/fringe/ - Fringe

Rituals, sigils, occult symbols, and alchemic symbols, are powerful because they make you feel a certain way depending on the system of meanings you associate with them. They can also convey entire emotional/thoughtful messages just as a word does, depending on how effectively/elaborately they are constructed or performed. They can alter your thoughts and feelings provided you focus on them and allow their associated meanings to affect you. That should however go without saying as an obvious product of focusing on any idea or emotion or system of either for an extended period of time. Again, not magic, just a self-help trick for altering your mind's perspective.

ASMR, binaural beats, and specific sound frequencies help you relax or feel good, but do nothing beyond that. They're just self-help for relaxing and feeling good.

Meditation and hypnosis help you focus and relax and can in extreme cases make you feel pleasure or act automatically based on suggestion, but do nothing beyond this. They're just self-help for focusing and relaxing.

Helpful rules of thumb, self-help, self-psychological manipulation, and expanding one's sphere of influence is nice and useful, but is not magic.

~Epyc Wynn

Only a bullshit occultist believes in limitations and dogmatic belief structures.

>>119525

No.

>>119531

Nope. Don't care about status among magi I don't acknowledge.

>>119549

If it's done through technology or chemicals or influence, and not through superhuman means, it's not magic.

>>119550

People who provide references and links rather than explaining things themselves are ignorant and don't understand what they're recommending. If you understand then explain -wasting people's time with hours of book reading/skimming that isn't guaranteed to actually help in any way and oftentimes is completely useless magic roleplay and theories, is wrong and part of why people hate this board. You somehow experienced things that persuaded you. That doesn't help me at all.

>>119554

My mind's great, my spirit's great, and I offer love to everyone. I understand the general patterns can be discovered in everything; Kybalion states as much in various wordings. Also have a strong sense of what's righteous and true. It's amazing you can read all this stuff and recommend all these things I already have obtained, and then proclaim you know da wae like a wizened Ugandan Knuckles. What if you don't know, what if you've convinced yourself of things that aren't true? It's not a labyrinth -it's a pile of dog shit. And I am wondering if the few kernels of corn in the dog shit are really worth all this nonsense that hasn't done jack shit in the years I've practiced here.

>>119575

Tulpas are real they're called imaginary friends. You're otherwise mostly right.

>>119594

If a few years is dipping toes to you, then you have no realistic understanding of the value of human life's time. If all evidence points to falsehood, I will not proclaim the likelihood of truth to be high.

>>119612

Why assume it's hidden? Nonexistence has always been an option. If it's not possible, that doesn't mean it's hidden -it's just not possible.

>>119613

When you say true possibilities, you are implying actual magic. Explain the part where suddenly magic manifests in all these steps if you want to act as if you know of true magic.

>>119614

>believing in postmodern thought that everything is relative and all limitations are subjective and should be defied

Postmodernism is a cheap tactic used to make feminism and communism stronger while weakening science and reasoning.

>>119622

Listing the possibilities for what a limitation can embody and the fact many limitations can be defied, doesn't actually prove how limitations suddenly don't exist or why for that matter, you'd even want limitations to not exist since many are actually necessary to basic existence.

>>119623

Didn't think of astral projection when making the OP. Astral projection is not achievable for me in any capacity. I can rarely have even a brief dream, I can only somewhat control dreams though that usually causes them to end, but I cannot engage in such a high form of dreaming, hallucination, and delusion, as astral projection. It's not possible so it's not worth pursuing and not beneficial to magical understanding unless you have a particularly fucked up brain capable of imagining all of that naturally while sleeping. The astral realm is not accessible through any means so it might as well not exist.

>>119625

Or you're just remembering your room wrong and dreaming up your room.

>>119626

Give me a break that's not real wisdom and knowledge at all. If it explained how to effectively achieve an astral projection that'd be one thing -just describing a fantastical realm of horseshit inaccessible to anyone is not wisdom and knowledge.

>>119631

I want to live in a world where it's wrong but if you're angry at me for pointing out the reality of things you're shooting the messenger for pointing out what you already fucking knew.

>>119633

Love without reciprocation is not worthwhile love. Loving everything one does is not a reasonable request as it hinges on someone being able to maintain a level of love only maintainable through reciprocated love, or total self-delusion and wearing oneself out. Strong focused desires do not always breed results -certainly not in accessing the astral realm. Recommending books while insisting on not explaining them is a scummy waste of time. If you can't explain books then you betray either your own ignorance, or your selfishness in withholding such an explanation at which point you've broken social contract in discussion and made enemies out of the receivers of your message.

>>119635

Holy shit you are delusional. That will never happen in this world.

>>119636

Good for you; not many people can bend far enough to kiss their own ass.

>>119637

Quit promoting the astral realm. You're only benefiting a rare few people with the chemical imbalances already necessary to achieve that level of dream-based hallucination. Everyone else isn't helped at all and no amount of training is going to fix something as fundamental as brain structure and chemicals.

>>119638

In other words, you believe symbolism helps cure people of depression and empower their happiness, if they focus on the one true intentional symbol that pleases them most. It doesn't work in the long-term and only somewhat helps in the short-term, insofar as any great symbol might inspire someone.

>>119639

All of that sounds ridiculous and you're justifying not giving evidence with being afraid of repercussions. If you're too afraid to provide evidence, don't bother making unbacked claims in the first place.

>>119640

I suppose the homeless person who gargled a ton of semen and crack has a lot of advice to offer as well -fairly certain a thread on the Internet by Epyc Wynn won't affect how homeless, depraved, and pitiful that person's life is though.

>>119641

That thread and that book will not be beneficial to me in any way because I can already see you like all other false magi will make big claims, not provide sufficient evidence, and then give explanations for how to apply your claims that are at some point a mix of ridiculous and impossible.

>>119642

Please post while sane next time.

>>119643

Seriously, stop. Get some help.

>>119652

One-word memetic responses in the face of overwhelming argumentation and testimony, are pathetic.

>>119653

That has nothing to do with the OP.

>>119654

Speak for yourself not through a video.

>>119896

Additionally,

The area of tulpamancy has serious potential for the area of Self Influence, and in turns self-improvement, if approached from a more objective standpoint. Tulpas are imaginary characters created by your mind. You are able to grant these imaginary characters pseudo-free will, as it is near impossible to grant an imaginary character true free will. At most if I were to put it to a percentage, I can only grant an imaginary character in my mind about 10% true free will and 90% pseudo free will, where true free will is the character appearing to act of their own volition without me making them, and pesudo-free will is essentially me roleplaying an interaction with an imaginary product of my imagination. To give a tulpa 100% free will would be a fully realized tulpa, and mean it is fully independent and able to think and act on its own; however this would be quite dangerous considering tulpas exist inside your brain and could fuck you up horribly. It would arguably be a borderline split personality at that point. With that in mind, there's likely a psychological evolutionary reason for why we are not able to do that; imagine the rampant insanity and disorders that would ensue from people being able to create free willed being inside their minds.

But anyway, I divided my brain into eight categories based on what I most observe and experience in my life: illusions, illuminations, order, chaos, positivity, negativity, progress, and regress. I think made a tulpa to represent each of these categories, and based the tulpas on previous personalities and characters I'd observed in my life. This creates a hierarchy akin to one you'd see on the Internet, with me being the owner and head admin of the server that is my brain, while these 8 tulpas would be the moderators of those eight respective categories.

Your brain should be thought of as a giant Internet server or website with lots of rampant users; with the users being ideas and feelings. If you do not keep the userbase of your brain properly moderated, it will make your server a shithole of abuse and chaos. But likewise, if you over-moderate your mind, your server will become an intolerable dictatorship unable to tolerate certain ideas and ways of thinking, as is observed by the overly controlling minds of religious and political extremists. Thus, you have to train your tulpas to properly moderate the ideas within the aspects of your mind you assign them to be responsible for.

Tulpas can be used both as partners of roleplayed conversation, and as personas to guide you through difficult situations, such as taking on a leaderly tulpa's persona during an interview, or a philosphical tulpa's persoa while typng a post on the Internet such as this one. Tulpas are also extremely helpful for inventing similar story characters for written and artful creative works.

Think of tulpas, metaphorically and in no way literally, as the Gods comprising the pantheon of your mind, with you being the One True God reigning in the mind. However, if you oppress them, they will react accordingly, and if you bend to their wills, they will react accordingly. So you have to understand how to maintain a balance of sociability and authority when dealing with tulpas you have assigned to perform jobs in your mind, regardless if they have a lot of or a little authority. How you treat your tulpas will be teaching yourself how to act towards others, and what you do to them will influence what you do or will do to others; but only a little bit.

Does this work? Can an average person do this? I have a very average intelligence, so yes. However, you cannot expect all the tulpas to 100% always be conscious, always be acting, always be moderating/administrating your mind. However, when you are in a pickle with something that relates to the job of a tulpa, you will naturally think about that tulpa and in turn that tulpa will act accordingly.

I use 12 main tulpas in total; 8 with moderating powers over their own specific aspect of my mind, and 4 with administrative powers over two tulpas and in turn two aspects of my mind. I reign over this hierarchy, but since every tulpa knows everything I know, we usually get along regardless of overwhelming differences in personality that in real life would result in murdering each other due to lack of understanding.

Again, this is all entirely acts of acting and roleplaying with imaginary personas/characters. But if it works, and if it shows clear benefits, then I'd say eat a slice of humble pie and attempt these childish things as you'll find the results worth it.

~Epyc Wynn

>>119887

Magic is real. No one in our world has ever discovered and documented it. But when someone finally discovers and documents it, and someone will, this whole world will be turned upside-down.

~Epyc Wynn

>>119898

What do you think of the phenomena of changing consciousness focus altering the outcome of randomized events?

Such as random number generators being seemingly influenced when one focuses on them and wills it?

What do you think the significance of the fact that those who meditate often are more able to influence previously mentioned random number generators relative to those who don't meditate much or not at all?

What do you think of quantum mechanics? Specifically how consciousnesses seemingly forces the universe to decide on a definite outcome?

What about the snowflake experiment where one thinks of nasty or hurtful things while watching snowflakes form and compare it to snowflakes that formed while thinking about happy things directed at the snowflakes?

Would you say things like this are examples of real magic?

>>119947

Toss everything but the quantum mechanics information out the fucking window, because it's got a 90% probability of being horseshit rooted in occultists wanting too-good-to-be-true research with fundamental faults, to turn out true. In my experience here, the kind of research you just described is usually followed by revelations of flaws and debunk-able issues in relation to the research, so miss me with that delusional research. You have to understand the fact many scientists have and still do wish that magic were real, but thorough testing and bodies of research they have conducted and compiled have shown them otherwise. It doesn't take a genius, to point these things out to you. A common person could tell you these things in more concise words. Don't let the fringe hivemind influence you into doubting your fellow people's trials and errors. The day magic is revealed even a little bit to a few, is the day it is revealed fully to all.

The Observer Effect, is what you're talking about, and in relation to quantum physics, it's not only overwhelmingly proven, but is fundamental to the core mainstream framework of contemporary scientific understanding.

But the Observer Effect doesn't do jack shit magic-wise unless it can actually be harnessed pragmatically which to my knowledge has yet to be done.

It is however important to keep the Observer Effect in mind when studying the occult/fringe. It is also an unintentionally effective way of explaining how people feel towards one another when being watched, acting differently when watched versus acting another way when not. This relates in part to how people feel toward governments spying on them, or work superiors monitoring them, or families invading their privacy.

Influence, permeates All.

Mind Mapping, I believe is part of the end-game for the fringe/occult field of thought and "study". Symbols are mapped in unique ways because they represent ideas, the relationships of those ideas, and how to organize those ideas as a whole in your brain. In school, any of you should be familiar with a diagram, such as a web-shaped diagram: this is a form of mind mapping.

I find it is far easier to map a mind map when you are the one making it, rather than mapping a mind map inside your mind, based on a mind map you are reading.

I leave you all with 2 mind maps. The non-colored mind map is mine. The colored mind map I found on this board. Keep in mind, the Lotus of Studies I made roughly… 3 years ago, and did so while I was studying occult transhumanism (which I find interesting, but in no way would vouch for the validity of at this time).

The bottom line though, is that if we can map how people organize their thoughts, we can fundamentally change the people in a way philosophies can only dream of. Philosophies significantly alter and affect how people perceive the world and how information is absorbed, processed, and restated in their minds. But the fact is the mind map does so to far greater effect; and hypothetically can work splendidly in unison with complementary philosophies.

A word of caution though: the man of one philosophy and one mind map, is a raving fucking looney; the man of many philosophies and many mind maps, is a wizened sage.

~Epyc Wynn

>>119794

>a few years

Horsepower can result in speed (Bugatti Veyron) or traction (a CASE tractor). A bugatti will not pull a 4000lb hay wagon, even if it has several times as much "horsepower" as the tractor. The bugatti is using those 1001 horses to get from point A to point B in a hurry. The CASE tractor is using those 110 horses to push the earth down and away from it, pulling its load along with it.

The tractor has almost a tenth of the "horsepower", but still does ten times the work, unless you only care about how quickly you arrived at your destination and not what you brought with you.

The time spent is meaningless, it's the results that matter. I'm proud of you for achieving something with your time, but you're deluding yourself if you believe you've proven anything here.

>>122118

>>119505

>>119506

Yeah this place should become a self-improvement /fitpollitfringe/ board. Fitness and core political literature to keep the schizo and loserdom away (I know the state of being in both, and I recognize it for what it is as well), as well as serving the purpose of building a well made foundation of positive direction and independent well-informed thinking. It's direct medicine to everything wrong with /fringe/, which is a poverty and CORRUPTION of culture, mental and physical illness, rather than richness and GREATNESS of culture.

Besides that, keeping the /fringe/ to the clearly grounded (world power games, history being made, hidden moves, hidden motivations, etc.),

mentally stimulating (mental exercises, unique skills, single derivative highly applied classic /fringe/ such as WWA but with less fucking woowoo conjecture surrounding it (single derivative from conventional understanding of human ability or physics; quantum physics isn't physics it's bs),

fringe culture besides fringe views on the big agendas, motives, events in the world such as strange idealistic projects and communities online, games, lifestyle/real life, alternative living, homesteading, herbal medicine, alternative fitness (?), alternative gaming (?), alternative art and music, alternative foods and drinks, etc etc etc alternative alternative alternative but not more than 1 degree separate from culture. Speculation into the 2nd degree of separation should be conservative and tasteful or otherwise strongly backed and specific.

It is said that everything connects within 6 degrees of separation. This is the degree of meaninglessness. The 5th then is almost meaningless. Onto the 4th we begin on the fringe of context to reality, and to the 3rd we have something vacuously relevant and intangible though people seem to try and pin some specifics down for some god forsaken reason, and 2 degrees of separation is where conjecture so easily misses but can be very meaningful and useful when on-point, whilst 1 degree of separation is the common wealth where we should dedicate much of our attention, and finally 0 degrees of separation is when we are focused on the matter at hand without deflection and must learn how to give most of our attention and effort to purely for the benefit that concentration and constancy brings.

Continuing and Clarifying:

/fringe/ should be 0 or 1 degrees separate from tasteful culture, with 2 degrees of separation being conservative and an on-going productive discussion of the matter in an attempt to build consensus.

/fringe/ should be literate and fit, to avoid the most common and obvious of mental, social and physical trappings, and to lay the foundation for positive and tasteful culture. /fringe/ should be grounded and healthy with a strong base.

/fringe/ should be politically literate, to build its culture and discussion beyond the repetitive and redundant, to discuss current events and history, and speculate on hidden motives, strategies, actions, and powers and build the culture of /fringe/.

/fringe/ should have interesting mental exercises, skills, classic /fringe/ stuff but with a greater emphasis on the application of skills with occlusion of all 'magic' or woowoo in general. Visualization, tactile exercises are great. Summoning demons is ridiculous.

This would make /fringe/ great. A focus on improving, creating and building culture is essential.

>>122116

There is the conscious hivemind, which is the collective mind comprised of all individuals' intentional/non-automated awareness within the collective's brains. There is the unconscious hivemind, which is the collective mind comprised of all individuals' unintentional/automated awareness within the collective's brains. These are two primary abstract categories of the hivemind, though it should be noted these are imagined categories and do not reflect a definitive observable separation between collective consciousness/unconsiousness as both are intertwined at all times, even if at many times one is clearly dominant over the other.

There is the consciousness of an individual, which is the collection of intentional/non-automated awareness within the individual's brain. There is the unconsciousness of an individual, which is the collection of unintentional/automated awareness within the individual's brain. These are the two primary abstract categories of the brain, though it should be noted these are imagined categories and do not reflect a definitive observable separation between consciousness/unconsciousness as both are intertwined at all times, even if at many times one is clearly dominant over the other.

Subconsciousness is just the grey area between consciousness and unconsciousness, and as such it's easier to just talk about the consciousness and unconsciousness as two ends of one spectrum rather than talk about the grey area in the middle of this spectrum. If I'm talking about consciousness, assume I'm talking about the top 50% of that spectrum which is mostly semi-intentional-to-intentional or semi-non-automated-to-non-automated; if I'm talking about unconsciousness, assume I'm talking about the bottom 50% of that spectrum which is mostly

unintentional and heavily automated.

As for the occult/esoteric/fringe/magic value of consciousness and unconsciousness, the consciousness and unconsciousness are magical, and much of them are occult, fringe, and esoteric in nature. But, they aren't quite worthy of being treated as magic in themselves. Imagining God is not the same as meeting God. That is to say, if the most you can do with magic is entertain yourself with nice thoughts and inspire your body to create nice things, you have created entertainment and progress, but you have not created what the common person could call magic.

Entertainment and creative progress may technically be products of the magical nature of consciousness and unconsciousness, but if that's the best magic can do, we as well not call this magic or instead study it as if it's magic and instead study the media and engineering that surrounds us because we'd get the same effect or better from that in most cases anyway.

For it to be magic worthy of being viewed as magic and not merely scientific or mundane phenomena, the magic practitioner must be able to alter, obtain, or experience reality/information without using any technology or the biological body's/brain's presently commonly/scientifically acknowledged and recorded physical and mental abilities. Though ironically, by this definition that would mean once it is commonly or scientifically (among acknowledged scientists) acknowledged and recorded it would no longer be worthy of notice; which would not be particularly accurate seeing as it could indeed still be magical and not mundane, but that's the best parameter I can define for what magic is worthy of being treated as magic and what magic is merely scientific or commonly acknowledged information unworthy of significant awe.

And since I know it'll be brought up, meditation, altered states of consciousness, hypnosis, dreaming, and lucid dreaming, aren't worthy of being called magic. They are mere psychological states produced by combinations of the imagination and states of relaxation triggered by chemicals and hormones which create entertainment value insofar as they can in certain cases trigger intensive imagined sensational experiences.

And astral projection isn't real. It's the product of one imagining the whole thing based on pieces of patterns and experiences one naturally invents, recalls, and blends together into a lucid dream mistaken for astral projection.

That should just about cover all the major subjects of conscious/unconscious inquiry by students of the occult.

~Epyc Wynn

>>122117

>>122118

Your bugatti is shoddy.

Your dangalang is floppy.

My dangalang is bigger.

You're an occult bullshitter.

~Epyc Wynn

>>122131

Those are all valid points and I am grateful for the books you chose to list. However, your images and words imply a favoritism of /pol/, so I believe you should be reminded of an obvious truth 8chan users too easily forget.

/pol/ censors people. If you care about the right wing, then that means you care about free speech, and if you care about free speech, don't fucking celebrate /pol/.

Anyone who claims to be part of the right wing while also decrying any form of free speech, is not a true member of the right wing and is a leftist authoritarian in denial. Do not embrace or celebrate any group who would engage in such a practice.

I have been repeatedly censored, anchored, had my post deleted, had my thread deleted, with one of my threads totaling over 400 replies in 8chan's /pol/. And I have been banned at least three times from there now. All of this, for bringing up on separate occasions the topic of Bernie Sanders, the topic of Transhumanism, and the topic of a user being banned from Discord.

/pol/ users are slaves to /pol/'s thought-police censor-happy moderators. Do not use or celebrate them or you are enslaving yourself to the authoritarian safe space they police the free speech of only to favor their biases. Authoritarianism is the gateway to leftism. Leftism is the gateway to postmodernism. Postmodernism is the gateway to ignorance.

~Epyc Wynn

>>122132

All of that would be incredible.

Our politics by Kybalion standards would be alt-center, meaning they'd be at the dead center of the political spectrum yet still alternate from existing normal political ideologies, and would be best described as magic nationalist social democracy based on trends in thought I have observed on this board. Shortening that term, we can call it Manasocracy, since it sounds like mana and sorcery while also containing the ma of magic, na of nationalism, so of social, and ocracy of democracy.

Candidates we would favor would include anyone who is iconic, as by memetic magical standards the more memetic candidates (generally the extreme or flashy ones) are the ones with the most potent influential power, which by magical perspective translates to magical power over others. This would mean we'd favor anyone from Teddy Roosevelt to Donald Trump, though we'd naturally prefer iconic candidates who are magical, nationalists, and social democrats. We would grant bonus points to candidates who took on alt-center ideologies or policies such as technocracy, anarcho-memeism, etcetera.

We should develop a culture, but first /fringe/ as a collective must start coming to terms with the reality of our abilities, versus what we wish our abilities were and the lies we fool ourselves into believing in order to feel important.

~Epyc Wynn

>>122151

You presented a nice little ditty

But you're not even a succulent titty

Your teensy little dicky

Couldn't even flip me

You're speaking to a mirror

And your posts keep getting queerer

You present a cute image

That offers nothing to this visage

Your rhymes are sophomoric

My rhymes get hyperbolic

Maybe you're the messiah

Yet still I rise higher.

I encourage you to keep trying,

in the process your ego's dying.

>>122170

/pol/ means politically incorrect; not right wing. It was invented to enable political free speech online for people with obscure or extreme belief systems. To then bullshit me, by stating that it is meant to be a right wing echo-chamber and thus I should shut up about subjects which may alter or contradict right wing beliefs, is an affront to basic communication and argumentation; further, it is the basis of thought-policing, authoritarianism, and oppression; none of which are what political incorrectness stands for! To then further insinuate we should have a /fringe/ culture inspired by censorship, when our board is literally built on promoting free thought through ridiculous concepts and experimentation, goes against our board's fundamental purpose of existing. For you to actively back the disgusting censorship of the power-abusing moderators on /pol/ is disgusting and proves just how far the culture and hierarchy of /pol/ has fallen from its original intended purpose. A group which does not tolerate dissent is a group worthy of swift righteous destruction; such as groups who put dissenters in gulags.

It is not about whether a subject is worthy or not of a thread; all subjects are worthy. As long as it is somewhat political, it's relevant; and that includes most topics. To insinuate that a thought is not worthy of expression because it doesn't please the hivemind, goes against basic individuality and discussion necessary to productive thought and honest bonding as opposed to dishonest self-censorship.

To say that evidence and characterization is efficient on /pol/, whilst openly admitting that evidence to the contrary is unworthy of discussion and should be censored, proves just how inefficient and cherry-picked all evidencing and characterization on /pol/ is.

To say that one must request permission to discuss a subject, or that one must already agree with potentially flawed arguments of others in order to bring up a disagreed upon subject, only means that anything which goes against the hivemind mentality of the board is not allowed, regardless of its validity. Further, this assumes that such a censor-happy anti dissent hivemind could possibly be capable of properly dismantling and criticizing a subject which is flatly false due to the fact they cannot criticize through any lens or line of logic outside of what's already pre-approved by the moderators who have systematically and structurally crafted the culture of /pol/ to only favor the political biases of moderators.

To criticize the subjects of transhumanism, Bernie Sanders, and bans, whilst also justifying the censorship of arguments in favor of transhumanism, reveals your own hate and fear of an opposing argument, which I can safely state is highly reflective of /pol/'s core userbase and moderators which cannot handle any argument that is not the pinnacle of sensationalist extremism promoting murder or oppression.

For you then to make the asinine claim that me engaging in free speech discussion arguing a belief /pol/ users don't agree with, is a form of enforcement and thus bad because I'm "enforcing" my belief on others, but not call out the literal power-abuse-based enforcement done by moderators in going out of their way to censor my free speech rather than discuss or argue the points, shows that you don't actually care about enforcement so long as the enforcement is done against any free speech you disagree with, which is cowardly and promotes an ignorant hivemind which censors the other side of an argument's proponents as opposed to the supposed "critical" hivemind you proclaim it to be which would actually mean allowing dissenters to speak freely and prove their cases without fear of censorship.

Users have the universal, inalienable, self-given rights to free speech, free love, and freedom from abuse of power. To call it righteous to defile a user's right to free speech is scummy and wrong. To call it righteous to defile a user's right to freedom from abuse of power is scummy and wrong. Policing a safe-space is everything that leftism stands for, and is everything you have stated /pol/ stands for. This is not a preservation of progress; it is the preservation of a glass house which cannot handle direct criticism from "outsiders".

~Epyc Wynn

>>122170

/pol/ is not a board worthy of /fringe/'s embrace. It abuses its users openly and does not represent political incorrectness; only a safe space for the biases of moderators and the users who generally believe the biases of the moderators. This is not the maintenance of cohesion; this is the manufacturing of thought slaves.

/pol/'s thought policing safe space tactics would bastardize our free-thinking board and should thus not be embraced or made core to our culture. /pol/ is an affront to basic memetics on the basis of censoring memes, an affront to basic chaos magic on the basis of limiting freedom, and an affront to general magic on the basis of limiting how we can and cannot think. No true /fringe/ user should ever defend censorship of free speech or oppression of freedom.

~Epyc Wynn

>>122171

All of those ideas are terrible. We should improve, but your definition of improvement is the opposite of improvement. All you want is another thought-policing safe space for a "status quo" where the status quo is a hegemony of hivemind mentality normie traditions built upon meaningless cultural trends and history. You would not create the right environment for growth; you would destroy the opportunity for such an environment to exist by outcasting anyone who doesn't fit the idealized hegemony you have imagined. You, my brother, have disgusted me personally and your ideals would lead to individuals such as myself being outcasted and banned. You've succeeded in making an enemy out of me personally, your own family member, in threatening me and my freethinking /fringe/ family who wish to innovate and not be confined to your illusion of safety and your mislabeling of devolution as growth.

Freedom ends where oppression begins. Oppress, and you shall be oppressed. Free, and you shall be freed.

~Epyc Wynn

>>122175

>>122178

"I fucked up" you sure did. People who don't value the present don't understand magic. A core part of enlightenment is becoming one with the present moment.

>>122187

Yes, I invented that term just now while making that post. Feel free to promote it and embrace it if you don't want the term to fade and die like a weak meme.

>>122189

Please view this post's image for your reply.

>>122212

>You've succeeded in making an enemy out of me personally, your own family member, in threatening me and my freethinking /fringe/ family who wish to innovate and not be confined to your illusion of safety and your mislabeling of devolution as growth.

Hoooooly shit. You're one of the most pathetic charity cases I've ever seen.

>>122218

Oppression is not charity. I do not desire the false charity of oppression, and will always reject the offer.

>>122217

If /pol/ users wish to invade our territory like the immigrants they decry and bastardize our digital government like the EU they decry, they will be made into cannon fodder by the /fringe/ users they attempt to decry. We will fight any and all attempts at oppression of our /fringe/ free speech, thought, and practice, as we have always done against corporations and influential behemoths. /fringe/ is not 8chan's top board, but all it would take is one bad choice by /pol/ to change who stands on top here. If /pol/ wants to throw down the gauntlet and challenge us, they're welcome to try. May the great ones rise and the weak ones fall as all memes and memers always have and all memes and memers always will.

~Epyc Wynn

>>122219

Who is this "we" you think that you speak for? You're a simpleton with a thesaurus and a swollen ego in need of a pricking.

>>122230

Which is why you responded with an image of the incarnation of egotism. Listen, you don't need an ego to stand up for your self. I'm just doing my job here and I'm fine with that. It's not about ego; it's about having a sense of humor and the ability to convey it as freely as I wish to. If you can't have fun, you can't live. There's so many reasons why oppression is wrong, and universally the reason is we need freedom. But personally, I just want to have fun. Who cares if you're God? Who cares if you're man? Boosting one's ego with the illusion of specialness is boring and useless. Having fun and doing it righteously is just a natural part of living properly.

>>122233

Reliable

And

Profitable

Elation

~Epyc Wynn

>>122209

>/pol/

>free speech

Get with the fucking times, 8/pol/ is cucked beyond repair, all the effortposters are gone and replaced by redditors engaging in newfig on newfig sillytalking.

If you want to maintain some decency you need to start enforcing it.

Good example: (pic related)

https://meguca.org/html/mod-log/pol

>>122219

>/pol/ and /fringe/ are fundamentally different

Lurk more faggot. hint: see the flags?

>>122254

>/pol/ should pin what it collectively agrees on.

>that's not a constitution

>playing postmodernist grammarian word games

>implying politics has nothing to do with morality

>implying not bending over like a pussy to what you want makes me the victim

>mundane insults

>attacking a defender of /fringe/ because we don't want to be owned by /pol/ via their culture just like how China tries to own Taiwan through their culture

>implying people who don't bend to your desires are religious liberals

>calling it a slippery slope to defend free speech

>implying people who abuse their digital powers should not be held accountable

>implying defending free speech is a form of censorship

>implying there is no difference between the offline world and the online world

>implying /pol/ is so weak it could not exist without the help of the safe space thought police

>implying you need permission before you can disagree with someone

>implying disagreement with the collective hivemind is retarded if it ever involves a political leaning you don't identify with personally

>implying not agreeing with you is virtue signalling

>implying thoughts and opinions are not productive to discussion if the hivemind doesn't agree with them

>implying dissenting arguments should be jailed to one thread rather than allowed to flow freely like normal arguments

>embodying the receiving end of the "u mad" meme because someone has viewpoints you disagree with

>implying people who don't let you walk all over them have a victim complex

>implying your dogmatic child-like ideals are not dogmatic child-like ideals whilst calling disagreements with your dogmatic child-like ideals, dogmatic child-like ideals

>implying reality is the status quo and anything which seeks to alter that status quo, even if it's possible, is unrealistic

>implying disagreeing with you is projection, whilst projecting your own issues onto me

>implying anyone who disagrees with you has a "glass house" mind easily broken by you

>implying anyone who disagrees with you is egotistic

>implying the thoughts of women are inferior

I can see you are a greater enemy to yourself than I could ever hope to be.

~Epyc Wynn

>>122254

In response to the second half of your replies:

>implying anyone who thinks in 2-dimensional self-confirming slippery slopes should be banned, whilst conveying you think in 2-dimensional self-confirming slippery slopes

>implying chaos is bad, on our /fringe/ board where our culture is heavily tied to the theme of chaos

>implying freedom means being self-disciplined and self-reliant, whilst having already admitted that /pol/'s users must rely on their thought police's censorship in order to continue existing

>implying 8chan is not built around conveying hate to anyone with a differing opinion from the board's overall opinion

>implying your active promotion of /fringe/ becoming a safe space policed against differing views is fine but me actively attacking that notion is in itself promoting a safe space and is thus not fine

>implying you are a hypocrite who is projecting and lacks self-awareness

>implying… something about my mother and father who I have never mentioned nor blame

>implying fishing for attacks you don't even know will actually work instead of directly arguing the points being made

>implying you know what's best for a board you are clearly trying to create policed censorship for because you hate the board

>implying promoting censorship is brave but fighting censorship is "spineless"

>implying not agreeing with you is thin-skinned

>implying people should repeat historical trends despite a common trend throughout history being that you are supposed to learn from history so you don't repeat its countless mistakes

>implying /fringe/ users who favor anarchism are bad despite anarchism and freedom being core parts of our board's culture

>yet again attacking /fringe/ having claimed you know what's best for /fringe/ because your heavily policed board mods raised you to think this way

>implying we should enslave ourselves to the manipulation of historical figures such as Hitler who have successfully managed to manipulate you from beyond the grave

>using the word "punk" unironically to insult someone who doesn't conform to your delusion of what the status quo should be

>implying it is not pragmatic for me to protect the free speech I rely on every day, but it is pragmatic for me bend to your censor-happy whims because you say so

>comparing the "frontier," a term regularly used to refer to places with minimal law enforcement, in reference to heavy policing

>implying we need oppression in order to survive oppression

>implying we need to act how you want us to in order to survive the policing you want done in a way that suits you and not the rest of us

>implying it is healthy to oppress people into thinking one way but it is unhealthy to think for ourselves

>implying that we should insult people who are different rather than learn from or teach them

>stating you are a bully like it is something we should accept after having promoted we create a new group of oppressive mods with the sole intention of bullying users who think or act differently

>implying it is destructive to defend against the destruction of free speech

>implying defending the practices of others means I myself engage in said practices

>implying it is wrong to engage in magical practices when our board's culture is built around magical practices

>implying one must be special in order to believe in something different or ridiculous, whilst promoting the practices of the /pol/ board which is known for being different and ridiculous

>projecting your desire to take us down with you, onto the person actively arguing against your desire to destroy and police our thoughts, our practices, and our culture

It is a cruel irony that 8chan, a website built around free speech, has individuals who rely on that free speech vehemently promote the destruction of free speech just so it will favor their biases.

~Epyc Wynn

>>122259

/pol/ is only cucked beyond repair because its users agreed to let their mods enslave their minds in exchange for the illusion of power.

Policing against opposing thoughts proves the weakness of the protected thoughts.

>/fringe/ and /pol/ are fundamentally similar

I don't think you even lurked.

~Epyc Wynn

>>122260

>implying you cannot handle people with opposing views

>implying your views are weak to criticism and opposition

>implying /pol/'s moderators, who actively censor anyone who disagrees with their artificially constructed status quo, aren't parasites

>implying part of the culture you dislike should be censored because it doesn't suit your personal biases

Man this sounds pathetic. /pol/ users used to bravely fight anyone any time anywhere when it came to arguing for their views and against other views. Now because of the moderators and individuals including you, /pol/ users became snowflakes unable to handle opposition. You're setting yourselves up for complete annihilation, much like how the Native Americans were wiped out because they'd never had smallpox. That which is censored is that which is feared. You can run from opposing ideas, but the more they are censored and avoided within your life, the weaker you are in handling them. So much for a master race.

~Epyc Wynn

>>122266

YOU HAVE SUMMONED THE ETERNAL MEME DRAGON. STATE YOUR WISH AND I SHALL GRANT IT.

~Epyc Wynn

>>122270

>retreating in defeat from an opposing argument

Okay /fringe/, I have defeated /pol/ in memetic combat. As of now our new political philosophy is Manasocracy, meaning we overall believe in mana, sorcery, magic, nationalism, and social democracy.

~Epyc Wynn

>>122278

YOUR WISH IS GRANTED.

~Epyc Wynn

>>122286

<using reddit arrows

>not using chan arrows

wew lad

>>122287

The government is the core brain and backbone of a culture's body. Mods and admins accordingly should be viewed as the governing body, and accordingly be held responsible for the rules and official judgments affecting the culture. Especially, when rules and judgments pertain to censorship or punishment.

Mods are only ousted based on what the board's owner(s) want, and usually the board's owners blindly favor the mods unless the mods happen to go against the admin's personal biases. This should be obvious, and you can observe this behavior commonly on websites, especially in forums and servers. Boards which censor, weed out the potentially good posters in pursuit of only posters which reflect and regurgitate in interesting ways the biases not of the userbase, but of the mods and admins who in turn artificially craft the culture and beliefs of the userbase. It is thus no wonder you have observed good posters leaving, considering they don't want to be censored either; that or they just realized that the censorship has made the community so weak it's not worth holding discussion in since there's a lack of conflict and thus it's boring. Free speech, isn't just about ethics: it's fun. The most boring thing in the world is censorship because it eliminates possibilities like no other limitation can.

And also, Trump was never the issue here. Just as Anonymous embraced the Guy Fawkes mask since it best conveyed their message while also protecting their faces, Trump was embraced by /pol/ since it best conveyed their message while also having a chance of actually winning the election: which he DID, proving that was absolutely the strategically correct thing to do. To then turn around, like a Communist gulager, and say "Trump has served his purpose; not let us end him and shift the goal posts," proves that you don't even care about /pol/. All you want is to shift the goal posts more and more to suit your personal biases, whether it's /pol/ or /fringe/, even if this comes to the detriment of our 8chan communities.

The enemy of intelligence and innovation has always been censorship because it prevents improvement and adaptation necessary to survival both socially and scientifically. Free speech is necessary to survival and quality of life as a result of this. Free speech should definitely be valued higher than high energy posters forced into a tiny box of censorship for no reason other than to empower a mod-admin bias which is not nearly as beneficial to users as the full body of free speech is. What makes /pol/ good, was removed a long time ago by /pol/ moderators and administrators. They enable and enforce censorship of political incorrectness that doesn't fit their biases. It isn't right even right anymore to call it /pol/ when it's not about political incorrectness: it's about the biases of the mods and admins being law while you and the rest of /pol/'s users are made their thought slaves.

~Epyc Wynn

>>122287

I've seen what happened on /pol/ and it went from a semi-good idea nearly a decade ago, to a very bad idea controlled by a few admins and mods. Monkey see monkey do? You're the monkey, and you're doing what they tell you to. I'm the free being telling you to free yourself from your captors you've mistaken for your protectors. /pol/ would be far more effective and eventful if the mods and admins only policed against non-political discussion and pedophilia. Then maybe the board could actually call itself Politically Incorrect in more than name alone.

Your implied theory that /pol/ is more effective and eventful because of the mass censorship and subservience to your ruling mod-admin class, is not true because 4chan's /b/ was far more effective by creating a movement known as Anonymous which took down Scientology. Most chan users knows /b/ is notorious for a lack of moderation in any capacity. /pol/ created some propaganda that backed Trump sure, but who knows how much that actually helped compared to all the other outside forces and Russian aid. /pol/ didn't make any original movements or philosophies. All /pol/ is, is an echo-chamber which rips off Nazis through roleplay and combines them with a poorly drawn frog that was never funny. /pol/ has a few half-baked photoshopped flags, a whole lot of new-age half-baked ideological concepts that easily crumble and never take on widespread appeal, and forced artificially manufactured political propaganda people find boring and repetitive. The last time /pol/ did something unexpected or new, was never. I can guarantee /pol/ will destroy itself because it's become boring, repetitive, and a glass house of censorship. At this point, it is only a matter before more people realize how obvious this is.

So no, I will not get into or aid you in the construction of the hypothetical cage of censorship you propose stuffing members of /fringe/ into. Your proposed cage is built in a glass house of bias destined for destruction. I personally oppose and fight your endeavor. We don't want to be fragile and reliant on contrived oppression like you are.

~Epyc Wynn

>>122293

>implying defending free speech is the same as a hostile takeover by Reddit

>implying a website which openly promotes itself as a bastion of free speech is like Reddit

>implying 8chan has been taken over by Reddit since it openly promotes free speech

>implying the censor-happy website Reddit promotes free speech

>implying anything which does not oppress people is Reddit

>having no understanding of Reddit despite how ridiculously normie-tier mainstream it is

>implying identifying as a /pol/ack means you thus want to oppress people just like /pol/'s mods and admins do

>implying that people who fight for free speech must censor all opposition

>having no understanding of how a free speech activist operates

>having no understanding of how free speech works

I'm not the kind of person who is made from their causes; I'm the kind of person causes are made from. If you play identity politics with an individualist, you'll always lose. Individualists don't want collective approval; not even from each other. We're the pirates of thought and land, and we do as we please because we trust the righteousness of our well-aged instincts. If you tout your enslavement to authoritarian collectivist censors, you've already proven you died a long time ago and what's left is the husk being manipulated by a large influential body of bullshit. At that point, I pity the free will that once inhabited your mind, and will gladly battle the demonic collective that stole your soul.

~Epyc Wynn

>>122254

>epic bitch

LOOK AND LEARN. This is what a true meme god looks like.

I pray that name sticks. SMIB. Amen.

>>122304

>"You clearly never been to 8ch /pol/ for more than 2 seconds and have no practical grasp of the variables involved."

I was there long enough to have a thread I made with over 400 replies deleted and my account banned, because the mods dislike Transhumanism even though the users found it interesting enough to reply hundreds of times to.

>"You are an outsider who hasn't even looked in and are shitting the board up by making up everything that you're saying with grandiose airs using outdated references and websites that AREN'T FUCKING 8CH YOU SIMIAN SAD SACK OF SHIT."

You're calling me the outsider, after having thoroughly conveyed yourself as an outsider from /pol/ trying to alter /fringe/ to suit your personal biases. For that matter, apparently posting numerous threads on the board even when they're repeatedly deleted wasn't enough to convince you of my activeness there, meaning nothing reasonable would convince you. From there your argument stop making any sense so, I guess you really showed me how… you don't like old references and your entire life is built around this single website and no other.

>"I don't want /fringe/ to be /pol/ and /pol/ as it is isn't a great political board but it IS a good board in general and HAS been a great political board at varying times in its history."

So you're blatantly lying now, as you clearly want /fringe/ to culturally and governmentally operate more like /pol/. Bullshit on you acting like you can claim you both do and don't want to corrupt /fringe/ to be just like /pol/. Yes, you do. And no, /pol/ was never great and from the outset has gradually strayed further and further from its original vision of being a bastion of political incorrectness for all political leanings instead of just the biases of the mods and admins which it is today.

>"No you retard chimpanzee. I'm talking about conformity to a central core userbase with a strong and persistent culture that has survived many a shill, newfiggot, mod and dissenter."

Apparently, anyone who disagrees with your conveyed meanings is in your view a retarded devolved human, because disagreement for you is the same as someone proving they are dumb and ignorant. Again, you are showing that you don't care about what I am saying and solely want to attack anyone who disagrees with you rather than confront the logic itself. It is your own fault for poorly conveying yourself, especially when you do heavily imply throughout everything you say that you believe /pol/ is more effective and eventful because of the censorship and subservience you approve of. Conformity, is the end result achieved by mass censorship and subservience. This does not make the userbase strong, but merely weeds out anyone capable of pointing out flaws of the artificially constructed hegemony of /pol/. You call it survival, rather than improvement, to be confronted by a someone who disagrees, going so far as calling them dissenters rather than fellow /pol/ users. It shows you don't care about being right, but only about "winning" a "war". You are not going to help /fringe/ because you actively are promoting a cultural and governmental war with us. So I was wrong: you aren't implying, you are outright stating you believe censorship and subservience are key to establishing a hegemony of efficient warriors who will blindly fight for your biases, regardless that you're completely in the wrong.

>"You contrived and obtuse primordial sludge. You knuckled dragging ape. You devolution. You literally don't know jack shit about /pol/ and are basing your opinions on your very very very few experiences of /pol/ and a 4chan fucking /pol/ from a decade ago. You think /pol/ elected Trump and you know nothing outside of this one arguable (yet I'm sure a pollack with the evidence saved could redpill me on this but I'm not 100% certain) point. You are ignorant. You have no fucking clue what you're even talking about."

Oh you really were aiming for calling anyone who disagrees with you devolved. I don't believe you understand /pol/, and I definitely believe you've been there longer than I have yet understand far less. My experiences are thorough on /pol/. As for 4chan, that website is disorganized and poorly coded and ever since GamerGate everyone knows not to expect free speech from that shithole so thus we all left to 8chan. People who don't believe in free speech don't believe in 8chan's very basis for existence whilst mooching off our resource of free speech whilst promoting its destruction like the hypocrites that they, and you, are. You are projecting your own ignorance onto me; I know exactly what I'm talking about. As for Trump, I did not claim /pol/ elected Trump and only pointed out THEY think that, which a large portion of /pol/ definitely does.

~Epyc Wynn

>>122304

In response to the second half of your post:

Specify what body temperature and blood pumping is good and bad, and what aspect of them triggers hormonal responses and tissue damages. Specify what leads to a better composition, progress, and those miscellaneous benefits.

Nutrition and dieting vary greatly from person to person and usually requires a large amount of money being spent on a nutritionist for regular individual advice and analysis; something often only achievable if you are working for a fortune 500 company or an organization of similar size which offers this service at no charge.

The trivium is important, but there are likely modern higher quality equivalents available which accomplish more in better scholarly wording. As for the political books, the ideologies are fundamentally flawed so I'd advise people do not nourish at-face-value broken logic and false wisdom with elaborate systems of broken logic and false wisdom.

~Epyc Wynn

>>122312

Sitting calm and imagining the environment is straightforward. That's all more than reasonable for a common person to figure out in a few minutes. How does this lead to occult refinement though?

~Epyc Wynn

>>122262

>having an ego this vulnerable without recognizing it for what it is

Lowest energy humanly possible.

>>122298

>and will gladly battle the demonic collective that stole your soul

Reminder of what happened when thelemas attempted that

https://dangerousminds.net/comments/fire_destroys_aleister_crowleys_former_occult_home_boleskine_house

I'm leaving my firewall to share this revolutionary piece of me-me. The cypercensor death squad is on my trail… I don't have long. This is the only way to keep free speech alive and fight the ministry of truth. Big Brother is always watching. But I won't whyne about it.

>>122361

The beauty of symmetry is even when you cut it in half, you can still perfectly imagine the other half. Quality meme fam post more.

~Epyc Wynn

>>122360

I don't get it.

~Epyc Wynn

Everybody knows a rhyme is a spell

Is this containment thread literally hell?

Let's say it once, no, let's all say it thrice

It's long past time Epyc Whynn was put on ice.

Everyone knows that a rhyme is a spell

Ever wonder what his sigil is made to compel?

The man serves the meme with all of his life

The meme is the man and the boy is its wife.

Oh yes, everybody knows that a rhyme is a spell

Do you think he believes that he's the next Orwell?

On that particular note, I'll keep my thoughts to myself

Instead, I think I'll end on "it's not gay if it's an elf!".

>>122388

top rhyme

second rhyme

comeback

bottom rhyme

~Epyc Wynn

>>122464

Pleasure is a form of relaxation.

~Epyc Wynn

>objectivity

XD

>>122492

>implying there is no objectivity

>implying there is only subjectivity

>relativism

>postmodernism

>social constructivism

>far-left

I know you're a chaos mage wannabe, so I'll assume you aren't trying to blindly back the far-left and I'll tell you like it really is. A long time ago some Nazi fuckos tried to destroy the world and obtain world domination, failed in their dumbass pursuit under a druggy all because they kept changing their tank designs, and as a result the world was pissed off that science which was viewed as ethical, was used to systematically create this fucked up mass genocide and military power that retards on /pol/ can't deny without citing 1500 false fallacious or debunked pieces of evidence their grandmother pulled out of her racist asshole because she blamed blacks for her house's value going down.

Because of that, since science is viewed as a product of modernism, people shifted to believing science isn't the way to go and started embracing the bullshit of postmodernism. Postmodernism is basically the philosophy of destroying boundaries of thought and mind and belittling everything as a relative equal opinion. This means taking a shit and holding it up to someone's face and calling it gold was a valid tactic in debate, as far as a postmodernist was concerned nothing is superior and everything is relative and unjustified because to them, everything is an opinion rooted solely in opinion, with observations also just being opinions.

Chaos Magic, is just postmodernism. You can call it a series of special systems, but the core of Chaos Magic is everything being relative information you can bend any fucking way you want to and thus ethics and hierarchies are just forms of oppression restricting your thoughts and mind.

Postmodernism is a reactionary joke as poorly defined as it is conceived and you'd do yourself a great favor to abandon it. You cannot make the claim that everything is subjective without that claim being invalid, because in doing so you are either making an objective claim, thus undermining the claim, or you are making a subjective claim, making that claim bullshit and thus implying there are exceptions and in turn objectivity is real. In either scenario, you've just proven objectivity real.

Learn more philosophies, become familiar with the tactics of postmodernism, and learn why people believe it's anti-intelligence horseshit, which it objectively is.

Proof of this objectivity: experience of realization built upon previous experiences I have that you cannot replicate for yourself unless you choose to. I don't bother a whole lot with word-based objectivity as postmodern-leaning people have it in their thick shit-ridden skulls that claiming "I don't believe you" is a good enough basis for proving a word-based claim of objectivity is false because "I said so."

~Epyc Wynn

>>122492

>yfw this sigil is more powerful than every memetic epork wine&dyne has ever made

Literally LOLin' like a loon.

>>122532

>all that drek

>all those electrons pushed to no end

>all those wordshapes conveying zero meaning

You are what you hate. Your own Shadow blinds you to what is just before your face.

~Epik Pynhead

<pic unrelated

>>122532

>he believes in the holocaust

Treblinka body count.

Gas chamber doors.

Soviet liberated territory.

<3

>>122540

You aren't the true Epyc Wynn. I am the true Epyc Wynn.

>>122541

You just ignored a thorough explanation of the problems with viewing everything as relative in pursuit of a shitty short rhetorical comeback with no attempt at logic. You really are a postmodernist.

>>122549

Posting debunked fallacious information does not suddenly mean you are correct; it does however heavily indicate your own wrongness. Just because contrary information to the mainstream exists does not mean it is true just because other people say it is.

~Epyc Wynn

>>122724

>insisting Epyc Wynn should make the first move

If that is what you wish.

Let's start you off simple with reading this full single web page and watching the full video, and then respond however you see fit.

https://www.ushmm.org/confront-antisemitism/holocaust-denial-and-distortion

~Epyc Wynn

>>122532

just look what blossomed forth from two little letters, my my. the power of chaos at work? XDXDXD

yes, my friend, all of that and more. enjoy probing the depths of your own ego. the world could anything, wanting it to be fixed and definable does nothing to change that.

you want to know something about chaos that isn't butthurt whining by stamp collectors? it contains and allows for your entire system. the other side of the not-as-insulting-as-you-seem-to-think "I don't believe you" is the "I do believe you when you are useful to me." reality labyrinth versus tunnel. you can pursue esoteric my little ponyism all you like, but I'm here for the guns.

interpret life as you will, I won't slander your perfect path. the true heart of chaos magic is closer to Taoism than 20th century fashion. less about stubbornly proclaiming "this is like this because I want it to be," so much as it is realizing and coping with the inadequacies of language and the resultant thoughtforms to fully apprehend reality. starting to swing the bat before the ball arrives yields a better chance of hitting even if it doesn't seem to make sense to swing when there is no ball here yet.

cute rant about /pol/ though, emojimancer friend. post a pic of your bookshelf and let's see how many philosophies ensnare you.

>>122767

was in reply to >>122765

>>122735

No I'm Epyc Wynn.

~Epyc Wynn

>>122737

Traditionalism, modernism, postmodernism, and metamodernism. Traditionalism seeks to maintain and perfect existing boundaries of thought and relies on a dogmatic understanding of reality. Modernism seeks to replace or alter existing boundaries of thought and relies on a humanist understanding of reality. Postmodernism seeks to weaken and destroy boundaries of thought and relies on a posthumanist understanding of reality. Metamodernism seeks to balance these three approaches in achieving the best set of boundaries of thought possible and relies on a metahumanist understanding of reality; though the term metahumanism is strictly a science fictional term for superheroes at the present moment. However, metahumanism is the closest term for the notion humans should view themselves as information meant to be empowered through appropriately balancing their information in relation to their unique individual situations.

Chaos Magic is just podermodernism. Both rely on logic-defying claims, insistence over proof, quantity of arguments over quality of arguments, and insisting inequality is always oppression even if this insistence hypocritically poses itself as a superior argument which in itself is a form of inequality by conveying other arguments are inferior and thus inequal in standing.

The dose makes the poison. If you don't balance postmodernism with traditionalist, modernist, and the capstone metamodernist viewpoins, either through indirect understanding of these philosophies (such as through 4-element theory), or through direct study, you will come out poisoned with the follies of relying on of these approaches individually. The balancing of traditionalism, modernism, postmodernism, and metamodernism, most effectively nullifies the fallacies and follies that would otherwise exist without this balancing in value. That is not to say they are equal in value; merely that they must be situationally shifted in balance of value by the user of these mindsets in accordance with what the situation calls for, which usually means using a mixture of the 4 philosophies while usually causing one or more of them to stand out more or less in accordance with their perceived effectiveness in serving as a boundary against a problem.

Also, I have learned that books are far too easily the enemy of wisdom. This is because a few slowly read books are far more wisely understood than numerous rapidly read books which are not slowly and wisely organized and valued within the mind. Thus, who has read the most books is often the person who has sacrificed the most wisdom in pursuit of hoarding information in their brain like the disorganized house of a hoarder. Read slow, read few things, and carefully pick and evaluate each thing you read. A library is the false prophet of wisdom. You'll get far more out of slow skims and reading titles alone, than you will get quickly reading the full breadth of each topic you stumble upon. With that in mind, I do not rely on a library, and solely rely on the Internet. I pity the person who has mistaken doing otherwise as an intelligent or wise choice, as it is far from either; yet universally viewed as such.

~Epyc Wynn

>>122836

>Traditionalism, modernism, postmodernism, and metamodernism.

Formalized knowledge. All of these can be used interchangably(or simulataneously) when useful by the chaos practicioner. These refer to knowledge of a different sort, the facts on the ground as seen through the lens of language. Logos worship, in a nutshell.

>Chaos Magic is just podermodernism.

As defined by the IoT, Peter J. Carroll, et al, yeah probably. This is where I approach something of a limb. My practice I call chaos magic because it is the interaction with the elemental force of chaos. I will make the concession that it could be just as accurately be refered to as turning a wheel in a dark room, but "chaos magic" fits more easily in the mouth(apologies to Mr. Carroll). It may in fact have nothing what so ever to do with what others might call chaos magic, and it almost certainly disagrees with anything one might find on the googles(I didn't check). Dancing in chaos is the whole of the practice.

>The dose makes the poison. If you don't balance postmodernism with traditionalist, modernist, and the capstone metamodernist viewpoins, either through indirect understanding of these philosophies (such as through 4-element theory), or through direct study, you will come out poisoned with the follies of relying on of these approaches individually.

Do you believe your concious efforts to intergrate these levels of logic produces a more potent understanding? Is there real power under that stack of [metaphorical] tomes? This depth of knowledge has existed outside of academia, in the wild, since before men were men. The part of your mind that is conciously juggling all of these far out concepts is but a small fraction of your whole mind. The subconcious/unconcious mind sits and watches patiently, thinking circles around your concious mind. Your mind has deep knowledge readily available about your every experience and makes thousands of judgements each minute regulating your behavior based upon this existential knowledge. The potency of your practice is determined by how strongly what your concious mind is trying to do correlated to this bedrock of knowledge, what ever it may be. This is not to say you can get away with anything, but the limit is indeed within you. Experience of the mysteries makes the wizard, not reading.

>Also, I have learned that books are far too easily the enemy of wisdom.

A point of convergence (: However, it seems me that the unconcious mind doesn't struggle to organize information at the glacial pace atwhich our sensory organs can feed it, and will provide what is needed when appropriate. People forget to tie on their bungee cords every so often, but it is because most people haven't learned that all desires are corruptions of the desire for annihilation, and as such "accidental" suicides often occur when death it within easy reach. Corraling the 8 circuits of the mind into some sort of functional accord removes all obstacles. Books can be the axe to the frozen sea within, sending one off on new and interesting tangents, yet this could also be said of a butterfly, a peculiar windshield wiper, or a sprig of rosemary growing up through a sidewalk.

The knowledge of the whole universe(and whatever may be bigger) can be found in a single mote of dust. It's all before our eyes, all the time, reorganizing into the different scenes of life. The world is my altar, everything in it my sigils.

I choose to pursue chaos because I see it as a bottom-up approach, opposed to order, taking all results. While it deals in logical paradoxes(white is black, 5=6), it isn't a discarding of ontic knowledge, but a hinting at a more complete understanding than is afforded by two-value logic. A thought exercise, really, to get oneself out of the habit of eating menus. All human knowledge is flawed by nature of the medium of language, all decisions based on flawed knowledge are necessarily flawed, results yielded from flawed decisions are likely to be undesired. Non-verbal, experiential knowledge is far more useable.

Other practices use intention to work on other aspects of reality, chaos works on the intention itself. It seems to me that intention is the only real reality. Ok, enough lies for now.

>>122539

here's one I use regularly for visualization practice

>>122836

>insistence over proof

But that's wrong though.

Chaos magic is empirical by design. "Fuck dogma, do what gets results".

The thing that I don't understand is by reading your posts and memes, you're obviously an entry-level chaos mage, so why are you speaking out against it so verbosely? Reverse psychology?

>>122230

XD

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Be original without sacrificing quality.

Image related???

~Epyc Wynn

This is an interesting thread. I do not know if OP is in for the laughs or some hidden motive, but I do not care.

I agree with the matter about all these philosophicals books, it always felt better for me to learn about these stuff by living in the world, experimenting happiness and suffering alike, nature can be harsh and people are not easy to deal with, but that is how life is, is it not?

But you know? I long for something in my life, I want to build, build in the environment around me, build in my mind. I want to be free. I do not want to depend on other human being for my basic survival need, but I can live with depending on people for others needs if it is good for me to do so.

I recently begun to manifest a certain interest in the occult, because I feel so lost, like I am in some loop where I try to get out of my hole and then I keep finding myself at the bottom, it sucks so much. I just want to be better.

So Epyc Wynn, you seem to like to write all lot here about your opinons voiced by all theses numerous posts, so let me entertain you so you can return me the favor.

I am currently on the military, I love it as much as I hate it, but I now know I would also hate working in any civilian structure. I will probably wait for my contract to end and will not continue anyway, I want to just buy some property and provide for my needs with my two hands. It just depress me that I will probably not find a partner to make childrens with, but I guess you can not have what you really long for in this world?

It sadden me that with my current life, I can just not be always farefooted, burning encens all around the place and chanting and dancing like a madman in under the moon and the stars, carving sybils on the ground, the trees and just be the animal that I should be. I do not seem this as magic ritual or occult practices, it just feel right to me to do it.

Sometimes I just do pretty much that, I do not have any idea of what I am doing but I do it. But I feel like it would be better if I could experience it with others people and eventually finding a mate so I could take theses escapades to the next level and incorporate sex in my life. I do not care that much to be a virgin though, but that would be good to know what it feel like, how it ties in all of this and having kids seem like a nice thing to do, so I could raise them like savages while teaching them the mandatory sciences whe ought to know in this day and age.

I have not found an occult name yet so I cannot indulge myself with this funny post signature stuff, but I look forward about what you guys think about my post. I am not lamenting thought, I can feel happiness from times to times, it just that as a living being I long for more, I seek some insight. It is the first time I have ever asked something on an image board, so I hope for the best, cheers.

Sorry if it happens to be badly written for native english speakers.

>>125518

Become someone worthy of greatness; if you aren't given it, you can at least blame God instead of yourself.

You don't need or want magic it's purely imaginary bullshit. Improve yourself and purely appreciate this board solely from a creative perspective.

Everything you typed wreaks of weakness, patheticness, and a complete lack of self-confidence. Imagine how the various fragments of your mind must feel having to comprise your overall brain; I bet they're embarrassed as all hell to be part of you.

If you want to get a better situation, do yourself a favor and improve yourself already. Instead of acting like you want love when you just want to masturbate to an imaginary girl and fantasize about a family, try figuring out what you can contribute to yourself. You are the king of your body and your empire of influence extends as far past your body as you empower it to.

Imagine a woman, imagine a family, imagine enjoying experiences with them. Experience loneliness, experience coldness, experience isolation. Once you're done with thoroughly doing both, which I am certain you've done both of to an extent already, pursue connecting with people online and offline, start taking more yet still reasonable risks, and get your life together by trying. I guarantee you will enjoy failing at success a lot more than you will enjoy failing to pursue success as you presently are right now.

/fringe/ is a land of imaginary pseudoscience and elitist ignoramuses condescending from pedestals of sheer ignorance and I strongly recommend you seek out better places. Look up some technology, science, politics, and news oriented forums, Discords, subreddits, and so-on. This board is a dead-end and its only saving grace is I happen to enjoy taking the piss out of it enough to inform everyone this place is a dead-end.

~Epyc Wynn

Epyc Wynn actually gave you a pretty good reply. What you seek can only be experienced, and nothing anyone tells you will really help much. It's like talkin to someone about a new colour in the spectrum, that has always been there, makes you ask yourself what does this man filled his eyes with to see that?

>>125576

I never said I believe the male/female model pervades all things; I flat out do NOT believe it pervades all things. What people mean when they say that, is that masculinity and femininity are general styles and patterns and thus these styles/patterns appear in all things. However, you could by that logic generalize all patterns and styles to relate to something else instead of genders, such as good and evil or positive and negative. Thus, I don't believe that.

Of course the universe doesn't give that big of a shit how creatures choose to breed it's just one more means to an end among many.

>>125583

You're going to hate education, philosophy, and reality a lot then.

~Epyc Wynn

Bitches be ripping off my ideas: pic related.

~E p y c [redacted] W y n n (Rule 5)