No.13094 [Last50 Posts]
Here we go! Submit your favorite /film/s for the 8chan Top 250. We'll use this thread to discuss films that should and should not be included. Generally we want the list to reflect the nature of this board, so let's try to avoid mainstream titles. If you liked a recommendation from an old thread, or if you have a new suggestion to add to the list, now is the time to speak up.
https://letterboxd.com/8chanfilm/list/8chan-top-250-films/
https://letterboxd.com/8chanfilm/list/8chan-favorite-shorts/
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No.13095
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No.13096
Is it the sitewide top 250 or our own 250?
Also does mainstream mean the american market or the usual suspects, like say, Seven Samurai, Once Upon a Time in the West, etc?
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No.13098
>>13096
It's our top 250 but I took the name 8chan Top 250 since no one else is using it.
The mainstream cutoff depends on what gets suggested and how it's received by everyone. Someone said "avoid popular movies". I'd say basic Criterioncore or anything on Karagarga (which includes Leone) is fine.
If we limit to very obscure films it might be hard to get to 250. We can easily remove stuff later.
The list so far: https://letterboxd.com/8chanfilm/list/8chan-top-250-films/
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No.13100
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No.13101
So this is for favorites?
Okay here is one.
I'll come up with more obscure ones later after some thought has been put into it.
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No.13102
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>>13101
Cool, I stumbled across that one by chance about a year ago but still haven't seen it
Adding one of my favorites
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No.13103
>>13101
By more I meant actually.
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No.13104
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No.13110
>>13104
probably too popular
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No.13118
How about
The Deserter and the Nomads | The Falls | Le revelateur
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No.13119
Stalker and Oldboy for me easily. Le samourai is another favorite of mine but I don't know if it would be too popular or not. Same with Oldboy. Africa Addio could also work if we are counting documentaries.
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No.13120
So. what directors are we missing...
Bela Tarr - Satantango, maybe Werckmeister Harmonies
Arnold Fanck - I'd say The White Hell of Piz Palu
FW Murnau - Faust, maybe Sunrise
Alain Robbe Grillet - Eden et apres
Jacques Rivette - Not sure what to choose
Raoul Ruiz - City of Pirates, Manoel and the Island of Wonders, maybe more
maybe more Tarkovsky
Mohsen Makhmalbaf - Sokout unless someone knows something better
Tengiz Abuladze - Vedreba
+ Valerie and her Week of Wonders, Sayat Nova, L'ange...
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No.13121
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No.13122
>>13120
D.W. Griffith
Zulawski
Szulkin
Lopushansky
Syberberg
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No.13123
>>13098
Geez, i still would feel bad about posting the obvious choices but also kinda pretentious if i post underrated or obscure choices from directors who have done more ambitious or noteworthy projects, even if i consider said movies my favorites.
Guess i am still very uneducated about film if i think this way. Anyway here's a couple more, which i find very good in both concept and execution.
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No.13124
>>13122
Good, so how about
Intolerance
On a Silver Globe
O-Bi, O-Ba
Visitor to a Museum
Parsifal and Hitler a Film from Germany
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No.13125
>>13124
On THE Silver Globe, those middle words can be hard to remember sometimes. Woman of the Dunes or Woman in the Dunes, Visitor to a Museum or Visitor of a Museum, etc.
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No.13126
>>13124
Good except I would replace Intolerance with Birth of a Nation. Mainly because Griffith's heart was more in it but Intolerance may be the more refined, patrician of the two. I would include Golem as well.
Good call on two Syberberg films.
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No.13127
>>13123
>i still would feel bad about posting the obvious choices
Eh, we don't want to overlook anything. And there are still plenty of slots to fill. It looks like are at 41/250 right now.
>>13126
>Mainly because Griffith's heart was more in it
I'd never thought about that angle. I know he received some criticism for Birth of a Nation at the time, and I thought I heard Intolerance was a response to the critics. But maybe that last part is incorrect? I haven't read much about Griffith, only heard people discussing him on podcasts.
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No.13128
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No.13129
Werner Herzog deserves a mention. I don't know which of his films is best, but I really like Lessons of Darkness.
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No.13131
>>13129
Lessons of Darkness is already included in the documentary chart. I don't know if recycling films is necessarily a good idea, honestly that's the only problem I see so far. We're just starting though.
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No.13132
>>13131
True. It's hard to avoid some overlap, but fresh (quality) picks would certainly improve the list.
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No.13133
>>13132
Yeah I would say it is nearly impossible especially with a "favorites" list. If this list is trying to encapsulate the essence of /film/ then there really is no problem whatsoever with overlap, but fresh choices would certainly make a much more original and inspired list.
Have these been mentioned yet?
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No.13134
Wages of Fear (1953)
The Bad Sleep Well (1960)
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No.13135
I thought about suggesting this for Clouzot. A tad uneven but I like what he attempted.
Someone finally made a decent poster for it too.
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No.13136
Alone in the Wilderness
A great documentary mentioned on the board before
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No.13137
I remember an early /film/ thread with recommendations for Szurkulet and Na wylot. I think both would be great additions to this list. I am torn between Na wylot and The Dancing Hawk by the same director. The legendary Zbigniew handles cinematography for The Dancing Hawk. As expected it nearly becomes his film.
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No.13147
>>13137
>Na wylot cs The Dancing Hawk
Go with Dancing Hawk since it's a good introduction of both the director and DP, hopefully the viewer will want to see more
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No.13150
Add some experimental directors
Jorge Honik - Passacaglia y Fuga
Peter B Hutton - At Sea
Gunvar Nelson - Moon's Pool
Peter Tscherkassky - The Exquisite Corpus
Bill Morrison - Decasia is the obvious choice, or we could choose something similar that doesn't get attention
James Benning - Don't know what to choose
Deborah Stratman - I liked In Order Not to Be Here
Barbara Hammer perhaps
Who else? Brakhage is not my favorite. Maybe Hollis Frampton.
Someone is always making requests for these types of films. I hope you will see this and add ideas.
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No.13152
>>13150
>Tscherkassky
why th--
You know what I won't even ask the Discord taught me not to antagonize people's opinions because they'll continue anyways.
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No.13153
>>13152
Upon reading the rest of the thread and hiting myself on the back of the head for not having kicked the impulse to reply to the last post in a thread first for 4 years straight I take this statement back, Tscherkassky is better than most others itt.
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No.13154
>>13153
>>13152
I do find the impulse to inquire more about your thoughts
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No.13156
>>13154
Everyone is beneath him and must be viciously insulted. A weird, bitter person.
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No.13157
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No.13160
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No.13169
>>13156
You're not wrong.
That's it.
You're just not wrong. Thanks.
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No.13170
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Krustcels !
This video has no subs but you still get the vibe.
The English title is "Homelands" but I read that Krustcels literally translates to "Crossroads". The term not only means a fork in the road, it also means a road to the Cross. Both meanings are applicable as Latvia leaves USSR for a new future.
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No.13172
Vechir na Ivana Kupalal (1968)
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No.13175
I nominate A Casa from Sharunas Bartas.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118823/
It's a sublime viewing experience. You are transported to a strange place that becomes a tour de force of foley artistry. Many people would find this film pretentious. I did too at first. However after a short while I was fully engaged and enjoying the film on its terms.
I have never read any reviews or analysis of this enigmatic film because I'd hoped to write down all of my raw thoughts at the time. I had quite a lot of them. Sadly the writing never happened.
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No.13176
I nominate Unforgiven (1992)
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No.13179
You have to include cabinet of Dr Caligari (1920). German surrealism, first movie to do a non-linear storyline, great twist and the backgrounds and surrealism are true design.
Also, each anons recommendation should come with a short summary of the movie for the list
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No.13180
>>13179
both good suggestions
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No.13181
>>13179
By short summary do you mean an explanation for the choice or a synopsis?
On an unrelated note, lots of men of culture ITT. Good content so far /film/.
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No.13182
>>13181
I wss thinking explanation for choice but really after 250 it would get repetitive, so summary I guess. Its just theres so many foreign ones I havent seen yet a description might help filter them out.
Like most other lists dont need it since they are almost usually all mainstream but 250 will get esoteric and anyone that disagrees is either a film autist or lieing to themselves
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No.13183
>>13179
>first movie to do a non-linear storyline
not at all
also it's an expressionist film not a surrealist one
RIP /film/
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No.13184
>>13183
I got the two confused sorry, also a quick websearch shows maybe Intolerance beat it out for non linear narrative. Do you have any other examples? It was 1920 in Germany I feel like maybe the director wouldnt have been influenced by Intolerance but perhaps im wrong
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No.13218
>>13183
>RIP /film/
>implying this is a decline in content
>hiding your flag
In one sentence fragment you outdid even me in negativity.
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No.13219
On the silent film tip, need to add the Hollywood docuseries. It's the best introduction to the beginning of the American film industry featuring many of the important players. The series was made when silent films were unfashionable. Many of the actors were fading into obscurity. But Kevin Brownlow realized the value in collecting and preserving their stories, and he's been a major force in changing popular sentiment on the silent era.
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No.13223
I'm a simple person with a simple suggestion
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No.13224
>>13223
I'm also a retard that can't even look at a list before making a suggestion. Disregard that.
How about one of the Thin Man movies?
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No.13243
I don't know if I need to say anything about these films because they have been talked about a lot
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No.13246
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No.13249
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No.13250
>>13249
If you read OP's description you'll find that he said to reflect the board. This is way too mainstream. Park Chan Wook doesn't really fit either. Same with Unforgiven.
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No.13251
>>13250
True, all of those could go
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No.13252
I personally think it wouldn't hurt to list more than a single movie from some filmmakers, rather than filling empty spots with super contrarian avant-garde stuff. But so the picks seem super solid to me.
Here are my nominations:
La maman et la putain (Jean Eustache, 1973)
Celine et Julie vont en bateau (Jacques Rivette, 1974)
O thiasos (Theó Angelópoulos, 1975)
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No.13253
>>13252
well that came out quite poorly worded, but I hope my point came across.
>But so far* the picks..
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No.13254
>>13252
The list won't be contrarian unless someone nominates the Cremaster cycle
or Shite Epilepsy
But there are a lot of spots, still about 180. Personally I don't mind some obscure picks as long as they are quality recommendations.
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No.13255
Bringing the oldie All Quiet On The Western Front (1930) Its more padding than a top 50 pick but its precode Hollywood, pretty realist, pre WW2 before anyone thought there could ever be another great War and damn if it isnt an epic.
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No.13256
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No.13257
>>13250
>Buffalo 66 is mainstream
It's the most archetypal movie for an imageboard user but I never heard of it at all until 2017.
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No.13258
I thought of some world cinema gems
Khan Asparuh (1981)
H-8 (1958)
The Goat Horn (1971)
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No.13259
>>13257
What is your reason for choosing Argento?
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No.13262
Maybe some animated films? Belladonna of Sadness obviously. Marcell Jankovics is essential too. I will nominate Tragedy of man.
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No.13266
Missing directors: Lav Diaz, Apichatpong Weerasethakul, Carmelo Bene, Dziga Vertov, Orson Welles, Pedro Costa, Chris Marker
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No.13274
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No.13276
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Az én XX. századom (My Twentieth Century)
A beautiful black and white Hungarian film about the transition from the old ways of the 19th century to the new ways of the 20th. Twin girls are separated at a young age. We see them grow up to follow different life paths. The girls represent two different paths that Hungary can choose to be as a nation.
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No.13282
I forgot about Guy Maddin. He's easy to overlook but I think we need to include him. My Winnipeg is the most common Maddin recommendation, yet many of his other films are just as good or better. Even his debut Tales from Gimli Hospital is worth watching.
I will nominate one of his recent films The Forbidden Room because it's a kaleidoscopic face-melter.
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No.13288
First thing I have to say is that I'm against any burger film to be included. All I've seen were shallow, very shallow, bland and not even entertaining.
I nominate Naked (1993) directed by Mike Leigh for its lovely portrayal of lively man, Körkarlen (1921) directed by Victor Sjöström for its value and the ethereal experience I had most likely thanks to KTL soundtrack, Diabeł (1972) and Possession (1981) directed by Andrzej Żuławski without any reason and Il Sorpasso (1962) directed by Dino Risi, because I never had that much fun since, including Asobi Asobase.
>>13175
Good choice.
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No.13289
>>13288
Why include multiple films from the same director? You could assume that if someone likes the one film they would explore more of the guy's filmography. It just takes up extra space which could be filled by other films.
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No.13291
>>13289
It's the top 250 FILMS, not top 250 directors with their best film as example.
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No.13292
There are some double directors already, but not too many. Three films from one director might be pushing it for a list of 250. I guess we'll see what the list looks like when all the slots are filled.
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No.13293
Pictures of the Old World
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No.13294
>>13293
Yes, great one
Actually I'm just watching 322
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No.13296
some basic ones to include--don't think i've seen submissions from these directors
Late Spring (Ozu)
Au hasard Balthazar (Bresson)
Merry-Go-Round (Fabri)
Cairo Station (Chahine)
Trouble in Paradise (Lubitsch)
Chungking Express (WKW)
That Obscure Object of Desire (Buñuel)
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No.13297
>>13266
I think Orson Welles' films might count as mainstream, relative to some other selections here. Magnificent Ambersons would be my pick. Touch of Evil is fun, but we might want better noirs.
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No.13298
>>13296
>Cairo Station (Chahine)
Definitely. I was thinking of that one too.
>Merry-Go-Round (Fabri)
I haven't seen this yet but I'm glad you suggested one from Zoltan.
That makes me wonder what to include for Miklos Jancso. I recently saw Szerelmem, Elektra and really enjoyed it. It's been a while since I've seen Red Psalm. His earlier stuff is great too, but it's more straightforward than the kind of complex free-flowing performance of the two I mentioned.
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No.13300
Nostos, Il titorno - Franco Piavoli (1990)
Someone recommended this one in a thread, I found it, I watched it, now I also recommend it
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No.13302
>>13289
Why? Simply because I believe both films should be on the list.
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No.13304
>>13300
oops, typo. You get the idea.
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No.13305
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No.13307
>>13298
Elektra sounds good to me
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No.13311
Mala morska vila [1976]
I'm sure you all know and love it
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No.13313
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Happy End - Experimentální komedie
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No.13315
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Oh, and I also nominate Bajarang Bali, the best Hindu fantasy epic!
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No.13316
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>>13150
>James Benning - Don't know what to choose
eh, just go with Landscape Suicide
and Decasia is okay for Bill Morrison
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No.13318
>>13288
>First thing I have to say is that I'm against any burger film to be included. All I've seen were shallow, very shallow, bland and not even entertaining.
No you are against including them because they don't give you enough contrarian cred.
I'm not assuming this but you included "Il Sorpasso" which is the most overrated Italian movie ever yet foreigners think is some sort of obscure gem that no one knows about. I'm sayig this as an Italian.
You are just fucking retarded if you think nothing good ever came out of the US.
This thread is a fucking piece of shit. Literally just name dropping without an explaination on what makes a film great or why deserves a spot in a list. Great example of why this board died.
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No.13319
>>13318
Hey man my nominations are pretty plebian but Ive always made a short summary of why I chose them. One reason this list is pretentious as fuck is the refusal of anyone to nominate any kubrick, kurosawa or Hitchcock regardless of how mainstream they may be they are super influential and great viewing say Barry Lyndon or Vertigo
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No.13320
>>13319
Yeah I mean not all posts are bad althrough is pretty obvious that some people are trying too hard.
The fact that films are inserted in the list based on how mainstream they are or not is fucking retarded.
It's ok to not want fucking fight club in such list but not ok to say no to the one you listed, Wells, Kurosawa ecc. without a fucking explaination beyond "too mainstream" as if that's automatically a bad thing.
This place wouldn't be as dead if there was more honest discussion, which doesn't mean that we should start discussing Marvel movies, Tarantino or Fincher but means that instead of dropping Piavoli's name out of nowhere (I mean the guy is so small time that I know him personally, I don't even know how do you know him) we should actually talk about it.
I mean sometimes I seriously think people on the internet think "obscure" (which is btw totally relative to where you live, how old, what kind of people you frequent, internet access and a miriad of other shit) equals better.
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No.13321
>>13320
I also just re checked the list, there is not even a fucking Fellini in there you fucking animals.
Put a Fellini in there, and put an Antonioni too.
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No.13322
>>13320
>I mean sometimes I seriously think people on the internet think "obscure" (which is btw totally relative to where you live, how old, what kind of people you frequent, internet access and a miriad of other shit) equals better.
Obscure is not necessarily better, but obscure can be more interesting because you are venturing into unknown territory.
If I have made obscure suggestions it is because I personally enjoy the films and I think other people would enjoy them too. I have made no suggestions simply to be obscure, because plenty of obscure films are mediocre.
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No.13323
>>13321
L'eclisse for Antonioni
Le notti di Cabiria for Fellini
throw in Viaggio in Italia for a Rossellini
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No.13325
>>13319
Nominate them then. I love those directors.
>>13321
Don't think anyone is against those directors.
I see mostly quality choices that fit the bill.
But yes explanations should be added, like someone already suggested...
Please remove Laurin. Why?
Because it isn't a good movie. Period pieces and costumes are done well, and on an aesthetic level it is intriguing, but the rest of it is poorly done. It comes across as a crappier Guillermo del Toro feature (bad writing, lame story, awkward acting). Oh and that dubbing is disturbing.
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No.13327
>>13321
Slightly off topic, but are you bothered that 8chan misidentifies you as French?
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No.13331
>>13323
>L'eclisse for Antonioni
I agree with this, althrough L'avventura, La Notte, Deserto Rosso and Blow Up are on the same level, those final minutes are the best stuff Antonioni ever did and his definitive statment.
>Le notti di Cabiria for Fellini
I'm a bit biased because La Dolce Vita may as well be my favorite movie, I'd understand if it was 8 1/2 tho. Le Notti di Cabiria is still a masterpiece but since you can't put more than one film per director I'd save the spot for something more grandiose in scope which Fellini was so good at doing
Do other anons agree or prefer other films from these directors?
>>13327
Fuck yes I feel dirty as shit, but It's the only way I can post or even visit the fucking place since 8chan got blocked in Italy.
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No.13332
>>13331
>you can't put more than one film per director
Some directors already have two. The list is probably long enough so we don't have to be picky (yet).
>8chan got blocked in Italy.
Damn I didn't know that.
>>13320
>the guy is so small time that I know him personally
Well that's cool. What is he doing these days?
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No.13333
>>13332
>What is he doing these days?
Nothing particular, the guy is pretty old he paints and goes in little towns to show his movies with our meme critic (pic related). He also said some very heartfelt and moving words about another great of Italian cinema: Ermanno Olmi. If you don't know him watch The Tree of Wooden Clogs
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No.13334
>>13318
>contrarian cred
I just don't like them, that's all. After all, I'm slav. Why should I?
>Il Sorpasso
I found it by accident and thought that it's best comedy I've ever seen.
>nothing good ever came out of the US
Half of the modern music I listen is from US. I don't like single american movie I've seen, I liked Clockwork Orange, Barry Lyndon and Ran when I was 15, but that's past.
>why deserves a spot in a list
I think I did exactly what you said, not to the extent you want me go to, but did.
>>13331
I prefer Il Deserto Rosso. I pretty much like the industrial _ and I feel like "art for art" is not fundamentally wrong; also is most cinematic and easily tears you.
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No.13335
>>13334
I like Red Desert too. I always remember how some of the natural scenery is painted, so the setting feels abnormal but you aren't fully aware of the reason.
As a disclaimer I have only seen a few of Antonioni's films, that goes for many other directors too. I am in no hurry to see everything from a single person...because then it's over and I have nothing to look forward to seeing.
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No.13336
>>13335
I have the same problem as you, but I'm trying to snap out of it because it's really harmful in the long run and damaging, think it this way: All the directors you like and your favorites one problably saw less shit than you did.
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No.13337
>>13319
>the refusal of anyone to nominate any kubrick, kurosawa or Hitchcock
Except there is a kurosawa film that I recommended thats on the list.
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No.13342
I nominate a personal fave, The Shimmering Beast. It is one of the best Board of Canada films and one of the best direct cinema documentaries. I think this film has more of a character arc than you typically see in direct cinema. However perhaps it's not pure direct cinema, as some shots are set up to show people walking toward the camera instead of the filmmakers observing and following action. Just a minor detail though.
More >>12189
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No.13365
Some basic Japs, tell me if you agree
Masaki Kobayashi - Kwaidan, could also include Harakiri or The Human Condition. Kwaidan is the probably the best Japanese ghost film. Hausu is great too, but it's very bizarre whereas Kwaidan is faithfully rooted in Japanese folklore.
Kenji Mizoguchi - It's hard to argue against Sansho but he made many excellent films.
Hiroshi Teshigahara - The Face of Another is the last of the trilogy that most people watch, and it's the culmination of Teshigahara's creative collaboration with Kobo Abe. I think it's the best film about swapping identities, although maybe I forgot about something.
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No.13367
I nominate Enchanted Desna as a picturesque nostalgia of Ukrainian country life that has been lost to time. This film is a mid-century Soviet standout because of its vibrant use of color. The available restoration doesn't do the source material justice.
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No.13368
>>13336
Why do you say it's harmful? I usually don't go too deep with one director because I would rather use that time to explore a completely new director. I might come back later and go deeper, but in general I prefer to keep it fresh. Rarely do I repeat the same director, same country, same genre, in a short time span.
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No.13383
Add Himmel und Erde (83). It's a wonderful ethnographic about farmers, lumberjacks, assorted peasants and their families who live on the high slopes of the Austrian Alps. Contrast the transcendent panoramic beauty of the mountains with the harsh reality for its inhabitants, who cannot always keep pace with the modernization of the outside world. Fragmentary editing and Chinese philosophy gives the documentary a lyrical dimension, although I'm less enthusiastic about the Chinese philosophy than some people may be.
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No.13412
>>13365
>basic Japs
Also The Naked Island. I love the stoic beauty of this film. For me a memorable scene is the brief moment of joy/relief at the end of the day in the bath.
Perhaps Funeral Parade of Roses too, even though I'd rank it slightly below some of the other Japanese films mentioned ITT
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No.13438
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I would like to nominate
Dante's Inferno (1911).
Talked about in another thread and I remembered now much I liked it. This film has lot of cool otherworldly scenes of spiritual beings and the afterlife. Since the film was made so long ago, the supernatural scenes are all the more strange and elusive.
I have misgivings about the experimental ambient music that's used on most versions you'll find. The music has a cold metallic texture, and the style is much different than anything the film's creators could have intended. I think it changes the film a lot from whatever it was originally.
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No.13479
I nominate Limite (1931), Ménilmontant (1926) and The House is Black (1963). I had just typed up a long explanation but the page refreshed and now it's gone. So I will come back later and do it. :(
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No.13480
>>13479
Is Internet in Holland really that bad?
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No.13510
>>13368
Imho it's better to deeply understand 1 than maybe not understand 7.
Since cinema is not a passive activity to me, seeing this many would prevent me too fully realize the scope and size of some directors and digest them. I won't be able to see every important film in existance anyway and 1 film is not enough to judge and artist.
Jack of all, master of none is not a good thing to me.
Btw Marco Ferreri's L'Udienza deserves a spot Imho. That or La Grande Abbuffata or even Dillinger è Morto.
Really Underrated.
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No.13565
The Atrocity Exhibition (2000)
It's been a while since I watched but it belongs on the list. A deranged adaptation of JG Ballard writings. It looks like the director has no other credits so it's one of those special one-off projects that you can easily forget about.
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No.13567
>If you liked a recommendation from an old thread
I really enjoyed a recommendation for La formula secreta from a year or two ago. It is a cool experimental Mexican short.
But maybe short films should be on another list if we ever get to 250. I think they are evaluated differently than features.
>>13266
> Lav Diaz
My choice would beEvolution of a Filipino Family, the polar opposite of short. But I've only seen that and Melancholia. His films are very long and no easy task to finish.
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No.13568
>>13567
>Evolution of a Filipino Family
I second this.
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No.13569
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I tried to think of some of the obvious stuff we've overlooked. I'm a big fan of World on a Wire and so far there's not much scifi on the list. I love the set design and use of mirrors, and I remember this film every time I hear Albatross by Fleetwood Mac.
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No.13600
Edward Yang absolutely deserves a mention. Yi-Yi or The Terrorizers could go here, but I've got to go with my personal favourite of A Brighter Summer Day
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No.13602
We need something from Alexei "Quality Not Quantity" German. He's almost peerless in the way he constructs kinetic, chaotic single-take shots. The scenes are so dense you can barely absorb what you are seeing. I love it.
I would lean toward Khrustalyov, My Car but I was wondering if anyone has seen his earlier stuff? Are those films more conventional?
>>13600
Cool, nice pick
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No.13612
>>13094
What about Wild Strawberrys directed by Igmar Bergman? I love that film.
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No.13644
Not a lot of horror, ive found the wicker man is a beautiful film with great shots especially the end.
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No.13691
Im not an expert on Westerns but 3:10 to Yuma has always stuck with me and is my go to for when I need that extra push to do the honorable thing no matter the consequence.
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No.13692
>>13691
If someone has a better western i would switch it out
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No.13693
>>13692
The best western film might be El topo. I remember someone here said Antonio das Mortes was much better the El topo, but despite a lot of potential it doesn't deliver.
I thought about suggesting something from Jodorowsky. The Holy Mountain has many fantastic scenes but I'm not sure it all holds together. So I'd give the edge to El topo.
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No.13695
>>13693
El topo is great, but can sometimes seem to be very pretentious. After all, it's Jodorowsky.
If we are talking westerns in general, then Il grande silenzio is pretty good. Nothing unique at all, but beatiful imagery and eternal Kinski.
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No.13696
>>13692
High Noon is a time-tested classic (pun intended) but i understand Gary Cooper is not everybody's cup of tea. Along with classic John Ford stuff i think it's one of the best american westerns, even if made by a city slicker.
Yuma still's a great piece, Delmer Daves was very good in his concepts, but usually the execution rarely tried to make the context understandable, reason why i think he couldn't really reach the big, big names. Then again he was from a time movies were made as products more than personal projects.
Drum Beat is one of those movies, it's just a normal western you see everyday but with the switch that indians do win the battles, but in the end they are defeated by internal problems. These problems and the consequences (hell, even the damn reasons) of why they did all the rumble are not explained well at all unless you know Modoc history. Still worth it for a bronzed, leather-wearing fully-jacked Bronson (no homo intended)
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No.13698
>>13266
>>13297
Might I suggest Chimes at Midnight?
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No.13740
>>13567
>maybe short films should be on another list
Yes, it's probably better to separate them. We can do a list of shorts concurrently. I'll add the shorts already mentioned here to a new list.
https://letterboxd.com/8chanfilm/list/8chan-favorite-shorts/
Let me know if I miss anything and please suggest more of them. Anything with a running time under 40 minutes qualifies as a short film.
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No.13741
>>13740
>shorts
Let's see...
La jetee, Un chien andalou, Blood of a poet, Ghosts before breakfast
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No.13745
>>13740
>>13741
>name throwing
I'll bait
Le Sang des bêtes, Les statues meurent aussi, Le Chant du styrène, Obitateli, À propos de Nice, Vremena goda
Would include Zéro de conduite, but 41 minutes.
Maybe I'll add some more later with short "why".
Kẖạneh syạh ạst is fuckin shit, but at least the reviews are fun
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No.13746
>>13745
I thought name throwing was okay for shorts ;)
Maybe I'm going to have to rewatch Ghosts Before Breakfast because I don't remember many of the details. I think there are clocks and a flying hat.
The others
La jetee - A brilliant cyclical story told in stills. Now did Chris Marker actually work on 12 Monkeys? He is listed as the main writer, not "story by".
Un chien andalou - The essential surrealist short. A cloud slices a woman's eyeball, painful to watch.
Blood of a poet - I like this a bit better than Un chien andalou, many stream-of-consciousness morphings
Also I vote 40-50 minutes is acceptable for shorts
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No.13751
Tsai Ming-liang should be in here somewhere except I don't like The Hole very much and I haven't seen The Wayward Cloud. But I really like No No Sleep so at least put him on the short list.
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No.13756
Short:
Året gjennom Børfjord (1991)
Wonderful timespacelapse shortexperimentalfilm of a barely inhabited fishing village in Arctic Norway
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No.13758
der ewige jude
Best documentary film from the 40s produced by the famous media personality Goebbels
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No.13760
Fritz Lang's silent epic about Germany's mythical past: Die Nibelungen
I am in awe of this film, a magnificent screen adaptation of a centuries-old heroic poem. Filled with extravagant sets and costumes, the five hour saga is divided into two parts, each of which is further divided into episodic "cantos" that I assume follow the original poem's structure. The first half of Die Nibelungen tells an engrossing tale of magic, royalty, deception and murder . The second half has a action-packed climax as the story takes a darker tone.
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No.13762
>>13758
Nice.
Very nice. For what it's worth Letterboxd offers no decent films apart from mid level tier as is apparent from people like IHE on the front page and comments like "looks pretty damn solid F A M" on the list. However if the mods put a Nazi film or hell even axis film on there it'll all be worth it and be the one saving grace this list has.
If any of you ask why I'm shittalking the list without contributing, simply put none of the films I enjoy are in the sites database I checked. I cannot contribute only criticize as punishment for using such a horrible platform as Letterboxd.
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No.13763
>>13762
Letterboxd does not determine the list. It's used because it's an easy way to keep of track it.
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No.13765
>>13763
That wasn't the point of my post.
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No.13779
>>13762
Ι looked into the person that made said comment, he's just some /tv/fag that watches literally anything
It's annoying because he has 2 times my followers and puts literally 0 work into reviews or anything
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No.13781
>>13779
Everytime, such is Letterboxd.
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No.13783
Our Century
>A man paves his own way to his own soul through an intellectual quest, tragedies of nations and personal drama. The road moving through the cosmic distances is a flight into one’s internal world. This flight and this drama are revealed in this philosophical film-poem.
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No.13784
>>13762
>However if the mods put a Nazi film or hell even axis film on there it'll all be worth it
Well this is on there
>>13783
Cool, nice choice
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No.13786
Harvest (1967)
Endearing propaganda about US farmers of a bygone era, produced by a govt agency that no longer exists
Virtually unknown as public screenings were prohibited by law
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No.13787
>>13786
The one by Carroll Ballard?
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No.13788
>>13787
Yeah that one. I'd put it with the shorts.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061750/
I remember reading that Ballard did not like it. He got annoyed when someone asked him about it.
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No.13873
Sneaky pick for short film: Sherlock Jr.
The director's best work in a lot of ways, so it's good enough for the feature list too. Great laughs throughout. I recall there's a nice use of a dream sequence that takes it to another level.
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No.13875
>>13786
Where can i find it?
Is there a soulseek for film sharing or something?
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No.13876
>>13875
That one is kind of rare, probably only on private torrent sites
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No.13877
>>13876
Thought so, a lot of the stuff posted here is rather hard to find
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No.13880
Has anyone mentioned Terayama? If not he should be included in your list.
My vote goes to Pastoral: To Die in the Country. I think everything came together for the director with this picture, and that's quite an achievement given the amount of different threads he wove together. I won't detail everything, but the basis is a story of Terayama's own childhood presented in a sophisticated and wonderfully stylized manner. The film goes meta as the director becomes a character to comment upon his childhood memories and the act of making a film about them. Then he steps into the story to interact with his past self.
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No.13881
>>13880
Since it got mentioned, I'd like to recommend Grass Labyrinth or Laura as the shorts
But yeah, Pastoral is easily his best
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No.13882
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No.13885
>>13882
Thanks for posting it. I have the DVD and it's almost the same size as that rip. I considered uploading a remux but I was too slow.
>>13880
>>13881
Yes Terayama is great and I really love Pastoral. I haven't seen any of his shorts so I'll have to check those out. I was just reading his wiki page and I forgot he died so young, only 47.
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No.13886
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No.13898
Jonas Mekas, yea or nay? I'm not sure myself. I can't say he's a favourite of mine but I enjoy parts of his films and he's a likeable personality. I'd be more enthusiastic about Mekas if his editing was better. He's got so much footage but I don't always like how he presents it.
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No.13899
>>13898
>I'd be more enthusiastic about Mekas if his editing was better
His editing is fine, his cinematography was original at the cost of being gimmicky nowadays and unappealing, it was too direct as him he were filming himself really being there but this doesn't pick at me at all, but maybe I'm just judging him for inspiring more people to do the same while not doing anything special as well either, I recall 3 films that take his filming approach but for the life of me I can't remember them, two students walking while talking filming themselves on a Mac book the whole thing unedited, part of a really underground but irrelevant wave of film, a Philipino movie about a vhs clerk getting involved in underground crime, and a movie about a film crew documenting a serial killer's life as he goes about murdering people in brutal fashions by the French if I'm correct, you can tell it was them as at some point they grope a black guy before killing him. And they all did it better than he did but in fashions that still don't make it good.
Of course those are just my two cents I am not contributing to the list, if you want to put Walden on the list go ahead.
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No.13900
>>13899
>>13898
Μekas' finest film easily is As I was moving ahead...
It's love it or hate it, imo
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No.13902
>>13899
Okay, by editing I was talking about bigger picture than discrete cuts. It's the total package that might be better. For example his choices with the audio track seem to highlight the sound limitations rather than transcend them. Sometimes the bad accordion playing and half-baked philosophizing overwhelm the images. Also I'm pretty disappointed that he doesn't record audio for many of his very interesting encounters.
>>13900
I like Walden a little better because there's more variety. IIRC the early parts of Walden are similar to Moving Ahead but not packaged quite as well (which made me start thinking about editing). But then Walden gets interesting the more he ventures outside of his daily grind. I liked the fake photoshoots for "underground" filmmaking, the trip to Brakhage's cabin, the blue blood wedding, etc. Also Wendy's Wedding has some of the coolest footage of all.
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No.13903
>>13899
>movie about a film crew documenting a serial killer's life as he goes about murdering people in brutal fashions by the French if I'm correct, you can tell it was them as at some point they grope a black guy before killing him
>C'est arrivé près de chez vous aka Man Bites Dog
I only watched it recently and must say that it was fun, Poelvoorde was great as intelligent sadistic sociopath.
I don't like Mekas too for pretty much the same reasons, and for one more; he was friends with assholes, Dalí, Warhol, Ginsberg, Lennon, and he was associated with Fluxus movement which completely missed its point and wasn't even ineteresting at all when it was new, but I don't dislike his filming method. Fortunately it was never in fashion at all, so there aren't that many films, and, as you said, almost all of them were done better. Is what he was doing the new left conceptual art?
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No.13911
>>13903
>Warhol
But he was a cool asshole Anon. The man helped make advances in the field of shitposting.
>Is what he was doing the new left conceptual art?
It's what he was aiming for I'm sure but post modernism helped more in my opinion.
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No.13913
>>13903
>Fluxus
Is it just me or does the presence of a self-important manifesto really decrease your chances of creating a worthwhile art movement?
It's funny they protested Stockhausen though.
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No.13920
>>13913
I don't know what exactly you mean by self-important manifesto[monoskop.org/images/f/fb/Maciunas_George_1963_Fluxus_Manifesto.jpg], but Breton wrote surrealist manifesto 158 pages PDF, imagine and surrealist movement did great.
>handed out leaflets denouncing Stockhausen as "a characteristic European-North American ruling-class Artist"
They protested against him for a reason tho.
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No.13921
>>13920
Ι protest Gotard for being a self-important leftist-with-daddy's-money asshole too, doesn't mean that reason is valid on any scale
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No.13923
>>13921
I think that Stockhausen did art and wouldn't even consider limiting himself with some tribalist piece of paper that self-defeats itself and, well, he doesn't fit into Fluxus, see 4th paragraph in manifesto. He also did many works and not that much of them can be considered Fluxian as in manifesto **at all*.
Anyway, these short vague manifestos are silly.
Note that Fluxus originated in USA and not in Europe; they are not interchangeable. Applying americanist movement guidelines in europe is pure faggotry.
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No.13947
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>>13923
I like Stockhausen and I've only heard people praise him before. That's why I thought it was funny they protested him. I was surprised that he would bother some group of nobodies so much.
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No.13949
Short nomination: Who is Bozo Texino?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2987966/
It's a homemade hobo documentary with charm and authenticity. See the NEET thread for more info.
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No.13957
>>13949
shit it's 57 minutes, maybe too long for a short
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No.13961
The Cremator (1969) would be my pick.
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No.13962
Superstar (short, 1988) - Todd Haynes; infamous biography of Karen Carpenter told with Barbie dolls. After 30 years it finally came out on DVD!
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No.13964
It’s like you went out of your way to find the most pretentious shit possible. You assholes haven’t even come close to watching half the tripe on this list correct?
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No.13965
>>13964
If we listed stuff we hadn't watched, we'd be a lot farther by now
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No.13966
>>13965
Gee anon I wasted 10 seconds of my life rereading your response and it still sounds retarded.
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No.13967
>>13966
bye bye now
does that make sense?
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No.13968
>>13964
>>13966
90% of picks here are barely decent if not just bad you're right but
>Pretentious
Get out.
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No.13970
>>13964
If you havent watched at least 70-80% of everything posted ITT, you dont belong here
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No.13971
>>13968
>90% of picks here are barely decent if not just bad
Suggest some better films then
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No.13973
>>13964
>pretentious
name some of your hipster fag picks, canadian
>>13968
call them out instead of expressing yourself in the worst way possible, worthless amerimutt
anyway, this is representative list of /film/, not your list
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No.13977
>>13973
>Hides flag
Don't call me an Amerimutt while hiding like a bitch.
Ironically you call me out instead of expressing yourself in the worst way possible, you're lucky this is the internet faggot.
>this is representative list of /film/
This is representative of people who decided to contribute to the list and that's not saying much.
>>13971
I literally can't, they're not on Letterboxd's catalog. Besides I despise that site with all my being for being the literal 4chan of movies.
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No.13978
>>13977
>hiding
I'm Czech. Would post from clearnet, but I have no intention of using regular browser (and javascript) ever again.
and I already contributed to both lists, amerimutt
>that's not saying much
But it is.
>they're not on Letterboxd's catalog
name some, just to stir the still waters
Actually I'm against being it on Letterboxd, never used any of these tracking services and pngs are better for both archiving and sharing. And yes, when I looked last time, many films were missing, in comparison with imdb, a lot, considering that imdb misses a lot of films too.
>4chan of movies
They are all reddit-tier.
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No.13979
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No.13980
>>13978
>Actually I'm against being it on Letterboxd, never used any of these tracking services and pngs are better for both archiving and sharing. And yes, when I looked last time, many films were missing, in comparison with imdb, a lot, considering that imdb misses a lot of films too.
So this whole argument was a waste of time then.
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No.13981
>>13964
This is the canadian guy talking 4chan-like of other threads, I bet he even is on that shitty Discord channel.
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No.13982
>>13980
And what are your films? You never answered that part.
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No.13992
Peter Weibel, Endless Sandwich (1969) - cascade of technical difficulties
Peter Campus, Three Transitions (1973) - brilliant use of bluescreen
Herbert Pierre, Around Perception (1968) - epileptic madness
Woody Vasulka, Art of Memory (1987) - cheap 80s video effects make for a retrowave jaunt through history
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No.13999
>>13992
>Three transitions.
Nicely done. I didn't think this list would get any better but you did it.
Art of Memory and the rest are meh though.
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No.14005
>>13786
>Virtually unknown as public screenings were prohibited by law
Why.
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No.14007
>>14005
Harvest was produced by the United States Information Agency to advertise US agriculture to foreign markets. For some bizarre reason USIA content could not be shown within the country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USIA
Of course there's no good reason for the US government to use public funds to produce advertising for select industries which are perfectly capable of advertising for themselves. Morally dubious and totally inefficient use of money. Maybe this kind of stuff was done to keep the lobbyists happy.
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No.14079
>>13999
>Art of Memory and the rest are meh though.
Ok, I retract my nomination of Endless Sandwich because there's not enough to it. As for the others it doesn't bother me if someone wants them gone. I was thinking the short film list has a slightly lower standard (since they're just shorts) but maybe I took it too low.
And I didn't want to go backwards too much on the top 250, but I want to mention one thing. Should we have two films from Jodorowsky? El topo seems like the one to pick. I haven't seen The Dance of Reality but I was wondering if it really adds anything to the list?
Please add Great Ecstasy of Woodcarver Steiner as a short, it's one of the best short documentaries from Herzog. Gadajace glowy is one of the best short documentaries from Kieslowski, but I'm on the fence about nominating it. I think it's pretty good but I'd like a second opinion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRVncgtT6GE
Sweet Movie for Dusan Makavejev? I think he should be on the top 250 and I think Sweet Movie is mentioned most often by people here. I watched WR Mysteries of the Organism much later, for some reason I don't remember much of it. I don't think I liked it better though... it wasn't quite as crazy.
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No.14080
>>14079
>Sweet Movie
Guy I wouldn't but if you want to go ahead, I'm not participating on the list.
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No.14081
My favorite Turkish film ever: Gemide (On Board) It's a story of sailors, living in their private world of lies. Everything goes downhill when one of the young sailors brings a prostitute aboard the ship.
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No.14083
>>14080
Out of curiosity, why not sweet movie?
It's probably Makavejev's most coherent work and certainly there have been worse entries (ie Soy Cuba, field in England)
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No.14084
>>14083
I don't know, it sounds like the person who doesn't like anything and won't suggest anything.
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No.14091
>>14083
It's very reminiscent of other Yugoslav films and quite frankly I have not seen it do anything special.
>>14084
>Maybe if I keep pointing it out he'll stop.
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No.14113
>>14091
>It's very reminiscent of other Yugoslav films and quite frankly I have not seen it do anything special.
the gap between
>imho it's not very special
to
>I'm not participating on the list
like he proposed something so embarassingly shitty that would bring you from anonimity on a image board to being publicly exposed as the guy with the shitties taste in the world banning you from the possibility to ever see a film again is quite big.
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No.14202
Masao Adachi - Gingakei / Galaxy (1967)
Remarkable film, a journey of the inner self through an otherworldly dream. Gingakei manages to be engrossing even though it can be arty and confusing. The faded film print unintentionally enhances this film's strange, enigmatic atmosphere.
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No.14239
I'd like to add Salo or the 120 days of sodom.
While it's become kind of a meme thanks to le ebin redditors it's actually a really important movie and Pasolini's masterpiece.
It's not only the conclusion to a fantastic filmography but also happend to be the final testament of the greatest mind of post world war 2 italy.
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No.14240
>>14239
How is it Pasolini's masterpiece if it's neither Teorema or the Gospel according to Matthew?
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No.14242
>>14239
Salo is utter trash.
>greatest mind of post world war 2 italy
>He was also positive about the New Left in the United States: after visiting the US in the mid-1960s, he came to the conclusion that the New Left "will lead to an original form of non-Marxist Socialism", and wrote that the movement reminded him of the Italian Resistance. Pasolini saw these two areas of struggle as inter-linked: after visiting Harlem he stated that "the core of the struggle for the Third World revolution is really America".
Faggot third position commie? I would say Evola if anybody.
>>14240
I don't quite like films he shot after Uccellacci e uccellini, as they were homoerotic as fuck I have yet to see Teorema tho, but Il vangelo secondo Matteo is easily the best film I've seen from and also easily the best Jesus film.
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No.14243
>>14242
I don't like his (or barely anyone's) politics either, but I don't judge him going by them
Teorema is also rather homoerotic, so if you're really scandalized by such stuff then idk
Either way Pasolini's best was definitely not Salo
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No.14246
>>14242
>He was also positive about the New Left in the United States: after visiting the US in the mid-1960s, he came to the conclusion that the New Left "will lead to an original form of non-Marxist Socialism", and wrote that the movement reminded him of the Italian Resistance. Pasolini saw these two areas of struggle as inter-linked: after visiting Harlem he stated that "the core of the struggle for the Third World revolution is really America".
The point of Salo is an abjuration of his previous position and works which were all pretty positive on sexual liberation and the whole 68 movements. Also in Salo homosexuality is seen as in imposition so hardly. If are such in disagreement with Pasolini politically it's obvious that you are not gonna enjoy his works tho.
His movies from first to last were all a celeberation of pre modern society which in opinion was tainted by capitalist ideals.
Evola was semi retarded as he supported a regime that went against everything he ever wrote.
Salo is much more than le ebil fascist are nasty.
>>14240
Salo is a much more prophetic work and really brings home the point.
Problably the gospel according to matthew is his second close but it doesn't have the metatexual and "complete" quality of Salo.
Salo just throws out of the window the whole history of the civilization post enlightment, it's a really fitting closure for pasolini's life and work even if it wasn't supposed to be one.
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No.14247
>>14246
>pre modern society which in opinion was tainted by capitalist ideals.
Not tainted.
Sorry
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No.14248
>>14246
>prophetic
Except it wasn't, otherwise Pasolini wouldn't take pride in being a communist while making a movie about fascism
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No.14249
>>14248
>Pasolini wouldn't take pride in being a communist while making a movie about fascism
Where does he do it in the movie?
And why he wouldn't?
The film isn't about fascist italy of mussolini but the fascist italy of post WWII the one where sexual dynamics where destroyed and commodified by consumerisme, the one that less than 10 years later would become the playground of a guy who owned television networks and would be elected by talking about god and then showing boobs on his channel.
Pasolini communism has nothing to do with what what's around these days.
In fact Salo is direct reaction to his previous trilogy of life which celebrated the sexual act as a liberatory form.
If you are so against communism how the fuck did you even like other Pasolini's works?
And btw Pasolini was kicked out of the communist party long time before Salo.
The only think that makes him remotly communist is him being anticapitalist and being a scholar of gramsci.
The only time communism is mentioned in the movie is in the light of a positive and heterosexual relationship that goes against the forced sodomy of the 4 libertines and even then it's just hopless posturing.
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No.14250
>>14249
>if you are so against communism... Pasolini's work?
Because I completely ignore my own politics when watching a movie and watch it from the director's point of view, as much as I can, based on my knowledge of them
Anyways I don't think this discussion is going anywhere and has hardly anything to do with the top 250
Personally I like Salo, but not as much as Teorema which is my favorite Pasolini. That's about all
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No.14251
>>14243
>but I don't judge him going by them
I don't too, it was rection on "greatest mind of post world war 2 italy".
>scandalized
Disgusted. Homoeroticism is pure cancer, eg Jean Genet and Derek Jarman.
>>14246
>His movies from first to last were all a celeberation of pre modern society which in opinion was not tainted by capitalist ideals.
True, but not from todays view, where being lumpen and fag is seen as the peak of humanity, and while they were celebrations of ancient societies, they were revisionist as fuck. And homoerotic ad absurdum. Also liberation through sex and not lust is pure escapism. It's like saying "tear your wings, be a worm". Not to say that while sexual liberation liberated sex eased access to women, it also completely destroyed sex and mainly sublime eroticism in the very same time. Sexual liberation was shitty reactionist blasphemy started by visualism. It gained traction only because everybody abbandoned imagination for the sake of quickness and cancerous utilitarianism paradoxically combined with mindless consumerism.
>disagreement with Pasolini politically
I very much accept his anti-capitalist posture and pre-modern society appreciation, even tho it was revisionist and retarded considering what the world was going through at the time. Pure escapism and hopeless defense against systemic oppression too. Was it presented as solution?
>semi-retarded as he supported a regime that went against everything he ever wrote
Yep, but post-ww2 didn't have anybody better.
>Salo is much more than le ebil fascist are nasty.
I just said it's utter trash with no explanation, don't imply.
>>14249
>Pasolini was kicked out of the communist party
I wouldn't call the party that kicked him out "communist".
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No.14256
>>14251
>True, but not from todays view, where being lumpen and fag is seen as the peak of humanity
>everybody abbandoned imagination for the sake of quickness and cancerous utilitarianism paradoxically combined with mindless consumerism.
This is exactly what Salo is about. Sex is not anymore seen as liberatory or free from the power but a brutal impostion. Especially faggines in Salo is not seen as a good thing. It's funny for you to say this since Pasolini would absolutley agree with you on it.
Modernism and enlightment are both seen as complicit to the brutality commited by the libertines
>Also liberation through sex and not lust is pure escapism.
Watch it with some historical context. The point wasn't even sex or lust, pasolini was one of the first to shit on the sexual revolution for taking away privacy from sex life, the point of free sexuality at least as pasolini intended it had more to do with freedom from economic and social herarchies. Yeah it was seen as liberatory since it was the only thing not tainted at the time. He saw his mistakes and made Salò
>Not to say that while sexual liberation liberated sex eased access to women, it also completely destroyed sex and mainly sublime eroticism in the very same time.
Again I don't see how can you object with the movie since Pasolini absolutley agrees with you. Read what he wrote on the trilogy of life before starting filming salò.
>even tho it was revisionist and retarded considering what the world was going through at the time.
I don't see in what way. You mean they should have known better? Way to easy to say that now. Not even the fascist where opposing at the time.
>Sexual liberation was shitty reactionist blasphemy started by visualism
This is debatable if not too semplistic imho. As far as Italy goes there wasn't just one group or reason to support those movements and Pasolini was anything but blasphemous, but others were I agree.
>Was it presented as solution?
Yes, it was and Salo is exactly his coming to terms with those mistake
>but post-ww2 didn't have anybody better.
No one gave a fuck in italy about evola after the war.
Even the italian fascist groups didn't give a fuck because they were to occupied watching television.
>I wouldn't call the party that kicked him out "communist".
This is a new one, for all it's flaws the PCI was a communist party in 1950 when pasolini got kicked out. Altrough I'm curious on why you say this. Sei Italiano?
>Homoeroticism is pure cancer
Don't watch Theorema and you'll be fine. Salo may be the reason why there is a theory for Pasolini being a self hating homosexual. I don't really see where you saw homoeroticism in Uccellacci and Ucellini tho. I didn't see the movie in 5 years but I don't rembeber anything gay about it.
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No.14275
>>13094
What is the deal with 8chan man? Nobody even mentioned Lord of the Rings or Star Wars yet, its like film school free online classes or some shit wow
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No.14276
>>14275
Ha ha, maybe you'll find some good suggestions here. It's kind of pointless to mention popular movies because everyone already knows about them. The list would be boring.
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No.14278
>>14276
but are these really the best films
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No.14280
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No.14285
>>14278
It's supposed to be the favorites of people here, not necessarily "best"
>>14275
Did you come from 4chan?
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No.14289
Well, after reading the thread i have to say i can write a bunch of arguments on why i chose a couple of films, but ultimately who is the taste judge and how could he scrap the suggestions? Not saying he can't
Ultimately it's supposed to be the personal tastes of each one, even if they come as "plebeian" (modesty aside i'm a lesser aficionado compared to most around here).
I think that if we really want a true Top 250 we would need to, very controversially, see how many of us lurk around here and try to allocate a number of picks, and/or separate choices around importance plus personal tastes and see how much it fills the list. I think, like many here, that Yojimbo is a juvenile cartoon compared to things like Harakiri or The Human Condition, but the vast use of high contrast textured backgrounds and attire that makes it a grand B&W work, along with the seminal importance it had on the reformed western genre and, ironically in a tangential way, in the chanbara genre makes it a piece of history worth of note. Yet it's as mainstream and known as we can get, i enjoy it but there might be controversy over its inclusion, still we can't deny it's an essential work in cinema due to legacy via quality.
Plus if someone really, really enjoys Kung Pow and justifies it with a coherent argument, why refuse it? The list is meant to reflect the board's personality, and who is the board if not the users themselves?
I realize i sound like a taste apologist and i don't like it either but that's the "just" truth, if the list comes as a train wreck it means some folks need more education/culture/bullying by the advanced users, because i do understand we shouldn't let shallow or merely mainstream works dominate the place.
pls no bully
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No.14290
>>14289
It sounds like it's just the time for me to propose Blackhat for this list.
If there is to be a Mann entry, that's what should be included imo
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No.14291
>>14290
I'm starting to regret my post, southern macedonian anon
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No.14292
>>14289
>Plus if someone really, really enjoys Kung Pow and justifies it with a coherent argument, why refuse it?
The list guidelines are a bit loose, but suggestions have been subjected to dissenting opinions. Something like King Pow would probably get shot down.
>The list is meant to reflect the board's personality, and who is the board if not the users themselves?
True, but that means taking into account all previous posts. The general trend of the board is away from mainstream films. I think the list should reflect that.
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No.14293
>>14292
>The general trend of the board is away from mainstream films. I think the list should reflect that.
But that doesn't mean that it should be forced that way, let the list reflect the nature of the board for good or bad, i mean the list shouldn't neccesarily reflect anything, but it will reflect something, just don't force it.
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No.14312
>>14275
Thank you Anon, now I finally have the strength to kill myself after reading your statement.
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No.14330
How about Man with a Movie Camera? It's one of the best silent documentaries, brilliant and effective experimentation as to what a film can do. It's probably my favorite from the group of films often near the top of the "greatest of all time" lists.
Eisenstein is a well-known contemporary of Vertov but I don't like him very much. From what I've seen Eisenstien is not very subtle, which annoys me. His messaging comes with airhorns and flashing lights.
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No.14332
>>14330
This film is too good to be on the list but at the same time I glad people haven't forgotten it here on 8gag. Fair enough I guess I'll be forced to throw in a pick instead of just shit talking everything.
1913's "Suspense."
Absolute meme core, but I guess it belongs on the list. The woman behind this apparently lost discovering split screen by a year and was done to spite D.W Griffith, but I guess it's decent enough to be around the 200-300's range for my list but fits well here.
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No.14348
Would like to see Masumiyet (1997) on the list. Demirkubuz is probably the best filmmaker to come out from Turkey and that 7 min long monologue from Haluk Bilginer is just remarkable.
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No.14354
>>14256
>Read what he wrote on the trilogy of life before starting filming salò.
I'll do, it's true I haven't read anything from him.
>You mean they should have known better?
I'll comment on that after rewatching.
>This is debatable if not too simplistic imho.
With the advent of televisions and mass advertisation/propaganda started visualism, the pop-culture*. This meant that the world was not going to let you imagine as they wanted you to brainlessly consume sex, sexuality and everything they wanted [and it soon projected into literature and everything else]. Exempli gratia not a thing of woman body was left to imagination, not a thing was left to imagination as it was shown. The trend hit general public and now here we are. I'm more sexually stimulated by, say, muslim women because I can imagine how she is, how's her body etc. And all that started as reaction against aristocratic elitism, against imagination, against intelligence, against human, not bourgeoisie shamefuly.
*Hence why 60s commies were obssessed with newspapers and television.
>No one gave a fuck in italy about evola after the war.
While it's true, does it make him any less greatest mind?
>homoeroticism in Uccellacci and Ucellini
That one was his last tolerable. Although there was a scene on the end of the film, where some people couldn't start a car? and there was a woman among those three? people that was about to give birth. That was homoerotic. I'll have to watch it again. Seen it something like 3 years ago.
>Sei Italiano?
Non.
>This is a new one, for all it's flaws the PCI was a communist party in 1950 when pasolini got kicked out.
They were too sucking Stalins dick, they were too sucking social realism and brutalist architecture, the ultimate anti-art, they didn't see how much in wrong they were for not advocating their own stances at the very least; you see, I'm more anarcho-communist/trotskyist therefore my opinion on that is kinda pointless, all other forms of communism I percieve as ruthless dictatorships. I have to cite Sartre too, one of the few who were still using their brains and recognized the enemies of culture.
If we want French civilization to survive, it must be fitted into the framework of a great European civilization. Why? I have said that civilization is the reflection on a shared situation. In Italy, in France, in Benelux, in Sweden, in Norway, in Germany, in Greece, in Austria, everywhere we find the same problems and the same dangers ... But this cultural polity has prospects only as elements of a policy which defends Europe's cultural autonomy vis-à-vis America and the Soviet Union, but also its political and economic autonomy, with the aim of making Europe a single force between the blocs, not a third bloc, but an autonomous force which will refuse to allow itself to be torn into shreds between American optimism and Russian scientificism.
Also I want to nominate L'Ami de mon amie. I was thinking about wonderful La Collectionneuse and Ma nuit chez Maud, but I consider L'Ami de mon amie more enjoyable. L'Ami de mon amie is certainly not superior, but the optimism, the summer happines, the lightheartedness, the awesome color choices, the beatiful Emmanuelle Chaulet and it's also film that came after godafwul, ugly and for-tv-made Le Rayon vert, film that cleaned his name in my eyes and saved Comédies et Proverbes.
>>14280
certainly not
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No.14359
>>14354
>Also I want to nominate L'Ami de mon amie
quoted for visibility
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No.14423
>>14354
just an addendum to visualism as I'm about to rewatch his, hmm, ancient duology; one abolishes individuality for the sake of sign.
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No.14447
Meshes of the Afternoon - Homebrew surrealism with some of the best dream logic I've seen in a film
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No.14512
The Leppid is the gold standard in lavish historical epics about the aristocracy. The exquisite beauty of this film helps stoke my romanticized view of that time and place. The party scene is legendary. When I watch similar films I always hope to experience the same kind of magic, but so far nothing has surpassed it.
Also for spring please add Ofrenda by Claudio Caldini to shorts
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No.14518
>>14512
Leopard, Train and Sweet Smell are the best Lancaster films. Very charismatic lead, Hollywood lacks them these days.
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No.14519
>>14518
I agree. Those three films are excellent. I love the snappy writing in SSoS.
Lancaster had a particularly dignified screen presence. I was thinking of other male actors who were active around the same time.
Kirk Douglas doesn't really measure up. Not only was he a manlet, but his persona usually had shades of sleazeball. I can't fully respect that.
Other actors like Laurence Olivier carried a dignified persona, but that came from an obvious theatre background. I find that to be offputting.
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No.14520
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>14519
Kubrick removed that sleazeball in Paths of Glory quite well, didn't he though? My favorite Douglas is that, or "Lonely are the brave", scene included in embed. Do agree with that bit about Olivier too.
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No.14523
>>14520
I wasn't really bashing Kirk. I always have fun watching him. I just don't think he's as good as Lancaster.
I notice Kirk Douglas movies hit certain points again and again. He often has a brooding scene where he's pacing around outraged about some injustice. Then there's a scene where he's gregarious and gladhanding all his friends after a successful escapade. Then there's a scene where he finds an excuse to take his shirt off so he can puff out his ribcage.
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No.14525
>>14518
Burt is great stuff, his acting demeanor was a strange combination of manliness, elegance and the rare ingredient of (seemingly) honest humbleness. Some actors can pull the last but without being very convincing or achieving a strong lead attitude, pretty tough. Macho and elegance can be see often but the script always steers it to be overly dominant or placed into a trick character.
Fella had weird politics but didn't really matter or interfere with his movies other than Nuremberg Trials, but that's a script thing. Also one of the few actors who interpreted his drunk status as overly fond of things and people, don't why that isn't more exploited.
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No.14551
I want to nominate Clouds of Glass while the Czech guy isn't paying attention, since I really like it and he doesn't
>>13464
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No.14554
>>14423
I couldn't force myself to see it even though I've been reading greeks lately and read Medea and Oedipus because of that. I take back that Pasolinis two films set in ancient greek are revisionist.
>>14551
It just didn't resonate with me.
How about Mon Oncle? I haven't seen a film that would make me want to go sit in pub with folks, have boar's head with garlic and pint of bear, then pack my pipe and talk about local politics or how the madman living in neighboring village sold three nearly dead mares above the price, or just simply enjoy life without thinking about it, sunbathe in the ordinary life of goodhearted villagers and accept the ever-changing stillness in a long long time. Tati is more and more relevant these days and not only on imageboards. Poujadism is back in fashion.
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No.14559
Cría Cuervos (Raise Ravens) and Paris, Texas are my recommendations. I don't know if they are so mainstream.
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No.14560
>>14554
Yes I'm surprised Tati wasn't suggested already
Another I don't see is Alain Resnais. I suggest Hiroshima mon amour which is simply a poignant love story. I know Marienbad is the more challenging and more iconic film, but I don't think it works as well as it could.
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No.14569
>>14348
This film is bad. Adding it to the list just because it's from Turkey is not a good enough reason, and having a long monologue isn't that either.
If they were then I'd like you guys to add
>Kurtlar Vadisi: Irak
a stunning, engaging, bold and provocative story, terrific acting (for being a turkish film) and some innovative action sequences. Turkey's answer to Sholay basically.
If you guys are into monologues, then why the hell isn't Network or Altered States on your list?
This list smells circlejerking,
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No.14570
>>13094
>Generally we want the list to reflect the nature of this board, so let's try to avoid mainstream titles.
what's the definition of "mainstream"?
Stalker for instance, was incredible mainstream in russia with 4 million tickets sold.
same with La Dolce Vita, The Birth of a Nation, The Wages of Fear, Suspiria, Das Boot and a bunch of others films in your list.
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No.14571
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No.14572
>>14570
This is my main issue with it too, but I suspect it means the obvious, ie no modern (50s+) American blockbusters and no American classics (with the exception of perhaps Griffith)
If anything, IMO, Unforgiven or The Wild Bunch or half of the John Ford movies deserve to be there more than half of what's there, but who cares anyways
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No.14575
>>14570
I think, in context, it means hard to penetrate films and today lesser known, overlooked or lesser known outside of country of origin. There are already many lists with quality but somewhat popular films, so these lists try to create something of value. But of course when there's 250 limit there will be a lot of known films and we didn't even hit 250.
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No.14821
>>14572
Unforgiven was really plain and did nothing new, and it is since the script was floating around in Hollywood for 20 years. I don't know why it's praised as one of the best movies made.
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No.15106
>>14569
>This film is bad. Adding it to the list just because it's from Turkey is not a good enough reason
I haven't seen Masumiyet but it has good reviews. Of course that may be illusory; Yol (1982) is another Turkish film with good reviews -- it's probably even more acclaimed than Masumiyet -- but I found it to be mediocre.
How do you feel about Dry Summer? That one I enjoyed very much. I think it's a world cinema essential.
The story builds upon the universal topic of a water dispute. During a summer drought, a boorish tobacco farmer dams the irrigation canal because the spring originates on his property. As the heat intensifies, so does the conflict between the farmer, his neighbors and eventually his own family.
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No.15145
>>15106
Demirkubuz produces same kitsch flicks all the time. I've seen all his early works and they're all arabesque craps. I don't even bother watching his new films.
If you want to want to add a Turkish film to Top 250, it must be a Ceylan or Güney film. Susuz Yaz (Dry Summer) by Erksan is a solid choice too. Other directors worth mentioning are Reha Erdem, Emin Alper, Semih Kaplanoğlu and Derviş Zaim.
My nominations for the list are Umut (Güney, 1970) and Bir Zamanlar Anadolu'da (Ceylan, 2011)
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No.15336
>>14575
>Karlovy Vary aka Marienbad
I have to say that I'm for it and think that it's one of the most cinematic films ever. But I'm quite sucker for Robbe-Grillet('s screenplays) and I've seen it in cinema, so I'm biased, but I've seen majority of films in cinema, so whatever.
My nomination this time is O Padre e a Moça (1966) by Joaquim Pedro de Andrade for it being the best and most cinematic cinematic depiction of first love I've seen. It leaves almost nothing to imagination and nothing to interpretation it being yet again shot in nazi/commie/capitalist fashion, that is muh plebs fashion, but it's great example of film being so poetic, emotive, impressive, inspiring and imaginative that it doesn't need any mystery, no tasteful symbolism, being really just a simple, with great screenplay, masterfully shot(I liked especially the conveyed unconveyed hesitations: mise-en-scène, the crystallic close-ups, lightheaded tracking shots and the firmly emancipating barren landscapes) story; immortal story, of Beauty and Love, one can say Art and Life, being envied and hunted by the untalented, by the bitter, by moralizers, by someone, be it nazis, commies, bourg democrats or any other levelling mediocrity and purpose trying to make ugly beatiful and mundane unusual, or outright denying existence of Beauty like in all three cases(the second was by far the best for art though), it doesn't matter, it's always the same "people", the same "reasons", the same "righteous" and that's why the story is immortal. Another thing I liked is that it relies heavily on newfound God and is completely amoral; it doesn't care about morals, morals don't exist, morals exist outside the couple, outside Love and Beauty, outside Life and Art. The very premise of the film is aristocratic yet universal, idealistic; pure and unriddled lyrical epic and that's exactly why it left an impression too. Nobody cares about mundane, about ugly, about lowly, nobody should care about any of that and that's, again, exactly why this stark, explicitly christian gem shines so brightly. It's raw and natural too, there are no masks, no reality yet reality; it's beatiful lie, one of the best films I've ever seen honestly. Film about beatiful, thus God, against ugly and mediocre, thus Devil. Dreamlike vision, rabid cricket, stale like fidget.
Another one is short Sběrné surovosti (1965) by Juraj Herz. It's based on Hrabal's Baron Munchausen. That says all. Nice little canapé. Actually the aspect of his short is exactly what I find in every Němec' film and is why he's among my favourites.
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No.15351
>>15336
Two films added to my watchlist.
You mentioned Bohumil Hrabal so I was curious what else (from films) I would know. When I watched Pearls of the Deep I don't think I realised that all segments came from the same author. But I confess the film did not leave a lasting impression on me because I have forgotten most of the details.
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No.15371
>>15351
There's also Menzel's Ostře sledované vlaky and Fádní odpoledne by Passer.
ad O Padre e a Moça I think this sums it up nicely: nec mori timet, nec vivere recusavit
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No.15375
I suggest adding Rehearsals for Retirement on the shorts list. I love the ethereal and melancholy atmosphere of that Phil Solomon was able to create by completely re-purposing a video game environment.
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No.15376
>>15375
His 16mm are miles away better than his average video experiments.
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No.15716
>>14569
You have a nigger's brain, not even shocked about that considering your flag says everything. By your logic let's include Hard Boiled and many other great HK cinema that fits the "stunning, engaging, bold and provocative story, terrific acting (for being a turkish film) and some innovative action sequences." much better than that piece of shit Turkish propaganda crap, fucking hell dude, I at least hope you're being sarcastic. And I must admit, you got me there.
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