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I think for some maybe this is not a message they want to hear but psychic powers and getting good at them isn't that different from lifting weights. You just have to exercise the psychic muscles and keep to the right mentality and you should succeed.

Very good post, useful tips. Thank you. :)

>>79585

Either you imply that

>astral projection is just imagination and visualization

or

>your imagination is so sharp that you actually leave your body and inhabit your thoughtforms

If it's the former then it's bullshit. If the latter then your visualization skills are godlike and it's not really that simple to get on this level.

Of course you can influence the astral via visualization but it's not projection. Even if your focus is shifted from your actual physical body, you still inhabit it at the moment.

Astral projection is just like lucid dream, but even more real and instead of playing around in small astral sandbox of your own making, you go "out there" in your astral body, taking away all your consciousness from physical. You don't have to imagine any distant place, you just go there and see. In other words, AP isn't a creative process.

>>79617

You use your imagination to condense thought-substance which is capable of registering and reflecting the distant scenes. Your awareness is slightly tied to your body (otherwise you die) but it otherwise outside your body.

LD and remote-viewing both happen on the mental planes you realize this right?

>>79618

So you are claiming that just using visualization you can get completely real (I mean as real as the physical) sensory experience?

You can get out of body, look around, see your physical body, see your room (without imagining it consciously - you just see it, it's there) and then go onto an astral journey?

>Your awareness is slightly tied to your body (otherwise you die) but it otherwise outside your body.

During full-blown AP you can't feel your physical body, because you are not "in it" at the moment, you can go back, end AP and feel it, but you don't have any awareness of the physical whatsoever during it.

>LD and remote-viewing both happen on the mental planes you realize this right?

If you want to convey some message maybe define what you mean by mental planes. We are talking about astral projection. Does mental = astral? Seriously, I don't use this terminology so I don't know.

>You use your imagination to condense thought-substance which is capable of registering and reflecting the distant scenes

I'm not arguing against this idea, that's basically remote viewing for you, but it's not projection until you leave your physical body.

>>79619

You don't understand man it's really simple there are physical planes, mental planes, and spiritual planes. All astral shit happens on mental plane. You are never NOT on any one of these planes, all the planes overlap and blend into each other, you can however focus more on one plane than another at a given time.

You can use the imaginal senses and see things more real than anything physical that's actually how I tell apart the physical and astral myself. I see something that looks more vivid, more real, more beautiful than anything I perceive through my physical eyes and I know it's astral.

You don't want to imagine stuff consciously you need to wait awhile and tune in like a radio and eventually you get a lot of noise and then the noise gives way to the scenes of what you actually want to see (through intention). You get random shit at first usually but you have to look past it until you get to what you need to be seeing. It's a fairly automatic process and I don't think about at all, in fact guessing stuff and having knowledge about what I'm trying to view is not so good, if I bring in the reasoning intellect it tends to fuck things up I have to have this clean state of mind where I am ready to receive the impressions as they are and not as I would imagine them to be. Now that's not to say the imagination isn't used to develop this power by like Dolores Ashcroft-Nowicki notes in her book about Magical Use of Thoughtforms there's a certain point where you tap into the astral matrix of some person or place and you get a feed of what is there. You use the imagination at first (in my case usually to create nothing more than an astral-light) which then starts automatically changing to show me things I'm not thinking about at all.

>During full-blown AP you can't feel your physical body, because you are not "in it" at the moment, you can go back, end AP and feel it, but you don't have any awareness of the physical whatsoever during it.

Yes true btw if you touch your physical body weird electro-gravitational stuff happens that you can feel and you tend to get sucked back in or to feel jolted it's odd.

The most extreme form of AP other than actual death is called the Plenary Trance and it takes about 2 and a half years of lots of work to develop it and a person in that state appears to be dead except their corpse doesn't rot.

>If you want to convey some message maybe define what you mean by mental planes. We are talking about astral projection. Does mental = astral? Seriously, I don't use this terminology so I don't know.

Mental is interchangeable with astral unless you use Franz Bardon's terms.

>I'm not arguing against this idea, that's basically remote viewing for you, but it's not projection until you leave your physical body.

Well you project a thoughtform (which breaks off from your aura although it's slightly linked aka muh silver cord) that you transfer your awareness into.

Okay man, look I feel like this is helpful advice, but if you're smiley then why haven't you used this knowledge to banish all the bullshit from your life?

Did not work. 2 solid years trying this kind of thing. I am sure there are lots of reasons you could give for why hypothetically this is. I can say through self-experience I have found this does not work and no progress has been made in that time towards this. I have reason to believe you and others are either profound liars or simply have abilities that are NOT learnable. I would appreciate if people such as yourself on the off-chance you are not lying, would please not act as if this can be done. This, cannot be performed by me. Do not act like this can be overcome or that this is some sort of choice. You have the ability to do it that other people inherently do not and cannot or you are lying.

Good stuff.

A quick note for those starting practice.

The imagination "muscle" is located around the upper back of your head region. It's all a game of relaxing the body enough to allow a smooth flow into this area(and focusing on it helps though the top of the head needs a good flow as well and can be focused on). Any tension of the body will stop you from projecting that limb or area into the mental form (a tense hand, abdomen region) and starts decaying the imagination.

>>79658

Have you tried supplements?

>>79658

Well that is a possibility. I've always been able to do this. Have you tried going through the steps in Initiation Into Hermetics? Where exactly do you get stuck btw in the process?

>>79674

If he's really desperate he could take massive doses of melatonin for 1 week straight while trying to practice Psychomancy. Like 10x the regular dose or even much, much higher. He should avoid getting in imageboards though or being around people who might give him negative suggestions. Massive overdoses of melatonin make any suggestion 100x times more potent.

>>79657

You know what montalk says about astral projection and sickness and so on? How people that AP lots are always sickly and so on?

Also how mediums get sick a lot doing their stuff, using up too much vital energy?

I think I'll have more success in banishing bullshit from my life when I get into Practice of Magical Evocation when my book arrives.

>>79705

Experiencing the distinct sensation of the Real Self or however one is supposed to perceive it.

BASED OP thanks for snapping me out of it. engaging god mode

>>79729

You can't even understand the basics.

You read like 3 books without giving them the proper practice.

And you expect to just "realize your Real Self"? That Realization is a process, not something you expect to happen after speed-reading one or two books and then engaging in "magick not real fuck you all you delusionals" attitude.

You expect others to be lying, intead of realizing you are your only problem. You think that because you are too weak to even progress on this path, too weak to bite your own tail, that we are the problem, not you.

Whenever there is an awareness of something, aka one thing becomes aware of another thing, whether it's the simple awareness of an atom or a human, those two things vibrate together and influence each other.

Spacetime is weird in the astral. A given thoughtform can be tied to and "located" in many places at once.

>>79716

Ok, but what about thoughtforms? Why not use those to fix everything?

>>79736

I feel as if you are not speaking from an enlightened place considering the level of apathy in your words.

>>79824

That is my plan. It's very dangerous though so I'm preparing in every way possible beforehand to make sure that:

1. I don't become dependent upon them in a way that I become enslaved/exploited/killed by them later.

2. I form them in the correct way out of the purest intentions.

3. I don't get drained of too much vital energy or other necessities by them.

4. I have various things in place to make sure everything goes well or that when accidents happen I have a way to counter them.

I use thoughtforms here and there but nothing too powerful or elaborate. My present goal is to just clean up the house a ton because I hate how cluttered rooms change the etheric environment. Btw, I have this golden-sonar-vision thing that lets me see spirits around whenever I want, but it's turned off most of the time so I can operate normally in the world without distractions. Still at any time pretty much I can send out these sonar waves and see spirits.

afk

>>79585

I've been doing that but results are pretty disappointing. I just moved to a new place a few months ago and I hardly know the town. So I took it for a test and tried to explore my surrounding area before I actually went there. It was nothing like what I saw in real life later on. Where do you discern between plain fantasy and actually going somewhere? That's the goal after all isn't it?

>>79585

Tried it, I just fell asleep.

>>79834

You think all of us are some kind of Dalai Lama?

>>79850

^^^^^^^^^^

>>79847

Thanks for your extensive explanation that's helpful. So how did you solve Schrödinger's AP dilemma?

Going by your view then OP's description would be unhelpful if I try to conjure up what it would be vs "sensing" it. Any ideas on how to improve this part?

Would you say what you describe is entirely different to OP and needs a special state/trance to begin with?

>>79835

>I use thoughtforms here and there but nothing too powerful or elaborate. My present goal is to just clean up the house a ton because I hate how cluttered rooms change the etheric environment. Btw, I have this golden-sonar-vision thing that lets me see spirits around whenever I want, but it's turned off most of the time so I can operate normally in the world without distractions.

I'm sorry, how the heck did you develop this?

>>79871

Heh, the stars… yes they are more clear than what is possible to see with the eyes.

>>79869

I'm not sure anymore I've had it for quite a long while I simply sent out these sonar-waves of mental-substance out and they register random entities in the area. I can do it anywhere and see entities lit up by it walking around the streets, in my home, or wherever else… and I also get a distinctly magnetic feel of where they are too and I can call them to me or go to them. It's really cool and I wish there was an anon on here who'd meet up with me so we could do various tests with it. Preferably an anon who understands the difficulties of magickal practice and isn't going to give up in frustration either if results don't come immediately.

>>79858

OP's technique is straightforward and works perfectly fine, the problem occurs after you've succesfully projected.

What >>79871 said is very important, you really need to be 'out there'

I very frequently, including just last night, get myself into this vibrating state where I feel a bunch of energy concentrated in my chest (sometimes head), like it wants to get out, but usually I just end up waking up/sitting up if I try to take the next step. For those that do astral project, does this state I get myself into sound like the beginning of it? And if so, how to work through it (do I just keep trying until it clicks?)

I've been trying to astral project every night for around two weeks now. I'm making progress and I can get back to the level where I left off almost instantly, but I would describe my experience so far as meditation with the intent of projecting. Here's some issues/experiences that I've been having. Hopefully some of you can relate.

The first thing I do is pay attention to visuals. These visuals are flashing static-like fractals that become much more intense during meditation, hypnagogia, and drug use; however, they are also weakly present outside these states in my everyday life. I lay down and close my eyes, distinguishing what is within my vision, and what is outside of my vision. Usually focusing on the two can allow me to manipulate where the barrier is.

There are two things that can happen. The most common thing that happens is that I can 'zoom in' to my visuals, and break through to another deeper layer of visuals. Another thing which (I think) feels more like AP is harder to describe. This less common experience involves my visual field to compress itself, and almost zoom out, yet always staying the same size. Visual space at this point is very strange. The visuals also begin to rapidly and brightly flash, my heart-rate begins to increase (arguably heart chakra), and each breath feels 'sliced up'.

This second stage takes a lot of focus, and I usually then transition back into the first stage after 5 minutes or so. The first time this happened, I got up after it stopped and I was physically shaking. So I feel like there is something promising to this.

Things that I always do regardless is pay attention to a faint ringing noise that I can adjust the volume and pitch of depending on how much attention I pay to it.

I also try to make my body feel heavier and more relaxed, and attempt to raise energy from my legs to my chest.

My last attempt of AP led me to a sensation of something being placed on my forehead/ third-eye. Not sure what to do with this really.

I'm aware that my visuals could be interpreted as HPPD, and my ringing could be tinnitus. Regardless of whether they are or aren't, they have always helped me with meditation.

Warning concerning astral projection and mediumship:

It uses up a lot of vital energy and weakens the connection between your soul and body and potentially your spirit and soul too.

There's got to be some methods that don't take such a huge toll on your health all the time. I'm not sure what would be best.

>>79927

Could you please explain 'soul', 'spirit' and 'body' to me.

I keep hearing them and I've read about them, but they do not make any sense.

The connection between the body and consciousness is as strong as one wants it to be.

>>79936

Soul

>A nonphysical energy field belonging to living beings, comprised of etheric and astral components. It allows Spirit to interface with the physical body.

>The soul can exist apart from the physical body, and even apart from Spirit. Just by itself, the soul is equivalent to a thoughtform.

Spirit

>The core of individualized consciousness within oneself, which survives death and rebirth and can continue growing in its complexity and intensity through numerous physical forms. It is the godspark that eventually achieves congruency and unity with God. Spirit is most developed in the Higher Self, and the two are essentially synonymous. Spirit is also the true source of freewill, empathy, and wisdom.

>>79936

montalk.net

>>79936

Check out Montalk's glossary it has all the terms there.

https://8ch.net/fringe/faq.html

>>79968

https://8ch.net/fringe/library.html

Correct link.

>>80034

You did not tune things correctly to see the physical plane from the astral.

>>80036

Not sure what you mean. How do I tune things correctly? Just will it to be so?

It's worth noting that I did not write what was on the board in either plane.

>>80036

From what he says the room looked the same, so he obviously was "tuned" pretty well.

The more I learn about AP the more it feels like lucid dreaming with a hint of self delusion.

>>80042

I AP'd into the room of my friend whose house I never physically visited and my account was fairly accurate though somewhat distorted. For example what I called a table was just a cardboard box that he used as a table and I wasn't able to accurately describe the small objects in his room. I also goofed and swapped the placements of his window and bookshelf.

Another thing I had trouble with is when I threw a pen over my head and AP'd to see what position it lay in, it would often appear turned 90 degrees to its true position.

Granted that was years ago and I've improved my astral sight since then but things like that are possibly why the Stargate project was officially scrapped, it would take years for someone to train themselves to accurately remote view locations.

>>79585

>If you want to astral project then imagine yourself outside of your body.

And what if I want genius level intellect?

>>80043

I'm just a bit pissy because I've yet to be able to do this and am impatient.

I have however Lucid Dreamt (this feels grammatically terrible) being in my house.

Walked around a bit, went towards my front door at which time I felt like a sense of impending terror and for some reason started to get worried a bear would enter if I opened the door and I decided that would make my dream a nightmare. So I woke myself up.

It really does make sense some things would be different because I imagine Lucid dreams and AP are closely related.

Maybe if you have a lucid dream within a lucid dream, that's when you AP

>>80045

make a thoughtform for it?

>>79585

>Then you need to imagine that. Do this through the intention to be out of your body and viewing something within a given time and place. If your intention is to prove astral projection doesn't real or if you are plagued by doubts and negative emotions which make you feel it can't be done, you need to get over that.

Isn't there more to that? Like impressing on to the subconscious, and removing expectation completely after you do it?

That may be true, but how do you get that real enough to be engaging? That is the problem, I can do this but, I would rather watch porn.

>>79786

Aren't naked ladies a beauty of this world?

>>80110

i've never seen one

>>80121

Well, not in person, obviously.

AP'ing from sleep is a bad idea, its much harder to do than AP'ing while awake and you will fade into uncsonsciousness between dreams. typically lucid dreams last only between 4 and 15 minutes. Furthermore you will train yourself to fall asleep more than you will to AP because the associations for sleep are going to be immensely stronger than the budding associations needed to AP.

>>80109

imaginal exercises will gradually increase your ability to imagine complex things, inducing trance works also.

>>79968

>montaulk

even more armchair than smiley, the guy binges on death metal and wonders why he has paranoid panic attacks (which he blames on aliens, of course.)

>>80149

lol, I listen to extreme metal all day, every day of my life, stop being retarded

>>80151

and here we are.

>>80156

well, it definetly contributed a lot to me finding this site and got me practicing

can you get stuck in AP (unable to exit)?

would that be bad if you got caught in an average nightmare and where physically mutilated?

or would you just be able to control the spooks?

>>80171

>can you get stuck in AP (unable to exit)?

Yeah - by dying. That can happen to you at any time though. You're more likely to get exhausted of vital energy and lose your connection way before dying purely from APing btw. To be able to maintain a connection so strong that every aspect of your vitality is devoted to it to the very last, such that you die from it, is highly improbable especially if you're new to this.

>would that be bad if you got caught in an average nightmare and where physically mutilated?

Good thing there is no end to death and rebirth then. Sometimes you just have to die several times quick until you break resonance with le nightmare scenario(s).

>or would you just be able to control the spooks?

Not necessarily.

>>79851

It may be conditioning from a past existence. Depressed consciousness is a sign of conditioning as are emotions. That's the framework I'm using anyway. Feelings, thoughts, and reactions may be implanted from malicious sources.

I happened to have my first partially lucid dream recently. I wasn't fully functional. I was like a confused kid, but I remembered some things I've read on the fringes.

I was exploring what looked like abandoned refineries and massive cylinders lying on their sides, maybe rocket ships, when I was spontaneously aware. The sky was a dazzling blue, the grassy hills emerald green, my hands were like misshapen wax. I flew around for a few seconds. I recalled that there were supposedly scouts in dreams, so I looked and saw what looked like a witch on a broom flying around. I was immediately upon it. Grabbing hold, it was no witch at all. It was a flat black shape, about 5 inches wide, that only looked like a witch in silhouette.

I was suddenly unaware once more and in another dream. I had a suppressed pistol. I walked from a sub-basement up into a large mall populated by docile zombies. There were people there that told me I needn't worry about being bitten and turning unless one took a liking to me. Of course, a female zombie turned from the crowd and almost killed me there. She then spent the rest of the night chasing me around the clothing racks while the people just watched. I can't recall what became of the pistol.

>>80200

Emotions are just given you in the form of akasha by god and then it goes through your programming to arise in whatever forms you give it.

how can i make myself aware that i'm barely aware and drifting in and out of sleep states

Ah OP explained it so well

>>83117

mantras like "mind awake body asleep"

how do i steal someones body and life while projecting?

>>90628

u need 2 succ they're father's dick and fucc there mother

What is the difference between the physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual planes?

Does "casual plane' mean anything?

>>90686

Do you mean causal and not casual?

Am I astral projecting right now?

>>107985

AP on weed isnt doable mitt mett.

>>107987

Only half-true. If you smoke weed you unleash a boost on your creativity which could certainly help you A LOT with visualizing yourself into an astral projection. BUT the problem is you just can't focus on it properly, the thoughts wander too much. However, if you mix it with drugs that help you concentrate it can actually be a powerful tool. Unless of course the person who tries this is an weak idiot who easily becomes addicted to drugs. Then again, I guess in this case it would more be being addicted to astral projection than the drug that enables it. And since that shit can be insanely fun it can also be insanely addictive.

>>108108

>>107985

Spliffs

30% weed

70% tobacco

Tobacco confirmed astral medicine. It allows more focus and mental activity to balance the free wheeling/relaxing nature of the weed.

If you want to avoid smoking (I feel the plant saturating the air you breathe to be important)

Take small bud, grind and put in a teacup with some tea or other herbs and a dab of coconut oil. If yr stomach is brave add a pinch of fresh tobacco.

Drink, wait 1 hour, AP time.

>>107985

Find a sense of identity that exists beyond the physical body. Otherwise you'll just sort of reach out from inside rather than leave the inside. Maybe physically go outside more.

this looks like the right thread,

I'm having trouble with the clarity of my astral projection, I can move myself from place to place and navigate pretty effectively, but everything I see is super muddled, and whenever I do little self-tests to try and confirm my sightings, what I see is so faint that I only get a faint idea of what im seeing, that feeling is generally accurate so I am projecting, but its so light that I second guess myself a lot and find out I was right to begin with (these are small things like, the orientation of a chair or the people in a room over)

I've done things like meditating on my 3rd eye and exposing myself to crystals relevant to it, but all I get is a hard pressure sensation, but no substantial improvement.

I'm trying to meditate more, but beyond that, maybe it's a technical error in my approach? like the astral equivalent of trying to sprint while holding my breath?

I'm not sure, but If you have any suggestions, I'm game, I'll try anything.

>>108207

>Tobacco confirmed astral medicine. It allows more focus and mental activity

You have either never smoked or still do to this day and need to rationalize why you are a weak ass addict.

Tobacco abstinence causes lack of focus and mental fog, which it solves only in the measure it causes it. It causes a problem and then "solves" it, leaving you in the same state you would be if you weren't a filthy junkie, except now you have literal poison running through your veins. The perfect (((drug))). Ying as fuck as well.

kys

Oh, wait, you are already doing so. Hahaha, well done my friend.

>>107985

AP on weed is more difficult than without. It loosens the etheric body, but that alone all it does is make it harder for you to focus. Literal drug addicted faggots like >>108207 think that because their addiction impedes clear thinking, the drug they're addicted to actually helps them focus. Pathetic.

Anyway, weed is useful for free association of ideas and loosened creativity, but not AP. One drug that could help is caffeine. If you go to sleep on a caffeine pill you will have more vivid dreams and easier lucidity. It basically helps attain mind awake body asleep, if your body isn't too sensitive to caffeine.

>>109202

While out of body, proclaim to yourself "MORE CLARITY" and make it so.

>>79585

First time seriously attempting Astral Projection and I'm surprised with how it went. I didn't do it by a sliver, the vibrations were very intense and I felt my head spinning. I lost hearing for a second. The more I focused on leaving the physical body the more intense it got, it was even difficult to breath. Alas, a moment of distraction destroyed my focus.

Next time it'll be better, hopefully what I'm doing is actual AP and I haven't stumbled across something dangerous by accident. That'd be hilarious though. I've never heard anyone reporting what I felt.

>>109212

Finally someone tells those addict weaklings how it is. Good post.

So what does it mean when you have an out of body experience in the physical plane? Asking for my self.

Ey guys I just almost managed my first exit…again. But my heart was beating so heavy and fast i was fearful I get a heart attack so it distracted me too much I guess. It just stopped and nothing happened further.

Well, in his book "astral dynamics" Robert Bruce writes that there is no need to worry and only your heart center goes apeshit, not your actual physical heart. But I noticed for me that was not true, it was really my physical heart that got in hyper mode. Can anyone explain? Can I trust the book, or can this actually hurt me? Because I did not expect to get a heart beating from hell.

>>113936

I'd say you either hyperventilated yourself or on the contrary forgot to breathe. In my case once the whole body was convulsing as if in seizure. Just don't pay attention to physical effects, you won't die that easily - too many safeguards in the body for that to happen.

And anyway if you are so afraid for yourself why are you even doing this to begin with? To brag to your colleagues in the office?

>>113938

>I'd say you either hyperventilated yourself or on the contrary forgot to breathe

I'm not sure any of that was the case but I surely will pay more attention next time. Thanks. I already tried my best to ignore the physical effects no matter what and concentrate but it still just stopped.

>>113938

what technique do you use btw?

when I imagine myself outside the body…nothing happens. when I imagine climbing a rope…nothing happens. when I lie down without movement and relax for 2 hours…nothing happens.

only very rarely it feels like I am going into sleep paralysis or finally out of body but then it stops as fast as it came again and nothing happens. this shit is definetly way harder than faggot op makes it out to be

Remember lads: Bilocation (what OP is talking about) and Astral Projection are two different things, though somewhat similar. We have to keep our terminology straight. Most disagreements amongst esoterics are only caused because two parties use different terminology, yet talk about the same thing.

If you project your imagination into the astral realm and thus you technically are aware at two places at the same time that's what's called "bilocation". While it is far easier than astral projection and no doubt a powerful tool for magic, it is still limited by the fact that the imagination is a great tool for sending projections (as that is its job) but unpolished when it comes to recieving info by itself. Compared to a real astral projection, your bi-located astral body is kind of blind. Of course you can train this, but you need some sort of way to measure if what you're seeing is external or internal. This is why training this stuff with a friend is very helpful.

Astral Projection, on the other hand, moves your entire conciousness into the astral realm. It's as if you die, only that your soul is connected to your body through some sort of "rope". More like Umbrial Cord but with a lot more range. In this state you can also see properly and, most importantly, you have a LOT more control since the projection is no longer a product of your imagination.

Also, a bilocation is the projection of a thoughtform into the astral realm. To those that believe that ego and soul are two seperate things, what you project there is definetly a product of ego, since it's a product of thought. There is literally nothing wrong with that, but I think it's still worth a mention.

For casting magic, the most important difference is the energy investments here. Since bilocation uses a thoughtform it will only be as strong as the amount of energy you put in. The limiting factor here is not how much energy you got (a soul with a body is quite the fusion reactor) but how quick you can send it. This means: The longer the distance, the weaker the bilocational body. On the other hand, the astral projection is an all-in investment and if anything happens to you out there you will feel like shit for days since you lost all your energy. This happens more often than you'd think. But an astral body is, of course, far stronger.

The thing is, actual astral projection is hard. My recommened technique: Download an Binaural Beat for Astral Projection, put it on some device, set an alarm for the middle of your sleep cycle, while in half-sleep from just waking up go listen to the track and fall asleep with it. Then you will "wake up" again as you dream, you'll get out of your bed thinking it hasn't worked, but you're actually astral projecting and if you turn around you'll see your body there. Don't flip your shit too much as excitement likes to pull you back into the body. I make it sound a lot easier than it is here, but this is basically the method I use. Your biggest problem will be that you're a little bit retarded as your dream-self. I call it dream-dementia and its what causes you to not notice that you're dreaming even though the weirdest fucking shit happens in dreams.

As for bilocation, literally just use your imagination to imagine yourself somewhere else. Then keep a very open mind for what you see out there, don't let the expectations of your imagination ruin it. This is key. I recommend listening to some music that fits the intention of your trip out there while you do it. Drugs can help opening your mind, though back in the day when I used to do bilocate daily I almost always did it sober and it worked.

Seriously though, doubt combined with an out-of-control imagination is your biggest enemy in bilocation. Or, I guess, in all of magic. The greatest weapon against doubt is proof though so do this stuff together with a friend. If you project to the same place and then see the same things, knowing info you couldn't possibly know unless you both saw it there, that's proof and truth is the best ally you could ever wish for, always.

Stay save out there lads.

I get the impression that this "astral projection" thing is merely your imagination or a lucid dream at best.

>>80171

>can you get stuck in AP (unable to exit)?

I had an experience 2 years ago, where I astral projected accidentally and I had no energy left, so I just crawled desperately back to my house, but blacked out when I was 2 blocks away. That's when I woke up in a small room with no windows, and someone that I had a distorted image of (His traits changed). He asked me to tell him my name, I was barely able to whisper it and I woke up in my bed more thankful than ever.

A more recent incident is when I woke up in the room where I stayed when I lived with my parents and I looked in the mirror and I felt crippling fear and I realized I was trapped. An inferior entity showed me the way out.

So yeah, you can get trapped, so you better know what you're doing. My theory though, is that dying will also get you trapped in the astral and unable to navigate, if you waste your life on mundane shit. It is extremely important that, while alive, we learn to astral project yourself or at least we try to make sure that a higher entity will consider us worthy of being guided elsewhere. Otherwise, we will get trapped in a dream, which may or may not interfere with the physical plane.

>>114089

It's a phenomenom that happens all the time in hospitals to people who get operated. Google it. Astral Projection is definetly real. Bilocation often becomes LARPing but if done right it can be real. Since you can always go and explore places you have not been to astrally and then go there physically you can always confirm it even if you're by yourself, though its definetly a lot harder with bilocation. Note that not all things that exist within the astral exist within the physical, but everything physical exists / can be seen in the astral.

>>114095

I suppose i don't know shit until i know shit. Might as well try it.

One concern i have is if there are any physical or mental dangers doing this. Is there?

>>114097

Short story: You'll probably be fine. Anything bad happening out there is really, really rare.

Long Story:

While you are not alone in the astral realm and thus, other entites can theoretically be as much of a danger as they can be in physical reality, the biggest danger is underestimating yourself. A body is an energy reactor for a soul, so a soul that is astral projecting and thus connected to its body is far stronger than anything without a body. So IF you happen to meet some hostile entity out there chances are you are actually far stronger. Most demonic entities feed off of fear or negative emotions in general. Plus chances are if you meet an evil spirit out there it is a projection of your subconcious (again: super rare). If you end up meeting another APing human chances are it's a peaceful hippie, almost noone goes out there with the intention to just attack strangers, no matter if they have a body or not. I could nerd out about this topic some more but it'd just make you worry about something that'll probably never happen to you. It's like being afraid of ending up in a plane crash - except even IF something happens its far less dangerous. TL;DR Don't worry about it. ESPECIALLY if you're just bilocating and not actually astral projecting.

>>114100

Ok, sounds good then. Thank you anon.

Oh and is there any chance of getting sleep paralysis? And it becoming more common?

>Plus chances are if you meet an evil spirit out there it is a projection of your subconcious (again: super rare).

See this is the thing that gives me the idea that it is likely all just lucid dreaming and nothing real about it.

>>114101

Sleep paralysis is actually something that you almost always experience before you AP - and if you don't, then you just didn't try to move. Possibly because you were dreaming before.

Your ego consists of many thoughtforms. Those thoughtforms can be projected into the astral realm (which is technically what's happening when you are bilocating, too). If you meet someone out there who is hostile towards you chances are he knows you. And since you don't live in the astral realm if anything out there knows you chances are it's a part of you. Evil spirits that hunt for souls to consume or some shit like that are far more rare than that stuff happening - just like in "real" life, most demons you'll face were actually your own creation.

It's simple to test if you're lucid dreaming or astral projecting: If you're lucid dreaming you're god, since you're within your own mind. In the astral realm there are limitations, though you can still do some stuff that might feel god-like at first (like flying and projecting your spiritual energy). If you're actually lucid within the experience it's easy to tell. Becoming fully lucid is the hard part here, "dream-dementia" as I call it is quite the bitch. So if you enter the astral realm from a non-lucid dream-state then it IS actually kind of hard to tell the difference, because you probably won't even be lucid enough to realize it's going on in the first place. Thinking that the astral realm is a dream is actually a far more common problem than thinking that your dream is astral projection.

>>79658

the one that doesn't believe won't ever get it.

>>80045

use your Sovereign Power to make it so. Affirm to yourself "I have genius level intelligence." "I am a genius." repeatedly and many times.

Also use this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CjNTmhez0U every day.

>>114090

you are Sovereign. you are that Higher Entity. realize your CREATOR power.

>>114063

question: does this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qChit2RQeWI video work?

>>90628

behaving sts and parasitically… doesn't go well at all.

>>81297

you generate emotions from your own soul and spirit that has emanated from the Infinite Source.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvyPscRD1ss universe cleaner and subconscious too, 1 time each day for 5 days and then rest for 2, do not overdo, drink a lot of water

>>80149

montalk's info is good but mixed in with some false light fake religion propaganda, take what resonates only.

>>114146

If you want to know if it works well just read the comments. You'll never get a 100% "IT WORKED" rate but it'll give you a feeling for the quality.

For example, take a look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9efLTm1sWAU

Read that description. What the fuck, right? This is begging to be trolled. Yet there are a LOT of comments saying this works.

Meanwhile your videos uploader seems a lot more professional yet there aren't a lot of positive reports in the comments.

Plus I get slightly dizzy just from listening to that track I posted even when I'm not meditating at all or anything, which is also a sign for it doing its job.

The one you linked might still work for you though, I don't know, just thought it'd probably help you if I shared how I try to identify beats like that which actually work.

Gonna download the one I linked here and try it tonight, will report.

>>114146

Oh also, right now I just assumed that you meant if this works for astral projection. In case you're looking for something to aid with bilocation instead of looking for binaural beats you might wanna look for somewhat emotional music that fits the intent of your bilocation in order to aid your imagination. Though binaural beats may very well still help with this too, it's just that I didn't really test that a whole lot.

>>114153

>>114152

thank you!

>>114152

There's a new 5 hour version with additional tones.

>>114153

Works. Just had the shortest yet easiest AP ever. When I get up in the morning I set 3 alarms in 10 minute intervals and only really have to get up at the third. I had a weird, obviously very short dream in the second attempt. Like, somehow the whole dream just happened in 3 minutes? What the fuck? Anyway I dreamed I was hanging out with friends at my dads place. Then suddenly, everyone is gone and the whole place is black and white. Somehow even my retarded dream-self was spooked enough to question reality there. So it did a reality check - I was pressing my nose between my fingers and tried breathing out of it. I could, so I knew it was a dream. Then I "woke up" in my bed right away, but my alarm didn't ring yet, feeling strangely heavy. Out of experience I know if I tried to get up the normal way during a possible astral projection I'd re-enter sleep paralysis as soon as I tried to move my legs, (my lower astral body is somehow way more rooted to my physical one?), but moving my arms works fine (I lost way too many solid AP attempts to figure that out about me, btw) so I grabbed the little desk next to my bed and pulled me out, sorta rolling myself out of my body landing on the ground. I did the same reality check to double check, yup still worked, was like "fuck yes" but thought I had at best 5 minutes until I had to wake up for work so I allowed my body to pull me back in. Which, I guess, was pretty retarded, I probably could have done SOME research in that time? Anyway point is that track works much better than the last one I was using.

Also, through the night I had pretty awesome dreams. Not lucid dreams but they were all pretty nice.

I'm actually surprised the track of that uploader (https://www.youtube.com/user/ThetaRealms/videos) works so well, looking at his channel really looks like he's just clickbaiting hippies for the views but shit, it works. At least that track did.

>>114170

Oh, my friend! (being that We Are All One). I have something new to give you: a subliminal for astral projection by a known very trusted author, the DrVirtual7 (he even made subconscious purgers and universe cleaners, multi-dimensional cleansers, a.i disablers and hypnotic code breakers, etc)

This also comes with safety affirmations (you shall not have APs when you don't desire them, etc)

this is the video, repeat it 2 times so you get entrained to the frequencies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCnAyhif3qY

>>114234

Gonna try that before I go to bed, thanks. Couldn't reproduce the projection last night, gonna try a different approach, will report if I'm successfull.

>>114237

what were the results?

>>114347

Couldn't reproduce it yet, maybe I just got lucky that time. Tried a track with 5 mil views, didn't do anything. The 4-minute-thingie also didn't help, sadly. I'm still searching for that holy grail, that one trick that works every time.

I'm fairly sure that it's more effective if you don't go to bed with a binaural beat in your ear but instead put it on in the middle of the night. I think the brain gets used to it during sleep. What's interesting though is that I've become better at remembering my dreams lately. But that doesn't help much.

>>114237

>>114359

Friend in the One, could you try this Mantra? It's the FARAON mantra. I checked this particular iteration in Audacity and it has a 12kHz base frequency, a high one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_dzTijrdBM

Thank you!

>>79927

Can I recover from it? Like doing physical exercises and stuff?

>>79927

>It uses up a lot of vital energy and weakens the connection between your soul and body and potentially your spirit and soul too.

I've had the weakening of vital energy when I AP'd but idk about the connection weakening part, didn't have anything like that happen to me and I don't even see how it even would. I can understand that with mediumship, but not with AP. If others felt what he felt too then let me know, but I'm p sure he's a one off case.

cool. this is basically starwars. "reach out with your feelings"

OP I have some serious questions for you

at the risk of half of everyone loving me, and half of everyone hating me, I'm going to bring this up because it's actually relevant- however irrelevant it may seem at first.

Flat. Earth.

Ouch? No ouch. just listen, and try to understand. some people who I've spoken to who astral project claim to float above and see the world as it is described in the typical science books, and some claim to float above and see the flat earth. others claim to float above and see themselves wrapped inside a hollow earth.

which is true? are they all wrong? are they all true because the matrix has multiple perspectives?

I'm going to post some of my favorite flat earth ideas and speculations and "proofs" that shake the foundations of my beliefs harder than most other ideas related to the subject tend to.

PLEASE don't take this as an attempted derail of the thread, as I'm only posting this since it's relevant to my question in this thread. feel free to read it and "ooh and aah" and then just continue on as nothing happened, I'm just trying to show one perspective of many, and why I think that there are strange and unexplained contradictions among the many different astral projection accounts and experiences

Thanks for understanding, I know you will.

flat earth posts coming right after this one.

>>119733

Okay, so to sum this all up, why is it that sometimes people see this

>>119734

>>119735

>>119736

>>119737

>>119738

>>119739

>>119740

>>119741

when they astral project, but sometimes they see earth the way that the science textbooks do?

do you get what I'm saying? isn't it odd that not everyone sees the same thing?

my point, or at least one of my attempted points is that with so many different people seeing so many different things when they astral project, how can we know that we are not simply just doing a really good job at exercising our imaginations, and not actually doing "actual astral projecting"? please understand I'm not coming at this from a skeptical angle. I'm just asking a question I feel I need to ask.

>>79619

another good question, if you're really leaving your body, how do you know someone else isn't going to walk away with it? or is that just paranoid bullshit, since it's yours and it's like locked and can't be taken or something?

>>79960

that sounds like a load of garbage to me. that's just chopping up the soul and calling the different pieces different names and just overcomplicating the entire thing.

here's the only true things going on:

>god

>real you (your soul)

>your body (the car your soul is driving)

that's it. everything else is bullshit.

Why does this fucking idiot spam in every thread?

So you're telling me when I schizo out and basically play long winded stories, or conversations, or even what feels like "movies that I'm a part of" when I sit without too much outside interference that's Astral Projection?

I have apparently been doing this for years upon years then.

>>119748

What about the people who don't have souls?

>>119760

Only bullshit occultists can equate that sort of thing with an actual astral projection.

>>119762

Then they are not "people". Wtf

>>119754

It well reflects the sad state of this board.

>>119762

ever play video games? probably just drones. npc's.

>>119769

do you know who they are talking about?

>>79585

I have witnessed first hand the possibilities of raw belief applied in action. Yet, I will do as you say because it's something I should have realized in the first place. I have an active third eye every day now and I have been trying to "catch visions and dreams" in order to go lucid. Leaves me restless honestly. But also witnessing first hand thought forms brought on from religious books, delving into religious persons, and straight hypnotism, this actually makes simple sense to me and I wonder why I didn't think of it more simplistically when all my random experiences occurred because of simplistic beliefs and meditative practices. With drug use and without it. Practicing abstinence in its purest form and then going full hedonistic.

>>79603

Agreed.

>>79921

My third eye has a sensation that is almost always felt except outside of eating foods, doing something with too much emotional investment, and working at my physical peak. I got this from concentration meditation while trying to be as still as possible and focusing my awareness in this area. I have lucid dreamed before and even done with intent in high school a couple of times. I think I'm gonna keep at these things because even though they leave me energetically inferior, I find the experiences very pleasant. It's what keeps my faith held in God in place honestly. The proof I have been asking for was here all along. Still haven't achieved oneness I think, but personal experience hasn't made me lost faith in that there is something more to life than what we're being told.

>>119733

Everything is true up to a point. There are different perspectives indeed, but what is the truth that they are pointing to is the question I would ask. I don't because I simply don't care, but if I did care, at some point, one must take serious consideration for their opposition in order to understand where they are coming from. Moral of the story is that humans, the majority understand that something is wrong with home. They are looking for answers because they already know the truth and are refusing to accept the true answer. There is an objective reality and an objective non-reality. Basically, I believe there is a lie going on mixed in with truths. What is I cannot say because I haven't witnessed it first hand. But all these things show that the human heart isn't dead. It's just been enslaved. We do have the man power to create Heaven on Earth and the intellects to formulate it, but people are too busy being singular and complete, on their own islands. Never was there such a thing and still is not, but the establishment is what brought such individualistic extremes into fruition with their ways. Thus they substitute something they had all along for things, ideals, beliefs, and causes all to get a sense of life because they have all but ruined themselves from fear of the consequence of doing righteousness and saying NO to corruption. God is real. That's all that needs to be said. Anything else is semantics. Where are the majority of people's heads at truly? In the semantics.

I'm what you can call a mundane, what should I read first to grasp that subject?

I read the CIA's Gateway Project, should I use the tapes created by the Monroe Institute?

>>120393

incidentally something that may interest you was just posted on mewch

>>120395

mind sending me a link? im looking around for it

I can't imagine or visualize for shit. When I tried to imagine myself out of my body I couldn't accurately simulate my senses outside of my body and for most of it I was visualizing myself in 3rd person from my body. Is there any good tips on imagination practice other than "keep trying to visualize stuff"?

>>121143

Just keep trying. There is no other way. But you will get better over time, I assure you. It can't be any other way. Your visualization and concentration faculties are like muscles and you must train them regularly to grow them. But don't do too much too often since it's not easy work and it can drain you pretty fast. Just like working out at the gym, start easy and work your way up.

Also don't visualize yourself in 3rd person. Visualize from first person only as if you are actually there. Ultimately it must be as real as possible, with as much details and senses involved as possible, and you must "be" there, alas see through your eyes in the ego perspective.

>>79672

This is the most useful and reassuring advice I've seen yet. I wasn't sure if what I was doing was actually helping or if it was placebo.

>>80034

Writing is tricky, it's susceptible to distortion from your subconscious. Try something simpler next time.

Can someone provide input? Having some experiences lately and would like some feedback.

i have been practicing AP/RV for a few years with very little success ( it has happened, just not when I try the hardest )

Mega quick backstory:

> sexual trauma as a child / multiple sources [7-17]

> religious cognitive dissonance as a child [ 5-20+]

> teenage nightmares led to self-imposed sleep deprivation & hermit-ism, anxiety [ 15-27 ]

> "i don't belong here" but not willing/wanting to kill self [ 13 - 33 ]

> adult night terrors / sleep paralysis led to smoking weed [ weed @ 27 ]

> no more nightmares/terrors/sleep paralysis OR DREAMS [ current day @ 35 ]

Current day, I can't remember a dream 99 times out of 100.

and that 1 is usually pointless.

However, last few months, I am not depriving myself of sleep, I am daily weed smoker. dream states are hard to recall, however, the last few weeks I have been waking with the impression or vague recollection of being in a meeting / gathered with a group of people.

no emotions stir, as with previous night terrors etc ( they would set me weird for days some times )

I also feel physically tired / like I didn't get much rest, even though I slept undisturbed for 8+ hours.

Anyone else experiencing this lately?

>>122141

oh my goodness, how could I forget the most pestersome ingredient in my life of misery

>MIGRAINES

< started ~ 15, wasn't until Yoga about age 30-31 that I got a grip on them.

>>119734

>>119735

>ask yourself why you can feel the ground moving under your feet while you are inside of a massive cruise ship gently rocking in the ocean but you can't feel how the earth moves when spinning around at a zillion miles an hour

<ask yourself why turning a ball in your hand for 24 hours just to accomplish a single revolution is slow as fuck

>that's why astronauts train underwater

<where else are you suppose to train when you're trying to simulate free-floating?

>ask yourself why it's called a space ship.

>space

>ship

>ask yourself why it's called an astro-naut.

>nautical miles. ocean.

<Why do people use sports analogies? Because bballers rule the world. Charles Barkley Shut Up and Jam Gaiden is based on true events.

>ask yourself where amelia earhart went when she disappeared trying to fly "around" the world

<she crashed

>ask yourself why peter pan and the pirates ride flying pirate ships in space to the giant floating island of neverland

<it's disney

>ask yourself why her name is sailor moon

<it's anime

>ask yourself why the bible metions the waters above and below

<it's the bible

>ask yourself why the bible mentions the firmament

<bible

>look up the antarctic treaty

<tactically advantageous position with equal reach to any part of the equator. Powerful position.

>what a coincidence that you can only ever see one side of the moon because its dark side is always facing away from us.

>what a coincidence that the moon just happens to fit over the sun during an eclipse even though it is said that they are massively different in size and distance from us. what are the chances that they are just the right sizes and distances from each other AND US, to appear exactly the same size in our sky?

<Likely the reason that life on Earth exists at all. It's not the dark side either. Also, your last sentence was redundant.

>why it is called a hemi-sphere

>half of a sphere = dome

<Yes that's how words work. It's half of a sphere so we call it half of a sphere. Half a sphere =/= a dome, unless it's hollow.

>think about why the ocean looks blue when the sun shines through it. think about how the sky is also blue, and how very ancient antarctic ice is also a strange blue color. makes sense? and troll science bro's with big fancy pieces of paper from the establishment claim "its rayleigh scattering, and the sky isn't actually blue it just looks blue but it isn't because it's just reyliegh scattering just trust us"

<https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/blue-sky/en/ yeah seems like it. blue is shortwave, like how shortwave radio doesn't go through buildings but longwave does.

>every single image of earth from space release by nasa has always been a composite image. they will never release a true non-edited picture of earth from space.

<often but not all the time. why is it that 7 different cameras creates 7 different pictures? One looks more red, the other more blue, and still another seems to change the very proportions of people! It's a fucking camera.

>if there are as many infinite stars and galaxies as they say there are, the entire sky wouldn't have any visible individual stars because in terms of pixels on a tv screen the stars in the sky would take up every pixel of space that there is in the sky. the entire sky would always glow white and there wouldn't be a place in the sky to look at that was empty. at any distance you would eventually run in to another star so no matter how far away from the perspective of earth there wouldn't be any black sky at night.

<You underestimate the magnitude of space that exists between everything. If the sun were the size of a soccer ball, pluto would be in another city… or was it state?

I'm done at this point but these people are fucking retarded. Go outside and play a sport or something.

>>122180

Reading that autistic post gave me hyper autism. Is this what is has come to? Modern people can't even write a proper post anymore? This looks like some retarded lunatic spilled his mental diarrhea all over the place.

>>122180

You are a hypokinetic nigger braincel faggot cock vacuum with no two rocks to start a spark with and compensate for your small penis and low test with special snowflake wizard larp.

kys

A huge list of bullshit requires a reply with brevity. I hit it point by point. Your misplaced grievances on the state of affairs is a red herring and misdirection from the actual issue of wizard larp mental illness.

hol up

people in this thread be sayin the ocean be blue an shit

nigga pls i live fiftty feet from the ocean shit looks green as fuck to me

ya'll niggas never even seen the ocean?

i mean maybe the carribean is blue water but shit, ocean is usually green from algae an shiet

and ya'll niggas sayin the earth is flat just smh how the fuck that even work if i've been on planes around the world when you go in one direction you end up in the same place

don't know if ya'll niggas be retards or mentally ill but get help for real smdfh fams

>>79672

Is this why I feel like I have air coming out of the top of my head?

>>123532

No, that's cuz you're a airhead :^)

>>123558

good one!

Is it energy though? I always have a pressure in the middle of my forehead that sometimes throbs. After meditating and concentrating on a flashing light it then begins to throb and the pressure builds up. I can then imagine energy coming out of the top of my head and then I start to feel that. It's amazing and it has changed my life now I just need help cultivating.

>>123604

What do you think?

Venezuela's who don't even know I exist are dying! We need to not help them! Hurry up guys! We need to hurry up and not help these people who never aknowledged anyone else's pain, because they are now in pain, and therefore there is no reason to help them. Just enjoy the show.

>>107985

I'm right there with you anon

What's the best way for attaining a sort of dream-based state of consciousness where I can explore sensation to my five senses?

I feel like hearing and seeing is very mainstay, but smell/taste/touch is difficult to say the very least. Almost as if I have to focus more just to feel a breeze.

>>125746

Practice, practice, practice.

You want to develop perception, but in order to train the senses you have to practice "visualization" first. I put that word between quotation marks because I mean it in the broad multi-sensory sense.

>>108108

This is going to sound very degenerate and sort of off topic from AP itself as it were. But as to your idea of mixing two drugs to enhance effects, have you ever mixed the dissociative DXM with weed?

It's an incredible combination from what I can remember from nearly a decade ago. The weed helps your mind's creative impulses as you said while the dissociative DXM kind of focuses your thoughts into the rabbit hole. Give it a try seriously if you want your mind to travel. Both the substances seem to synergistically enhance each other. The only issue is going out to buy cough syrup to "get high." Just make sure to get the pure stuff with only ONE ingredient.

>>79585

>imagine it, it's just that simple!

Any autist can close their eyes, imagine their being encapsulated in a thought form, and imagine it moving outside their body. It's called pretending, using your imagination.

>>126091

Sorry to be so cynical, I dont mean to discredit the idea of AP, I've had an "out of body" experience before, but it has to be more complex than that.

>>126091

>>126092

It's more than just playing pretend, but that really is how you start it, at least for me. You can tell that it isn't just a dream when you start examining yourself.

>>126104

That's it. Even a lot of sources and books (from the library) tell you that you start out practicing by imagination. Eventually once you get good at going into trance and you get good control of your mind and toughts, you will break the barrier and your consciousness will shift out of your body into a real Astral Projection.

Don't let the idea of "just pretending" stop you from doing the work.

>>126107

So, it goes as follows.

Imagining->meditating->entering a trance->becoming aware of the trance

I get everything up to that point, but I guess I just haven't managed to quantify consciousness entirely, because you speak of breaking through a consciousness barrier. What part of me exactly is leaving my body?

>>126114

>What part of me exactly is leaving my body?

None. You just become aware from another point in existence, outside of your body. Nothing really leaves your body. You merely shift your awereness and for that imagination is a great exercise. Normally your awareness in focussed in your head, but you can shift the focus and then it is as if you are outside of the body and free of it. But you have no body then…hence why astral travelers can make up any body they like. Your awareness forms a thoughtform body for your new focal point of awareness so that you think you have a body, but really you dont. That's why your hands melt when you look at them while astral traveling.

>>126117

Interesting. How will you be able to tell the difference between AP and, well let's say dreaming? Would one be able to perform experiments to test if it's legit ap or not?

>>126125

Once you experience it, you know. It’s like night and day.

>>126130

Okay anon {•~•}

>>126137

Thanks for the insight. Would one be able to interact with the outside world while AP?

I must be having so much trouble with AP because I have never done it in a past life. New skills are hardcore.

>>79585

Wait! The only thing i'm concerned of is that "evil entity" shit like every horror story has where there's some scary ass shadow monster from fuck knows where that'll posess their body or some shit.

Can I meet an extra dimensiona cutie instead?

>>133335

I forgot that i'm in an elated state of mania after discovering what a centillion is (10^303) and I feel so excited right now.

>>133335

>>133336

This is some peculiar shit posting, but I'm glad for the bump as this is one of my favorite threads

>>114144

So I can also use this to enhance my awareness of smaller and more subtle details of reference pictures, better visual acuity/enhancement and better visualizations of what I want so I can become a better drawfag?

>>133337

No, seriously. That "you're guest here. Not a god" comment sounds rather intimidating, just robbing me of power and agency.

>>133345

The fuck? You trying to read my mind? Stop hustling.

I saw my reply from 3 years ago and wondered if there's any one as woke as me nowadays.

>>133351

What the fuck are you saying?

>>133345

>No, seriously. That "you're guest here. Not a god" comment sounds rather intimidating, just robbing me of power and agency.

What the fuck are you saying?

>>79585

>Why you have taken it upon yourself to discourage everyone from the study of occultism? >There is no harm in it and it prepares the way for the attainments.

>thers is no harm in it

you have no idea

I've only managed to do it once successfully but every time I try I have the feeling that something grabs me and tries to pull me down. Is that normal or is there a way that doesn't feel like I'm being dragged to some sort of underworld?

>>133420

Try to let yourself be dragged. I've been dragged down to places before and it has never been a bad experience.

Always remember that your emotional state is your body out there. Keep calm and in control of your emotions and you have all the tools you need.

If in doubt, practice emotional transmutation. Try to feel different emotions at will, change a spontaneous emotion into another, etc.

That skill will come in handy in your daily life and in the afterlife as well.

Advice for everyone on this thread: read Robert Bruce's Out of Body trilogy.