No.52592 [View All]
What happened to the Internet of old? Where are we now and how did we get here? I'm cold and alone. Where are we going from here?
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No.54053
>>54052
> with I just bought the Amiga 3000
s/with/wish/
Anyway here's another great link from old times. I love me some text games, especially adventures:
http://adventure.if-legends.org/
http://www.lysator.liu.se/tolkien-games/index.html
http://www.petesqbsite.com/index.php
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No.54054
>>54049
It's pretty much equivalent to telnet, yeah. Details here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rlogin
I had that stuff setup on my LAN back then, because rcp was really convenient for moving files around (now scp does the same thing).
>>54053
Oh and here's some really old Doom-related sites that are still up:
http://www.gamers.org/doomgate/
http://www.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~quinet/games/DEU/DEU-en.html
http://games.moria.org.uk/doom/du/
Except for a few I downloaded from a dialup BBS (and I can't remember which ones anymore), my very first PWADs came from the Doomgate site. Oupost 21, Deimos Subway, Doomsday of the UAC, all fucking mind-blowing. I ended up using DCK to make a couple of my own PWADs (which unfortunately were lost when HDD crashed), but they weren't nearly as good as the ones I mentioned. Later on, like 2010-15 I started actually making much better ones, and even made one with DEU 5.21 in dosbox, just for the hell of it. File is named hex-e2m9 if anyone wants to try it, but don't expect anything fancy, I'm very much a vanilla purist who loves 1994 style wads, where there aren't any set rules and anything goes.
I still play Doom on occasions, but the scene has largely moved on and I'm the minority now. Well that was really already the case in 2010, but it has gotten much worse now, so that's why I dropped out of that scene. Had the idea of making a classic Doom themed telnet/ssh BBS, but I doubt there's much interest for this. I have other important hobbies now like pic.
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No.54077
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No.54081
>>54077
>tilde.team is a shared system that provides an inclusive, non-commercial space
Antifa club is 2 floors down, kiddo.
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No.54144
>go to wiby.me
>click "surprise me…" link
>get redirect to zoomershit page on tumblr about windows 95
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No.54165
>>54144
Try again, you'll find more interesting stuff.
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No.54195
>>54081
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/duct-tape-antifa/
Never trust a /pol/tard. They have violent fantasies but they're always over or underweight and masturbate exclusively to sissy porn.
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No.54205
>>54195
>linking snopes
>linking snopes to 'debunk' someone who was using an image as a joke
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No.54207
>>54195
If you think Snopes is trustworthy you're a fucking idiot
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No.54208
>>54195
You do realize all that proves is that Antifa is so pathetic they have to fake shit for victim points, right?
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No.54209
>>54208
It literally says that page is an Antifa pisstake page, learn to read.
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No.54210
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No.54212
>>54195
>they're always over or underweight and masturbate exclusively to sissy porn
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No.54222
>>53979
>The reason you don't find people of socialist/Marxist persuasion using this term is because of its inherent absurdity and uselessness except to bait people into revealing emotion
Trigger and trigger warnings were literally invented by tumblr communists/socialist faggots.
>It is quite personal for me though because most of my family before my parents DID die in the holocaust
Too bad they didn't kill your soft ass too.
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No.54252
>>54077
>>52592
> What happened to the Internet of old?
It changed or got deleted and maybe archived.
> Where are we now and how did we get here?
We're at "everything over HTTP" and we got here because NAT makes it harder to use protocols that allow users to be servers, and because firewall maintainers are lazy and restrictive so only allow ports 53, 80, and 443. The people making more things that run over HTTP are only encouraging that notion of anything else isn't important. NAT was caused by IPv4 not having enough addresses, so IPv6 unless someone can come up with a better plan.
> I'm cold and alone.
Set your computers to do some heavy work to keep warm and write a bot to talk to when everyone else on the internet isn't talking.
> Where are we going from here?
Probably tighter government regulations.
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No.54264
>>52626
Literally everything you said was characteristic of the normalfags of that generation
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No.54269
>>54252
Have you heard of IPFS ?
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No.54273
>>54269
That reminds me, I should stop being a lazy shazbot and install that.
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No.54274
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No.54275
>>54273
Laziness is the life killer.
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No.54298
>>54273
Can you tell me how to do it ? Lat time I tried on my ubuntu machine, it stopped working.
>>54269
It is decentralised Internet
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No.57425
>>52624
>Web 2.0 was a mistake
You get a pretty web 1.0 like experience on hidden services.
>>52663
>We'll just build a new one, from the ground up. Meshnets, or something p2p like i2p or freenet would be a good way to go.
Exactly this alice.
>>52683
>P2P solves the connection issue, but since it runs over the normal internet you lose your privacy, unless the traffic is obscured somehow.
Bitmessage does this by sending every message to every user but encrypting such that only the true receipient can decrypt.
>>52769
>What we need is a search engine that exclusively crawls oldnet.
>>52770
>>52771
Spin up a yacy instance, crawl what you want, and post here. It would actually be an intresting way to discover /cyber/ recommended content.
I want to see a decorperatized internet without captcha, tracking and advertisement hosted on distributed, decentrailized, darknet infrastructure. For now, I think even using acorperate media like 8KUN is worth doing.
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No.57628
>>54275
was that a…Dune reference?
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No.57635
>>53979
4chan was a dead pile of shit before /pol/ was ever made.
-oldfag
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No.57636
>>53979
This is the gayest shit I've read in years.
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No.57662
Global interconnected net never was a good idea. hail to packet radio, shall new mesh come upon us.
And also GNUnet > IPFS.
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No.57664
>>57662
None of the new nets will work until the big guns (IETF,Internet society, etc) get in the game.
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No.57665
>>57664
Freifunk in Germany,
Libremesh in Spain,
Netradio in Russia.
> None of the new nets will work […]
You need mass adoption? or legislation on part of government. not very cyberpunk-ish of you.
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No.57666
>>57665
Yeah, I would think mass adoption to be a necessity for the success of any protocol (or suit of protocols). Having some underground, cyberpunk enthusiasts running GNUnet is schway, but the internet didn't change.
I wouldn't necessarily support governmental legislation, but the Internet Society is not the government, or part of the government. It's a nonprofit with a goal to standardize the internet. Having such an organization endorse something like the GNUnet would be a deathblow to the current internet.
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No.57667
>>57666
I am too European to know what this organization is bringing on the table, Very sorry of that.
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No.57668
>>57666
> […] It's a nonprofit with a goal to standardize the internet […]
> "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from."
- Andrew S. Tannenbaum
This is simply impossible, give me a break.
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No.57669
>>57668
Fine. So it's impossible to standardize the internet. I won't disagree with that. However, in that case the revolution that GNUnet is trying to achieve is already complete. If standardization is unnecessary, then creating a protocol is all the work you have to do. After that it's up to the people to recognize and use your protocol.
And yet there is something missing. You know that simply creating a protocol isn't enough. People need to use it, ie corporations need to use it. The GNUnet will never be successful until it can actually challenge the current internet structure. We can mock and snob the current internet standards, but the truth is they are dominating the game despite their inferiority.
If I understand you correctly, you're proposing that a revolution can happen by enthusiasts alone. I think that's wishful thinking. The average user (currently representing 80% of all internet users) doesn't care about protocols or security. Snowden made that painfully clear. Changing the internet means changing standards, not people.
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No.57670
>>57669
> You're proposing that a revolution can happen by enthusiasts alone
I'm not Lenin and
I do not mean that, What I mean:
> Small groups such as Free speech and privacy advocate, crypto/torrent users, political orgs (i.e anarchists), volunteers.
As the init base far more better vs pro-commercial entity that will try to centralize whole net.
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No.57672
>>57670
Then I agree with you. The people you mentioned (free speech and privacy advocates, crypto/torrent users, political orgs, volunteers) should be the 'init base'. In other words, they should be the people who actually create and demonstrate the new net. But isn't that the case? That's exactly what happened with projects like GNUnet. The fist step (ie creating and demonstrating the new net) has been completed. But that's not enough for a successful protocol. Wide adoption (or at least competitive adoption) of the new protocols is necessary for successfully changing the internet. Otherwise you didn't change the internet; you just created an underground network of activists and idealists (which is schway, but not the point).
Commercialism is inevitable. No matter what the new internet looks like, you can bet that it will be corp-friendly. If corporations can't use it, it will never succeed. And I think that's how it should be. 'Free' doesn't mean 'corporations excluded'.
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No.57674
>>57672
> But isn't that the case? That's exactly what happened with projects like GNUnet. The fist step (ie creating and demonstrating the new net) has been completed
actually GNUnet devs does not demonstrate(including at battlemesh con) anything beside hoard of white papers,
(Also I believe, there still no banks that uses GNU Taler)
GNUnet is still too young tbh.
> Commercialism is inevitable
> 'Free' doesn't mean 'corporations excluded'
I agree, but how it done is different(maybe a bit blackmarket, overall I agree on everything that you just said.
< Offtopic
> you just created an underground network of activists and idealists (which is 水, but not the point)
Examples of current ideas that is somehow successful both commercial and not(so-called idealists):
Guifi - Meshnet in Spain
Sarantaporo - Meshnet in Greek
Freifunk - Meshnet in Geramny
Seattle Meshnet(around 400 members)
Meshnet in Russia (1,000-2,000 users) which was created after downfall of fidonet. and many more.
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No.57675
>>57674
>actually GNUnet devs does not demonstrate(including at battlemesh con) anything beside hoard of white papers, (Also I believe, there still no banks that uses GNU Taler) GNUnet is still too young tbh.
Ah, good to know. In all honesty, I haven't seriously looked into the GNUnet as much as I would like. I need to inform myself better. Will also look into the networks you mentioned. When you say that these networks are successful commercially, how do you mean?
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No.57676
>>57675
In fact, all of those networks can be use for commercial purposes, I just stated aims of those projects, for example very few small businesses are using Guifi, and some nodes of the network are contributed by some commercial companies. and Russian network just an underground place (i.e non-commercial).
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No.57677
>>57675
Also one remark, GNUnet has fully working components, gnunet-fs (filesystem sharing),
gnunet-vpn, gnunet-exit (can be used for creating something like Tor Network).
But nothing was shown at cons, you know potential of those things.
p≡p is still in working(email alternative like bitmessage).
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No.57678
>>57675
In context of >>57664
Btw Internet society is supporting meshnet ideas
> https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2020/01/community-radio-and-network-providers-join-force-to-grow-the-internet
> Last month, more than 50 community radio and network providers from all across Asia-Pacific journeyed by road from Bengaluru, India’s tech capital, to IruWay, a rural research lab about 80km away. As the traffic and indiscriminate honking outside the megacity faded, Internet signal also weakened, and at some point, there was no connection at all – something that could make Internet-dependent city dwellers queasy. But the participants traveling to attend the Community Network Exchange Asia-Pacific 2019 (CNX APAC) were undeterred. They have built or run radio or Internet networks for unconnected communities in many countries, including Bangladesh, Malaysia, Myanmar, Nepal, the Philippines and Thailand. The event gathered the two groups, community radio and network providers. It was a bid to get communities that have community radio stations in place to also set up community networks – so that villages unserved by mobile network operators or Internet service providers can access the Internet and the benefits it offers. Community radio stations play an important role in providing information to rural communities throughout the world. They have expertise in setting up the infrastructure as well as creating local content, both of which are crucial to the success of community networks. It is why the event aimed to create opportunities for them to add Internet services to their repertoire. The Internet Society is proud to co-organize the event, now in its third year, with partners including the Digital Empowerment Foundation and the Association for Progressive Communications. The three-day event took the theme of “Community Networks and the Internet of the People.” Besides IruWay, the event was also hosted by ProtoVillage, a rural community about 100 kilometers from Bengaluru in Andhra Pradesh, a neighboring state. Participants took part in discussions on how they could combine the advantages of community networks and community radio to create an accessible Internet for everyone. A demonstration of LibreRouter, an open-source hardware WiFi router designed for the specific needs of community networks, showed technological trends that could make last-mile access more effective and accessible. LibreRouter was created through a collaboration of the Internet Society Community Networks Special Interest Group and AlterMundi, with the support of Beyond the Net Funding Programme. A hands-on session let participants get their hands dirty and set up a real campus-wide network at ProtoVillage and its surrounding villages. Community networks are built and operated by people in the community. They are the result of people working together, combining their resources. These community-led networks make use of readily available low-cost equipment. Often, the technology required to build and maintain the network is as simple as a wireless router. They range from WiFi only to mesh networks and mobile networks that provide voice and short messaging services. While they usually serve communities under 3,000 people, some serve more than 50,000 users. It was a decade ago when we launched Wireless for Communities (W4C), a joint initiative of the Internet Society and the Digital Empowerment Foundation, to connect rural and remote locations of India. Since then, W4C has deployed nearly 200 community networks in India. In parallel, community networks themselves have grown into a global movement, with projects in Brazil, Kenya, Nepal, Nicaragua, Pakistan, Senegal, and other countries. The initiative connects underserved communities using readily-available, economical network equipment. The equipment is not specialized and expensive. The focus is on the local community being trained to manage, operate, and maintain the network. Our efforts have led to hundreds of networks being inspired and deployed providing access to tens of thousands of people. When people connect to the Internet, they connect to opportunity. That is why we will continue to support community networks by working with our partners, and we look forward to future editions of CNX APAC. The Internet is for everyone. Learn more about community networks and join the global movement to help close the digital divide!
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No.57684
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No.57685
>>52626
It was glorious anon.
Staying home sick from school to download a cracked version Black and White when it came out and blasting keygen music all day in my room. Ripping nasty porn all day on KaZaa and limewire.
No youtube! If you wanted to see a video, you had to find it on p2p.
Winamp TV! what a revelation.
Don't despair though anon. There are tons of schway weird things to do these days. Better bandwidth, cheaper hardware, make something awesome.
Hack the planet.
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No.57799
>>57635
Some "oldfag" again trying to rewrite history.
Thematic subboards been pretty much alive until 2013(4?).
/pol/ is symptom of sickness and terminate state of shitposting.
Shitposting is noise.
Noise is scam to distract you from actual information.
Centralized place not worth of saving.
Because nobody ingesting in scam.
Decentralization should protect from it, otherwise it isn't worth efforts.
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No.57800
>>57665
>Freifunk in Germany
Massive attack from government slowly destroying it. Get rid of government will help a lot.
>Libremesh in Spain
Libremesh is firmware, isn't? Guifi.net is meshnet.
>Netradio in Russia
I can't even find info, can you provide links?
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No.57814
>>52626
You can still do that now anon, it's just harder to set up a life like that.
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No.57817
>>57799
lmao every oldfag admits 4chan was always trash, it just got trashier the longer it went on, and then /pol/ happened
then the trash rotted exponentially
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No.57827
You can still make an simple styled website. I made mine like you say 10 years too late but it's still fun.
zayn.world
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No.57864
>>52592
Just go outside and talk to people you oldfag.
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No.57893
>>52597
>evolved
You mean taken over, centralized, and censored?
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No.57951
>>52592
We rely on platforms, those platforms have rules that govern the sorts of interactions we can have. That's an easy problem to fix anon. We have to connect manually through various forms of direct private communication. Email and encrypted chat. We've tacitly accepted the idea that such a network is a relic that would never amount to anything. But a lack of rules can make a lot of things possible.
We can have the wild west back whenever you want by building our own manually maintained networks. Base them around file sharing and some sort of crypto economy. We're an imaginative bunch. Contact me:
gc7rsdkhsm@tuta.io
TOX: 2CD22F3C0D87626C06BEDDA0AE2217E43F72500A408A462699C3297E382576522372737FC9CE
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No.58016
>>57951
Are you hosting anything right now? I am hosting a hidden blog as part of the Lainch webring and a Tor relay. I am thinking about expanding it to cover other darknets starting with I2P and Freenet. I have seen you advocating this idea on a couple places, but I have never seen you mention anything you are building.
If you are not building anything, it will never come.
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