/cyber/ - Cyberpunk & Science Fiction

move to lainchan

>>51232

Fuck lainchan, it's ran by commies and a retard who can't even into configuring a imageboard properly.

This board doesn't need more traffic. It's perfect like that.

larping so much scares people away

I feel guilty for not posting in general

Lurked since 2015, we are on the fringe. Let it happen.

>>51240

larpers made me frequent tech more than cyber

Lurker here, boards still alive, no need to be worried

>>51238

>>51242

this mentality is toxic

there's no such thing as a subculture, let alone a societally-meaningful subculture that consists of 12 people and the occasional fed

in order for /cyber/ to create large-scale societal change as a subculture, it needs to have activity and growth

>>51246

>in order for /cyber/ to create large-scale societal change as a subculture,

I can't speak for everyone but i seriously doubt "creating large scale societal change" is the goal of this board

besides causefaggotry is the highest form of cancer in existence

>>51255

I don't even think it's remotely possible for there to be a 'Cyberpunk' subculture. What would it look like? A bunch of larpers?

There are cyberpunk influenced subcultures, like grinders, hackers, cypher-punks, makers, etc … but they aren't Cyberpunks.

I wish this board would just admit that this is all fiction and stick with making cool fiction, rather than pretending to be some stunted, retarded, fucking movement.

What's this 'movement' supposed to be? Hacker-lite? A bunch of 12yr olds jerking off to lollis? Who the fuck would want to be a part of that anyway?

>>51231

PPD has always been low, ever since a few months after the second exodus. I've been here from the start, I'm not terribly worried.

>>51246

nigger the op is wondering why this board is slow not how to change the world, one thing at a time

>>51231

Well, you're all a bunch of toxic cunts, so maybe pump the brakes on that? I honestly think there's a few anti-semites, maybe even only 1, who just comes in once a week to scream about jews, and that the earth is flat and whatever other psychotic bullshit comes to mind, so sabotage the board. Every single thread is trolled to the point that no one can say anything, everything everyone does is shit on, and anything you talk about trying you get shit on for bad op-sec. Using a computer, at all, ever, is bad op-sec.

I just lurk now, because the level of conversation here is really fucking awful. It reads like 10 incredibly lonely, out of touch, assholes who have no IRL friends to talk to, but can't figure out why.

I used to hope this board would re-grow into a decent place to find new Cyber-related stuff, but now I just check in and think 'Why the fuck hasn't this board been deleted yet?'. I honestly think we're just waiting for the next time the board really needs maintenance for the people who run it to conclude it's not worth the trouble.

>>51279

> bunch of toxic cunts

> muh antisemites upset me because I can't grow a pair and/or learn to hide posts

> everyone is an incredibly lonely, out of touch asshole, everyone but me

Back to >>>/leftypol/ you go.

>>51283

It's not that you can't get around it, or block it, but when it makes up 1/4th of the 'conversation' on the board, why the fuck would anyone come here?

Anything anyone says that's halfway intelligent gets immediately shit on, and then an argument erupts over someone blaming the jews, and the actual conversation never moves forward.

This board is a pile of ugly shit. That's why it's dying.

>>51285

Fuck off then, you cocksucking faggot. I sincerely wish you'd die in a more painful way than this board, as it became this way because of scum like you.

>>51286

You got a bunch of people crying 'Why is the site dying', I answer 'Maybe it's because you're a bunch of cunts?', and I get 'fuck off then, you cocksucking faggot' … yeah, that tracks.

I am fucking off. We're all fucking off. That's why this thread exists.

>>51290

r/cyberpunk might be more your speed

>>51295

This isn't about me, you fucking social retards. This is about the board, and why the board is dying.

Look at the fucking posts here: You've got people talking about AI like it's a religion, you've got people here literally talking about trying to lucid-dream into Tron world, you've got posts talking about learning karate to better survive in a Cyberpunk world.

Then you take that top-grade bullshit, you ice it crazy flat-earth rants, right-wing propaganda and complaining about Jews.

Everyone already left, except the edgy 14yr olds, and a few of us from way back who still check in every once in a while to see if it's gotten any better, only to realize every time we come here, that it's managed to get worse.

I honestly think you've got a few pathetic racists that can't post anywhere else, a few 13yr olds, and some people who used to post here, calling the board shit in every thread left running.

So fuck you and your 'go back to /r/Cyberpunk' bullshit. This place is shit. You fucking social retards have driven everyone worth talking to away.

>>51296

There are still some nice people around, unlike other places similar to this.

>you ice it crazy flat-earth rants

Not that much of a problem, leftists that view this board as a place for political propaganda are a lot worse both is shit they bring and numbers.

>right-wing propaganda

>>/leftypol/

>complaining about Jews

All 8ch is like that. Nobody except /pol/ really cares about it, most ignore

it or use in a broader sense.

>Everyone already left, except the edgy 14yr olds, and a few of us from way back who still check in every once in a while to see if it's gotten any better, only to realize every time we come here, that it's managed to get worse.

You are not improving this board, you know? Not a single bit.

>I honestly think you've got a few pathetic racists that can't post anywhere else

>>twitter, leftypol would not be degenerate enough for you.

>This place is shit. You fucking social retards have driven everyone worth talking to away.

Yet you are still here, how about you fuck off?

>>51246

>in order for /cyber/ to create large-scale societal change

what

>toxic

kill yourself

What does this board do that can't be done in other boards in more detail? That's the problem. If you want to talk tech, news, fashion, music, games, movies, books, whatever whatever, there are other places to do it.

more nigger posts

>>51279

anyone who says "toxic" or "problematic" needs to gtfo back to reddit tbh

>>51311

I think that comes down to the difference between psudonymity and anonymity. In the former, your username will inevitably get a reputation, often cultivated by the site, leading to cults of personality.

Anonymity means each individual post is assessed from the perspective that it may have been written by a 12yr old, or a bored PHD. You can't just look at who wrote it and decide if you agree or not before you've even read the content.

>>51311

What are you trying to say ?

>>51322

He was comparing imageboards to things like forums, social platforms and other places where users have some form of identification, even if only within that certain platform.

>>51322

/cyber/ board is too narrow in its subject, being an intersection of all those listed things.

Naturally, narrow subject leads to low amount of posters, and low amount of posters prevents network effect from kicking in.

/cyber/ board is also paradoxically too "diverse" in its subject, for the same reason. With already small userbase, only a small subset of it will be interested in particular cyber topics, destroying network effect even further.

>>51326

>low amount of posters prevents network effect

Not to mention the discord faggots killed the invite link so no one else could join after the first week or two

>>51318

Well said. And the ease of samefagging means you get mentally fortified against the idea that people agreeing with a post doesn't mean shit.

There was some study like ten years ago where they showed the biggest factor in predicting whether someone would like a piece of music wasn't the genre or beat, but whether they were told ahead of time the song was liked by others. Normies are susceptible to it, and considering how easy automated account creation/buying followers/buying bots is, its a tangible benefit that imageboards give, that it somewhat innoculates us against whats coming

>>51333

A good example was an article about plans to redevelop some land, from a park into housing. The article cited how many positive comments a different article on the topic got, implying it was a good idea because a majority of posters said so

Theres a narrative that Steampunk was killed off by in-fighting over what was "true" steampunk versus posers. Its the same thing thats killing /cyber/, people that like it get shit on for larping, and others try and make you feel inferior if you don't use Linux. And even if you use Linux, it has to be the distro that THEY approve of. Edginess isn't the problem. As much as I feel like a shazbot for saying it, its self-appointed gatekeepers that are the problem.

>>51335

Tis better to die in a purity spiral than get dilluted into fashion accessory.

>>51332

Who gives a fuck about discord beside you?

>>51344

I think the biggest change that made open source more practical than hacking propritary software is in the past there wasn't as much of a trust issue. Computers weren't connected to a network at all times, and what was Microsoft/IBM/Apple/Commodore/Atari/etc. going to do, risk their entire buisness by stealing your bank info? Now with online advertising, previously inconsequential user data becomes valuable, and companies now have something they can steal from you without risking their livelyhood.

Another thing, maybe it's just me, but it feels like early on hardware/software companies almost wanted you to hack their stuff, since if you could make their tech a little more flexable, maybe they might sell a few more units. Now they don't want that. You might make it compatable with software or hardware from companies they aren't partnerned with, or circumvent DRM.

>>51348

No, these corps were always massive control freaks (Microsoft, for example, required you to sign an NDA before even talking to one of their representatives), often to their own detrement.

They just didn't have means to excersize their control over customers yet.

>>51242

But don't you miss the way it was back then? I've come and gone. Call me a hypocrite or a moron, but I'd post more consistently if more people were here.

Then again, it's better to stay this way than become /r/cyberpunk.

>>51368

I think at one time the 'toxic' posts were novel, and they served to set image boards apart from 'other' places, like /r/Cyberpunk.

But social politics have taken over the world, and now I'm just so sick to death of talking about it, that it's not a /pol thing at all, I just don't want to hear the bitching and crying that inevitably comes up.

I'm tired of fighting about racism, and sexism, and fucking trans people, or whatever.

I don't see someone complain about kikes and think 'That's wrong! I need to educate them!'. I think 'Oh, fuck … here comes a white knight to argue with the troll, and there goes another fucking thread. Never mind what you were just talking about.

I don't even fucking care if you're actually racist, or you just think it's a clever subversion of the mono-culture. I'm just sick and tired of hearing people piss and moan about it.

So, roll your eyes all you like, it's definitely driving people away, and not because they're all left-leaning bleeding hearts. Smart people have learned to just turn the fuck around and walk out of the room once they smell a whiff of social political conversation.

If you want to talk about that shit, go to /pol, or EVERYWHERE ELSE ON THE INTERNET. Can't we have one place where we don't have to play the 'I'm a racist, and it's shocking!', 'Well, I'm king of white guilt, and now we must debate!' dynamic?

Produce content. It's that simple. Make interesting things, like cyberpunk devices or art, and people will come here.

art, larping and fashion is what's wrong with /cyber/

Sharing important/useful information is what makes /cyber/ great.

There is a limited amount of useful info and now the board can be read by lurkers.

The best activity is when there is development in what has already been established.

Development usually has a rate of 'slow and steady' and board activity reflects that.

Or I could be wrong who knows.

screw boards, we have the recent list.

>>51414

Cyberpvnk is inherently political, but there's a big difference between talking about the Jews occupying your side of Tel Aviv and da joos running da world!!!!!!111

If your political opinions are centered around "da joos" or "niggers" then you have absolutely nothing to add and you just ruin threads for everyone else.

>>51414

Holy shit you're annoying.

>>51417

it's a meme, not a dick, don't take it so hard etc etc

>>51419

smoke my pole aspie

>>51414

>cyberpunk principles

I am curious what you consider to be cyberpunk principles.

>>51414

>libertarian ideologies (upon which cyberpunk is heavily based) is heavily right-wing

>cyberpunk is an inherently political genre

These are some hot takes too, and I want futher elaboration upon them.

>>51424

i'm a little drunk rn so bear with me

almost all cyberpunk media features an opposition which has taken itself an unethical amount of power and exploited it for their own personal gain

to support concepts such as a large, powerful government requires you blind yourself to the reoccurring cyberpunk trope of "oh look, the big powerful guy is fucking everyone in the ass and no one can stop him"

of course, power is still able to be amassed and exploited within corporate context, but to support government is to essentially support the largest and most visible power out there

while many punk ideologies take root in concepts like socialism and communism, both of them require institutions and establishments of power that, with such unstoppable control of societal wealth, is almost begging for exploitation– and it's arguably one of the largest cyberpunk tropes that powerful individuals exploit the power they obtain

>>51421

most cyberpunk works generally tend to promote principles of liberty, transparency, privacy, equality, and arguably progression/advancement

maybe i'm missing a few, but a work that promotes authoritarian views generally does not get regarded as cyberpunk

>>51414

larpers are people who just want to look "cool" or join that "cool" chat room

All they care about is "cool" fashion or art or video games.

Out of laziness they haven't even learned to interact with a /cyber/ world.

If you're not going to use the resources given to you to learn you might as well join a bladerunner fan group on facebook.

There are too many larpers which 'scares' away the real people.

>>51435

… I think you just described normal fans. Like, the most normal of normal people, who understand Cyberpunk is a genre of fiction, and enjoy it as such.

Get your head out of your ass, you're not the 'real' people.

People just need to post more. For all we know there are only two guys here but they're making ten peoples' worth of posts.

>>51437

cyberpunk is "a genre of fiction" in the same way that dystopian is

that doesn't make you any less of a shazbot for consuming cyberpunk media without absorbing any of its ethos

There are only a small handful of things that fit this board.

-fiction

-fassion

-projects

-current events mirroring the fiction

There isn't a great deal of cyb fiction being produced and imo what is be produced lacks the depth that older entries into the genre had. It seems like the userbase here isn't that intrested in the fassion other than something nice to look at, and projects depend on people actually doing a thing. Not to mention what would have been very cyb in the 90s/00s is now just another adrino/pi project. Technology has been fairly demystified by it's availability and the availability of learning materials (not that that is a bad thing). Current events seems to be the hardest to discuss because it usually results in bi-partisan autistic screeching.

>>51455

What the fuck is a fassion

>>51457

They obviously mean fashion you pedantic brick.

>>51417

Here's the part I don't get, why the fuck do all Western countries blame the Jews? I understand they seem to have a larger than proportionate control of media/banking in the first world but are idiots such spastics they can't into the fact that global integration has been the fucking point of the majority of advancing civilizations ever? Also, am I retarded or do people not fucking realize the fucking fact that power corrupts government and leaders into abominations that should be overthrown theoretically Mr. FBI

>Not living in a cyberpunk society already

Whoever said that needs to go off themselves in a construction crane. In America it is simply hard to see the underlying traits. Just because we in American society do not

look the same bears no sense on it being the same. For fucks sake were not fucking >>/leftypol/ that argue over the methodology, we simply look for the damn conclusion.

Also if you think your worst nightmares in cyber aren't true just look at china. Fucking skynet is basically a CCTV system covering all major highways and cities. On the occasional bumfuck village in the mountains doesn't have one cause no electricity. I went to Xinjiang and you have to swipe your fucking ID to go use the restrooms. THE LOCALS KNIVES ARE FUCKING CHAINED AND GPS TAGGED TO THEIR HOUSES.

I'm American but spent five years of my life that political and economical hell called china

>>51231

literally just post more. Nobody else will post if the board hasn't changed for 3 months, so if you have anything to say just type something out and post.

>>51257

I don't think we're a 'movement', but I figure most of us here like to discuss using tech in interesting ways to subvert the status quo. FLOSS, decentralizatition, meshnets, all that.

>>51472

they are an easy scapegoat

>>51586

blame should be placed where its due. jews are responsible for usury, degeneracy especially pornography, the promotion of faggotry and open borders (but not for them of curse) and gun control (also not for them of course) consequently these are the major forces destroying western nations, which are the ones they attack with the whole "fellow white man" ruse. people who don't want to face that fact are either ignorant or malicious.

>>51594

As if there isn't millions of non-Jews that believe in just those things. Keep screaming "the Jews!" all you want but it doesn't matter if it's Ishmael or a fucking Quaker, nobody is going to listen if you don't attack just the ideas.

>>51607

actually everyone listens except White people. only Whites don't fight on racial lines, every other race does. and if you don't name a problem you can't solve it. JEWS

>>51472

for anyone counting, this guy dropped a total of 10 f-bombs

MOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDSSSS

>>51616

>2D is alright

Wasn't there something about not making images and statues and such? Third commandment, IIRC.

>>51626

>Wasn't there something about not making images and statues and such?

Yeah, you aren't allowed to worship them.

>>51627

>>51626

it's okay if you're not a waifufag

>>51631

It's always okay, because god is made up nonsense.

>>51607

and why do these people (mostly urbanites) believe that? jewish influence in media, government and the education system. no one, not even shitlibs, naturally think things like, "yeah we are privileged and racist, we better import the 3rd world, and desecrate all of our values because that's moral or something"

only an outsider group with media influence could cause this type of division within a nation, and they would only do it to destroy said nation. yeah it's the jews.

>>51616

transhumanism is also jewish.

cyber needs to be more butlerian jihad/cypher and less "oy vey lets fuck machines until we become one"

>>51637

So what is the end goal of the Jews then? Nobody seems to like them much beyond whites. Israel is surrounded by countries who would drown them in the Med given half a chance, and the other Muslims all hate them too. What sense does white genocide make when white countries are the ones who protect them and give them billions whether it be through aid or buying the security tech and training they practice on the Palestinians?

/pol/ types love to talk about how Jews call themselves white until it's time to talk shit about whites then suddenly they're Jews and nothing else. Doesn't getting rid of the white race basically mean they're burning down they forest they hide in?

>>51644

>>51653

There's more than one group of jews, and some have

greater pissrael as their main agenda and others the

turd temple which leads to moshiach which leads to end of age of the gentile.

zionist christians also want the turd temple built which is partly why merica gives them so much. Some jews don't even know any of this stuff and cry nhadzee when you even touch on the subject. I guess I wouldn't want to believe my own people are genocidal, racial supremacists when all I've learned was not to be a ebil nhadzee my whole life and taught "the jews are always the real victims". Any jews reading this, look into "Chabad-Lubavitch" as far as you can go. I personally don't believe a race of people is inherently evil and there are good jewish people out there who blow the whistle on this stuff and I can give examples but there are groups of people screwing with us on a big scale, because they believe a skydaddy said they're the best and everyone else is cattle.

>>51260

At the start we didn't have the same threads for years on the catalog…everything moved to the point we actually were once on the top 25 boards on this site (and that is when 8ch was much more active in general too).

>>51332

Should have joined banter.city like a proper /cyber/ian

>>51671

>Should have joined banter.city like a proper /cyber/ian

I thought reddit sjws inhabited it, or maybe they trolled me. Had to walk on eggshells, triggered some literal shazbot there.

>>51672

lol nearly everyone there came from 8ch, mostly from /tech/ or /cyber/. Must have caught someone who can't handle /pol/banter.

I'm a relatively new lurker to the board, a big reason why I don't post despite being a fan of all things /cyber/ is that it seems like most threads peaked in 2015-16. Any 2017+ post bar a couple threads seem to have devolved into months long screaming fits between a couple posters.

I think it's fine, don't want a bunch of soykaf-for-brains normies

>>53061

Too late, we got some anyway. M_Bishop made sure of that.

Post about new or old cyber culture and privacy news.

>>53166

And this is why many people don't post here anymore

/pol/ has hijacked this board and it's not really anything to do with /cyber/ anymore, just nazi bullshit with flashy neon lights

enjoy your board, you greasy incel faggots

>>53167

>I'm offended by certain sequences of letters on the screen.

If you can't handle this then you're right, you shouldn't be here. There are plenty of other cyberspaces without so called nazi bullshit with flashy neon lights. But this isn't the one of them, we like to post whatever we want without being immediately punished for not following social and moral norms.

>>51231

like others said, LARPing autissimos. Some threads are pretty cool like the one where anon made his own BBS. ( telnet retrosprawl@hopto.org port 2023, by the way) and some other threads.

but a lot of the time there are unironically anons advocatiing for chipping themselves, thinking browsing /cyber/ on their fucking iphone is "schway", talk about gay anime far too often when it's been talked to death. And sometimes you'll see the most cringworthy posts beyond imagination here.

you'd think that people who know abut technology would see how bad it is and hot the govt and corpos want to use it to control and forcefeed us while fucking us in the ass, but sometimes this board feels like a reddit/facebook anime roleplay group. there are literally idiots in threads up right now who are thinking that world government is good, and that a "cyberpunk" future is a good thing where we all lick corpo boots.

that's why I use /tech/ much more often even though here would be better suited to some topics.

>>53170

>you'd think that people who know abut technology would see how bad it is

he says, posting on an internet imageboard with his electronic phone.

>hot the govt and corpos want to use it to control and forcefeed us while fucking us in the ass

plenty of threads about that

>there are literally idiots in threads up right now who are thinking that world government is good

you're on 8chan. are you actually surprised that there are some fascists on the most hitler-loving site on the internet?

>>53176

> there are some fascists on the most hitler-loving site on the internet?

Not sure if you're just Gen-Z or you have no idea that imageboards never used to be this way. Even 5-10 years ago, imageboards were largely apolitical, although sometimes there would be "raids" on meatspace jackasses (e.g. Hal Turner) just "for the lulz" (but that phrase is largely dead now really).

Nowadays imageboards are largely the domain of incel manchildren frustrated about the world and so take the most contrarian abhorrent stances imaginable (e.g. literal nazism) to belong to something, even if it's with other rejects who they'll never meet

Most of the old guard have largely left due to this and only a few surviving on nostalgia still remain. Just like that thread about the oldnet, newcomers will never understand what imageboards were like before they were debauched beyond recognition. Of course /cyber/, as 8chan is quite a new place, but the population is generally the same. Nobody is serious about anything and it's all LARPing and manchild e-politics

>>53179

i think you're reading my post wrong. all i'm getting at is that you'd be silly to not expect the occasional unironic neo-nazi on an imageboard in 2018

>>53182

Alright, apologies then.

I suppose you can understand though how it might feel odd or even alienating to people who are still around since mid-2000s, growing up with the birth of English language imageboards, onlh now to experience literal neo-nazi basement dwellers talk about imageboards as if its "their" domain on almost any board you can find. Perhaps it is now and I'm just getting too old for this shit.

>>53183

yeah, i get it. i still can't exactly pinpoint when it went from ironic shitposting to genuine nazi stuff.

with that said, i'm curious as to what the answer is. voted systems are circlejerks, and anonymous systems become nazi-infested. what's the answer?

>>53184

>what's the answer?

I don't think there is any action you can take to stop it that wouldn't ruin the spirit of imageboards, unfortunately.

>>53183

Nazis always try and co-opt anything they can get their hands on. It's been that way since Hitler trying to make Nietzsche look like a Nazi, and hijacking Odinism, and the swastika, and the Roman salute. Also historical revisionism to try and lend legitimacy.

Neo-Nazis have done it with skinhead culture, imageboard culture, Pepe the frog, and now cyberpunk. They tried with Punk, until the Dead Kennedys told them fuck off.

I think we really need a concerted effort across cyber culture to expunge the goose steppers, they are exactly the mindset we are fighting against. It's too late for greater imageboard culture, but we can still cut our losses and keep what we have.

>>51344

>getting most obscure and proprietary system and then subverting it to do your own bidding

>>51348

>hacking proprietary software is in the past there wasn't as much of a trust issue

>>51349

>No, [they just] didn't have means to exercise their control over customers yet

There definitely is something about cyber that lends itself more to hacking proprietary code than working on open source stuff.

Maybe that's just because so much of open source is now inefficient and high-level? I don't know. Cyberpunk was never really about architecting a product, but inefficiency is always something to be scoffed at.

Things that fit the cyber ethos/aesthetic/whatever to me are programs like

radare

blender

tiling WM

plover (steno input)

coreboot

alternate /ibcs like musl

If you're hacking together something, it's excusable if your code is inefficient, but it should be better

Once you tell you're self, oh it's in Python, but it doesn't need to be better, you're no longer in the cyber/hacker mindset - sometimes you may be forced to write shit programs, it's okay ;; but once you start telling yourself that it's not shit - that's when you've failed

Look at something like X11, it's a fucked up mess of bailing wire - is it fine to use if nothing else is supported by your driver? yes

but if you tell others it's better than Wayland because it's "network transparent" than your obviously clueless and just suffering stolkholm syndrome - modern X hasn't been network transparent for a long time, all the rendering is now done by clients which makes it just a shitty version of VNC

(see linux.conf.au 2013 - The real story behind Wayland and X - Daniel Stone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQh_DmDLKQ

for an overview of what went wrong)

IDK where i was going with this;;

besides, proprietary stuff is everywhere ME/PSP, hard drive firmware, Embedded Controllers; so there's really no lack of proprietary stuff to hack - it's just that no one chooses to.

>>53208

Hell, why did I even bump this, this thread is crap and deserves to die anyway.

>>53207

>I think we really need a concerted effort across cyber culture to expunge the goose steppers, they are exactly the mindset we are fighting against. It's too late for greater imageboard culture, but we can still cut our losses and keep what we have.

It's too late, man. It's just not fun anymore. I rarely visit imageboards anymore because no matter where I post, without fail there'll always be some manchild shithead to come and ruin it by using parentheses around text and generally derail everything to evangelize their poisonous bootlicking garbage based entirely upon infographics and memes. As you know, cyberpunk is based around this rebellious spirit against tyranny/authoritarianism yet despite that we get these people coming in hijacking it to reconcile it with their big-daddy bootlicker shit.

It's just a different environment now and the only way to escape it is just to not use imageboards anymore. They're the domain of the kind of people who use terms like "red pill" or "cultural Marxism" unironically now. It's time to leave.

>>53215

Where do we go?

>>53216

Make a new chan 0 tolerance for fascism

>>53220

Who will determine what (((fascism))) is? We've already seen the term stretched to its loosest possible definition.

>>51671

any graph or something showing the evolution of the userbase of 8chan? as in sitewide pph for example? i remember 8chan used to average around 5k i just looked now and it's almost 1k, wonder whats the trend.

8chan has certainly lost a lot of users.

>>53220

Define fascism.

>>53220

That really won't work. Every time that's attempted, it just results in the other brand of authoritarians flooding the site and eventually compromising the moderation. Trying to appeal to those who get scared off when free speech is actually allowed is not a winning strategy unless you are targeting a very specific and emotionally fragile audience.

I for one, will take the occasional Wehrmarcht fetishist over overbearing and oppressive moderation.

>>53226

Chans as a whole seem to be losing their appeal. Everyone talks about how they're alt-right echo chambers, which scares a lot of people off. On top of that most modern internet users prefer the fast paced instant gratification of social media over slower mediums like forums and imageboards.

>>53231

>I'm a manchild neo-nazi LARPer

go kill yourself cunt

>>53235

On one hand, I suppose it's good that people that gullible are being scared away. On the other, it is pretty undesirable that many people are blissfully unaware and stuck in the news cycle as well as being subjected to social engineering by social media companies for profit. I just wish there was a way to take the normalfaggotry out of the normalfags.

>>53238

If you legitimately associate thise advocating for free apeech and human rights as larping neo-nazis and are so hopeless in engaging those who you perceive to be your political enemies- perhaps it's time to reflect on the decisions that led you, where your beliefs come from, and whether or not it is you that truly is the LARPer. Engage those outside your own political circles and socioeconomic group, don't make an embarrassment of yourself and your cause. It'll leave you better prepared to achieve your goals, perhaps even challenge them and give you some more perspective.

If /pol/ and /liberty/ can do it hell, even /v/ and /tech/, then surely /leftypol/ and /leftpol/ can as well. At least, that's the boards I assume you frequent- based on your vitriolic response to the suggestion that views opposing yours be allowed. If this isn't a genuine post from one of those boards, then perhaps I have been caught in a ruse by /pol/.

Remember, bootlicking isn't fun kids.

>>53239

>sophistry

>free speech argument

No, I don't believe in the abstraction of "free speech" at all. You cannot tolerate intolerance in a tolerant society. It's a paradox I know, but when people are advocating the removal of people's human rights, etc. they do not deserve free speech. They deserve to be put in mental facilities as dangers to others

/pol/'s free speech is all show. They speak happily about gassing gays, black-skinned people, homosexuals, so-called "sjws", among other things so don't start with this "/pol/ is for free speech" garbage. Hilarious that you speak about bootlicking yet show support for these boards which are the definition of bootlicking. They want nothing more than a daddy despot to make their life better for them because they're fat lazy swine probably still living with their parents and can't do anything for themselves.

Get fucked you little Eichmann cunt

>>53240

Advocating for the imprisonment of those who have expressed utterly abhorrent and contemptible views may seem like a good thing in your mind- but such measures should only be enacted once the individual in question has either comitted an act of violence, or sufficient evidence has been found to indicate that they fully intend to carry out the deed, and are physically able to do so. The fact that the utterly indefensible are allowed to speak their mind freely until they have either discredited themselves in the eyes of the public or have been identified as a legitimate physical threat is an essential cornerstone of any truly free society. For when they are unable to speak- the authoritarians are able to mark out every next box, move down the chain to the newest acceptable target to grind into the ashes.

I find your policy on the matter to be as probably dangerous of those you claim to oppose, hypocritical even, as being under the boot in the name of so called "tolerance by not tolerating the intolerant" is still being crushed under the boot of tyranny. A truly tolerant society must tolerate the intolerant as tolerance is not the endorsement many believe it to be, but rather the ability to coexist even both parties despise each other the fullest extent possible. In other words, defending to your very last breath the right of your most hated enemies to speak no matter how vociferously negative your opinions of their views might be. Whether or not they are willing to do the same for you, or the sincerity of that willingness if it is present, are relevant to the matter in any shape or form.

I hope you enjoy life to its fullest extent, despite your acrid tone, and are not caught up in the crosshairs of corrupt corporate and political interests.

Hi guys I love the idea of streaming 1s and 0s to communicate what's going on in this thr-

>>53240

>I don't believe in the abstraction of "free speech" at all

>You cannot tolerate intolerance in a tolerant society

>gays, black-skinned people, homosexuals

>so-called "sjws"

Wow, that's not even reddit-tier, that's something even deeper into normalniggery. Fuck off back to tumblr, you hysteric sissy shit.

>>53241

If people are forbidden from speaking, they'll assume that it can only be because those forbidding them from speaking have no arguments to disprove them. Everyone calls every viewpoint they disagree with contemptible and indefensible regardless of evidence. Sometimes those who the public thinks are discredited are actually correct and the public is wrong. But only some are actually forbidden from articulating those viewpoints publicly. Whichever view is the most heavily censored is the most likely to be true. Let's have an example of this now.

>>53240

I support lowering the age of consent to 14 because there is no evidence whatsoever of it being harmful for an adult to plow a teenager and the idea that two teens can sex each other but you can't do the same thing with someone older is pure doublethink. If I adopted your policy, I'd get to ban you from speaking your opinion like you've done to us for decades because SJWs of your ilk are invariably raging feminazis who got the age of consent raised because older women can't handle the competition from cute teenage girls, and if this ever got on a mainstream media outlet it would completely destroy you because men already hate feminism. Does that sound like fun to you? I'd get to go on the news and screech autistically about how you deserve to be censored because your views are toxic and problematic. But I'm not going to do that because I have actual evidence and reasoning to support my beliefs, meaning I don't have to censor people who disagree with me. Thanks for proving to the rest of the board that the cyberpunk community has a serious problem with SJWs, by the way.

>an argument about how most arguments on imageboards devolve into political shitflinging devolves into political shitflinging

like poetry

Trying to ban content you don't like goes against the very thing that makes imageboards appealing.

In my humble opinion the problem with /pol/tards isn't that they want to gas jews or whatever the fuck it is they advocate, but that they just can't fucking shut up about it.

This whole problem transcends political views, it's more about attitude.they are under the impression that all IBs are inherently alt-right or national socialist or whatever and they seem to think that everyone who disproves of their infographic dumping ,mindless buzzword shouting or even mildy disagrees with them must be an outsider offended by their oh-so-edgy views instead of their pure retardation(which is ironic since most /pol/tards are probably election newfags who also post on reddit)

You know how some obvious newfags make post on /b/ for some "le epic raid"?they do that because that's the impression of imageboards they got either from their reputation or some shitty e-celebs.first impressions matter and the same is also true for all the /pol/ newfags who seems to think right wing political activism is the core foundation of imageboard culture and then proceed to use them for that exact purpose further cementing this warped view and attraction more people to perpetuate this cycle.They have no respect for the actual culture off individual IBs or boards and only use them because they can say "nigger" or other bad words without getting banned.

I'd love to talk about how i have an awesome plan to make imageboards great again but i don't think it's physically possible.

Trying to reason with these people won't do shit

if they somehow leave IBs might just get flooded with actual SJWs who are, if you'll excuse my radical centrism,just as bad and sticking to alt-chans or other websites won't to shit since this polarized attitude can be found pretty much everywhere

This whole situation will probably only get worse with the 2020 US elections.

In short: shit's fucked and there's nothing anyone can do about it. the best thing you could hope for is that Imageboards are somehow mercy killed.

also requesting that one screencap that compares /pol/tards to furfags

>>51414

>>51296

<right-wing propaganda

>you do realize libertarian ideologies (upon which cyberpunk is heavily based) is heavily right-wing, right?

>call them statists or fascists if you're trying to make a point here, but i don't think you know what you're talking about

Any kind of politics always turns me off. I used to be interested in it, back in my /pol/ phase but now I actively avoid the political as my paranoid and tribal side is really uncomfortable with all the jew and group mentality stuff. Not pol's "fault" but my tolerance is lower nowadays. I dont actually want to fall for the /g/ or /pol/ memes.

>cyberpunk is an inherently political genre

Then cyberpunk is doomed to irrelivancy. No one truly enjoys the political. Just the Idea's that have spawned the politics.

>>51408

>Produce content.

I want to get back in imageboard culture. I always enjoyed producing and seeing other people's creativity.

>>51472

>blame the Jews?

A great parallel can be found with the motivation of the communists; They dont have empathy for the poor, they hate the rich. Same can be said of people hating jews. They dont hate the incompetent people in power, they hate the competent ones. The jews are the most hated in the world yet they still have status and high positions of power. What's not to envy? Why not drag them down to your level and beat them with experience?

>Also, am I retarded or do people not fucking realize the fucking fact that power corrupts government and leaders into abominations that should be overthrown

Maybe. I'm more pessimistic, Whatever corruption we now have in our governments is not "Just" due to bad actors. it is a direct result of how we set up the rules for the people in power. If every human was inherently good (as believed by many people in the past, but proven wrong) then we wouldn't have had corruption in the first place and communism might have been a good solution. Corruption seems to be part of the global expession of our darker emotions.

>THE LOCALS KNIVES ARE FUCKING CHAINED AND GPS TAGGED TO THEIR HOUSES.

That's some next level shit. I didn't know china was that far gone off the deep end already.

>>53208

>There definitely is something about cyber that lends itself more to hacking proprietary code than working on open source stuff.

Partially seems motivated by the fact that open source culture is more advantageus to the small company and more corporate schemes seem to want to hide their ways of operating; closed source.

>oh it's in Python, but it doesn't need to be better

You're right. I hate that mentality. Partially because it abstracts the beauty of how computers [[Cyberpunk]] work.

>X

[Insert Critism #107 here]

>>53215

What do you suggest? What is the new imageboard of 2005?

>>53341

>I support lowering the age of consent to 14

Do you understand that the phisical maturity of girls is earlier than the mental maturity? I get its very confusing, even for boys/girls themselves but there is a huge difference in mental and emotional development between 14 and 16. ( Especially 15 is reported as a huge turning point )

>the idea that two teens can sex each other but you can't do the same thing with someone older is pure doublethink

I think two teens having sex at 14,15 is a suboptimal solution. Many adult look back to those days and have regrets about who and why they had early intercourse and intimate relations. However there is no better solution yet. punishment will likely have the reverse effect and paradoxically it has been established that the mental maturity means that you can't blame minors for their mishaps. Adults, however, bear the full resposibility of keeping their urges and needs in check.

Age and maturity varies per person but I assume you're not going to play semantics with me.

Normally I'd say you're a pedo with an agenda but i'll take the effort for your post.

>>53350

>Trying to ban content you don't like goes against the very thing that makes imageboards appealing.

>they just can't fucking shut up about it.

>This whole situation will probably only get worse with the 2020 US elections.

Saving me some effort, A+

>compares /pol/tards to furfags

I know the one. I can't say I have it. dont have alot tagged right now.

We need a new imageboard-like culture that doesn't fracture users more than the exodus did and advocated, slightly, higher quality posts (Maybe user level censorship? Mini-algo-googles for your living room?)

>>53429

>I always enjoyed producing and seeing other people's creativity.

Check out the cyberpunk scp thread. Could always use new ideas there.

>>>/cyber/51246

go back to fucking reddit you faggot

>>53429

>They dont hate the incompetent people in power, they hate the competent ones. The jews are the most hated in the world yet they still have status and high positions of power. What's not to envy? Why not drag them down to your level and beat them with experience?

That's not necessarily the case all the time, if you look at some of what these people are proposing and actively attempting to do like getting everyone to dump as much chemical waste into the oceans as possible and spew as much waste into the air as they can in order to force living in major metropolitan as the only viable means of survival, the reasoning is that removing the jews will either halt the deleterious plan they have on dragging everyone down to the level of apes or at the very least slow it down to a near halt before working against it. I personally do not want that future, and the looks of things that's the only future out there, the grand beauty of nature is being completely eradicated by these parasites who want everyone to suffer the pains of destruction without the joy of rebirth in an attempt to unite the broken vessels or some bullshit. The only other three ways the future plays out are if the goyim rise up and right the wrongs currently going on, we escape earth and colonies the solar system leaving the kikes behind to rot in their own filth, or complete and total destruction with no sprawl to keep humanity on life support.

>>51372

I'm racist, antisemite, anti-homo, anti trans, anti commie, you name it but cant stand people talking about it 100% of the time. Yeah I get it these people suck, move on.

>>51432

>most cyberpunk works generally tend to promote principles of liberty, transparency, privacy, equality, and arguably progression/advancement

"And that," Case said, "is so much bullshit."

>>53429

>Do you understand that the phisical maturity of girls is earlier than the mental maturity? I get its very confusing, even for boys/girls themselves but there is a huge difference in mental and emotional development between 14 and 16.

The people who claim this have yet to produce any evidence for it. If they can pass a sex ed class, they can give the same consent as an adult because the same information is required.

>Many adult look back to those days and have regrets about who and why they had early intercourse and intimate relations.

It's not the responsibility of the government to save people from this.

>However there is no better solution yet.

Yes there is. It's called lower the age of consent.

>punishment will likely have the reverse effect and paradoxically it has been established that the mental maturity means that you can't blame minors for their mishaps.

So if a minor commits murder we shouldn't blame them for it. Good to know.

>Adults, however, bear the full resposibility of keeping their urges and needs in check.

Teenagers are adults. The idea that the brain doesn't develop until conveniently just after the physically most attractive age bracket of 14-16 is completely unsubstantiated feminist garbage not supported by scientific fact. Millions of years of evolution trump the pronouncements of politicized academics. There is no evolutionary reason for mental and physical capabilities to come at different times. Feminist spinsters made that shit up so they could restrict the dating market in favor of their busted slime holes.

>Normally I'd say you're a pedo with an agenda

Wanting to fuck a teenage girl is what every man wants. If you want to call that an agenda, you might as well call everything anyone wants an agenda.

>>53452

Hey, it's boosting board activity.

>>53453

Heh, true. But it's just off-topic, we should make a /cyber/ politics thread.

Oh, well.

I used to post here all the time, this was my home… until some complete and utter shithead started ruining everything with his total asshole comments so I left. I didn't come here to hear some limp worthless dick tell me that I'm a fag for using Ubuntu or that Mr. Robot is a show for posers or whatever.

This one guy started spamming his bitter angry sperg crap in every thread and he made it so unpleasant that it wasn't worth posting here.

I used to love this place and I contributed a lot so I figure I might as well tell you.

>>51231

you don't because you're insufferable tryhard faggots

>>53456

>until some complete and utter shithead started ruining everything with his total asshole comments so I left.

>This one guy started spamming his bitter angry sperg crap in every thread and he made it so unpleasant that it wasn't worth posting here.

That's exactly what these shazbots want to accomplish. Best thing to do is ignore them, don't engage (don't feed the trolls, remember?) Or if you feel like you must counter them–shitpost. Shipost shitpost shitpost. And hold your own, anon. You can't let words on a screen by some (probably paid) agitator demoralize you, they're just faggots.

>>53456

My only suggestion is to grow a thicker skin. Your reputation isn't on the line, you lose nothing by be an anonymous target of anonymous shitposting. Unlike many other sites, this one is just going to be a bit abrasive no matter what you do.

>>51565

this

>>53451

<Physical versus mental maturity

>The people who claim this have yet to produce any evidence for it. If they can pass a sex ed class, they can give the same consent as an adult because the same information is required.

"Even though teens are forming adult cognitive abilities, they still do not have the life experiences to guide them in making the best choices. Indeed, adults struggle with this, too."

https://www.healthlinkbc.ca/health-topics/te7285

"The pubertal transition to adulthood involves both gonadal and behavioral maturation. Magnetic resonance imaging studies have discovered that myelinogenesis, required for proper insulation and efficient neurocybernetics, continues from childhood and the brain’s region-specific neurocircuitry remains structurally and functionally vulnerable to impulsive sex, food, and sleep habits. The maturation of the adolescent brain is also influenced by heredity, environment, and sex hormones (estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone), which play a crucial role in myelination. Furthermore, glutamatergic neurotransmission predominates, whereas gamma-aminobutyric acid neurotransmission remains under construction, and this might be responsible for immature and impulsive behavior and neurobehavioral excitement during adolescent life. The adolescent population is highly vulnerable to driving under the influence of alcohol and social maladjustments due to an immature limbic system and prefrontal cortex."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3621648/

"Because the prefrontal cortex is still developing, teenagers might rely on a part of the brain called the amygdala to make decisions and solve problems more than adults do. The amygdala is associated with emotions, impulses, aggression and instinctive behaviour."

https://raisingchildren.net.au/pre-teens/development/understanding-your-pre-teen/brain-development-teens

>If they can pass a sex ed class, they can give the same consent as an adult because the same information is required.

A 12 year old is already capable of understanding the full implications of a sex ed class. I dont think you want to hold that position. There is a difference between being able to understand something and being able to be RESPONSIBLE for certain actions. A mentally unstable person will not be given responsibilities that he cannot bear to hold. Despite full knowing and understanding all consequences and being clear minded. If you want a more violent society with more promiscuous relationships then go to thailand, saudi arabia or africa. Those countries have less protection for destructive behaviour and enforced monogamy.

>lower the age of consent.

On that note, you seem quite happy to suggest there is no proof and then not giving any sources or counterarguments. Why do you thing the emotional development of a child is already mature enough at age [14] and not 12 when they can already understand the full implications of sex ed.

>if a minor commits murder we shouldn't blame them for it.

Correct. This has already been established in the western world. Children and minors get reduced sentences for the same crimes and often get special treatment and juvenile detention.

>There is no evolutionary reason for mental and physical capabilities to come at different times.

You should be carefull with evolutionary deductions. Evolutionary proofs are made by deducing how we "evolve" and then predicting how past animals must have looked. if that is proven by fossile records then an evolutionary case is made. yours have no predictive capabilities and therefore can't be proven. your argument in itself is also flawed. the brain DOES develop longer which in itself proves that your evolutionary hyphothesus is wrong. You should also be aware of how severely difficult evolution-based decisions are. bret weinstein has some interesting lectures on evolution. noteworthy examples are genes that are helpfull in early development but will hurt you once you get older are kept because surviving the early periods in your life is significantly more important than the later stages. There is also a nerve in every mammal on earth that goes from the brain, trough the aorta of your hearth and into your voicebox. (Which in the case of a giraffe is a meters long detour) these evolutionary quirks can't be filtered out because the changes are too radical and complex to ever be rectified.

>most attractive age bracket of 14-16

You're actually sick. if you're going to tell me that that's all you CAN be attracted to then please seek help. It is not normal. normal people do tend to mistakingly be attracted to younger girls but get turned off by clear immature behavioural signs.

I hope you're able to regain some sanity cause I wont call the police if you offend.

>>53455

You know who that sounds like don't you?

>

>>53469

Thicker skin is necessary, but he has a point: a shitty atmosphere doesn't bring you much participation.

The old 4chan ethos (calling everybody nigger, shazbot and other offensive words) worked because it was assumed everyone was joking and being offensive for the sake of being offensive. The most important thing was having a collective laugh at ourselves and others. Now that most are taking things seriously, there is no fun.

When the response to "Hey can we stop derailing every thread into rants about Jews?" is "Fuck you this is a Nazi-friendly board and if you don't like it then leave," don't be surprised when people actually take your advice and they stop coming here.

This will be the last post I make about this here because it's derailing the thread. Make a thread about /cyber/ politics for anything further.

>>53429

>Especially 15 is reported as a huge turning point

I'd be fine with setting it here. It's better than 16 and certainly better than 18, which is just the zenith of cuckoldry.

>>53482

>studies you linked

What a bunch of propaganda bullshit. Nothing in any of those piles of crap has a single fucking shred of evidence in it. And really, trying to prove your case with a fucking .gov study on a cyberpunk board full of people who hate the entire concept of government? Really faggot? I'd tell you to go back to Reddit, but I don't think even they're quite that lacking in awareness.

>Because the prefrontal cortex is still developing, teenagers might rely on a part of the brain called the amygdala to make decisions and solve problems more than adults do.

This isn't how the brain works. The brain is a network of cells which doesn't operate on a hard-and-fast system of parts like a laptop. Every area of the brain is involved in every decision because the cells involved in making that decision are distributed throughout the brain.

>they still do not have the life experiences to guide them in making the best choices.

A 30-year-old who spends his entire adult life memorizing quotes from Adam Sandler movies isn't more qualified to decide anything than a teen. And if anything, the average adult these days is even less intelligent than that.

>There is a difference between being able to understand something and being able to be RESPONSIBLE for certain actions.

No there isn't.

>If you want a more violent society

I already live in the land that made school shootings a thing.

>Correct. This has already been established in the western world.

This is stupid as hell.

>Why do you thing the emotional development of a child is already mature enough at age [14]

Probably because 14 was when I started wanting to actually have sex instead of just puppy love. Maybe that's subjective, but no more so than your claim to being able to judge everyone else's experience level.

>yours have no predictive capabilities and therefore can't be proven.

Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Your claims about how brain development works have fewer predictive capabilities than mine because my claim that the information a teen has is the only important factor allows for the possibility of passing a test to determine whether one has enough knowledge to give sexual consent, which is a method roundly rejected by American psychologists despite the fact that it's used to determine who can drive. Obviously, the reason they reject this idea is because it offers a way to empirically measure brain development and thus to prove that teens have the same intelligence and consent capabilities as adults. They don't like having their half-baked feminist bullshit questioned. Of course, since you don't believe that intelligence has any value when it comes to understanding, this is going to be lost on you.

>the brain DOES develop longer

Not really. Feminists just pretend that so they can destroy everything good.

>It is not normal.

This is what every man in the world wants.

>normal people do tend to mistakingly be attracted to younger girls

Nothing mistaken about it at all. It's evolution telling men to find the fittest girls.

>but get turned off by clear immature behavioural signs.

Mainstream America put two monkeys and an orange retard in the White House sequentially, so people who have the social views of mainstream America aren't qualified to talk about immature behavioral signs.

>I hope you're able to regain some sanity

Shit, I used all the mandrake roots I had making regain mana potions. You should have told me there were going to be mindflayers in the next dungeon.

>>53240

>muh Poppler tolerance paradox

Oh my fucking god it's one of those leftist Twitter cunts. Kill him with fire.

No, seriously, it only makes sense to talk about "intolerance" when the intolerant people are those who are not willing to debate, those who are not civil. Otherwise, it's exactly the "tolerant ones" who may become intolerant by redefining whatever the human-made human rights are at the moment. I have had people argue with me on Twitter that I am one of those "intolerant cunts" because I stated I liked dark humor. I have had these Poppler retard fanboys claim that whatever position they did not share was violating human rights, and that no topic should be up to debate because their option is the only "human right friendly" one. Seriously, the interpretations of the Poppler meme are so stupid it just makes you look like a fucking loony in my eyes the moment someone brings it up.

Fun fact: this paradox became viral amongst liberal circles on social media (specially Twitter) the moment Trump won the generals, due to a very suspiciously crafted infographic that became suspiciously viral overnight. I am a liberal and even I think this is fucking mind-control elite pushed propaganda. The way the meme spread was ridiculous.

I'm new. Been here before but I plan on staying this time.

>>53491

kek, picrelated happened to /pol/. they were larping as le epic nazis to trigger normfags. problem is: real nazis thought they were serious.

>>53535

>Jokes on them, tumblr was full or ill trannies from the start

>>53341

>I have actual evidence and reasoning to support my beliefs

>I support lowering the age of consent to 14 because there is no evidence whatsoever of it being harmful for an adult

>>53451

>The people who claim this have yet to produce any evidence for it.

>The idea that the brain doesn't develop until conveniently just after the physically most attractive age bracket of 14-16 is completely unsubstantiated feminist garbage not supported by scientific fact.

>>53482

<Actually provides three highly differing studies where "No evidence whathowever was claimed.

>What a bunch of propaganda bullshit. Nothing in any of those piles of crap has a single fucking shred of evidence in it.

>"Piles of crap"

>No evidence

>Not a single fucking shred

I would like to know what allows you to dismiss all three of these sources as "Propoganda" so easely without the need for an explanation. Why is it propaganda? When did this start? Which research institutes are safe?

>a fucking .gov study on a cyberpunk board

You're not familliar with how research insitutes work. That paper wasn't funded by the govt (Well, maybe*) research institutes can choose to publish their paper safely in a gov database to make the process of peer review and exchanging information with other institutes easier. If you click the "author Information button" you can see which evil goverment institute he came from.

<Saint James School of Medicine, Kralendijk, Bonaire, The Netherlands

*Funding academic research is a nightmare on its own. Usually schools, gov and companies provide some funds.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3621648/#

<teenagers might rely on a part of the brain called the amygdala to make decisions and solve problems more than adults do.

>This isn't how the brain works.

Luckely for you, you can contact the authors

Netherlands Tel +31 599 717 7550 Fax +31 599 717 7570 Email gro.msjs.liam@amrahs

Your contribution to the development of the late teen brain will surely prove that the legal age of adulthood should be lowered to 14. You've been so hard presses for everyone to "Show evidence" and "Proof" that it would be a missed oppertunity to at least prove ME wrong, and maybe even a couple of med students. Take your time writing out a response, maybe in a new thread.

>Your claims about how brain development works have fewer predictive capabilities

It has nothing to do with Evolution. It is empirical data.

You dont even seem to understand what it means to make a evolutionary case for something. the only point in making such a case is to PREDICT what happened in the past and then prove it empirically.

>able to judge everyone else's experience level.

Experience is an easier story to tell than research papers and studies. I'm not crawling trough paywalls for you anymore. teens that hook up with older guys often fall in the category of depression and suicide. The emotionall difference due to age produce very short term relationships and they tend towards abuse. Like I said. If you want a more violent and polygamorous society then I could give you the top 10 things to make it a living hell as long as you're not at the top of the hierarchy.

>"the information a teen has is the only important factor allows for the possibility of passing a test.. ..to determine who can drive."

sex and intimate relationships and driving are vastly different. someone with epilepsy shouldn't drive but can have intimate relationships. - Resposibility can be had and taken away for different tasks depending on your level of functioning.

I'm not even sure what your misunderstanding is anymore. A child can understand death, equally capable as an adult. That doesn't mean a child wont get damaged if their parents are found dead in the living room.

>teens have the same intelligence and consent capabilities as adults.

see text above.

You also have a strange fetish for feminists. Despite me ignoring it every single post like bait on a stick, you still bring it up. your insistance to confirm you like teens in every post makes me think you dont understand the difference between wanting something and being allowed to have it. Inhibition is something that is codefied at every stage of the brain in development. Its why the marshmellow test is such an accurate tool in determining long term success. pedophillia seems to be linked to this lack of inhibition and controll over impulses. You have all the markers for a pedohile. only a few people share your opinion. Have you ever seriously considered that, if our entire society seems to agree on the age limitation(not just the feminists), that you might be the problem here?

>>53451

>If they can pass a sex ed class, they can give the same consent as an adult

>Wanting to fuck a teenage girl is what every man wants.

>>53492

>This is what every man in the world wants.

>>53492

It's evolution telling men to find the fittest girls.

>>53549

Can't you read? I said make another thread to talk about /cyber/ politics if you want to get your feminist pseudoscience rekt even further.

Oh good, we've moved from "DA JOOS RULE THE WORLD" to "It's feminist propaganda to call me a creep for wanting to fuck an 8th grader"

Wanna know why we don't have more visitors? Read no further than >>30783 (the /cyber/-tan thread, if you have JS or XHR disabled and are lazy enough to click the link. But really, read it, you shazbot).

Everyone in this board is too stuck up way too far inside their own asses to agree on something to discuss. People at >>>/v/ discuss videogames save exceptions, like most walking simulators, people at /tg/ discuss board games… and here we are actually discussing on the matters we want to discuss. It's like this board is actually /metacyber/, with every thread becoming a thread on what is true cyberpunk, and what should and shouldn't be allowed. Yeah, Deus Ex and Blade Runner aren't the same kind of cyberpunk, but go fuck yourself if you think we should ban any of the two because it doesn't match up with your retardedly specific vision of what cyberpunk should be. We have the Gibson evangelists, who will shit on anything that's not Neuromancer. We have the /pol/linators, who believe cyberpunk should actually be about a fascist "utopia" (in their mind) in a dark blue color palette. We have the Pink Mohawk Shadowrunners, who always demand more neons.

Cyberpunk, despite being a really narrow sci-fi genre, actually has a multitude of flavours, their only trait in common being that they are dark non-space-opera sci-fi. Stop being such prima donnas, and learn to accept that being so narrow minded will leave you alone in this board. Really, fucking entertain your mind with stuff you may not entirely like this goes specially to the /pol/lacks who said /cyber/-tan with pink hair would make her a thot and that would be bad. The fucking point of cyberpunk is that it would suck to live in it, at least in some levels. Just learn to love the degeneracy and decadence, or search another genre

Also, while cyberpunk is political, you are really doing yourselves a disservice by applying real world politics to it. Cyberpunk contains a critique of the elite and the power in general, whether it is corporations or a massive government. Cyberpunk is not about muh Drumpf, cyberpunk is not about muh SJW, and anyone who brings up these topics is either ignorant, monothematic, or is intentionally trying to shit up the board. It is also silly to discuss how to "improve society" in this board. We love cyberpunk -otherwise we wouldn't be here-, and trying to "fix" it would kill it. Think cyberpunk is now, and that we need to do something? Sure, save yourself. Fuck, help us save ourselves by writing a guide on how to kill the botnet in your computer or whatever, but don't expect any societal change at large. We are just 50 guys in this board, we won't change the world. If you really want to discuss how to change the world (and even then, allow me to respectfully ask you to come back to Earth), go to any politics board, because this is not the place for that.

As a last word, I want you to re-read this thread. Go ahead, taste the cesspool in it. Feel how we aren't talking about cyberpunk, but actually real world politics that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Someone slipped in with their monothematism, either on purpose or just because they can't get it out of their head, and then everyone followed him, because how can there be someone so stupid, amirite? The result is, of course, not about cyberpunk. So the stuff new users, returning users, and old users who are one step away from leaving the board open /cyber/ to read stuff about cyberpunk, and they find a debate on the age of consent instead. Then, they close the tab. Forever.

I want to warn you, there is either some really stupid user, or an actual troll trying to kill the board, who doesn't talk about cyberpunk. He goes on a thread, calls everyone, or someone, a degenerate cuck with absolutely nothing to bring to the conversation, and then he leaves. He is just random NPC noise, but many times manages to destabilize the conversation to the point it can't even be re-railed. Don't fall for him, or call him an idiot once if you must, but don't give in to his attempts to redirect the conversation. Remember not to feed the troll, and everything in the board will be fine.

>>53565

>Everyone in this board is too stuck up way too far inside their own asses to agree on something to discuss

We used to do that and i've personally made a few analysis and concluded some definitions about the genre with some anons but nobody seems to be interested in it and is either radical about the somewhat common definition because it suits his political agenda or just passes by. If you're interested, we can debate on this topic because i don't think that accepting anything other than normalnigger definition that's commonly used is "retarded", quite frankly, especially when your genre is so ill-defined.

>The fucking point of cyberpunk is that it would suck to live in it, at least in some levels. Just learn to love the degeneracy and decadence, or search another genre

Colored hair folk is controlled opposition hysterical children though, fitting in the genre as much as christians that were protesting DnD years ago would be. It's a bad choice to color /cyber/-tan as the most bluepilled, oblivious and controlled normalfag of the day, imho.

>Just learn to love the degeneracy and decadence

I don't think that one has to embrace these things to like cyberpunk, they might only be something that follows the main events of a story or some greater narrative that sets it.

>cesspool

That's a problem, but it revolves around people seeing only their favored political agitation in the genre, and communists are well-known for that and are part of the reason the board is in such bad condition today after its long decay. Sure, there are others like /pol/acks and some autistic lolbergs but polacks are few(at least for now) laughed at and libertarians are mostly apolitical unless threaded on. It's hard to remain neutral when there's a group that's only interested in pushing a one-sided narrative that withers the genre to the point of death. Would you welcome furries if they decided that cyberpunk lacks their inclusivity and turned the board into their circlejerk with rare mentions on their fantasies within the basic interpretation of the already existing stereotypes?

>>53558

Are we being raided or something? Left for a month, and came back to find every other thread having a political argument. What happened?

>>53571

A conflict of interests between 2 incompatible groups after a few tumblr refugees creating a scandal.

Ban the 3 /pol/tards who refuse to stop posting about how they're still cyberpunks even though they unironically want an authoritarian Nazi regime to take control over the world and they think the president is good.

>>53573

Kill yourself, you thin skin coward.

>>53569

>We used to do that and i've personally made a few analysis and concluded some definitions about the genre with some anons but nobody seems to be interested in it and is either radical about the somewhat common definition because it suits his political agenda or just passes by. If you're interested, we can debate on this topic because i don't think that accepting anything other than normalnigger definition that's commonly used is "retarded", quite frankly, especially when your genre is so ill-defined.

Sure. We should open a thread for this, though. New threads are good for activity because it lets everyone (1) their hot takes, and it's not like we haven't anything netter and more suiting to discuss. But my point still stands, that trying to make this board "officially" a single specific brand of cyberpunk is a mistake. Blade Runner is cyberpunk, The Matrix is cyberpunk, and so is Ghost in the Shell or Shadowrun, and fuck, even talking about free software is cyberpunk; there is no point in arguing against any of these specific flavours of the genre.

>Colored hair folk is controlled opposition hysterical children though, fitting in the genre as much as christians that were protesting DnD years ago would be. It's a bad choice to color /cyber/-tan as the most bluepilled, oblivious and controlled normalfag of the day, imho.

Not quite. There is nothing inherent about hair dye that makes you more redpilled or bluepilled when you use it, so we can only judge by the context it is being used on, or the actual motives behind the color change.

Basically, hair dye has always been used to give an image of individuality in a society where individuals have been defaced and dehumanized. Thus, the need to find a way to be "less generic", to keep your soul and avoid becoming an NPC like the rest. Dyed hair provides an easy way to stand out from between the crowd at first glance, in the same manner as gaudy fashion, t-shirts with slogans, piercings, nonstandard makeup, weird hairstyles…

The reason SJW dye their hair is a form of protest against the "sheeple" they disdain, those who have not achieved "unique thought", in contrast to them, who are woke. Which in turn becomes terribly ironic and funny when you realize they all do it and thus dying your hair has lost its meaning, but that's more or less what happens in cyberpunk: everyone believes themselves to be hot shit and acts like they are hot shit, but in fact they are just exactly as everyone else. In fact, the whole moral of Blade Runner 2049 is you are not defined by your labels, but by your actions, but it usually takes some character development to reach such a conclusion.

Or maybe they just like the way it looks, I dunno? Associating a single cause to the phenomenon would be naive. They wouldn't dye their hairs if they didn't like the way it looked. Think about anime, anyway: why do designers make characters with neon colored hair? Is it because they are SJW? No, it is because they like the way it looks, because it does look cool. It is also to make their characters stand out from a sea of characters that would otherwise look the same (protagonist hair and all that). So yeah, they got to the same conclusion as SJW, but I seriously hope none of you want to argue with me the reason Precures have exotic hair colors is that they were designed by SJW.

So basically, there are many reasons to dye your hair, and associating a character designed to represent this place who has dyed hair to SJW, despite talking about fictional characters in a genre that is not famous for having SJW characters that is about a society that is somewhat dettached from our own not to apply current fads and demographics or politics in a website known for being a place where absolutely every user here abhors SJW, is paranoid at best. Really, who the fuck really thinks anyone would design /cyber/-tan to be a SJW? This coming from an imageboard dedicated to people who watch chinese cartoons. I am really starting to hate what imageboard culture has become in the $current_year + 4.

>>53583 (cont)

>I don't think that one has to embrace these things to like cyberpunk, they might only be something that follows the main events of a story or some greater narrative that sets it.

Yeah, I mean, of course you don't have to love it in real life. Only idiots and masochists would genuinely like to live in a cyberpunk world, but as Aristotle once put it, "it is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it". Cyberpunk has always been about degenerate societies, with degenerate drug addict main characters who live a life of crime; such is the meaning of "low life". I guess you could write a cyberpunk setting where the world is not (as) degenerate, or where the protagonist is a loving Christian mother who has only ever had sex just once with her husband and has absolutely no vices whatsoever, just like you could make a fantasy setting without magic, or a noir story without murder in it I once did this, and it worked, but arguing the whole genre should change to suit your own personal real life tastes and beliefs is so incredibly retarded I don't even know where to begin. Why would people like that even be here?

>communists

I haven't seen many unironical communists here. Those who are are usually bullied into submission by our resident group of monothematic /pol/acks, who lurk this place until the opportunity arises to make a combined combo finish on the retard who brought up the topic of "true cyberpunks are actually socialist communist anarchist feminists though" as if the true cyberpunk wasn't politically nihilistic in the first place. This usually ends also with the thread, though.

But really, you can spot the gomuniss :-DDD here from a mile, and I am fairly sure it is either because they are from Reddit and have somehow stumbled upon this board, or because they are trolls trying to kill the board. Not even /leftypol/ is this obvious when attempting to co-opt something. You don't need to completely nuke the thread every time you see one of these, because most sane people will see right through it. You can bully him a bit to remind him he is retarded, shoo shoo him, but anything more than that, and you are basically shitting where you eat.

By the way, I have seen the same guy talking about lowering the age of consent in /leftpol/ (that is not /leftypol/, mind you), talking about exactly the same shit in a very vaguely related thread. I am fairly sure he is a /b/ troll, or some schizo like MikeeUSA, but the point is that some monothematic people exist who only want to talk about a single topic, which usually results in total derailment because it consists of some hot opinion, and the best course of action is ignoring them like the insane people they are

>furries

There are actually furries in cyberpunk. Given, I would not like this place to turn into e621, because cyberpunk is not about furries, but if you read the Cyberpunk 2020 manual, you will see there are rules for furry conversion (and they involve a risk of cancer, funnily enough). They form part of the "degeneracy" aspect of cyberpunk.

>>53573

>ban 3/4ths of the userbase

how about you stop fucking posting, ban yourself nigger

>>53585

>>53580

samefag

>>53583

>We should open a thread for this, though

I've tried. It doesn't seem to cause any effect.

>trying to make this board "officially" a single specific brand of cyberpunk is a mistake

Lack of clearly set definition is what caused this board to turn into its current state. If you have problems with a definition, you are either misunderstanding and misusing the word or the definition is incomplete and lacks universality.

>There is nothing inherent about hair dye that makes you more redpilled or bluepilled when you use it

We aren't talking about a hard die but about what the hair die symbolizes and reflects. By choosing it to show "degeneracy" you're picking the one type of it that reflects the feel and image of the genre the least.

>Dyed hair provides an easy way to stand out from between the crowd at first glance, in the same manner as gaudy fashion, t-shirts with slogans, piercings, nonstandard makeup, weird hairstyles…

It's not 80's anymore gramps, the term "special snowflake" appeared for a reason.

>but that's more or less what happens in cyberpunk: everyone believes themselves to be hot shit and acts like they are hot shit

I don't see it as an inherent trait of the genre. Sure, it could be used in it but certainly not necessary.

>Or maybe they just like the way it looks, I dunno?

In that case its outside of the past discussion, as the hair choice was offered as a symbol and a reflection of "degeneracy" or something, not as a basic design choice or even show her temper(like it's often done). If that was not the case, i doubt anyone would mind anything but pink/rainbow due to hard aforementioned associations.

>who the fuck really thinks anyone would design /cyber/-tan to be a SJW?

As you can see by looking at the rabid tumblr poster here the genre does attract their lik at least in some numbers. They'd be very pleased to do something like that.

>Only idiots and masochists would genuinely like to live in a cyberpunk world

It does have some charming features, even if not offering necessary better conditions for everyone overall.

>Cyberpunk has always been about degenerate societies, with degenerate drug addict main characters who live a life of crime; such is the meaning of "low life"

I extremely dislike the pseudo definition of cyberpunk as "high tech low life"(second only to calling people "cyberpunks") as it is very plain and one-dimensional, as well as fits a specific narrative that is the reason this place has attracted so much commies. I am certain that there can be a cyberpunk story around power struggle between corporation leaders, their agents or politicians that would nicely fit the genreahem, deus ex so into the trash the filthy npc description goes.

>I guess you could write a cyberpunk setting where the world is not (as) degenerate

It's not that though, a dystopia is a dystopia and so even your schway story would not end well or make the whole work garbage like post-cyberpunk. I feel like the genre has a specific scope that makes it the way it is and so alterations are possible, they are just harder to pull off then just copying existing settings with slight alterations.

>ut arguing the whole genre should change to suit your own personal real life tastes and beliefs

I doubt that there are many who think like that, aside from leftist infestation. More like they have their own interpretation of already existing works. I dislike the currently common description for that reason - it limits what the genre could do and misses the thing that unites all the different works into it.

>>53587 pt2

>Why would people like that even be here?

Because they have a job of spreading political agenda as the only thing that forms their identity. All other things that attract their attention will be consumed by the first one.

>I haven't seen many unironical communists here

They you're not looking well or are pretty biased.

>retard who brought up the topic of "true cyberpunks are actually socialist communist anarchist feminists though"

There are more these retards that /pol/autists though, especially if we look further in the past.

>This usually ends also with the thread, though

This has to be done though. Allowing autists to run freely attracts more of them to the point of their circlejerk overrunning the slow moving quality board.

>Not even /leftypol/ is this obvious when attempting to co-opt something

Probably because the board is not very active so they are more focused on others and only few stumble on it via nerve center.

>You don't need to completely nuke the thread every time you see one of these, because most sane people will see right through it

I'd hope so but unfortunately it's not the way it goes. The more these posts are the more accepted they become and the easier for newer ones of them to come and stay.

>They form part of the "degeneracy" aspect of cyberpunk.

You seem to lack understanding of the genre nature and origins. Dystopias appeared and serves as critiques of things, first and foremost, and while cyberpunk is no classical "dystopia" these things do exist solely for making world worse. It's like asking neetsocs and commies to help writing 1984 - you won't get anything adequate.

>>53584

>By the way, I have seen the same guy talking about lowering the age of consent in /leftpol/ (that is not /leftypol/, mind you)

Have you ever considered that more than one person can have the same opinion? At least half of /pol/ would agree with that.

>but the point is that some monothematic people exist who only want to talk about a single topic

The people who seem to obsessively talk about one thing are probably talking about something else in other threads and you don't notice them there. But you can expect whatever marginalized opinion they have to come to the fore whenever somebody's talking about censorship. This goes double for times when some Tumblr retard is here calling for everyone they disagree with to be banned.

Remove the fucking requirement to post images to post on this shit larp board

>>53598

>Then one absolute madman came late into the party to unite both sides, but the board was dead by then

Why don't we take another shot at making a board-tan now? With all the activity around this thread and the SCP thread, the board's probably alive enough to make some headway.

>>53588

>There are more these retards that /pol/autists though

Look at this thread again and tell me there are more /leftypol/ autists than /pol/ autists. In fact, there seems to be between one to three leftist fags in this thread, and only one of them seems to be a non-(1) who just came in to say that all /pol/acks should be banned. I assume there are between two and five right-wingers in the thread, and almost all of them have posted more than once to tell the guy at >>51279 to kill himself. Fuck, 8chan is largely /pol/ crossposters. It would be weird that the /pol/ crossposter population in this board was below 50%, with the rest of the population being mostly composed of people who just want to discuss cyberpunk, and not liberate a politics boards proxy war in a dead board.

>This has to be done though.

No, it has not. It can be done in a board where you get 10 posts per hour, like /v/, but this one? Here posts last months. Years. There will always be that one autist that makes a post attempting to derail the topic. What happens if you nuke every single thread? You kill the board. I'm not saying to accept their shit, but derailing every single thread in name of your holy crusade is retarded. No wonder why the board is dead.

>You seem to lack understanding of the genre nature and origins.

Nigga please, I have investigated the genre's origins and the social climate that gave birth to it fairly extensively. Fuck, I have received prices for writing cyberpunk. I know the genre well. A degenerate future is what they expected and it's what we got, more or less, in one way or the other.

>>53589

>Have you ever considered that more than one person can have the same opinion?

Yeah, but it had the same wording, the same writing style, and the same argument. I can't seem to find it now so it may have been deleted by the mods, but I am fairly sure it was the same autist.

>>53600

Wouldn't be a bad idea to just recreate some threads so we can have another take, two years after. It would let people know it's a new try, and not just a bunch of necroposters.

>>53601

s/posts per hour/threads per hour/

My mistake. The given number is of course an exaggeration.

>>53564

Yeah, shame.

>>53571

This one is entirely my fault. I decided to take the figurative bait. But i'm not even sure it was bait.

>>53584

>total derailment,ignoring them like the insane people they are

sorry

>>53609

>But i'm not even sure it was bait.

This is indicative of a religious-like mentality. You can't even comprehend the idea that somebody might have a legitimate disagreement with you or your feminist-controlled academic community's shoddy research methods because you've been indoctrinated by the liberal media, so you can only conceptualize it as bait. You're a perfect example of everything wrong with academia today, not to mention an example of everything wrong with the cyberpunk community. There are studies that contradict the conclusions of the ones you posted, but those studies get suppressed by feminist political commissars and made out to be only a fringe minority by feminist media, when in reality they represent the opinions of many people. If you're so confident that these statements come from someone who should be ignored, make another thread to talk about politics and prove it in debate. But your kind has a history of censoring any idea you can't refute.

>>53611

>make another thread to talk about politics and prove it in debate.

Don't even fucking dare.

>>53613

There are people concerned about making cyberpunk too political, and then there are people who just don't want any of their fact-free beliefs challenged. This doesn't sound like the former.

>>53611

Thx, def bait.

Make a thread on pol already and link it. Dont do it on cyber. Include all those contradicting studies you've failed to show as of late. This thread is already severely derailed and discussion like this requires a containment board. (For you and for cyber)

>>53598

>The problem with defining autistically something is that you end up limiting what can be done with something way too much

Only if you limit where it is unnecessary. Otherwise, limitations set up substance of the genre and help recreate the whole "feel" or structure of the fiction. That's why all established literature genres have pretty clear definitions -speculation will only dissolve what used to be a vague but genre into an unnatural mess.

>and specific enough not to allow obviously non-cyberpunk stuff

They are very specific though, they ONLY allow a futuristic setting from the viewpoint of a poor man or "victim". I already complained multiple times that the whole idea around the genre and later the so-called subculture turned into making yourself a victim, which is a direct result of this cancer.

>I would be in favour of attempting to classify cyberpunk on a deeper level

If you want to, you can make a thread.

>read the whole /cyber/-tan thread

Ok, though pink hair does cause confusion because today it has become pretty much the opposite of "free mindedness" and taste. The proper decision would be pick another color but i guess autism prevailed.

> because people couldn't agree on which flavour of cyberpunk was the REAL one and only flavour of cyberpunk.

See where these vague and empty definitions took you? Into endless arguing about semantics over and over again. Only because they are commonly accepted.

>Not inherent, but you will see it in pretty much any corporate cyberpunk setting

Yes, low culture does fit the setting pretty well, but its overuse will once have to let out a proper deconstruction, unless killed beforehand by becoming a "strict standard" or executed poorly, setting additional limits to the genre.

>I am conviced there is, at least, one anon dedicated to keep this board down

Down or clean? I don't see someone derailing every thread, spamming every post, etc. which is usually done to kill a board.

>They are all meaningless political shitflinging without any arguments brought up for the sake of shitting up the discussion

Somewhat true, though they are mostly a reaction to leftists voicing their views. Third post, for example, is mine, and is a deliberate attempt to annoy and bully them as much as i can so they remove themselves from the board, which i encourage anyone to do. Leftist ruin everything and never go away by themselves, poisoning everything they touch with their disgrace of an ideology. To fight leftists you have to use leftist methods.

>I do not compute

There is a place for a magnificent bastard or an idealistic tyrant, or mad genius, or Byronic hero somewhere, don't you think?

>Look at this thread again and tell me there are more /leftypol/ autists than /pol/ autists

Libertarians are not /pol/ autists though, even if they have plenty of autism of their own type.

>only one of them seems to be a non-(1) who just came in to say that all /pol/acks should be banned

He also appeared in another thread with a post about antifa, moral judgement about muh drumpf and typical BLM/antifa wording. That's almost the lowliest of human beings right there.

>Fuck, 8chan is largely /pol/ crossposters

Bigger boards? Sure. Smaller ones - not so much. This board has seen much more anarkiddies than unironic neetsocs for sure.

>It can be done in a board where you get 10 posts per hour

It's the other way round. In a fast board these posts, when ignored, quickly go down, while in a slow board they can be a massive part of the atmosphere and mood, hanging around threads for long long time.

>Fuck, I have received prices for writing cyberpunk. I know the genre well

Ok, though your understanding might still be limited, even if fitting in the broad spectre of the whole genre.

>A degenerate future is what they expected

Again, white about degeneracy and what it brings a sense of superiority for the more cultured ones, for example is not the same as grow it inside you or embrace it. It's degeneracy, ffs.

>>53621

>Only if you limit where it is unnecessary.

Most of the time, whenever you try to come up with some general rule as to what can be done or not in literature, someone will be able to come up with a counterexample that breaks the rule. Sure, rules are good for the vast majority of usecases, but there will always be that guy who manages to put a well though out spin that just jumps over the previously made definitions.

We do know, for example, cyberpunk is supposed to be at least somewhat futuristic or dealing with current day cutting edge technology (otherwise, it will be any other brand of *punk, which are also pretty cool except steampunk. Fuck steampunk). This is so core to cyberpunk, nobody would dare to argue technology doesn't play a major role in it. We also know cyberpunk is not about utopias, otherwise you would just get another type of sci-fi. That much is clear. We may add that it may not be post-apocaliptic, but everything else is tacked on, and doesn't make much sense to argue on terms of what you can or can not do, but more like what you may probably want to do: you probably want to add mentions of body augments, but you don't have to, as a story about a bunch of modern-like hackers, who use regular keyboards and methods to crack into other systems, will be just as cyberpunk as any other story. Same goes for megacorporations, since I fucking love megacorporations in cyberpunk, but I admit you can also make cyberpunk with authoritarian governments but it's just lamer. The possibilities are nearly endless, and trying to restrict more the genre would kill any possibility of progress it may have. Whatever it is, I do not want to see a gigantic laundry list of arbitrary dos and don'ts.

>That's why all established literature genres have pretty clear definitions -speculation will only dissolve what used to be a vague but genre into an unnatural mess.

Most genres can be defined in a small elevator pitch, but more often than not, a single sentence. Later on, by association by similarities, and not by pressuring a story in a mold too tight, you may make further classifications in function on how similar they sound to a given description.

>>53622 (cont)

Say, what makes the noir genre what it is? Noir is a genre about crime. It is supposed to be somewhat pessimistic, or at least "heavy" in the grief or uneasiness department, in contrast to other slightly more upbeat and logical crime fiction, such as whodunnit or howcatchem, where the focus is put in the exact mechanics and logic of the crime, rather than the "emotion" or "abstract" behind the crime. So to speak, the exacts of the crime itself aren't as important as the motives behind, or the results, of the crime. Okay, that would be my definition of the genre; now you can read the Wikipedia entry, where you will see the definition is fairly short, but isn't cutting straight to the point, and instead just adds fluff to the true core of noir: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noir_fiction

<Noir fiction (or roman noir) is a literary genre closely related to hardboiled genre,

I wonder why would they put noir as a "subordinate" of hardboiled, but okay.

<with a distinction that the protagonist is not a detective, but instead either a victim, a suspect, or a perpetrator.

Makes sense, but anyone that's not attempting to be utterly pedantic won't make such a clear cut distinction between hardboiled and noir. They are essentially the same.

<Other common characteristics include a self-destructive protagonist.

Okay, that is indeed something that happens in noir, but just like cyberpunk and megacorps, you can just make it work as well without this restriction. At least they specified it's just "common".

<A typical protagonist of noir fiction is dealing with the legal, political or other system, which is no less corrupt than the perpetrator, by whom the protagonist is either victimized and/or has to victimize others on a daily basis, leading to a lose-lose situation.

This is just pure academic wankery. I guess at least it says "a typical protagonist", but it is by no means a requirement.

So, take out the last two sentences, since they are just "shoulds", and not "musts". That's your core definition of noir. No more, no less. However, the page continues, and starts writing on some really fucking specific subggenres, like Mediterranean Noir:

<Mediterranean Noir refers to noir fiction in a Mediterranean setting. Sex, crime, and physical violence often figure prominently in Mediterranean Noir narratives. Social and historical issues specific to the region – particularly governmental corruption and instability, war, and racial strife – are frequently underlying plot considerations. Prominent authors of the movement include Jean-Claude Izzo, Andrea Camilleri, Massimo Carlotto, Eduardo Mendoza, Batya Gur and Enrico Teodorani.

Well fuck if that ain't specific. However, we can see they obtained this definition through inductive reasoning, so it does make sense to have it. Doesn't mean you have to tick all the checkmarks to have the same feel of Mediterranean noir, it's just something that happened to exist because a few Mediterranean authors all decided to write similar stuff, due to whatever dumb reason they had.

So yeah, while we could indeed try to induct some cyberpunk subgenres, as many as possible to satisfy our classification needs, I don't think we should try to autistically delimit the general definition. Some people believe Blade Runner is not cyberpunk, some believe the same about The Matrix, or that cringy Hackers movie with Angelina Jolie. Fuck, I have known people who insist that, if it did not appear mentioned on the Cyberpunk 2020 manual or Gibson's novels, then it is not cyberpunk they also commented on how only leather and denim jackets can be "cyberpunk fashion", when it is described very clearly that Molly rocks a gaudy as fuck outfit FOR INFILTRATION in Neuromancer, so yeah. Really, we have to stop trying to laser cut the "official" definition of cyberpunk to suit a very limited form of cyberpunk, lest we want to end up arguing to ourselves alone in the board.

>>53623 (cont)

The reason nobody seems to agree on /cyber/-tan is because they believe there is a single cyberpunk aesthetic, when it's not true. You have sober cyberpunk aesthetics in some settings (like Deus Ex, GitS, and I would like to say The Matrix, were it not for the fashion having aged like milk), then you have those settings full of neon where everybody seems to want to live on the edge of looking like a clown without actually looking like it (like some of Gibson, Cyberpunk 2020, Shadowrun, or fuck, even Blade Runner - both movies, but specially the sequel). Of course, there is everything inbetween, and even some of the examples I have given do not go into any of the extremes. Recognizing the genre is wider than any specific example of cyberpunk setting is key to agreeing on a /cyber/-tan, which I would like to take as a symbol of having a healthy board for once.

>If you want to, you can make a thread.

Maybe tomorrow. I am supposed to log in in three hours so

>See where these vague and empty definitions took you? Into endless arguing about semantics over and over again. Only because they are commonly accepted.

No, both sides of the /cyber/-tan discussion were right. The definition is vague enough to define both sides, which is good because it is flexible. Problem is people did not admit there was more than one possible way to look at the definition.

Both the NEET goth depressed virgin colorblind heavy smoker on nootropics who spends most of the day masturbating in front of the computer in her basement /cyber/-tan, and the slut dressed like a clown who is an adrenaline junkie (and other types of junkie, specially a synthcocaine junkie) and probably has several different brands of cyberpsychosis /cyber/-tan, are low life. Problem is nobody wanted to admit the other side was valid, which would be an issue with a "narrower" definition as well, unless it explicitly admitted the existence of both aesthetics.

>Down or clean? I don't see someone derailing every thread, spamming every post, etc. which is usually done to kill a board.

No, really, you have to be very blind not to see that most threads in the first pages contain totally uncalled for (by that I mean completely unrelated to the topic at hand, sometimes intentionally misinterpreting what someone said just to stir up drama), usually one-liners, in an attempt to derail the thread. Look no further than >>53551, >>53605, everything down from >>52084 (not really political, but it did derail the thread by using a controversial topic), the WHOLE Taler thread (despite actually being an interesting topic; you can see what happens when you nuke from orbit da gommies), the posts I have linked before… and some threads haven't been derailed due to hot take shitpost spam because the board does not have enough activity for an actual derail to take off (notice how many of those are near the end of the thread). I am fairly convinced there may be a malicious agent inside, maybe even playing both sides, who doesn't want to subvert the board but to kill it. If I had to point fingers, it's probably some fag from Lainchan.

>To fight leftists you have to use leftist methods.

You mean shitting on your own plate? The Taler thread was killed before it even took off due to this. It is like burning all your crops down and being glad that you do not have a bug plague anymore.

>while in a slow board they can be a massive part of the atmosphere and mood, hanging around threads for long long time.

Yeah, not sure the right "atmosphere" consists on low effort shitposts that eventually make every single thread converge on the same handful of topics, lhat are not even related to the board. This is why people don't stay around, because we do not actually talk about cyberpunk. Even those dig deeper than surface level. It would be like being brave enough to go past Vlad's impaled heads, expecting to find a cool country past that, only to find it's a country composed of impaled heads.

>is not the same as grow it inside you or embrace it

I don't think anyone actually unironically loves degeneracy. Just like nobody would actually want megacorps to exist, or 12 hour wageslave shifts, or nanomachines that can hack your brain, or sky high crime quotas. As I said before, "it is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it". Cyberpunk is supposed to be about dystopias, and degeneracy is very dystopic. At this point it is also a staple of the genre maybe even bigger than implants, so I dunno why everyone is so deeply offended by it.

>>53622

>Most of the time, whenever you try to come up with some general rule as to what can be done or not in literature, someone will be able to come up with a counterexample that breaks the rule

Then you're pretty bad at it. No need to project it on everyone else's capabilities.

>We do know, for example, cyberpunk is supposed to be at least somewhat futuristic or dealing with current day cutting edge technology

I don't think that it is absolutely necessary, though it definitely helps. Other -punks are mostly settings, not jenres, while you could pull of events natural to cyberpunk in an older setting, even though the further in the past we go the less an individual is capable of and so the harder it is to make up something adequate.

>The possibilities are nearly endless, and trying to restrict more the genre would kill any possibility of progress it may have

You seem to try to define a setting, while i offered to create a definition of a genre.

>Most genres can be defined in a small elevator pitch, but more often than not, a single sentence. Later on, by association by similarities, and not by pressuring a story in a mold too tight, you may make further classifications in function on how similar they sound to a given description.

Sure, don't see a problem here.

>Noir is a genre about crime

Not really, it's more about mystery, misery and hopelessness. Noir story can be without crime but it can't exist without hopeless struggle through unclear path.

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Wikipedia is better at describing than explaining or defining, partially because of their reliance on common sources. i wouldn't use it to understand politics, philosophy or non-hard sciences like psychology.

>So, take out the last two sentences, since they are just "shoulds", and not "musts"

Sure, no definition is perfect and nothing is capable of preventing altreations from happening. I'll just point out that the thing about post-cyberpunk is that it, while copying the setting, removes the whole feel and atmosphere of the genre simply by changing its structure, leaving decorations intact.

>Really, we have to stop trying to laser cut the "official" definition of cyberpunk to suit a very limited form of cyberpunk

>suit a very limited form of cyberpunk

Which is not what i'm proposing.

>they believe there is a single cyberpunk aesthetic

They confuse the genre with a single setting, that's their problem. When you only look up to a single ancestor as a standard of a genre you'll not progress beyond it, only combine existing tropes into another relative of the first thing.

>The definition is vague enough to define both sides, which is good because it is flexible

Then don't use a definition at all, if its flexibility that you look for, go on, turn this place into /b/. Flexibility is good when it doesn't flex the core that makes the genre special.

>are low life

Doesn't matter. I'd much prefer nihilistic opportunistic dressed in a bulletproof smoking CEO of a data collection agency over all this degenerate shit that you seem to embrace so much. Being human waste and for others to look down is one thing, proclaiming it as your symbol is a whole another story. Again, i wish everyone choke on this cancerous pseudo definition who uses it.

>completely unrelated to the topic at hand, sometimes intentionally misinterpreting what someone said just to stir up drama), usually one-liners, in an attempt to derail the thread

That's shitposting, anon, it exists in every thread on every board. It's natural for imageboards and is not always someone's masterplan. Cyberpunk has plenty of struggle against poverty, degeneracy and even apathy in their heroes as it has these things in total. Then why should it be about it and not against it?

>>53628 (2)

>53551

A shitpost as a response to an oblivious and idealistic post of someone who opened himself by showind his lack of knowledge on "subculture towns". it's still a shitpost but i could find you plenty of those that are the opposite, even the post this one responded to would suffice.

>53605

That's /pol/ indeed. it's their leftist vision still, though, and it is as valid as some leftist sperging about muh megacorps and using cyberpunk as an example.

>52084

if you look at this thread you could have a few conclusions about what happened: there was a /lit/ poster asking about japan and how it's cool and stuff. He got rejected and his points countered. he got butthurt and started defending his holy grail with the only thing his simple mind had - personal attacks and insults. The end. It could be that the first post was made by another user, even if it does look like it's intended to create a circlejerk around jp. Then, it's still some butthurt snowflake had hurt feelings and caused this mess.

>Taler thread (despite actually being an interesting topic

There was nothing interesting in another backdoored cryptocurrency that would fuck in the ass every stallmanite that would try to use it. That is, if they actually had any brouzouf to spend.

>you can see what happens when you nuke from orbit da gommies

Not much was lost and it had to be done. If not now, then later. Communists have been shitting this board with their presence for too long. Even this "cyberpunks movement" is the worst that is in the current definition multiplied on their movement.

>I am fairly convinced there may be a malicious agent inside, maybe even playing both sides, who doesn't want to subvert the board but to kill it

It's either some very sneaky guy or it's not real. I know how nuking board goes - controversial spam is a reliable strategy and it's not it here. Especially since this place have had attracted some very unusual persons, like spiritual types, screaming about getting out of their brains you monkeys antievolutionists-tier, or something similar.

>You mean shitting on your own plate?

I mean cutting off the diseased limb and burning the wound to prevent the bacteria from spreading further.

>This is why people don't stay around, because we do not actually talk about cyberpunk

If you don't like it, i'm sure /leftypol/ will welcome you. I care about this pace and have no intention to stop. I'm also supporting any quality discussion that is not within the borders of political movements or virtue signalizing. The board has already been in decline for a while so the conflict was bound to happen and i'm sure about what choice should be made.

>Just like nobody would actually want megacorps to exist, or 12 hour wageslave shifts, or nanomachines that can hack your brain, or sky high crime quotas

All these things, as well as degeneracy itself, as i have already pointed out, have their pros and cons and can be viewed as positive, even if not necessary resulting in net improvements if they did exist. Some would love to live among uneducated to be the wisest of all, it doesn't mean they like being uneducated.

>I dunno why everyone is so deeply offended by it

Because you try to make it THE genre, not part of it, but the essence of it, the thing that all else revolves around.

If as much effort was put into posts in other threads as the novels in this one the whole board would be a lot better.

>>53628

>Then you're pretty bad at it. No need to project it on everyone else's capabilities.

Lol no. I don't make up stupid rules, I just pick'em up from the dumb shit I have read on the Internet. You know that unwritten rule that says only beginners write in first person? I have seen people commenting on it several times, but explained much less. Apparently, it has to do with the overuse of "I", that makes the writing seem too repetitive and simplistic. Well, turns out that only happens in English, since other languages have plenty of tools to deal with first person, and even then, you can try real hard to avoid it, if you are not a beginner. There is also this unwritten rule about ending the story with a suicide, that gets pulled off correctly on a regular basis. Even the goldenest of "rules" in writing, the "show, don't tell", was broken on a regular basis by Lovecraft, and nobody would dare to call him a bad writer, because he told so well it was a decent substitute to showing.

They are deductions that arose from premature induction, and thus can have lots of exceptions, which, contrary to popular belief, does not confirm the rule.

>I don't think that it is absolutely necessary, though it definitely helps. Other -punks are mostly settings, not jenres, while you could pull of events natural to cyberpunk in an older setting, even though the further in the past we go the less an individual is capable of and so the harder it is to make up something adequate.

I am having some trouble thinking up how would cyberpunk even work in a medieval setting, or anything before that, unless you went full retard with the alternative history aspect to the point it may as well not be called medieval. Given, you may come up with some really neat *punks, which I like as well, but not cyberpunk. While not all cyberpunk stories have technology as a central piece or motivation, advanced technology is always very present in cyberpunk.

Other *punks may have become a proper genre within time, had they been explored further, but the only genre that was properly explored was steampunk, which was supposed to be just like cyberpunk (I once heard a legend that steampunk was supposed to be an experiment on "reskinning" cyberpunk, while still keeping its feel and philosophy), but with time ended up being little more than a poseur aesthetic, where every character ends up being a bourgeois nobleman with a cane, an overdesigned monocle, a ridiculous top hat, a thick British accent, and some quirk that makes them anything between eccentric and whacky. All other *punk genres, however, have few examples to be able to induct a message or common themes, and thus they remain a setting or an aesthetic, more than a proper genre.

>Not really, it's more about mystery, misery and hopelessness.

No, noir is about crime, or at the very least morally questionable stuff. I could write a story about a poor man dying of an unknown disease, where all doctors are doing their best in finding a proper diagnose or cure against the clock to no avail, and you could check all the adjectives you gave, but nobody would ever call this noir, just a plain old tragedy with some medical mystery sprinkled in.

>>53642 (cont)

>post-cyberpunk

Could you please expand on what you mean by post-cyberpunk? I have seen two possible definitions being used, being "a setting where humanity has either overcome (either going full blown utopia, or just not dystopic) or succumbed to (read: post-apocalypse, like what happened with Cyberpunk V3, which of course has never existed and we should never talk about it again) cyberpunk", or what many people around here knoe as neo-cyberpunk, which is just a more modern spin on cyberpunk, where the focus is put on a different set of problems (like, for example, old cyberpunk assuming technology is "sincere", and you can simply steal a super secret program and run it in your system to achieve exactly what it says on the tin; whereas neo-cyberpunk will probably play on the paranoia aspect that, on the program, or your system itself, there may be a backdoor that calls back home whenever this is run) that we have discovered by exploring real world technology more in depth. I wouldn't really want to throw away the first group if their topics are remotely related to cyberpunk, but I could understand if they were banned, but arguing against neo-cyberpunk is just the kind of pedantic elitism that killed the board once.

>Flexibility is good when it doesn't flex the core that makes the genre special.

The core of cyberpunk is indeed the high tech, which is self explanatory, and the low life, which represents the dystopia and how much the world sucks. Sure, there are some people for whom the world doesn't suck, namely megacorp CEO who are so dettached from the world they never get affected by the disgraces of the vast majority of mortals and even then probably have their own set of problems, like psychopathy, or countless plots to assasinate or usurp them, but 99.9% of the people are probably fucked, and that 0.01% is probably nose deep in corruption as well.

>I'd much prefer nihilistic opportunistic dressed in a bulletproof smoking CEO of a data collection agency over all this degenerate shit that you seem to embrace so much. Being human waste and for others to look down is one thing, proclaiming it as your symbol is a whole another story. Again, i wish everyone choke on this cancerous pseudo definition who uses it.

<cyberpunk should be exclusively about the cool guy who has a lot of brouzouf and happens to share my exact ideology and basically become a power fantasy

Not saying you can not make a cyberpunk story about this, but claiming we have to represent the board with something that would be pretty much a novelty in the genre is not very logical. It sounds a bit like what game journalists attempted to do with walking simulators.

>That's shitposting, anon, it exists in every thread on every board.

Yes, but the shitpost-to-post ratio in the board is already as low as it gets. You don't need to contribute to put the balance clearly in favour of shitposting.

>>53629

>There was nothing interesting in another backdoored cryptocurrency that would fuck in the ass every stallmanite that would try to use it. That is, if they actually had any brouzouf to spend.

It's not a cryptocurrency but a payment system. If you'd read the Governments page, you would see payments are anonymous, but receptions (that is, the merchant) are not. That alone already puts it above current credit card payments or PayPal. The taxation comes from probably a public ledger where importation and exportation of currency into or out of the Taler network are registered. The Governments page says so very explicitly, that in order to track payments, the government has to have a current control system already in place.

The issue here is that you took upon yourself being the vigilante of this board, in absence of the mod. Whenever you see a topic you do not like, you act like jury, judge and executioner, and kill any threads that have a vague hint of leftist politics (at least in your mind), to apply scorched earth tactics over the board. The Taler thread was plenty fine, and you still decided to bully it into submission because it looked at you funny. You won't get a healthy board like this, specially when many threads in the first pages have been prematurely executed like this.

>>53643 (cont)

>It's either some very sneaky guy or it's not real.

What about >>53611? I am not sure on how many levels of keikaku that guy is, but the post reeks of destabilization attempt. May just be some guy being terribly obvious in order to illustrate how ridiculous it would be to bite the bait, but in case it is sincere, we may have a problem if next time he becomes slightly less obvious.

>Some would love to live among uneducated to be the wisest of all, it doesn't mean they like being uneducated.

Sounds to me like the people who would love for a zombie apocalypse to happen, because they would be cool survivors. More than likely, you would be eating brains like the rest.

>>53640

It would lower the PPH even more. Sure, we would get pure unadulterated quality, but most users don't like reading essays (much less writing them) and had rather just read two paragraph posts at best. We would drive the ADHD users looking for instant gratification away, though, which would probably be a good thing.

>>53613

Cyberpunk has always been political. I think the main issue here is that everyone seems to think it falls entirely on one side of the political spectrum rather than having aspects of both. Cyberpunk can be ultra-libertarian, or some commie pipe dream, but it really depends on the observer's perspective. If it's possible for people to hold different political beliefs, is it that outlandish to think that everyone who likes /cyber/ agrees with you politically?

>>53645

No, I was just saying you should not discuss fucking age of consent of all things in here. Keep your dick in your pants and open a thread to debate that in another board, because it has shit all to do with cyberpunk.

>>53645

Fair point. Though I think that /pol/tard might have brought that up as an attempt to bait the thread.

>>53642

>I don't make up stupid rules, I just pick'em up from the dumb shit I have read on the Internet

So you haven't even tried. Good job.

>I am having some trouble thinking up how would cyberpunk even work in a medieval setting

It could be a story that revolves around invention of book printing press, where it would allow members of aristocracy to reduce influence of church or something. It is hard to do because there were little events like this and little actors that whose acts would be affected by these events, as well as much slower flow of time, etc. That's why i said that the less technology there is the less an individual is capable of and less room there is for a cyberpunk story.

>Given, you may come up with some really neat *punks

Other *punks are nothing more but very specific settings, not really genres.

>advanced technology is always very present in cyberpunk

You mean it's always present in all present works? Because what there is today doesn't limit what can be done in the future. A genre shouldn't be limited by its first established works.

>Other *punks may have become a proper genre within time

Maybe, for now they are not.

>I once heard a legend that steampunk was supposed to be an experiment on "reskinning" cyberpunk

Probably, i remember terrible writing adivice on the topic where he talked about how steampunk can talk about societal change and reuse trope around industrial revolution, with aristocracy being outrun by guilds and factories, uneducated masses fighting for money, imperialism, women's and child rights rights and the beginning of shaping of the industrial age. These all things, no matter what their status is nowadays, can be used within the genre. That's unfortunate that this all has been reduced to simply a pompous setting.

>No, noir is about crime, or at the very least morally questionable stuff

A classical story in noir is a detective that looks for a missing person. The person doesn't have to be killed, or even appear at all, not does any crime have to, although it helps. You could still create an unwelcoming mood as the detective wanders around some moody places only to be met with annoyance and distrust. Though yes, i have to add pursuit and struggle to this approximate definition.

>>53220

Back to Re**it with you.

>>53667

blah blah blah, that's all i see

>>53664

Reporting in.

>Dissecting the Communist Attack

Hail victory!

>>53722

This tbh. It's pointless to argue on what we argue. Just argue, and if you don't like it, don't pay attention to it. Just make threads you would like to see (yes, this takes effort, but this board ain't gonna de-derezz itself), and reply sincerely to threads you like. Really, this may come off as stupid, given we are in a fucking imageboard of all places, but put some effort in your posts and everything will be okay.

>>53590

this

and all these images proves no one knows a thing about cyber security; therefore making this board a larp zone

>>53760

<We should disable images on this imageboard

Fucking lol. Thanks for the laugh anon.

>>53805

>t. Norman Larper

>>53722

I'd rather it be dead than filled with /pol/tard newfags, but now we're both.

Elitism isn't the problem. Lack of linking off-site to build the community is the problem. Honestly, I prefer linking to arisuchan just because of how shitty 8chan's community is.

>>53810

>I prefer linking to arisuchan just because of how shitty 8chan's community is.

Hate to say it user but if you can't handle the "community" here maybe you don't belong here :-/

>>53810

What issue do you have with /pol/, besides the occasional nazi larper that is?

And the nazi larper shit doesn't really count as an issue, because only half the faggots claiming to be ethnonationalists or neonazis are actually serious. most are just trolling and if it bothers you that much you should probably take that steel pole out of your ass, and maybe sanitize it or something.

>>53939

>And the nazi larper shit doesn't really count as an issue, because only half the faggots claiming to be ethnonationalists or neonazis are actually serious

>most are just trolling

Ironic shitposting is still shitposting

>if it bothers you that much you should probably take that steel pole out of your ass, and maybe sanitize it or something.

Most people would rather just leave the board altogether, and then you get a million threads of "durr, why is /cyber/ dead?"

>>53942

Maybe your should leave since you're so bothered by them. They're never going anywhere. We share the same site you fuck wit.

>>53950

It's tedious all the same.

>>53951

Maybe for you.

>>51236

>Fuck lainchan, it's ran by commies

I wish that were true.

>>54078

I wish leftists knew basic grammar before they shit up foreign boards with their presence.

>>51257

>I wish this board would just admit that this is all fiction and stick with making cool fiction

I have a thread dedicated to that.

>>51372

I am at this point now. idk if all the {kiki,jews,nigger} spewing shazzbots believe what they are saying but I pretty much don't care - they are unfixable social imbeciles who derail threads more valuable than the sum of all content they have ever posted, reliably.

I think do not feed the trolls has to be the best policy. You can't win an argument. They are astro-turfing /cyber/ and are looking for an argument.

Just don't reply to anyone espusing non-sense. Let it past. Reply to OP, keep board on topic.

>>55176

They do have a point though

>>51231

simple, we need good threads and content

The biggest problem this board has is the tryhard cancer that has been festering.

If we want this board to live, we need to welcome people who don't know anything about cyberpunk and get them into it.

For that, we need to start ditching the shit that belongs on /gentoo/ and /pol/. Keep hacker shit to hacker boards. Keep OS elitism to OS boards. Keep tech shit to tech boards. Those are all things that are PART of cyberpunk, not things that are intrinsically cyberpunk.

Quit acting like a bunch of fucking dickheads and shitting on every repost and gay little idea. Enjoy cyberpunk and spread the culture.

>>55246

Please explain clearly what you expect to be posted here then.

/Cyber/ 's biggest problem is that it doesn't exist and that we have to create it. We are not going to create a new subculture out of chaos by random syllables, we have to adopt exiting motifs, ideas, and culture artifacts.

Cyber as an asethic is defined. Cyberpunk as fiction is defined. Cyberpunk universes are defined. What a 'cyperpunk' as a person is , is not well defined. To be in some sense sane, it should probably be associated with the cyberpunk aesthetic, and elements of cyberpunk fiction like hackers, and "high tech".

On a practical day to day, thread level, this means having conversations about tech and OS stuff.

>>55246

The thing is, IRL /cyber/ is very much an intersection of /pol/ and /tech/.

I started to post here so one person more. We can post links to this board on other chans and services like reddit or other shit

>>55251

Can we cut down the /pol/ intersectionalism? You are starting to look like feminists, for fuck's sake.

Classic cyberpunk "heroes" gave not a single shit about politics, because most of them were hired Chaotic Neutrals. Fuck, the stories themselves usually had little to do with politics at all. If anything, classic cyberpunk is either /x/ or /phi/ with /tech/, and if you are inserting /pol/ into the mix to represent state-induced techparanoia, that is:

>a) Not /pol/ because fuckers think they are safe from that using Windows of all things

>b) Realistic and contemporaneous

>c) Common sense

Even /k/ makes much more sense to throw into the mix. The "/pol/ is everything everywhere" meme has to die.

>>55251

Fuck Off. Not a single cyberpunk writer espoused anything like /pol/ ever. Every single cyberpunk writer had beliefs that are 100% an anathema to /pol/.

>>55258

>muh horseshoe feminist nazi intersectionalism

None to be found here, sorry to disappoint.

Totalitarian governments and corporations using advanced communications and computer technologies like the Internet, VR, and cyberspace to subdue or otherwise coerce the population is both inherently /cyber/ and /pol/. Likewise, those same technologies being used to subvert said attempts at population control or corporate tyranny for any reasons even personal ones also qualify. Whether or not it is done for monetary or political/corporate motivations is completely irrelevant. Not all cyberpunk has to be nihilistic in nature, though a large amount certainly is.

The subject matter of those other boards certainly have a lot to do with /cyber/ as well, just forgot to mention them- as those subjects also get a lot of discussion in the realm of politics, mainstream or fringe. I suppose it would have been a good idea to include them in that post to cut down on the hysterical reactions from specific individuals.

>>55259

Jesus you're unhinged. Do I have to specifically and vehemently disavow every ideology you hate for retards like you not to sperg so hard?

Anyway, claiming an entire genre of literature is the sole domain of a specific social or political class/group is quite the bullshit argument. A neo-nazi is just as capable of writing a cyberpunk story as any lolbert or neo-commie is, though I myself align more with the /liberty/ crowd.

>>55260

>Totalitarian governments and corporations using advanced communications and computer technologies like the Internet, VR, and cyberspace to subdue or otherwise coerce the population is both inherently /cyber/ and /pol/

One intresting feature of Cyber Punk Dystopia is that government is frequently absent or irrelevant. Power has been subsumed not by governments, but by corporations. A cyberpunk dystopia could occur with a totalitarian state, however embracing the politics of that dystopia is not cyberpunk - from a cyberpunk fiction perspective the machinations of the dystopia are irrelevant, they are only scenery for the characters. So, if you are trying to say, metacommentary on the dystopia /pol/ seeks to bring in is cyberpunk it is. If you are trying to say embracing the politics of /pol/ is cyberpunk, thats retarded and not a convincing argument.

>Jesus you're unhinged. Do I have to specifically and vehemently disavow every ideology you hate for retards like you not to sperg so hard?

This board has a huge problem with shazzbots shilling /pol/ and disrupting every single thread. Specifically /pol/ . I think that metacommentary on /pol/ , there methods, and the role they play in society is on topic and cyber. I think saying "/pol/ is /cyber/ " is misleading at best, and shilling at worst. Embracing the politics and espousing /pol/ doctrine is not /cyber/. Metacommentary is.

>>55246

so make the board even more of an autistic LARP than it already is? good idea.

>>55281

There is nothing left after removing everything he suggested.

/Cyber/ is 水-asthetics , self-reliance, individualism,and most importantly high technology including hacking. On a day to day, thread level basis, that is going to mean discussions about niche technology stuff : Analog Radio Design, or Discussions about Computer Architecture, or Desktop Alternatives.

>>55283

I don't think its realistic to start an anarchist community here. I personally don't think politics are all that /cyber/. Cyber seems to depict individuals struggling against a corrupt dystopia with a hyper individualist nihilism. Case doesn't care about the effects of unleashing unbound AI on the net, he just wants to run. I don't think cyber has to agree on some coherent political narrative to discuss what a cyber-lifestyle might look like. I think some kind of pluralism is probably best. Talk about your cyber-anarchism, just don't shill it, or derail everythread about it.

>>55284

I have no idea what it is I am talking about, the post.

>>55285

brool story co. Cyberpunk is a genre of science fiction. There is no established cyberpunk lifestyle. The board is a random amalgamation of technology, conspiracy theory, aesthetic, and lists of books/movies/comics.

whatever the fuck fringe ideology you want to buy into called "cyber-anarchism" has no established street movement or history, and barley plays a role online much less in actual politics.

Your condescendtion about needing to root "lifestyle" in "cyber-ararchism" in order not to be "heedy futurists" is not only pattent bullshit, its not even coneccted to the culture of this board. We say shazzbot here, shazzbot. Most people do not root "lifestyle" decisions in any kind "theory of economics" or politics.

The users of these boards will never agree on a coherent "theory of economics" nor is trying to agree on one inherently /cyber/ in anyway - this is not a forum for the discussion of political-economy.

Make a cyber-anarchism thread, discuss your ideas or w/e you want. but, fuckoff thinking you know anymore about an unestablished and ill defined "cyberpunk lifestyle" than anyone else, or that we must root decisions about what wallpaper we use, what asthetic we consume, what music we listen to, what skills we learn, or anything else in your "theory of economics"

>>55286

>There is no established cyberpunk lifestyle.

high tech, low life. you got the low life part down.

> whatever the fuck fringe ideology you want to buy into called "cyber-anarchism" has no established street movement or history, and barley plays a role online much less in actual politics.

top fucking zuz

>most people do not root "lifestyle" decisions in any kind "theory of economics" or politics.

you clearly live in moms basement.

>we must root decisions about what wallpaper we use, what asthetic we consume, what music we listen to, what skills we learn, or anything else

top zuz. take your adderall.

>>55283

>cyber-anarchism

I assume most of the board is like that

>>55287

Nice formatting newfag, also what the fuck is zuz?

>>55283

>cyber-anarchism

<AKA another gay leftist movement that is absolutely no different from any other NPC breeding ground tries hard to LARP as another fiction genre.

You have to go back

>Without a theory of economics and lifestyle ideals you will get nowhere

Then get somewhere by taking yourself out, newnigger.

>>55287

>reddit spacing

>zuz

>>>/gaschamber/

>high tech, low life

"Gay shazbot, kill yourself" should be the default response to anyone who posts this crap.

>>55293

Kek wordfilters into zuz. Zuz was used early on in full/v/ as a kék replacement after they discovered Life is Strange appropriated kék in some of the dialogues.

>>55356

>political shit-stirrer thinks he can disrespect the zuz

Begone, fifth exoduser.

>>55357

>reddit-spacing nigger tries to look like an oldfag

>>>/reddit/ and stay there

>>51344

This is actually insiteful..

However, this exact same world has emerged for mobile. Perhaps rooting your phone is the most /cyber/ thing you can do. But then, the act of installing Linux has to be something of a cyberpunk momement too: The machines come with a priopetary, serveilance enabled OS - Win7 Starter wouldn't let you change your background. Stephenson described a live linux CD as like a virus taking over the computer in his essay "In the Begining there was the command line". There is something inheritantly punk/subversive about choosing linux.

>>51231

Well, its actually now or never. Board is basically dead but functional. We probably need an infusion from lainchain, or arisu exiles. /Cyber/ boards are dying. Post shazzbots.

>>57432

>There is something inheritantly punk/subversive about choosing linux.

I don't disagree but it feels lame as fuck

>>57451

>>57451

>>>57432

>>There is something inheritantly punk/subversive about choosing linux.

>I don't disagree but it feels lame as fuck

Why? I kind agree. Its just not alt enough to be punk. OpenBSD is 水 though. Real Niggas use TempleOS

>>57458

Because it's too easy i guess and most distros market themselves as friendly as they can

>this thread

God, I hate niggers and jews so much.

>>57458

>Real Niggas use TempleOS

This

>>55246

Indeed. I am an eternal baka.

>find nu-8chan

>boards like are gone

>try cyber

>hmm sticky

>load up tor

>neither chat rooms working

>>can't connect? see bullshit link!

>control f to see if thread talks of problem

>doesn't

>find this thread in catalog

>post bitching

>leave board and site to hang out on halfchan for the soul purpose of venting venom and nothing else as imageboards have nothing else to offer unless you want to remain lonely for months at a time

*shrugs*

>>51232

Abhorrent moderation loves to censor far too often. This is why people go back to half.

>>51247

>confusing 4chan with reddit

>>58209

>replying to posts from 2.5 years ago