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No.414155
Why do I keep wasting money on this stupid shit? At least I only need 1 of each for EDH.
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No.414164
>>414155
>Needing one of each for EDH
You better be playing 4-5 colour or you're just investing money on needless fetches.
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No.414174
>>414164
Depends on how competitive their EDH is. Fetches can respond to non-basic land hate, and still fix mana. They also happen to be extra copies of their shock or dual lands, and that could be clutch still in 3 colours early on. And that's not getting into if they're running any cards like mutilate that cares about how many of a given basic you have on the board.
But the thing about EDH was that it was supposed to be "here's a chance for all these non-competitive old cards to shine outside of cube".
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No.414182
>>414174
>Depends on how competitive their EDH is
>Competitive EDH
I forgot that this was a thing for a moment.
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No.414185
>>414164
I just wanted all 7 fetches available to me in my 2 color deck.
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No.414205
This is a deck that's very similar to a GW deck I made before. I ran Garruk Wildspeakers for more land untap effects. Primal Command t3 into a t4 Eternal Witness into Primal Command is devastating.
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No.414207
>>414205
How has the black woman been treating you?
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No.414212
>>414155
You could always just buy chink knockoffs. Especially so for commander.
>>414174
>>414182
>Competitive commander
I will never understand this meme.
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No.414216
>>414212
there is no format a tournamentfag can't ruin with minmaxing
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No.414229
>>414207
Dunno, it's not my list. Vivien seems out of place in this deck?
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No.414231
>>414216
>>414212
I don't have a problem with EDH having competitive events, the problem to me is that it's been acknowledged by Wizards and has official sanctioning. This means they create cards that are balanced for it, etc., while ignoring those cards' impacts on eternal formats (eg, buy 4 of this EDH deck exclusive card or else you can't use a meme FOTM deck in Modern!).
It should have always stayed a casual format
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No.414232
>>414212
>I will never understand this meme.
All you need is one hyper competitive guy to sit down at the table, before an arms race starts. Still kitchen table, still casual setting, still can get cut throat. I also don't mind it, it means decks can get retired, and only be brought out in some circumstances.
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No.414233
>>414229
I'd never seen her in a Modern deck before. I remember thinking the card would be lackluster in Standard during her spoiler season. I prefer 4 mana Garruk in mono-green due to his synergy with utopia sprawl and cheaper cost, but I may be wrong.
Why are magic streamers such colossal faggots?
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No.414245
>>414233
>HEY guyys, Saff here, probably better known as Saffron Olive, and today we'll be looking at a deck that...
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No.414253
>>414231
>the problem to me is that it's been acknowledged by Wizards and has official sanctioning. This means they create cards that are balanced for it, etc.
I'm not at all against WotC creating EDH-oriented cards, I'm against turning everything into a competition.
Sure a deck has to function and not suck, and a few high-profile/expensive cards don't matter but netdecking until it's pinpointed to win a Grand Prix (so to say, please tell me this doesn't yet exist for EDH) kills the whole use of the format in my honest opinion.
My latest EDH I made was with Valduk, Keeper of the Flame.
Being Tron-ish and needing lots of artifacts and enchantments merely attached to it to work, I could make 1/3rd from the spells of my card pile.
Using old cards from your card pile is one of the reasons I like EDH, and this gets lost when you go full competitive.
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No.414337
The chaos draft is coming along. Any suggestions? Preferably that cost less than $50.
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No.414340
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No.414364
>>414337
Return to Ravnica.
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No.414372
>>414231
>EDH deck exclusive card
>Modern
Ignoring your embarrassing lack of format knowledge, the record should note that only a few EDH cards have been Legacy playable.
>Shardless Agent
>Baleful Strix
>Kess, Dissident Mage
>True-Name Nemesis
And perhaps one or two fringe cards someone shoved into Nic Fit once. While none of these cards has been healthy for the format, in the current meta, none of them are really played. Even TNN is a liability against fast/combo decks.
>>414233
>devote life to a hobby that demands both neurotic obsession and constant second-guessing
>become wispy-chinned manlet with bitch tits who cries every time he loses to combo decks
Seeing what happens to tournament grinders has made me much more comfortable moving away from tournaments.
>>414337
Fate Reforged had some hilariously OP rares, so that should be fun. M15 had some hilariously OP commons, so that should also be fun.
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No.414376
>>414233
lol Those are some nice b-cups on Hoogs.
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No.414391
Tournaments and their players are trash for MtG. All I've seen are salty snowflakes, people that blew judges for an easy win, and casino cheaters.
Casual with your buddies is where it's at.
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No.414392
>>414233
Is this shopped? If not, how does that happen?
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No.414424
So what's the consensus on Pauper as a format? Looking over the deck lists and played cards, it looks like the decks play kitchen table magic from a pool of bad cards, but somehow ends up being competitive and interesting.
For example, the only time you'd see a PT Swap deck is at the kitchen table. Or I guess in this format, which is cool.
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No.414447
>>414424
Pauper is a format in which you can only use commons, so it's bound to be cheap AND kitchentable.
>but somehow ends up being competitive and interesting.
Your card pool gets limited down to any card that got printed in common rarity.
It's just Legacy without uncommons, rares or mythics, so eventually other cards will take the place of these.
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No.414478
The Mythic Invitational is happening at PAX East today and tomorrow (and the day after?) on the Magic Twitch channel. It's as awful as you'd expect.
>two grown men in GAMER CHAIRS playing a card game by staring at two computer monitors
>eyesore LEDs over every surface in sight
>client looks like hearthstone except marginally less cartoony and colourful
>both players playing Esper Control and Mono-Red because the enforced turbo-random Standard format is awful
>>surprise, the pro players figured out how to hedge their bets with deckbuilding
>card art is 3D garbage with WHOOSH SO COOL tweened awful animation
The Twitch plugin integration on the left side of the broadcast is uniquely awful. It's a mess of visual information, has several buttons which show player bios of all things (you care about these e-celebs, right?), and covers up the round timer. I will say it's nice to be able to browse both players' decklists and see every card, but the solution is so inelegant.
I'm currently watching an esper control mirror where both players have plunked Teferi into play umpteen times. If it goes to time, the victor will be decided by who has the higher life total. And this whore on the right is one of the worst commentators I've ever heard. Nasally, the worst fucking unfunny "jokes" I've heard in recent memory, and no knowledge of the game. It's like having a mosquito with a vagina in my ear.
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No.414480
>>414478
Commentators in general should not be a prerequisite to any kind of game or sport broadcast. Why isn't there a stream where there is no commentary and I can just watch some faggy nerds play MTG?
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No.414484
>>414478
Better get used to it if you liked watching magic tournaments. It's easier for people to follow whats happening in the digital client, which translates into more views and more money.
In defense, for any shit you may throw at it, its a better client than modo by a mile.
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No.414532
>>414478
>>card art is 3D garbage with WHOOSH SO COOL tweened awful animation
Yeah, this is terrible. Arena really is miserable to watch people play on. I'm also pretty damn sick of Standard. Couldn't watch more than 15 minutes of it.
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No.414577
>>414480
The worst thing is them saying "autumn needs xxxx for them to win the game" and nobody going against it. I know they've been sucking tranny dicks for a long time, but seeing it pushed and normalized still makes my skin crawl.
>>414484
It boggles me how a digital client that allegedly "simplifies" the experience is worse than any random Legacy event where some dudes suspended a digital camera above a table.
>>414532
I get a kick out of the cucks who actually think cool formats like Legacy and Pauper will be implemented on Arena. The devs have special animations for trash like Nullhide Ferox and Rekindling Phoenix - could you imagine people with those priorities trying to implement The Abyss or Chains of Mephistopheles or Sylvan Library or Oubliette?
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No.414601
>>414577
>The worst thing is them saying "autumn needs xxxx for them to win the game"
At first when I read this I didn't realize what the problem was and thought they were talking about a group of players.
Now I know, and I want to scream.
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No.414620
>>414577
> The devs have special animations for trash like
And this is why I don't think as a client, it will ever replace MTGO unless they kill it outright.
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No.414624
>>414620
Do you people think that animations that last a couple seconds break the bank or something? They are using unity, it is easy as shit.
It is beyond delusional to think mtgo will stick around, even wizards isn't so retarded to keep two digital clients around. They would sooner kill off vintage/legacy support, which bring in no money.
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No.414626
>>414624
>Legacy goes paper-only, held up only by the dedicated autists who have been playing the same deck for 10 years
Honestly, I'd be okay with that.
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No.414631
Poor guy. One of the best in the world, and some cunt's gonna throw you out over what most likely some harmless banter, or nothing at all. This guy's close with all the sjws and lsv crowd, so I'm surprised that he was targetted.
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No.414646
>>414631
>doesn't even say what the "incidents" were, just that he feels "harass-y"
He should sue the cunt for defamation, and then sue the company. Fuck WotC.
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No.414647
It's all about the fetch.
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No.414650
>>414646
Who was the accuser?
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No.414651
>>414647
Pretty. are they fakes?
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No.414652
>>414651
No, my camera randomly swaps between oversaturation and undersaturation. Makes for some colorful shots.
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No.414654
>>414631
>>414646
Honestly, in the current climate, and especially when you're dealing with Wizards and other leftist companies, you don't talk to women at events like this. Very foolish of him. If I were in his shoes before this, I'd try to find some guy that I can trust to follow me everywhere as a witness. Women can literally destroy you with their words if you're a Magic professional. If you can't immeadiately refute it, you're totally boned. Shouldn't make it so easy for them.
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No.414655
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No.414656
>>414624
>>414626
No, I think that it won't because they aren't thorough. Booby Trap and a dozen other cards are broken and don't work as intended on MTGO. How can you expect them to infinitely expand a library of animations if they can't even get the cards right
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No.414659
>Ran Goblin Calamity again
>Came 3rd
>Got a shockland on entry, meh packs otherwise, got a foil Skewer the Critics and exchanged it for another pack
Thinking of running another unconventional deck next week but I can't think of what. At least in my local meta, they're starting to realize I was right to grab a bunch of Isolates, since everyone is dumping 1cc things every game. I should try to unload them fast since they and Ixalan rotate out in the fall.
As for decks, I wanted to do something with Desecrated Tomb, maybe a self mill strategy, but it seems convoluted. Another idea was WB/u prison, but I don't have the cards
>B/g Desecrated Tomb self mill
>WB/u Prison (Deputy of Detention etc)
>WB Bleed (Fountains, Ill-gotten Inheritance)
I might even roll the bleed into the prison deck, not sure what's fun and easy
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No.414681
>>414631
>image but no link
This isn't Twitter, dude. http://archive.fo/UZJy8
On the other hand, this is another opportunity to skim a few chuckles from the pit that is Reddit.
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No.414688
>>414659
Nice to have you back, lgs guy. Haven't read one of your stories in months. Still enjoying Standard?
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No.414689
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No.414698
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No.414709
>>414688
Oh i didn't realize that I was becoming a fixture ITT. Ive mostly been working (retail) so weekends off are infrequent. As for Standard, the mechanics feel like a safe, sanitized version of Modern. As far as the format itself currently goes, I really dislike it. When I actually get a deck going and play it, I enjoy it.
I had a fun idea for a Modern deck, not sure how viable it would be, but Fall of the Thran with Power Conduit for a soft land lock.
Standard doesnt really have any ways to interact with counters unfortunately. Walkers are historic though, so that archetype might be a thing soon.
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No.414711
The guy asked for nudes and now he's being painted as a rapist. Fucking crybullies.
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No.414712
>>414711
Clearly, his behavior as a huwite male is toxic and misogynist and has no place in this diverse and inclusive game, bigot. :(
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No.414713
>>414711
"Harass'y"
Man truly is clown world out there. Don't talk to women if you're a corporateman because there is nothing to be gained from it and only the potential of trouble later.
Feel like what happened is this guy tried to flirt with someone and when asked to stop he did (this is not harassment but simply sexuality). He could have even done it several times (to different women each time and stopping when asked each time). Not to mention a fellow "Man" outs him apparently to establish his epeen. Oh well, if he gets dropped from all corporate contacts and so on I presume his being ridiculously good at the game with massive insight into how its played at the highest levels will translate into youtube dollars or an entire website eventually.
Best of luck to him.
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No.414718
>>414656
Mtgo was fucked from the start, so its kind of a bad comparison point. I'm confident you could hand that pile of shit over to the best game designers in the world and they couldn't fix it.
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No.414782
SPOILERS TIME
Uncommon Planeswalkers confirmed.
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No.414793
>>414698
Yeah, but I like it. It captures the current state of the West.
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No.414795
>>414782
>uncommon
They're unplayable, except for limited and lili in a creature-less control deck, I think. Maybe Ajani can find a home in Standard.
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No.414797
>>414795
A plebbitor spoiled the high rarity plainswalkers, if you can strain your eyes enough to read all of them.
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No.414798
>>414795
Overall, they feel like a more lackluster version of what they did in Dominaria. At least there some of the legends were fun.
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No.414800
>>414797
Why are Planeswalkers "Legendary" now? I thought the legend rule always applied to them.
t. hasn't played since Khans block
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No.414801
>>414800
I believe they changed the particulars of it. If I recall, you used to only be able to have one "type" of a planeswalker before (ex one Ajani planeswallkers at a time). Now it only applies to the specific planeswalker (You can only have one "Ajania the Greathearted", but you can have other Ajanis as well).
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No.414803
>>414801
Yep, planeswalkers are like legendary creatures, where the rule only applies to those that are the exact same card.
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No.414804
>>414797
Just when I thought I couldn't hate this game any more than I already did, they make uncommon PWs. I hope everyone dies and they reset after this, but I know they won't.
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No.414816
>>414803
>>414801
That's really lame. Why did the change the rule? Besides making it "less confusing for new players," as if the average MtG noob is a drooling mouthbreather.
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No.414819
>>414816
>Besides making it "less confusing for new players"
You answered it for yourself.
<Waah, why can't I have multiple planeswalkers out? I want all my jaces!
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No.414822
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No.414823
>set full of planeswalkers
Can't wait for the Atraxa ban in Commander. Worst legendary ever printed, only faggots play her.
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No.414825
>>414819
I hate it.
>>414822
Not playable outside limited, but I like her art. She's kinda cute.
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No.414826
>>414825
Too bad she's a furry.
>>414797
I transcribed all of them except Nissa since I couldn't read hers clearly even with a good amount of zoom.
Enjoy. https://pastebin.com/vXdfpLW3
Nicol Bolas is silly and I love it.
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No.414830
>>414782
Did they not say they'll have one per pack? I feel like they'll displace a common
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No.414831
>>414804
>they make uncommon PWs
Rarity only exists to sell booster packs. Mythic rares have always been acner
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No.414836
>>414826
Nissa, Who Shakes the World 3GG
Legendary Planeswalker — Nissa (R)
Whenever you tap a Forest for mana, add an additional G.
+1: Put three +1/+1 counters on up to one target noncreature land you control. Untap it, then it becomes a 0/0 elemental creature with vigilance and haste that's still a land.
-8: You get an emblem "Lands you control are indestructible". Search library for any number of forests, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle your library.
{5}
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No.414837
>>414825
>that thing
>6 mana
>3 3/3s over 3 turns
>playable in limited
Not sure about that, mate. Maybe if you find a lot of wolves.
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No.414838
>>414823
I play her with Stifle, Winter Orb, and similar. It's fun.
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No.414839
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>414830
It'll be like Dominaria, I think.
>Dack dies/loses his spark in the trailer
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No.414840
>>414839
>THE FUCKING MUSIC IS A DRAMATIC VERSION OF A FUCKING LINKIN' PARK SONG
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP WHAT THE FUCK
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No.414841
>>414839
>nuwalkers doesn't even matter
that about sums it up
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No.414847
>>414841
>>414839
>>414826
>>414797
I like it
Ever since walkers were introduced, they were always at rare/mythic and hard to acquire unless you were lucky, traded for them, or dropped a lot of money, and in smaller stores/areas like mine, there just wasn't a lot of new cards coming in. In addition to their rarity, there's few ways to actually interact with them and almost always at rare (Vraska's Contempt, Bedevil, etc)
Anyways, since they're so low power and do things other than +1/-1/-8 and have static/triggered abilities now, hopefully they're more interactive instead of "midgame do dumb thing every turn"
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No.414850
>>414840
I thought you were kidding.
I thought, "nah, there's no way such a thing even exists, much less was licensed by a company to make an animated trailer for a game with completely static visuals."
And then ti happened. And then
>hand under the rubble
I can't do this. I can't fucking watch this shit. This trumps every cringe video I've seen since like 2011. God. Fuck this game.
>>414839
Lame. I kinda liked Dack. Sure his character was paper thin but "plane hopping dickass thief trying to settle a grudge" worked fine. I hope they don't kill Nahiri. We need an apocalyptic asshole.
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No.414851
>>414847
At least in EDH, walkers are lower tier just because of how easy it is for different people to get in multiple attacks in before your next turn even begins. Only specific superfriends builds sometimes work, and then they are lower tier anyways. None of the new mythic or rare ones I would add to Atraxa, and the only one I think is interesting is the new Bolas.
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No.414852
>>414850
anon I wish I had the fucking tenacity to make up that a serious fucking plot element they're obviously trying to play up the emotion of uses a fucking linkin' park song
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No.414867
>>414797
>still no Garruk
You mean to tell me the planeswalker who specifically exists to hunt down other planeswalkers isn't making an appearance to the single largest convergence of walkers ever?
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No.414871
>>414867
They've gotta be setting him up for the next block, unless they wrote him out because he was problematic to Liliana
Why is Niv reborn or something now?
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No.414875
>>414819
>>414816
I wish they had kept it. It was a nice way to get rid of troublesome planeswalkers and to keep players from stacking certain ones.
>>414823
Atraxa Superfriends will probably become more common. It'll be a good time to sell extra copies too.
>She's $45 fucking dollars now
Now is definitely the time sell if you want to make some good money. The best time will probably be right before the set drops if something in the reveal doesn't kill it.
>>414839
I hope Lili goes and joins her brother in permadeath. Dack dying is pretty funny and I for sure thought Gideon died as he was getting gangbanged for a while there.
>>414851
walkers are only a real threat in casual tables or in tables where people aren't actively trying to win. They really don't do much and they cost a lot. In tables where players are threatening to go off by turn 5 or 6 very regularly, they can be ignored.
>>414867
>Garruk
Hopefully he shows up as Bolas is getting his shit pushed in and kills Jace.
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No.414876
>>414839
I'm going to be honest here, I really like it.
Not going to the pre-release because I hate walkers but dang this trailer is trying to change my mind.
I hope the ending of this arc is somewhat decent in lore and flavour and we can get better non-planeswalker oriented stories again.
>>414875
>walkers are only a real threat in casual tables or in tables where people aren't actively trying to win
You sound like you've never played a limited format before.
Planeswalkers are OP in pre-releases, they either finish the game or by the time I'm done with them they already did too much for me to pick up the pace.
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No.414877
>>414876
I was referring to edh. I should have specified that.
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No.414884
>>414839
Am I watching a Dragonball Z amv?
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No.414889
>>414876
>I'm going to be honest here, I really like it.
Do you like capeshit, too? MTG lore and the trailer seem very similar to that stuff.
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No.414891
>>414782
>>414822
>>414889
So the uncommon pw have 1 ability, rare pw have 2 and mythic has 3?
Is that how it works now?
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No.414894
The set has non-planeswalker cards.. hahaa
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No.414897
>>414891
>not "you gain life equal to the total damage dealt this way
I still like the card but I would like it much better like this, purely for EDH purposes of course.
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No.414901
>>414797
>>414826
>transcribed
You know you can just find the text on MythicSpoiler, right?
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No.414904
>>414847
Your justification for liking the change is retarded.
>planeswalkers were always powerful and rare, and thus pricey
>i'm glad WotC fixed this by making them invade even more enchantment design sapce, and far less powerful in the process
>>414876
>dang this trailer is trying to change my mind
<a trailer featuring a dramatic cover of a linkin park song for some of MTG's least interesting characters in an event that shamelessly rips off Marvel movies is getting me super hyyyyyype!!!! XDDD
At least tell me you're not doing it for free.
>>414891
I didn't notice that pattern, but that seems to be the case. The ability distribution and multiple rarities might just be a one-set gimmick, though; time will tell if they plan to have rare/uncommon PWs in future sets.
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No.414915
>>414901
Not when I posted the pastebin.
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No.414921
>>414839
APRIL FOOLS, EVERYONE!
The joke is that trailer is not a joke
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No.414934
>>414889
Funny thing is I absolutely hate capeshit.
Haven't even watched any of the supposedly good ones like Avengers.
The trailer just looks cool in my honest opinion.
>>414904
For some reason I like the format of a planeswalker with a permanent aura and only one ability.
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No.414937
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No.414945
>>414891
>>414889
>All this rules baggage suddenly entering standard
They wot
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No.414949
>new angrath has amass, the bolas mechanic
>angrath, the literal minotaur dad who after 15 years stuck on ixalan has legitimately no reason to be here
>or any reason to be working for bolas
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No.414953
>>414949
>Has no reason to work for Bolas
Pssh, that's where you're wrong, kiddo. He shares TWO colors with Bolas!
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No.414968
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No.414969
>>414839
I'll place my bet, they're going to try for an Infinity War rip-off ending where Bolas wins and they kill off half the cast.
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No.414972
>>414949
They just needed an excuse to bring back buff minotaur daddy for the furry crowd.
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No.414973
>>414972
>Furry barashit
No thanks, I like dinosaurs
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No.414980
War of the Spark
https://magic.wizards.com/en/products/warofthespark/cards
Nice effect on Bolas
>>414839
Lili dies? Yeah.
yfw she comes back as a zombie
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No.414999
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No.415001
>>414999
It seems way under-costed.
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No.415004
>>414999
So for 3 mana you slow your opponent down to sorcery speed, once per turn you can haste your sorceries and cast them off turn, AND you build up loyalty counters on this guy. Oh and he comes in with a fat stack of loyalty counters already so if you need to use him to spot remove something or just need the free card draw you can do that too.
This card has way too much fucking utility for 3 mana.
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No.415005
>>414822
>>414999
Is it me or do these "enchantments with an extra (limited) ability" type of planeswalkers look like more fun?
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No.415006
>>415005
I don't like them specifically but I agree that the concept is more fun than the "free shit and then the ult is just win the game" sorta deal planeswalkers had before.
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No.415017
>>415006
That's exactly what I meant.
Always hated the Planeswalkers: mythic rare, free ability every turn building up to a finisher, little to no interaction with the board whatsoever, ruining limited.
Now they made them more interactive with the passive ability, and one regular that you can only use a limited time (for the uncommon ones at least).
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No.415045
>>414894
>>414980
Non-pw cards in a pw-focused set? Blasphemy!
>>414999
Why is Idris Elba on a magic card
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No.415085
>>415045
I think we joked about Eddy Murphy/Idris Ebla/other nigger as a planeswalker 30 times before during Dominaria.
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No.415087
What'll happen to Standard with all these planeswalkers? Which ones will see play?
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No.415102
>>415045
That small text on the type line looks really janky.
But also, it looks like they're pushing temporary card draw as a major red ability now (eg Light up the Stage, Experimental Frenzy)
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No.415118
>>415102
>temporary card draw as a major red ability now
They've been doing that for years since Chandra, Pyromaster was well-received. Outpost Siege and Ire Shaman predate this set by several years each.
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No.415162
>>415102
You don't lose the cards you draw, just the mana if you don't spend it. It would be great for red cancer on arena if it cost 1 less.
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No.415164
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No.415170
>>415164
A Mary Sue most likely.
People are suggesting it's Elspeth
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No.415183
>>415170
I think that would be too good for WotC to do.
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No.415190
>>415183
according to the preview (((lore))) it's a character who's spark forces her to planeswalk, she can't stay in the same plane for long as her spark will literally rip her to another plane for (((reasons)))
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No.415199
>>415164
It's (You) but unironically.
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No.415207
>>415164
I love how they reference older cards in the art.
In other news, I hate that faggots in my local scene will think the shadowmage covering up his own name is funny.
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No.415208
>>415207
Epic :D Wizards is an awesome company, I literally cried when I saw the trailer. That is the real reaction some fags had in the jewtube comments
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No.415213
>>415207
I'm more pissed that the shadowmage does absolutely nothing of value and is just yet another Rack effect.
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No.415239
You have Abyssal Persecutor on the battlefield. Neither player has cards in the library, hand or battlefield (aside from your Abyssal Persecutor). Is the game really stuck till someone concedes?
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No.415240
>>415239
abyssal persecutor doesn't prevent you from milling yourself out, you can still lose.
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No.415242
>>415207
>covering his own name
Wait, really? I thought that was like a weird defect in the sheet or something. That can't be intentional. It looks like fucking ass.
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No.415246
>>415199
You know that actually sounds cool and the only excuse why WotC could design a sex-neutral planeswalker (in terms of appearance) if you're still in denial that 95+% of the playerbase is male so it still only makes sense to make it male.
Such a shame that WotC is the master of bad execution these days.
Obviously female planeswalker, white and not colorless,...
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No.415247
>>415246
Wait, I just remembered that we the players are actually Planeswalkers ourselves using spells a.k.a. our library so making a planeswalker that represents the player himself would be stupid.
Never mind my opinion I'm apparently retarded.
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No.415250
What's the point of a colored artifact?!?
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No.415251
>>415250
It's 2019 they're just black people, or niggers as I like to call them. But yeah doesn't that defeat the purpose of an artifact if it has a mana color attached to it.
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No.415255
>>415250
haven't colored artifacts been around for quite some time tho?
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No.415256
>>415255
At least since Esper, possibly earlier. They also showed up in Scars block, but I don't remember if they were in Mirrodin.
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No.415258
>>415256
In Alara it was because Esper had a heavy artifact theme.
In New Phyrexia it was limited to stuff you could pay life for.
Now it's because WotC hates Enchantress and doesn't want that playstyle to be viable.
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No.415265
>>415258
>Now it's because WotC hates Enchantress and doesn't want that playstyle to be viable.
Never ascribe malice when ignorance or greed requires fewer leaps of logic, and "Alara and NPh were both popular, lets try to catch that lightning in a bottle" not only requires fewer assumptions as a whole, it is something WotC has done far more often than kill a whole playstyle with a few cards.
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No.415276
>>415258
They were in Theros block, too, though they were all enchantment artifacts. That's probably what they're going for here as well.
That doesn't make it any less stupid, I'll give you that it's another encroachment onto Enchantment design space that isn't necessary...like this whole set is.
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No.415292
>>415265
>>415250
Rosewater said it’s because high-volume colorless artifacts have been a problem in the past (cf. the unmitigated garbage fire that was Kaladesh Standard), so they’ve decided to start printing colored artifacts more often. I’ll withhold judgment unless it becomes obvious that it’s just stupid.
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No.415296
>>415250
>>415292
Coloured artifacts actually sound nice in terms of flavor.
Maybe also in terms of playability, I mean you could make a strong card-draw artifact in blue now, something you can't in colorless.
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No.415318
>>415250
>they're even making the artifacts coloured
Is this political correctness gone mad? No, just more of modern MtG rejecting everything that made it what it is today.
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No.415342
>>415318
anon they're making artifacts colored due to artifact blocks like kaladesh being broken due to them being fucking idiots
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No.415344
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No.415347
>>415276
<This set totally isn't related to the previous sets
<Stop calling it a block
<It just happens to take place in Ravnica as a backdrop!
>Continues to use mechanics and themes from the previous two blocks
Uh huh.
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No.415348
>>415342
>>415318
They don't like color interactions anymore. Protection? Too complex for new players. Color hate? Not fun to play against, how are you supposed to win? Muh non-games
Black doesn't even have "nonblack" anymore.
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No.415350
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No.415407
LGS anon here. I think looking at the spoilers so far, I want to try to make a WU Prison deck for standard, featuring Deputy of Detention and Forbidding Spirit.
These cards work really well with blink effects. You can get a soft infinite ETB loop with two Lumbering Battlements. With ETB proliferate creatures you can get a lot of counters on things (such as the 1G creature). Because of Proliferate I also want to try putting Magistrates Scepter into it as a wincon.
It feels incredibly janky but I'll look forward to building into it over time. Its bant colors, but I worry I'd run out of cards or life by turn 5, given how aggressive the meta is
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No.415412
>>415407
Scepter is the hidden spec, might as well pick up 40.
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No.415422
Also
>Proliferate on land etb
>Scapeshift in standard
>They just gave you a "free" way to ult planeswalks on like turn 5 with ramp and reclamation
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No.415435
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No.415445
>>415422
>Scapeshift in standard
Without payoffs like valakut, the card is pretty useless. It's been in Standard for a while now. Has is it seen play yet?
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No.415462
>>415445
I use it in a variant of the gates deck. It's okay.
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No.415493
>>415445
What kind of cards need to exist to act as a payoff? Like you get a single card like Wildgrowth Walker that pushes you into explore, and a few cards to enable it (the green guy and Jadelight) but where do you have enough support to say "okay, this is what I need"?
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No.415494
>>415493
For Standard, you'd need something like Tireless Tracker. Yeah, Tracker and Scapeshift sounds like a decent combo.
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No.415514
>>415494
If it was decent it'd be seeing play already
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No.415527
>>415514
Tracker's not in Standard, man. Modern's wholly different. I'm not saying it's all that great. Even in a weak Standard with Scapeshift, you'd probably want some more payoff than being able to awkwardly draw a few cards if you have the creature in play and it doesn't get killed in response to you putting scapeshift on the stack.
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No.415563
>>415527
No shit it's not in standard. I'm saying if that particular interaction was as strong as you said, it would be seeing play (in Modern, the format it exists in). I know it's a diffferent set of cards, but standard right now is basically stillborn, it's so boring and I hope the next set makes it a little better
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No.415667
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No.415672
>>415667
>8cc
My first thought is how to cheat it out
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No.415676
>>415667
>karn hits mana rocks
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No.415678
>>415667
>Karn either blocks Parhelion II or cheats it into the game itself
I don't know how I should feel about this.
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No.415686
>>415678
Putting something from your sideboard into your hand isn't cheating it into the game. You'd still need to play the card.
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No.415687
>>415679
Jaya from Time Spiral and earlier is the only Jaya to me. These new ones are just 2d mockeries of her.
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No.415689
I hate this cunt so much. New card just came out with her reaching out to a spirit, as if she just didn’t rape the Orzhov. Fucking hate this ursurper.
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No.415704
>>415689
She's getting pushed hard. I wouldn't be surprised if Kaya takes Jace's place as the head of the gatewatch.
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No.415708
>>415667
Karn provides a way to retrieve cards from exile, a cheap and colorless way at that. +1 really seems like its main use is animating enemy artifacts so they can be burned/doom bladed. That is sadly the most interesting thing I've seen in this entire set.
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No.415709
>>415704
Well Jace is the most boring character in all of Magic, so just about anybody else would be a step up.
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No.415710
>>415667
Can't wait for Karn to get banned in Commander.
Being able to shut down the entirety of anyone's decks by cheating in a Mycosynth Lattice on turn 4 sure is fun.
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No.415713
>>415689
>>415704
>Kaya takes Jace's place as the head of the gatewatch
>mfw
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No.415716
>>415686
Whoops my fault, I thought it got into play.
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No.415718
>The infamous boar-god of the Gruul
>Green manes
>Mono-red instead of G/R
Can they do anything right?
New commander ruined, flavor ruined, shit I'm mad.
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No.415719
>>415710
As if thats the most cancerous thing that can be done in the early game in EDH
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No.415732
Thanks for the new infinite combo.
>>415710
I don't know if wishes are allowed in commander.
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No.415734
>>415732
copies are not cast anon
t- someone who tried to do this with niv misset
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No.415736
>>415734
disregard this I suck cocks
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No.415739
>>415718
Good thing this set is unrelated to the Ravnica sets and isn't formally part of a block :)
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No.415746
>>415710
Wishes and similar don’t work in edh without your group’s approval; there are no sideboards/wishboards to pull from.
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No.415748
>>415718
The fact that a boar-god exists, much less one as stupid-looking as that with its neon-green hair, is what I find to be stupid.
Though, you are right in that since this shit does exist, it should be g/r.
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No.415754
>>415718
>God
Not indestructuble. 3RR for 6/6 trample with all upside; only downside is legendary. Why?
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No.415755
>>415748
>The fact that a boar-god exists, much less one as stupid-looking as that with its neon-green hair, is what I find to be stupid.
I kind of like the design, and that boar-god's existence has been mentioned in the lore since the first Ravnica IIRC.
It's worshiped by the Gruul, it's part of their religion/philosophy against civilization, it even has a green ability (playing creatures from your hand).
It's beyond me why they made him mono-red especially with the green mane design.
Apparently there's going to be a mono-coloured god cycle, of which the others will be from Amonkhet.
>>415754
>Not indestructuble
Oh yeah, forgot that.
What a shit design now you mention this.
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No.415759
>>415710
>put it
INTO
YOUR
==HAND=
>>415754
>>415755
>indestructible
He's got the delayed recursion thing the old Amonkhet gods have, except his also works if you exile him because fuck you.
>mono-coloured god cycle
That'd be so stupid I can easily believe it. Man, and I thought Dominaria was References: The Set.
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No.415760
>>415755
The boar’s ability is a reference to cards like Sneak Attack and Into The Breach, originally mono-red abilities where a creature is put onto the battlefield temporarily. I still feel like it should be g/r, at least as a hybrid
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No.415762
>mono-coloured gods
Dammit, he was right.
>mediocre sorcery where everything is 4 except the life gained
Why?
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No.415775
How viable is card discarding mid-late game in Modern?
I'm thinking of switching my 4x Lashwrithe with something else (playing mono-black devotion).
I looked up and found this card, but 1/3 for 2BB and a free Thoughtseize seems a bit meagre at turn 4-5.
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No.415776
>>415775
Do note it's a bit of a casual deck, esle I'd include Phyrexian Obliterator.
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No.415781
>>415759
>Put it into your hand
And then cheat it out with Goblin Welder, or Daretti, or any other artifact cheaty card. Please read before acting like a complete retard.
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No.415784
>>415781
>hand
>goblin welder
>hand
>daretti
>hand
>>>hand
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No.415786
MagicAids just made a deck to abuse London mulligan in MTGO.
>Into the Breach but with multiple combat steps with Griselbrand
Pretty funny
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No.415787
>>415784
>red
>discard effects out the ass
>faithless looting
>wheel of fortune
>gamble
It's ok retard, go back to Standard where eating paste is acceptable.
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No.415789
>>415787
Even if Daretti is your commander and you can loot away a Mycosynth so that your Welder can put it into play, you need all three of them in play to make this happen. So you need to play two 4 cost cards and a 1 cost, presumably you'll play Welder turn 1 and then ramp on 2 so you can play Karn on 3 and then Daretti or vice versa but this is a magical christmas land that a singleton format doesn't make likely. Plus you aren't playing both of them on the same turn, Karn or Daretti has to be first and once someone sees that you have Welder and either of them on the field (assuming they let it happen in the first place) what makes you think it won't eat removal? That is exactly the kind of thing that is a removal magnet.
This combo is fragile and not as good as you think it is, you're being retarded. Apologize to the other anon.
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No.415792
>tfw no cute, magic-playing, japanese gf
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No.415803
>>415709
I'd rather have a boring character than a Mary Sue.
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No.415835
Last week of playing Goblin Cavalcade! Turnout was 10 players, went 2-2 on my matches. Might have made the cut to top 4, but I have to work in the morning so I left a bit early. Made some good trades, acquired 2 more shocklands, someone was interested in a big stack of my $15-$40 cards, so I have to assess them and figure out a trade (he has fetches and even 2 Gaea's Cradles, which he got from buying lots). Hopefully I can get something of value, though he's a good friend and hopes for a deal because of the bulk number of cards he wants.
Anyways, the two decks to beat right now are his Red burn deck, which runs risk factors, light up the stage, and just a lot of cheap guys and burn. I had a game where I put 3 fountains of renewal into play and he still managed to blitz me out like it was nothing. Disgusting deck. Other deck is some mono black value deck with those priests and reassembling skeletons and demons. Seems midrangey and is actually interesting to play against.
Next brew is probably going to be something from pics related. I want to do the Lumbering Battlement infinite combo, but I'm not sure how resilient it is to disruption. There's a good number of cards in all colors to support a White and/or Blue base. Probably going to go 3 colors. For example, Red can go infinite mana off the Wily Goblin (but I don't think the store has any). Green seems weaker, except for the Knight of Autism. Aviation Pioneer and Skyscanner give me on-color tokens and draw anyways, so it'll probably be a WUB/Esper blink deck with fringe prison/control elements.
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No.415853
Also since this is the only magic thread being posted in, I just saw the new cycle of spoiled cards, the Bonds. I'm a little perturbed by the color pairs that are represented in the art, even though they're monocolored spells:
>W: Bond of Discipline: Orzhov (WB) Azorius (WU) [WUB]
>U: Bond of Insight: Dimir (UB) Izzet (UR) [UBR]
>B: Bond of Revival: Golgari (GB) Rakdos (BR) [BRG]
>R: Bond of Passion: Gruul (RG) Boros (WR) [RGW]
>G: Bond of Flourishing: Simic (GU) Selesnya (GW) [GWU]
Oh look, it's allied colored shards.
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No.415935
>>415853
Bond of Passion does NOT target planeswalkers..... sad
Meanwhile in blue; Spark Double. I would have named it Illusion Spark
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No.415941
>>415853
>allied, not enemy pairs
Lazy fucks. I hate them.
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No.415969
I've got some extended/modern cards I want to sell on ebay. Whens the best time to sell them? Shock lands, paths to exile type of thing. I've quit the game with zero interest in returning so I'm looking to cash out before it collapses.
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No.415974
>>415969
It depends on the card and if there was a recent buyout. It's pretty crazy right now as people are buying stupid shit left and right, which is driving up prices. Sell into hype whenever you can and never buy into hype. For cards that aren't spiking, I'd look at sites like mtggoldfish or mtgstocks and sell when they're running hot or at least when they aren't bottoming out. I wouldn't sell shocks near the time they rotate out as a lot of them are going to be getting dumped on the market at that time. A lot of cards are either running low in supply and are rising in price or are outright being bought out. Sell those cards when their prices skyrocket and hopefully before enough of them get put back on the market. mtg is fucking stupid right now with card prices, so use that to your benefit.
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No.415976
>>415974
Fucking stupid how? I'm looking to just dump a bunch of shocks and such.
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No.415978
>>415974
There are buyouts for cards that get mentioned on various youtube channels and popular online forums, even though they aren't that good.
>pic related
Feather is a card that is causing all sorts of other cards to spike and there are numerous buyouts and this is for a card that hasn't been released yet, so it doesn't actually have a good deck to its name yet. People are just trying to buy into the next Arclight Phoenix and Hydroid Krasis before they shoot into the $30/$40 range. I was saying to keep an eye out for which cards are spiking and which cards are drying up and to then sell those cards while their prices are still high. This is selling into the hype. The hype could end up being real and you could lose some money, but that's going to be far and few between. For selling shocks, look at mtggoldfish and compare the price of shocks from the current sets to older sets to get an idea of how much they can grow. If you feel the price is right this moment, then sell. For example, Steam Vents from GRN is currently running around $11. It used to be running a little bit higher some months ago, but it's getting soft. The next standard and masters sets are going to be dumping a lot of new cards into the game, so it'll be hard to tell how things are going to play out. However, you can again keep an eye out for cards that are spiking and sell those cards if you have them. You really just need to look at each card that you want to sell and ask yourself if the current price is right to sell at. For shocks, a bad time to sell is around rotation as a lot of them will be getting dumped at that time. Steam Vents will probably hold their value unless Izzet Phoenix gets shat on by wotc. If you have a fetch land like Scalding Tarn, the time to sell was a week or two ago when they were pushing towards $120. They're falling back into the $80s now. That's nearly a $40 difference over the course of a few weeks at most. That's how stupid and volatile magic is right now.
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No.415979
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No.415982
>>415978
>For example, Steam Vents from GRN is currently running around $11
But depending on how much presence you have while trading, you could probably do the set for $50 value, if you sold in person at a store to another player, citing that you did the work to get a set together
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No.415984
>>415982
>But depending on how much presence you have while trading, you could probably do the set for $50 value, if you sold in person at a store to another player, citing that you did the work to get a set together
I can't imagine a single situation where anyone would go along with that semetic angle.
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No.415986
In five to ten years time, is Arena going to put paper magic on life support? It's going to happen eventually: If Magic lives long enough, paper cards are going to be supplanted by their online counterparts. I'd be wary to spend a lot of money on paper, especially with all the chinese counterfeits.
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No.415987
>>415986
>Chinese counterfeits
You mean High Quality Proxies™?
I'd rather support chinks than WotC at this point, which is sad.
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No.415990
>>415987
Would you play magic clone with all niggers replaced by chinks?
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No.415993
>>415978
The hell are they speculating on this thing for? What does a 3 mana do nothing do in modern? As for standard, there are few combat tricks worth a damn. Maybe dive down in a jeskai deck? Still seems mediocre to me.
>>415978
Isn't the second set of shocks released around the same price as the latest releases? I think the originals are the only ones in the 20's, probably for collector/show off purposes.
I really can't fathom these financefags. The mtg market is so fucked, and compared to shit like the stock market, there is little to be made.
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No.416010
>>415993
it doesn't need to be modern playable, krasis isn't.
feather sure as hell ain't krasis though.
i guess it's just because it's one of the few spoiled cards that could even be used in constructed, but it has the same problem as the other angels: too clunky for aggro, not strong enough to fight azcanta.
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No.416013
>>415993
>The mtg market is so fucked, and compared to shit like the stock market, there is little to be made.
Like the stock market, it's all gambling. The big money is in Alpha and Beta cards. That's where you get silly shit like pic related. That's also where you'll start finding millionaire investors along with lucky cunts who got into magic years ago and have cards that aren't fucked from use. A lot of the stupid shit you see in newer cards is from cryptofags and relative poorfags who are buying into hype in hopes of making some money back by catching cards before they explode in value. That's where buyouts come from as well. I know a number of people who can't afford a car, but pray their non-reserve list magic cards are able to retain their value. I know a lot of people that work at shops and hope their reserve list cards are going to grow in value, so that they can retire as well. It really is just gambling when you think about it and no different than other gambles like the stock market
>>415987
I look forward to the day when proxies are of better quality than actual magic cards. The quality of paper cards is pretty shitty. Foils are especially bad, but they sell really well thanks to the edh crowd.
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No.416015
I'm not looking to make a huge bank on my old cards, just clear up space and if it's going to get me $200s then all the better. I had a huge collection of commons and uncommons about 10 years old now and I simply burned most of them. I really didn't give a fuck and I don't now. If it wasn't $10-20 a card I would burn them too but that's enough money I can get some nice models out of it.
I'm not sure if I'm better off using something like Magicmadhouse to sell it all off in bulk or using ebay to sell each card for more value but have a higher cost of postage. My local shop has shut down that I used to play at and I don't feel like jewing people for a few extra bucks.
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No.416016
>>416015
You can also sell to sites like tcg and ck for cash. You won't get the full value, but it is pretty easy and you can check out how much they're buying cards for ahead of time.
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No.416018
>ratchet bomb attached to an untapped land
what hero managed to sneak something useful into this trash set.
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No.416020
>>415978
Feather needs to show her face
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No.416027
Holy fuck, this is some anime-tier bullshit right here
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No.416031
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No.416032
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No.416034
>>416027
>That flavor text
EX
DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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No.416035
>>416034
Frick, didn't meant to quote someone.
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No.416036
>>416034
>>416035
Amazing. I'm glad you posted this ,because I wanted to draw a shitty blackface nigger Kaya on the huwite guy. But I didn't think it would be worth the effort, but I'm happy that someone else saw how awful it is. Christ
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No.416040
>>416036
MtG had such a good flavor text for more than a decade, they're REALLY making an effort to spoil that reputation.
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No.416043
>>416027
Is Bolas made out of zombie metal now?
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No.416046
>>416040
Take a shot every time you see a nucard with bad art or flavor text. At least then your suffering will soon be over
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No.416048
>>416046
this entire cycle pisses me off, why these boring combinations of the guilds? Shouldn't it be finding common ground in someone who's usually your enemy, because it's war time?
Like if they wanted to keep them sharing colors, why not say, Rakdos and Boros? Rakdos and Izzet? Something that isn't just their literal neighbor?
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No.416050
>>416048
>>416046
The cycle annoys me because the flavor text is garbage and betrays the guilds every single time for a stupid meme joke. This is not the set for stupid jokes, it just shakes my entire faith in them being able to deliver on the plot they're planning if they can't take their flavor text seriously for ten seconds. Not that I had a lot of faith to begin with, I'm still pretty confident they're just going to nuke Bolas out of existence now.
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No.416068
>>416048
>Ravnica smolders around them
>No nigresses were harmed in the making of this set
>The smoke clears, there is one planeswalker that stands tall, a leader among them
>Kaya
>"Truly, this was the War of The Spark™!"
>"Now we must all protect the multiverse from evil no matter what happens!"
>Liliana, and every UBR-aligned planeswalker agree and nod, solmenly phasing into the sunset where other adventures await
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No.416071
>>416046
>Butch dyke hair
>Man-like jaw
>Almost no tits
Something tells me the left one is supposed to be a trannie.
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No.416076
Alright. I'm tired of Standard and want to get into Modern. I like decks with lots of choices and play , and no deck is out of my pricerange. What should I get?
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No.416078
>>416076
Nothing. Modern is Standard but even shittier somehow.
EDH is the only format worth investing in, as it's the only format worth playing.
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No.416080
>>416076
>no deck is out of my pricerange
Can I interest you in Legacy?
>>416078
>EDH is the only format worth investing in
>EDH is worth investing in
You know what would instantly improve the format tenfold? Banning every card that was first printed in a Commander supplement.
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No.416081
>>416080
>no herald's horn
>no path of ancestry
Here we see the Atraxa player in their natural habitat, drooling from the mouth due to lack of anything going on in their tiny brain.
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No.416082
>>416081
>Atraxa, Praetor's Voice
>original printing Commander 2016
This is exactly the kind of literacy one would expect of someone who just wants to slam ETB value creatures into eachother. Current year EDH is fucking uncivilized.
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No.416083
>>416082
You know what would make EDH better? Banning problem commanders like Atraxa. Leave the cards that actually make games fun and decks interesting, but shit like Atraxa needs to go.
While we're at it, get rid of stax pieces in commander. Ward of Bones shouldn't exist.
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No.416084
>>416083
>get rid of stax pieces in commander
lol no. If you want to combo off, then you need to work for it.
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No.416085
>>416080
>Can I interest you in Legacy?
Yeah, sure.
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No.416086
>>416083
You’re gonna take my Winter Orb and you’re gonna like it, fag.
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No.416087
>>416084
>>416086
Winter Orb is fine. It's when faggots start playing shit like Ward of Bones that I start getting pissed off. You should not be able to completely shut off an entire deck by sitting there with your thumb up your ass for having no creatures.
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No.416088
>>416087
>not running removal for artifacts
Fag
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No.416089
>>416088
Someone always breaks that deck out when I decide to play Rat tribal but the moment I choose Selvala or Arahbo it goes right back to Edric.
Funny that.
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No.416090
>>416087
There are lots of ways around it and you're generally in for a bad time if you don't run removal in edh.
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No.416091
>>416083
>>416087
>I'M NOT HAVING FUN! BAN THIS!
You sound like the kind of guy who bitches about Rest in Peace or Humility. I'm going to go out of my way to make you miserable, and THEN combo off.
>>416085
Well if you want decision trees, you can play 8 cantrips that are actually good (Brainstorm, Ponder) alongside fetchlands and free countermagic. Maybe Delver or Stoneblade would be up your alley?
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No.416092
>>416091
Rest in Peace and Humility is fine. Shit like Atraxa which is just "I'm gonna loop Chain Veil's effect indefinitely and win the game with superfriends, better have a stifle or counter for CV" shouldn't exist. I'm fine with pillow forts. Cards like Ward of Bones shouldn't exist that prevent me from playing the game while you sit there with your thumb up your ass jerking yourself off waiting for your combo pieces.
However seeing as how you seem to be a Legacy player, there's no help for you, and I wholeheartedly wish that WotC kills off your shitty format alongside Modern.
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No.416097
>>46092
>Invalidating an entire strategy with a 2cmc fire-and-forget enchantment is fine
>invalidating an entire strategy with 6cmc artifact that also imposes play restrictions on its controller is bad for the game
Maybe you should stop being casual.
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No.416098
>>416085
Please do not actually spend thousands of dollars buying into Legacy. Just use counterfeits.
MTGTheSource is still the best place on the internet for Legacy discussion and decklists, so have a look around there and see if something tickles your fancy. If you like decision trees, then you'll likely be playing blue for cantrips as the other anon mentioned. There are a few options:
>stoneblade
Control deck that wins through Batterskull/Jitte beatdown protected by counterspells and removal. Base UW, but can splash into a third colour for sideboard/fringe cards.
>miracles
Hard control deck that wins through ult-ing Teferi or Jace after grinding the game to a halt through board wipes like Terminus.
>grixis control
More of a midrangey control shell which relies on removal and hand disruption to stop opponents. Wins with whatever it has on the board, which is usually Gurmag Angler or Snapcaster Mage.
>Leovold BUG
Straight midrange, but so many modular cards every game is different, and is often slow enough it needs to play the control game vs many decks. Wins by sticking Leovold into play for multiple turns and burying the opponent in card advantage.
There are also some combo decks you may enjoy, but I'm not sure if that fits your definition of "lots of play." Generally when people say that, they mean being able to switch gears and adapt based on the game state, which Legacy combo decks don't really do.
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No.416099
>>416098
>>416091
Thanks, mates. I'll look into those decks.
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No.416102
Fag looking to sells hit again. I've got 4 blood crypts, 3 stomping grounds and 4 overgrown tombs. Should I ebay the play sets or do them as singles?
Did the new ravnica set increase or decrease their value right now?
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No.416103
It really does look like Kaya is joining the Gatewatch. It was a joke that she would take over for Jace, but it looks like wotc didn't get that. She's been getting pushed hard, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Kaya becoming the new face of magic at this point.
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No.416104
>>416103
did you think they pushed her for no reason?
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No.416105
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No.416107
>>416103
>I wouldn't be surprised to see Kaya becoming the new face of magic at this point.
I have seen only like 3 women ever playing MtG, all white and daddy issues as far as I could tell.
Never have I seen negroes play MtG either.
While I don't have anything against black people in MtG (Teferi is ancient and pretty cool) Kaya was already forced to begin with and making a forced diversity token the face of your brand is brand suicide in my honest opinion.
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No.416108
>>416107
I've seen 1 pajeet but other wise it's always white dudes. The only women you see are attached to their boyfriend or just turning up to be social.
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No.416109
>>416104
>did you think they pushed her for no reason?
Not at all. I just find it funny that wotc would be this open with it, but magic is a lot more pozzed now than it used to be thanks to how many new people have joined in the last few years alone. I wouldn't be surprised if actual trannies start showing up in future sets at this rate.
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No.416110
>>416109
Mate... There's already trannies. And homo kings. Theros is where it went completely off the rails.
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No.416111
>>416107
>brand suicide
For us, for their new audience it isn't going to do a fucking thing because the people who want to buy and play it will continue to do so. Some don't care, some actually like it, and some won't leave because of it like the posters here who continue to draft or play Magic despite ranting about how shitty its become. Forced diversity, shitty plots, bad flavor text, virtue signalling...none of it will kill Magic and its time you stopped believing that it can be killed and just accept that its going to be shit and alive for the rest of your life.
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No.416112
>>416110
>Theros is where it went completely off the rails.
I forgot about Alesha's bs. To be fair, I don't remember Alesha ever getting as much attention as Kaya currently is. I'll amend what I said earlier. I wouldn't be surprised if wotc starts pushing gender fluid characters in future sets as hard as it's pushing Kaya now.
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No.416113
>>416112
Goy... There's that planeswalker who is exactly like that. There's even an article on she/him/it being pronounless and shit. Ashok or something like that. And there's the autistic planeswalker thing.
>>416111
Magic will die like all tabletop games will die. Their audience is white men, who aren't making up the majority of children any more. And those who are are more interested in youtube videos and minecraft. Magic has a serious problem with demographics and pissing off it's userbase with tranny shit isn't helping. The kickstarter fad won't last forever and when it bursts it's going to swing a scythe through /tg/ companies. Didn't WOTC already cut back on a shit load of events already?
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No.416114
>>416112
Ashiok is already genderfluid (genderless I think, technically, but same difference) so you're behind a bit on this front.
>>416113
Magic's economy could crash tomorrow and it would still crawl for a decade. It won't die in your lifetime.
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No.416116
>>416114
Magic's economy isn't important, it's WOTC pushing new sets. If they get a successful digital model and the /tg/ market pops like the tech bubble did they will go entirely digital. Remember how Yahoo was the biggest search engine and everyone used it? Now it's barely a foot note on the internet. It's not difficult for a game to suicide. You will still get autists but they won't shift any way.
If nothing else you have to explain how shops being replaced by the internet isn't going to destroy WOTCs player base and acquiring new players.
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No.416119
>>416013
>Like the stock market, it's all gambling.
Not really. t. neet that learned fundamental and technical analysis and looked at some reports and have made a grand a week for 2 months by daytrading
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No.416120
>>416119
Nigeria rubbles doesn't count as a grand even if you earn 1,000 of them. And we all know you're full of shit because you're a loser who likes pedo cartoons and can't resist posting them.
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No.416121
>>416111
Thing is, MtG WOULD die at this pace, but Arena is keeping it alive.
If you believe Creepy Rudy, the playerbase is increasing again and heck I believe it.
My nephew started playing because of Arena, my best friend got back into MtG because of a few games of Arena and Pewdiepie reached his normie audience streaming a few couple of not!Hearthstone.
I don't know how long Arena will keep it alive, I do know that their real, core playerbase a.k.a. the fa/tg/uys and older guys with jobs and a life won't keep going to Standard.
Only if Arena would get the full card database to enable Vintage, Modern and EDH.
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No.416122
>>416121
Arena needs to add other modes like Commander (or rather, Frontier or whatever the fuck they call it when they limit it to current Arena-viable sets) before it can really begin to encroach on MTGO, but its a decent client for sure that greatly appeals to more players. I know I personally dropped all paper magic to play Arena because I am tired of keeping track of both life totals and watching people's hand movements so they don't cheat (if you don't, they will) and my card games of choice are all dead by now. Also I'm already banned from two stores because I performed card tricks to entertain some kids before the tournament and then got accused of cheating later because I can do card tricks...and then the owner talked to another owner and he also banned me for 'cheating'.
If Arena adds in Commander-lite then I'll probably consider throwing more money in because as is its just my alternative to paper cancer. If Arena consumes the paper market entirely and strangles my local stores to death I'm not going to lose sleep over it, fuck them.
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No.416124
>>416076
>modern
>decks with choices
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No.416126
>>416113
>>416114
having some sexless eldritch humanoid horror isn't really the same thing. that's just normal fantasy...
>There's even an article on she/him/it being pronounless and shit.
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No.416127
>>416113
The SJWs already claimed that Karn was trans, too
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No.416128
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No.416132
>>416092
Cancer like you is whats killing Magic. You would have never survived the 90's version of the game, even at casual tables, where decks like Lando, Erhmaggedon, mono-blue tempo, Stasis control, and prison were still very common.
God forbid if you played a tournament.
>>416103
>>416107
Every woman I've ever seen play Magic was there to meet boys, or were with a significant other, and they always play socially.
Funny enough, Indianapolis has a small, but loyal contingency of brothers playing Commander (or at least did). They almost always played with each other though, but if other people were around, weren't against them joining. I don't know whatever came of them though.
I would actually enjoy running into them, because they were all decent brewers, and a few even played other formats. However, after a disagreement with a store owner, they left for another store and I never figured out where it was.
>>416112
>Theros
>Pic Related
>>416107
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No.416134
>>416132
>Cancer like you is what's killing magic
I'm not a transnigger genderfluid queerfaggot, but thanks for assuming that someone who hates cards that have no business existing is "the cancer killing Magic". Magic should be fucking dead so we wouldn't have to deal with shit like Alesha, Kaya, Narset, any of the niggers, any of the STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMYN, and all the fucking faggotry WotC is pushing. Sorry for wanting two very unfun cards removed from a format that doesn't have any sanctioned events.
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No.416135
>>416134
>strong independant female wincons are new
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No.416136
>>416135
>Urza
>Made Serra
>Serra made Angels
Besides, the art looks fantastic and motherly, not this subversive niggershit
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No.416137
>>416134
>he's still buttblasted that his linear pile can't handle any kind of opposition
>he can't understand the appeal to any gameplan besides "ramp and combo"
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No.416138
>>416134
No, you are the original breed of cancer. You are the player that took that survey in 2001 saying Land Destruction and Counterspells were bad for the game. You were the player that decided Stasis should be removed from the core set, and yelled on usenet constantly about it. You are the player who wanted their legends not to die to terror until we got crazy shit like Emrakul, Iona, and Akroma. You screeched about Gerrard and Korona not living up to hype, that they eventually said fuck it and started making Planeswalkers. You are the retro virus that allowed the aids and cancer in.
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No.416139
>>416136
>Urza made Serra
What?!
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No.416141
What the fuck is this templating?
>Doesn't say >Destroy up to one target permanent of each type
>Doesn't future proof it against future card types
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No.416142
>>416141
The last time they added a card type it was a subtype, I don't think they're adding anymore actual types anymore.
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No.416145
>>416142
>lands
>creatures
>enchantments
>enchantments but they don't have a color usually
>enchantments that you can punch
hopefully the new planeswalkers are a sign that they've accepted there isn't a lot of space beyond the 3 real types.
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No.416147
>>416120
>>416124
>modern doesn't have any interesting decks
Amulet Titan is a fun deck with plenty of choices in gameplay. UW Modern Miracles and the blue artifact prison deck can also be interesting to play. RIP, KCI.
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No.416153
>>416147
>>416147
What about Goryo's into Griselbrand into Fury of the Horde, while abusing London mulligan rules?
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No.416161
This BRAVE woman is overcoming her rapist. Please clap
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No.416162
>>416122
Try Hex TCG. It's Digital magic done right, as in actual digital play space is used and not stunted by paper magic.
>>416126
Sexless monster from another dimension is pretty standard. Having them write articles on how it's "Genderless" on the other hand is not. It was pandering rather than an interesting character, which is all magic is now.
>>416127
They claim everything is a tranny. Don't call it trans ever, it validates it in the left's language. Call them trannies, freaks, mentally ill or cross dressers.
>>416135
Angels and Valkyrie types have been part of mythology for as long as humans have existed. The idea that God might actually have women worth a damn was a mythological idea.
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No.416163
>>416162
>try Hex
You mean the game that I stopped playing because its dead and Cory Jones fucked it? Don't tell people to play Hex if they're going to put money into it, its a dead game walking and any recommendation of it should come with the caveat of not spending money when the servers are going to shut down the second that their contract with Sony is up. Check the forums, discord, subreddit, anything - you'd know that the latest set was delayed (read - cancelled) because Cory shafted the company artists by giving them the cold shoulder when HexEnt was supposed to pay them until they got together and raised a stink (read - threatened legal action as a group) about HexEnt not fulfilling their end of the contract. Couple that with the fact that the game's only news and 'updates' are cycling the same game modes they already made with most of the staff shuffled into a side company...or that they sold the art to some Chinese bitcoin game...or that they STILL haven't paid people their tournament prizes from two years ago when they were still paying cash prizes instead of imaginary Hex Fun Bucks; pick your favorite.
Don't talk to me about Hex.
Don't talk to anyone about Hex.
The only thing I want to hear is that Cory Jones' wife finally decided to kill her husband over rampant infidelity and being unable to satisfy her in the bedroom or that the servers finally shut down so I can put that money pit into my memories where it belongs.
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No.416164
>>416145
They put a vehicle in the set, come on. They haven't learned a fucking thing, what they learned is that they just need to blend everything together until its a muddled mess by making everything a colored creature. Every card type in Magic can be a creature with color identity, they've accepted that there isn't space because they smashed all the space together to make room for more fucking beat sticks. Once WoTC pokes their heads out of their asses long enough to see that there are popular control decks that run few to no creatures in standard they will probably ban Teferi and resolve to make the next set Return to Tribal Cardtype.
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No.416165
>>416163
When did this shit happen? Last I heard Hex was doing fine.
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No.416169
>>416163
Didn't they also fuck over their kickstarter backers by having an account migration that they needed to take action for - and if they didn't know or do it in time they lost all their cards?
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No.416173
>>416145
>everything is an enchantment
>Theros is advertised as an enchantment block
>instead of innovation and experimenting with a card type that is made for passive effects and rule-changing, we get creature combat and more creature combat
I'm still mad.
>>416162
>Sexless monster from another dimension is pretty standard. Having them write articles on how it's "Genderless" on the other hand is not.
That pissed me off so much. Nightmare weaver who drove himself mad, no longer sees himself as human and passively fucks up everyone's perception of him just by existing? Pretty cool conceptually. Parading a character who IN LORE is an unnatural freak as non-binary or asexual is fucking mental.
Wait. Oh. I get it. They're actually insane and dangerous "people."
>The idea that God might actually have women worth a damn was a mythological idea.
God damnit anon I play with drawings of funny wizards to avoid these feels. At this rate I'll unironicly have a waifu within one year's time.
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No.416175
>>416113
>Didn't WOTC already cut back on a shit load of events already?
It's kind of odd: the have been cutting back on event support, coverage, photography costs, card stock quality, and a bunch of ancillary stuff in the last few years, but the Mythic Invitational at PAX apparently had a $1,000,000 prize pool.
>>416114
>Ashiok
He's a man. The Planeswalker's Guide to Theros specifically refers to him as a man. The "ooh genderless ooh" shit was retconned shortly after release; it's a shame, really, because the idea is he's spent so much time with nightmares and freaky stuff that he no longer thinks of himself as human, but WotC wanted some Diversity™ so they ruined what could have been a cool character.
>>416173
>At this rate I'll unironicly have a waifu within one year's time
>unironically
>implying a man's desire to live up to his ideal woman is something men do ironically
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No.416176
What is the best way to sell off your collection in the UK?
I've been sorting through my old trad binder and I'm finding loads of cards worth £5-25 each. Anything over £10 is worth the postage but £2-5 cards and ebay fees would take a serious cut. Is it worth stacking all the legends together worth £1-2 each and calling it an EDH bundle for £10 or something?
Would I be better off just contacting an online store with a list of everything I have and seeing if they take it?
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No.416177
>>414392
Smoking too much weed too often can give you bitch tits. No joke.
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No.416179
>trailer depicts liliana undergoing great personal sacrifice to kill/defy Bolas
>liliana doesn't die because killing women is sexist >:C
>literal white knight steps in and does it instead
How long until someone complains about Gideon taking the spotlight from Liliana "just like men do all the time in real life?"
>>416176
>Would I be better off just contacting an online store with a list of everything I have and seeing if they take it?
Probably. Selling singles by yourself is tedious, and card store know it. You won't get those cards' full value unless you trade them for other cards, but at least it's easier than haggling with people through eBay.
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No.416184
>>416179
Looking through my collection I've got like £500+ of cards here. I didn't realize the value of stuff like manamorphose.
Any chance when the values that high the store comes to collect personally because I'm not happy posting that much "money"
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No.416185
>>416165
You're behind then, very behind. Like I said, look around. The game is in statis where it is being held bare minimum alive so that HexEnt doesn't get mega sued by Sony. None of the devs log in or talk about Hex on the forums, on their twitter, etc. and have all moved on meaning only a skeleton crew is keeping the game alive for these purposes. The only moderator left is Dinotropia on the forums and he mostly exists to post an announcement (which might be automated) and occasionally ban people for being mean on the internet. Support tickets are going unanswered, the new set is delayed indefinitely, there is no new content, etc. I don't know how you missed the entire game collapsing but like I said - see for yourself.
As for when it happened, technically years ago when HexEnt went into the red and then spent the next five years lying about it...or when they hired a dev team to make Hex's skeleton that ended up being unusable so they started from scratch...or when WoTC sued them and ate a chunk of their remaining Kickstarter money and forced them to agree to rdiciulous terms like not implementing an extremely profitable format (Commander.) As for when we knew? Active players have known the game was going downhill for a while and we all sold the fuck out before the stores stopped buying and the 40$ card became a nothing card, I sold out a year ago. When did Cory announce they were bankrupt?
https://www.hextcg.com/friday-update-a-few-words/
July. That was the last Hex related thing he has said to the public.
>>416169
Yes and no, they did do an account migration due to German privacy laws and their partnership with Gameforge that required that they could not retain player information records outside of the country or take them from Gameforge so they had to have your information to request your account, specifically, to retrieve it. If you had logged in within the past 12 months prior to the departure, they could request your account because it was an active one without details, everyone else had to give them information to ask Gameforge. This is, theoretically (if you can find the single support worker in a good mood), still possible if you can provide them with transactions you made, your friends list, etc. but it absolutely was a stupid fucking thing to do to the game. Kickstarter backers could use their codes to get their accounts back so that was easier but it made a lot of people log in, realize their account was gone, and immediately freak out which caused the game such an intense black eye that I'd say it was the worst PR move if they didn't launch on Steam half-cocked. This is only the surface level, known to everyone stuff, to boot butt behind the scenes things were even more consistently fucked so baiscally Cory Jones squandered what might be the last chance anyone had to compete with Magic and Hearthstone as a proper digital TCG, be sure to thank him by never buying any of his company's games ever again.
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No.416188
>>416164
Teferi and creatureless control has been good in standard for a while now. Fuck, they printed motherfucking wilderness rec, creating ANOTHER creatureless control archetype on top of u/w/x for standard. Oh, but they won't print counterspell in standard so creatureless control must suck :(
Personally though, I'd love if they banned that shit, the board is the fun aspect of magic. Play poker or some shit if you want to jerk your hand off.
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No.416189
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No.416191
>>416188
They already banned Nexus of Fate for Bo1, why are you still unhappy?
You’re playing a garbage format
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No.416192
>>416185
So tl;dr they mismanaged all the funding, got sued into oblivion by jews and have quit the game entirely except the servers running on a virtual machine? I got my ten bucks kickstarter out of the 2 single player campaigns so I'm okay with it even if it's dead.
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No.416193
>>416179
I figured Gideon would die, but the white-knighting for Liliana is absurd. The “story” for this has been awful, and Bola’s plan to eat sparks using shiny blue skeletons has been absolutely laughable.
Then again, what else should I have anticipated with this?
I just wanted Bolas to not be so pathetic before being defeated/killed.
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No.416195
>>416192
Thats the gist yeah, although 'mismanage' is a kind way to put it. Cory Jones fucked up everything he touched and is still out there making games, he should be not be in charge of a lemonade stand let alone a game company.
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No.416196
>>416195
Isn't that basically everyone on kickstarter though? What has ever really worked from that shit hole
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No.416197
>>416196
Video games? Terrible track record, yes.
Board games? Little better.
Tabletop games? Have yet to have any of the 30ish games I've backed fail to arrive. They never arrive on time but they always arrive with what I was promised in them or something analogous, even if it brings the project into the red they mail the fucking books. Not sure if I just have good taste or if tabletop games are safe bets.
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No.416198
>>416197
I've had some arrive and consider them junk. I like high quality miniatures not the cheapest shit china can throw in a blender and call plastic.
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No.416199
>>416179
>Asphodel is a physical place on Theros where the dead are taken and live on while wearing golden masks
>gideon dies on ravnica
>ends up on Theros in the afterlife with his kangz butt buddies
10/10
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No.416201
>>414212
Where does one purchase said chink knock offs?
I recently got back into MTG after a 10~ year hiatus as a game shop opened up down the road. They drew me in with talks of Commander, a fun format that's much more casual and focused around politics and fun decks. So I threw together something out of all my old cards. Went down and got shafted by a 10 year old with a deck that probably cost more than my car. I like the game but refuse to buy individual cards for less than a dollar a go. I also have no moral qualms about buying a piece of cardboard with a picture and some writing on just because it was printed in Antland and not Burgerland.
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No.416203
>>416201
All of magic has become much more expensive. It's going be getting even more expensive up until it tanks. There are too many people playing now and not enough good cards to go around. It's a great time to sell though.
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No.416204
>>416203
>TFW you have commons people threw away from Shadowmoor now worth more than mythics in later sets.
Guess who's buying an onahole boys?
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No.416205
>>416184
Not unless you've got tens of thousands to sell. 500 bongs is nothing.
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No.416206
>>416201
r/bootlegmtg has a catalogue of sellers and reviews
I use Villa Zheng personally; the highly played ones are convincing, but other cards are laughably bad.
The Website Guys are apparently another solid option, although I haven't ordered anything myself.
>>416204
Spend it on a gym membership or something, Christ.
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No.416208
>>416199
They all look like niggers.
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No.416211
>>416208
White mana enriches your melanin levels now.
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No.416223
>>416205
Considering I'm a NEET 500 bongs is a nice win fall.
>>416206
It was a joke. Almost as much of a joke as a gym membership would be. If you want to get /fit/ do it Rocky style and save the money.
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No.416224
>>416179
>Woman does not keep her word
>Woman makes the fallout happen to someone else
Really redpilling
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No.416228
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No.416230
>>416228
This is what I was complaining about before. His master plan after all of this is to trap them, using the Immortal Sun, on Ravinca (where he has a disadvantage with all the hostile natives since he is an invader), and use boring blue skeleton minions, From Amonkhet, to steal sparks, brought there with a Planar Bridge, from Kaladesh.
That's it.
It's that simple, and that dumb.
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No.416235
>>416230
I don't think the plan is inherently stupid, since he did have millennia on Amonkhet to train blue skeleton warriors, and Ravnica's enormous population would reasonably mean there are more planeswalker sparks (or potential sparks) compared to a place like Ixalan or Theros, which have large stretches of uninhabited wilderness.
I think what makes the plan feel dumb is all the bad worldbuilding (the Orzhov are canonically destroyed, the Simic are literal reddit memes) and everything being so rushed. MTG's dependance on the 3-set block is what made it successful, and, unsurprisingly, they went back to it for their big not-Thanos showdown (except it isn't called a block, goy, we've outgrown blocks!). Everything on Ravnica feels really drawn out in comparison to the invasion:
>spend two blocks introducing the guilds, even though the entire point of returning here AGAIN is to sell packs based on name value
>there reason you can't do it in one set is because every guild needs to have umpteen corporate-checklist-approved meme cards and awful OCs
>we switch gears from a mystery plot to a cold war to an apocalyptic invasion over the course of three sets
>bolas finally shows up, and the set is an absolute mess
You have a PW focus, Bolas's armies, the cycle of mono-colour mythics (which themselves have a new god recursion mechanic) which the boar and Amonkhet gods belong to, the Amass mechanic, PW support cards, new types of PWs - all of that on top of a huge story about Bolas showing up and killing a bunch of PWs for an ancient magic spell.
Did you notice there are THREE story spotlight arcs in this set due to all the useless characters and bloat? Just look at >>416179. It's preposterous.
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No.416237
>>416230
>>416235
I like the idea of having an actual pay off for all the background Bolas machinations but this feels rushed and stupid, the idea that the big bad dragon lad only has one planes worth of soldiers to deploy is absurd on its face considering how long he's been around and the fact that he would risk using a beacon that will draw people like Ugin, Sorin, Nahiri, etc. right into him is an equally bad idea considering he doesn't have any sane reason to believe the people who locked away the Eldrazi can't do the same or worse to him. Honestly my hope is that they use this to kill off all of the planeswalkers (I really doubt it) save the new crew and a few stragglers and then start a big push with a new core set to return to the flavor concept that you, the player, are a planeswalker. Like, a big influx of new walkers but with cards that mess with the player's space like experience counters to help drive it home. I think people would eat that shit up if they did it right but that would be a bit too different for modern MTG and I doubt they'll rock the boat on their sure thing.
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No.416248
>>416179
>tyrant scorn's flavor text
>haha get it heroes with magical swords always kill dragons but that isn't what happened get it god I love tvtropes
seriously, this is the quote to (seemingly) murdering a main character, or at least destroying a powerful artifact that's history goes back to the weatherlight
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No.416253
>Tyrant's Scorn
>Shows Gideon getting #rekt
>Flavour-wise says the same
>Can't destroy the Gideon Planeswalker card
Fuck you.
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No.416255
>>416253
a CMC of 3 is 3 or less.
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No.416256
>>416255
And gideon is still indestructible. You can target him and he shrugs it off.
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No.416257
>>416256
>As long as it's your turn
How retarded are you? I'm sub 90s IQ and dyslexic, and even I was able to see that.
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No.416261
>>416257
It's always funny when a nigger turns abusive while being incredibly stupid.
As long as it is YOUR TURN Gideon is a CREATURE with indestructible. When it stops being YOUR TURN Gideon stops being a creature and becomes just another Planeswalker.
Now do you understand you retarded chimp?
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No.416262
>>416261
>>416253
Gideon isn't slain by the attack that is represented in Tyrant's Scorn. He is cast aside and the Blackblade is broken. Gideon dies later in the book when he finally gets to suicide by martyr as he's been trying to do since Zendikar. So regardless of any retardation, your initial anger is unfounded.
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No.416263
Where's my fave red pw, Koth of the Hammer?
>>416046
Anyone have the feeling that the Bond of Red should steal target creature or PLANESWALKER?
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No.416264
>>416263
Trapped in a suit of darksteel armor on the decaying husk of a plane that used to be Mirrodin.
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No.416267
>>416235
He took over amonkhet recently. The story arc there gives a few hints at that, like how young everyone there is, including the leadership, and how the Bolas carvings and monuments look newer (and samut or some other dumb fuck found evidence of times before Bolas was God-Pharoah). He killed the adults, brainwashed the kids and the gods watching over them, made his death cult, and came back after a short time to collect the zombies.
The reason he targeted amonkhet specifically was the lazotep since it could be used to get being across the blind eternities or something like that, but he also for the Planar Bridge...but none of these things existed for millennia other than the planes themselves and the Immortal Sun.
As for how they defeat him, looks like it is related to Liliana, Stronk Wymyn, breaking his Gem between his head, and trapping him for eternity, probably related in his meditation realm.
We should also keep track of who we know dies off to see how little the impact was. Well, also they fucked Ravnica to death. It’s no longer what it was after this set.
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No.416268
>>416267
I will find more evidence and post after work because it pissed me off that this is the climax and end to Bolas. This is what they decided.
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No.416271
I thought they said every walker would show up. Where's Elspeth? Where's Garruk?
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No.416273
>>416267
>who dies
Gideon
Domri
Dack
that's it
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No.416274
>>416271
>where's Elspeth?
Dead
>where's Garruk?
He got Me Too'd by Liliana
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No.416276
>>416248
Whats worse is the way they write flavor text these days is needlessly wordy and makes it much less punchy, why would you write it that way?
"The hero with the magic sword slays the dragon? Not this time."
vs
"No dragon will be slain today."
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No.416286
>>416267
>As for how they defeat him, looks like it is related to Liliana, Stronk Wymyn, breaking his Gem between his head, and trapping him for eternity, probably related in his meditation realm.
See pic 4. Apparently it was Ugin's idea, although I have no idea why/how he's on Ravnica since he hasn't featured in either of the previous sets.
>>416276
The first sentence in the current text is actually fine, because it's mean to be somewhat satirical. The second part could just read "not today," though, and it would be fine. Yours is more brief, but it lacks context. Things like pic 2 are the real offenders: wordy, purple prose that says nothing and contains no joke. There is no humour or wit here, just wordswordswords.
Pic 3 is a rare example of good flavour text from nu-MTG: it's short, snappy, and dramatic without being overbearing. Don't know how it snuck through without being assaulted by a thesaurus.
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No.416287
>>416286
*it's meant to be
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No.416288
>>416286
In that Ugin pic I think that’s also the Meditation Realm of Bola’s. No clue how he got in.
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No.416289
>>416288
Ugin won the millennia long battle with his brother. He fused with the meditation realm and renamed it the Prison Realm where the last vestiges of Nicol's soul is trapped.
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No.416292
>>416289
I hated that spirit fag since they introduced him
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No.416295
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No.416300
>>416274
He got MeToo'd by real world feminists who thought Liliana wasn't strong enough to defend herself. It's a subtle difference but an important one.
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No.416305
>>416300
It's more that the embodiment of zombie creating, cursing, black mana planeswalker might piss off someone who would treat her as an equal in a fight. And shouldn't be depicted as on the receiving end of violence.
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No.416307
>>416305
My point is that Garruk's unpersoning is all because of backlash from blind ideologues who barely play the game if at all were threatening Hasbro's bottom line. It has nothing to do with a narrative focus the design team wanted to move in.
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No.416319
Have ypu seen the mythic edition planeswalkers nonsense?
This whole set is EDH bait trash, and I usually enjoy new EDH toys. Only the brainlets that read the crap stories online like the walker cards, so why did MaRo and his Roseanne addled brains deicide to run an all PW set?
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No.416320
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No.416321
>>416320
Is it just me or is Sarkhan placed over another card's art?
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No.416323
>>416320
But I already own most of these cards.
Sigh, what's the retail price? Fucking kikes
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No.416324
>>416161
>That cartoonish sneer on Bolas's face
>The current year-tier flavor text with absolutely no underlying political motivation
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No.416327
>>416323
$250 same as the last 2. It's probably going to sell out on the first day so expect the price to double in a week or so.
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No.416329
>>416319
I don't like planeswalkers, but it is evident that people such as myself are in the minority. This set will be a hit, most people can't seem to get enough of them.
>>416276
I thought it was pretty good text, tbh. I wanted Bolas to win though, so maybe I'm biased.
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No.416332
>>416321
Sarkhan looks like he belongs in a Mongolian metal band
Or like a 40 year old guy
Why is he blue now
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No.416333
>>416332
sarkhan fucked the timestream and blacked blued himself
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No.416341
>>416329
War of the Spark feels like a microcosm of MaRo's design sense. As he said at his GDC presentation, it's better to make a product that half the fanbase loves and half hates then one everyone likes.
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No.416343
>>416333
In all honesty fucking with timestreams gets you a blue.
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No.416348
>>416333
How come there are several versions of dragon-themed SARKHAN while there's only one elf-themed NISSA? Why change Nissa to animated land pw?
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No.416362
>>416332
>why did sarkhan turn blue four years ago?
You're probably dumb enough to think this card is Standard-legal, aren't you?
He was mono-red in Khans of Tarkir because he was indepednent and not affiliated with any of the clans. In DTK, he finally made the voices in his head shut up due to timestream fuckery, and him becoming RUG (or Temur) colours represented him being at peace with himself.
This card was one of the few good things about DTK's flavour.
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No.416386
>>416362
And he was never blue again.
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No.416412
>>416386
After being at peace with himself, Sarkhan decided rage was way more fun.
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No.416427
>>416362
If it's not standard legal, why is it branded as a War of the Spark card?
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No.416429
>>416427
It's not War of the Spark, it's war of the spark mythic edition, goy!
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No.416454
>>416427
It's one of the special promo card sets you get when you spend enough money pre-ordering prodcuts. I believe the way it works is that you buy a booster box, and the additional money gets you the set of super-exclusive planeswalker card printings with shitty new art and borders.
If you recall the Ravnica: Mythic Edition thing which blew up in WotC's face several months ago, then it's a similar idea (although I think they may not be handling it through the Hasbro online store; don't care enough to investigate, frankly).
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No.416461
>>416427
>It's Mythic Timmy Edition.
Unless those cards are part of current standard legal sets, they aren't standard legal. They're cards that are meant to sell more boxes to Timmies. Something like12k were made and available from the Hasbro website. Jace is one of them, so I fully expect these to sell out very quickly. To put it into perspective, the normal version of that Jace planeswalker card is over $100. That mythic timmy edition is going to break that.
>>416454
I think they come with 1 less booster pack because of the chase cards. Everyone of those cards is included within the booster box and they're only available from the Hasbro store. The last mythic edition fucking sucked, which is why it largely failed. This current set has Ugin and the good Jace, which is why I believe people are going to go crazy over it.
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No.416462
>>416461
they're worth more than a regular booster box, have 12 less booster packs, and 8 of the 24 packs has the mythic planeswalker in it, in addition to the rare. So you can't even like draft with them without needing to unseal em
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No.416466
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
M Y T H I C T I M M Y E D I T I O N
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No.416480
>>416466
>only 12000
Sucks. I hate you, Wotc!
* As of War of the Spark, there are 177 planeswalker cards total, depicting 53 different planeswalker characters.
* There are 52 different planeswalker subtypes. (The Wanderer, while a distinct character, does not have her own subtype.)
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No.416492
>>416461
>Unless those cards are part of current standard legal sets, they aren't standard legal
Except for planeswalker deck cards and buy-a-box promos :^)
There used to be another subset of Standard-legal cards - which I believe were assorted rares like Terra Stomper in the free, 30-card, learn-to-play decks - but those are no longer being printed/distributed.
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No.416493
>>416492
the free welcome decks are still being printed and the cards are still standard legal, but this time around they're just shitty rares you get in deck builders toolkits and the like
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No.416585
>>416480
You guys think this card will be good in Standard?
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No.416592
>>416585
That's one nice little aura to have in a sideboard against burn decks.
Just a shame it can get wrecked by creatures.
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No.416600
Hope you're having a good easter, frens.
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No.416603
>>416600
I went to mass yesternight, then went to mass this morning and had a wonderful dinner.
My little cousin came over tonight and I'm teaching him MtG.
He likes mono black control and is buying the Izzet Challenger Deck, I think I'm good.
Happy Easter, Cristo è risorto!
Sage for off-topic though
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No.416609
>>416600
Had some honey ham with au gratin potatoes at my parent's house, then slept for about 14 hours. Bretty good
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No.416623
Do you see this fucking blanted political bullshit? Do they really think various creatures would march down the street after a death in magic city land? This is beyond hamfisted.
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No.416634
>>416585
It would be a better card if it gave you hexproof. If it protected itself from non-combat damage, it would be pretty good. It does nothing against creature damage and that seems to be what wotc pushes the hardest. It seems like a better edh card for pillowfort than something that will make waves in standard.
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No.416635
>>416623
>BLM in magic
Wizards leans hard left. Just look how hard they're pushing Kaya. The entire company is pozzed to the max and so is the tcg.
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No.416641
Friends invited me to go to a Standard PTQ in June(?) a few hours drive away for $60. I said I'd be interested but likely that I wouldn't make it / not be interested, since it was just the event and didn't have side events like MagicFest the GPs do. Did I make the right choice?
Note: My time isn't specifically valuable, but even so, it feels like it'd be a waste of time and money. I don't even have Arena so I'd be grossly out of preparation
>>416634
>>416585
>>416480
It feels like they're making cards to proactively counter stuff like Cavalcade of Calamity, when it isn't even a major archetype yet.
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No.416656
>>416641
>paying $60 to play standard and get stomped by metafags
>no side events for fun formats
Sounds like an awful time.
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No.416659
>>416641
>Unironically playing standard a.k.a. the format that's either Arclight Phoenix or Creatures: the Gathering and costs you 200-400 euros to even be competitive
Your friends are probably very bored and very rich, or just like to throw money away.
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No.416662
>>416641
>standard
>ever
You don't need friends like that, Anon. They aren't your friends.
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No.416679
>>416656
>>416659
>>416662
They unironically love Standard and think the new set is amazing and see none of the flaws we do
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No.416680
>>416679
Disown them immediately. They're subhuman trash, and you're slightly better than that.
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No.416693
I don't blame anyone for missing this, but there's a new signature spellbook being printed. It features everyone's favourite white vaguely Grecian mutt Gideon. What I find really funny is the original art for Gideon Jura, which clearly shows him as a European white man, compared to all the new art where he looks like a baboon.
Getting Richard Kane Ferguson to do art for Blackblade Reforged was neat, I guess, but the rest all look awful. Rest in Peace in particular is such shameless CG garbage (to say nothing of the Jacetice League flavour text) that what should be a contemplative, friendly piece looks sterile and barren.
Redditards will defend this.
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No.416696
>>416693
>reprinted rest in peace because he is dead
kek
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No.416703
People really buy these ugly ass nigger cards?
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No.416705
Jap war of the spark walkers have anime art
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No.416706
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No.416710
>>416705
>Tamiyo actually looks cute rather than a flat-faced chink
A number of them are definitely improvements over what the West will get. I've heard that lgs in the West can order these. Is that true or are they Japan only?
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No.416711
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No.416717
>>416711
dang. The art actually does look nice on these. Even Kaya looks feminine, but afros are just terrible in general I also find it funny that the artist saw Samut as a man rather than pic related. Modern magic art is such shit in general. There are some gems here and there, but the vast majority of it is garbage.
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No.416730
>>416705
>>416706
>kaya, vivien, saheeli, and huatli actually look cute
How long before someone complains they got whitewashed because they don't look like niggers?
>samutt still looks like a man
Amazing.
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No.416747
>>416705
Damn. These look great. Who are the artists?
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No.416750
>>416747
The cards literally have artist names stamped on them.
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No.416774
>>416730
They may look cute but there is still the shitty writing behind them all. It’s despicable how bad the writing is, and seeing this is a remainder of lost potential, of everything else we lost as WotC went to hell.
>Samut still looks like a man
Kek’d
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No.416775
>>416750
I mean, what do they do for a living? Did Wizards get a bunch of anime and manga artists to do the art?
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No.416788
One of the biggest Magic streamers, Kenji or numot, has braincancer. Apparently, according to his doctors, he has a tumor which is likely benign just behind his left eye. He makes a living from streaming and talks about it daily. He's fairly likable: Certainly more than most of the people that play the game. The cynic in me thinks he's milking his situation a bit for sympathy, but I don't blame him. Rough beats.
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No.416799
>>416788
Why should I care?
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No.416801
>>416799
If you don't care, ignore the post, you autist.
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No.416805
>>416801
If you know people won't care about e-celeb drama, why bother posting it?
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No.416811
>>416805
Misnomer. Drama pertains to interpersonal relationships, faggot. Why are you sperging out over a simple comment that someone here probably cares about?
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No.416843
PW art comparisons
>>416775
They are artists. Wotc Japan must have asked them to do art.
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No.416853
>>416801
Go back to reddit, you pissant child.
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No.416854
>>416801
>>416788
>>416811
>Someone, maybe this guy or some other guy, apparently according to his doctors has something wrong with him. He earns money doing nothing and talking about the thing that is apparently maybe possibly wrong with him. I like him. But I think he might be milking this thing that is possibly perhaps maychance wrong with him.
Why the fuck would anyone, anywhere, ever care about this shite?
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No.416856
>>416788
great, hopefully you get cancer too
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No.416874
>>416843
These actually look a shitton better.
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No.416878
>>416717
>>416730
>Mfw that Jap artist probably thought Samut was a man looking at the original art and drew her as such
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No.416880
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No.416881
>>416880
They...they actually are.
Huh, who would've thought.
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No.416882
>Want to brew a deck for next FNM I can attend
>Only ever show to up maybe 2/mo at most because of work
>10 players, RDW is currently the deck to beat at my store, it hits top 4 every week, usually winning
>Any other deck is probably going to cost $200 in cards, and our card pool is too small to enjoy, so at best I'd have to order a bunch of shit online
>Not even worth it because of limited time and because Standard is a shit
I'm annoyed.
Anyways, I was thinking of some kind of control deck with pic related. Seems strong for control. I'd either use him and splash Red for additional control effects (Lava Coil, which isn't great in our meta since nobody is really running drakes anymore), or Blue to counter shit like Light up the Stage and draw cards.
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No.416883
>>416880
They seriously made him as dark as everyone's favorite sassy afro decked ghost assassin. When exactly did >>416693 start to happen?
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No.416884
>>416880
I like how Gideon is literally black in this. They dropped all pretext he was ever white.
>>416882
There was an Esper Midrange deck at one point that ran bell haunt. Ran a bunch of gold cards and hero. Might be able to make something like it.
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No.416889
Mail time. Kind of pissed that I missed Mana Crypt before it exploded again.
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No.416890
I wonder how viable storm will be after war.
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No.416905
>>416890
>he plays MTG:A
>he has special card sleeves on it
>he has Jaya "LOOK GUISE REMEMBER THE PAST?" as his avatar
You know where the door is, faggot. Leave and never come back.
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No.416907
>>416905
Not him, but the sleeves are free.
>>416890
If you lurked more, you'd know that you'd only get people sperging at you over this.
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No.416912
I'm trying to build a fun mono-green stompy deck for Modern events at my LGS.
I had some cards laying around, but I'm stuck with the card draw.
I'm pretty late-game, with a focus on early game beaters and Canopy Cover and Treetop Bracers to give them evasion.
I just can't decide for the card draw.
Should I use Harmonize? 4 CMC for 3 cards isn't bad.
I was considering Shefet Monitor for its cycling ability and Triumph of Ferocity but the latter one isn't as consistent.
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No.416923
>>416907
>>416905
What's wrong with MTG:A?
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No.416924
>>416907
That was the point.
>>416923
It's P2W cancer same as every other F2P game.
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No.416929
>>416924
>P2W cancer
So it's Magic?
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No.416930
>>416923
It is literally shitting the game down the gutter for everyone. Mechanics, card design, feel bad instances of targetting your own shit, one and done matches, elimination of sideboard, mulligan rules, twitch eceleb cancer for tournaments. If it wasn't for the pozz and politics at WotC, it would be the largest problem for the game.
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No.416932
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No.416933
>>416930
Unfortunately it's also the thing breathing new life into paper. So you are going to have a bunch of young teenbros flooding the local stores who just want to play bo1. On the bright side the new wave is driving up the prices for muh investment.
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No.416943
>>416912
>Should I use Harmonize?
Yes.
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No.416944
>>416933
>Unfortunately it's also the thing breathing new life into paper
That's like saying cancer is a good thing
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No.416946
>>416943
Thanks, can you maybe clarify why I should use Harmonize instead of Shefet Monitor and/or Triumph of Ferocity?
Might help me with future decks.
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No.416949
>>416946
>Costs only 4 mana
>Draws you three cards immediately with no gimmicks
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No.416951
>>416949
Hmm, seems like my first idea of "4 CMC for 3 cards is nice" was not bad then.
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No.416952
>>416951
>>416949
Who even wants to spend 4 mana to only draw cards in modern?
You're probably better off just playing a higher threat density.
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No.416954
>>416952
>You're probably better off just playing a higher threat density.
What do you mean by this?
My win conditions are big creatures and giving them evasion with Treetop Bracers and Canopy Cover.
I could always play fog effects instead of card draw to stall out the game until I get what I need though.
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No.416955
>>416952
>Who even wants to spend 4 mana to only draw cards in modern?
A budget deck that uses Liquimetal Coating and green's artifact hate to make a working deck. https://archive.fo/KETjN
>You're probably better off just playing a higher threat density.
That's a different deck, with a different card to draw. But might still be better then what he has right now.
>>416954
He means getting rid of the gimmicks, or cutting them down. And making sure you have threats early and mid game.
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No.416956
>>416955
>making sure you have threats early and mid game.
Looking at it this way Cultivate might be a better option.
I didn't have it because Steel Leaf Champion and Gigantosaurus aren't too expensive but it's deck thinning and ramp.
I got 3 Benefaction of Rhonas to fetch creatures and enchantments (my win conditions).
Maybe make it 4, add some Cultivate and get rid of the Harmonize?
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No.416961
>>416952
>modern
He explicitly stated he was just building a deck from cards he had lying around.
>>416956
>maybe i can replace a card advantage spell with a ramp spell
Just post a list already so we can suck the fun out of your deck idea.
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No.416962
>>416961
>Just post a list already so we can suck the fun out of your deck idea.
I was trying to avoid exactly that, but whatever.
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No.416965
>>416962
>canopy cover
>treetop bracers
Most of your threads have evasion, so I'd cut the Treetop Bracers and just play more giant beaters instead; Canopy Cover is fine, since it gives your creatures hexproof and can be attached to opponents' creatures to prevent them from being targeted by their controllers.
For ramp, you should at least be maxed out on Cultivates, although if you're playing Ghalta, then having a mana dork with some power and toughness is also a consideration.
>benefaction
>harmonize
4 harmonize seems excessive, especially because Vizier is already pseudo card advantage. I think playing 3-4 of these effects is fine, and if you drop the enchantments then Benefaction becomes less efficient than something like Commune with Nature.
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No.416967
>>416961
>I'm trying to build a fun mono-green stompy deck for Modern events at my LGS.
Maybe read the original post next time?
Not saying you can't bring your own deck to a local modern event, just that you should probably keep the format in mind when building said deck. He wants to build an aggressive stompy deck, and in such a deck you'd probably be better off dropping constant threats than drawing, especially in modern where games tend not to drag on.
>>416955
Liquimetal is completely different from what he said he wanted to play, that's a control deck. It is a good example of a deck that can make use of a raw value card such as harmonize though.
>>416962
Yeah just looking at this deck, I really don't see why you would care about drawing. Either you are ahead and winning, or you are behind and losing. So the draw is either win more, or doesn't accomplish much since your opponent will kill you before the threats you play after drawing connect.
Maybe run more ramp cards like cultivate, since this allows you to do something you want to do (ramp) while netting a value aspect of pulling lands out of the deck.
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No.416968
>>416965
>Most of your threads have evasion, so I'd cut the Treetop Bracers and just play more giant beaters instead
Only Steel Leaf Champion has a form of evasion, the rest doesn't.
Cultivate is maxed now.
Any other good green enchantments I could use instead of Treetop Bracers?
I was thinking about Blanchwood Armor but then again my creatures are already pretty massive.
>>416967
>Either you are ahead and winning, or you are behind and losing.
That was my first worry for the card draw.
I'll scrap it entirely I think.
So far I removed the Harmonize, maxed the Cultivate and filled the remaining two slots with Shefet Monitor because of the cycling effect and I like the art, and lizards too.
A last question since it keeps bothering me: what's the consensus of the amount of legendary creatures in a deck?
Max two copies of each because of the legend rule, or are more feasible?
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No.416969
>>416968
If the legendary is core to your deck, you run 4 of. In your case, neither seems core. Something I also noticed is that Goreclaws cost reduction doesn't do much for your deck, since Gigantosaurus and Steel don't have colorless, and Vizier doesn't have 4 attack. It does give trample to Gigantosaurus, but I feel like that is unnecessary with the enchantments making it unblockable (optimally anyway).
>Evasion
I think he considered trample to be an evasive aspect as well. It makes it unnecessary to enchant ghalta at least, since he connects with most of his damage via trample.
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No.416971
>>416969
>Something I also noticed is that Goreclaws cost reduction doesn't do much for your deck
It only reduces the cost of my Shefet Monitor and Ghalta indeed, I got it mainly for the trample.
>I think he considered trample to be an evasive aspect as well
Well, he's kind of right.
I got some Alpha Authority laying around too, could use those to replace the Treetop Bracers since it adds menace and hexproof.
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No.416974
>>416971
>Well, he's kind of right.
I am completely right. Trample creatures are almost never blocked unless it's a lethal attack. Goreclaw gives herself trample as a minimum, too, so the only non-evasive creature is Gigantosaurus.
>>416968
>Any other good green enchantments I could use instead of Treetop Bracers?
Rancor. Alpha Authority is also a good one.
>legendary creatures
Depends entirely upon the deck. I think you're fine with 2 copies of Ghalta, since he's tricky to cast and potentially uncastable. I wouldn't play more than 3 Goreclaw, since as the other anon mentioned, all she really does is attack and give Gigantosaurus trample.
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No.416997
>>416974
Thanks for the advice everyone, really appreciate it.
Going to playtest what I already have and then see if it's good and fun enough to buy it.
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No.416999
Prerelease tonight lads. Blue is looking like absolute ass compared to the other colors. Here's hoping limited isn't just U/W flyers this time.
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No.417002
>>416999
My LGS is doing FNM followed by prerelease at midnight. I work in the morning so i can't do either. Probably for the better.
I asked a friend, stupidly, for a box, since he was trying to get a case discount. Not sure if he ordered it for me or not. I hope not. I'm so apathetic to this fucking game and all games right now. Why cant it be like those comfy times like a decade ago? Zendikar was nice
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No.417004
>>417002
Comfy time is over mate.
Now it's only a concentrated mess of shitwalker lore (expect a lot more from Kaya in the future) mixed with politically correct cards disregarding worldbuilding or flavour.
Oh and evenything is Creatures: the Gathering, no 3 dmg for R, no 1/1 manadork for G, no good counterspells for blue.
The whole color pie will become #equality.
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No.417009
>>417004
>politically correct cards that disregard worldbuilding or flavour
Speaking of which . . .
Apparently Tomik's strip of red cloth and Ral's strip of white cloth are meant to be keepsakes from the AIDS-riddled orgies they attend. Wow, that's so incredible it didn't appear at all in his Dragon's Maze printing!
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No.417013
>>417009
>Ral is a faggot
Why, why can't they leave everything alone?
Why does everything need to be forced?
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No.417018
>>417009
There are no good things in WotC anymore.
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No.417022
Since it was discussed earlier in the thread, I thought this might be of interest to some anons. These are some proxies I just got today. I mainly wanted snapcaster for my modern wizard deck, since he's kind of important. I figured I'd pick up some lands while I was at it.
I think the snap, misty, and mutavault look great. But, the tarn has too dark a red, it is quite noticeable next to another legit dual. I may try weathering them a bit and see how they look double sleeved, but chances are I won't risk using them since they aren't integral anyway.
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No.417023
My tarn and other legit dual are the other way around. Sleeved up I doubt anyone will be able to tell the difference, it's usually the backs or card stock that give away fakes.
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No.417024
>>417022
>the tarn has too dark a red, it is quite noticeable next to another legit dual
Unless you're comparing it to the same thing, that doesn't mean anything. WotC's printing quality is so shoddy and volatile that the reds on a Kaladesh card could easily be a naturally lighter shade by virtue of using worse ink/card stock. I used to use a playset of Spell Queller in a Modern deck, and despite all four of them being legitimate and printed in the same region, one of the cards was a bright urine yellow instead of the multicolour gold.
Heck, when I played Legacy reanimator with counterfeits, one of the worst-looking cards in the deck was a genuine Animate Dead from 7th edition. The back had a pale green tint; I would have never believed it to be real unless I knew for certain.
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No.417027
Hey guys, i got a leak of a card for the next set after war of the spark. This looks totally fair and balanced.
Cost: U
Common
Instant
Splitsecond
As an additional cost, you may untap one land you control. You may pay this additional cost before paying its mana cost.
You can have any number of copies of this card in your library.
Choose one or more of the following:
-Counter target spell.
-Draw 2 cards.
-Take an extra turn after this one.
-Return all permanents you don't control to your hand.
-Destroy all white permanents.
-Each planeswalker you control gains 20 loyalty counters.
-Put a 50/50 blue Jace legendary creature token with flying, lifelink, deathtouch, indestructable, unblockable, hexproof, trample, and "whenever this creautre enters the battlefield under your control, you may make a creature token that is a copy of this creature. It is not legendary."
-Untap any number of lands you control at the next upkeep phase.
-Tap all permanents you don't control. They do not untap.
-Exile each other player's library.
-Search your library for a card and exile it. As long as it remains exiled, you may play it without paying its mana cost.
-Target card you don't own, if it's owner is a straight white male, you now own the card.
If you play this card against a minority and you're a straight white male, you lose the game.
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No.417028
>>417027
So this is what a postmodern Modern looks like.
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No.417041
>>417027
>Costs mana
Unplayable
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No.417042
>>417004
>The whole color pie will become #equality
Oh, like how big blue fliers are slowly becoming a thing? I'm not talking about like 4UUU for a 5/5 trampler, I mean actually on parity with the other colors at lower costs
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No.417045
>>417027
>doesn't have an alternate cost of discarding a blue card
Look at this jank.
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No.417056
>>417009
That piece of text is so terribly written.
>X did Y then Z said T to P, K and L. M and N in F went to L. Damn.
Do people actualy read and enjoy this shite? Or does it just exist as an excuse for fanboys to throw more money at WoTC, and then sit on dusty shelves forever unread?
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No.417067
>>417056
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed the utter shit writing.
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No.417068
>>417042
Friendly reminder
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No.417071
>>417068
>Tapping two creatures to draw ONE card in a weenies aggro deck is insignificant
>Blue getting basically a 3/2 flyer for U isn't color breaking
Shit this shouldn't make me so livid.
I like Delver of Secrets, but just keep it with him and ADMIT that you printed one bonkers creature for blue because why not.
Nooooo let's print a 5/5 flyer for UU mid-late game.
Also
>Blue
>Playing sorceries/instants in CURRENT YEAR
>Not going aggro with evasive creatures
I don't know (read: we all bloody know) if WotC ever looks at their own game and meta but all blue creatures who's strenghts are based on instants and sorceries are played in Izzet decks.
True instants and sorceries mono blue has been dead for years now.
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No.417078
>>417071
But Delver is a shit creature if you don't build around it in a "blue way". This excuse seems perfectly fine to me.
And how does including it in a u/r archetype take away from this? Does every card have to be played in a mono color deck to be legitimate?
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No.417089
>>417071
Pteramander is a sweet card for u. It's going to suck when Dive Down cycles out though.
>>417078
>u/r
A bit off topic, but does u/r aggro have any hope in the coming meta? It's losing a lot when Ixalan leaves. Mono-blue is getting crippled as well.
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No.417095
>>417056
>Or does it just exist as an excuse for fanboys to throw more money at WoTC, and then sit on dusty shelves forever unread?
Which do you think? You can go as far back as Lorwyn and Mirrodin and the books were still awful.
>>417068
>all colours get to have good creatures
>Delver of Secrets is too good
>white can't tap creatures once per turn in exchange for attacking to draw a single card because Raise the Alarm is too strong
>Delver's strength isn't comparable to Swords to Plowshares's because (presumably) Swords can go in any white deck
>>despite white aggro being unplayable in Legacy partially due to Swords literally undoing the pilot's work
It's astonishing how bad he is at lying, considering he does literally nothing else.
>>417078 (not the guy you're quoting)
>This excuse seems perfectly fine to me.
I think Delver would be fine if it were a 2/2, but the magic kike can never give a straight answer and admit partial flaws (that is, the hoop to jump through was too easy given its strength, and the back half should be weaker to account for this). The devs have admitted repeatedly that they made it a common because they were fixated upon its place in Innistrad limited rather than non-rotating or constructed formats.
>mono colour
It's dishonest of Maro to point to decks powered by Light up the Stage, Lava Coil, Crackling Drake, and Arclight Phoenix as evidence of good blue instants & sorceries.
>>417089
>It's going to suck when Dive Down cycles out though
Maybe Lazulite Plating will replace it? I've seen people discussing that card in Legacy as an answer to tonnes of activated abilities and as a counterspell.
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No.417136
>>417095
>Lazulite Plating
My only issue with it is the 1 extra mana that it requires. It means that drakes will have to be held off for two turns before u/r can start putting pressure. It is nice that it gives the player hex proof though. It's going to help shit on aggro decks. Contentious Plan could also replace Chart a Course, but it was nice to swing in with a pteramander on turn two and then draw two. Crush Dissent is a fucking terrible replacement for Spell Pierce. Bolt Bend might be a nice way to steal an opponent's tempo once drakes start dropping.
I'm already splashing a bit of black for Discovery/Dispersal. I'm curious if I should splash more to get access to Ob's -5/-5. Elderspell will shit on planeswalkers, so that may be good for the side deck. Toll of the Invasion would be nice if it exiled. Jiang is an interesting planeswalker as he can essentially turn all of your tokens into mana dorks if you can get some counters on them. Storm the citadel would be better at instant speed. The new Teferi is pretty dirty. Giving sorceries flash could get pretty gross. Prison Decks might enter standard. Dreadhorde Butcher could be an awesome card. b/r aggro is going to love it if he gets out early. He could possibly end a game if he doesn't get answered in time. The more times he connects, the stronger he gets and then he can deal his power in damage to any target. If Judith shows up before he dies, that's even more damage that he puts out.
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No.417240
>>417095
>Strong instants/sorceries
Strength is relative. Is red generally stronger than blue in modern? Sure.
Does red have an unconditional 1 cost draw spell with upside? No (light up is conditional, even if it is insane). Blue cantrips may not be at there best in modern, but they are still a fundamentally “blue” thing being cheap, efficient instants/sorceries.
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No.417250
>>417009
WW for a 2/3 flyer with good if narrow ability-denial; no down-sides. Overpowered!
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No.417251
>>417078
What does "building around it in a blue way" even mean? Playing lots of instants and sorcereis? Any color can theoretically do that.
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No.417255
>>417251
Yeah but it's only viable if your color works around these cards and can control your opponent, as is with U, U/R and U/B (maybe also B?)
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No.417266
>>417240
>Does red have an unconditional 1 cost draw spell with upside?
Faithless Looting. Manamorphose.
>muh card advantage
Relative, and way less relevant in degenerate decks, which most red modern decks are.
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No.417271
HONK HONK MOTHERFUCKERS
> Magic esportsannounce without explanation that Autumn Burchett is joining the MPL. In effect, they replaceOwen Turtenwald who has been removed without an official reason given.
> Autumn Burchett is an English professionalMagic player. Perhaps best known for winning the first-ever Mythic Championship, the continuation of Pro Tour events, MC Cleveland 2019. Burchett, who identifies as transfeminine non-binary, was thus notable for being the first non-male player to have won a Pro Tour, as well as being the first English Pro Tour champion. They also won the English National Championship back-to-back in 2017 and 2018, and finished 11th at their first Pro Tour, PT Battle for Zendikar.
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No.417281
>>417271
>who identifies as transfeminine non-binary
>"first non-male"
No one will question this now.
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No.417288
>>417281
I think transfeminine means
>born male
>wants to be a little girl
>too pussy for surgery
>may or may not be on estrogen pills (but totally is)
>considers self a lady even though he has a dick, wears panties, and sits down to pee
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No.417295
>>417271
>transfeminine non-binary
>first non-male player
Biology is offensive. Glad to see WotC taking this brave step forwards.
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No.417300
OH BOY DO I HAVE A SPICY DECK IDEA FOR STANDARD
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No.417310
>>417266
Pretty sure degenerate combo crap like storm would much prefer value blue cantrips, hence ponder/preordain ban.
You got me on manamorphose though, that’s a retarded card.
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No.417331
>>417295
>transfeminine
What does that even mean?
>>417271
>they replace Owen Turtenwald
These last few weeks, he has become a non-person. It's like with that old picture of Stalin by the river in Moscow: The person he's walking with has been edited out, and noone is allowed to mention his name. Same kind of people are doing it, too.
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No.417334
What did you pull at the prerelease anon?
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No.417340
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No.417345
>>417340
Because WotC is a joke.
The best TCG of all time is run by the worst company its fanbase could ever have.
WotC is to MtG what Avicii was to Coldplay, what pope Francis is to the Catholic Church, what Merkel is to Germany.
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No.417355
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No.417358
>>417355
>Read the article, stopped halfway to check out the reporter her Twitter
>Nothing but bullcrap and "yay diversity!"
>She gets to bear the title of senior editor
I have only regrets and fear crept up to me whispering the downfall of my children.
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No.417362
>>417358
Save a few, kill a Jew
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No.417388
>>417355
What a time to be alive. It would only take a few fake twitter accounts and you could #metoo Rosewater and a bunch of trannies. Would be more fun than playing the game.
>>417358
Kotaku has been sold off from bankruptcy about 3 times now. It's held up purely as a sock puppet for stuff like this. It's not profitable for any one involved.
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No.417402
>>417355
>hall of famer
>isn't allowed to compete anymore
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No.417409
>>417402
Skill, talent, experience and knowledge are not as important as "diversity" of mental illness and making sure Recoome from the ginyu force gets it's time in the spotlight.
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No.417411
>>417409
Anon, don't compare Recoome to those freaks. He may be just as fucking flamboyant as the rest of the Ginyu Force, but he's pure man.
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No.417546
>>417271
Who the what now?
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No.417548
>>417546
Tranny the Faggening
>because they cant find anyone else with a XX chromasome set to compete.
Totally the first mental degenerate to appear!
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No.417590
I think I got my timmy boxes. Pray that I don't get cucked out of my free $1000
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No.417591
>>417590
>Free $1000
Please tell he these economics my American friend.
Here in the Old World, our mothers teach us not even our well-deserved beatings aren't free.
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No.417592
>>417591
I didn't mean 1000 freedom credits, I meant 1000 of my currency, sorry for the confusion.
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No.417593
>>417592
But how did you get free money?
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No.417594
>>417593
The timmy boxes were being flipped for 500+ usd successfully before they were even listed lmao.
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No.417595
>>417594
Oh shit nice going.
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No.417597
>>417388
They would have to be accounts that have the reach, clout, and age to be able to reach anyone important enough to share it on their own larger platform. They don't actually just let anyone make accusations, you have to earn enough credit first.
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No.417598
>Friend goes to buy box of WAR at regular preorder box price on Amazon
>Value goes up $20
>Seller cancels his order last minute before it ships
Wew
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No.417602
>>417598
Wow, people can do this in America?
As far as it goes in my country there's a commitment law where you HAVE to deliver a product when it's bought.
Only exception is if the product suddenly becomes unavailable because of overpowering situations like a fire or something.
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No.417611
>>417602
I mean he obviously got refunded (I hope) but it's a lot of headache and annoyance either way. And it's only over $20
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No.417616
>Mythic Timmy editions part 3
The shitstorm that came from this is fantastic. I bought two and it looks like they’re coming through, but nothing is set in stone until I physically have them There were a ton of fuck-ups with the entire first wave getting cancelled and the following waves got a bit better. Luckily, some friends got their orders cancelled early or else I wouldn’t have bothered to check mine until it would have been too late Assuming they settle at $500, players who got in will have essentially gotten the set for free if they purchased at least two and sold the extra
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No.417626
>>417616
>The shitstorm that came from this is fantastic
I haven't been paying attention to it because it's all so tiring. Got any highlights, or a brief tl;dr? I know you can buy a special product via Hasbro's online store and get a bunch of expensive promo planeswalkers with a slightly smaller box of boosters, but that's it.
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No.417627
I know Magic has had a lot of SJWy stuff in it before (female warriors, black protagonists, etc), but when did WotC really start to double down on it all? What set had
>A ton of females in art
>A ton of black characters (may overlap with the above)
>White people being villains
>Card quality dropping the most
New cards just don't feel collectable. The quality is shit. The flavor is shit. The power level is laughable.
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No.417631
>>417626
The best place to mine salt is on the mtg reddit page and mtgfinance.
I'll give a tl;dr as best as I can.
The new mythic edition went on sale at 3pm PST. It literally sold it in like 5 minutes. It was insane. Hasbro forgot to add sales tax, so the entire 1st wave who had shipments to states that required sales tax got their orders cancelled. There were like 3 or 4 waves where the orders that got cancelled got put back up, but it was common to go to buy and get a notice saying that wotc didn't have the goods available. There was recently a twitter from wotc where it confirmed that there were only 12,000 units to be sold and that any number sold after that will be cancelled and refunded. The issue is that the counter was never reset, so it ended up counting the cancelled orders from first wave on. This means that just because you got a confirmation email/feedback/whatever, your order can still be cancelled and there's jack shit you can do about it. Keep in mind that a bunch of kikes were trying to flip this shit on eBay a day prior to release and before the product has even shipped. This means that the whole fiasco has turned into a complete shit-show. Wotc can't and won't print more, so now everyone who has an order will be on edge until they physically arrive.
The entire thing has been a huge shitshow and I would laugh if this finally causes newfags to fuck off from magic.
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No.417634
>>417631
Is there anything stopping them from printing more? I mean obviously it would cost money in order for them to preserve their goodwill, so they wouldn't do that, but they aren't like, legally obligated or anything, it's just that the print run is done?
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No.417635
>>417631
>>417634
Okay what, how did I miss this shit
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No.417641
>>417634
They'll get sued. The same thing would happen if they ever reprinted rl cards.
>>417635
Magic investors are batshit crazy in general. I have no doubt that many of them would literally kill to get those boxes. Rudy apparently got some info that the set was printing more than the 12,000 originally given. The fuck-up that was the current mythic launch didn't help either. It seems like he's no longer going to be covering mythic releases now. It's unfortunate, because he's at least interesting. The professor has been quiet, so I wonder what he thinks of this whole mess?
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No.417642
Here's what I managed to grab from twitter.
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No.417643
>>417642
The really funny part is that this is going to be forgotten by the time Modern Masters drops. A lot of these people are completely addicted to the game and can't stop. I once met some guy at a lgs, when I first started really playing magic and that's when I was introduced to someone with paper addiction. He didn't care what cards he got in booster packs, but only that he was opening up booster packs. I have a friend, who has the same addiction. He wants to build a standard deck, but only wants to get the cards from boosters. It doesn't make any logical sense.
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No.417648
>>417627
Female warriors and black protagonists aren't inherently SJW, problem is is that they're forcing them in everywhere now.
They stated somewhere that they'd be (((diversifying))) the cards by printing a 50/50 ratio of males and females and around a 50/50 ratio of blacks and whites.
Do also expect even more shitty forced story with token cards like Kaya and every other while male to be a faggot.
>>417641
>The professor has been quiet, so I wonder what he thinks of this whole mess?
I unsubbed from The professor few years ago already.
He tends to criticize WotC for this bullcrap and yeah his product reviews are amazing but he's still pandering to thots when they get shat on.
Bloody hell that guy is married yet did not see a single fault on why that cosplayer girl actually got shat on.
>>417643
>He didn't care what cards he got in booster packs, but only that he was opening up booster packs.
It's essentially the same addiction/thrill you get from gambling.
>I have a friend, who has the same addiction. He wants to build a standard deck, but only wants to get the cards from boosters. It doesn't make any logical sense.
That's not an addiction that's just being plain stupid.
I got a friend who's exactly the same calling me pay2win when I make a casual Modern deck where I bought half the cards online for under €15 only because I didn't get them from opening boosters.
I'm trying to get out the "good goy" in him so that he finally starts buying his cards in the cheap.
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No.417658
>>417627
Theros was notable for having faggots and niggers everywhere, but Tarkir was pretty straightforward. Magic Origins had tonnes of reprints, so that mitigated the poz somewhat; I'd say Battle for Zendikar was when all of this trash started being kicked into overdrive, although even then the presence of the Eldrazi meant that the poz took a back seat.
I think Shadows Over Innistrad was when we first got a set that really focused on poz as much as possible.
>majority of white characters are women, even if it makes no sense in a setting inspired by historical Germanic nations
>tonnes of black, Arabic, and Asian characters in this Germanic setting
>the church is ebil, you guise!!!
>canonical dykes
>card quality is awful
>art replaced by 3D garbage, especially the Eldrazi
Perhaps most importantly, the established lore of Innistrad was shunted aside in favour of their new trash. We'd reach peak revisionism with Dominaria, but SOI was the first red flag.
>>417641
>They'll get sued. The same thing would happen if they ever reprinted rl cards
To be strict, there isn't much legal ground for people to sue WotC over promissory estoppel. http://web.archive.org/web/20190412164419/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/contract-from-below-promissory-estoppel-and-the-reserved-list
There was a big story in 2018 which concerned a couple of collectors who were moving cards worth about $70,000, one of whom cancelled his sell offer because the market changed and he wanted a better deal elsewhere, but I'm not sure if that case would be enough to set a legal precedent for cards explicitly being worth money.
>>417642
>>417643
That's the good stuff. I love seeing these parasites get burnt.
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No.417663
>>417658
>Create a plane based on the Far-East and it's filled to the brim with only Asians
>Create a plane based on Ancient Greece and it's half African
Really, REALLY makes those synapses fire in your cranium doesn't it?
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No.417668
>>417658
And I know the company is pushing those diversity quotas, but as you said, some sets are worse than others. Who were the development teams on those particularly bad sets?
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No.417678
>>417648
It's just the broader normal cattle mindset. I've been into this game casually for ~4 years because a college friend got me into it. I've barely bothered with events, I usually just played with him. I thought maybe I'd try and start going to local modern events this summer, but that seems less likely now after I went to a war pre release with him.
The average normie entrenched in this game is just anathema to me. The way they casually talk about blowing hundreds on boxes every set, and supporting the sheer kikery of this timmy edition crap. They're not necessarily bad people either, they just got too into the bread and circus games to think critically. It's sad really.
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No.417679
>>417678
I’d say a majority of the people who bought the latest mythic Timmy boxes were looking to sell them. With how expensive certain cards are, it was largely seen as free money. People will pay $500 for a single box too, when the cards inside are worth $600 at the least.
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No.417699
>>417679
Do they actually have that much value inside them? Or are people just saying that much, because of reprints of expensive cards / special edition?
It almost feels like a mania, people trying to merchandise the boxes to each other, like a hot potato. I will be infinitely amused if they implode and become worth $300
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No.417702
>>417699
Of the mythic edition planeswalkers, 3 of them are currently going for over $200 each. Jace alone can pay for the set. They will never be $300 unless magic as a whole tanks in value. Unless we get another shit mythic edition set like the previous one, I could see them putting LotV into the next mythic edition. That Jace is easily one of the most expensive planeswalkers in magic, so good Lily being in the next set would make sense and it would cause a similar reaction. It may even cause a bigger reaction, because she's the waifu for a lot of magic playersShe's a slut though
On a separate note, there is a new wave of cancellations going on right now. Ebay stated that they oversold the set last night and now people who had confirmation orders are getting cancellation emails and refunds. A lot of people aren't being refunded their shipping, so this whole shitshow is about to be taken to the next level. I'll post pictures as I collect them.
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No.417704
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No.417711
>>417402
Won't his hall of fame status force them to comment on his status as a magic player at some point? Are they just going to erase his name from that list, too? Wouldn't surprise me.
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No.417712
>>417704
The anger levels are high, but I expect this to be largely forgotten by the time Modern Horizons shows up. Current magic players are far too addicted to paper to ever quit.
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No.417720
>>417712
The anger isn't high for the reasons they say though. If they got theirs they would be giddy as a loon that their "investmen" was worth so much. They're just salty they lost the roll of the dice.
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No.417724
>>417712
>>417720
Worst thing of all, they'd all do it again in a heartbeat.
It's bad enough that you're addicted to giving WotC shekels, at least try to keep it to a minimum like I try to do.
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No.417729
>>417711
Is there anything stoping him from goign all mr.miyogi on some relatively strong newb and taking a split of the prize money that way?
I mean from what I understand, the majority of the brains in magic happens in understanding the meta/preparation. Not at the table itself (which can be trained relatively easily once your meta choices are locked in).
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No.417733
>>417729
Don't underestimate the table skills, I've heard stories about cash noobs buying $1k decks and losjng against much cheaper decks because they just bought into the game.
Besides that I got to agree at least 75% of Pro Tour is understanding the meta and having a meta deck.
I mean, it's not that difficult to teach someone the other 25% in table skills, that's essentially just experience.
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No.417736
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No.417738
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