No.13445
Looking for films with an archaic or medieval kind of setting. Any recs?
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No.13446
Anatolian, midddle eastern, Russia, or Northern Europe?
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No.13447
>>13446
Or even Ethiopia if you wanna really reach.
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No.13448
One from Iran, I don't think it's been mentioned before.
Marg Yazdgerd (Bahram Beizai, 1982)
>Death of Yazdgerd is the story of death of the last king of Iran before Muslims invade Iran.
It's theatrical rather than a true historical film, but some of you will still be interested. It needs a better release though. This muddy VHS (?) is the only viewing option.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084304
http://hawkmenblues.blogspot.com/2016/04/marg-yazdgerd-bahram-beizai-1982.html
mega.nz/#!ZqoxlSpJ!_yNcUjci-dAzlgGidZzI31erUtzwaUhdArP0sx66KfE
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No.13450
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No.13451
>>13450
password from the blog
HmB79
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No.13452
>>13451
Merci perfidious island kike.
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No.13453
Three familiar titles for the lurkers who might not know about them yet and anyone else who forgot
Valley of the Bees (1968)
Black Cross (1960)
Hard to be a God (2013) - technically scifi, and don't forget there's a German version from 1989 too
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No.13454
12 oz. Mouse is the peak of television along with the other genuinely experimental shows in the golden age of Adult Swim and fits the criteria of being archaic. A lot of people compare it to David Lynch just for the surrealism which is a load of horseshit as it has nothing in common with his work besides that wide point.
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No.13455
>>13448
>>13453
>>13454
thanks a lot, this is the kind of stuff I'm looking for
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No.13456
>>13453
I like how much recommended Vláčil is.
Did you mean this by the Black Cross?
infogalactic.com/info/Black_Sunday_(1960_film)
Just to be sure.
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No.13457
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>13456
>I like how much recommended Vláčil is.
I love Vlacil, are you Czech? I found this nice paragraph while looking for images. (I don't think he's forgotten but maybe it was written a while ago.)
review by Michael Atkinson:
A forgotten world-class figure, Frantisek Vlácil was, with just a handful of films to prove it, the Czech New Wave's formalist, post-expressionist wrecking ball, their Welles, their Paradjanov. In the modest window between Moscow's 20th Congress in '56 and the tanks of '68, Forman, Passer, and Menzel made Bohemia safe for the Oscars, Juraj Jakubisko pursued his orgiastic apocalypses, and Jan Nemec crystallized the Kafkaesque suffocation of extra-Soviet life. But briefly, Vlácil was the idiosyncrat, and the image master. Amid a movement renowned for its gritty intimacy and keen social observation, he trumped his compatriots' notions of "nouvelle"-ness with 1967's adaptation of Vladislav Vancura's novel Marketa Lazarová. In the Czech Republic's 1998 centennial celebration, that ambitious historical pageant was voted the greatest Czech film of all time, and it is a crazed musk ox of a movie, a nightmare epic about warring medieval tribes that brands you with images and passages of one-of-a-kind pagan muscularity. That same year, Vlácil revisits the milieu in Valley of the Bees, a moral fable of corruption and fundamentalism chronicling the clashing paths of two knight-monks—one a wayfarer from a hellish family who returns upon maturity to exact his own satisfaction, and the other a true believer who follows, brimming with homicidal righteousness. It's no Lazarová, but Vlácil's spectacular orchestration of landscape, violent chaos, wild animals, and Middle Age iconography is never less than impressive.
>Did you mean this by the Black Cross?
I meant Krzyżacy (1960) also known as Knights of the Teutonic Order - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054004/
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No.13458
>>13457
Yep, I am. I don't really like what he did when he was in army, ie Skleněná Oblaka and the propagandist stuff (don't know if he had to to film) and what he did after '68 (Adelheid was fun tho), but his medieval trilogy - naturalism, reason vs alien religion, resignation/conformity, narrowmindnes.. It's unique, and the imagery is just beatiful (Údolí Včel) - the hounds, the homoerotic shores, the claustrophobic, unnatural monastic environment, and there's also something I can't describe in words, the strangeness, madness. In some aspects it's similar to Il deserto rosso.
Here in Czech he's certainly not forgotten, shamefully because people are more and more lazy and dumb (Vančura is on the list of matura books, and 99% choose film instead of a book) and because it's pushed on universities etc. Not sure if it's good thing, I hate when things get profaned.
>Krzyżacy
Is it burger film or polish/polish-lithuanian film?
And fuck, I love Trudno byt bogom, it feels like diving into bottomless sea of shit.
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No.13464
>>13458
> Skleněná Oblaka
Aw, I like that one, called Clouds of Glass in English. The propaganda doesn't kick in until the end, awkwardly, but up to that point th remarkable visual ideas with the windows, structure beams, shadows, etc. And I like the look of mid-century colour filmstock in general.
Maybe propaganda is more annoying to the country it is directed at?
It sounds like you've seen most of Vlacil's filmography. I've just seen five, not including his earliest or later output, and I downloaded Dáblova past long ago but still didn't watch it. I'm disappointed to hear your appraisal of his later films. I thought Adelheid was okay, but you'd say nothing was very good after that?
>And fuck, I love Trudno byt bogom, it feels like diving into bottomless sea of shit.
Yeah it's appallingly grimy, but then you start wondering if that filth is closer to reality than many medieval films where most characters have shiny hair and perfect teeth.
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No.13465
>>13464
>I like the look of mid-century colour filmstock
Truth is that I don't.
If I'm not mistaken, Dersu Uzala (Kurosawa) despite having been shot in 70s had very similar somewhat yellowish, orangish colors. Why is that?
>Ďáblova past
It's considered the weakest film from the trilogy, for a reason, but it's still pretty good. I have actually seen it for the first time few weeks ago; very straightforward and the reason/honesty x narrowmindness/envy is very clear, also Macháček as the Jesuit is slick. I would talk about camera, but I'm lacking in vocabulary a lot.
See for yourself and I recommend watching those three in chronological order.
>Maybe propaganda is more annoying to the country it is directed at?
Not at all, but science is very tricky and anything army is simply outrageous no matter where shot, imo.
>but you'd say nothing was very good after that
very good, no
good, yes
Stín kapradiny is the best he shot after '68 except Adelheid, and it's also the film I enjoyed most.
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No.13466
>>13454
God tier taste,good job on spreading the good word on 12 oz mouse.
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No.13467
I really like Drak sa vracia (1968) and you guys might too, as it has a similar aesthetic to Frantisek Vlácil films. I'm not exactly sure when this story takes place, but looking at the clip it must be old enough to qualify.
>A ballad of love, hatred, and desire to escape from loneliness. The story of a reclusive potter, who returns, years after being shunned by his village.
The director Eduard Grecner only made five films, with a 25 year absence from filmmaking after this one.
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No.13484
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>13448
It's on YouTube as well.
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No.13485
Medieval and fairy tale films on my watchlist. Tell me if they are worth it.
The Golden Fern - rare Czech film that looks interesting
Brother Sun Sister Moon - from Romeo and Juliet director, appears to be another story of young love
The Hour of the Pig - I've heard it mentioned in passing but I don't know anything about it
The Jester's Tale - Karel Zeman comedic take on the Thirty Years War
Il decameron - Pasolini of course
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No.13497
>>13485
>The Jester's Tale
It's not. Zeman is to czech cinematography what Beneš was to politics, just like Vláčil is to czech cinematography what Masaryk was to politics. Zeman is predecessor of all the shittines that came in with normalization and post '89.
And the blend of animation/drawings and live-action isn't anything extra.
>Il Decameron
Better read a book.
>>13467
Would watch it, but the only option to watch it is to buy it.
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No.13503
>>13497
>Zeman is predecessor of all the shittines that came in with normalization and post '89.
Can you explain what you mean, maybe give some examples?
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No.13504
>>13497
>Would watch it, but the only option to watch it is to buy it.
It's on rutracker
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No.13506
>>13503
When the normalization came, it came with strong censorship; most films that were shot were tv crime serials, crime films, dramas and "comedies". Censorship alone wouldn't be a problem, but most directors that were allowed/wanted to shot were somewhat pro-stalinist or Joes, or simply adjusted themselves to normalization.
Bláznova kronika is comedy, so I'm listing all my problems with it that haunts todays czech cinematography.
The actors act like if they are acting stupidly bad on purpose, there is no truth in their masks, they forceplay their roles. It resembles some shit plebeian greek comedy. It's not funny. It's vulgar.
It panders to the lowest common denominator. It shows the lowlinnes of masses and panders to them with muh common sense and muh ordinary people are smartasses that always outsmart those above them, in this case le evil royalists/aristocracy/military.
common sense is bullshit, it's mere glorified myopia
The language used is awful. Maybe I wouldn't be against it if most very dumb people wouldn't be using all those smartass words, but it's common that you see people like that here in czech way too often. See above. There's nothing sublime in it. It's vulgar.
Not sure about how I should approach the comedy itself part, but it's all vulgar, too vulgar. That's why nobody in their right mind should ever read Zola, it's the same.
About camera, as I said before, I lack in vocabulary.
For reference see Troška, Poledňáková, Lipský, Svěrák, some films from Hřebejk, Menzel, Kachyňa etc. Especially first three and Menzel. The newer films you watch, the worse it should be.
post-89 is capitalism, so there's your answer
you have to sell, and making shit films is the easiest way
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No.13507
>>13506
Interesting. As an outsider I wouldn't have noticed a lot of the things you mentioned. The anti-monarchy bias seems pretty common in those types of films, you almost expect it at this point.
On the topic of censorship, one of the most abrupt changes I've seen from a Czech director was Jaromil Jires. He got in trouble for making Zert which was very critical of the govt. A couple years later he made Bolshevik propaganda with ...a pozdravuji vlastovky.
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No.13508
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No.13609
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No.13803
This dignified and stylized film, set in the Middle Ages, follows the exploits of Sir Perceval, a legendary exemplar of knightly chivalry and one of the champions of King Arthur's Round Table. The story is based on the verse tale Perceval ou le Conte del Graal as recounted by the 12th-century French belletrist Chrétien de Troyes. While living with his widowed mother, the young Perceval (Fabrice Luchini) is much impressed by the grandeur of the knights he sees, and he undertakes to become one.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078073/
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No.13956
DeMille gives a positive account of the Crusades with exciting battle scenes for the time. This was 1935 so I wonder when public perception on the Crusades shifted to be more negative, as it was when I first learned of them.
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No.13995
Yuri Ilyenko's Legend of Princess Olga takes place in Kievan Rus' as Christianity replaces paganism. On his deathbed in 1015, Vladimir the Great is haunted by the enigmatic life of his grandmother Olga of Kiev. Her life inspired many legendary tales, ranging from tragic lost love to heartless acts of cruelty. Vladimir wants to separate truth from myth - if it's even possible for him (or us) to know for sure.
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No.14178
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No.14241
>>14178
they're sick, thanks to all
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No.14511
Skanderbeg (1953) directed by Sergei Yutkevich | IMDb 8.1
<This is the true story of the National Hero of Albanians, George Kastrioti Scanderbeg, from his birth to his death. 1405-1468. Based mainly upon the monk writer Marin Barleti, the movie starts off with how the boy Scanderbeg was taken hostage by the ottoman turks and trained from them until he became one of the most outstanding warriors of the Ottoman Empire, then later returned home to his country to organized the oppressed Albanians into a fierce and heroic resistance for over 30 years. After converting from Islam to Christianity (the religion of ancestors) he managed to keep the greatest empire on earth at the time from invading Albania. His story is an inspiration to generations of Albanians, wherever they lived.
<Filmed in Magicolor, it pays tribute to the great Balkan warrior of the fifteenth century who saved Albania from Turkish oppression. A collaboration of the Mosfilm Studios and New Albania Productions, this whopping Artkino release holds almost overwhelming grandeur and a human drama that tells the story of the greatest Albanian Hero of all times.
The longer Albanian cut is on youtube with English subtitles. Search "Скандербег" on Rutracker for better image quality without subs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZrnjnWakZY
https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4267822
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No.14513
>>13454
Hell yeah my dude. 12 oz. is one of the best cartoons i've seen.
Here in latin america they translated the name of the show to "Sponge mouse". I don't know why.
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No.14553
>>13507
>>13508
Well, slovaks openly colaborated with hitlerists who wanted to enslave and exterminate them because, among other things, masaryk dared to take land from ones that had more land than they would ever need and gave it to those who had nothing ~70,000. Interesting thing is that coordinators were clerics, papalists and catholic church in general which btw wasn't even remotly as hit as the huge landowners.
Slovaks are weird.
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No.14855
The usual ones, Andrei Rublev, The Canterbury Tales, Jungfrukällan, Black Death, Det sjunde inseglet, Alexander Nevsky and Otakar Vávra made few films about Hussites.
>>13507
Maybe watch The Unbearable Lightness of Being, haven't seen it myself, but it deals with pre/after Prague Spring Czechoslovakia.
The film portrays Czechoslovak artistic and intellectual life during the Prague Spring, and the effect on the main characters of the communist repression that resulted from the Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968.
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No.14869
Two of the most influential ancient civilizations were Greece and Rome, and they are frequently depicted in films.
I've seen a lot of films about Rome but not as many about Greece. And I've seen even fewer Greek films about ancient Greece. What's worth seeing besides Iphigenia? I'd think Greeks would have a better perspective on their own history and culture, even though other countries have made more movies about it.
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No.15433
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
The Fall of the Roman Empire (1964) - Senate scene
Have you heard what is being proposed? Caius Metellus Livius has asked that we, the Roman senate, should give these barbarians, these savages, Roman citizenship and settle them on Roman land!
>>14553
>coordinators were clerics
coordinators for the land seizures?
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No.15434
>>15433
Now that you mention a film about the roman empire.
I'd recommend Dacii (1966). A romanian film about the conflict of the romans and the barbarians.
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No.15435
>>15433
>coordinators for the land seizures?
For the takeover. They would be for the land seizures only if it was for them and not for people. That's whats weird about it too, hitler and mussolini were open enemies of catholic church since they got in power, yet despite that church kept supporting them, both the vatican branch and irredentist branches knowing they would have no power then neither over material matters nor over spiritual matters.
I get Slovaks' other reasons, but Czechoslovakia wasn't Czechia and Slovakia for this very reason, to prevent the inherent german aggresion, or at least that's what I think designers of the versailles treaty had on mind when creating czechoslovakia, and you had Hungary in the area too.
Shame their interwar cinema sucks, but on the other hand, it was their last time period of good literature.
>>15434
>Dacii
I wish it was on bluray, people already know radulescu and enescu so nicolescu should be no exception.
Michael the Brave should be on bluray apparently looking at wikipedia, but don't see it anywhere, anybody knows anything about it?
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No.15437
>>15434
>I'd recommend Dacii (1966)
that looks great, thanks
>>15435
>Michael the Brave should be on bluray apparently looking at wikipedia
I was planning to watch Michael the Brave but I never heard of a bluray. All I found is this hdtv version which doesn't look much better than the DVD (maybe it's a little worse in fact).
http://imgbox.com/g/yIf3s96zdV
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No.15456
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Cant find a full version of Deseos for the life of me but Rafael Corkidi has the look you're looking for. This is somehow the only version I can find online https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQq4YwHfmV8
Pafnucio Santo is very surreal and might get a bit crazy but Deseos has that archaic look, the embed is a small edit I made
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No.15459
>>15456
There's about 10 minutes cut? I haven't read about it at all, what's missing?
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No.15460
>>15459
OK I didn't click that link. I was looking at a rip that is 87 minutes long compared to the 98 minute imdb running time.
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No.15461
>>15459
>>15460
Pretty rare. Video just got blocked from copyright too lol
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