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“Your existence is a momentary lapse of reason.”

File: 403b6eb822eafa5⋯.jpg (35.37 KB, 484x497, 484:497, 1540750514720.jpg)

 No.52592[Last 50 Posts]

What happened to the Internet of old? Where are we now and how did we get here? I'm cold and alone. Where are we going from here?

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 No.52593

Well, instead of moping, lets post old site clones!

VidLii.com - clone of 2006 yt

BitView.net - clone of 2005 yt (owned by the same person)

FriendProject.net - clone of old FB

Geocities.ws - clone of GeoCities

Let's post some more!

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 No.52594

>>52593

Thanks for the links; I'll check em out. Is Geocities.ws really a clone of Geocities? It looks like some corporate cash-in on the name to me.

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 No.52595

>>52594

Geocities.ws runs another hosting thing called "Gridhoster" to pay for its free hosting. It uses excess brouzouf to archive old geocities pages, at least according to it.

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 No.52597

Holy shit this is /cyber/, not /blogpost.

To answer your question, it happened what happen to everything: It evolved

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 No.52598

>>52597

Forgot this: Go to /ddn/

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 No.52601

>>52597

Oh sorry, I forgot to not post at all because /cyber/ is a ghost town

Apologies chummer

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 No.52602

File: 93e68ab29ecf954⋯.png (115.55 KB, 640x480, 4:3, Silicon Valley.png)

What happened? Megacorp shills are monopolizing the net.

Don't feel too lonely, anon. We're still here. For now.

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 No.52603

File: e8aa3404e3331f1⋯.jpg (31.41 KB, 350x350, 1:1, terry_feels.jpg)

>>52592

Regression toward the mean, like the browning of the planet, or mammals and shitty proto-birds outliving dinosaurs.

Things that are exceptionally average are the things that tend to survive.

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 No.52604

>>52601

>cyber/ is a ghost town

No it is not

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 No.52610

File: 568edaa6ec1303c⋯.gif (97.01 KB, 300x545, 60:109, signon.gif)

<Eternal September

>Usenet slang for a period beginning in September 1993 the month that Internet service provider America Online began offering Usenet access to its many users, overwhelming the existing culture for online forums.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

https://infogalactic.com/info/Eternal_September

Normies happened.

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 No.52616

>>52593

These are great. Thanks.

FriendProject seems more like MySpace than FB though.

>>52602

>>52610

These are both the true answer to the question. Megacorps are trashing that "wild west" feel that the Internet used to have. Additionally the internet has gradually become easier to access by fucking retards who ruin everything.

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 No.52618

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>>52616

>easier to access

That's really what makes things into crap, isn't it? It would have been fine enough if the only ones to access the internet were the ones smart enough to do so way back when. Now, unironically, 3 year olds are shitposting and making a mess of things.

The only real decent places left are the ones in which you are shunned for not having the knowledge one would only gain through lurking a certain amount of time, or places that are otherwise inaccessible through mainstream web browsing methods.

Then, now, you also get another problem with elitism and muh sekrit club which, in moderation, is healthy to repel insufferable newfags, but in the long run, always ends up in actual members getting shunned for crap reasons.

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 No.52619

>>52618

It's not to say that there hasn't always been retards online. The difference between then and now is the barrier of entry. Back then people had to have a certain level of technical competence to get connected. This meant that there was both a common intellectual and, perhaps more importantly, a common cultural starting point for all users. This helped create a world that was separate from the banalities of real life. That sort of encompassing cultural identity has faded away as the demographics of your average internet user has shifted to reflect that of society as a whole.

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 No.52624

>>52618

Web 2.0 was a mistake

Actually I think the problem is not that the net is easier to access, its that its easier to participate. People don't know what they're doing but want to play along, so they end up misusing memes for example.

But another problem is when the internet was difficult, what you talk about being smart enough to access, only people that really cared/wanted to, would actually participate. Now people do it because its their job, they make posts and take no pride in it

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 No.52626

File: 8f2959a888c5554⋯.png (34.15 KB, 450x367, 450:367, 1496282447411.png)

>you will never be a young dude in the early 2000s building up your Geocities webpage on your oldish Windows 98 beige box, waiting for your mp3s to download on Kazaa, exploring virtual environments in Active Worlds, making thousands of new friends and adding them on MSN, reading honest reviews for the latest games in PCMags, with no normalfags online, no social networking, no real world identities online, only handles and avatars to express yourself according to your imagination and internet consolidation yet to reach its peak.

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 No.52631

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 No.52632

>>52626

It hurts so much. My other siblings got to experience this while I was caught up in meatspace.

I still have fond memories of brother on 4chan, listening to sandstorm all the time, and sister on napster, torrenting all kind of trash pop music.

I got in too late, but just early enough to get a taste of what the world wide web was like in (not so) olden times.

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 No.52640

The future is here. It’s just not widely distributed yet.

>>>/y2k/

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 No.52649

>>52626

You're wrong. I was there. I saw just how much better everything on the internet was back then. I saw how the rise of a free communications medium had the potential to break through established economic and social barriers and create a better world without so much needless restriction and poverty, and I saw the normalfags ruin it just like they ruin everything beautiful. They're subhuman mongrels who should have been exterminated many years ago. That dream would have been realized without the masses of stupid Americunts spreading their busybody faggotry and social power games. That dream needs to come back, and we have to bring it back any way we can.

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 No.52650

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 No.52655

>>52649

As the poster of that lamentation, what do you suggest? Because it feels like we went past the point of no return and now our information superhighway has been debauched beyond repair.

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 No.52663

>>52655

Fuck the shazbots. Let them keep the net they turned to shit. We'll just build a new one, from the ground up. Meshnets, or something p2p like i2p or freenet would be a good way to go. The most important part would be to make it difficult/unappealing to set up, or visit sites. We all know normalfags wouldn't use it if it took any effort. That's why web 2.0 fucked the oldnet. All of a sudden retards got the ability to easily find things on the net, and spread their cancer to something they had no real interest in.

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 No.52664

>>52663

I have hopes for alternatives to the Web. They do seem quite far off at the moment from creating anything substantial, but I definitely believe that establishing certain standards (e.g. minimal Web 1.0 type design) the norm would be the way to go. It would never be the same, but it'd be a start. People think the Web today is all about user-participation and creation but it's actually the opposite. If you are attractive to Google your content will be featured and heard/seen, but otherwise you're effectively outside the city walls desperately crying out to be heard. Web 1.0 was already about the user created content because corps hadn't consolidated it and everyone had to make their own little webpages and content. Searching wasn't paid-for "catered" results bullshit either and mostly people found things by hyperlinks making the Web more of an experience of wonder. The people who were on the Web were also people actually interested in it as an "experience" rather than it as an extension of their "real" lives, so the content that was there was much more authentic and personal.

Maybe we're just turning into those old dudes we blasted for speaking about the "good old days" but I gotta say, despite the high speed connection nowadays, everything really has turned to shit. The NPC meme, as silly as it is, represents a deeply true aspect of reality; most people in the world are basically drones with no inner-voice, just floating about as actors spewing whatever they're programmed to spew. Everything pure and good is ruined by them, and I think this is an insight that the former generations lack. Normalfags/NPCs/etc. exist in every generation and it isn't the youth that have some inherent drive to destroy, but a vast majority of people in general that are incapable of any sort of deep appreciation for anything except themselves as "I."

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 No.52671

>>52663

Wouldn't building a new net be horribly resource heavy ? I'd love it, but is it realistic ?

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 No.52674

>>52663

There is nothing wrong with current technology. TCP/IP works just fine and has done so for the last 40 years. Even if you make some clever 1337 haxor only network you better hope it doesn't get popular, because if it does, some fag somewhere will write a wrapper around your clever hacks and make it 1-click accessible. But there is no need for normalfag protection when google and facebook already did it for us. For free. Only problem is it has become too effective…

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 No.52683

>>52671

The main draw of meshnets is they aren't that resource intensive, so anyone with a decent pc should be able to get a site up and running. Their main limitation is range and connection speed, so any net set up would be pretty short distance. P2P solves the connection issue, but since it runs over the normal internet you lose your privacy, unless the traffic is obscured somehow.

>>52674

We don't have to make any new technology, we just need to make it work for us. Most normalfags are terrified of (((darknets))) because the media tells them to be, and the ones who are brave enough to enter don't usually stay since there's nothing for them to do - i.e. post pictures of themselves, like videos, etc. If we made a new Internet, it would probably be seen the same way. The normalfags will stay on the first Internet, since that's what has everything they're interested in.

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 No.52684

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>>52663

Why not just load up a BBS? Telnet is beyond 99% of normies.

And then we can play Trade Wars again.

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 No.52685

>>52684

The issue is that the "Internet," or as it could be called "CorpNet," is not unlike an addictive drug. You sit or lie placated with the constant and infinite streams of "entertainment" and services on which we've become dependent. Kaczynski was right when he said that whenever a new technology is developed or improved upon, we don't become necessarily any happier, and neither do our lives necessarily become easier, but rather we merely exchange one dependence for another, with the old thing becoming obsolete and effectively useless. The situation of CorpNet is very similar to the situation with operating systems, namely the question, "is convenience of more value than freedom?" GNU/Linux or whatever other open source OS frees you from the shackles of corp enslavement, at least as far as software is concerned, but you lose the ability to participate as easily as others within the framework of a fundamentally integrated part of modern civilization (e.g. the use of proprietary software). The same is true for Cyberspace. It has been gentrified and consolidated to a point of no return and rejecting it for something such as BBS is not unlike the process of getting clean from heroin or something of that nature. Of course, as many people dual boot OSes whether they admit it or not, you could use both cyberspaces, making small incursions into CorpNet for various utilitarian purposes but could you keep away from it? We are genuinely enslaved to it, after all.

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 No.52686

>>52601

>no shitposts for over 30 minutes

>the forum must be dead

Seriously, though, while /cyber/ is moving quite slowly, it's not remotely dead. You just have to be patient and preferably not post emo whining about things being better in the old days.

>>52593

As others said, it evolved. It's a different net now, not necessarily better or worse, but very different.

On the other hand, we had a thread about oldschool BBS. I proceeded to create a BBS due to popular demand and am still running it to this day. At home on a small SoC, as oldschool as I can without a modem.

People registered and never used it, so don't pretend you care about the oldschool internet. Users who complain here just want to whine and mope about something, you don't actually long for a nostalgic experience.

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 No.52687

>>52686

>preferably not post emo whining about things being better in the old days

Why are you so hostile towards expressions of emotion? Do you have some legit autistic-spectrum disorder where you don't understand it or do you just feel so repressed that it makes you feel resentful?

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 No.52691

>>52687

I don't mind expressing emotions, but "the modern internet sucks" is not an emotion, it's an opinion devoid of constructive suggestion and offers little value in a discussion.

You do you, but if you're gonna quote one single sentence, ignoring the rest and then insult me based on that, you're not going to reach me.

Go ahead, express your anger and wallow in sadness.

I get a strong sense of nostalgia as well, hence why I tried to set up something at least resembling the old net. I'm fairly sure that's an expression of emotion.

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 No.52693

>>52655

Other people in this thread are talking about using meshnets and such to totally restructure the internet, but this isn't going to solve the core problem, which is normalfags. >>52674 is right. There are enough goddamn sellouts in the tech community that whatever technical barriers we deploy to keep normalfags out will be circumvented by the sellouts to help facilitate the normalfag/corpgov goal of ruining everything.

>>52664

This is just spot on. It's amazing how stupidly naive pre-millennial generations of nerds/geeks were about normalfags. If you look at nerd media made by them, it's not difficult to find characters who have a grudge against society for some reason, because the question of how to deal with a hostile society was often on the minds of its viewers and creators due to this media being targeted at social outsiders. But those characters have a hard time even getting their grievances addressed at all, let alone acknowledged as meaningful. When they do get a response, it generally trivializes what they've been through or at best pleads with them to have patience with the normalfags and their endless goddamn reservoir of deliberate idiocy. They told them (and by proxy the alienated portion of the citizenry i.e. us) that the normalfags are only like this because they believe the government and the media, and that all we have to do to fix them is get the truth out and expose the lies of the establishment, not realizing that the normalfags approve of this dystopian hellhole because they love to get offended in order to climb the social ladder and just to have somebody to pick on. We can see that the world is worse by comparing the modern world with the dystopian movies and novels of the past and finding a frightening amount of similarities, so it's not just us getting older. Things have objectively gone straight to hell, and there's nobody to thank for that except normalfag society and the fucking retards who tried to convince us not to smash them with the fist of a righteously angry god like we should have. The more openly totalitarian society becomes, whether it presents itself as left-wing or right-wing, the happier the normalfags are. This is the way it's always been. Nothing would be lost by removing them.

The real solution to this problem is time travel. Not even sarcasm. Is that cyberpunk enough for this board?

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 No.52694

>>52691

>I don't mind expressing emotions, but "the modern internet sucks" is not an emotion, it's an opinion devoid of constructive suggestion and offers little value in a discussion.

Look, nowhere in this thread has anyone simply said "the modern Internet sucks." Every post is either nostalgia, sentiment, or suggestions as to what to do about our current situation. I agree that nostalgia is not necessarily a constructive exercise in and of itself, but it's not even supposed to be. Sharing grief for something beautiful now gone is an exercise in connection with others by shared experience.

>>52693

>not realizing that the normalfags approve of this dystopian hellhole because they love to get offended in order to climb the social ladder and just to have somebody to pick on

>The more openly totalitarian society becomes, whether it presents itself as left-wing or right-wing, the happier the normalfags are.

There is an unfortunate truth. Normalfags love big daddies who do everything for them; their default condition is enslavement, and ideas such as freedom and responsibility are something very alien to them, regardless of the buzzwords hammered by the media. Like robots who require programming to do anything, they need to be told what to think and how to behave to merely experience being. Even Plato was quite switched on to this over two thousand years ago and knew that when normalfags control things, the highest tier of normalfags, psychopaths *entirely* incapable of empathy, will drive things to hell. But people of true good will are never in power because they do not desire power over others so we find ourselves in this endless fight against these hordes, just trying to keep up the fort. All we have is each other.

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 No.52704

>>52694

Fair enough, I see your point.

Maybe I'm just sour because I poured effort into the BBS and nobody bothers with it now.

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 No.52706

>>52704

I can't answer why people wouldn't want to use your BBS, but I'd love to check it out! I was born in the late 80s and started using computers/Internet in the mid-late 90s so I never really knew the experience of BBS/telnet (I'm afraid to say that I don't even know if there's a difference between the two terms). I understand the basic idea of it, but how different is it to IRC for example?

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 No.52738

>>52706

It's not something I can easily describe, you gotta see for yourself:

Call Retro Sprawl BBS! Open 24/7, unlimited downloads, unlimited posting!

retrosprawl.hopto.org

SSH 2022, telnet 2023, rlogin 1513

SSH user is bbs/bbs!

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 No.52740

>>52686

>People registered and never used it, so don't pretend you care about the oldschool internet.

I think it's more complex than that, anon. BBS were abandoned for a reason, they are objectively worse than more modern communities. People aged 50 and above will say they miss circular dial phones, but they stopped using them because keypad dials were much more practical. These things belong in a museum, even if a cyber one. Just because people don't use X doesn't mean they don't care.

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 No.52749

>>52626

<ywn be a loner kid who makes his own webpage, surfs the Web for hours a day, lurks all kinds of chans and imageboards, finds ways to pirate all sorts of media, oddly enough starts running into people he met on one site in IRC groups, making cool internet friends, discovering cool new places and people, posting on a bunch of text-only SSH forums, and of course shitposting and having fun with other loners

oh wait I already do this. feels good man

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 No.52750

>>52749

<ywn be a loner kid

Oh there we go, we got ourselves a lil' gen z here. Unfortunately, you will never know what the Web was like before consolidation. Those things that you do will never compare to the pure and free experience of oldnet.

And I don't give a shit about what tidepod eaters might say; I'm grateful beyond words that I lived through it before it died.

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 No.52751

>>52740

It works but I keep getting server closed connection on SSH after some time.

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 No.52752

>>52750

why do you feel the need to be so confrontational, man? just relax.

what's this about tidepods? I don't get it.

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 No.52754

>>52751

Known issue, most likely caused by cryptlib, which is used by Mystic for SSH encryption. It's unstable on ARM as far as I can tell.

Unfortunately, I can't replace it, I'll try to work out an alternative.

In the mean time, consider using telnet.

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 No.52755

>>52752

Suppose I'm just defensive about something really treasured in my experience of life. Sorry about that if it seemed hostile.

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 No.52765

>>52755

I wish I were alive for it, but I'm too young.

>Sorry about that if it seemed hostile.

it's fine man, I understand. I don't even want to sound like "oh everything was so much better back in the day" but even in my own memory everything just gets worse, never better.

I am happy that there are nice people who are nice to be around, and that's why I'm glad to be able to participate in just a little bit of the good stuff even if it isn't like how it used to be.

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 No.52766

>>52754

my bad for replying to the wrong post btw.

I used telnet and it seems to work just fine. I logged in this morning, so you know who I am. Unfortunately there isn't much activity, have you considered trying to spread the word more? I remember you posted in the BBS thread, but back then it didn't work for everyone so I guess people gave up.

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 No.52769

It still exists. Anywhere that online identities are disconnected from real world identities is where you find old internet. I would argue that the chans (because of their anonymity) are oldnet. Anytime you come across a site where you do not know who IRL made it: that is oldnet. Anytime you cross a site that is connected to some person or corporate entity IRL, and especially if it is immediately doxxable: that is newnet. Social media is ultimate example (and cancerous scourge) of newnet.

What we need is a search engine that exclusively crawls oldnet. In other words, a search engine that excludes results that are made by a doxxable or even pseudonymous source. I do not know how to do that because it would need to allow a chan even though people shitpost with IRL photos of professor soandso, yet not allow professor soandso's personal site; or allow a site by some anon making fun of Comcast, but not display the results corresponding to Comcast's actual website. That requires identifying context in the search result, of which the best algorithms require training by humans on a massive level, but making a fucking reddit-esque vote system out of a search engine is the most newnet piece of shit I could imagine.

About the only thing we have are posts like this where people manually share links, and then eventually someone manually curates them into a directory or webring. However, if we rely on that, and not some form of automation, then oldnet will die.

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 No.52770

>>52769

>I would argue that the chans (because of their anonymity) are oldnet.

I agree in some aspects but under the hood, most imageboards are partially integrated into the consolidated newnet. Captcha is a good example of this. But it's curious to think that imageboards throughout the 2000s didn't use captcha and fared well without it but now we "need" it to stop "abuse." Half of the time you can't even post from TOR or a VPN so that should tell you something.

>Anywhere that online identities are disconnected from real world identities is where you find old internet.

I would add to this that oldnet web design is absent from any form of tracking, javascript, etc. often even cookies in general, and that every webpage is connected ONLY by hyperlinks

>What we need is a search engine that exclusively crawls oldnet.

There exists wiby.me and it works somewhat. Probably not to the extent that you're thinking but it's a good base to imagine upon. I'm unsure of exactly what mechanism it uses to crawl the Web for oldnet type sites though. If anyone could enlighten us, that would be schway

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 No.52771

>>52770

>oldnet web design is absent of…JavaScript

I would fucking LOVE a search engine that gave me jsless results.

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 No.52775

>>52769

I don't exactly agree with you that the "oldnet" was a bastion of anonymity. Usenet started with people very openly and clearly using their real names, and placing IRL contact info in their signatures. BBS's often asked users to provide real contact information when registering their accounts.

I think what really sets the "oldnet" apart from the "newnet" is a lack of large-scale corporate ownership and operation of websites or services. The oldnet also didn't have quite the same cultural banality as the newnet does today.

It's also important to point out that personal websites were a huge part of the early internet. This is something that Facebook and other social media sites have largely destroyed, which I think is a shame. When you say "professor soandso's personal site isn't allowed," I don't agree that this should be the case.

Not trying to argue against anonymity as a goal of the internet though. I do agree with the rest of your post. The concept of a search engine that looks for only "oldnet" content is very appealing and I believe it could be as simple as keeping a blacklist of sites that the engine just doesn't touch - all social media sites, all websites maintained by corporations, etc. The list could be maintained as a community effort.

>>52770

>but now we "need" it to stop "abuse."

There are multiple tools that enable you to spam imageboards quite easily. Captcha does prevent this - although, so does requiring a cooldown period between posts.

This is part of the reason I like 8ch. There is a captcha, but it's not something being used by some tech company to develop an AI. I also appreciate that they allow TOR users to post here.

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 No.52776

>>52769

I don't think you know what you're talking about. people have been using both pseudonyms and their real names on the net since the very beginning. I'm not sure why you have the idea that what the OP calls "old net" is only what meets this criterion.

>However, if we rely on that, and not some form of automation, then oldnet will die.

automization is one of the scourges that ruins the Web. the whole point of the "old net" OP is describing is something more human and less algorithmic.

>>52770

I was going to recommend wiby as well. It just lets you submit pages to it, then it crawls that page and indexes it. I've added a few pages to it myself–my own website, some other people's personal sites, some informative pages, etc.

>>52775

>I think what really sets the "oldnet" apart from the "newnet" is a lack of large-scale corporate ownership and operation of websites or services. The oldnet also didn't have quite the same cultural banality as the newnet does today.

I agree with your point of view. personal websites made things, well, personal. and that's part of what makes it good.

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 No.52778

Seriously, wouldn't a simple filter for JavaScript be enough to get some good oldnet?

Also, I do not agree that corporate websites are necessarily bad. If I came across a corporate website that had no trackers, I would be willing to call that oldnet.

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 No.52780

The internet, like most other things, turned into a pile of steaming dogshit when people started to view it as a potential source of income.

The internet used to be all about information and content, now it's just another method for the corps to deliver advertisement to the consumers.

Same goes for music, tv, cinema, and games.

I'd love to blame someone for this. The normalfags, the millenials, the government, but i can't. This is just a reaction, as it's becoming harder and harder to find a proper non-ripoff job in the meatspace, more and more people turn to the internet to make a living. And they do it the only way they know how to - feed the algorithms, and trick people to click on their shit, so they can have that schway schway ad revenue. Thats why we have to see the same bland shit everywhere.

Your only chance to have fun the old way is to participate in aything that makes a difference.

Install i2p, retroshare, tor, share whatever is worth sharing, and neglect the adspace as much as possible.

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 No.52799

>>52592

The ride is over, everyone is here now, everything got commercial, toned-down, dumbed-down so that normalfaggots would like it more, like everything else. At the same time a lot of people from the old internet are gone, either gone conformist/corporatist or literally gone as in dead, its been 24 years after all.

>>52593

>yt

>fb

>old internet

Shazbot please

>>52618

Nowadays internet elitism means blue checkmarks and the like, nobody cares about obscure forums and shit, social media is engineered for oversharing so being all hush-hush muh sekrit club is passé now, nobody wants to be anonymous because you can't brag about your internet points and followers on meatspace if you're anon on the net.

>>52626

Actually I was, by the early 2000s things were already getting a bit dull, newfags didn't just arrive with fb, they were already breaking through the door with msn and then myspace.

>reading honest reviews

Top jej, I grant you that even shitholes like ign were less mediocre back then and at least pretended to be professional about it, but it was far from honest.

>>52663

>>52664

The problem now is govs and megacorps deplatforming you by taking away your accounts, servers, payments, etc. or outright censoring your ass or even banning you IRL.

Thats another thing about normalfags: back in the day something like the gab.ai incident would've created a shitstorm but because of gov propaganda and megacorp manipulation these shazbots are clapping like retards not realizing next time it could be them getting the axe.

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 No.52802

>>52626

The only people who think that are the ones who were using the internet at that time during their formative years and looking back on it with rose-tinted lenses.

The internet was slow and expensive, a lot of people had to choose between using their phone or going online, computers were slow, windows was even worse than it is now, security was lax, ad blocking was uncommon, viruses were common. P2P like Napster, Kazaa, Aimster, WinMX, Limewire were riddled with viruses and fake shit with pretty much no way to determine exactly what you were downloading beforehand. It could take half an hour to download a single song, if you wanted an episode of a TV show you could start downloading it before you went to bed and it might be done by the time you got home from school the next day.

Social networking has always been around, there just wasn't the monopolies you see see today. You had MySpace, Friendster, Friends Reunited, Zorpia, Bebo, Profile Heaven, and a bunch of others at one point or another. They were all bloated, had horrible UIs, and nobody really liked the customization most people did.

Geocities was owned by Yahoo, which was and still is one of the largest tech companies. Botnet.

Google was more or less the defacto search engine even fifteen years ago. Botnet.

MSN was owned by Microsoft. Botnet.

Tor and other darknets didn't exist, VPNs were a business thing, and everything connected to everything else with a bare IP. Botnet.

Oh, and fucking god help you if you wanted to get a titty pic from one of your classmates. You had to make sure the bitch was online first of all, then you had to make sure she had a webcam, and there was a good chance she didn't. If she did get on webcam you were stuck with a tiny pixelated 2fps video where you could barely make out shit. If you got them exceedingly wet they might go get their digital camera, take a picture, then connect the camera to their PC, transfer it over, then wait however fucking long it took to upload it. All the while trying to stop your parents from seeing what you were doing, and chances are your dad wanted online in the middle of all this so you had to tell her to send that shit as A FUCKING ATTACHMENT to an email and hope that it would be there waiting for you when you next had the chance to go online. Later on you had camera phones, but everyone was a poor teenager who couldn't afford the credit to send an MMS, and even when they could that shit was viewed on a 2 inch 200x200 screen at very best.

Fuck, I wish I was a horny teenager today, all the girls are carrying around their own private computers with high-res cameras 24/7 with speeds 1000x faster than before, don't need to worry about parents interrupting shit, and Tinder acting like a "will fuck" database better than anything we ever had.

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 No.52822

>>52802

Nothing stops you from getting nudie pics from a teenage girl today. It's just as illegal either way.

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 No.52824

>>52822

I think he was just comparing how easy it is now compared to then.

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 No.52832

>>52603

birds were never exceptionally average. dinosaurs are basically large lizards.

birds have special adaptations to enable flight.

they are one of two or three times when a vertebrate has learned how to fly.

they are truly incredible feats of engineering.

i hope people don't take this meme you're spewing seriously..

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 No.52853

>>52802

>the internet is so great today bcuz I can get bobs and vagene pics more faster xDDD

>technologies making it easier for whores to whore and making our society even more trash are good

I disagree

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 No.52855

>>52618

I have to agree. The only places worth even going are the places that are really difficult to find..but to me that's okay..that's what happens when the Lusers take over the mainlands. We're forced to recede into the brush.

The best way to fit right in is to just act like you belong and not make yourself known to be new to the community.

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 No.52858

>>52853

Which society would you prefer us to be like then?

It was mostly an example of how we're looking back at this shit as though it was somehow better, it wasn't. All the same shit we have today we had then, only it was slower, more breakable, and less efficient.

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 No.52864

>>52593

>FriendProject.net

I was able to make a worm for this, oldschool myspace style:

http://www.friendproject.net/view_profile.php?member_id=224344

http://www.friendproject.net/view_profile.php?member_id=224346

Source is here: https://pastebin.com/7uPg5qau

The dude who made that does some really funny stuff to disable javascript and keep people from making worms. It took me a little bit to figure out how to get around it.

Only tested on chrome.

Line 1-5 is to redirect you to the HTTP:// version of the page so that HTTPS:// doesn't stop you from requesting his HTTP:// only account edit page.

Line 6 is so that your browser will say it's referring from the account editing page. Otherwise, he doesn't let you edit the page.

The injection is through onmousemove in an h1, which basically just runs a <div> tag as a script.

The payload is just the code itself using a DOM's outerHTML.

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 No.52865

>>52592

i like trains

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 No.52883

>>52858

t. Zoomer or normalfag who never experienced wild west oldnet

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 No.52908

>>52799

>yt

>fb

>old internet

just cause it's not the oldest, doesn't mean it's not old.

i wanna find old youtube alive.

> VidLii.com - clone of 2006 yt

> BitView.net - clone of 2005 yt (owned by the same person)

does ne1 know the difference between these.

which one should i use.

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 No.52912

>>52799

Lol, Gab came back online just after a week

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 No.52913

>Alternate internet ?

It is already here and it is called IPFS and it is literally web 3.0 and it's community is literally building a new internet infrastructure from the ground up.

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 No.52917

>>52913

>Distributed Web

>as soon as you put something on the internet it's there forever

>you can't take anything back

>mistakes are forever

>you have no control over your own shit because your server means nothing

wew

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 No.52985

>>52917

It also means that governments cannot censor anything because even if you kill the guy, his content will always be there and that too not tied to an IP address.

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 No.52992

>>52985

I'd rather keep my freedom. My server - my data. Yes, someone might come along and save it but there's still a chance for me to remove something if I feel it's harmful to my life and if it hasn't reached many people, my taking it down is likely to remove it from the internet forever. I mean, people put robots.txt in their html all the time for a good reason.

Imagine all the teenagers that would fuck their entire lives by having their social media statuses existing forever. It goes both ways, anon. Distributed web is actually tracking web and I can guarantee in a decade or so you'll see people fighting against it despite all the tech morons hailing it as the next step in the evolution of the internet, web 3.0

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 No.53009

>>52992

IT DOSEN'T EVEN NEED I.P ADDRESSES TO CONNECT !! WHAT FUCKING TRACKING WEB ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ?!?!?!?

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 No.53011

>>53009

>implying your IP is all that's needed to track you

>implying your digital footprint is less important than your IP

wew

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 No.53053

>>53011

IP is just the the most important part to hide.

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 No.53085

File: 4b77d668dadd2ab⋯.png (27.93 KB, 729x687, 243:229, 0171951328201075417.png)

>>52802

The internet was better back than and I'd rather go back to waiting 10 minutes for a video to load than the kike spyware and designated websites we have now not to mention that aside from internet speeds (varying from person to person) everything was much faster than it is today, current technology is bloated and all upgrades are marginal. The true freedom that existed in the days of the wild west.

>Oh, and fucking god help you if you wanted to get a titty pic from one of your classmates….

Questionable example but alr-

>Fuck, I wish I was a horny teenager today, all the girls

Get the fuck off this website you normalfag automaton.

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 No.53145

>>53085

Yeah, He does seem like a normie if he is really into chasing thots.

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 No.53529

>>52864

Devs just patched it (not properly).

Anyone with sufficient autism should go about taking that pastebin and working around their shitty "fix" for good fun.

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 No.53599

>>52685

>tl;dr windows is for games

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 No.53603

It has been monetised at the speed of light.

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 No.53604

>>52592

Pornography and crime has poisoned it. It's a place where you learn about the best and worst of humanity.

The technology behind it goes back to the telegraph but never ceases to amaze me.

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 No.53605

Americans/Jews spreading their cancerous multiculti trash online makes it less enjoyable.

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 No.53606

>>52663

Developer here, do the opposite of what the Googlebot wants and your site on the clear net will be obscure enough: https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/7451184?hl=en.

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 No.53607

>>53606

I match against a list of useragents of bots and crawlers and force them to /robots.txt which says to fuck off.

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 No.53608

>>52771

<JavaScript bad.

How did you post that retarded message?

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 No.53610

>>53608

Dude, 8chan is perfectly operative without JS.

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 No.53612

>>53607

Good stuff, mate.

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 No.53821

>>52802

>darknets didn't exist

It was an invite only thing, and normalshazbot skids like you obviously never got invites.

>Google was more or less the defacto search engine even fifteen years ago. Botnet.

Too young to remember Northern Light

>Geocities was owned by Yahoo, which was and still is one of the largest tech companies. Botnet.

And you could write a little snippet of code to paste into your custom code which killed their advertising/tracking script.

>p2p was viruses and fake shit

Yeah, when you go after normalfag shit, just like today.

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 No.53833

>>52802

I dont miss waiting for my 28k modem to connect, fucking windows 95 and then 98 shitting the bed every few months forcing me to format and reinstall everything, lowres video that still took forever to load, like even watching a trailer was near fucking impossible even after I got a 56k modem.

However you're really doing the same but the other way around by glorifying the current net. The google of today is way different from the google from back then, not because they were "the good guys" in the past but because they werent as shit as they are now, and also because they didnt have the means to fuck you up: back then google was just "google" the search engine, thats all. They didnt track you because they didnt even have adwords, they didnt have access to your email, gmail wasn't a thing yet. They didnt know what videos you watched, what sites you went to, what you talked about, what you worked on, where you fucking went to (youtube, docs, maps). Most of the world carries an always-on spyware device from google in the form of an android phone, that was unthinkable of back in the day when most people refused to even put their IRL names on the net.

In the old net it really didnt take a lot of work to remain anon, in the nu-net its practically impossible to do anything and remain anon. Nobody cared if you used a proxy, now you get bombarded with captchas every second. Many apps refuse to work with FOSS or rooted devices, and god forbid you dare to remove google services.

And yet all you care about is getting some dumb teen slut to send you nudes.

>>53009

I think he meant dumb kids putting the same shit they post on zuccbook today

>>53604

Dont talk shit, the internet got its first impulse thanks to porn, its always being there

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 No.53844

Why is this thread not about throwing the commie degenerates out of this board?

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 No.53869

>>53844 (checked)

This guys gets it.

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 No.53945

>>53844

Because the neo-nazi authoritarian wetdream faggots have tainted this board as most others. Havent been here in like a year, nor to most other boards because post-2010s imageboards are just filled with autistic incel faggots. This place is no different and your post is exactly why. Can't even have an innocent discussion about nostalgia without some piece of shit injecting their repressed manchild ideology into it.

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 No.53946

>>53833

None of that changes the fact that there were definite downsides to using the old net compared to now. It's faster to boot Tails, load Tor, load this page, and make this post than it was for the majority of systems to even get to desktop back then. I think he's talking about the improvement in hardware and net speed than anything else.

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 No.53947

>>53945

Ah, so incel is the new meanless buzzword. Glad to know we've come full circle back to virginity being insult of choice. One step closer to the Internet as it once was I suppose.

Now, had you spared your hyperbolic nonsense for another moment- perhaps you would have noticed the post you replied to is an obvious false flag by someone who clearly has a bone to pick with /pol/. Apparently his strategy of larping as his opposition and planting supposed has managed to fool at least one person. He might have been more successful had he attempted to make it even the slightest bit organic, but in his rush to pwn his enemies he made quite the hasty mistake.

>>53946

That really depended on the system. Plenty of them had reasonable boot times, and I'd hesitate to make judgements about the matter using dying drives that haven't been defragged in 25 years anyway. Anyway, it's a bit of a red herring to bring up the hardware and downlink speeds when the actual content of the old web is really what the focus is for this thread.

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 No.53948

>>53945

Lol you're triggered by random anons' political opinions, half of which are just probably shitposting to piss ppl like you off? Lmao and it's working? Maybe you'd like reddit, they have lots of moderation there so as not to offend your sensibilities.

Get some thicker skin and ignore the trolls you fucking noob.

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 No.53962

Commerce and an influx of the lowest common denominator.

But what can ya do? I don't come here often, but this has most of the parts of the oldnet that I like. :)

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 No.53979

>>53948

The idea of "being triggered" is merely a slur used by a certain demographic against people who disagree with anything. The reason you don't find people of socialist/Marxist persuasion using this term is because of its inherent absurdity and uselessness except to bait people into revealing emotion. There exists nothing abnormal in finding offence in something regardless of who you are.

It is quite personal for me though because most of my family before my parents DID die in the holocaust and to see this post-2000s nazi shit everywhere, I feel uncomfortable and I really hope you have the empathy to understand that. While I accepted the humorous use of the swastika, nigras/etc. in the early/adolescent years of imageboards, and even laughed along with it, there are many people now who take this shit seriously and while I don't really visit imageboards too much anymore these days when I do I tend to just ignore them. Sometimes it does get to me and I do say something but in meatspace, I will always call out their bullshit and never tolerate prejudice against immutable characteristics of humanity.

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 No.53983

>>53979

It was a bunch of marxists in higher education that's been responsible for spreading the idea of trigger warnings in the first place as their passive aggressive method of book burning.

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 No.53984

>>53979

Not particularly.

It's merely an apt description for the fragile emotional many easily offended denizens of the internet seem to find themselves faced with any sort of dissent towards their particular views. A sort of state of emotional shutdown produced by a long-sheltered individual being faced with the reality that not everything is sunshine and rainbows. The reason why it has become so associated with the left at large instead of say, libertarians and conservatives, simply has to do with the fact that the broader left has found itself entrenched in the administration of many universities and schools in the west along with many of the wealthiest members of the business and ruling classes. That particular combination doesn't exactly produce the most stable of individuals, as second or third generation richfags aren't exactly known for being down to earth, and colleges have a reputation of occasionally letting ideology get in the way of the truth. The poor and working classes however are just used to life being more or less a shitshow, having been sent to fight in endless proxy wars and worked to death for quite a while now. The political composition is a bit less slanted to that political position, in this century at least.

There's really not much point in telling every nobody on the internet how your family members suffered 70+ years ago. It may sound callous, but it doesn't serve much of purpose other than to say "look how bad I've had it! …by proxy!". Discussing it here, rather than IRL or a board/thread about it reeks of attention-whoring.

>>53983

I'm really surprised that shitty firebombing approach to "treating" PTSD wasn't thrown out immediately. But then again, I'm not rich enough to make those decisions.

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 No.53987

>>53984

>There's really not much point in telling every nobody on the internet how your family members suffered 70+ years ago. It may sound callous, but it doesn't serve much of purpose other than to say "look how bad I've had it! …by proxy!". Discussing it here, rather than IRL or a board/thread about it reeks of attention-whoring.

Usually I never even mention it in meatspace as it's a really sensitive and personal topic but I thought I'd mention it here just to let people know that there's a human being on the other end and they feel pain just like you. Just because it happened 70+ years ago, it doesn't mean it is just some mythical thing which has no effect on the present. I don't wish to talk about it with some random anons but I hope you can empathize that having any family member go through any traumatic situation carries itself long after the event.

Also using slurs and rude impersonations hurts others. But I don't know, who am I speaking to. Apparently people should just "suck up" such things and take countless verbal torment or they're "snowflakes" or "sjws" or whatever term is in vogue among internet political warriors nowadays

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 No.54004

>>53987

That's understandable, but I always have to take claims like that with a grain of salt- people lie about things upsetting them and events they suffered through far too often on the internet. The thing is, the effect on the present is more like that of historical event rather than something personal, regardless of how a loud minority of people get very emotionally charged about it- given the majority of people alive today weren't around back then, and even of those that were only a minority bore personal witness. Sure, it's on my list of things I'd rather not see a repeat of- but humans sadly have a knack for killing each other off in large quantities pretty regularly.

No one's asking you to take verbal torment IRL, but it's expected that you don't take everything you read online from strangers personally. At the end of the day, mean words on a computer screen are pretty harmless- and losing sleep or emotional stability to that is pretty pointless. Unless it gets to the point where it's affecting your reputation or crossing over into the territory of strangers harassing you at home, it's not really healthy to treat it like some dire issue.

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 No.54049

>>52738

Rlogin? What's that? What we used before ssh but after telnet? What is the difference?

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 No.54051

>>54049

Fuck if I know at this point.

Also, some shit went down with the BBS, I'll fix it ASAP.

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 No.54052

File: 94a641579d5a6ad⋯.jpg (291.78 KB, 1199x930, 1199:930, A-Talk.jpg)

For starters:

gopher://gopher.floodgap.com

http://wiby.me/

http://archive.org/

http://textfiles.com/

Archive.org actually has full dumps/snapshots of gopherspace and Usenet from years ago, to preserve them. Takes up a lot of room, so haven't downloaded them yet.

>>52802

I got online in 1995 with just a 28.8K modem, and it wasn't slow because most websites were small and didn't have big images. For porn, there was the local ISP's Usenet servers that were fast (because they were local, every ISP had one) and provided unlimited porn, if you just setup your newsreader to download overnight, when nobdy needed to use the phone (if you only had one line). All that Napster-type fileshareing and Livejournal-type social media shit came later on, in the very tail end of the 90's. There wasn't even much in the way of ads on websites, unless you went to geocities and such, and even there they were mostly just small banners, rather than 50 megs of javascript for tracking your ass like now. But a large fraction of websites were completely ad-less because they were actually hosted on people's own ISP accounts, because you got free webspace, gopherspace, and even FTP just by virtue of having a dialup Unix shell account (like netcom.com, for example). I even played online Quake through 1996-98 with the same dialup connedtion, and consistently got average 250-300 pings on servers in my country, which made the game playable. Spent a lot of time on those servers late at night even all night long sometimes, playing lots of mods and CTF. Then I dropped out when Quake II came out because it was lame, and haven't played online since. I ran Slackware, and then Debian the whole time, never that Windows garbage (it was totally lame compared to Amiga). One of the very first things I did when I got my ISP account was to head over to ftp.cdrom.com and download all 50-some disk images and write them to floppy. Then I dual-booted DOS and Linux for a short while, and finally just got rid of DOS altogether, since I wasn't using it anymore.

In retrospect, with I just bought the Amiga 3000 I saw in a local ad. Old guy only wanted $700 for it, about half the cost I paid for my 486 PC. Could have run NetBSD on that mofo too. Anyway now x86 and Linux are lame and botnet. I got NetBSD on an ARM board, it's something at least. I picked on that doesn't have any closed firmware or driver blobs or any kind of Spectre vulnerabilities. Best I can do since I can't afford A3000 today (they're basically collectors items now).

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 No.54053

File: 8f40e709e305e9e⋯.png (38.53 KB, 376x287, 376:287, DPqnvRS.png)

>>54052

> with I just bought the Amiga 3000

s/with/wish/

Anyway here's another great link from old times. I love me some text games, especially adventures:

http://adventure.if-legends.org/

http://www.lysator.liu.se/tolkien-games/index.html

http://www.petesqbsite.com/index.php

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 No.54054

File: 2e86319d0604076⋯.jpg (144.14 KB, 1280x718, 640:359, nap club.jpg)

>>54049

It's pretty much equivalent to telnet, yeah. Details here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rlogin

I had that stuff setup on my LAN back then, because rcp was really convenient for moving files around (now scp does the same thing).

>>54053

Oh and here's some really old Doom-related sites that are still up:

http://www.gamers.org/doomgate/

http://www.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~quinet/games/DEU/DEU-en.html

http://games.moria.org.uk/doom/du/

Except for a few I downloaded from a dialup BBS (and I can't remember which ones anymore), my very first PWADs came from the Doomgate site. Oupost 21, Deimos Subway, Doomsday of the UAC, all fucking mind-blowing. I ended up using DCK to make a couple of my own PWADs (which unfortunately were lost when HDD crashed), but they weren't nearly as good as the ones I mentioned. Later on, like 2010-15 I started actually making much better ones, and even made one with DEU 5.21 in dosbox, just for the hell of it. File is named hex-e2m9 if anyone wants to try it, but don't expect anything fancy, I'm very much a vanilla purist who loves 1994 style wads, where there aren't any set rules and anything goes.

I still play Doom on occasions, but the scene has largely moved on and I'm the minority now. Well that was really already the case in 2010, but it has gotten much worse now, so that's why I dropped out of that scene. Had the idea of making a classic Doom themed telnet/ssh BBS, but I doubt there's much interest for this. I have other important hobbies now like pic.

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 No.54077

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 No.54081

File: 5dd8086aaea6df7⋯.jpeg (47.82 KB, 474x474, 1:1, dbdgfbd.jpeg)

>>54077

>tilde.team is a shared system that provides an inclusive, non-commercial space

Antifa club is 2 floors down, kiddo.

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 No.54144

>go to wiby.me

>click "surprise me…" link

>get redirect to zoomershit page on tumblr about windows 95

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 No.54165

File: 3c85612c484a515⋯.png (101.5 KB, 953x764, 953:764, foo.png)

>>54144

Try again, you'll find more interesting stuff.

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 No.54195

>>54081

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/duct-tape-antifa/

Never trust a /pol/tard. They have violent fantasies but they're always over or underweight and masturbate exclusively to sissy porn.

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 No.54205

File: 67da7a2dc5613c3⋯.png (105.05 KB, 1642x777, 1642:777, (((snopes))).PNG)

>>54195

>linking snopes

>linking snopes to 'debunk' someone who was using an image as a joke

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 No.54207

>>54195

If you think Snopes is trustworthy you're a fucking idiot

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 No.54208

>>54195

You do realize all that proves is that Antifa is so pathetic they have to fake shit for victim points, right?

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 No.54209

>>54208

It literally says that page is an Antifa pisstake page, learn to read.

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 No.54210

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 No.54212

File: 7a0048fbe935dec⋯.jpg (102.17 KB, 486x330, 81:55, projecting.jpg)

>>54195

>they're always over or underweight and masturbate exclusively to sissy porn

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 No.54222

>>53979

>The reason you don't find people of socialist/Marxist persuasion using this term is because of its inherent absurdity and uselessness except to bait people into revealing emotion

Trigger and trigger warnings were literally invented by tumblr communists/socialist faggots.

>It is quite personal for me though because most of my family before my parents DID die in the holocaust

Too bad they didn't kill your soft ass too.

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 No.54252

>>54077

>>52592

> What happened to the Internet of old?

It changed or got deleted and maybe archived.

> Where are we now and how did we get here?

We're at "everything over HTTP" and we got here because NAT makes it harder to use protocols that allow users to be servers, and because firewall maintainers are lazy and restrictive so only allow ports 53, 80, and 443. The people making more things that run over HTTP are only encouraging that notion of anything else isn't important. NAT was caused by IPv4 not having enough addresses, so IPv6 unless someone can come up with a better plan.

> I'm cold and alone.

Set your computers to do some heavy work to keep warm and write a bot to talk to when everyone else on the internet isn't talking.

> Where are we going from here?

Probably tighter government regulations.

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 No.54264

>>52626

Literally everything you said was characteristic of the normalfags of that generation

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 No.54269

>>54252

Have you heard of IPFS ?

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 No.54273

>>54269

That reminds me, I should stop being a lazy shazbot and install that.

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 No.54274

>>54269

Yeah, why?

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 No.54275

>>54273

Laziness is the life killer.

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 No.54298

>>54273

Can you tell me how to do it ? Lat time I tried on my ubuntu machine, it stopped working.

>>54269

It is decentralised Internet

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 No.57425

>>52624

>Web 2.0 was a mistake

You get a pretty web 1.0 like experience on hidden services.

>>52663

>We'll just build a new one, from the ground up. Meshnets, or something p2p like i2p or freenet would be a good way to go.

Exactly this alice.

>>52683

>P2P solves the connection issue, but since it runs over the normal internet you lose your privacy, unless the traffic is obscured somehow.

Bitmessage does this by sending every message to every user but encrypting such that only the true receipient can decrypt.

>>52769

>What we need is a search engine that exclusively crawls oldnet.

>>52770

>>52771

Spin up a yacy instance, crawl what you want, and post here. It would actually be an intresting way to discover /cyber/ recommended content.

I want to see a decorperatized internet without captcha, tracking and advertisement hosted on distributed, decentrailized, darknet infrastructure. For now, I think even using acorperate media like 8KUN is worth doing.

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 No.57628

File: e86bc56b98893b5⋯.jpg (18.98 KB, 474x434, 237:217, proxy_duckduckgo_com.jpg)

>>54275

was that a…Dune reference?

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 No.57635

>>53979

4chan was a dead pile of shit before /pol/ was ever made.

-oldfag

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 No.57636

File: 8790111af0f8fc4⋯.jpg (28.73 KB, 400x400, 1:1, gas_yourself.jpg)

>>53979

This is the gayest shit I've read in years.

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 No.57662

Global interconnected net never was a good idea. hail to packet radio, shall new mesh come upon us.

And also GNUnet > IPFS.

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 No.57664

>>57662

None of the new nets will work until the big guns (IETF,Internet society, etc) get in the game.

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 No.57665

>>57664

Freifunk in Germany,

Libremesh in Spain,

Netradio in Russia.

> None of the new nets will work […]

You need mass adoption? or legislation on part of government. not very cyberpunk-ish of you.

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 No.57666

>>57665

Yeah, I would think mass adoption to be a necessity for the success of any protocol (or suit of protocols). Having some underground, cyberpunk enthusiasts running GNUnet is schway, but the internet didn't change.

I wouldn't necessarily support governmental legislation, but the Internet Society is not the government, or part of the government. It's a nonprofit with a goal to standardize the internet. Having such an organization endorse something like the GNUnet would be a deathblow to the current internet.

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 No.57667

>>57666

I am too European to know what this organization is bringing on the table, Very sorry of that.

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 No.57668

>>57666

> […] It's a nonprofit with a goal to standardize the internet […]

> "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from."

- Andrew S. Tannenbaum

This is simply impossible, give me a break.

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 No.57669

File: ad15e9b148a9bc3⋯.jpg (894.28 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, 1583355807050.jpg)

>>57668

Fine. So it's impossible to standardize the internet. I won't disagree with that. However, in that case the revolution that GNUnet is trying to achieve is already complete. If standardization is unnecessary, then creating a protocol is all the work you have to do. After that it's up to the people to recognize and use your protocol.

And yet there is something missing. You know that simply creating a protocol isn't enough. People need to use it, ie corporations need to use it. The GNUnet will never be successful until it can actually challenge the current internet structure. We can mock and snob the current internet standards, but the truth is they are dominating the game despite their inferiority.

If I understand you correctly, you're proposing that a revolution can happen by enthusiasts alone. I think that's wishful thinking. The average user (currently representing 80% of all internet users) doesn't care about protocols or security. Snowden made that painfully clear. Changing the internet means changing standards, not people.

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 No.57670

>>57669

> You're proposing that a revolution can happen by enthusiasts alone

I'm not Lenin and

I do not mean that, What I mean:

> Small groups such as Free speech and privacy advocate, crypto/torrent users, political orgs (i.e anarchists), volunteers.

As the init base far more better vs pro-commercial entity that will try to centralize whole net.

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 No.57672

>>57670

Then I agree with you. The people you mentioned (free speech and privacy advocates, crypto/torrent users, political orgs, volunteers) should be the 'init base'. In other words, they should be the people who actually create and demonstrate the new net. But isn't that the case? That's exactly what happened with projects like GNUnet. The fist step (ie creating and demonstrating the new net) has been completed. But that's not enough for a successful protocol. Wide adoption (or at least competitive adoption) of the new protocols is necessary for successfully changing the internet. Otherwise you didn't change the internet; you just created an underground network of activists and idealists (which is schway, but not the point).

Commercialism is inevitable. No matter what the new internet looks like, you can bet that it will be corp-friendly. If corporations can't use it, it will never succeed. And I think that's how it should be. 'Free' doesn't mean 'corporations excluded'.

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 No.57674

>>57672

> But isn't that the case? That's exactly what happened with projects like GNUnet. The fist step (ie creating and demonstrating the new net) has been completed

actually GNUnet devs does not demonstrate(including at battlemesh con) anything beside hoard of white papers,

(Also I believe, there still no banks that uses GNU Taler)

GNUnet is still too young tbh.

> Commercialism is inevitable

> 'Free' doesn't mean 'corporations excluded'

I agree, but how it done is different(maybe a bit blackmarket, overall I agree on everything that you just said.

< Offtopic

> you just created an underground network of activists and idealists (which is 水, but not the point)

Examples of current ideas that is somehow successful both commercial and not(so-called idealists):

Guifi - Meshnet in Spain

Sarantaporo - Meshnet in Greek

Freifunk - Meshnet in Geramny

Seattle Meshnet(around 400 members)

Meshnet in Russia (1,000-2,000 users) which was created after downfall of fidonet. and many more.

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 No.57675

File: 1917343a62c9cea⋯.jpg (1008.63 KB, 1920x1200, 8:5, 1583355458296.jpg)

>>57674

>actually GNUnet devs does not demonstrate(including at battlemesh con) anything beside hoard of white papers, (Also I believe, there still no banks that uses GNU Taler) GNUnet is still too young tbh.

Ah, good to know. In all honesty, I haven't seriously looked into the GNUnet as much as I would like. I need to inform myself better. Will also look into the networks you mentioned. When you say that these networks are successful commercially, how do you mean?

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 No.57676

>>57675

In fact, all of those networks can be use for commercial purposes, I just stated aims of those projects, for example very few small businesses are using Guifi, and some nodes of the network are contributed by some commercial companies. and Russian network just an underground place (i.e non-commercial).

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 No.57677

>>57675

Also one remark, GNUnet has fully working components, gnunet-fs (filesystem sharing),

gnunet-vpn, gnunet-exit (can be used for creating something like Tor Network).

But nothing was shown at cons, you know potential of those things.

p≡p is still in working(email alternative like bitmessage).

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 No.57678

>>57675

In context of >>57664

Btw Internet society is supporting meshnet ideas

> https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2020/01/community-radio-and-network-providers-join-force-to-grow-the-internet

> Last month, more than 50 community radio and network providers from all across Asia-Pacific journeyed by road from Bengaluru, India’s tech capital, to IruWay, a rural research lab about 80km away. As the traffic and indiscriminate honking outside the megacity faded, Internet signal also weakened, and at some point, there was no connection at all – something that could make Internet-dependent city dwellers queasy. But the participants traveling to attend the Community Network Exchange Asia-Pacific 2019 (CNX APAC) were undeterred. They have built or run radio or Internet networks for unconnected communities in many countries, including Bangladesh, Malaysia, Myanmar, Nepal, the Philippines and Thailand. The event gathered the two groups, community radio and network providers. It was a bid to get communities that have community radio stations in place to also set up community networks – so that villages unserved by mobile network operators or Internet service providers can access the Internet and the benefits it offers. Community radio stations play an important role in providing information to rural communities throughout the world. They have expertise in setting up the infrastructure as well as creating local content, both of which are crucial to the success of community networks. It is why the event aimed to create opportunities for them to add Internet services to their repertoire. The Internet Society is proud to co-organize the event, now in its third year, with partners including the Digital Empowerment Foundation and the Association for Progressive Communications. The three-day event took the theme of “Community Networks and the Internet of the People.” Besides IruWay, the event was also hosted by ProtoVillage, a rural community about 100 kilometers from Bengaluru in Andhra Pradesh, a neighboring state. Participants took part in discussions on how they could combine the advantages of community networks and community radio to create an accessible Internet for everyone. A demonstration of LibreRouter, an open-source hardware WiFi router designed for the specific needs of community networks, showed technological trends that could make last-mile access more effective and accessible. LibreRouter was created through a collaboration of the Internet Society Community Networks Special Interest Group and AlterMundi, with the support of Beyond the Net Funding Programme. A hands-on session let participants get their hands dirty and set up a real campus-wide network at ProtoVillage and its surrounding villages. Community networks are built and operated by people in the community. They are the result of people working together, combining their resources. These community-led networks make use of readily available low-cost equipment. Often, the technology required to build and maintain the network is as simple as a wireless router. They range from WiFi only to mesh networks and mobile networks that provide voice and short messaging services. While they usually serve communities under 3,000 people, some serve more than 50,000 users. It was a decade ago when we launched Wireless for Communities (W4C), a joint initiative of the Internet Society and the Digital Empowerment Foundation, to connect rural and remote locations of India. Since then, W4C has deployed nearly 200 community networks in India. In parallel, community networks themselves have grown into a global movement, with projects in Brazil, Kenya, Nepal, Nicaragua, Pakistan, Senegal, and other countries. The initiative connects underserved communities using readily-available, economical network equipment. The equipment is not specialized and expensive. The focus is on the local community being trained to manage, operate, and maintain the network. Our efforts have led to hundreds of networks being inspired and deployed providing access to tens of thousands of people. When people connect to the Internet, they connect to opportunity. That is why we will continue to support community networks by working with our partners, and we look forward to future editions of CNX APAC. The Internet is for everyone. Learn more about community networks and join the global movement to help close the digital divide!

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 No.57684

>>52592

i miss AIM

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 No.57685

>>52626

It was glorious anon.

Staying home sick from school to download a cracked version Black and White when it came out and blasting keygen music all day in my room. Ripping nasty porn all day on KaZaa and limewire.

No youtube! If you wanted to see a video, you had to find it on p2p.

Winamp TV! what a revelation.

Don't despair though anon. There are tons of schway weird things to do these days. Better bandwidth, cheaper hardware, make something awesome.

Hack the planet.

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 No.57799

>>57635

Some "oldfag" again trying to rewrite history.

Thematic subboards been pretty much alive until 2013(4?).

/pol/ is symptom of sickness and terminate state of shitposting.

Shitposting is noise.

Noise is scam to distract you from actual information.

Centralized place not worth of saving.

Because nobody ingesting in scam.

Decentralization should protect from it, otherwise it isn't worth efforts.

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 No.57800

>>57665

>Freifunk in Germany

Massive attack from government slowly destroying it. Get rid of government will help a lot.

>Libremesh in Spain

Libremesh is firmware, isn't? Guifi.net is meshnet.

>Netradio in Russia

I can't even find info, can you provide links?

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 No.57814

>>52626

You can still do that now anon, it's just harder to set up a life like that.

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 No.57817

>>57799

lmao every oldfag admits 4chan was always trash, it just got trashier the longer it went on, and then /pol/ happened

then the trash rotted exponentially

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 No.57827

You can still make an simple styled website. I made mine like you say 10 years too late but it's still fun.

zayn.world

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 No.57864

>>52592

Just go outside and talk to people you oldfag.

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 No.57893

>>52597

>evolved

You mean taken over, centralized, and censored?

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 No.57951

>>52592

We rely on platforms, those platforms have rules that govern the sorts of interactions we can have. That's an easy problem to fix anon. We have to connect manually through various forms of direct private communication. Email and encrypted chat. We've tacitly accepted the idea that such a network is a relic that would never amount to anything. But a lack of rules can make a lot of things possible.

We can have the wild west back whenever you want by building our own manually maintained networks. Base them around file sharing and some sort of crypto economy. We're an imaginative bunch. Contact me:

gc7rsdkhsm@tuta.io

TOX: 2CD22F3C0D87626C06BEDDA0AE2217E43F72500A408A462699C3297E382576522372737FC9CE

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 No.58016

>>57951

Are you hosting anything right now? I am hosting a hidden blog as part of the Lainch webring and a Tor relay. I am thinking about expanding it to cover other darknets starting with I2P and Freenet. I have seen you advocating this idea on a couple places, but I have never seen you mention anything you are building.

If you are not building anything, it will never come.

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