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>>141786

It's about the synthesis between pataphysics and theurgy.

The ritual is just a method of crystallizing intent, as well as triggering the intent to summon forth will. Visualizing thoughtforms functions in the exact same way as performing a physical ritual. Calling it 'merely psychological' is a mistake since reality itself is made of mind; every action that occurs can be said to be merely psychological in nature.

>>141788

>The ritual is just a method of crystallizing intent, as well as triggering the intent to summon forth will

That kinda adds to my point. If that's true, then your intent and will alone should be enough and there's no need for you to put on a robe, draw a pentagram, etc.

You should be able to put on a t-shirt, jeans and draw an anime character and get the same effect.

My point is, these things are nothing but theatrics in the grand scheme, I want to be able to simply just tap into magic directly.

To me, that's true magic, that's what a true magician can do. They can just exert their will over reality, no theatrics required, no special words, no spells, no symbols, they can command the phenomenon to occur directly through their intent and will alone.

>>141790

>I just want to know why do you want to make it harder for yourself? Yes, technically you can "intent + will + energy" your way through things, but symbols and rituals will just make your life so much easier.

The kind of magic I want to do isn't "you do a ritual today and something happens a month later" magic.

To me that's not "real magic", it can't be tested, it can't really be observed, and the outcomes can more likely be attributed to natural phenomenon or random chance.

For example, lets say a guy is having problems getting his wife pregnant, he does the kind of magic you are talking about and after a few months of trying she finally gets pregnant.

He'll tell himself that it's because of the magic he did, but he won't KNOW that for sure, it could just as easily been random chance.

So, to summarize:

1. You say using magic the regular way is "easier" but in my mind having all of those shackles isn't "easier" in my book. I think that kind of magic is too limiting.

2. I want to be able to do something in real time and see it happen before my eyes.

23 I want to be able to do magic that is practical and useful, especially in combat. If the average magician gets held at gunpoint they're dead, all those decades of training, practice amount to nothing when you have to do something fast in real time and you don't have your trinkets, symbols, etc with you, and you don't have any time to do a ritual.

You may think this is bad, but I'd like to be able to just break a guys neck with thought if he holds me at gun point to rob me lol. Maybe that's impossible and "magic doesn't work like that", but I'd atleast like to try and see if it's possible anyways.

On another note, I've already heard about the arcane teachings/formulas, skimmed the books, didn't seem like it had anything to do with what I'm looking for, but maybe I need to look again. Thanks for the suggestions.

>>141791

Ahh got it. I have a much better understanding of what you meant now. And I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding. Rituals and symbols don't have to be physical. You can do them/visualize them mentally as well. Also a ritual can be as short as simply snapping your fingers, but no point of getting into the semantics of all this I think.

Look into Qigong though, and if you can find Lonemanpai's/SOTG's stuff (prob your best bet if you can find it, I think he wiped everything) I think that's right up your alley. Also Kahn's thread was pretty good iirc if you can find that.

Google should be able to help you with the first two, as for Kahn's thread idk if it's still up or if someone has it archived and want's to share it with you.

>>141792

>Look into Qigong though, and if you can find Lonemanpai's/SOTG's stuff (prob your best bet if you can find it, I think he wiped everything) I think that's right up your alley. Also Kahn's thread was pretty good iirc if you can find that.

This is such a huge coincidence, a few months ago I stumbled upon that stuff and I messaged one of the people that used the lonemanpai website and got all of files.

But is that stuff really legit?

I hear there's no point in trying to learn nei gong or qi gong without a master from a direct lineage

Also, who is khan and how would I find the their thread?

as far as I can tell, instant reality creation can get alot of stuff done and doesn't require any rituals, spirits, sigils, physical reagents, or other symbols, but I haven't looked enough into it to see if it can directly influence physicality beyond forcing a computer's RNG to bend to your will, as opposed to something more concrete like conjuring a flash drive out of akasha

I wanna look into reality manifestation at some point, but I haven't gotten around to it yet, so I don't know what the difference between it and reality creation is

>>141794

I'm more thinking baby steps here. Maybe I should be able to move a feather with my mind first before I try something like reality creation.

>>141795

well fuck, reality creation was the 1st thing I got any results with, and I can't even call myself a neophyte yet; just have some faith in yourself, both consciously and unconsciously, and then give the reality creation thread in the catalog a look

>>141796

>reality creation was the 1st thing I got any results with

"Results" are vague, subjective and 100% determined by the goals of the individual and how good they are at mental gymnastics (self delusion).

For example, everybody and their grandma will claim that they used LoA to get a job, get a promotion, get a romantic partner, etc, yet they are stuck being a wage slave working a 9 to 5 job that they don't even really like.

If you ask them why they can't use LoA to win the lottery or become rich in some other way, they all have the same answer (I don't mind being a wage slave, I don't really want money). How convenient, yet every now and then they'll find themselves complaining about money problems in life, funny how that works.

Their response is nothing but mental gymnastics (self delusion used to rationalize their belief in their non-existent abilities).

You said you got results, but what did you wish for?

The lower your wish is on the totem pole (the more mundane the wish), the more likely it was going to happen anyways through natural phenomenon (your own efforts) or coincidence.

Every single case of LoA or reality manipulation I see people talk about online is mundane shit that isn't even uncommon (like getting a job or a promotion).

I'll check the thread out, tbh I checked it out before a few years ago but it just didn't seem doable to me. But if I'm doing a test on reality manipulation I'm not testing it on something that could happen without "magic", to me that's a pointless test.

I'm going to be trying to ignite a sheet of paper on fire or something like that, not "try to get a job" which I can't know 100% for sure is the result of "magic".

>>141793

>This is such a huge coincidence, a few months ago I stumbled upon that stuff and I messaged one of the people that used the lonemanpai website and got all of files.

>But is that stuff really legit?

Well it looks like you we're the reason I was pinged to come to /fringe/ today. See where it take's you! If there's something meant for you there I'm sure you'll find it. I wish you the best of luck on your journey brother and always remember God loves you.

>>141793

>Also, who is khan and how would I find the their thread?

Oh and Khan was an old poster before 8chan got killed. You can probably find his thread if you use the waybackmachine on 8ch.net/fringe/

>>141797

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to direct you towards 'Pataphysical Theurgy. You seem to want magic, not hate or need it. Becoming a combat mage is likely not for you, but let's see: when someone pulls a gun on you on the sidewalk how would you react?

>>141797

When you can tell me which parts of your hand and fingers get burned first while working with fire and share a theory as to why I'll believe you care.

>>141800

And would you trust me if I told you that this message originally said "how will you react" but doesn't now because I felt I was being too harsh?

>>141797

> when they never read the Unknown Armies documents

Those who actually know magic may be homeless, they may be ruthlessly winning petty conflicts and earning minimum wage, they may be directing global news, making 200k plus, or commanding armies in Ukraine. Any of the above would fuck you up, and they're all following their passions.

>>141786

You want to be able to imagine something and make it solve your problems. Why are you quibbling?

>>141798

>always remember God loves you.

Nah bro I'm definitely cursed lol, I'm not one of God's chosen.

>See where it take's you! If there's something meant for you there I'm sure you'll find it

What about the egregore? Is it even safe to use that shit.

>>141800

>when someone pulls a gun on you on the sidewalk how would you react?

Depends on if I have magic abilities or not. If it's right now when I'm powerless there is no reaction, there's nothing you can do, you have to give them your money, etc.

Well, it also depends on how much money I have on me. If I have like $200 I'll give it to them. If I had just withdrawn like $1000 at an atm I'm probably going to risk it, try to distract them or wait for them to look away and then charge them for the gun, straight kick to the groin, then use my teeth along with my hands to get the gun out of their hand. At that point I'd be too paranoid to just leave them be as I'll likely see them tomorrow, so I'd either hold them at gun point while calling the police (and shoot them if they run), or shoot and kill them immediately.

>>141801

>When you can tell me which parts of your hand and fingers get burned first while working with fire and share a theory as to why I'll believe you care.

This statement is kinda pointless, it would be like asking a random person with no abilities to tell you what parts of their brain are engaged the most when doing telekinesis and what's their theory on why.

How would they know anyways?

It seems like you're asking me to qualify myself to you but I don't even know if you are someone worthy of that to begin with, you could just be some random larp poster. So either offer suggestions on the right part if you feel like it, or don't bother replying it all if you are that big of a need for an ego stroking.

>>141803

>Those who actually know magic may be homeless

No they are not lol. Homelessness is something done outside of choice, if someone has powers and chooses to remain on the streets I wouldn't call them homeless, just as if someone is choosing to remain hungry we call it "fasting" instead of "starving", because there's a big difference between voluntary and involuntary.

>earning minimum wage

Nah, that's the cope you tell yourself so that you can keep believing you have powers, it's just delusion. Nobody with genuine abilities would keep themselves poor.

>Any of the above would fuck you up

Some of the people you mentioned should unfuck their lives first before thinking about fucking anyone else up.

>they're all following their passions

I learned something new today, I never knew that poverty was a passion lol.

>>141804

>You want to be able to imagine something and make it solve your problems. Why are you quibbling?

People who don't ask questions and don't speculate, are people who don't really care about the thing being discussed.

There's no reason for me to just see something and take it at face value without any doubts. This is the internet and I'm not sure if you know, but magic forums are often filled with larps, trolls, crazy people, and on rare occasion people who have genuine knowledge but they want to mislead newcomers because they get off on it in some sadistic way.

There are more obstacles than opportunities created from each response that I get. I have to ask questions so that I can see what to screen out, what to spend more time on, what to ignore completely, etc.

You're basically asking me to not use discernment in the one field in which its pretty much a requirement.

At least 50% of the suggestions I get will be worthless and that's me being generous. If only I could peer through the minds of the comment posters, but if I could do that, I wouldn't have made this thread now would I?

>>141807

I'm telling you to jump off the porch, start practicing, and begin to learn from experience.

>>141808

This betrays a remarkable lack of understanding.

>>141809

I still think that your problem is you want it, rather than hate or need it.

>>141813

>This betrays a remarkable lack of understanding.

Your response does the same because you explain nothing, you show no understanding either, it's just nothing but rhetoric but it has no substance to it.

If someone says "1+1=11" and your response is simply "that answer is wrong", you haven't displayed that you know the answer either, it's nothing but posturing.

>>141814

>I still think that your problem is you want it, rather than hate or need it.

There is no such thing as "need", everything in life is a want.

You don't need to live, you want to live.

The world doesn't revolve around you or me, it doesn't matter what we think is a "need", it is always just a "want" in reality.

Context matters though, for example, your body needs water to survive, but you (the individual) doesn't need to survive as if your existence is some essential part of reality, you just want to survive.

Water is a requirement for your body to survive, but your survival is not a requirement in the universe. There is no such thing as need when it comes to our desires, it's all wants.

>>141816

>with the homeless and addicted often learning it as a survival mechanism.

Sure buddy…… sure. That guy who died of starvation at the very moment you are reading this comment definitely knows magic and can bend reality to his will.

>>141817

And that beggar on the side of the road with a bowl probably has no spiritual development compared to the founder of a tech company, too?

I notice that you focused on the 'Pataphysical aspect but ignored the Theurgy.

>>141819

>And that beggar on the side of the road with a bowl probably has no spiritual development compared to the founder of a tech company, too?

1. Nice attempt at moving the goal post, "spiritual development" is vague and subjective, it's not valid criteria to judge the worth of anything.

Everybody and their grandma can claim to be "spiritually developed" or "enlightened" and you have no metric by which to accurately measure that.

People like you are the reason why cult leaders even gain a following. You place too much weight on vague and subjective things that can't be tested or observed, and this is exactly why charismatic leaders can convince you to drink poisoned koolaid and/or offer up your wife to them for some weird sex ritual.

There has to be some kind of objective criteria by which you measure things, without that, you are just the blind leading the blind.

2. If your spiritual development can't tangibly help you in this life, aren't you getting ahead of yourself with assuming it will help you in the "next life".

You don't know 100% without a doubt what awaits you after. You can do all of that "spiritual development", and the rich tech company founder had the money to start charities, save thousands of lives, etc, and because of that he has a better after life than you.

That homeless beggar could be there because he was a drug addict and made bad choices, why are you assuming that the person with less will be more enlightened?

Also, being wealthy might actually be what affords him the free time to pursue spiritual development. He likely only has to attend a few board meetings every month, and the rest of his time is free time. You have to spend 8+ hours a day working a job, which in most cases drains your passion for life and leaves you too tired at the end of the day to even care about spiritual development.

>>141820

>I notice that you focused on the 'Pataphysical aspect but ignored the Theurgy

>I notice that you focused on the 'Pataphysical aspect but ignored the Theurgy

That's because the "pataphysical" aspect was the descriptor. If you had said "hermetic theurgy" I'd want to first know what hermetics is.

Also, when you google "pataphysical theurgy", nothing comes up in search results for that phrase, you only get results for the pataphysical part on it's own or the theurgy part on it's own.

Now, I've become tired of these back and forths, I'll only be replying to suggestions from now on. There's no point in arguing theory and perspectives.

>>141791

Sorry but it's not possible to skip the developmental steps. You're going to have to put in work and improve slowly just like any other skill. At first it might regularly take a month for something to manifest, eventually it will take a week, and then a day, and then it will start happening almost instantly. Which is where you want to be. But there's no way to just skip past the learning phase and straight into mastery. That takes time and work. It's not as though beginner-level slow magic is useless, it takes a while for the effects to show up but you can easily use it to dramatically improve your life.

If your issue is that you don't believe that magic that takes a long time is real, you can try basic kinetics like psi wheel telekinesis. So long as you actually put in the work and don't give up after a day you'll see results. I did this early in my development, after around a month of practicing I was able to achieve a large move that was impossible to explain away with coincidences of room air currents.

Qi gong and energy work also gives instant feedback in the form of bodily sensations, and can be used to improve your health very quickly.

>You may think this is bad, but I'd like to be able to just break a guys neck with thought if he holds me at gun point to rob me lol

It would typically be easier to make a thoughtform that causes it to be impossible for you to be robbed in the first place. You can use etheric influence to stop someone's heart ("hypnotizing" them into dying) but again it takes a lot of work to reach that level.

>>141822

>If your issue is that you don't believe that magic that takes a long time is real

It's not that it isn't real, it's that you can't accurately test if it's real or not, as any outcome that happened could simply be due to natural phenomenon (your own efforts) or coincidence/random chance (luck).

>Sorry but it's not possible to skip the developmental steps.

The "developmental steps" has nothing to do with duration. I've seen training systems where the development consists of training exercises and the magic that you actually test with is basically instantaneous. I am already doing the training for such a system, I'm really just looking for other systems that may help me get closer to what I'm trying to do.

>psi wheel telekinesis

Lol dude, that is literally one of the easiest things to placebo yourself with or even fake in a video.

Let me give you the perfect example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7Ffiz-2tmo

This guy whose channel is dedicated to "proving" that magic is fake put his psi wheel under a glass bowl, taped the sides just incase, tested with a hairdryer to see if the wind would move it, tested with a magnet to show that he wasn't using a magnet, and still at the end got it to move through some other method.

You said:

>after around a month of practicing I was able to achieve a large move that was impossible to explain away with coincidences of room air currents.

But I doubt you put in even half the restrictions this guy this who thinks it's fake and found a way to still fake it despite all of his restrictions.

Try and do the "large move" again using the restrictions that's in that video and tell me how it goes.

I'm not saying you can't do magic, but the psi wheel is the worst example of a test to give a beginner. Peoples minds play tricks on them and someone desperate enough will believe whatever makes them feel better. Unless you are placing restrictions that account for your mental biases it's not worth testing.

For example, like in that video, I'd only do it from a distance. Putting your hands around the psi wheel makes no sense as the slightest breeze generated from your hand movement can trigger a small movement and the slightest breeze or shift in temperate can cause a bigger movement. The psi wheel is only worth testing under a glass bowl and from a distance, no hands near the bowl.

>>141822

Prefect video for you to watch, same guy, stop recommending the psi wheel, you can do it without even following any instructions or even meditating. If you make your hands warm and put them around the psi wheel it will also move.

It's just not a good test for magic/psychic abilities (atleast not in the way it's normally done).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmR6d_bM-Nc

>>141823

>>141824

>It's not that it isn't real, it's that you can't accurately test if it's real or not, as any outcome that happened could simply be due to natural phenomenon (your own efforts) or coincidence/random chance (luck).

If a specific technique gives you success, you continue experimenting with that technique. If it only works once, you can conclude that it was a coincidence. If you regularly see results from a technique, you can conclude that it is effective.

>I've seen training systems where the development consists of training exercises and the magic that you actually test with is basically instantaneous.

And what are these systems?

>Lol dude, that is literally one of the easiest things to placebo yourself with or even fake in a video.

This isn't about proving something to a third party, it's about proving it to yourself. Saying that it can be faked has no relevance here.

>Putting your hands around the psi wheel makes no sense as the slightest breeze generated from your hand movement can trigger a small movement and the slightest breeze or shift in temperate can cause a bigger movement.

Typically you sit back from the wheel a good distance when practicing for this reason. I usually sat on the other side of the room. Successes with this method are very noticeable. You'll manage to perform a certain novel mental action and the wheel will make a sudden move a split second afterwards. It's fine if you think it must be a coincidence with the air currents, the purpose is to slowly build your confidence. Eventually it becomes illogical to think that you're just having a lot of coincidences between your thoughts and the air.

>Try and do the "large move" again using the restrictions that's in that video and tell me how it goes.

I moved a square object a full inch across the floor, indoors with no central air of any kind running. After doing that there is simply no way to convince yourself that it's just a coincidence. Am I really supposed to believe that the air just spontaneously decided to move into a huge localized gust in the specific area I was concentrating towards at the specific moment that I attained a very ephemeral and rare state of consciousness that felt as though a mass of energy was leaving my body?

The point isn't to prove to anyone else that is possible, it's to prove it to yourself. Practicing TK was what convinced me 100% once and for all that magic wasn't just confirmation bias and placebo, which is why I'm recommending it.

Faith in your abilities is absolutely necessary in all forms of magic. In order to assert your Will on reality, you have to assume that your Will is actually capable of influencing reality. Second-guessing yourself is antithetical to this. I myself spent years testing and second-guessing myself. Eventually I realized that the only times I was able to get success was when I had blind faith that what I was doing was going to work and wasn't worrying about whether it was 'proven' or not.

>>141821

As I said, it's about the synthesis of the two concepts. It's not something you'll find much about on Google.

>>141825

Absolutely agreed with this anon. The only person you need to convince is yourself. If you're excited about bragging about it, showing off, etc you're coming at this from the wrong perspective.

Magic can be demonstrated to others under certain circumstances, which involve the depth of your practice and the preconceptions and focus that the audience has. Are you familiar with the concept of the phaneron? It's the sum total of what is perceived by your mind, including thoughts, dreams, emotions, and memory. A hermit in the woods has much more control over their phaneron than someone on a packed subway train - since the person on the packed train is sharing it with dozens of others who are also perceiving the space and have their own conscious and subconscious expectations as to how reality functions and what things mean when they happen.

>>141826

Magical effects will always be easier to achieve with fewer observers. If your observer is stronger than you, you may see things happen that you don't normally - but this is because you're holding them back from their peak performance not because you two are stronger together.

>>141821

You're trying to use the doctrines of science, which is fundamentally a highly effective religion for interpreting the material world, to engage with the immaterial.

You are consciously entering into a psychic no-man's land and grasping for the comfortable life vest of statistics and spreadsheets to convince you that you're making progress when what you need to be doing is rapidly iterating, experimenting based on intuition, and immersing yourself in the chase. You will lose your mind as you begin to succeed - or, more accurately, you will discover that what you felt was sanity was actually the equivalent of the blinders worn by a horse to help control it in an environment too overwhelming for it.

>>141821

I'll give you an exercise, if that helps. It's obvious that music can effect reality - people hear it, and it subconsciously or consciously impacts their behavior. Similarly, music only you can hear can effect reality at large - you can test this with streamers, by listening to music in your car, being in a crowd with headphones, etc. You'll need to be in the right mindset for it - you need to know it works. I first discovered this by accident, was surprised, and kept iterating. Get into what chaos magic would call a state of gnosis and intentionally use a song you know well or that has a strong and clear intent to influence something.

>>141828

This is a large part of why some people who make significant magical progress drop out of mainstream society in various ways. Their blinders aren't firmly on. Not everyone, sure, but you're ignoring the entire global canon of folklore, stories, and religious texts that makes it clear that sometimes those lurking at the fringes of society are those with the most power.

>>141825

Similarly, when deepest in the current, I've had experiences where I've been able to pilot insects, small dogs, and to some extent people as though via remote control. At this point you begin wondering many things.

>>141777

I would like to contribute to what everyone else already told you with a little metaphysical model that might help you.

God is dreaming. We are characters in that dream. The dream goes on even after you die.

Magic is the action of making God dream of the things you want. It operates according to dream logic, in a way similar to how AI large language models generate text. Content follows other content that makes sense when following inner coherence.

This is why rituals that imply contradicting ontologies work. It's why there can be a dozen "creator entities" that you don't need to shoehorn in some synchretic abomination of a cosmology. If it has internal consistency and logic, it can work. This is why Neville Goddard's techniques work, Chaos Magick and so does Western Ceremonial Magic. It's not because one of them is "right" and the rest are just deluded but accidentally correct enough as to the way reality works to produce results. It's because in a dream, they would all be able produce results.

Therefore, to answer your question more directly, if you build yourself up so that it makes sense that you can cast fireballs out of your ass, you will be able to do it.

However, as another anon said, you can't skip the steps. You have to build your way up in any one system of your choosing. Think of it as choosing a class in an RPG. You can't produce the same effects the LBRP produces with your will alone until you have interiorized the effects of the LBRP and learnt to produce them at will.

Does this mean cultivating ungodly amounts of qi? Having unwavering faith? Commanding the spirits? Yes. I'm not saying if you believe it, is real. I'm saying everything is real because reality is a massive multiplayer shared and cooperative hallucination.

Don't think in terms of physics. Think in terms of dream logic and you will gain a great grasp on magic.

I hope I didn't go too crazy there to get my point across.

>>141831

>to some extent people as though via remote control

This fucked up what little remained of my social life.

Checked. Keith Miller has two short books. One about this and another about spirits. I could not find it pirateable, but the kindle version is cheap. The energy work one is excellent, although it might help if you have some experience with Robert Bruce's energy work techniques.

>>141791

>The kind of magic I want to do isn't "you do a ritual today and something happens a month later" magic.

>To me that's not "real magic", it can't be tested, it can't really be observed, and the outcomes can more likely be attributed to natural phenomenon or random chance.

It can definitely be tested, if you know how society normally moves and start from your position of not having any experience, that's where you are, but you have to start somewhere. I've done this enough that I can fairly accurately categorize my ritual spells according to which time from of activation and effect is needed. Quick spells take effect in around 2 weeks. Slower will start showing in around 2 - 4 months, but will take effect in 1 -2 years. Difficult spell with a specific target can take longer than 2 years.

It is testable and repeatable. As an example I hexed a politician to cause "dirt" to stick to him in a way that he had to end his career. It took over 2 years, but it was 100% effective. It manifested as an association with certain people being exposed, which made it impossible for him to represent the party. The technical reason for this is that you can't suddenly manifest bad social associations for a person, if he had not been involved with them for 2 years it would not have had the effect of ruining his reputation.

>For example, lets say a guy is having problems getting his wife pregnant, he does the kind of magic you are talking about and after a few months of trying she finally gets pregnant.

>He'll tell himself that it's because of the magic he did, but he won't KNOW that for sure, it could just as easily been random chance.

Causing pregnancy is more of a "supernormal ability" than situational magic. It can be done with instant results, and easily verifiable since the woman will tell everyone that she is now pregnant.

>So, to summarize:

>1. You say using magic the regular way is "easier" but in my mind having all of those shackles isn't "easier" in my book. I think that kind of magic is too limiting.

What you call shackles is just learning the technical side of magic. You could say the same about learning to use a gun, your mind is shackled by having to follow the laws of engineering.

>2. I want to be able to do something in real time and see it happen before my eyes.

There is no reason why you have to see direct manifestation the second you performed the spell, lasting results are what matter.

>23 I want to be able to do magic that is practical and useful, especially in combat. If the average magician gets held at gunpoint they're dead, all those decades of training, practice amount to nothing when you have to do something fast in real time and you don't have your trinkets, symbols, etc with you, and you don't have any time to do a ritual.

Direct real time defense is called kung fu/gong fu and falls under Qi Gong. If you want to be safe as a wizard you need situational defense. That means to de-manifest the hostile situation before it can get near you. You're thinking about this wrongly. Instead of mindlessly going into the nigger neighbourhood hoping you don't get robbed, first off plan your day. Secondly, if common sense can't protect you, then you use magic to remove these bad timelines. If the attacker never appears, you don't have to fight.

>You may think this is bad, but I'd like to be able to just break a guys neck with thought if he holds me at gun point to rob me lol. Maybe that's impossible and "magic doesn't work like that", but I'd atleast like to try and see if it's possible anyways.

Learn martial arts if this is really what you want, this isn't magic.

>>141879

>The technical reason for this is that you can't suddenly manifest bad social associations for a person, if he had not been involved with them for 2 years it would not have had the effect of ruining his reputation.

Have you experimented with projecting your awareness backwards into the past and projecting your Will there so as to circumvent the causal 'cooking time'?

>>141880

It only works in timelines that didn't play out yet, where so called NPCs take up the space currently. Otherwise you have to break down the karmic relations of all the people involved from the time you changed things up until the present, and if you can do that you should probably do better things than hexing a politician.

It's possible to circumvent time if you do find empty timelines related to those NPCs though, but the effect is marginal.

>>141879

Everything you said is correct. But fast rituals can manifest in minutes to hours if you pick your targets right.

>There is nothing innate to the universe that should make doing those things a requirement to do magic and based on what I've read these things are merely psychological reinforcement

That's what happens when people get their information through imageboards and not magickal and philosophical treatises, and that's why most of this stuff is and should be occult from the masses. Anyway, enjoy playing with your mind and thinking that's what "magic" is all about.