/fringe/ - Fringe

Just do it, faggot. People with value systems like you are like lobotomized sheep. No one could help you, Jesus Christ himself couldn't help you. You are worthless.

>>131102

Imagine calling someone else sheep while following an abrahamic religion. WEW

Meditation. Lucid Dreaming. Astral Projection.

>>131104

Care to elaborate a bit? I medidate daily for about 7 years now, but I cannot lucid dream or astral project.

>>131105

>medidate

You've gone hard on high magic, it sounds like, but have you tried a regimen of low magic on a regular basis?

Honestly, suicide is a waste of a bad situation. If things were ever so bad for me that I contemplated suicide again, I would just go off the grid and see about starting my life over as someone else, just to see what would happen. If you are truly of the mind that death is preferable, then in what sense do your attachments matter? You're dead already, so you are free to do as you please.

Before you go all mass shooter on us, keep in mind that nobody really cares about mass shooters in the end, and the market is flooded anyways. Might as well do something interesting with your time, I mean you're already indifferent to death, so any time left between now and when you croak is just bonus time. Run out the clock in a neat way.

>>131103

Imagine being this blind to the truth

>>131125

Nobody cares what you have to say, laity. You're an NPC, fuck off.

>>131111

I've tried various of kinds of "low magick" really, and no I'm not planning to shoot up anything lol

>>131125

Yeah I'm sure praying to a dead kike on a stick would've fixed my abusive parents, kys retard

>>131132

Imagine being this blind to the truth

>>131130

who?

>>131111

I agree. If you want to live in a different world, you don't need magic, just move to a different country. Go skydiving. Learn another language. Blow all your savings doing shit you've never done before. Killing yourself is difficult, and it's guaranteed not to be any fun, so why not put the same effort into doing something you might actually enjoy? If you try other shit and it still feels empty, killing yourself is always an option you can come back to.

>>131102

you're STILL a christcuck?

foky says he won't accept you as an ally until you come back to the >>>/asatru/ side

>>131140

Having to put up with you would be reason enough to want to die.

>>131135

Way past that

>>131100

I literally had the same type of thoughts the last days. There's some astrological shitstorm going on. I urge you to postpone any suicidal thoughts until well into 2020.

As for the rest, the fun is in figuring it out.

>>131146

eh, I've been having thoughts like this for the last 6 months

>>131100

You cannot escape. You will be pulled back into reality somehow. Your astral body will come into a fetus. The Eternal Return will strike a tone that calls you back. Therefore, you must not run from the troubles. Rather, you must conquer them. You must triumph over your own suffering, and that will be your only liberation. Nietzsche said that suffering ennobles; it is initiatic; those who have suffered have gained knowledge of a world those below them couldn't even begin to understand. Do not run. Fight. Dominate.

>>131159

Wait. If running from suffering just ends up producing more suffering, and suffering is good and an initiation, by that logic, if we all started to commit suicide, we'd all eventually ascend because we would suffer more.

The problem with saying that suffering is a part of initiation is not that it isn't true, it IS true, very true, but that suffering results from the very view of itself that declares it suffering, the second arrow. I know this is ultimately what you mean, to use suffering as a vehicle, and that is noble and should be done, without question. In that sense, I'm just busting your balls for fun and have no real qualm. However, it's important to see suffering and the lower emotions or the downward spirals as stepping stones rather than automatic merit points. One who does not suffer because for them all suffering turns to a view-expanding understanding of all suffering could not be said to undergo lasting negative consequences; for them, suffering is transmuted.

By contrast, one for whom suffering is a meaningless proof of an empty world will wallow in it and produce more and more. To someone who can transmute, the solution seems so obvious and easy, but even seeing that much is exceptionally difficult. It's a pity.

>>131174

Suffering is not good.

Learning is good.

If you do not learn from your mistakes, you are doomed to repeat it.

Seriously cheesy Holywood lines are like past your level just kill yourself and come back with a better brain moron but wait you were blessed with everything you need and you neglect and so the karmic retribution will bring you back as a fucking cockroach for me to stomp on bitch

>>131175

>>131174

The "we're on this earth to learn" goys lmao

>>131176

Okay what is the point of life it not to learn?

If there is no meaning to life, then why do you still live?

>>131179

To escape the cycle of reincarnation

>we're here to learn

>memories get wiped after death

The absolute state of you

>>131180

How and why did you enter the cycle of reincarnation in the first place if the only goal is to leave it?

And how does one exit the cycle without learning?

>He doesn't know why he incarnated in the first place.

You've got a lot to learn

>>131181

To experience material limitations, not to get trapped and harvested for loosh

>you've got a lot to learn

That's what you'll hear from your reptillian masters after death for talking down on other anons and get reincarnated as a dog or whatever suffering for the things that that version of you never commited or even knows about

>>131162

It's demiurge satanic blackpill disinfo. When you die (lets say of old age) you will go to be with god in heaven forever. That's it. Home safe.

>>131175

Take your pills, buddy.

>>131182

>I joined the karmic cycle to experience material limitations

I thought I knew what masochism was until I saw your post.

>>131190

Why did you join it?

>>131192

The question can't be answered because it's premised on some very big assumptions you're making. The question "why did you join the karmic cycle?" implies that not only was there a conscious decision to enter samsara, but that a figure outside samsara would have an intelligible motive to enter it as a participant, that could then be objectively judged by another participant within samsara. It's a nonsense question. You're applying human conceptions of motive where they don't belong.

>>131193

Then critique the guy who asked it instead of adding nothing to the discussion

>>131194

Mostly because your answer actually furthered the level of uncritical acceptance of a bad premise in a way that was surprising in its implications. "I want to experience material" is not typically phrased as "I want to be limited materially" the way you put it, whereas his question is perhaps the most stock "bad premise" of them all.

>>131195

Lmao, why enter the discussion just to say that we can't possibly know anything.

It's not uncritical to me, I've read a lot about it, but I don't want to engage in 30 post long debates about it in a thread not meant for it.

>waaah you said "I want to be limited" instead of "I want to experience material"

on a second thought nvm this thread is for you, cause you should kys unironically

>>131182

Talking down? I was just giving advice. You are not in a place to ever accept advice, do not fault me for that! LOL

>>131199

>"Seriously cheesy Holywood lines are like past your level just kill yourself and come back with a better brain moron but wait you were blessed with everything you need and you neglect and so the karmic retribution will bring you back as a fucking cockroach for me to stomp on bitch"

>"Talking down? I was just giving advice"

>>131193

>implies that not only was there a conscious decision to enter samsara, but that a figure outside samsara would have an intelligible motive to enter it as a participant, that could then be objectively judged by another participant within samsara.

This is all actually true though. Perhaps not technically, but yes metaphorically.

All entities in this realm, accepted the condition that they would forget why they incarnated in the first place.

Before incarnating, we took that gamble.

You are supposed to come upon your life purpose through looking within and expanding your awareness

We are all the one and same God, but God chose to forget he was perfect to have the experience of growth.

>>131188

Ya I only really read the first line before posting, was gonna apologize but you overcomplicated something so bad that I just didn;t want anything to do with your post.

let me say what you said but with less complications.

Suffering is not real, it is subjective ; ie relative to the perspective.

Choose a perspective that looks at relief from suffering as only a stepping stone.

Furthermore, look at suffering as an opportunity to learn and grow.

Do you really think someone who doesn't understand already,would ever understand "One who does not suffer because for them all suffering turns to a view-expanding understanding of all suffering could not be said to undergo lasting negative consequences; for them, suffering is transmuted."

I understand because I assume you are woke like me, but you failed to articulate it well enough m8.

>>131200

That wasn't to you was it? Why do you feel the need to represent others?

>>131192

To have an experience of learning and growing. Why else?

>>131202

Because of you speak of karmic consequences while insulting other (suicidal too in this case) people for not conforming to your cuckold-tier views about karma

>>131204

And what's wrong with that? I accept my negative karma. FUcking worth man

>>131201

why would our memories get wiped after death if the goal of incarnating here was to learn and grow

>>131196

Why are you avoiding the question? This is the question you were asked

>How and why did you enter the cycle of reincarnation in the first place if the only goal is to leave it?

>And how does one exit the cycle without learning?

You were asked, What is the point of life and your response is this.

<To experience material limitations, not to get trapped and harvested for loosh

Use your brain for a second. Do you really think that answer makes sense to anyone? Why the fuck would one want to experience limitations on purpose? That is never a goal but it can be a means to an end. Pretending to be limited for the sake of growing is the real reason.

Reptillian masers? LMFAO. I chose to incarnate in this realm. I wanted to help humanity. Now I'm stepping back and wondering if you fucks are even worth it. Just blow this planet up LOL I will mind my own business in my realms.

>>131206

The spirit grows as it gathers experiences.

Do you really know the cause of your actions? Your ego only has a limited perspective, your spirit is the gate keeper, your spirit is always the one that has the last say, the final decision.

The spirit has access to such things that our human perception cannot fathom.

We receive the intuition and our ego must derive the mysterious wisdom of the spirit into understandable insight.

Within in a single incarnation, the physical experiences and memories are to be learned from, through logic.

Outside of the incarnations, the great spirit experiences spiritually, and this is to be learned from, wisely.

I might as well explain logic and wisdom. Logic is only limited to the information you have. Wisdom is based on much more abstract pattern recognition. Scientifically, we have skills and abstract memory that cannot be broken. Like in the movie Momento, he has zero memories but he can still speak english and recall shapes. Damn I should write an essay, but maybe I'll wait for other questions or somethinf.

There's actually MANY perspectives to this interesting question. I've managed to not get specific; somehow I made it ambiguous enough to allow the multiple meanings come through. Does the spirit help with skills and talents? Is it your spirit? Is there only one all encompassing spirit that just wants to experience the universe? Latch on to whatever meaning you like, it's all true at different levels.

>>131207

>Why are you avoiding the question?

>>How and why did you enter the cycle of reincarnation in the first place if the only goal is to leave it?

Because I very obviously implied, that beginning a cycle of reincarnation was not the purpose of incarnating here.

>>And how does one exit the cycle without learning?

Retarded question not worth answering.

>That is never a goal but it can be a means to an end. Pretending to be limited for the sake of growing is the real reason.

That's literally what I meant the entire time, the original purpose was to incarnate to learn, but you need it spelled out for you like to a 4 year old. Just because I used the word "experience" instead of learn you went buttmad and started writing walls of text to deconstruct my posts. Like legitimately take a step back and look at it. To experience is almost synonymous with "to learn"

>I wanted to help humanity. Now I'm stepping back and wondering if you fucks are even worth it. Just blow this planet up LOL I will mind my own business in my realms.

LARP LARP LARPITY LARP LARP

>>131209

>Because I very obviously implied, that beginning a cycle of reincarnation was not the purpose of incarnating here.

There we are. Please explain your corrupt understand of Gnosticism.

>>131209

>That's literally what I meant the entire time, the original purpose was to incarnate to learn, but you need it spelled out for you like to a 4 year old. Just because I used the word "experience" instead of learn you went buttmad and started writing walls of text to deconstruct my posts. Like legitimately take a step back and look at it. To experience is almost synonymous with "to learn"

Oh are you seriously going back on your own words? Are you ashamed of the fact that you actually learned something here?

You are the fucking retard that was arguing with MY USE OF THE WORD LEARN lmfao!!! And now you are saying that I am mad at you for using the word experience instead of learn? That's gold man.

>>131211

The demiruge is not corrupt. It is meant to be. We incarnated here to learn. The demiruge represents a challenge.

>arguing with MY USE OF THE WORD LEARN

I was never arguing with your use of the word you complete and utter dunce, I was arguing with the meaning you prescribed to life. You then turned it into "wtfffffffffff how can you say "experience" instead of "learn"!!!!!!!!!!!!"

People do not learn from their experiences, they fail to accomplish their spiritual tasks and then come back to try again.

Learning requires conscious effort. It's kind of the opposite of experiences. People who only experience and don't learn tend to have a victim mentality.

<Oh the Demiurge is so corrupt and there are so many reptilian loosh farmers I need to break out of this prison before I can really learn hurr durr

How arrogant can you get? Every moment you have the chance to be aware and make decisions is a moment you can learn from, no matter what.

>>131213

This is the question you were asked

>How and why did you enter the cycle of reincarnation in the first place if the only goal is to leave it?

>And how does one exit the cycle without learning?

You were asked, What is the point of life and your response is this.

<To experience material limitations, not to get trapped and harvested for loosh

And your response to how to exit the cycle without learning was

<Retarded question not worth answering.

And now you say this.

<I was never arguing with your use of the word you complete and utter dunce, I was arguing with the meaning you prescribed to life. You then turned it into "wtfffffffffff how can you say "experience" instead of "learn"!!!!!!!!!!!!"

This is gold man

How does that in any way conflict with the answers you've received from me? Saying

>This is gold man

Doesn't win the argument automatically like it would irl around your most likely retarded as well friends

You clearly have no idea what's going on and don't even have a desire to learn (or you are so ashamed of that desire to learn that you can't even admit it to yourself) I'm not trying to psychoanalyze, but thats what my intuition says to me so that's why I'm sharing it. I don't care what you think.

But I am curious. What meaning do you think I prescribed to life and what did you disagree with?

You literally saying that you do think the point of life is to learn. But then you get into your obsession with the demiruge. That's not healthy man.

>>131219

Translated this post reads:

>I couldn't win a single argument but I clearly won the debate.

>How dare this anon not learn from me, the god of wisdom?

>I don't care what you think but I care enough to have the last say so I'm sharing my "intuition" ( Read : Narcisism)

>>131220

I am curious about the potential of a contradiction. I see none.

I asked you a question. Why respond if you won't even answer? Stop shitposting you fuck

>>131208

OMG I forgot the most important part.

To gleam access into the wisdom and spiritual information, you must expand awareness and become one with your spirit, higher self, etc. Many terms, same idea.

My understanding is that the awareness is from soul and it can move closer to ego or closer to spirit. But I fear that taking that statement too literally would cause unnecessary limitation.

Do not let language and words limit you. It is only a tool to communicate, and to help understand through better articulation.

But just because you don't understand, does not mean you do not know.

We know, but we do not know that we know.

You can't because you haven't suffered enough yet. The roots must scrape against the most barren and jagged of rocks before reaching water.

>>131208

>The spirit grows as it gathers experiences.

but wouldn't there be more growth if you still had your memories? you could then compare and contrast all the different experiences you've had and would for the most part legitimize concepts like past life karma(although it would still be a bit murky on the question of morality with "good" and "bad" karma).

>your spirit is always the one that has the last say, the final decision.

what's the need for intuition then? and if the spirit already knows what's good for it and what's not when it comes to "growth" why did it choose incarnate in the first place?

>Scientifically, we have skills and abstract memory that cannot be broken.

well when it comes to certain automated functions of the physical body, although with the degeneration of the brain life functions can fail too.

>>131228

OP wants a permanent escape from reality.

OP needs to accept responsibility for his environment.

No one can hold his hand to accept responsibility.

This thread is cancer, but the off topic discussion might not be.

>>131229

I wanted to change my reality by means of magick…. this is a board dedicated to the discussion of magick…..

>>131230

Yes you can change your reality but you cannot escape from it. Understand your reality and then affect it.

Your (subjective/limited) reality is a direct result of the filters in your perception.

The universe (objective reality) also is directly affected but your hopes dreams beliefs desires etc.

As above so below.

If, let's say, you suddenly became woke, you would realize that all your thought patterns and subtle energies inside you is where your environment emerged from.

It's so fucking cheesy, but it's the truth.

Be the change you want to see

holy shit I'm tripping myself out, QUantum field theory, not even once. fucking brain needs to calm down

>>131231

>Logic WILL NOT WORK in the next realm.

disagree, it applies to 1d, 2d, 3d, 4d and most likely the higher dimensions as well

>wisdom cannot be explained with logick

it literally can be explained with logick, what are you on about

>The spirit does not know. It is also learning over many life times.

so the spirit does not have any useful knowledge to give then

alright, basically new age bullshit : the post, thought you niggas scrammed from /fringe/ a long time ago but seems like there's still some nuggets of new age shit left in here.

>>131234

The next realm is not physical.

If you have no questions. FUCK OFF

>>131235

logic does not end after 3d, some of the rules just change, you'd have to be severely mentally retarded to think otherwise

>>131236

Logic ends when your memory ends.

I am not God. Argue with him.

>>131237

memory does not end outside the physical, have you ever even lucid dreamed or astral projected?

>>131238

That's not logic and that is not memory.

You interpret the astral phenomena with physical concepts.

All information is in akashic records and in your astral body you receive those information. It's the same thing as I was describing with wisdom but a higher version.

I mean if you can astral project there you go. THAT IS THE NEXT REALM. And it's not physical. The Three dimensions are completely irrelevant and the concept is only to help you understand your visual stimulus.

You only see visual stimuli because the objective phenomena of the universe manifests as your subjective 3D astral experience.

Now here's the magical thing.

In the physical, you use logic and get "special information" with wisdom.

In the astral, instead of logic and wisdom, there is wisdom and akasha.

What you think is logic is now wisdom, and how you got wisdom is now how you get akasha.

You can argue with semantics, but dude there is no logic in the astral. Look at me, I am so obsessed with logic. I have shit tier astral skills for that very reason!

There is metaphysics, but no matter how well I understand metaphysics logically it won't make my astral skills any better.

I sure know how to fucking explain it though

>>131239

here on 8chan /fringe/ we're not larping, we actually discuss spiritual concepts seriously, and when your ideas are critiqued seriously, it's not supposed to be a game of whack a mole against the ideas of said critics, you don't retreat on every single point you make and instead put down an even vaguer more unfalsifiable point in it's place instead.

You're either retarded or a shill, most likely both.

>>131241

Excuse me? Please tell me a single thing I retreated on.

I mean you could ask me questions on what you see are contradictions, try that at least.

>>131242

shut the fuck up new age obullshitist

>>131105

From my experience I see this as a bad sign. I myself can't meditate without empowering these abilities, I do not see a separation.

Learn it. Remember your dreams. Do preliminary exercises and energy work. Just one real experience may heal your soul.

At higher levels you first live fully operational parallel lives, then you exist simultaneously in both worlds until you may escape from here securely. It's essentially immortality, ascension, etc.

>>131244

You don't have any experience obullshitist

>>131243

thank you

>all these 'dude we're here to learn bro' new age LARPers

Absolute state of /fringe/. Anyway, to the OP: if you master astral projection you will be able to exit your body without ever having to return to it (effectively killing 'yourself'). You'll then be out and about in the non-physical realm.

I've also read stories about people using lucid dreams (for lack of a better term) as a sort of portal into a different world where they stay for a prolonged period of time, but they all obviously end up returning home or else we wouldn't have their stories -but maybe that's worth looking into.

>>131264

You should keep your advice exclusively to things you have experienced yourself. We all should. This board would be much quieter and wiser.

>>131100

OP you honestly sound like a Jew trying to sow the seeds of self-destruction in our woke anti-semitic board. If you are not Jewish and are being sincere, good luck finding a sense of wellness somehow. I recommend meditating in the forest to heal your self. But I hate posts like the sort you made, I really do. That sort of shit you say can mess with vulnerable peoples minds and its not cool. You really seem like a jew to me. If you are not a jew then God bless you and good luck getting more optimism in life.

>>131267

>You should keep your advice exclusively to things you have experienced yourself.

This is the single best piece of occult advice that could be heeded. T. legitimate occultist!

>>131111

this. you don't need to kill yourself to end your life. go do some solo travelling or skydive or some shit. even if it costs most of your money, the alternative if death so you say, and that money is meaningless when you are dead.

>>131223

Why are you indigo pills such pain sluts?

>>131381

Pain is a byproduct of intelligence and intelligence is a byproduct of evolution. The more evolved a being becomes the greater its potential for suffering becomes. Full exploration of the depths of this suffering is necessary for any sort of meaningful advancement. If you find this unmanageable you should strive for the life of a mindless insect, not a god.

>>131182

Dogs can have very comfy lives. Western first world doggos are a top tier reincarnation choice right now

>>131393

t confused egoist with little to none spiritual awareness

>>131460

The elites also drink consentual blood as well. Ive drank lots of blood in my life and I can't say it's made life any better but the consumption of blood most definitely has magical benefit

>>131786

cheeky cunt

>>131460

no wonder donating blood is such a popular thing

>>131828

ok edward snowden

>>131828

>>131833

This kid is like rage comics tier in terms of irrelevance and overall cringe factor.

>>131835

He's good looking though (no homo).