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Just become Gnostic brah

>>128202

Thinking about it. No self-described Christians / church goers are like me anyways and I feel like they don't want my presence, like they'd tolerate openly anti-Christian and degenerates as long as they're stupid, but a questioning and bible-literate person… nah.

I might just be paranoid though but I feel this tension when I ask too many questions.

>>128215

Oh thanks for these. I got to go to a theology group right now but I'll read the probably tomorrow or when I get back.

>>128198

FYI, the Talmud says Jesus is the son of a whore

>I feel this tension when I ask too many questions

Maybe they don't know a lot and feel challeged in a way they don't like. Which denom is this church?

>>128227

>judaism has nothing to do with christianity

blow your brains out

>>128228

It was just me being paranoid…

>>127754

((certain people)) Christianity was propagated mainly by Roman, Greek, Ango-Saxon, French, Spanish, and Slavic whites. I'm an ethnic Jew (but I guess somewhat Buddhist in faith), and many of us view Christianity as being stolen from us as well as a weird bastardization.

Jesus is not the Jewish Messiah though, because he did not restore the Kingdom of Israel. Which is the most important part of the bs prophecy anyway, yet all these Christians ignore that part.

Islam just added him in there to cover all their bases imo.

The Abrahamic God is just the Canaanite/Sumerian God El but edited so that ancient Jews could feel special about themselves.

>>128226

Well yeah she claimed he had no father. Of course 5th century Jews were real butthurt about Christianity

>>128253

Can you link me to what specific part you're talking about concerning this Kingdom of Israel thing you mention that proves Jesus wasn't the Messiah?

Also does it say Jesus had to do it in his lifetime or is it okay for him to just do it later on when he comes back?

>>127745

Myadvice to you be not to try so hard. Also don't talk to Christians. Most of them are not saved, are going to Hell and are either possessed or of their father the devil. Hope this helps.

>>128253

>I'm an ethnic Jew

I have a question regarding jewishness. If in the Torah you have to have a hebrew father to be hebrew, why do modern jews inherit their ethnic identity from their mothers? By this criteria wouldn't people like Solomon be considered non-jews?

>>128254

No. Christianity wouldn't exist without Jews converting. The ones that did not convert were the ones that followed a corruption. The Talmud is that corruption. But yeah so you're correct because there are no real respectful Jews, except for perhaps Messianic Jews! And this retard here apparently has no knowledge of any of this

>>128274

>I only said the talmud is a tool to understand judaism, not christianity.

So how is it a strawman? Your lack of ability to reconcile this obvious paradox where you treat judaism and christianity differently yet say they are related shows how retarded you are. If they are related, then the talmud is related. If the talmud has nothing to do with christianity then why aren't judaism and christianity unrelated?

>>128358

What do you think you're trying to talk about?

>>127745

Hey, I remember when I wrote this. Right about that time I was reading that guy who said he did it all to be a famous writer. Get off the chans, goat molester. Stop fucking yourself in public. Disgusting.

>>128362

Another refutation.

In this arid wilderness of steel and stone I raise up my voice

that you may hear.

To the East and to the West I beckon. To the North and to

the South I show a sign —

Proclaiming, "Death to the weakling, wealth to the strong."

Open your eyes that you may hear, O! men of mildewed

minds and listen to me, ye laborious millions!

For I stand forth to challenge the wisdom of the world; to

interrogate the "laws" of man and of "God."

I request reasons for your Golden Rule and ask the why and

wherefore of your ten Commands.

Before none of your printed idols do I bend in acquiescence

and he who saith "thou shalt" to me is my mortal foe.

I demand proof over all things, and accept (with

reservations) even that which is true.

I dip my forefinger in the watery blood of your impotent

mad-redeemer (your Divine Democrat— your Hebrew Madman)

and write over his thorn-torn brow, "The true Prince of Evil — the

King of the Slaves!"

No hoary falsehood shall be a truth to me — no cult or

dogma shall encamp my pen.

I break away from all conventions. Alone, untrammelled. I

raise up in stern invasion the standard of Strong.

I gaze into the glassy eye of your fearsome Jehovah, and

pluck him by the beard — I uplift a broad-axe and split open his

worm-eaten skull.

I blast out the ghastly contents of philosophic whited

sepulchres and laugh with sardonic wrath.

Then reaching up the festering and varnished facades of

your haughtiest moral dogmas, I write thereon in letters of blazing

scorn: — "Lo and behold, all this is fraud!"

I deny all things! I question all things!

And yet! And yet! —

— Gather around me O! ye death-defiant and the earth itself

shall be thine, to have and to hold.

What is your 'civilization and progress' if its only outcome

is hysteria and downgoing?

What is 'government and law' if their ripened harvests are

men without sap?

What are 'religions and literatures' if their grandest

productions are hordes of faithful slaves?

What is 'evolution and culture' if their dead-sea-fruit is a

caitiff race, with rotteness in its bones.

Might is Right, all chapters

One of the greatest occult books to ever be written, the anti-bible to free you from christianity

>>128423

The Old Testament may as well be subtitled "Might is Right" though.

>>128645

Can you not? Have some respect for Jesus. Why does everyone attack Jesus like this?

>>128671

probably in an attempt to evoke a strong negative emotional reaction from his strongest adherents, for the types who find Christians as a general group to be insufferable.

>>128722

That last bit at the end of the bible probably ruined Christianity the most where it said you can't add onto it. At least Hindus aren't so damned scared of other religions.

>>127745

Is that Cher's tranny daughter?

bump

And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see mee, and live.

>>128750

Why must mundies always spread ancient copypasta they don't understand, always out of context? What do you think you're accomplishing?

>>128253

I don't really care whether the kike on a stick is the real "Jewish messiah" or not, the point is that this one Jewish sect that emerged was all one big psyop with the goal being the political subversion of the Roman empire, which is why it was "open to anyone" as they went all over the place and spread it. The psyop ended up working pretty well after the leaders of the empire (particularly various emperors) began to adopt it thanks to some (((folks))) influencing them. From there, it spiraled downhill, and spread across the Roman empire into the rest of Europe. Afterwards, not being a Christian made you a "savage", and the Catholic Church eventually gained enough power to basically kill anyone who didn't accept the beliefs (assuming they had even escaped the indoctrination from birth to begin with, which was practically impossible at the time for the average person since the Church didn't allow people to read anything or for any information to spread either). From there, the virus spread and has continued to infect the West to this day, to the point where people grovel all over the place and go out of their way to suck the kike on a stick's circumcised dick 24/7.

>>127752

Faith without works is dead.

The original Christians were gnostics.

Here is a perfect example from Psalms 3. Note that wisdom is sophia and that is specifically refers to SHE aka Sophia.

https://biblehub.com/kjv/proverbs/3.htm

Trust in the Lord

1My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:

2For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.

3Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:

4So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.

5Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

6In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

7Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.

8It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.

9Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:

10So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.

11My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:

12For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Blessed is He who Finds Wisdom

13Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.

14For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold.

15She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her.

16Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour.

17Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace.

18She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.

19The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.

20By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew.

21My son, let not them depart from thine eyes: keep sound wisdom and discretion:

22So shall they be life unto thy soul, and grace to thy neck.

23Then shalt thou walk in thy way safely, and thy foot shall not stumble.

24When thou liest down, thou shalt not be afraid: yea, thou shalt lie down, and thy sleep shall be sweet.

25Be not afraid of sudden fear, neither of the desolation of the wicked, when it cometh.

26For the LORD shall be thy confidence, and shall keep thy foot from being taken.

27Withhold not good from them to whom it is due, when it is in the power of thine hand to do it.

28Say not unto thy neighbour, Go, and come again, and to morrow I will give; when thou hast it by thee.

29Devise not evil against thy neighbour, seeing he dwelleth securely by thee.

30Strive not with a man without cause, if he have done thee no harm.

31Envy thou not the oppressor, and choose none of his ways.

32For the froward is abomination to the LORD: but his secret is with the righteous.

33The curse of the LORD is in the house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just.

34Surely he scorneth the scorners: but he giveth grace unto the lowly.

35The wise shall inherit glory: but shame shall be the promotion of fools.

>>129815

Where is the pain in your body? What's it affecting?

t. might just pray for you but want to know if it's your muscles, certain specific regions, or what exactly I got to pray for

>>127745

I'll take a more unconventional approach to this and say that Christ is attempting to communicate with you on a level that normalfag christians probably wouldn't get, which results in dissonance.

>Christians also always discouraging me from reading anything that isn't the Bible or taking an interest in anything that isn't the Bible, even though I feel an intense desire always to look into the mind, into psychic powers, into all the things that make me feel and appreciate the reality of god and the majesty of his creation

Looking into the mind would be a good place to begin, it's likely where Christ himself interfaces with you.

>but Christians say I can't just worship God it's got to be all about Jesus

Call me ignorant, but isn't Jesus just God interfacing with humanity?

>besides I asked them if Jesus was a beautiful man and they quoted me a part in the Bible where it basically says he wasn't

>how can a perfect man not be beautiful

Christ may be infallible, but his followers surely aren't.

>>127745

>read books and Bible…

By lying you are only hurting yourself.

>by faith not by works

This proves you're lying because Jesus says otherwise only about a million times. "Feed the hungry cloth the poor" "Do unto others" "Don't have slaves" "Honor thy father and mother" "Don't commit adultery" "don't murder" "take care of your mind and body" etc etc etc etc

These are all works not faith.

"I help those who help themselves"

"The way way heaven is through me"

Don't be a pussy, either you want to be a better person or you don't but the path to salvation is by becoming Christ like by following his advice.

>>130000

>This proves you're lying because Jesus says otherwise only about a million times. "Feed the hungry cloth the poor" "Do unto others" "Don't have slaves" "Honor thy father and mother" "Don't commit adultery" "don't murder" "take care of your mind and body" etc etc etc etc

When did he say any of that stuff?

Btw the law becomes a message of "thou shalt have no tendency to" under grace instead of condemnation under wrath.

>Don't be a pussy, either you want to be a better person or you don't but the path to salvation is by becoming Christ like by following his advice.

Won't make a difference if you don't have Christ in you.

What a waste of a GET.

Humility bump

>>134622

I would also consider looking into Catharism and Valentinian Gnosicism.

http://gnosis.org/library/valentinus/Brief_Summary_Theology.htm

http://www.cathar.info/cathar_beliefs.htm

>>130016

Warmane, Lorderon. Already multiple 4chonners there.

t. 4chon