No.1208 [Last50 Posts]
What does /film/ think of anime film?
Personal I never cared for a lot of them, found some studio ghibli films charming but have never come across something I would recommend to a friend.
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No.1210
I started browsing 4chan back in late 2006, I didn't watch anime back then and I don't watch it now, but I've been trying to get into it.
I saved this pic a while back, so check it out.
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No.1211
>>1210And the updated version.
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No.1213
>>1208Anime is for low IQ ppl
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No.1244
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No.1279
I'm a big fan. Like most things there is plenty of shit but there are also many classics, like Akira.
Too many people refuse to even give it a chance, usually due to bullshit reasons such as "cartoons are for kids" or something like that. Just because something is drawn and coloured in doesn't automatically mean it's designed for a child.
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No.1336
>2014
>silent bumping
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No.1572
>>1208End of Evangelion is one of my favorite animated films and probably the only one (besides Akira) that I'd recommend.
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No.1578
>>1208I think you can recommend feels of fireflies to normie friends, since it's not too pretentious or silly.
Also dem endingsIn general modern anime
films are too artsy and autistic compare to older anime.
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No.1584
>>1578>>1208I've heard good things about both movies and they are currently sitting in my backlog. I am wondering whether I should move these up the list. Opinions?
On the subject animes/cartoons (anything animated) being seen as lesser art I believe people are foolish to disregard their value without at least giving some of the more famous ones a try. Films from studio ghibli for example can be enjoyed by most anyone and deserve much of the praise they receive.
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No.1669
A very common complaint in anime movies is poor/awkward pacing. The main problem with anime movies throughout the ages is that the majority of the time they are directed by people who have little idea of film-making. They often coming from other departments like technical stuff or they have just worked on TV. Sometimes a miracle occurs, like in Miyazaki´s case. But with him gone, there is little to expect nowadays.
Ignore the recommendation images if you aren´t really into anime. Those were made for people who are still excited about it and want to gobble up as much as they can.
If you are interested in movies only, it is safer to go by award winning directors and movies. Like Satoshi Kon. Like Mamoru Hosoda. Like Masaaki Yuasa. Like Mamoru Oshii. Maybe Makoto Shinkai. Maybe Katsuhiro Otomo (manga is probably stronger with this one). Is there good stuff outside of this group? Of course there is. But the trial and error will be painful if you aren´t into anime. Even this group may be risky for normal people. I wouldn´t recommend diving deeper if you aren´t really into this stuff because things will probably only go waaaay downhill. Never force anime to people who aren´t into it. It will only make them hate it even more.
>>1578>In general modern anime films are too artsy and autistic compare to older anime.Excuse me? In what sense? Because what I have been watching for the last few years has not been like that at all. In general, movies are just a way to compile or conclude a TV series. Sometimes it is just the annual event of an extremely popular series like Doraemon, Lupin, Precure, etc.
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No.1670
I also found some Ghibli movies charming, but they're not the masterpieces some normies make them out to be.
I didn't like Akira nor Ghost in the Shell. Those movies pretended to have some sort of substance just to discard it at the last minute showing disturbing, unnecesary levels of gore, futuristic battles, or good animation.
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No.1688
>>1670>I also found some Ghibli movies charming, but they're not the masterpieces some normies make them out to be.This. This so much. Studio Ghibli pictures —which I enjoy— have been for some elusive reason vastly overhyped in the West, which is a pity since there are myriads of worthwhile and incredible anime movies unnoticed while >muh Miyazaki hoards all the audience.
I admit I'm a sucker for Chinese cartoons. I love both Akira and Ghost in the Shell —although I slightly prefer GitS: Innocence to its prequel. Angel's Egg is one of my favourite things ever, regardless of the medium. I save a special place in my heart for Tekkonkinkreet; it might not have the most realized script, but it is absolutely gorgeous.
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No.1694
Well, like films that are live action there are many great ones and many that are pure fucking shit. Of course there are masters like Miyazaki and his always excellent work, except for Howl's Moving Castle which isn't really bad just meh. Then you have Japan's David Fincher Satoshi Kon, who sadly passed away four years ago. I insist that if you like films Seven to check out his film Perfect Blue. And of course there is Akira, which if you haven't seen it I must think you do not love film as much you think. Finally there is the only good anime show based film Cowboy Bebop: Knocking on Heaven's Door.
And there is the pure crap ones. Tales From Earthsea is a piece of shit, it's boring and the story is just uninteresting. And not to mention the spin off movies from shows just make a quick buck. Those you should stay away from.
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No.1700
>>1688>I slightly prefer GitS: Innocence to its prequelI thought I was the only one.
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No.1703
>>1688Based Redline is based
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No.1705
>>1694>Finally there is the only good anime show based film Cowboy Bebop: Knocking on Heaven's Door.That's a weird way to spell End of Evangelion.
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No.1768
>>1700Well, you aren't. I think Innocence reaches levels of narrative/philosophical depth that are rarely seen in cinema, let alone an anime movie.
>dat dream simulation sequenceMy only concern is the fact that the team decided to implement 3D animation, which looks a bit artificial in comparison to traditional Japanese animation —regardless of it, the film is gorgeous aesthetically.
>>1703Everyone should watch Redline.
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No.1769
Everything Satoshi Kon directed is worth watching, especially Perfect Blue and Paprika.
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No.1787
>>1769Millennium Actress is definitely the best of Kon's work. While Perfect Blue and animated Inception are great, MA beats both of them by a mile
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No.1798
>>1688>>1703>>1768redline is shit. Please go back to /a/ and /tv/. This is a place to discuss artistic film.
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No.1799
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No.1802
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No.1937
I love animation in general (it happens to be my favourite artform)
I wish more fans of film gave animation a chance, or at least didn't constantly bash it
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No.1938
>>1798>Hating on redline it's at least well animated and fun to watch film when you don't want to turn your mind on
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No.1939
>>1798>Hating on redline it's at least well animated and fun to watch film when you don't want to turn your mind on
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No.1943
Only animation thread I see here, Anyone watching the TCM old ass animation marathon?
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No.1944
Yeah Prince Achmed is on, but I'm also eating and browsing so I'm missing half of it.
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No.2160
Not an anime film but I believe quite a few anime shows like Texhnolyze not only surpass most if not all anime films but even rival some of the better actual films.
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No.2244
I'd personally go for Summer Wars. It is a pretty mild movie. Good attempt for the director's debut, but lack of worthy storyline.
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No.2250
>beats both of them by a mile
How about you shut the fuck up?
Perfect Blue comes in a close close second, and is arguably on of the greatest and most intelligent thrillers since its release.
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No.2253
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No.3655
>>1787For me MA is the best among Satoshi Kon's excellent resume.
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No.3656
>>1787>>3655Agree, but I have a soft spot for Tokyo Godfathers.
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No.3661
>>1208I've been suspicious of Chinese cartoons in the past. Most of what I've seen has been crap, the kind of fluff you would see high school anime clubs discussing.
Still though, I'm willing to give any film a shot, no matter how outlandish or unappealing it might seem. I've heard that Akira and Ghost in the Shell rise above just being typical weeb trash but I don't know much more than that.
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No.3663
>>3661Can't go wrong with Akira, the amount of effort that went into it was monumental on an animation scale, plus the action is fun and the soundtrack is fantastic.
Can't say the same for Ghost in the shell- though the animation is almost as good- I didn't 'get' it, the pacing is slow and it seemed like the catalyst of the movie didn't show up until the very end.
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No.3703
Someone in this thread mentioned Angels Egg.
Disregard all the bullshit that anime plebs give it and just watch it if you haven't already.
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No.3709
>>3703that and beautiful dreamer are pretty great
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No.3724
>>1213you're dismissing an artform, not just a genre. your statement is as true as saying cinema is for low iq ppl.
>>1208more than half of japan's literature is published as manga. to japanese people, cartoons isn't culturally fixed to a young audience (as it is to a great extent in the rest of the world). We aren't used to watch love stories, dramas, thrillers, horrors, etc. as cartoons, and I still am having trouble watching to animated characters being intimate. I think it's a cultural thing. But I also think, that you to some extent can get used to it/learn to appreciate it.
Back in the day, it was a much cheaper way of producing sci-fi for example and getting money shots.. imagination wasn't bound by what limited cgi 'wizards' could come up with or what was possible with real stuff..
I think a lot of very imaginative stuff has been produced in this form.. but it's distinctively japanese, and if your idiosyncracies generally pull you away from that, then it's probably not for you.
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No.3725
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>>1210>>1211Meh list, lots of filler and missing a few of the real gems that make the tons and tons of shit in the genre worth wadding through.
You can tell that whoever compiled it only cares about current anime, there is barely anything from the 80s (like Oedo 808, Angel's Egg, etc) and 90s (Macross Plus, Ninja Scroll, etc) there which were the golden age
Now its just autism, fanservice and schoolgirls
>>1703Word, also check this short, it was made in the 80s by the guy who schooled redline's creator
You can tell the style its very similar, though way darker, like much of the anime from that time
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No.3731
I've barely seen the anime starter pack, but I'd like more facemelters like Belladonna of Sadness.
Stuff like 5 Centimeters Per Second seems like it's geared toward tweens…at least that's the impression I got from watching a few minutes.
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No.3732
>>3731>it's geared toward tweensIn a way I guess that's true but honesty what happened in that film can apply to any age. It's just struggles of love in general. Hits more for those who experienced something like that.
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No.3733
>>3732I could be wrong, that's just what the beginning felt like
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No.3734
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>>all these EVA reqs>>>/m/ is over there you faggots, we're talking about real movies not navel-gazing brown bunny tier bullshit.
>>1669Anyway, this guy has it right. Anime has piss-poor plotting/pacing because the japanese studios are skill-focused. US directors come up from running the camera or editing the films. Japanese directors tend to move up from being sound/music/stage design etc. Their studios and fans respond better to
technical mastery.
Also I think Miyazaki got stuck in a rut after Laputa and Nausicaa, everything since then has been one of those repainted for the next generation. Still pretty as fuck to look at, but they seem a tad 'emptier' than what he started his career with
(also why mangas always seem like the best source/adaption material. Japanese are shite at pacing and filler, but you don't need to explain between-panel events)
>>1688It's the Mouse's connections yo. Even before they signed an official deal, people always called Miyazaki "The Eastern Disney"
This pre-sets your mindset a bit, making you more able to consume it uncritically.
anyway 95% of the time, you can be sure of one of two things. Anime movies are either excessively drawn out with a few mindblowing crafted parts (Patlabor movie is a good example, with lengthy directionless dialogues that are Japan's cure for insomnia, including one Dada-tier 10 minute conversation in a car where nobody moves anything but their mouths.) or they botch the ending with some crazy fast sudden resolution, either deus ex machina (Miyazaki does this a bunch, Akira as well) or crazy action stunts, usually performed by a hero who just 'leveled up' and figured out SSJ5. (Locke the Superman, Genocyber, Wicked City, Darkside Blues, their endings are all really sudden)
I notice that a lot of things that start off great do the 'random descent into gore in the last ten minutes.'
This is probably some weird cultural thing I'm not aware of. It feels like they read too much Hamlet and think killing off everyone is the best way to cap it off.
Hell, sometimes it actually surprises you. You're getting into that shit, and then it ends. And you see there staring at the credits like "What? That was it? But what about/what happened to…"
And then you look around and find either the manga ended even weirder, or that really
is as much as they've ever done with the work.
I can understand how weebs are born from that, actually, because their art/genre-embracing films leave you feeling like you just ate a big plate of chinese food. "What the fuck? Where's the payoff? That's the end? I FEEL CHEATED!"
So the weebs gravitate to things that never end, or shows that rely on boorish WAFF to make the audience feel better about being cheated.
I rate essentially all anime as 'guilty pleasure' for that reason, because there are always some critical flaws that would never be allowed to pass in the west, or it's just an exceptional above-par hero worship story (Giant Robo). If you watch some old samurai movies or read some old literature, it's crazy how much of it is descended from the story path choices those first created. I'm sure someone out there has made a list,
When they try to be artsy in a more western direction though (the so-called 'mindfuck animes') they tend to be spectacular failures, though entertaining to watch implode.
>>2160 Never seen it, but it only makes sense as it isn't constrained by a time limit.
>>3663Gonna go with everyone else and say Innocence is much better.
Original GitS to me always felt more like a 'tech demo,' both in setting and in animation. It was kinda like the difference between Doom and Strife, with Strife being the finished product.
>>it's distinctively Japanese, and if your idiosyncracies generally pull you away from that, then it's probably not for you.Yeah, also this. There's an inherent oddness to us feeble gaijin about how they go about viewing spirituality.
I mean they get up to some
weird shit. It's after all, a culture which believes unused/unloved household items will eventually become angry and possessed and attack you. (which is pretty amusing considering how materialistic they've been in recent generations)
anyway I've never really been entrenched in or against any genre so I wouldn't have a clue as to what's a 'decent starter.'
If you don't mind a whole bunch of shorts you can always go with Robot Carnival.
Which by the way has one of the most ridiculous openings ever.
If you don't mind a complete misunderstanding of period science and feel like a 'middle-brow popcorn kids movie' there's always Steamboy, as well. It doesn't rely on Deus, and I felt the pacing was perfect. Now if only I could get that in a movie meant for grownups.
(People rec'd me Metropolis, but I say Metropolis is junk, it relies on everyone except Rock being retarded for the plot to function. According to wikipedo it's two separate works stitched together, that's probably why.)
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No.3739
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No.3740
>>3739Wow, that's great. I've never heard of Cinelicious before.
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No.3795
>>3734>It was kinda like the difference between Doom and Strife, with Strife being the finished product.You have an aggressively bad taste if you think Strife is better than the best FPS in history.
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No.3807
>>3734Ironic that you chose Robot Carnival and not Memories…
RC was pretty much the definition of 'demo reel', the stories are very simplistic and the pacing its pretty bad with some like "stop order" having no clear end.
Memories while also being a showcase of the anime industry's abilities at the time had actual stories with sublime execution. Magnetic Rose alone could have been the biggest anime movie of the 90s had it been done feature-length instead. Stink bomb was also great and personally the best comedy anime out there. Cannon fodder managed to be 'artsy' without falling into the 2deep4u trap of other works while still retaining a strong Orwellian antiwar message.
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No.3831
Glad to see this thread, I just watched Perfect Blue and loved it.
It was extremely tense and suspenseful with a crushing, claustrophobic atmosphere.
It was very David Lynch in all the best ways, I'd highly recommend it. Especially for those who don't usually watch anime and just want a good pyshlogca
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No.3850
More films, please, I'm personally not interested in shows.
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No.3871
>>3850You're greatly limiting yourself by doing this. There just aren't very many anime movies in general not to mention the actual good ones. There's maybe 10 at the absolute most.
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No.3872
>>3850Go watch Serial Experiments Lain and come back and say that.
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No.3874
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"demo reel" reminded me of the trailer for Mind Game (2004)
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No.3881
>>1208https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz49vQwSoTE This is a good video on the subject, it goes to show that they do have potential to be on par with live action films, Though I've never seen this guys work
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No.3895
>>3850Some of the more interesting movies require you to watch the original series to fully enjoy them, like Macross: Do you remember love?, Ideon: Be Invoked and the Haruhi movie. Or sometimes the movie is followed by the series like in LoGH.
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No.3914
Royal Space Force: Wings of Hollandaise is pretty cool. Still has the conventions and some cliches, but stronger dialogue (or absence thereof) than I expect from anime features. The much-discussed sequence leading to a rape attempt work more subtly than most equivalent parts of movies from this category. It's an uneven product still, also subscribing to a checklist of must-haves like other '80s OVAs and films (gotta have the assassination/chase solo three-fourths of the way in)…equally as good as Porco at capturing the wonder of aerospace. Really good production values and originality in art direction, though Akira beats it out in animation quality.
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No.3927
Best anime film coming through.
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No.4487
>>3734
>Genocyber
Still the worst fucking anime I've ever watched in my life.
6 episodes of "I'm sure the next one isn't going to be so fucking retarded".
Excuse me for necroing a dead ass thread.
Call the police nigga, I don't give a fuck.
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No.4488
>>4487
don't be sorry, bumping old topics is great as long as you have something to contribute
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No.4489
>>4488
>contribute
Well I guess I didn't do much by expressing my hatred of Genocyber, sorry Britain father senpai.
>>3725
>OEDO 808
>Ninja Scroll
both easily in my top 10 animus I've seen. Fanfuckingtastic things.
Anyone have recommendations for films/series similar to them? Or anything from the 80s/90s like this big dick nigga said.
Or any other MADHOUSE animus that are good, I have trouble remembering studios.
M.D. Geist isn't bad, but far from great. It kinda reminds me of my yungblood days (which weren't as bloody, gory, or "tit"tilating ;) ), the cheese factor was somewhat enjoyable.
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No.4600
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>>3850
Go watch FLCL or something, it's pretty artsy, only around six episodes long and the entire thing is up on Youtube.
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No.4608
>>3703
this, absolutely the best anime films I have ever had the pleasure of watching. nothing out there like it that I could ever find
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No.4611
>>4608
Texhnolyze is on it's level patrician wise but it's not as art-housey and ambiguous as it. In fact, it's nothing like it other than being patrish.
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No.4612
this was an interesting perspective
worth the read to have a better appreciation for it
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No.4637
>>4600
>Anon specifically asks for a recommendation for a movie, not a show
>You immediately tell him to watch six episodes of a show on YouTube
This is the problem with otaku weeaboo fuckfaces. They are completely incapable of actual discussion and language comprehension; they are only interested in hearing themselves speak and celebrating their solipsistic worldview. Fuck off
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No.4643
>>4637
>incapable of actual discussion and language comprehension
>only interested in hearing themselves speak and celebrating their solipsistic worldview
Holy shit what.
How do you make such a leap in logic so as to be so convinced in that? Furthermore, why are you so pissed over something so trivial?
Look, the guy probably recommended it because 1. it may fit what the anon is wanting, 2. yes, he specifically asked for movie not shows but there's really no difference aside from quality/budget but from what I remember that's not the case with FLCL, 3. FLCL being 6 eps, 25~ mins each makes it about the same length as movie roughly - instead of a typical anime show which ranges from 4.5 to 9 hours.
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No.4644
>>4637
>>4643
ALSO, the fact that there are so few anime movies and even less worth watching. In this thread, we've basically covered most if not all of them. Specifically wanting movies is limiting oneself to what the medium has to offer. And while the other 90% of the medium - anime SHOWS - doesn't have a lot of what some anons are looking for in comparison to the rest which many classify as "moeshit" and other labels, there are quite a few worth watching and it's certainly better than nothing else to watch after you've seen all the movies.
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No.4668
I stumbled into this list recently.
http://imgur.com/gallery/eKuGn
I watched both Tekkon Kinkreet and Dead Leaves.
I thought the list was somewhat trustworthy considering it has Paprika on it which is the only anime film I've ever enjoyed. And according to this thread it does has some gems on it.
After watching both I felt tricked.
Dead Leaves was especially bad, the animation was absolute shit. I actually thought about just calling it bad, but really it is absolute shit. I have to admit that it had some funny moments but ultimatley it left me dissapointed.
at least dead leaves was short, tekkon kinkreet was so long and the whole story was so far fetched that all in all it made for a very exhausting watch, looked much better than dead leaves though.
I think I don't understand anime. >>1669 this guy hit the nail on the head basically.
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No.4684
>>4668
Tekkon Kinkreet has to be one of the most beautiful animated movies I ever watched. Criminally overlooked.
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No.4685
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No.4827
All the people who mention Perfect Blue in this thread are right.
It is the most compelling anime movie I've ever seen. Extremely tense and claustrophobic atmosphere, unusual narrative devices used perfectly, an interesting treatment of the sexualization of female stars that even applies here on the western world as well, very Lynchian even though this came years before Mulholland Drive.
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No.4828
I've got these three on my watchlist. Maybe they haven't been mentioned yet.
I don't know if The Sensualist is even on DVD but it looks unique enough to watch. Gulliver's Travels was one of Miyazaki's first jobs (in a minor role) and I'm hoping it's better than just a kids movie. The last is an early anime collection from prewar and into postwar Japan (1928-1950).
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No.4840
>>4828
The Sensualist is hentai isn't it?
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No.4844
>>4840
Yes, it's a sex movie (to some degree) but I like the screenshots I've seen.
All it takes is a few appealing screenshots to get me to watch something.
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No.4845
>>4844
Wow, this looks great! Artistic stuff.
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No.4866
>>3807
>Memories
cannon fodder, also known as snooze fodder, funny considering the end.
still good but the other two were better, magnetic rose being the best
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No.4873
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No.4898
>>4845
>>3807
>>4600
When you use "artsy" as a sincere critical description or interpretation, you're only confirming >>1213
I can't think of a more shallow or destructive way to approach anything. In any other medium besides maybe comics and videogames, the only people you get ever actually using that term a sincere criticism are middled age squares who only showed up because its their kid or whatever that's showing and the only reaction they can identify is being open to their feeling of being uncomfortable, confused and out of their element.
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No.5117
>>1787
Just watched PB and I wondered how the two compared. It's encouraging that MA is at least close to the same quality if not better.
Anyway, Perfect Blue made me think of the actress Rebecca Schaeffer.
I still think anime isn't reaching the full potential of the medium. Maybe there's no money in making extremely bizarre cartoons, even in Japan.
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No.5289
>>4828
Here's a good review of The Sensualist. While it's no masterpiece, the style is as close to Belladonna of Sadness as anything I've seen – blending intricate drawings with abstract animation sequences. Eiichi Yamamoto was not the director but he wrote the screenplay.
http://www.pelleas.net/aniTOP/index.php/the_sensualist
Has anyone seen Yamamoto's other projects? I know Sen'ya ichiya monogatari (1969) is available but I haven't found English subtitles for it.
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No.6012
Kept seeing this in recommendation charts and finally tried it, turned out to be a nice little OVA on the passage of time. Unless you're really bothered by a couple illustrations with perspective issues I'd definitely recommend it.
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No.6029
>>3724
This problem can be solved with simple use of proper terminology. A medium is the means to not the idea. Anime is a subgenre of animation, which is a genre of motion pictures.
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No.14028
>>4612
>that picture that really doesn't unearth anything already known about the film
Pitifully pretentious, the pacing and style of it made it seem much more mature and intelligent than it actually was especially with the contrast that the manga and show don't take itself so seriously. I also thought the director made Jin-Roh too.
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No.14029
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No.14611
Does anyone have the /x/ anime chart.
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No.14614
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No.14627
>>14611
>>14614
I don't have it but honestly you're not missing out on much it's probably all just Belladonna of Sadness, Hiroshi Harada's works,Perfect Blue, Serial Experiments Lain, Paranoia Agent (from my memory of the chart this one was definitely there), maybe Saki Sanobashi thrown in as a meme, Angel's Egg, the usual.
Frankly /x/ tier anime are pretty much easy to assume and vaguely recall.
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No.14635
>>14627
Pretty close.
Since we're talking charts, here's one of the better ones I've found. It's a good mix of more and less mainstream stuff and I'm mostly posting it as an excuse to recommend Night on the Galactic Railroad.
>>14627
He wrote Jin-Roh but was too busy with GitS to direct it.
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No.14731
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No.14736
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>>1208
There's a plethora of short films worth a watch. One I can think off the top of my head are Cat Soup and Cencoroll. You'll find something good if you look for it, either or, you don't waste too much time anyways. Many of anime's quirks can be the most endearing condensed. And in its condensed form, you'll find somethings underground and untouched from modern trappings. Trappings that aren't necessarily bad if you like their novelty.
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No.14741
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>>14736
Good taste, here's a documentary on the creator. That movie wasn't made by her by the way, she only made the shorts and manga AFAIK.
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No.14750
>>14736
>Many of anime's quirks can be the most endearing condensed
Interesting idea, and it kind of makes sense. The trailers often seem so much better than the features turn out to be.
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