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You are right. This makes you really see how much cucked and blue pilled /pol/tards really are since they do nothing else but whine about having children and how mgtow is a jew psyop. Also some of their leader faggots like Varg really go out of their way to be extremely cucked and pathetic and worship placentas. It's disgusting.

Anyway, the man of real wisdom and intelligence will always realize that monkhood and renouncing matter and the pleasure of the flesh is the true way to go. Mgtow is just a lower level manifestation of that. Some men will even be antinatalists who at a lower level will believe that having children is not good, and at a higher level will believe that even being alive in the mundane physical world is no good and that death as soon as possible is the desired way.

And since 99% of all "men" out there are cucked children who babble nonsense you really can't talk about this with much other people or share your ideas, since you will be shamed and laughed at. It doesn't matter, those people are dead and that's good. As long as you have the realization inside you and you follow the right path, all will be well. Fuck the demiurge and fuck all the cucks. Being a mgtow monk antinatalist gnostic is what it's really about. Women are just tools to fuck you (the spirit) up and keep the shithole matrix running. That's what it is.

>>132307

I agree. It should be ritualised. The highest level most worthy monks doing the most.

I believe the more important questions are "why is that the case?", "what can I assume on male/female energy because of this?", and "when/where/how these ratios should be mixed and balanced?"

>>132307

Sex is one of the most abused aspects of humanity for time untold. It's always been abused because "control", it's always easier to control fewer people than it is many, and the abusers get the narcissistic satisfaction of having it "all to themselves"…

>>132305

This post is more representative of the coloring of your opinions rather than divine truths.

It's also funny you talk about reddit, because "incels" as a term, originally came from reddit's /r/incels.

https://8ch.net/reddit/res/766.html

Incels and roasties aren't as different as you think.

>Both are typically lovesick, desiring companionship.

>Both have unrealistic expectations on how relationships work.

>Both have some form of social maladjustment, usually from parents not teaching them how to be social.

>Both have parental issues of some kind, and relentlessly project these issues.

>Both expect the world to be served on a silver platter to them.

>Both expect their prospective partners to be their indentured servant.

The difference is…

>…The incel never even tries to start a relationship, giving up before he begins.

<…The roastie starts, but never keeps faith to her partner, falling into the same trap that black men looking for cheap fucks do.

Robots on the other hand? I've noticed they're usually depressive, but kind, and just need an introspective journey to get their out-of-whack mind sorted out.

>>132377

btw where's my sociophobe flag?

>>132305

Blah blah blah whatever

Either you integrate both your masculine and feminine sides, either you stay incomplete your whole life believing all that bullshit.

True incels can't into any kind of deep spirituality.

>>132401

That wasn't what OP was saying. He said that overbalance of the feminine-passive mind leads to hedonism, and that this should be avoided. You definitely don't need to go around chasing females and enslaving yourself to their whim to have a balanced mind. Such behavior is foolish and the mark of a hylic.

>True incels can't into any kind of deep spirituality.

Sure, if you use the actual definition. People like OP have taken to using involuntary celibate as a synonym for any type of celibacy for some reason, which is frankly very bizarre.

>>132378

In your ass.

>>132401

>you integrate both your masculine and feminine sides

That's what OP was saying. And these femboiz, soyboys, cucks, sex addicts, etc. They all think they've mastered some sort of balance but they are still just a puppet of their shadow.

>>132415

It is hard to find a balance for some people, especially when you've already be infected with degeneracy. It feels natural for a man to act feminine when the Jewish psyop tells them it's okay

>>133201

That's why you stop taking your thoughts for granted and try that new hip thing called meditation!

you are all indoctrinated, conditioned, brainwashed

you have limiting beliefs, delusions, pretending to be things you consciously decided to believe but you never once actually thought about them and simply accepted them to be true because you watch too much TV or happened to go to those indoctrination institutes called schools

I can't shake the pleasure Jew. I am stuck in a sad place in life and I keep finding ways to distract my self from it all. Im doing it right now on 8chn ffs.

It all feels hopeless, I just don't have the will any more. Im not talking about sex or women though, I'll never have that and I don't care too much right now. Im talking about vidya, junk food, internet, fapping etc. How do I muster the will to stop indulging in worldly things and distractions so that I can focus on spiritual development?

>>133224

First, define spiritual development in a meaningful way.

What form of retarded Gnosticism is this?

>it's the women who care about procreation

Fucking bullshit^100

It's men care about love, raising kids, having a family, etc. Women only care about fun until they get all used up.

>>133228

Developing your ability to gain wisdom, insight that helps you see things clearly and to see past false personal perceptions. I don't know, that doesn't quite cut it, it's something more than that too I think. How am I supposed to define something I haven't really experienced? You know what I mean when I say spiritual development, and I know you know, and you know that I know that you know.

>>133224

Willpower is something you learn and train, not something you're born with. Bare minimum, set aside so much time a day for just spiritual development and get in that habit. Getting /fit/ might help too.

just turn gay bro, embrace those masculine energies

>>133254

So you desire truth. Well the first step is to find out the truth about yourself. Analyze your desires, keep asking why you're doing this until you can't ask anymore. Find the core of your being, what really motivates you.

>>132305

What are you guys even arguing about? The solution to this is simple:

Sex drains vital energy from both men and women. To obtain spiritual enlightenment whilst simultaneously maintaining a physical racial presence, one would have to be celibate and only engage in sex for the purpose of procreation, nothing more.

>>133288

Yes! In all seriousness, girls are very easily convinced and happy to think about babies in connection to sex. Probably not the thots though

>>133231

He's not wrong.

Men all over the world have shown that they care about love, children, family, society etc at a greater magnitude than women. Your poorly thought image does not refute history.

>>136541

…said the man in the cave.

>>136543

Typical trashy response. Cope harder.

>>136543

No, he's right. The short, weak and beardless creatures called women only care about playing around and getting into the newest trends. They have no concept of fealty. Trust me, I fucked at least 6 of them. Significantly more if you don't consider having a penis a barrier.

oh look another garbage thread resurfacing.

>>136548

Go back to your new age subreddit, roastie.

>>136552

"gender wars" and politicizing your own ineptitude is precisely the sort of mundane garbage that belongs on reddit.

>>136559

kys before i find and massacre you

I think women have a "weak spirit" into things.

End this poppycock you ragamuffins!

>>132378

this post didn't age well in 2020.

But, the problem is, that shit is usually true for human women.

So im either going pygmalion with AI andriods or looking for companionship in this magick shit as the only choices to maintain my royal line against my growing hatred for all humanity at large.

Like, if I had the resources at my disposal, we could be a type 1 civilization within 20 years, capable of mining asteroids from the surface of the moon.

Current project is a -2.3# efficiency cold fusion reactor that self-feeds from hydrogen synthesized through photon transmutation into the protons and electrons required to form the element.

You would love to read what Evola says about the sexes.

>>137513

>/r9k/ theory of women is perpetuated by men

Women being all roastie whores with no redeemable qualities ever? I don't think women would perpetuate that. I don't see the point in saying that, and I'm not sure about the BBC memes being perpetuated by men either.

The difference between the male and female mind, as it's relevant to me, is the lack of a sense of bravery, honor, and self-sacrifice. All of these emotions and obsessions being within the framework of a lack of external-object-oriented goals, in the sense of self-sacrifice being an action that is good in itself, and bravery good in itself, honor good in itself. The difference between being internally driven and being externally driven.

There's a double negative here so I'll tl;dr and say bravery good women no get Y????

>>137513

>theory of women is perpetuated by men

Just to make clear the kind of statement this is, replace two words

>theory of Muslims is perpetuated by Christians

For the /r9k/ robot they're pointing out observations. It's not "perpetuation" as in being the source of the rumor, it's perpetuation as in being a medium by which information can pass through. And information can be distorted if the medium has a bias.

>feminine SPIRITUAL mindset must necessarily reject the material in some way

This comment also implicitly accept that the op may be true, but even if true the connotation of "spiritual" assumes something that exists separate from material. There's no denial of any of op's claims. Your post mostly pushes away from the issue and focuses on (presumably) blaming men and calling out the op for implying women are "bad at spirituality".

>>136597

thats just some inferior neets

the idea of being a neet is that you should not live like plebs, especially since living like a plem will ruin you very quick because magically this doesn't work well with neetdom

being an anime junkie is the opposite of long-term neetdom, thats a culture popularised by some kids who were neets for a year after HS or someshit

theres 0 balance if you live like that, like fucking pleb holidays all day

this is a non-neet setting

>>137514

these "good" traits are suicidal and idiotic

>>137517

Elaborate. I can only see it as idiotic if you accept both a materialistic framework and a framework where your life and enjoyment is more important than literally anything else in the world, that is to say you're purely selfish and atheistic. And suicidal, self-sacrifice can be seen as suicidal if it's in the connotation of your life literally being on the line, and bravery isn't suicidal and neither is honor.

>>137517

And to disambiguate even further, bravery, honor, or self-sacrifice aren't "traits". They don't exist in a vacuum outside of the action that they represent. To consider them traits is to abstract them to the point of losing meaning. Bravery, the ability to stand against difficult and discouraging opposition, only exists under the condition of an opponent. Someone can be "brave" when they've shown past ability to do this. The same goes for honor. Self-sacrifice isn't an attribute or a trait so this doesn't apply.

>>137519

if they are so abstract how come you decide they're exclusive to men then?

how do we fix women, cabrones?

>>132305

Orthodox Christian priests can get married and have children. Orthodoxy transcends dialectics such as masculine/feminine.

>>137524

>From my experience women don't understand why men feel the need to act courageously and put themselves in dangeror to self-sacrifice (specifically giving up material possessions, in it's extreme, life for the sake of someone else), and they have no concept of the implicit reciprocity and respect that these actions garner between men.

or maybe you're just a misogynist and automatically assume things based on absolutely nothing

>>137531

It's an active and observable reality if you kept your mind open enough to the possibility of it. If any observation of difference is misogyny to you, that's your own close-minded inability to understand how the world functions properly. That's also your own failure, and I don't have any desire to resolve that for you.

>>137533

anything becomes your active and observable reality if you immersive yourself into it. it doesnt make it real. you talk like that schizo who thinks jews cause menstruation and anyone who disagrees with him is "blind".

>>137535

Oddly specific analogy.

>>137535

And no, I'm accepting of the possibility of being wrong but regardless and despite of that, I don't see myself as wrong. And I'm willing to talk about this subject and be convinced otherwise, but given that you're actively trying to

1. Misinterpret my posts

2. Waste my time

Such an outcome is literally unreachable. Even the analogy you're using is made mute by

>No, I'm not saying all men literally have this trait instilled in them without exception

Since it's clear that there are scenarios where I've seen this not be absolutely true at all times, in every scenario. You're simply gaslighting.

>>137536

it's one of the most recent inane statements here and fitting to refer to.

>>137537

i disagree and do not wish to convince at all.

>>137538

Making note of just what boys like, on average, and what girls like, on average, this isn't at all an odd statement or belief. Do you know what shounen is? Do you know what anime's solely focused on show casing overcoming trials and sticking to your gut instinct (which just happens to be honorable and simple-minded)? You're blowing it out of proportion, spitefully, for no reason. Again, you're either being willfully disingenuous or you've never interacted with another human being in your life.

>>137531

Cry more fag.

>>137538

>fitting to refer to

Nothing he said was anywhere close to that level of delusion you retard.

>>132305

You have a certain degree of power over your emotions. So when faced with the reality that you're an unfuckable loser, you can get sad or mad about it.

At least when you're mad you feel like you have a degree of power. Sadness just envelopes you.

Stay mad and keep hating women lol. Make sure you don't reproduce :-)

>>137629

Don't worry, landwhale. No one wants to fuck you.

>>137651

stfu + kys, bullshit occultist

Incels exist both male and female.

And they both have the same mentality.

They never lower their standards for the opposite sex and exert the minimum amount of effort to engage with it.

Hence they are both involuntary and voluntary at the same time. While they desire connection with the opposite sex, they themselves decide to push them away more than anything else.

So what you say is certainly not false.

The responses on the topic are always the same though.

The majority of people are literally retards whose thoughts revolve around sex more than anything. The men involuntarily so, making them actually involuntary simps. Basically incimps.

And for the majority of females they feel empowered through sex because it does give them power over incimps and thus over all men through a collective desire for shaming of those who are superior to their hedonism. Such as incels, MGTOW, MRM or any other person of sound mind.

The most obvious evidence for that on this thread and anywhere else is that with the word incel only male incels are being associated. The shaming for abstaining from sex and contact with the opposite gender is the same as telling man to be a soyboy and cuck.

>>137667

Some people are just woefully unskilled socially, or scared of everything. Say someone who can hardly keep up a conversation about something that isn't Sonic lowers his standards. Then what?

>>137678

Hope he isn't incompetent in everything but knowledge of sonic lore and he makes something of himself before 40. If not leave him alone and he'd either be happy enough not to an hero or kill himself like most autists do. I don't know what you expect, other than providing the resources on social interaction and game theory there isn't much you could do.

>>137681

My point is you can't just say "lower you standards" is applicable to everyone. What if you're agoraphobic and never go outside? Clearly that's not something you can solve by lowering your standards.

>>137693

There are "incels" and then actual incels. He's referring to "incels".

>>137667

"Incels exist both male and female."

This is such a great point and something more people need to talk about. Id like to add some evidence to your point.

The male driven Incel Movement ideologically are very similar to the women driven Body Positivity Movement(BPM).

Incels in some cases are depressed men who cant get anyone so they sit online and complain about "chads" bang all the girls, and what girls should REALLY careabout intelligence or abillaty to program, essentially girls should care about things the Incel is already doing and good at. The incel shouldn't have to changed anything about them for girls to be into them.

Similarly the people in the BPM in some cases suggest that, the BPM person shouldn't have to change the way that they are, shouldnt have to diet, workoput or look more attractive. Men should just find me attractive for the way that I already am.

So the Incel and BPM movement are both wrapped in, "I cant get laid and I shouldn't have to change anything about me to get laid. The world should

change for me." I really think that's why the average person looks at both movements and its like, shut. the. fuck. up. because we all know in our lives

its "I have to stay in the gym so I look fuckable, I got to make sure I'm successful so I'm fuckable." Some would argue incels shoot up schools a BPM person would never do such a thing, except they do its just character assassination's instead with cancel culture replacing the gun. They still have the

same rage.

I just think this is a really interesting point would love some feedback and thoughts.

>>137698

Legitimate incels are ugly, asocial, dumb faggot retards who legitimately can't get laid no matter how hard they try, barring rape. Anyone who calls himself an incel doesn't suffer from the delusion of the world needing to change to suit his needs. That's practically falls under the volcel category. Delusions of being perfect or the world needing to change in order for you to be successful in terms of body image strikes me as distinctly feminine.

I was going to say that I've never seen any deformed man say they world needs to accept them but I remember both faggots and trannies exist so I can't say that.

>Some would argue incels shoot up schools

That's just extreme and legitimate feelings of alienation + narcissism.

I think it'd be pretty neat if what you said followed my pattern of experience but the term "incel" like "alt right" feels like made up bullshit that people call themselves and others because it's been made popular by the media, and thus the colloquial definition and the actual definition has been separated into meaning something very distinct than what it actually is. You could replace your use of "incel" with "nerd" and it would be more appropriate. Because high IQ nerds would argue for eugenics towards higher IQs and less focus on body fitness, because that's how they are and people want environments that are optimized for their strengths.

>>137698

I've sometimes imagined that Incels are ex-Nice-Guys who got rejected by women who don't want to deal with that awkward bullshit.

Pathologically? At least one of their family members is the problem. If it's the mom, she is either emotionally-derelict or abusive. If it's the dad, then dad has groomed him to hate her guts. If it's a sister, she's probably a psycho or angry bitch.

Bad eggs? Bad birds.

>>137700 (checked)

Actually, in line with this post: >>132374 Incels as a term didn't exist outside of reddit until the media kicked up a fuss.

Curious enough, why are "nerds" being bullied, outside of school by "the popular kid" who went into a media career?

Masculine spiritual mindset is active, thinking, reasoning e.t.c.

Feminine spiritual mindset is passive, feeling, intuition e.t.c.

No need to incelpost without understanding feminine/masculine. You have a mundane understanding of feminine/masculine, you need the esoteric understanding to even discuss.

The kybalion which is the most advertised book on here has a segment for the feminine/masculine duality.

>>137700

I do think the world should change to fit my needs though.

>>137735

Do you expect the world to change in order to make you the top without any change on your part? That's the narcissism I'm talking about. My usage of "feminine" would be better said as pathetic and unbefitting of men. On women it's just pathetic.

>>137776

Yes. The world should change to fit my needs.

>>137785

Then you would be pathetic.

>>137787

Seethe

>>137790

cope

BREAKING NEWZ: mgtows and incels are not having sex bc they are enlightened men, not bc they are psychologically damaged. MORE AT 8.

Dorks

What is this feminazi shill shitposting doing here? There are so many logical fallacies at hand.

This post displays only a complete ignorance of the Masculine / Feminine duality of the mind and asserts presumptive oversimplifications that lead only to angsty half-truths and emotionally-charged confirmation bias.

I'm beginning to think this is just an advert for the youtuber since it is devoid of any authentic thought on the matter.

>>138006

Are you an ESL? Your post is incoherent, who are you replying to?

>>138003

Those aren't mutually exclusive.