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What does /film/ think of anime film?
Personal I never cared for a lot of them, found some studio ghibli films charming but have never come across something I would recommend to a friend.
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No.3733
>>3732I could be wrong, that's just what the beginning felt like
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No.3734
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>>all these EVA reqs>>>/m/ is over there you faggots, we're talking about real movies not navel-gazing brown bunny tier bullshit.
>>1669Anyway, this guy has it right. Anime has piss-poor plotting/pacing because the japanese studios are skill-focused. US directors come up from running the camera or editing the films. Japanese directors tend to move up from being sound/music/stage design etc. Their studios and fans respond better to
technical mastery.
Also I think Miyazaki got stuck in a rut after Laputa and Nausicaa, everything since then has been one of those repainted for the next generation. Still pretty as fuck to look at, but they seem a tad 'emptier' than what he started his career with
(also why mangas always seem like the best source/adaption material. Japanese are shite at pacing and filler, but you don't need to explain between-panel events)
>>1688It's the Mouse's connections yo. Even before they signed an official deal, people always called Miyazaki "The Eastern Disney"
This pre-sets your mindset a bit, making you more able to consume it uncritically.
anyway 95% of the time, you can be sure of one of two things. Anime movies are either excessively drawn out with a few mindblowing crafted parts (Patlabor movie is a good example, with lengthy directionless dialogues that are Japan's cure for insomnia, including one Dada-tier 10 minute conversation in a car where nobody moves anything but their mouths.) or they botch the ending with some crazy fast sudden resolution, either deus ex machina (Miyazaki does this a bunch, Akira as well) or crazy action stunts, usually performed by a hero who just 'leveled up' and figured out SSJ5. (Locke the Superman, Genocyber, Wicked City, Darkside Blues, their endings are all really sudden)
I notice that a lot of things that start off great do the 'random descent into gore in the last ten minutes.'
This is probably some weird cultural thing I'm not aware of. It feels like they read too much Hamlet and think killing off everyone is the best way to cap it off.
Hell, sometimes it actually surprises you. You're getting into that shit, and then it ends. And you see there staring at the credits like "What? That was it? But what about/what happened to…"
And then you look around and find either the manga ended even weirder, or that really
is as much as they've ever done with the work.
I can understand how weebs are born from that, actually, because their art/genre-embracing films leave you feeling like you just ate a big plate of chinese food. "What the fuck? Where's the payoff? That's the end? I FEEL CHEATED!"
So the weebs gravitate to things that never end, or shows that rely on boorish WAFF to make the audience feel better about being cheated.
I rate essentially all anime as 'guilty pleasure' for that reason, because there are always some critical flaws that would never be allowed to pass in the west, or it's just an exceptional above-par hero worship story (Giant Robo). If you watch some old samurai movies or read some old literature, it's crazy how much of it is descended from the story path choices those first created. I'm sure someone out there has made a list,
When they try to be artsy in a more western direction though (the so-called 'mindfuck animes') they tend to be spectacular failures, though entertaining to watch implode.
>>2160 Never seen it, but it only makes sense as it isn't constrained by a time limit.
>>3663Gonna go with everyone else and say Innocence is much better.
Original GitS to me always felt more like a 'tech demo,' both in setting and in animation. It was kinda like the difference between Doom and Strife, with Strife being the finished product.
>>it's distinctively Japanese, and if your idiosyncracies generally pull you away from that, then it's probably not for you.Yeah, also this. There's an inherent oddness to us feeble gaijin about how they go about viewing spirituality.
I mean they get up to some
weird shit. It's after all, a culture which believes unused/unloved household items will eventually become angry and possessed and attack you. (which is pretty amusing considering how materialistic they've been in recent generations)
anyway I've never really been entrenched in or against any genre so I wouldn't have a clue as to what's a 'decent starter.'
If you don't mind a whole bunch of shorts you can always go with Robot Carnival.
Which by the way has one of the most ridiculous openings ever.
If you don't mind a complete misunderstanding of period science and feel like a 'middle-brow popcorn kids movie' there's always Steamboy, as well. It doesn't rely on Deus, and I felt the pacing was perfect. Now if only I could get that in a movie meant for grownups.
(People rec'd me Metropolis, but I say Metropolis is junk, it relies on everyone except Rock being retarded for the plot to function. According to wikipedo it's two separate works stitched together, that's probably why.)
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No.3739
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No.3740
>>3739Wow, that's great. I've never heard of Cinelicious before.
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No.3795
>>3734>It was kinda like the difference between Doom and Strife, with Strife being the finished product.You have an aggressively bad taste if you think Strife is better than the best FPS in history.
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No.3807
>>3734Ironic that you chose Robot Carnival and not Memories…
RC was pretty much the definition of 'demo reel', the stories are very simplistic and the pacing its pretty bad with some like "stop order" having no clear end.
Memories while also being a showcase of the anime industry's abilities at the time had actual stories with sublime execution. Magnetic Rose alone could have been the biggest anime movie of the 90s had it been done feature-length instead. Stink bomb was also great and personally the best comedy anime out there. Cannon fodder managed to be 'artsy' without falling into the 2deep4u trap of other works while still retaining a strong Orwellian antiwar message.
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No.3831
Glad to see this thread, I just watched Perfect Blue and loved it.
It was extremely tense and suspenseful with a crushing, claustrophobic atmosphere.
It was very David Lynch in all the best ways, I'd highly recommend it. Especially for those who don't usually watch anime and just want a good pyshlogca
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No.3850
More films, please, I'm personally not interested in shows.
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No.3871
>>3850You're greatly limiting yourself by doing this. There just aren't very many anime movies in general not to mention the actual good ones. There's maybe 10 at the absolute most.
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No.3872
>>3850Go watch Serial Experiments Lain and come back and say that.
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No.3874
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"demo reel" reminded me of the trailer for Mind Game (2004)
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No.3881
>>1208https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz49vQwSoTE This is a good video on the subject, it goes to show that they do have potential to be on par with live action films, Though I've never seen this guys work
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No.3895
>>3850Some of the more interesting movies require you to watch the original series to fully enjoy them, like Macross: Do you remember love?, Ideon: Be Invoked and the Haruhi movie. Or sometimes the movie is followed by the series like in LoGH.
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No.3914
Royal Space Force: Wings of Hollandaise is pretty cool. Still has the conventions and some cliches, but stronger dialogue (or absence thereof) than I expect from anime features. The much-discussed sequence leading to a rape attempt work more subtly than most equivalent parts of movies from this category. It's an uneven product still, also subscribing to a checklist of must-haves like other '80s OVAs and films (gotta have the assassination/chase solo three-fourths of the way in)…equally as good as Porco at capturing the wonder of aerospace. Really good production values and originality in art direction, though Akira beats it out in animation quality.
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No.3927
Best anime film coming through.
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No.4487
>>3734
>Genocyber
Still the worst fucking anime I've ever watched in my life.
6 episodes of "I'm sure the next one isn't going to be so fucking retarded".
Excuse me for necroing a dead ass thread.
Call the police nigga, I don't give a fuck.
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No.4488
>>4487
don't be sorry, bumping old topics is great as long as you have something to contribute
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No.4489
>>4488
>contribute
Well I guess I didn't do much by expressing my hatred of Genocyber, sorry Britain father senpai.
>>3725
>OEDO 808
>Ninja Scroll
both easily in my top 10 animus I've seen. Fanfuckingtastic things.
Anyone have recommendations for films/series similar to them? Or anything from the 80s/90s like this big dick nigga said.
Or any other MADHOUSE animus that are good, I have trouble remembering studios.
M.D. Geist isn't bad, but far from great. It kinda reminds me of my yungblood days (which weren't as bloody, gory, or "tit"tilating ;) ), the cheese factor was somewhat enjoyable.
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No.4600
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>>3850
Go watch FLCL or something, it's pretty artsy, only around six episodes long and the entire thing is up on Youtube.
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No.4608
>>3703
this, absolutely the best anime films I have ever had the pleasure of watching. nothing out there like it that I could ever find
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No.4611
>>4608
Texhnolyze is on it's level patrician wise but it's not as art-housey and ambiguous as it. In fact, it's nothing like it other than being patrish.
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No.4612
this was an interesting perspective
worth the read to have a better appreciation for it
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No.4637
>>4600
>Anon specifically asks for a recommendation for a movie, not a show
>You immediately tell him to watch six episodes of a show on YouTube
This is the problem with otaku weeaboo fuckfaces. They are completely incapable of actual discussion and language comprehension; they are only interested in hearing themselves speak and celebrating their solipsistic worldview. Fuck off
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No.4643
>>4637
>incapable of actual discussion and language comprehension
>only interested in hearing themselves speak and celebrating their solipsistic worldview
Holy shit what.
How do you make such a leap in logic so as to be so convinced in that? Furthermore, why are you so pissed over something so trivial?
Look, the guy probably recommended it because 1. it may fit what the anon is wanting, 2. yes, he specifically asked for movie not shows but there's really no difference aside from quality/budget but from what I remember that's not the case with FLCL, 3. FLCL being 6 eps, 25~ mins each makes it about the same length as movie roughly - instead of a typical anime show which ranges from 4.5 to 9 hours.
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No.4644
>>4637
>>4643
ALSO, the fact that there are so few anime movies and even less worth watching. In this thread, we've basically covered most if not all of them. Specifically wanting movies is limiting oneself to what the medium has to offer. And while the other 90% of the medium - anime SHOWS - doesn't have a lot of what some anons are looking for in comparison to the rest which many classify as "moeshit" and other labels, there are quite a few worth watching and it's certainly better than nothing else to watch after you've seen all the movies.
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No.4668
I stumbled into this list recently.
http://imgur.com/gallery/eKuGn
I watched both Tekkon Kinkreet and Dead Leaves.
I thought the list was somewhat trustworthy considering it has Paprika on it which is the only anime film I've ever enjoyed. And according to this thread it does has some gems on it.
After watching both I felt tricked.
Dead Leaves was especially bad, the animation was absolute shit. I actually thought about just calling it bad, but really it is absolute shit. I have to admit that it had some funny moments but ultimatley it left me dissapointed.
at least dead leaves was short, tekkon kinkreet was so long and the whole story was so far fetched that all in all it made for a very exhausting watch, looked much better than dead leaves though.
I think I don't understand anime. >>1669 this guy hit the nail on the head basically.
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No.4684
>>4668
Tekkon Kinkreet has to be one of the most beautiful animated movies I ever watched. Criminally overlooked.
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No.4685
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No.4827
All the people who mention Perfect Blue in this thread are right.
It is the most compelling anime movie I've ever seen. Extremely tense and claustrophobic atmosphere, unusual narrative devices used perfectly, an interesting treatment of the sexualization of female stars that even applies here on the western world as well, very Lynchian even though this came years before Mulholland Drive.
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No.4828
I've got these three on my watchlist. Maybe they haven't been mentioned yet.
I don't know if The Sensualist is even on DVD but it looks unique enough to watch. Gulliver's Travels was one of Miyazaki's first jobs (in a minor role) and I'm hoping it's better than just a kids movie. The last is an early anime collection from prewar and into postwar Japan (1928-1950).
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No.4840
>>4828
The Sensualist is hentai isn't it?
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No.4844
>>4840
Yes, it's a sex movie (to some degree) but I like the screenshots I've seen.
All it takes is a few appealing screenshots to get me to watch something.
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No.4845
>>4844
Wow, this looks great! Artistic stuff.
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No.4866
>>3807
>Memories
cannon fodder, also known as snooze fodder, funny considering the end.
still good but the other two were better, magnetic rose being the best
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No.4873
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No.4898
>>4845
>>3807
>>4600
When you use "artsy" as a sincere critical description or interpretation, you're only confirming >>1213
I can't think of a more shallow or destructive way to approach anything. In any other medium besides maybe comics and videogames, the only people you get ever actually using that term a sincere criticism are middled age squares who only showed up because its their kid or whatever that's showing and the only reaction they can identify is being open to their feeling of being uncomfortable, confused and out of their element.
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No.5117
>>1787
Just watched PB and I wondered how the two compared. It's encouraging that MA is at least close to the same quality if not better.
Anyway, Perfect Blue made me think of the actress Rebecca Schaeffer.
I still think anime isn't reaching the full potential of the medium. Maybe there's no money in making extremely bizarre cartoons, even in Japan.
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No.5289
>>4828
Here's a good review of The Sensualist. While it's no masterpiece, the style is as close to Belladonna of Sadness as anything I've seen – blending intricate drawings with abstract animation sequences. Eiichi Yamamoto was not the director but he wrote the screenplay.
http://www.pelleas.net/aniTOP/index.php/the_sensualist
Has anyone seen Yamamoto's other projects? I know Sen'ya ichiya monogatari (1969) is available but I haven't found English subtitles for it.
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No.6012
Kept seeing this in recommendation charts and finally tried it, turned out to be a nice little OVA on the passage of time. Unless you're really bothered by a couple illustrations with perspective issues I'd definitely recommend it.
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No.6029
>>3724
This problem can be solved with simple use of proper terminology. A medium is the means to not the idea. Anime is a subgenre of animation, which is a genre of motion pictures.
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No.14028
>>4612
>that picture that really doesn't unearth anything already known about the film
Pitifully pretentious, the pacing and style of it made it seem much more mature and intelligent than it actually was especially with the contrast that the manga and show don't take itself so seriously. I also thought the director made Jin-Roh too.
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No.14029
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No.14611
Does anyone have the /x/ anime chart.
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No.14614
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No.14627
>>14611
>>14614
I don't have it but honestly you're not missing out on much it's probably all just Belladonna of Sadness, Hiroshi Harada's works,Perfect Blue, Serial Experiments Lain, Paranoia Agent (from my memory of the chart this one was definitely there), maybe Saki Sanobashi thrown in as a meme, Angel's Egg, the usual.
Frankly /x/ tier anime are pretty much easy to assume and vaguely recall.
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No.14635
>>14627
Pretty close.
Since we're talking charts, here's one of the better ones I've found. It's a good mix of more and less mainstream stuff and I'm mostly posting it as an excuse to recommend Night on the Galactic Railroad.
>>14627
He wrote Jin-Roh but was too busy with GitS to direct it.
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No.14731
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No.14736
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>>1208
There's a plethora of short films worth a watch. One I can think off the top of my head are Cat Soup and Cencoroll. You'll find something good if you look for it, either or, you don't waste too much time anyways. Many of anime's quirks can be the most endearing condensed. And in its condensed form, you'll find somethings underground and untouched from modern trappings. Trappings that aren't necessarily bad if you like their novelty.
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No.14741
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>>14736
Good taste, here's a documentary on the creator. That movie wasn't made by her by the way, she only made the shorts and manga AFAIK.
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No.14750
>>14736
>Many of anime's quirks can be the most endearing condensed
Interesting idea, and it kind of makes sense. The trailers often seem so much better than the features turn out to be.
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