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>In the Arcane Teaching, the term “Vril” indicates the universal principle of vital-energy, life-force, or vital magnetism, as it is sometimes called.

"Glama" (Persian Mysticism) and "the universal fluid" (Mesmer, but I think Franz Bardon also uses this term)..

Edit: https://awakenedonez.files.wordpress.com/2018/11/1291355138universal.pdf

First chapter Franz Bardon references it as "the electromagnetic fluid" and mentions it in connection with the akasha (causal energy) and the wil.

http://abardoncompanion.de/ABardonCompanionBook.pdf

From page 30 to 33 there is more mention and then also mention of "Od".

The Electric and the Magnetic Fluids:

Bardon does not write extensively about the Electric and Magnetic Fluids in the Theory section of IIH. He does, however, speak of it in the ten Steps and in his other books, especially KTQ and Q&A. But in no one spot does he clearly and exhaustively define these terms.

Probably the first question that arises is what does he mean by "Fluid"? By Fluid, Bardon indicates an energy or essence that manifests motion and handles in a manner similar to water. Both Fluids are dynamic things. IIH teaches the student how to manipulate or wield these Fluids, form them into whatever shape is desired and impregnate them with any corresponding wish.

These two Fluids are the primal polarity and are effective in every plane of existence. The Electric Fluid is the positive, expansive pole and the Magnetic Fluid is the opposite negative, contractive pole. As with a physical magnet, these poles cannot be separated – they are manifest through the continuum that unites them in their eternal embrace. Both forces are equal and interdependent, and have been described in every culture in one way or an-other. At the highest level, these poles are expressed through the two faces of The One.

The Fluids are the root of the Elements Fire and Water. This is why, in the course of IIH, the student looks within the Fire Element for the Electric Fluid and within the Water Element for the Magnetic Fluid. It is in fact, difficult for the student to at first differentiate between the primary Elements and the Fluids. But there is a difference – it's just difficult to explain.

Within the Fire Element, the Electric Fluid is found in the Fire's ex-pansiveness, heat and light. The Magnetic Fluid is found within the Water's contractiveness, cold and darkness. The Magnetic Fluid gives form to the Electric force and everywhere in our world, they act in unison. The Fluids are the two primal forces and the Elements are their extensions or modifications.

Each of the Elements can be said to have a specific ElectroMagnetic charge. The Fire Element is predominantly Electric and the Water, Magnetic. The Air represents a balance of the two Fluids (the continuum which connects these two poles) – the perfect hermaphrodite, capable of accepting the influence of either Fluid. The fourth pole of the quadrapolar magnet, Elemental Earth, represents the combined action of these three ElectroMagnetic charges.

This is often difficult for the novice to understand. It requires careful consideration to see how, at a philosophical level, the combination of parts can sometimes equal more than the sum of its parts. In this case, the amplification of effect occurs because the parts which combine are each dynamic things. Their dynamism makes them interactive and together, they make something new which does not exist at the level of their independent parts. Thus the Elemental Earth contains not only the Electric and Magnetic balance of Air, but also the raw polarities of Fire and Water. Together, they work in a dynamic, rhythmic and cyclic manner. It is the combination and interaction of these three dynamic parts that causes things to manifest solidity in each of the three mediums or substances (Mental, Astral and Physical).

>>136567

The serious work with the Fluids doesn't begin until the eighth Step of IIH, so there is little point in listing too many correspondences for the Fluids here. Between now and Step Eight, you'll have plenty of time to become familiar with the Fluids on your own. In the mean time, here are a few notes from Bardon's own comments as relayed by his direct students in the book "Questions and Answers" –

MENTAL (page 24, question #19): "The Electric Fluid fills abstract thoughts with pure Electric Fluid, warmth, expansion and dynamics. The Magnetic Fluid fills them with pure Magnetic Fluid and the opposite attributes. For example, the Electric Fluid expresses itself through its attributes in willpower, while the Magnetic Fluid expresses itself in the antipole of the will, that is, in manifested belief, an aspect of the productive universal power."

ASTRAL (page 47, question #12): "Clairvoyance is an Electric ability of the astral body; clairsentience and psychometry are Magnetic abilities."

PHYSICAL (page 65, question #5): "If we are under the influence of the Electric Fluid, then the Fire Element is more effective in us. In this case we feel hot, or we are active to higher degrees, we work more diligently, and therefore we are internally satiated with the Fire Element. Through the increased influence of the Magnetic Fluid we perceive coldness; should the Magnetic Fluid become satiated within us, elimination increases."

(page 66, question #6): "On the surface of the human body, the ElectroMagnetic Fluid is effective as radiating life-magnetism. The right side of the body is (in the case of a right-handed person) the active or Electrical side, whereas the left side of the body is passive or Magnetic. The opposite is the case with a left-handed person.

"The Electric Fluid, through its expansion, causes radiating electrons on the inside of every body [i.e., physical thing], which on the other hand are attracted by the Magnetic Fluid of the earth. [This explains "gravity".] The Electric Fluid is located in the Inner of everything created, therefore also in the center of the earth, while the Magnetic Fluid is effective on the surface of the earth an on everything created. . . The Electric Fluid produces the acids in all organic or inorganic bodies or substances from a chemical or alchemical point of view, whereas the Magnetic Fluid is effective in an alkaline manner."

Needless to say (but I'll say it anyway), the Electric and Magnetic Fluids are not the same thing as the physical phenomena of electricity and 33 magnetism. While they are analogously related, they are not the same. The physical phenomena of electricity and magnetism are each primarily caused by their corresponding Fluid but they are not purely one or the other Fluid – they are each composed of the four Elements with a corresponding polarized predominance of either Fire or Water.

It is impossible for me to describe what it feels like to accumulate and project the Fluids. The only way to gain this insight is through direct experience, the key to which is to take careful note, in your daily life, of the qualities I described above and look for them, especially as you work with the Elements.

The "Od":

Bardon mentions "Od" in passing but doesn't really explain what he means by this term. I've heard several definitions of Od but from what I've gleaned of Bardon's definition, he is referring to the character of the individ-ual or, in other words, the individual's expression of their particular Elemental composition.

The Od is primarily Electric in nature. Simply put, it is the energy that we each express through our accumulated thoughts and emotions. At the mental level, it is our attitude and the quality/quantity of our ideas, seen by how they influence others – in other words, their emanation. In astral terms, the Od is our astral character or emotional composition, again in its emanative phase of influencing our surroundings. As to our physical body, the Od is the vitality we bring to life and express through our actions. Thus, one with a strong Od is generally outwardly gregarious and active, and one with a weak Od is passive and shy.

These three aspects of the Od work in unison to produce the overall Od.

One place where Bardon speaks of the Od is in the little book "Questions and Answers", under the Astral heading (page 50, question #21). This question concerns astral healing methods and gives an important clue as to what Bardon means by Od:

"We draw this accumulated vital energy directly from the universe and direct it into the astral body of the ailing person without passing it through our own body. Through this we prevent the weakening of our own vitality and at the same time prevent the mixing of our Od (character) with the Od of the ailing person; otherwise we can infect ourselves with the negative attrib-utes of the patient."

While Bardon speaks here only of the Od in relation to astral healing, the same can be said of the mental Od in mental healing and the physical Od during physical healing.

>>136570

>What is John Chang doing in pic related?

Mudras.

>How many of John Kreiter’s books have you read?

None. Feel free to excerpt anything pertaining to Vril in them (whatever name it happens to be mentioned under) in this thread though. I will be continually excerpting and taking notes from every author I can find talking about it.

>>136571

I wasn’t asking you. I was giving you a pair of clues. Forget about “mudras”. Master Chang is accumulating and refining energy.

You might want to watch the piece on him again and maybe read The Magus of Java for context. Then read Kreiter with all that and this picture in mind. Particularly the vampire and magnum opus books. Then try to figure out what Chang is doing with his hands.

It might take a while (it took me 2 years to piece it all together). But imagine all the years you could waste chasing rabbits with the amount of books there are out there.

Page 65 and 66 of http://abardoncompanion.de/ABardonCompanionBook.pdf

Q&A– 1) How do I breathe through my pores?

Bardon uses the analogy of a dry sponge which absorbs the water. This is good, but I prefer the idea of breathing from the inside of your bones. This way you are drawing in the air from the inside of your self. There is no way to really describe how this feels, but with a little practice you'll get the hang of it on your own.

2) What is the vital energy?

There are two questions about the vital energy that invariably arise: "What is the vital energy?", and "What does the vital energy feel like?" The first question is less important than the second at this stage in the training but nonetheless, it is worthy of an answer.

The vital energy is a specific energy that has a specific constitution. It is composed of the Elements (Fire, Air, Water, Earth and Akasha) and the Fluids (Electric and Magnetic) in a ratio that has an affinity with living (animate) matter. When an animate being is surrounded with the vital energy, it naturally draws from the vital energy as much of the Elements and Fluids as it requires. Thus a blade of grass will draw a slightly different array of Ele-ments and Fluids from the vital energy than will a human body.

The vital energy is an astra-mental substance – it is not, in and of itself, something measurable through the use of physical instruments (although many of its physical effects are measurable). Since it is astra-mental, it has an affinity for physical matter and does directly effect the structure of physical things.

The specific ratio of Elements and Fluids composing the vital energy expresses a slight preponderance of the Fire Element and the Electric Fluid. It also expresses the positive polarity of the Elements and Fluids with greater strength than it does the negative polarity. This gives it the quality of vitality reflected in its name.

Most often, it is visualized as a slightly golden brilliance (due to its preponderance of the Fire Element and the Electric Fluid). It is also visual-ized by some to be of a pure white brilliance instead of having a golden tinge, but in my experience this is not the vital energy that Bardon speaks of here. This pure white (totally colorless) energy is also vital, but its effect is more universal and not as specifically suited to animate, living matter. In other words, the pure white energy will have a greater effect upon the structure of inanimate matter but will have less direct an impact upon animate matter than the gold tinged vital energy. Since the focus here in Step Two is our own physical body, I highly recommend working with a vital energy that has a golden appearance.

3) What does the vital energy feel like?

As to the second, more important question about how the vital en-ergy feels to the student's body, the main clue to this is found in the name this energy is given. This energy feels vital and it is stimulating and energizing to the human body. When performing the Step Two work with the vital energy, the student should feel this stimulation throughout the nerves of their entire body. Little more can be said for it is up to the student to find, through ex-perimentation, their connection to this energy for themselves. With these clues and directions, you should have little trouble in this regard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nF72gMvzQE

>>136572

https://www.sacred-magick.com/free/files/The%20Magus%20of%20Java.pdf

This is the correct book right? Can you provide links to the other stuff? I'm going to inevitably hunt them down and get them regardless but I also have like a hundred tabs open right now and literally 98 notes and a couple books all open at once…

>>136572

I can't find the Kreiter books through a simple search, are they contained in one of the libraries?

>>136572

Btw, currently, I can not even position my body like he is doing in that picture there due to multiple injuries.

Pages 114 to 116 of http://abardoncompanion.de/ABardonCompanionBook.pdf

Not going to bother cleaning up this text as I want to save myself time.

Astral (Magical Schooling of the Soul): Mastering the Electric and Magnetic Fluids This section begins with a few words about the magician's character and achievement. This is a very important matter and what Bardon says should be considered deeply by the aspiring student before proceeding any further. Bardon speaks about the Akasha preventing the unprepared from fur-ther progress and about it "protecting" the Mysteries from those who would abuse them. I would like to clarify this a bit for the passive reader. These functions of the Akasha are very real but they are not of the nature of a parental or demagogic intent per se. They are simply laws of Na-ture. In other words, this aspect of the Akasha is not meant as a punishment for those who would step beyond their true capabilities. There is not genuine, conscious intent here such as we would think of it in human emotional terms. The Akasha acts, in this regard, without bias this is just the way the universe is structured. It is not so much that the Akasha consciously prevents the rise of the unprepared student; rather, these requirements that Bardon speaks of are, by their very nature, what opens the Akasha and allows for a deeper pene-tration into the Mysteries. This is a difficult concept to describe and I can only hope that my words have clarified the matter for you to some minor ex-tent. The actual exercises of this section concern the manipulation of the Electric and Magnetic Fluids. Bardon describes two methods for accumulat-ing the Fluids – the inductive and the deductive. By inductive, Bardon means from the outside in. In other words, the corresponding Element is visualized as surrounding the student and the Fluid is drawn from the external Element and accumulated within the interior of the student's body. By deductive, Bardon indicates a reverse process. The student accu-mulates the corresponding Element, in the normal manner, within their own body to such a degree that the Fluid itself accumulates on the surface of their body. Both of these methods serve different purposes as outlined by Bar-don. The primary purpose of the inductive and deductive exercises however, is to prepare the magician for the regional accumulation that follows. Here the student accumulates the Magnetic Fluid in the lower region of the body 115 (that of Water and Earth) and the Electric Fluid in the upper region (that of Fire and Air). This is similar to the accumulation of the Elements into the four regions explained in Step Four. Once this is mastered, the student ex-tends the exercise and directs the Fluids from these regions into the left (Magnetic) and right (Electric) sides of their body, and eventually, condenses this accumulation into their right and left hands accordingly. After extended practice of these very complex and difficult exercises, the student becomes a master of the Fluids and can at any moment charge ei-ther hand (or both) with their appropriate Fluid. This allows the magician to do many things in a blink of an eye that would otherwise have taken more time and effort to accomplish through the manipulation of the Elements. There are two important things for the passive reader to understand here. First is that the Fluids are the essence of the Elements and thus, the ma-gician can accomplish things more quickly and effectively through the use of the Fluids than through the labor of the Elements. The second thing has to do with the nature of the student's ascent from 'lower' magic to 'higher' magic. What differentiates 'higher' from 'lower' magic is the degree to which the stu-dent masters the essential nature of the forces employed. Here, the hands-on labor of the Elements is considered 'lower' because the magician is not work-ing with the deeper essence of the Elements but with their outer form. The work with the Fluids however, is considered 'higher' because the magician wields the true essence of the Elements. There are still higher forms of magic than the mastery of the Fluids. An example is that of communion or merging with deity, for deity is the essence of even the Fluids.

>>136578

Physical (Magical Schooling of the Physical Body): Magical Influence Through the Elements & Fluid Condensers – Here again, the exercises listed have nothing to do with the magical schooling of the physical body. What Bardon presents in this Step are various techniques that the student can employ for their own purposes. The student of Alchemy (the physical application of Hermetics) will find these techniques of great interest. There is little that I can add to what Bardon relays in this section other than to comment upon his recommended use of gold in the Fluid con-densers. Many will think that this presents a large expense, but this is not the case. I purchased a simple homeopathic preparation of gold chloride several years ago (a little goes a long way) for just a few dollars. This homeopathic preparation is very effective and I recommend it highly. Contrary to what one might think, there is enough gold in a gold chloride solution for use in a fluid condenser.

[NOTE: In the introduction to both PME and KTQ, Bardon states that the student must have completed Step Eight of IIH before beginning the work of magical evocation and/or kabbala. Please consider for a moment the degree of training and magical maturity of one who has genuinely made it to this stage. Such a one will possess an absolute magical equilibrium, be capa-ble of the three-part action, be able to journey with their mental body with ease, and have absolute control over the Elements and Fluids. All these attrib-utes are essential for success with evocation and kabbalistic speech. Anyone who dares to begin work with PME and KTQ before reaching this stage risks great harm to their mental, emotional and physical well being.]

>>136574

Hmmm he mentions not feeling much pain.

I pretty much don't feel hunger, pain, or smell anything really except that I intentionally shift my awareness to these things and make an intention to strengthen them.

>>136572

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxRpcRYCYc4

Going to lay down and listen to this, maybe also do some of my exercises while listening.

This introduction is awful. Just praising muh technological advancements and muh human rights. Hopefully the rest of the book isn't this bad.

Yin-Chi Meditation:

Get into a comfortable position and clear your mind of any thoughts. Next focus on your breathing until you become relaxed. Now… Once you are relaxed you may stop focusing on your breathing. To begin accumulating electricity from the air, you must simultaneously visualize and feel electricity manifesting from the air around you - flowing onto every one of your body's hairs, into your body and then flowing into your stomach - allowing it to build up in there. You will feel a bunch of little cold stings on your skin as well as feeling an electric charge on your hairs if done correctly. Keep doing this for at least (3) minutes. After three minutes pass - you will have accumulated enough: "Electric Yin-Chi", and you may stop.

Yang-Chi Meditation:

Get into a comfortable position and clear your mind of any thoughts. Next focus on your breathing until you become relaxed. Now… Once you are relaxed you may stop focusing on your breathing. Summon your Soul; the Sun within the universe of your mind. To do that you will have to intentionally feel your stomach getting really warm until your body begins to heat up whilst visualizing your Soul/Sun. Gaze at it for at least (3) minutes. After three minutes pass you may stop.

The first meditation technique allows you to harbor: "BioElectricity/Yin-Chi" - Within your: Stomach/Solar Plexus.

The second meditation technique allows you to be able to flex your: "Yang-Chi/EnergyMotion;E-Motion", With more intensity than you could previously.

Here is how you activate your: "Yang-Chi"…

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1.) Visualize a finger pointing at the back of your neck, one centimeter away from touching you.

A.) If done correctly - You should feel a disturbance on the back of your neck. If you fail to experience that sensation, try visualizing something else other than a finger pointing at the back of your neck… For example: Imagine a spider chillin' lyka villain on the back of your neck. If you felt a disturbance on the back of your neck whilst visualizing that, then congratulations!

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2.) Try manifesting that disturbing feeling on the back of your neck without visual aid… How? All you have to do is simply: "Remember" - What it felt like and it shall manifest.

B.) If it manifests, try keeping it alive and glowing on the back of your neck for as long as you can.

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3.) Manifest that sensation once more, but THIS time - you will be attempting to shift it to another part of your body. So manifest that sensation you just developed and then slowly move it down your spine until it reaches the base of your spine. Then slowly move it back up your spine until it reaches the top of your spine, where you manifested it.

C.) Once you successfully have learned how to shift your: "Yang-Chi/E-Motion;EnergyMotion", up and down your spine @"Will" - You are now ready for the fourth step.

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4.) Try manifesting that sensation throughout your body.

D.) For example: Feel it manifest within your; Legs, Arms, Stomach, Spine, Neck and Head, Feet and Hands.

If you followed my guide correctly, you should have successfully activated your ability to manifest your: "Magnetic Yang-Chi".

With your [Magnetic: Yang-Chi] you can guide your [Electric: Yin-Chi] to any part of your body… Even into another person, animal or object's body. ~

You can test to see how much charge you have accumulated using: Poor Reception On Television(s) - Radio(s), Foil PsiWheel(s) and Balloons.

All of those things above will react to your electric Yin-Chi.

Your magnetic Yang-Chi is what you use to channel or guide your electric Yin-Chi, Yang-Chi allows you to control the amplitude of your Yin-Chi as well as push or pull it and even project it. ~

B.T.W. - You CAN exhaust your: (Magnetic Yang Chi). The more you use it - the less you will have. To restore your: (Yang Chi), You must do the: "Yang Chi Meditation".

The same concept applies with: (Electric Yin Chi), The more you use it - the less you'll have.

The Sun within the universe of your mind: "Your Soul", Is magnetic, It is a chakra. Chakra means: (Energy Motion) - like that of a vortex or simply put… "Motion", Chakra = E-Motion.

So when you gaze at your: "Soul", Your: "Sun"… You are directly absorbing: "Magnetic Yang Chi".

As for: "Electric Yin Chi", You must absorb it from the air around you.

So basically…

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You absorb: "Yang Chi" - From your: "Soul/Sun" - Within the universe of your mind… Your inner microcosm.

And as for your: "Yin Chi", You absorb it from the air on this earth within THIS universe… Our external shared macrocosm.

When you mix them together in your: "Stomach/SolarPlexus", You can then be able to move that energy that acts and feels similar to: "Electricity" - Within your body, as well as being able to move it into another living being or even an object.

Of course it isn't an entirely new energy, it is two energies combined…

Yang Chi Guides The Yin Chi. ~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMEhUHTTxVo

>You must be very aware of your emotions

>>136572

pearls before swine

>>136588

Made by this woman

https://youtu.be/tibKd9mMHVc

Make of it what you will.

>>136594

I'm no Swine if that's what you are thinking.

>>136619

O_O that's exactly what a swine would say…….

>>136588

There are essentially two modes of healing that I know of: giving someone energy (yours or some other source’s) and taking their bad energy away.

Chang did the former, and he himself said “he overdid it” (you can find an interview with the guy who did the documentary talking about it).

John Chang apparently died in February 2020 after having had cancer for quite a while.

Giving your energy can quickly deplete you. Apparently even someone with as much energy as him could become depleted. But eating other people’s bad energy has its dangers, too. If you don’t digest it properly you can end up developing their illness yourself. Cancer is a common issue with healers.

I'm about 5 hours into the Magus of Java and I have to note they are clearly clueless in thinking that John Chang is the soul person who has the knowledge he does and that nobody outside of the orient must have this knowledge.

Also the book as a whole really reminds of Frabato. Frabato was also written by a student/someone who knew the actual practitioner instead of the practitioner himself and was full of super human feats and possible embellishment.

>>136568

>>136567

The descriptions of Electric/Magnetic fluids seem to correspond with khan's description of yin/yang chi quite closely. The only difference is that it seems to take the "Fluid analogy" a little too literally.

>>136569

This weirds me out, but I wonder if what bardon considers "Od" is what I've learned to be known as "prana"? Is that even a good comparison?

>>136641

The mechanics of actual, metaphysical healing I find them to be not terribly-elaborated on. I've heard of the two forms you've listed, and variants of them that use deities, (G)od, the earth, and the sun as the healing source or the grounding point. Reiki apparently is a form of healing too, but I haven't researched enough on it to determine if it's functionally feasible, let alone practical.

>>136664

Prana is Yang, Apana is Yin.

Your views are severely limited.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61FIwbnFAH8

>>136664

I've actually met a Reiki practitioner. Can confirm they produce a very strong heat in the hands.

>"The Fourteen Lessons in Yogi Philosophy… "

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYmXy0mNMNiNxDS1mAqLahg_gxzIpKLSG

http://www.yogebooks.com/english/atkinson/2014serieslessons.pdf

>"The Seventh Lesson" Human Magnetism - Pranic Energy - Uses and properties…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nPVxmjtROw

>>136669

Oh wait! Some armchair “occultist” wrote down in a book all the memes and misconceptions of his time regarding this topic without ever testing them first hand.

That’s it then. I guess we’re all maguses now /thread

>>136667

The world of qigong is the only place where human spiritual evolution is alive, despite all the political bullshit trying to bring it all down in flames. Every other culture is confounded by drugs and deities. The west is clueless in this regard.

>>136678

Thanks for contributing nothing of value at at all to the thread. Not a single bit of actual criticism, just a bunch of baseless assertions, and no presentation of a better way or an alternative fact.

>The world of qigong is the only place where human spiritual evolution is alive, despite all the political bullshit trying to bring it all down in flames. Every other culture is confounded by drugs and deities. The west is clueless in this regard.

Yeah right. You must be Asian or more likely a self-hating white and think everyone thinks according to a collective. The West is an extremely spiritually and philosophically diverse place. You are mightily presumptuous.

Post something of actual value in the thread or just get out if you have nothing to contribute. Your type of "criticism" is no different than the fedora stuff where the fedora never bothers to try to prove materialism or emergent properties or any ideas at all and instead just attacks some religion all day except fedoras at least put in more effort than you. There is nothing constructive in what you have to say. "oh my qigong is so special, but I will make vague non-specific attacks on others who actually wrote books and did the work of presenting their ideas, and no I won't post a single bit of theory or practice of my own I will just attack others all day".

>>136669

OK I’ve read it.

You can sum the whole chapter up in two points:

>visualize absorbing large quantities of prana when eating and breathing

>read my other book The Science of Breath

Imagine someone in the 21st century being scammed by some dead dude born in the 19th. That’s you.

Unless you want to show or talk about any kind of progress of your own. You know, the kind of things Atkinson taught you. Surely for you to be spamming the whole board with Atkinson there must be so many things.

>>136680

>OK I’ve read it.

Just that chapter?

>You can sum the whole chapter up in two points:

>visualize absorbing large quantities of prana when eating and breathing

Yes. Good on you for deducing that. He also mentions in other parts of his writings how it appears to the clairvoyant, how it functions, different phases of it, and other facts about prana that make it easier to understand what we are working with.

>Imagine someone in the 21st century being scammed by some dead dude born in the 19th. That’s you.

It's not a scam because I don't pay money for pdfs and audiobooks freely available online and which are in the public domain. Furthermore it hasn't been a waste of time for me.

>Unless you want to show or talk about any kind of progress of your own.

I don't want to show a single thing and open myself up to people like you. I have talked about my progress over the years on here and elsewhere. The purpose of this thread is for me to gather in one place all of the knowledge I can find about vril. I would appreciate you adding your own knowledge and practices here and if you want to ignore Atkinson that is fine by me but if you're only just now reading one chapter of his works well I can see then that all your attacks on Atkinson are unfounded as you have not put any time into reading or practicing what he has to say. I don't attack random authors of books without reading them first. I just ignore them OR put them onto my reading list.

>You know, the kind of things Atkinson taught you. Surely for you to be spamming the whole board with Atkinson there must be so many things.

Thanks for yet another completely worthless post in the thread. Maybe at some point I will copy all the actually good and constructive posts in here and ask for the thread to be deleted so I can restart it again without your shitposts clogging it up.

As for what I have learned from Atkinson and others about Vril/Prana specifically, I'm in the process of trying to organize all that in here and you – you're just making me tired with your antagonism.

https://evolvinghumans.com/

Hmmm interesting. He mentions about personal training. I wonder if he's serious about that or he'll give a series of prerecorded videos and articles. Well, time to find out.

>>136680

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukCfYcoehWw

>>136685

>Actually I've read a lot of Atkinson over the years. I got over it eventually.

Okay good. Then you will be able to help me move on to better things too.

>The way he explained his technique to increase vital energy won't work for anybody except the ones that have already some kind of intuitive knowledge or experience about it.

A valid point and one that I was thinking about. I only understand (in as much as I understand) because of spontaneous experience and intuition about it.

>There's a missing, very important point (which he would have included if he had ever experienced the things he wrote about).

I don't buy into your reasoning here. He could very well have decided against leaving it out OR he may have not thought about it OR he may have some experience with the subject but not to the same degree as others.

>You can find it explained by Kreiter in Magnum Opus and The Way of the Projectionist, although these books cover a lot more ground.

I need copies of those books. I will read them myself. I'm going vary carefully and slowly through The Magus of Java right now but when I finish that I will go through those books too. The extra time and careful study is worth it to me.

>the technique of Active Imagination and applying its principles to your visualization, being the intent what moves the image, not your imaginative organ directly.

You sure Atkinson doesn't say that in Mind Power: The Secret of Mental Magic?

Is there such a thing as orgone energy or some kind of mental energy that responds to and is shaped by intentions? Because Atkinson talks about that in the Vril book and in other parts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoM03ZR-yCQ&list=PLYmXy0mNMNiNxDS1mAqLahg_gxzIpKLSG&index=8

I am still going to compile everything Atkinson has to say about this I think he covers everything that is pertinent to the subject and if it doesn't then I'll take everything he wrote and then add in the last bits of the puzzle and release it in a document that will be written for brevity, conciseness, and clarity to get the point across.

>>136689

>I need copies of those books.

You don't. One book is very recent and they probably won't share it yet. It's also part 2 of a trilogy so you can expect another "read this book, it explains everything" post next year. Not to be rude at all, just cynic.

>>136690

I got a feeling we might have some grifters here on /fringe/ that are mad about Atkinson because all his works are in the public domain and just tell people freely what they need to know. Look at what was posted here: >>136680

This guy wants money. Lots of it. Charging who knows how many people $49 a month for his lessons and putting any knowledge he has behind paywalls aside from a few demonstration videos on youtube. That automatically makes him suspect; even if he is not outright a charlatan this type of behavior is what you see in people who are at a very low stage of spiritual unfoldment or development. Even Wim Hof, though he has become very good at what he does, his writings are retarded and he clearly isn't the philosophic type that actually understands what he's doing. There's quite a few idiot psychics like this though throughout history, one example being Peter Hurkos. Peter Hurkos has no clue what he was doing but was certainly gifted. Anyways I'm getting sidetracked.

My point I'm trying to get at is maybe the guy in that video there is posting here and hoping by exposure he might get some people throwing some money his way. There also might be authors of these vampire books or whatever that have become a fad on here posting here hoping to make money too. I don't discard what people have to say because of these things but my suspicion about them certainly deepens. I can see a potential (greed) motive here for the baseless attacks on William Walker Atkinson and the shilling of various people and books that are all asking for money and not sharing anything freely.

>>136690

Well I will get a good idea if these are scholarly occultists with a good grasp on what they are doing and a gift for articulation or a bunch of dunces from reading whatever books are currently out, provided an anon can give a link to any of them.

>>136689

>I'll take everything he wrote and then add in the last bits of the puzzle and release it in a document that will be written for brevity, conciseness, and clarity

Actually looking forward to tthat

>I need copies of those books

https://1lib.eu/book/4978314/29d6e1

https://1lib.eu/book/5631397/ff5899

I wouldn't be surprised if he was the one uploading them there, because he's not that popular.

>>136698

Thanks, I didn't expect that.

>I wouldn't be surprised if he was the one uploading them there, because he's not that popular.

Why? Isn't it the unpopular ones that are losing out on profit the most from unauthorized distribution/piracy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gtNvS4SSCU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochelle_Goldberg

>>136698

Got em' (in ePub form).

Man I've been non-stop researching for days now and my butt hurts from too much sitting. I probably should take a break for a day but I'm so motivated about what I'm doing right now.

>>136701

I bought two copies of The Kybalion despite having a ton of PDFs and audiobooks of it because I appreciated it that much. If people really value his work (after reading it) and can afford it they will probably want it in paperback or hardcover.

>>136701

I don't know him because he's very secretive about his identity, but from what I've been able to gather, it's an older man who has "made it" in terms of money, so he would be writing out of passion rather than looking for profit.

Baron Karl von Reichenbach is where Franz Bardon got the term "Od" from. So he is the one to study in order to understand what Franz Bardon means by "Od". I am not sure if Rawn Clark is cognizant of this fact?

> According to Votavova, Bardon’s prior past life was as Mahum Tah-ta, a Tibetan wise man who lived in the mountains. He also was connected to Apollonius of Tyana, hermes Trismegistus, Lao Tzu (see I CHING), Robert Fludd, Nostradamus, and Comte de Saint Germain. According to Ruggeberg, two portraits in the book, of Hermes Trismegistus and Lao Tzu, were painted by Bardon with the help of a magic mirror.

I guess these should all be counted as "influences on Franz Bardon".

https://occult-world.com/bardon-franz/

>>136774

>There are a lot of clues in that part of the book and there seems to be a relationship between this energy and orgone energy

Yes. That's the value of that book. That an perhaps some references to other books.

There's a Japanese fellow that can put animals to sleep; he also operates under an energy framework (chi/ki specifically). Putting the animals to sleep is just a side gig for him -his primary interest is healing- but he has demonstrated the ability to put animals to sleep consistently so I'm inclined to believe he's legit. He has a book where he talks about his ideas around the whole thing and he gives a couple of exercises for you to learn some energy work, etc. If anyone's interested I can upload the book.

>>136782

>If anyone's interested I can upload the book.

Please do.

>>136782

This guy has some videos practicing the same concept on animals.

>If anyone's interested I can upload the book

I'm interested, too.

8kun archives are now backed up at https://fringebay.com/archive/static/8kun

They will be updated from time to time in case this site diseappears.

>>136785

>>136784

I can't attach an epub apparently, so I took the liberty of uploading it to LibGen -might as well make it available to everyone on the internet:

https://library.bz/main/uploads/64220F833CEC2CEF5AD9BE9AE526B6E7

>>136787

Thanks

>>136787

A better link: http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=64220F833CEC2CEF5AD9BE9AE526B6E7

>>136807

>in North American Indiandialects it is kukini, orenda, wakonda or manitou

>wakonda

lol the black nationalist ethnostate is based on a Native American word and not an African word

>>136809

I saw that word and made the same observation, reading something entirely different, only a day or two ago.

Posted a local ad to see if I can find any energy workers in my local area to get notes from or learn from.

Already got two replies from people wanting to help, good.

I still can't figure out how to intentionally cultivate and store lots of the vital energy. It seems like at best I get an automatic supply of it and can just patch the leaks.

http://papimi.gr/

This site is mentioned in the Magus of Java and looks promising.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pap-Ion_Magnetic_Inductor

Pap-Ion Magnetic Inductor (PAP-IMI or Papimi) is an electromagnetic "energy medicine" device manufactured in Athens. It was invented by Panos Pappas, a Greek mathematician.[1] Proponents claim that the pulsed electromagnetic waves or fields generated by the device have pain relieving properties, cure AIDS, cancer and reduce grey hair and wrinkles.[1] It is also purported to have rapid healing effects, and benefit chronic fatigue, allergies, and fractured bones, among other health problems.[2][3]

It has been described as "potentially dangerous" as it may be used in place of valid medical therapies,[2] and "a major health fraud".[4]

It is illegal for use in the United States due to lack of Food and Drug Administration approval.[5][6] Health Canada has issued a recommendation for the public to avoid use of these risky, unlicensed devices, and has ordered the Canada Border Services Agency to seize them upon attempted import into the country.[7] Actor Dan Haggerty has appeared in commercial endorsements for the device, although there is no evidence he was aware of the legal and ethical problems associated with it at the time he agreed to endorse it.[5] Although importation of the device to the US is illegal, a number of machines were imported under fraudulent descriptions.[8][9]

Dear Chairmen and Ranking Members:

An exposé published over last several days in the Seattle Times (see attached articles) found “a global network of manufacturers who sell unproven devices, and unlicensed practitioners who prey on unsuspecting patients.” It reported a growing practice of exploiting the uncertainty surrounding so-called energy medicine, a type of alternative treatment that manipulates the body’s energy fields to cure disease and improve health, and the desperation of those suffering from chronic and life-threatening illnesses to profit from the use of unapproved and potentially deadly devices.

An article published as part of the Seattle Times series has brought to my attention one particular unproven and potentially dangerous energy-medicine treatment currently being used in my home state of Washington and at least four other states. The so-called the Pap-Ion Magnetic Inductor (PAP-IMI), which has never been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), claims to pulse the body with electromagnetic waves, has been marketed as a rapid-healing machine to patients suffering cancer, AIDS, chronic fatigue and allergies, among other health problems.

According to the report, inventors of PAP-IMI were denied FDA approval in 1995, but have exploited the rules governing clinical trials for devices to treat U.S. patients with almost no oversight. The piece described how unlicensed operators used the unproven device on patients, including infants and seniors, during a supposed multi-site clinical trial; how patients were not properly informed and even mislead about the device’s safety and efficacy; how two Floridians died just days after getting PAP-IMI treatments in 2002; and, how the head of the PAP-IMI operation, found a second IRB to continue his clinical trial, where he continued to offer for-profit services from an unapproved use of the device for diagnosis and treatment.

This is one of several examples uncovered by the Seattle Times. I fear these may be the tip of the iceberg when it comes to deadly scams aimed at vulnerable Americans who are sick and holding out hope for a cure to what ails them. Moreover, I feel that the investigative work started by the Seattle Times raises additional questions about resources for compliance enforcement and oversight at the FDA, oversight of the Institutional Review Boards (IRB) that govern clinical trials for such devices as well as drugs, and oversight and accreditation of unlicensed-medical practitioners.

As a member of the House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, which has the responsibility for oversight of FDA, I urge the panel to investigate these troubling claims, especially:

1) If FDA has adequate inspection and enforcement tools to locate manufacturing and distribution networks selling and/or operating non-FDA approved devices for various therapeutic outcomes;

2) What options does the FDA have to combat overseas exports of unapproved devices, and what legal actions can be pursued against overseas purveyors of devices that flagrantly have ignored FDA’s approval standards;

3) If rules for clinical trials and IRB’s need to be strengthened, particularly with regards to adverse event reporting, FDA oversight of IRB’s, and possible statutory or regulatory changes needed to prevent IRB shopping as exhibited in this case;

4) If there should be a consolidation of IRB oversight in one office versus splitting it between the Office of Human Research Protections (OHRP) and the FDA as is the case currently;

5) If tools for enforcement and oversight of unlicensed professionals need to be increased at the federal and state level, including the accreditation system alternative medicine practitioners;

6) If penalties for failing to inform patients about risks or report deaths need to be increased;

7) If other unsafe, unproven medical devices are being used on American patients.

Americans with serious or life-threatening illnesses should have the option of turning to alternative or experimental therapies. We must ensure that the FDA has procedures to weed out cases of snake-oil peddlers who recklessly risk the safety and lives of patients. I hope the committee will take immediate action to investigate and protect American patients.

Sincerely,

JAY INSLEE

Member of Congress

https://web.archive.org/web/20091009125448/http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/wa01_inslee/medicaldevices.shtml

>well, guess that's bullshit

If you have to buy something, buy a Hyper Dimensional Resonator by Steven Gibbs.

I think I give up on trying to understand what Vril is for now. It is enough to know what it does; vitalizes the whole body and thoughts, and to use intention while breathing, eating, etc. to draw it in. Unless someone can point me the right way, I don't know what to read any further on the topic.

>>137019

It's the same thing as vital energy or ki. Read Energy Work by Robert Bruce and Initiation into Hermetics by Franz Bardon.

>>137021

>telling him to read books he already read and put in his library

>>137031

>that filename

Experiencing some synchs here. I think I know who you are but I don't want to break rule 5 and identify you.

>>137034

I just re-discovered this new board, used to post when it was halfchan and attended some Melb /fringe/ meetups.

Is it who you think it is?

Just wanted to drop in and say that the "vital force" described in art and science of personal magnetism is ATP, it wasn't discovered till 1929 so it didn't have a name when the book was written. The intelligent will know what to do with this little PSA.

https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-1067/adenosine

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3483284/

https://gnosticwarrior.com/alpha-and-omega.html

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/ultimate-energy-producing-supplement-eliminating-fatigue/id1451896717?i=1000434512647

???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMklbwPPYUg

>>137139

>bullshit occultism

Vril

You carry the heritage of the earliest wielders of magic, the mysterious vril masters. Your parents bound your head to optimize the shape of your skull for remarkable mental abilities; thus, you can manipulate the powerful life force known as vril.

Class Skill: Knowledge (history).

Bonus Spells: hypnotism (3rd), levitate (5th), vril feedback (7th), confusion (9th), telekinesis (11th), mass suggestion (13th), grasping hand (15th), clenched fist (17th), crushing hand (19th).

Bonus Feats: Combat Casting, Persuasive, Iron Will, Skill Focus (Knowledge [arcana]), Silent Spell, Spell Penetration, Still Spell, Vril Amplification, Vril Healer, Vril Maneuverist, Vril Metabolist, Vril Metamagician, Vril Sculptor.

Bloodline Arcana: Whenever you cast a spell of the compulsion subschool, increase the spell’s DC by +2.

Bloodline Powers: While your oblong skull gives you an unusual appearance, you can draw power from the world around you to manipulate the actions of others and move objects and creatures with the power of your mind.

Mind Shield (Su)

Starting at 1st level, you generate a mental shield around your body that protects you from physical attack. As a swift action, you gain a +1 deflection bonus to AC for 1 round. This increases by +1 for every five sorcerer levels you possess, to a maximum of +5 at 20th level. You may do this a number of times per day equal to 3 + your Charisma modifier.

Telepathy (Su)

Starting at 3rd level, you can communicate telepathically with any creature within a range of 30 ft. This range increases by 10 ft. every three levels, to a maximum range of 180 ft. at 18th level. You can use this ability a number of rounds per day equal to your level. These rounds do not need to be consecutive.

Invisible Hand (Su)

At 9th level, you can project a 30-ft. cone of force as a standard action that acts as a bull rush against all creatures in the area. Your CMB for this bull rush is equal to your caster level plus your Charisma modifier. This bull rush does not provoke an attack of opportunity, and spell resistance does not apply against this ability. You may do this 2/day at 13th level and 3/day at 17th level.

Imposition of Will (Sp)

At 15th level, if you still have an uncast spell of at least 5th level you may give up that spell to cast dominate person instead. At 19th level, you may give up an uncast spell of 8th level or higher to cast dominate monster.

Dominator (Su)

At 20th level, your mental powers reach their zenith. You can cast any spell you know using the Silent Spell and Still Spell feats without increasing its caster level 1/day. Also, you gain a +4 racial bonus to resist enchantments and mind-affecting effects, and when you cast a spell from the compulsion subschool, you increase its DC by a total of +4.

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer/bloodlines/bloodlines-from-3rd-party-publishers/kobold-press-bloodlines/vril-bloodline/

Anyone have a link to the costa books?>>136574

I found a couple of gems in this book: http://www.yogebooks.com/english/atkinson/1911vril.pdf

>But we are only indirectly concerned with the question of “what kind of food.” Our principal concern in this book is rather “how food should be eaten.” The ancient occultists laid great stress upon the importance of the proper mastication of food, and modern science is becoming very much interested in the subject. In actual practice the old occultists practised many of the fundamental principles that are found in the modern popular theory called “Fletcherism,” except that they did not carry the matter to such an extreme as some of the modern teachers on the subject. The ancient teachers held that all food should be thoroughly masticated until it was reduced to a pulp and was then almost unconsciously swallowed. They carried this to such an extent that they even followed the plan of mastication when a mouthful of milk was taken, and when the softest foods were placed in the mouth. They did not have the knowledge of the chemistry of foods possessed by modern science, but their experience taught them that food masticated in this way gave the greatest nourishment, and, what to them was equally important, that in this way the nerve-ends of the tongue and mouth absorbed a supply of concentrated Vril from the food. They held that the nerves of the tongue and mouth alone were capable of performing this office, and that after the food passed down the throat there was no possibility of the absorption of Vril from it.The ancient occultists held that so long as there remains “taste” in the mouthful of food, there is Vril to be found in it. When the “taste” disappears, the Vril has been absorbed. Consequently they ate slowly, and masticated each mouthful carefully so as to extract the greatest amount of “taste” from it. They claimed that this method of eating not only served to extract the largest amount of Vril from the food, but also gave to the person eating it the fullest epicurean pleasure.

And

>It was one of the favorite theories of the ancient occultists that all “sex foods” contain more Vril than other classes of food. By “sex foods” is meant such animal or vegetable products as contain either the reproductive cell or seed, or else serve to nourish the young animal or plant. In the first mentioned class we find eggs, nuts, fruits, grain, corn, berries, which contain the “seed” of reproductive life. In the second class we have milk, cream, butter, the fruit-juices, syrups. The theory was that nature gave in concentrated form the Vril needed by the young growing animal or plant.

The second one I actually got it last year in the form of gnosis.

I did try to eat by extracting its energy by chewing until no taste is left and I noticed I became sated in roughly the same amount of time I would normally spend swallowing food, except having eaten much, much less actual matter.

I've speculated for a long time that chronically fat people might be trying to compensate for a deficient absorption of energy, but I didn't know why. This might be it.

I don't share Atkinson's theory regarding the nerves. I think the key is in the etheric body having a major "input port" in the mouth area. Whatever the case may be, it works. I will continue experimenting.

>>137202

Bless you, may your days be many and Vrilsome.

>>137202

>there's a second book for me to read

Hmmm.

I received a huge email from Tom Montalk on this topic btw but I still have to read through it all and I've been so busy this week.

Hi,

Going back through old emails I missed. Just saw the one about Vril.

Well, vril is just one name for it, right? So there’s also:

- orgone

- odic rays

https://borderlandsciences.org/project/od/article/Vassilatos_on_Reichenbach_Odic.html

- qi/chi energy

Check this out:

https://ia800803.us.archive.org/9/items/JPRSL502226September1974ProceedingsOfTheFirstConferenceOnPsychotronicResearchPartII/JPRS%20L5022-2%206%20September%201974%20Proceedings%20of%20the%20First%20Conference%20on%20Psychotronic%20Research%20Part%20II.pdf

P.221 of document: “Points of High Electrical Conductivity on the Integument (skin) of Animals and Other Living Things.” 1973 paper by Yevgeniy Mikhaylovich Pyatkin, a Russian scientist. His team measured the electrical conductivity of various points on the skin of farm animals and found that they correspond to Chinese acupuncture charts of the human body. Further, there were some additional points that weren’t on the charts, and a few that were missing in certain animals. Testing on a dead animal, none of the points registered as being conductive, so they were inactive. Similarly in sick animals, even though they were alive, many of the conductive points were absent. This shows that we are bio-electric beings, or that our subtle energy field has electrical properties as a side-effect that can be measured, and that acupuncturists from centuries ago somehow knew of these key points.

P. 225: “Man-Plant Communication Experiments” Marcel Vogel, IBM senior chemist. Vogel experimented with plants being able to pick up on human thoughts and emotions. For it to work, he found that the plant needed to be acclimated to its environment (the lab space) for a week or more. Further, the experimenter must intentionally emit his subtle / qi energy into the plant. And then, he must quieten himself and focus his intention – any erratic thought, distracted thought, etc. would interfere with the results. The more controlled his thoughts and emotions, the better the results. A polygraph-style device was used to monitor the plant through direct contact with its leaves. The experimenter was able to influence the plant from up to 110 miles away just by focusing his consciousness on the plant.

P 354. “Unusual States of Consciousness” Dr Viola P. Neal, President of the Higher Sense Perception Research Foundation. She mentions the phenomenon of people attending “night classes” in hypnagogic states of awareness. That is, they are not fully awake, not fully asleep, but can divide their consciousness between their bedrooms and another dimension where they’re in a classroom with other people and a lecture being given on various subjects with information that does not exist (yet) in our world. These classes are vivid, logical, and can be recalled the next morning if the person is skilled enough. If they don’t recall what was said, the info may still percolate up and through their consciousness in their daily activities as inspiration that came from somewhere else. Sometimes, people who recognize each other there, end up finding and recognizing each other here in this dimension. Also see this article which has more info, including Neal’s own night class experiences, including one where she was taught that the caudate nucleus (part of the brain) is important for advanced psychic abilities. And see this video on YouTube for a meditation that trains it, the key being somatic consciousness, or awareness of your own body (and presumably the space surrounding it, per Richard’s Meditation).

>>137254

https://ia800400.us.archive.org/19/items/CIA-RDP96-00792R000200040001-1/CIA-RDP96-00792R000200040001-1.pdf - Chinese Journal of Somatic Science, Volume 1 No. 1. July 1990.

P. 41 of document. “Research into Paranormal Ability to Break Through Spatial Barriers”. Song Kongzhi, Li Xianggao, Zhou Liangzhong. Aerospace Medicine Engineering Institute.

In 1983 and 1984, the famous psychic Zhang Baosheng was tested in a series of very rigorous experiments. He was tasked with removing pills, photographic paper rolls, coiled wire, a metal washer, and coded/colored sticks of plexiglass that could not be forged, from glass sealed bottles, glass sealed tubes, and a wax-sealed plastic bottle.. The glass bottles and tubes were sealed by heating and pinching together the opening but leaving a tiny slit. The slit was much smaller than any of the objects that were to be removed. Somehow, the slit needed to be there for it to work, even though the objects were to emerge elsewhere from the wall. Since it was glass, there was no way to break the bottle and remove the contents and put it back together, so if the objects were removed, they could only be done so through paranormal powers. High speed cameras at 400 fps, 600fps, and 1000fps were running during the tests at multiple angles.

Results: objects were successfully removed, either whole (in the case of photographic film, washer, pills, plexiglass sticks) or partially (in the case of the coiled wire). One of the pills was caught on high speed film exiting the bottom corner of a glass bottle quickly (as fast as a human running). No sign of hole, slit, or damage was observed afterward on that part of the bottle. The high speed frames show it partially emerging from the glass. Likewise, the photographic film roll is seen pushing against and then emerging from the lower part of the bottle’s sidewall and land on the table surface all in less than ¼ of a second (speed was 30 cm per second). In the coiled wire experiment, the wire moved downward as the fingers somehow ‘pinched and dragged it’ through the glass from the outside. Only about 5 turns of the coil of wire were pulled through the glass before the experiment ended. But without PK power, this simply would not have been possible.

In another series of experiments (p 32 of this document) Zhang Baosheng was tasked with moving objects out of, and into, a large sealed cabinet greater than 1 cubic meter volume. He succeeded in moving pieces of plywood, a calculator, a magazine, and a folder of papers one page at a time. However, most of the trials failed and he was straining a lot more than previous experiments. This shows there was a size limit to the container and size of objects.

https://ia601204.us.archive.org/32/items/CIA-RDP96-00792R000400290002-1/CIA-RDP96-00792R000400290002-1.pdf - Chinese Journal of Somatic Science, Volume 1 No. 2. July 1991.

P. 18 of document. “Research in Restoring a Broken Leaf through ESP”. Wang Chongyuan et al. Bai Qiuen Medical University.

Li Zhanru, a 19 year old female known to have paranormal powers, was tested on her ability to mend a ripped apart leaf back together. This test was conducted three times in different conditions. In all three cases she succeeded. The experiment process went as follows: a pittosporum leaf was torn in 2 pieces and placed into her hands. She held it in her fist and after 5-25 minutes she gave notice that she “felt” something (her abilities activated). When the hand was opened, the leaf was back together. The leaf was then analyzed under microscopes to see what exactly happened. Analysis showed that not all parts of the tear were mended, but the parts that were, were mended perfectly. That is, the veins of the leaf and tissues were joined perfectly together as if nothing happened. The thinner parts of the leaves were mended in greater concentration than the thicker parts, as if the process was aborted before finishing. But no doubt, the mended areas were healed at the cellular level.

https://ia801204.us.archive.org/27/items/CIA-RDP96-00792R000300020002-1/CIA-RDP96-00792R000300020002-1.pdf - Chinese Journal of Somatic Science, Volume 1 No. 4. August 1991.

P. 43 of document. “Preliminary Investigation of Implicit Space and Implicit Matter.” Shao Guangda, Huang Yawei, Yan lin.

The authors propose that ESP/PK has the ability to take explicit matter in explicit space (explicit meaning ordinary world we know, manifested) and ‘excite’ it into implicit matter in implicit space (hidden). They point to several examples of how matter behaves when in the implicit state.

Little Hong was tasked with removing a letter from a sealed envelope. 8 minutes later she said it had been transferred to the folds of a blanket nearby. Researchers checked but did not see it. Another subject, Little Ping, said the letter was indeed in the blanket. They checked and sure enough it was there. Researchers theorized that the first time they checked, the letter was still in the implicit state, hence could not be seen. It manifested into the explicit state by the time the second girl pointed it out.

In another experiment, a subject was asked to remove 6 cigarettes from a sealed pack. All six disappeared from the pack, and he was able to catch 2 of them. The others were still missing. A month later, in the same room during another experiment, he caught 2 more. The remaining 2 never showed up and were assumed to be lost in the implicit state.

In a related experiment, all 20 cigarettes in a pack were tied together with string. The subject was not told this. When he attempted to extract just one, all 20 came out along with it. So even in the implicit state, the cigarettes maintained their physical form and connection.

When the psychic ‘sees’ the objects in their implicit state, it’s done through clairvoyant vision and for example a cigarette might be a short thick white light.

Little Yun was known for being able to pluck flowers from a distance. One day she saw her dad shaving and thought why not use a knife to cut the flowers instead of just ripping them. The subsequent flowers showed signs of being cut not plucked.

Little Hong extracted a cigarette from a pack and made it appear inside a transparent plastic box, but when it appeared it was standing on its end, vibrating, and giving off a humming noise. Researchers theorized that implicit matter has a certain vibration and frequency to it.

(NOTE: implicit matter like this might just as well be a slip into a 4th spatial dimension).

>>137256

Implicate and explicate orders

https://www.anomalistik.de/images/pdf/zfa/zfa2019_12_012_marwaha_may.pdf

bump for someone to actually reveal properly the details of what vril is

>>137599

"What is vril?" I asked.

Therewith Zee began to enter into an explanation of which I understood very little, for there is no word in any language I know which is an exact synonym for vril. I should call it electricity, except that it comprehends in its manifold branches other forces of nature, to which, in our scientific nomenclature, differing names are assigned, such as magnetism, galvanism, &c. These people consider that in vril they have arrived at the unity in natural energic agencies, which has been conjectured by many philosophers above ground, and which Faraday thus intimates under the more cautious term of correlation:–

"I have long held an opinion," says that illustrious experimentalist, "almost amounting to a conviction, in common, I believe, with many other lovers of natural knowledge, that the various forms under which the forces of matter are made manifest have one common origin; or, in other words, are so directly related and mutually dependent, that they are convertible, as it were, into one another, and possess equivalents of power in their action."

>>137601

These subterranean philosophers assert that, by one operation of vril, which Faraday would perhaps call `atmospheric magnetism,' they can influence the variations of temperaturein plain words, the weather; that by other operations, akin to those ascribed to mesmerism, electro-biology, odic force, &c., but applied scientifically through vril conductors, they can exercise influence over minds, and bodies animal and vegetable, to an extent not surpassed in the romances of our mystics. To all such agencies they give the common name of vril. Zee asked me if, in my world, it was not known that all the faculties of the mind could be quickened to a degree unknown in the waking state, by trance or vision, in which the thoughts of one brain could be transmitted to another, and knowledge be thus rapidly interchanged. I replied, that there were among us stories told of such trance or vision, and that I had heard much and seen something of the mode in which they were artificially effected, as in mesmeric clairvoyance; but that these practices had fallen much into disuse or contempt, partly because of the gross impostures to which they had been made subservient, and partly because, even where the effects upon certain abnormal constitutions were genuinely produced, the effects, when fairly examined and analysed, were very unsatisfactorynot to be relied upon for any systematic truthfulness or any practical purpose, and rendered very mischievous to credulous persons by the superstitions they tended to produce. Zee received my answers with much benignant attention, and said that similar instances of abuse and credulity had been familiar to their own scientific experience in the infancy of their knowledge, and while the properties of vril were misapprehended, but that she reserved further discussion on this subject till I was more fitted to enter into it. She contented herself with adding, that it was through the agency of vril, while I had been placed in the state of trance, that I had been made acquainted with the rudiments of their language; and that she and her father, who, alone of the family, took the pains to watch the experiment, had acquired a greater proportionate knowledge of my language than I of their own; partly because my language was much simpler than theirs, comprising far less of complex ideas; and partly because their organisation was, by hereditary culture, much more ductile and more readily capable of acquiring knowledge than mine. At this I secretly demurred; and having had, in the course of a practical life, to sharpen my wits, whether at home or in travel, I could not allow that my cerebral organisation could possibly be duller than that of people who had lived all their lives by lamplight. However, while I was thus thinking, Zee quietly pointed her forefinger at my forehead and sent me to sleep.

>>137602

According to the account I received from Zee, who, as an erudite professor in the College of Sages, had studied such matters more diligently than any other member of my host's family, this fluid is capable of being raised and disciplined into the mightiest agency over all forms of matter, animate or inanimate. It can destroy like the flash of lightning; yet, differently applied, it can replenish or invigorate life, heal, and preserve, and on it they chiefly rely for the cure of disease, or rather for enabling the physical organisation to re-establish the due equilibrium of its natural powers, and thereby to cure itself. By this agency they rend way through the most solid substances, and open valleys for culture through the rocks of their subterranean wilderness. From it they extract the light which supplies their lamps, finding it steadier, softer, and healthier than the other inflammable materials they had formerly used.

But the effects of the alleged discovery of the means to direct the more terrible force of vril were chiefly remarkable in their influence upon social polity. As these effects became familiarly known and skilfully administered, war between the Vril-discoverers ceased, for they brought the art of destruction to such perfection as to annul all superiority in numbers, discipline, or military skill. The fire lodged in the hollow of a rod directed by the hand of a child could shatter the strongest fortress, or cleave its burning way from the van to the rear of an embattled host. If army met army, and both had command of this agency, it could be but to the annihilation of each. The age of war was therefore gone, but with the cessation of war other effects bearing upon the social state soon became apparent. Man was so completely at the mercy of man, each whom he encountered being able, if so willing, to slay him on the instant, that all notions of government by force gradually vanished from political systems and forms of law. It is only by force that vast communities, dispersed through great distances of space, can be kept together; but now there was no longer either the necessity of self-preservation or the pride of aggrandisement to make one state desire to preponderate in population over another.

>>137603

THIS people have a religion, and, whatever may be said against it, at least it has these strange peculiarities: firstly, that they all believe in the creed they profess; secondly, that they all practise the precepts which the creed inculcates. They unite in the worship of the one divine Creator and Sustainer of the universe. They believe that it is one of the properties of the all-permeating agency of vril, to transmit to the well-spring of life and intelligence every thought that a living creature can conceive; and though they do not contend that the idea of a Deity is innate, yet they say that the An (man) is the only creature, so far as their observation of nature extends, to whom the capacity of conceiving that idea, with all the trains of thought which open out from it, is vouchsafed. They hold that this capacity is a privilege that cannot have been given in vain, and hence that prayer and thanksgiving are acceptable to the divine Creator, and necessary to the complete development of the human creature. They offer their devotions both in private and public. Not being considered one of their species, I was not admitted into the building or temple in which the public worship is rendered; but I am informed that the service is exceedingly short, and unattended with any pomp of ceremony. It is a doctrine with the Vril-ya, that earnest devotion or complete abstraction from the actual world cannot, with benefit to itself, be maintained long at a stretch by the human mind, especially in public, and that all attempts to do so either lead to fanaticism or to hypocrisy. When they pray in private, it is when they are alone or with their young children.

They say that in ancient times there was a great number of books written upon speculations as to the nature of the Deity, and upon the forms of belief or worship supposed to be most agreeable to Him. But these were found to lead to such heated and angry disputations as not only to shake the peace of the community and divide families before the most united, but in the course of discussing the attributes of the Deity, the existence of the Deity Himself became argued away, or, what was worse, became invested with the passions and infirmities of the human disputants. "For," said my host, "since a finite being like an An cannot possibly define the Infinite, so, when he endeavours to realise an idea of the Divinity, he only reduces the Divinity into an An like himself." During the later ages, therefore, all theological speculations, though not forbidden, have been so discouraged as to have fallen utterly into disuse.

The Yril-ya unite in a conviction of a future state, more felicitous and more perfect than the present. If they have very vague notions of the doctrine of rewards and punishments, it is perhaps because they have no systems of rewards and punishments among themselves, for there are no crimes to punish, and their moral standard is so even that no An among them is, upon the whole, considered more virtuous than another. If one excels, perhaps, in one virtue, another equally excels in some other virtue; if one has his prevalent fault or infirmity, so also another has his. In fact, in their extraordinary mode of life, there are so few temptations to wrong, that they are good (according to their notions of goodness) merely because they live. They have some fanciful notions upon the continuance of life, when once bestowed, even in the vegetable world, as the reader will see in the next chapter.

>>137604

I HAVE spoken so much of the Vril Staff that my reader may expect me to describe it. This I cannot do accurately, for I was never allowed to handle it for fear of some terrible accident occasioned by my ignorance of its use. It is hollow, and has in the handle several stops, keys, or springs by which its force can be altered, modified, or directedso that by one process it destroys, by another it healsby one it can rend the rock, by another disperse the vapourby one it affects bodies, by another it can exercise a certain influence over minds. It is usually carried in the convenient size of a walking-staff, but it has slides by which it can be lengthened or shortened at will. When used for special purposes, the upper part rests in the hollow of the palm, with the fore and middle fingers protruded. I was assured, however, that its power was not equal in all, but proportioned to the amount of certain vril properties in the wearer, in affinity, or rapport, with the purposes to be effected. Some were more potent to destroy, others to heal, &c.; much also depended on the calm and steadiness of volition in the manipulator. They assert that the full exercise of vril power can only be acquired by constitutional temperamenti.e., by hereditarily transmitted organisation–and that a female infant of four years old belonging to the Vril-ya races can accomplish feats with the wand placed for the first time in her hand, which a life spent in its practice would not enable the strongest and most skilled mechanician, born out of the pale of the Vril-ya, to achieve. All these wands are not equally complicated; those entrusted to children are much simpler than those borne by sages of either sex, and constructed with a view to the special object in which the children are employed; which, as I have before said, is among the youngest children the most destructive. In the wands of wives and mothers the correlative destroying force is usually abstracted, the healing power fully charged. I wish I could say more in detail of this singular conductor of the vril fluid, but its machinery is as exquisite as its effects are marvellous.

I should say, however, that this people have invented certain tubes by which the vril fluid can be conducted towards the object it is meant to destroy, throughout a distance almost indefinite; at least I put it modestly when I say from 500 to 600 miles. And their mathematical science as applied to such purpose is so nicely accurate, that on the report of some observer in an air-boat, any member of the vril department can estimate unerringly the nature of intervening obstacles, the height to which the projectile instrument should be raised, and the extent to which it should be charged, so as to reduce to ashes within a space of time too short for me to venture to specify it, a capital twice as vast as London.

>>137605

I went with my host and his daughter Zee over the great public museum, which occupies a wing in the College of Sages, and in which are hoarded, as curious specimens of the ignorant and blundering experiments of ancient times, many contrivances on which we pride ourselves as recent achievements. In one department, carelessly thrown aside as obsolete lumber are tubes for destroying life by metallic balls and an inflammable powder, on the principle of our cannons and catapults, and even still more murderous than our latest improvements.

My host spoke of these with a smile of contempt, such as an artillery officer might bestow on the bows and arrows of the Chinese. In another department there were models of vehicles and vessels worked by steam, and of a balloon which might have been constructed by Montgolfier. "Such," said Zee, with an air of meditative wisdom–"such were the feeble triflings with nature of our savage forefathers, ere they had even a glimmering perception of the properties of vril!"

This young Gy was a magnificent specimen of the muscular force to which the females of her country attain. Her features were beautiful, like those of all her race: never in the upper world have I seen a face so grand and so faultless, but her devotion to the severer studies had given to her countenance an expression of abstract thought which rendered it somewhat stern when in repose; and such sternness became formidable when observed in connection with her ample shoulders and lofty stature. She was tall even for a Gy, and I saw her lift up a cannon as easily as I could lift a pocket-pistol. Zee inspired me with a profound terror–a terror which increased when we came into a department of the museum appropriated to models of contrivances worked by the agency of vril; for here, merely by a certain play of her vril staff, she herself standing at a distance, she put into movement large and weighty substances. She seemed to endow them with intelligence, and to make them comprehend and obey her command. She set complicated pieces of machinery into movement, arrested the movement or continued it, until, within an incredibly short time, various kinds of raw material were reproduced as symmetrical works of art, complete and perfect. Whatever effect mesmerism or electro-biology produces over the nerves and muscles of animated objects, this young Gy produced by the motions of her slender rod over the springs and wheels of lifeless mechanism.

>>137606

When I mentioned to my companions my astonishment at this influence over inanimate matterwhile owning that in our world, I had witnessed phenomena which showed that over certain living organisations certain other living organisations could establish an influence genuine in itself, but often exaggerated by credulity or craftZee, who was more interested in such subjects than her father, bade me stretch forth my hand, and then, placing her own beside it, she called my attention to certain distinctions of type and character. In the first place, the thumb of the Gy (and, as I afterwards noticed, of all that race, male or female) was much larger, at once longer and more massive, than is found with our species above ground. There is almost, in this, as great a difference as there is between the thumb of a man and that of a gorilla. Secondly, the palm is proportionately thicker than oursthe texture of the skin infinitely finer and softerits average warmth is greater. More remarkable than all this, is a visible nerve, perceptible under the skin, which starts from the wrist skirting the ball of the thumb, and branching, fork-like, at the roots of the fore and middle fingers. "With your slight formation of thumb," said the philosophical young Gy, "and with the absence of the nerve which you find more or less developed in the hands of our race, you can never achieve other than imperfect and feeble power over the agency of vril; but so far as the nerve is concerned, that is not found in the hands of our earliest progenitors, nor in those of the ruder tribes without the pale of the Vril-ya. It has been slowly developed in the course of generations, commencing in the early achievements, and increasing with the continuous exercise, of the vril power; therefore, in the course of one or two thousand years, such a nerve may possibly be engendered in those higher beings of your race, who devote themselves to that paramount science through which is attained command over all the subtler forces of nature permeated by vril. But when you talk of matter as something in itself inert and motionless, your parents or tutors surely cannot have left you so ignorant as not to know that no form of matter is motionless and inert: every particle is constantly in motion and constantly acted upon by agencies, of which heat is the most apparent and rapid, but vril the most subtle, and, when skilfully wielded, the most powerful. So that, in fact, the current launched by my hand and guided by my will does but render quicker and more potent the action which is eternally at work upon every particle of matter, however inert and stubborn it may seem. If a heap of metal be not capable of originating a thought of its own, yet, through its internal susceptibility to movement, it obtains the power to receive the thought of the intellectual agent at work on it; and which, when conveyed with a sufficient force of the vril power, it is as much compelled to obey as if it were displaced by a visible bodily force. It is animated for the time being by the soul thus infused into it, so that one may almost say that it lives and it reasons. Without this we could not make our automata supply the place of servants."

I was too much in awe of the thews and the learning of the young Gy to hazard the risk of arguing with her. I had read somewhere in my schoolboy days that a wise man, disputing with a Roman emperor, suddenly drew in his horns; and when the emperor asked him whether he had nothing further to say on his side of the question, replied, "Nay, Cæsar, there is no arguing against a reasoner who commands twenty-five legions."

>>136668

As a reiki master I can confirm that happens. Some people also report a tingling projected outward from the hands, sort of like static electricity.