/tg/ - Traditional Games

>>417737

The Mythic Timmy Edition shitstorm is still ongoing and it seems to be getting worse as time goes on. I'm actually curious if enough people will move away from Magic to cause a reaction from Hasbro or if they'll continue to bend over. The next week should be interesting at the very least.

>>417749

The fact that they manage to consistently fuck up with Timmy Edition isconfusing, to say the least.

You'd think they'd learn by now.

>>417749

Can you give a tldr beyond what was posted last thread?

>>417753

I think there are enough people that consistently give them the benefit of a doubt, that they don't have to care. wotc just made a quick $3 million in like 5 minutes and there was enough demand that they could have made a lot more. I believe that the next one is going to only go two ways. The more probably way things could go is that it'll be another shitshow like this mythic edition. The least probable is that it fails because interest tanks. There are just too many people addicted for magic lose that much interest any time soon.

>>417758

Sure.

>Mythic Edition 3 gets announced with best Jace, Ugin and new Bolas as promos.

>Only 12k get announced to get interest high

>set gets released at 3pm PST

>As expected, the site starts crashing

>minutes in, it's nearly sold out and then wotc realizes that they didn't add sales tax

>every order of the original 12k that was in a state that requires sale tax is auto-cancelled

>Some minutes later, those cancelled orders get put back up, but they are counted towards the total bought. The counter is above 12k.

>People who had confirmation emails from the first wave are also getting cancellation emails, so people that got an order in the first minute and then went to work, etc, are just completely fucked.

>2nd and 3rd wave take place where people either time out or their orders get cancelled

>eBay/wotc eventually oversell

>hours later, eBay/wotc send out a message that the first 12k that went through will be honored and everyone else will be refunded and cancelled

>People from each wave are getting cancelled, so it feels like they did a lottery system

>24 hours later and eBay is sending out emails to people who got in and people who will get a refund

>The issue is that people were charged shipping and that wasn't refunded. wotc/ebay also charged these people before the goods were shipped, so now a lot of money was essentially loaned to wotc interest free

>wotc won't get this money back to people until like a week later

The main issue with this whole shitshow is that there was zero communication from wotc the entire time. A lot of speculation was made and people got crazy to the point that Rudy was getting death threats. There was a ton of salt to be mined as well, and wotc/ebay was charging people before the boxes shipped, so money was taken out and not all of it will be returned. They're also going to piss more people off when they give out a 5% off the Hasbro store apology gift. If this doesn't get people to start quitting magic in droves, nothing will.

The whole thing could have been resolved had wotc started communicating early. Making sure the counter reset or not showing it at all would have kept speculation down as well. Fucking up the shipping fucked over a lot of people. Taking 24 hours to send out final cancellation notices and taking people's money before shipping was incredibly jewish.

>>417749

People wont move away. Most normal people don't give a shit about it because dropping that amount of cash on cardboard in one go is too much. The people who are super salty about it are the "investors" who are in the deep throws of sunk cost fallacy and will only stop funding WoTC's greed when they are bankrupt.

>>417765

>

The whole thing could have been resolved had wotc started communicating early. Making sure the counter reset or not showing it at all would have kept speculation down as well. Fucking up the shipping fucked over a lot of people. Taking 24 hours to send out final cancellation notices and taking people's money before shipping was incredibly jewish.

>wotc fails on like 5 separate control points

Gee, I can't wait to see how they'll blame the white males for this one

>>417765

Is Mythic Edition the one with anime alternative art?

>>417801

No, those are the regular WAR booster boxes in Japan.

Each planeswalker has a 50% chance of being an alternate art one or something.

>>417801

No, but, those are the best things in this set.

>>417823

>he actually wanted to buy timmy boxes

>>417836

muh free money

>>417853

A lot of the people that play magic are pretty submissive. There can be huge differences between stores and playgroups in general. I used to go to prereleases at a store near where I used to live and it looked like tranny central. I'm pretty sure that many of the female customers at that store were actually men. I switched stores for a different prerelease and it was filled with a bunch regular looking magic players. That is, it was full of a bunch of older guys who were mellow and super out of shape. There were some highschool kids, but they were pretty chill.

>>417853

>"this went one for a couple of years

Nah, I gotta give it to the guy. If he left his bike out for a couple of years, never using it or anything then he deserved to have it stolen. Shrugging it off is probably the most mature thing he could have done then.

>>417853

A few reasons, wanting to have nice things, trying to rebuild a collection, making lots of shekels etc. Oh, and fuck China.

>>417902

>Wanting to have expensive things

>Trying to rebuild a collection in the most expensive way possible

>muh investment

>fuck China, I have to give money to the unscrupulous communists at WoTC instead.

>>417904

Truly, Israel is our greatest ally.

>>417904

To be fair, it’s the secondary market not WoTC themselves. Although it’s arguably worse to give your money to finance kikes than wizards.

>>417904

China is getting better with proxies, so I'd assume once they become largely indistinguishable from the real thing, they'll explode in popularity.

>>417906

wotc does bend over for the secondary market, so I wouldn't be surprised if they're more involved in then they let on.

What does everyone think of the new set? It looks like New Lili and Bolas are going to go up in price after the SCG open. Modern Horizons is also less than a month away, and that's still a really big unknown. It'll either warp modern or be a failure. There doesn't seem to be any middle ground with it.

>>417907

>It'll either warp modern or be a failure

The purpose of that set will be to transform Modern into a Legacy-lite format, so that players have a "final step" on the ladder WotC has tried to construct over the last several years. The progression used to be limited > standard > standard > standard > maybe modern or EDH or legacy, but they have a much clearer idea of how players should progress now. Draft > standard > modern is the new path they've been pushing at least since the jacetice league was introduced.

Obviously players are expected to partake in prereleases, some players stop at standard forever, and some skip modern for better formats like legacy and pauper, but what I've described should be pretty obvious for anyone who's followed the game for the last three or four years. Occasionally, supplemental products will be produced so players can buy into EDH or something.

There will be one factor about this new "Modern" format which will ensure players still like it, though: no reserve list cards. Legacy will be left to wither and fall prey to market buyouts (or become a cheaper format propped up by counterfeit cards and chill players) while Vintage will continue to die until WotC grows a pair and restricts Workshop, which they won't because it's expensive.

Anyway, look forward to all your favourite WotC-approved Legacy decks being ported over to Modern, trimmed of any reserve list cards, or any cards too complicated for nu-players. Brainstorm will still not be legal.

>>417907

>China is getting better with proxies, so I'd assume once they become largely indistinguishable from the real thing, they'll explode in popularity.

Turns out that since the card stock itself has gone to shit, the chinese proxies are better. It's a common joke that you can tell a card is bootleg when it has a good card stock to it. In Modern and Legacy (since both are growing more fringe by the day), people don't give a SHIT about counterfeits. EDH? Most people are running counterfeit anyway That being said, all they need to do is just improve the holograph bullshit

>modern horizons

You just know the format is going to be warped to hell and back. Remember how they reprinted the Eldrazi sol lands, right before Oath of the whatever? WOTC wanted to push Eldrazi out there as a deck, and had no idea that they'd be that fucking strong. WOTC, like a lot of other devs, are completely disconnected from the tourney minds that don't go on reddit or twitter. They honestly thought people would play BR vamps when SOI was a thing.

The set is going to have some pushed HYPE OMG bullshit that casuals think is so broken to start. Then you get some ultra-spike format warping shit that's in mythic or short printed rare. That'll be $70 on preorder and 80 in reality. Some disappointing niche rares that will go for $2 at the most, because they browse MTGS too and get ideas from that. They'll super print some shit similar to Comet Storm in Mythic to make you hate yourself. Probably crap like uncommon/rare Counterspell, uncommon StP, so on so forth.

Looking forward to jamming in some new stars into my cube though.

>LGS has something like 5 or 6 total drafts between now and WAR prerelease

>Miss every single one because work

>Finally make it out to one

>Cost is $30 CDN for a fucking draft

>End up in White Weenie

>Except not weenies, but fliers, five of those 2/2 for 3cc, tons of cool tricks, etc

>First match was against Rainbow Bolas, second against Izzet spells

>Keep in mind this is WARx3 draft

>Go 0/2 on matches and drop

Fucking

>>417897

>this went one for a couple of years, since getting it to the shop was a hassle

>turns out somebody stole it

>and at the time i was really mad

>couple of years

>getting upset that it was stolen/thrown out

The mature thing would have to pick it up, and carry it, or replace the wheel, at most, within a week. And that's in a good neighborhood where it won't be stolen immediately.

>The people in this hobby are un-fucking-real.

Is correct.

>>417942

>Draft > standard > modern is the new path they've been pushing at least since the jacetice league was introduced.

That's because their not-EDH that they tried to force in-between standard and modern was widely trashed.

lol Check out this deck:

4 Ancient Tomb

4 Blast Zone

4 Chalice of the Void

1 City of Traitors

4 Cloudpost

4 Glimmerpost

4 Grim Monolith

1 Karakas

4 Karn, Scion of Urza

4 Karn, the Great Creator

1 Sorcerous Spyglass

4 Thespian's Stage

4 Thran Dynamo

3 Trinisphere

3 Ugin, the Ineffable

3 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon

3 Vesuva

2 Voltaic Key

3 Walking Ballista

SIDEBOARD

3 Ensnaring Bridge

4 Leyline of the Void

1 Mycosynth Lattice

1 Ratchet Bomb

1 Sorcerous Spyglass

1 Tormod's Crypt

1 Trinisphere

1 Walking Ballista

2 Warping Wail

It may be the best deck in Legacy right now. Karn may have broken the format. It's really very good.

>>417958

It's a wholly colourless ramp/prison deck that the new Karn really shines in as a tutor. 4 of him in it, and 4 copies of blast zone, which is also very strong. The new land functions very similarly to engineered explosives, and I'm surprised that Wizards printed such a strong effect on a land, and it taps for colorrless mana, too. It'll see tons of play in all eternal formats. Many non-aggro, non-fast combo decks with good mana are going to want to play it.

>>417954

No, small LGS with infrequent customer base, it's the only thing in town, and he basically has to charge that much to get his bills paid. He's a nice guy, so we get it

>>417942

Is there anyone that would actually believe that they would print brainstorm into the the format that has ponder/preordain banned?

>>417964

My prediction is that there will probably be 3 maybe 4 cards that are actually good in the set. With the card pool available to Modern, they need to actually print good cards, or else nobody will use them for the fucking format (unless they do something stupid like gee, I don't know, sell the product on hype/concept)

Realistically, we'll see more format warping from 1-2 cards in a future set that were unintended, since we all know how badly out of touch they are

>>417965

I'm thinking they'll also be using it to reprint some Modern staples.

>>417961

What? No, that thing doesn't tap for colourless mana.

>>417977

They've confirmed that there will be no currently modern-legal reprints.

>>417981

I'm saying the new land is closer to Ratchet Bomb than EE, are you dense?

>>417992

Different guy. The ability reads more like EE, with the XX cost and the fact that it can blow for 1 immediately.

Sure you can charge over time but I think you're more likely to just spend 4 to go straight to 3.

>>417995

>Never brewed mill from scratch so I don't know what I'm doing

Straight mill is unplayable due to it not affecting the board state, and not being able to interact with your opponent, and not winning the game until you have completely milled your opponent (and let him do whatever he wants for 5+ turns).

To brew and pilot a successful mill deck, there are two general ways to go:

>control or deck destruction, where you use cards like Surgical Extraction and hand rip to neuter your opponent before or while casting the actual mill cards

>pillow fort or fog, where you do everything possible to gain life or otherwise invalidate your opponents' actions (there was a mono-blue deck in SOI Standard that used an artifact to gain life on casting blue spells, for instance)

Thief of Sanity doesn't seem strong enough to rumble in Standard. I'd build a UB control shell and fill the rest of the slots with Drowned Secrets and Persistent Petitioners. Wall of Lost Thoughts also seems like a solid blocker.

>>417998

And I just realized, I don't have any slots for Augur of Bolas or Thought Erasures, fuck.

>>417998

>white spells in the sideboard

>double white spell in the sideboard

Don't. Just focus on UB. If you wanted to play those cards, you'd just be playing Esper control. You may consider Bonds of Insight as a card advantage spell, but perhaps it's too slow.

>Moment of Craving

I'd put this in the sideboard and lead with something like the Ob Nixlis -5/-5 kill spell, or at the very least play a split of the two.

>Thief

If you're only playing one actual creature, it will always die unless it has protection. I'd sooner play the UUBB hexproof flying deathtouch thing, since it will always either trade or chip away.

>Thought Collapse

Awful cancel. Play the surveil counterspell if you want a 3-drop counter; the card selection will always be better than a random mill 3.

>Ritual

Seems like it could be powerful, but I have a feeling it's worse than Cry of the Carnarium.

>Opt/Discovery

Eight of these plus two Mission Briefings plus Notion Rain plus Disinformation Campaign is a lot of treading water. I'd cut everything that isn't a cheap cantrip.

>Disinfo

>>alternate win condition in a mill deck with no threats

You're joking, right? Making your opponent discard cards isn't a win condition.

>Augur of Bolas

>Thought Erasure

Yeah, you should definitely be playing those. Like I said earlier, the nice thing about relying on a card like Drowned Secrets is that you can just put it on the board early and play a control game while slowly chipping away at your opponent. You don't need alterate win conditions, you just need a way to consistently answer or stall against everything your opponent is doing.

>>418001

I put alternate in quotes for a reason. My logic was that with all the surveil cards, I could reset it for another trigger off drowned secrets.

But I think I agree with most of your criticisms, I'll try and define it a bit more. Thanks.

>>418006

Looks much more focused. Nice going.

>>417994

>>417995

It doesn't apply retroactively, it applies from when the spell resolves until the end of turn. However, it will apply to creatures that enter the battlefield after Cry resolves but still die before the turn ends.

>>417994

>>418021

Oh fuck I'm dumb, there is the second sentence in it. That is a dumb card.

>>418022

Apparently there were even pro players that missed the second sentence, on stream, and didn't get busted for it. Fucking WotC can't even template right

>>418024

It is weird how it punishes people responding to it. Creatures get exiled no matter what.

>>418153

You know what I never fucking got? If graveyard decks are such a problem then why doesn't anyone run 2-3 pieces of mainboard hate and just kill them?

>>418163

but goy if you mainboard hate then what happens if you don't play against a reanimator deck?

>>418163

Running mainboard GY hate is still a liability in formats like Legacy, where every card needs to be optimized. GY decks tend to be popular in waves, where the meta forgets they exist, then they sweep a few GPs, then people start playing Relic or Surgical in their sideboard, then they go away.

In Modern, the GY decks are often strong enough to fight through an opponent who mulled to 5 in order to find his Leyline/Surgical, or can board into cards that require less focus on the GY.

>>418170

>>418164

Right, but at some point you either play the card that stops you from dying or eat shit. It's a lot like the "Ban Chalice" crowd, running a card that can bail you out isn't worth it because it's not always good.

There was this idea that without DRS the format would immediately be overrun by BR Reanimator/Dredge/Tinfins and the only thing holding back the long night was Force decks being able to run a really fucking good 1-drop that doubled as GY hate. Turns out that was straight up wrong.

>>418165

Good. It's almost like there's a real metagame.

Can anyone help me? I've recently started playing commander at my FLGS. It was sold to me as a fun way to use all my old cards that I've had since I was a kid.

My first game I was destroyed by some dudes super combo by turn four. People gave me loads of shit for playing my old fun but dumb cards like "Everyone votes on weather to counter the spell or not" and shit like that. Apparently it's really annoying to play cards like that because it bogs the game down and stops people playing how they want.

So what cards are good for commander, but also have that useless random nonsense stuff that offends all the neckbeards who take this shit way too seriously? I'm talking about flip a coin shit. Shuffle decks together shit. Anything like that which would really piss of a bunch of die hard MTG junkies. Ideally something I can win with, but I'll happily settle for just winding them up. Stuff like Sherherazard where you have to play under the table. Or that super rare card Garriot gave out when he had his kid and you shuffle the decks together and make a third one for a new player.

I've got loads of cards from way back to Arabian Nights, but I never collected seriously and just bought a few packs here and there to play with friends when we would get interested in it again. So I do have a few cards like this, but not enough to make a good deck.

Bonus points if I can find bootleg versions of the cards that will pass for legit. I have a feeling these are the kinds of guys who would screetch at me if they found out I was playing with inauthentic cards. Which makes me want to do it all the more. Plus I'm cheap.

P.S. how the fuck can people say commander is a fun format for you to mess around in with your old cards when everyone is running decks full of mythic rares and $30+ cards?

>>418276

>bog down the game

Isn’t the whole appeal of commander that it is slower? Playing a deck that can kill turn 4 seems the opposite of the spirit of the format. Tell them they are faggots that should play a 60 card format if they want faster games, that’s what I play for just that reason.

>>418282

Faggots want a deck that can kill on turn 4 in commander, they just want their turn 4 to be a really fucking long turn while they loop cast their Maelstrom Wanderer over and over until they have their entire deck on the table.

>>418295

Don't write statements with question marks on the end of them?

I'm assuming you mean player A casts a creature spell or something simple in his main phase. In that case, he puts his creature on the stack, then player B puts any relevant triggers on the stack, then player C puts his triggers on the stack. Because the triggered abilities from things like Possibility Storm are your triggers, you would choose the order they go onto the stack in.

>>418299

>Don't write statements with question marks on the end of them?

>If it's Player A's turn, he'll do X, then Y, then Z?

That's a question, anon.

>>418300

>>>>>>>>>>Remind me how APNAP works?

>>418336

It was an implied request, the "can you / can someone please" was omitted because it wasn't necessary

>>418394

>vanilla 9/9

>gods shall kneel

>>418394

>that 6 mana thing

>powerful

Maybe in limited.

>>418414

He's referring to counterspells. That card hates on counterspells because it's uncounterable.

>>418595

I know it exists, but what do I have to do with it?

It's just one of the many mediocre attempts of WotC to introduce ramp in green that's not deemed verboten like 1 CMC mana dorks, land search etc.

That Elvish Rejuvinator, that card first passed me like a new kind of Cultivate, until I played it and bloody hell was it a mess.

Why can't I just fetch a land from my library? Why only the top 5 cards?

The thing you posted is some state-of-the-art faux ramp right there.

It's only useful if you have land in your hand, else it's shit.

>>418600

at least they didn't say basic land in it so it has some functionality

>>418600

Yeah, but given the current Standard environment, you won't see a big flier until at least turn 4. So he can stall on the ground for a bit, and then chump fliers. And if you get it turn 1, you get your mana, without having to tap it. I think it's a good package for the current environment, and you can even drop in a shockland, getting up to 3-4 available colors on turn 2 without a big problem.

>>418588

>>T3 colossus, becomes 6/4 trampler, swing for 6 (becomes 7/5, 13 life), thud for lethal (7+7 damage)

You're describing a turn where you attack twice, but I get the idea. It sounds like a hilarious deck.

>>418595

>>418600

I saw people discussing it in Pauper lands builds, since those decks lack good ways to put lands into play. Currently they slum it with cards like Sakura-Tribe Scout, which are pretty poor.

>>418626

>You're describing a turn where you attack twice, but I get the idea. It sounds like a hilarious deck.

Anon.

Turn two, you swing for 1. It deals 1 damage, putting them to 19 life, and becomes a 2/2.

Three three, you cast Colossus, making it a 6/4. It deals 6 damage, putting them to 13 life. On your postcombat main phase, you cast Thud. You sacrifice the Butcher to deal 7 damage as part of Thud. They are at 6 life. Because the Butcher dies, it deals 7 damage to any target. They're dead.

>>418633

I forgot about the Butcher's death trigger. That's fucked up.

>>418646

>Vicious Rumours

There is not a single situation where I would prefer to play this card over Duress. Flashing back duress with Arcanist is better than flashing back Vicious Rumours.

>deck feels swingy

Such is the nature of combo decks. Does the backup plan feel solid enough?

>>418626

>Pauper lands

What's this?

>>418677

Plays a tonne of utility lands and tries to win through repeated bouncing thereof. Forgive the e-celeb cancer, but this is the list people were discussing RE: Growth Spiral. I'd imagine the new 0/3 is added to this shell.

>>418706

it's fun until you get to around platinum and then the fun to play against and with decks and you get people who exploit the meta or the game's mechanics and the fun stops.

So typical for magic I guess.

>>418706

If you like the current Standard, grinding for hours and/or paying lots of shekels to WotC for virtual cards and Planeswalkers: the Gathering then yes MTGA is amazing.

>>418719

Who cares, competitive magics is filled to the brim with cheaters and general scumbags. They can all burn alongside investor kikes for all I care for making a career out of a fucking hobby.

>>418674

>Does the backup plan feel solid enough?

What backup plan, smashing them a bunch? Other than dying to a well-placed removal spell, no

>>418726

That's a separate issue. I think the point anon was going for was that

>Selling out the competitive aspect of the game to people who don't even fucking play

>While ignoring the community that built up around you

>To replace fans with people who don't even play the game

>>418719

wotc shot themselves in the foot. Hopefully, people put their money where their mouths are and leave wotc behind.

>>418763

I'm afraid that this won't happen anytime soon.

MtG is an addiction, nobody every stops, they just take a pause.

I don't want to give them any cent, but sadly they maintain in my opinion the best game in existence.

What is the best way to play magic on the computer these days? I would usually play Cockatrice. Every once in a while I feel like shitting around and making commander decks.

>>418750

There's Cedric Phillips, who (used to) do commentary for ScarcityGames events. Aside from that, I've seen a handful of niggers in my time travelling to tournaments, but the vast majority of the playerbase is white and Asian men.

>>418772

XMage and untap.in are the other large digital clients. I don't know how populated they are now that Arena has been leeching users from everywhere under the sun, though.

>>418774

Seeing stuff like this makes me sadder and sadder that Force of Will died, since it reminds me of that game's art style. I'd have loved to jump ship to MTG With Anime Tittymonsters, but the devs and publishers were apparently determined to run it into the ground.

>>418793

>I don't know how populated they are now that Arena has been leeching users from everywhere under the sun, though.

I always playtest my decks on these kinds of clients, things which I cannot do on MTGA.

Casual modern deck idea; Scute Mob and Simic Ascendancy

Too slow to take seriously

Speaking of Modern Horizons...

https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/183346063803/modern-horizons-has-the-restriction-of-all

Are they going to blow up the prices of Modern even more by introducing Legacy cards?

So far as I can see no real or needed Modern reprint will be available because they're retarded and new chase cards will be printed.

>>418882

>Are they going to blow up the prices of Modern even more by introducing Legacy cards?

I think it'll depend on the print run and how good cards/decks actually become. If some new staple invalidates Arclight Phoenix, any new cards people spec on "because this makes phoenix broken!!!!11" will tank.

>>418899

>if we pretend gay hate doesn't exist in our fictional universe then it'll send a message to reality

isn't ravnica supposed to be a terrible place to live anyways why the fuck would you retcon something bad about a bad place

>>418901

nigga you know what I meant, something "negative" about a place that anyone with eyes can see is a terrible place to live, like most of the worlds in magic.

>>418899

Magic as a card game is great in general, but everything else about it and wotc in general are pure cancer. Ral being gay seems unnecessary. I wouldn’t be surprised if characters like Urza get turned into a homos as well. Chandra seems like she’d be an easy target for dikefication.

>>418882

>Modern Horizons

I really see it only going one of two ways. Serra planeswalker really is one of the strongest cards in the set and it’s going to be complete shit or some rare or uncommon is going to break modern in two. Wotc fucked up the war print run by not having any supply for lgs after week 1, so the same thing will probably happen with mh.

We’ll find out soon how good the set will be. Spoilers should be coming out in a week or so.

>>418899

What is the appeal of having lterally every single setting whether fantasy or sci-fi be some version San Francisco except instead of heroin needles, garbage bags full of shit and squatter camps it's flying pyramids/neo-sumerian hanging gardens/neoclassicism for architecture and clean public spaces full of well dressed people of all colours who love fags and lesbians and transpeople freely mingling.

>>418910

but aaanon people aren't allowed to have prejudices in a fictional setting that might actually be fucking interesting and give the characters that fall out of the norm more character traits, and our virtue signalling can't require good character writing!

>>418903

Is supply for War that low? Can you stil buy boxes? I night sit on a sealed box or two and wait a few years if so

Fuck, I just realized War is identical to Apocalypse

>multicolored block (fuck you its a block)

>"beloved" chracters we've seen for years

>culmination of a major story arc

>villain invades a popular plane and gets BTFO by natives

>>418482

Cards arrived in the mail, sleeved it up and goldfished it a bunch. I am very excited to play this deck tomorrow. It's got a little bit of everything and it just comes together so well.

It's like it has the disruption and stall of a control deck and everything incidentally mills, and even failing that, it can be a spellslinger deck via Saheeli (I might even drop Karn for a 3rd copy)

>>418772

I started playing Shandalar. It's quite the experience.

>>418734

Yes that's fine and all, but don't forget Lich's Mastery

>>418990

Is there timing to destroy lich's mirror between when you choose not to pay and when you lose?

Lich's Mirror shuffles permanents you own into your library, not permanents you control into their owner's library. Pair this with some creature stealing effects since you're playing red anyways.

>>418999

Never

>>418994

Players can't act inside of abilities, so no.

>>418999

>lens of clarity

Disgusting. The rest are pretty cool, though. Is this just a casual collection, or do you play it on the kitchen table?

>>419017

It's a jhoira edh deck.

>>418482

Alright, after much hype, my deck went 2-2 during the swiss rounds, and came 3rd place overall (out of 9th). Not bad.

In testing, I'd always get 1 or 2 Drowned Secrets. Game 1 of every real match, I'd never get one, or it'd be too late in the game to be relevant. And since my removal suite is weak game 1 (only Deputies, really) I'd often board them out for Moment of Cravings and maybe Ritual of Soot if I needed it too. I get the feeling then, that maybe instead of milling, a strong UB/x control deck might just be a better call, and then I can use Enter the God Eternals and Moment of Craving as a base (perhaps with Thought Erasures too).

I only fully decked someone once. Another time I got them to ~16 cards and they conceded, and another opponent went down to 2 cards before he overwhelmed me at the last moment. Another opponent brought me to 1, and 4 life, before I recovered off a timely topdecked God Eternals.

As far as trades go, I sold my Arclight Phoenix I had at cost, and also got 4 Rhythm of the Wild. Another trade was 1 Breeding Pool + 3 Overgrown Tomb (I had 7, these ones were the reprints from the latest sets) and got the new Liliana at about a $2 loss to myself. All in all, a pretty good night.

>>419020

It exists to create a number of Modern staples to shake up the metagame. If the cards are shit, they'll just use existing ones. If they're too good, they'll just break the format even more. It's designed to be draftable and it costs twice as much, so ...

>>418912

wotc will eventually print to demand if they haven't already. The issue is that the delay is going to cut into war sales by having it compete with modern horizons. Hype for mh is building and the bab promo has already been spoiled. It's going to shift demand away from war and towards modern horizons. Core set 2020 comes out July 12, so that will shift focus away from war even more once the mh hype dies down.

>>418999

It looks fine. The 50 life fuck you canon is there, so it should be able to at least fuck at least one other player up.

>>419020

It's a set that is focused on modern. Given wotc's record, it's either going to be a dud or some card(s) are going to warp the modern meta. Just look at baby teferi in standard for how a card that wotc considered to only be a 1-of in the sb, could warp standard so much. It completely fucks over control, so I'm happy that he exists

>>419034

Esper and Bant seem to be the go-to colors for standard outside of mono-red. It gives you access to the best counter spells, teferis, hand disruption, , lots of card draw, some of the best creatures, and some of the best removal and sweepers in the game.

>>419079

Ah, and apparently Flusterstorm is the buy-a-box promo. Excellent handling of the situation as usual from WotC.

>>419098

I really hate this new mentality of removing shit that triggers when anyone does something, who cares if newfags can't keep up with triggers it has may on it if they forget they obviously don't care

>>419100

Yeah, I ain't buying shit from them. I might do a pack or two to have fun but that's all. Their sanitization of mechanics is a slap in the face to established players (in a sense, the same way their PT coverage being done by fucking Hearthstone players is)

Fuck them.

>>419100

>>419102

It could be a way of padding out the set with "new" cards. Drift will not be counted then as one of the 50 reprints from legacy.

>>419079

I wonder if flusterstorm will be the signature blue counter they print into the format instead of Counterspell/FoW/Daze, that'd throw people for a loop. Or maybe they are doing more than one.

Will fluster even have a major impact on the format?

>>419111

Looking at MTG Goldfish, people are already selling it for 200% what it was last week.

>>419139

I'm buying entry to an event, which includes 2-3 packs. I'm not directly buying them, nor am I buying individual cards

>>419142

Buying from a store is the closest thing most people have to buying direct.

>>419146

And I'm supporting my LGS and community, which is something that WotC doesn't do.

>>419141

>That card

That shit won the Standard Showdown in my FLGS yesterday.

What an absolute cancer.

>>419153

>Able to pull 7 mana in standard.

Faggot deserves to win.

>>419154

>What is Wilderness Reclamation

>What is card draw

>What is Growth Spiral

Unless I was playing mono-red there was no way to rush him down.

>>419156

Syncopate for 2

>>419169

Wizard's Retort'd it, back into deck, land untap again (Wilderness Reclamation stack), plays instant-speed draw cards.

Next turn it's on again.

>>419174

>Wing Shards

Well the Storm Scale has officially lost all meaning. Hope to see Banding make a comeback.

>>419170

>implying Prohibit won't warp the format

How am I gonna stop Prohibit unless I run blue?! Hard counters are too broken for Modern, goyim.

>>419179

>can't prohibit force of negation

They have no idea what they are doing. That, or they really hate control and its players.

>>419180

>Kicker

Yes you can.

>>419179

I actually like it. It's FoW that doesn't stop creatures or protect combo.

>>419179

Sage for doublepost, but it's pretty interesting with and against Snapcaster Mage. Although it can't hit as many things flashing it back is easier than FoW (5 mana vs 7) and it prevents your opponent from flashing back whatever you counter.

>>418990

its def funny at least

>>419179

>3 mana negate, useless against creatures, for a format with mostly creature decks

It's awful unless you're in a control mirror, or against one of the few combo decks that are left, and want to stop something during their turn. This card won't see any serious main-deck play in Modern.

http://archive.fo/H1p4D

Banned & restricted update.

>Pauper

>Gush, Daze, and Gitaxian Probe are banned

No changes in other formats.

I'm sad to see Daze go, but overall the bans seem healthy for the meta. It doesn't affect me at all because the only Pauper I play involves my battle box (which doesn't contain any of those cards), but I think the format will be better without these cards.

>>419236

>Scrying Sheets jumped up $10 nearly overnight because muh snow lands

Oh great, if it's not reprinted, then it becomes another niche deck that will only ever be played by buyfags

Where's Rishadan Port? They really should reprint those. How much of the set is left?

>>419230

>gush banned

WOTC just killed the most fun and coolest deck in Pauper: Tribe. Fuck those idiots.

>>419252

You're a bit late to the party in my opinion but they'll definitely appreciate.

It was the best set since Khans, arguably even better then.

>>419295

>Another EDH bait

Besides that I'm glad they didn't make Urza a shitwalker.

That said, I call fake because it's not a shitwalker.

>>419295

Now all they have to do is make a Yawgmoth card and my soul will then be fully soiled

>>419316

How new are you to mtg?

>>419316

>Is the card draw that important?

Are you the kind of guy who insists that taking damage from Shock/Fetch lands isn't worth it Also, to answer your question: yes

>>419316

Lands are shit cards that you don’t really want after you get the X number you need. As a result people are willing to run the tap lands that turn into (generally) shitty creatures you have to pay for each turn.

So yes, a pain land that you can ditch for (potentially) a more relevant card is very good. Even more so than the amk cycle lands, since these enter untapped, and you can cycle them later after they are already played.

Although optimally none of these will cost as much as canopy.

>>419316

hownew.ru

Anyways, rare lands have always been a staple of every format, because of the color fixing and other things they do. Let's start with a quick evaluation of lands. The big word here is tempo, tempo, tempo.

Let's say your deck is goodstuff.dec and it's 5 color. On turn 1 you need R for Lightning Bolt, turn 2, you need GB for Assassin's Trophy, turn 3, you want WUU for absorb. You'd need WUUBRG, which means a minimum of turn 6 to get just the colors you need. You can use cards like Evolving Wilds to fetch specific lands, but they ETB tapped, as a drawback. You can also use two-color lands to provide mana. Those usually ETB tapped, which fucks up your tempo. Instead, you can use painlands (which you posted) at the cost of life, you maintain your tempo.

That's well and good, but you're going to pay a lot of life eventually. Instead, you can use a combination of shocklands (2 life upfront, if you need it that turn) and checklands (great! I played a shockland last turn, now I have 3 colors on turn 2!) The big thing is that it gives you flexibility. What makes shocklands the de facto land in Modern is the ability to fetch it. You have to use the rare fetchlands, but this is good because it gives you flexibility, conditional color fixing, and it thins your deck out, making you more likely to draw firepower instead of another land when you don't want it.

Let's say that lategame, you draw a land. Shit. Cycling is helpful because you can pitch it and replace it. You replace a dead card with a new card, at the cost of 2 mana (tempo). However, Horizon Canopy (and the new lands) let's you get two colors, untapped, and replaces itself when it's a dead draw or you need to dig. It's so wonderfully flexible, I'd put it on par with the other land cycles in terms of important (fetch/shock/check).

Previously, you only had Horizon Canopy, which sits at $80 right now. You were limited in the deck you played to take advantage of it. But now anyone can use it and give decks like White Weenie or RDW more options to draw if it stalls. That's not even talking about shit like Dredge or Crucible of Worlds or anything else that might enjoy it.

Fuck, Dredge. Imagine the disgusting things you could do with LFTL+one of these things

>>419252

>>419278

>Received notification that my order was cancelled because they were out of stock

Fucking kikes

>>419341

>tries to jew

>gets jewed

>bitches about jews

>>419275

Skelemental is ridiculous. Now I'm not about to say that a harder to cast Ball Lighting is playable in the Current Year, but that thing is just obnoxious.

>>419296

>>419295

>>419297

Fuck EDH. Force of Vigor is going to be a $30 card because of those assholes. I just want to smash some Winter Orbs.

>>419344

>>419275

Oh my God someone is gonna try and Cascade into this asshole like it's Alara/Zen standard aren't they. Blightning's back, baby.

>>419345

>Modern

>Reaching turn 3

>>419344

>Jewing

It's not even that. It's investing so I can buy more cards later and get a small return on it.

>>419321

>>419322

>>419327

I'm not new, just retarded since I completely forgot that lategame is even a thing.

Thanks for the thorough explanation.

>>419371

>tokens are niggers

I laughed, good work anon. I really like the Kor, both in terms of her effect and art. It's one of the first cards I have truly enjoyed from this set.

>>419393

>It looks like a badly digitized photo, which is odd because Seb McKinnon usually does very good work.

I don't like it but honestly I'm glad it's not a kang for once.

>>419373

So you need 4 instants/sorceries after this just to break even and hope your opponent doesn't destroy it before then? Even for competent but hardly pro players that doesn't seem playable as anything but a combo piece.

>>419373

>Assemble the Legion in Standard, and that one was good enough to see fringe play in Modern a few years ago

It's in the sideboard of the all-white enchantment deck, which isn't all that bad.

>>419371

>giver of runes

Good card. Not that much worse than the mother. I mean, she's going regret that she can't target herself, but her ability to give protection from colourless is not meaningless.

>>419371

You guys think Avultar will find a home? Maybe in some token deck that ramps.

>>419403

Avultar will single-handedly make Infect a relevant deck again.

How come this and World of Darkness are pozzed to fuck and back beyond belief yet have eternal generals? is it just living a lie or sunk cost syndrome?

>>419408

The WoD threads are practically dead, years ago you'd get at least a couple posts a week. Now it's just a couple dudes who post once in a blue moon. The Final Fantasy homebrew died from a single argument. At this rate I'm seriously reconsidering CYOA policies.

>>419408

It's like watching a train wreck years in the making. You can't just look away. Occasionally WotC will print a card that slots into an EDH/Pauper/casual deck, or fuck up royally and ban cards in Standard for two years straight, or hire trannies with Twitch viewership instead of straight white men who made them the industry powerhouse they are/were.

>>419412

>At this rate I'm seriously reconsidering CYOA policies

Take your cancerous garbage over to >>>/quest/ or >>>/cyoa/, or bitch about it in the meta thread.

>>419393

The background is awful. I just meant the woman herself. I guess I was just pleased to see she wasn't a strong independent black kor...my expectations have been lowered greatly, good work Wizards. Also, The First Sliver looks like it could be a lot of fun casually. I am very pleased to see they didn't bring back the godawful predator sliver art. I wish the effects still boosted all slivers and not the ones you own or control.

>>419446

for 20th anniversary, they commissioned a bunch of art for their cycle of lords. the idea was, being an anniversary set, it would be a call back to old tribal lords. The gimmick was that they'd be lords of lords, so each one made the others stronger. Someone in R&D asked just weeks before printing "wait arent these just slivers?"

https://clips.twitch.tv/TolerantFuriousEmuBIRB

>We'll just say it right now, Counterspell is not in the set.

>Yeah, and that goes with the philosophy of us not wanting a reprint to dominate the discussion. We wanted the exciting cards to be the new cards.

Why, goy, if you were allowed to play with good cards, then you might not buy as many boxes appreciate all the diverse bad cards we're forcing you to play instead!

>>419502

While that jitte spell is weak in Modern, it would be a fantastic card in Standard. But we'll never get it

>>419491

Their communication on this set has been awful. First the big deal was that this was a direct to modern set, implying the set was oriented around modern. Now they reveal it’s a commander set with some modern relevant cards.

They made a big deal about the reprinting of old cards into modern with this set, with everyone thinking that would be the main attraction. People speculated endlessly on what powerful legacy cards would hit modern. Oh, never mind, they don’t want notable older cards to overshadow the edh bait.

>>419491

I really don't get it why Counterspell doesn't get Modern-legal.

Muh counters aren't fun isn't even relevant anymore for creature players with all the "can't be countered" shenanigans available in green now.

It would be perfect to stop planeswalkers from entering, certain combos to fire off etc.

This is the first decent set in years.

>>419513

>Prohibit

>Spore Frog

>Flusterstorm

>Crypt Rats

>Exclude

>Goblin Matron

>Regrowth

>Squirrel Nest

>MOTHER FUCKING FACT OR FICTION

I dunno what you're so upset about, I'm actually tempted to build something for Modern now.

>>419531

Why would you think that.

>>419533

Most of these kinds of cards have a "as long as x is on the battlefield" or "as long as you control x".

To me it would be logical if the effect disappeared together with Plague Engineer but with all the erratas and stuff from newer cards going on I'm not too sure.

>>419535

No they don't. The only cases where that happens are things that are not checked by state based effects i.e. control of permanents.

>>419532

>unplayable

>fringe

>fringe

>likely unplayable

>decent

>worse than E-witness

>worse than Kiki-Resto

>likely unplayable

WotC emphasized the old card reprints in this set and the effect they would have on the format. Instead, we got an EDH bait set with a bunch of restrictions for limited, and which doesn't appear as though it will have any effect on the format beyond pumping up a few fringe decks.

I like fringe decks becoming stronger, and it could be that those fringe decks change the meta such that it becomes less degenerate, but I have my doubts.

>>419535

>Most of these kinds of cards have a "as long as x is on the battlefield" or "as long as you control x".

The only time that happens is if there's a secondary object related to the card, like Gonti, Lord of Luxury. If you compare Engineer to identical creature-type-choosing cards like Cavern of Souls or Metallic Mimic, you'll see they are all templated identically.

>>419541

>>419542

>The only time that happens is if there's a secondary object related to the card, like Gonti, Lord of Luxury.

I checked and now I understand, thanks for the clarification.

>>419565

If the divination part was replaced with some sort of bounce or tap effect, maybe the card would be worth a damn. It might have been a neat mini cryptic.

As it is, you run it because you think the steal portion might be relevant, but I doubt that part is consistently good enough to bother.

>>419542

At the very least, nu-mom will see lots of play. Wish they'd added Rishadan Port for mono white, as well.

>Worked late so no FNM tonight

>Still stopped by the shop and bought a pack

>Silent Submersible

Anyways, next week I'm probably doing budget UBR Control. Saw a GB self mill and a monoblue Jace self mill deck. The Jace one was doing well with Quasiduplicate on the Wall of Lost Dreams, with occasionally hitting Creeping Chills

>>419502

>Pay 2 mana

>Get 2 life at instant speed

Because Modern just isn't ready for the awesome power of Healing Salve

>>419574

Just play Legacy dude.

>>419565

I like it. It's expensive, but pretty cool.

>>419591

>Just play Legacy dude.

Sorry I don't want to spend half an arm on MtG.

>>419597

The legacy deck I ran awhile back only cost about $350 to build, and could easily beat tons of decks that were 2-3 times more expensive.

>>419599

I think €300 is a lot and I just play kitchentable. Doesn't mean that I can't recognize some problems with the Modern format though.

>>419567

>>419565

Honestly, I think it's a solid card and that it will probably see some play. WotC has been very adamant that they want to print expensive cards with upside rather than efficient cards, and this is about as close to counterspell as you can get with that design philosophy. I'm just glad they avoided repeating the mistakes of the DTK command cycle, where half the abilities were useless chaff you would only consider using in corner cases.

>>419574

>Are the other Sword cards played in Modern these days?

There are some gimmicky red decks that play Magus of the Moon and put a sword on him, but they aren't really played due to the lack of efficient tutors. Just having a random sword swimming around in your deck isn't good enough.

>>419611

>Honestly, I think it's a solid card and that it will probably see some play

Unless there are 1CMC permanents that will be relevant in Modern it's either a strictly worse Divination or a strictly worse Dissolve.

>There are some gimmicky red decks that play Magus of the Moon and put a sword on him, but they aren't really played due to the lack of efficient tutors

Always wondered why despite the lack of play they get their prices are so high.

>>419611

>WotC has been very adamant that they want to print expensive cards with upside rather than efficient cards

Forgot to add but if they really wanted to make expensive cards with an upside the card would read "choose one or more" or at the least "choose up to two" instead of "choose one".

>>419616

>Divination

Can't be cast at instant speed.

>Dissolve

Can't be used to draw cards. Obviously it's worse than either individual card, but the whole point of a charm is that it combines different modes.

>>419617

>choose two

You can't seriously be dumb enough to think that Counterspell + Divination wouldn't be broken.

>>419618

>You can't seriously be dumb enough to think that Counterspell + Divination wouldn't be broken.

Probably is, then again a regular counterspell for UUU is ridiculously bad.

>>419618

>Counterspell + divination

Imagine if it said "Choose up to 2: Counter target spell, draw a card, gain control of target nonland permanent with CMC 1 or less"

That seems very reasonable to me, certainly worth the UUU cost.

The existing version sucks because you have the "flexibility" between two bad options, and one situational option, at an extremely limiting color cost.

>>419616

>Always wondered why despite the lack of play they get their prices are so high.

They're playable in Legacy with Stoneforge, but you only ever play 1-of Fire and Ice and maybe a War and Peace out of the board. The real reason is EDH. Fuck EDH.

>>419624

>That seems very reasonable to me, certainly worth the UUU cost.

That does seem worth it, but they probably didn't want to print a command-like card, given that it would be directly competing with Cryptic Command.

>limiting colour cost

I don't think it's that big a deal in Modern due to the good mana fixing. At most, it'll just encourage control shells to move towards Ux instead of three-colour, which is already the case due to UW being better than Jeskai and Grixis by a considerable margin.

>>419627

>maybe a War and Peace out of the board

I think the only other sword D&T/Stoneblade decks conside playing is Light and Shadow for creature recursion, and even then it's fringe. Fire and Ice has been the only playable one for the better part of the last decade.

>>419654

The blue charm will likely see some Legacy play in Miracles as a 1-of.

>>419616

>Always wondered why despite the lack of play they get their prices are so high

It's EDH. It's driving the prices for a lot of cards. It doesn't help that the format is insanely popular and there aren't enough cards to go around.

>>419651

Most of the swords are utter trash with feast and famine, and fire and ice being good in edh.

>>419565

UUU is terrible and you only get to chose 1 mode too. 3CMC and below would have at least hit ensnaring bridge. Letting it hit all permanents would have let it steal tron lands as well. A lot of these cards seem like they were made for standard and edh. MH has too much hype behind it to fail, but I'm curious how long this can last for wotc.

>>419574

They're popular in edh. They also work well in edh, because you're generally always facing at least two other players and games are usually much slower as a result.

>>419600

>Add W to your mana pool for each enchantment you control.

She wishes she had sanctum's ability. Her first ability is trash and so is her card in general. Her plus should have created blockers and her minus should have been sanctum, and her ult is fine. Having said that, Urza does look pretty interesting.

>>419502

>slivers

>best tribal deck in modern

That's strange because slivers don't have any form of disruption on par with the only two viable tribal decks (humans and spirits) right now. Also that mox is hot shit and completely unplayable.

>>419565

The only deck I could see this being played in is monoU Merfolk, and Merfolk is garbage right now anyways so this doesn't change anything.

Also the new force is another case of Wizards being too afraid to print a solid catch all answer to the degenerate format that is modern in its entirety. FoW is good because it ranges from

>Win a game by stopping a degenerate combo deck from winning t1/t2

To

<2 for 1 yourself by countering something from a fair creature deck like maverick or DnT

While the new force is...

>Maybe win a game by stopping only noncreature spells and only on the opponents turn

To

<Being stone unplayable in many matchups

If anything, I think Force of Negation will end up like Pact of Negation, where on the surface a clueless player might think it helps against unfair decks, but it turns out that the unfair decks make the best use of it. But as a whole it's too weak, especially in a format without a wealth of good cantrips like brainstorm, ponder, and preordain.

This set looks more like EDH fodder than an actual modern set.

>>419600

Umezawa's Charm would be playable if it was Choose Two, and you could choose the same mode twice. That would ACTUALLY make it like a hit from a jitte. As is, it's only half of a jitte swing.

>>419697

>This set looks more like EDH fodder than an actual modern set.

I actually realized this once the mythic tribal legendaries were revealed.

Sure I was still in denial but come on that changeling mythic is EDH bait if they ever printed one.

>>419708

It feels like they also tried to put it in as a "please play this in sliver decks in modern" while still technically being playable in every deck, but it's so poorly done. Bears still won't be a thing but it's candy for EDH players, and most of the cards that aren't reprints but are "fixed" versions aren't good enough to be playable. Force, Giver of Runes, Flusterstorm...none of these are going to be particularly good in modern. I also find it hilarious that they decided to include diabolic edict in this set when they literally printed a strictly better version of it in the LAST FUCKING SET and everybody has moved over to playing liliana's triumph over edict.

Personally, I think if there's an underrated card in the set, it's orcish hellraiser. I'm not saying it's incredible but it's certainly got potential to see some action in burn.

>swords are 80$

>Urza is 60

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/index/MH1#paper

Preorder prices but holy shit WHY

>>419718

People are really stupid with their money and hype. Mtgfinance is currently full of shills who are pushing garbage specs as well. I'd say spikes has largely kept its cool and is able to tell the decent cards from the hyped shit. Give it a month or two for the prices to tank on a lot of these cards. The only ones that will likely keep their price points are the edh cards and especially Urza.

>>419719

Is Urza actually playable? Someone mentioned a few combos with it.

>The only ones that will likely keep their price points are the edh cards

So all of them? :^)

>>419721

I'm upset it doesn't have any kind of colorshifting mechanic on it.

>>419722

What if he added rainbow mana?

>>419760

For fuck sake. You know what? I can live with these prints of Urza and Yawgmoth for one reason: they printed incarnations of them at the pre-unstoppable force phases of their lives. That is clearly Urza during the brothers war, and this is Yawgmoth before he even knew what Phyrexia is. This is as close as they can get to committing the unforgivable sin of printing post spark Urza or post Phyrexia Yawgmoth without actually doing it.

>>419783

>r/g hatebears

WG, not RG. The closest thing to a red hatebear I can think of is Harsh Mentor, and that conflicts with the Ouphe.

Look forward to this card forever being referred to as "big oof" by redditards.

>>419779

There is already an Urza planeswalker card.

>>419790

That was a marketing gimmick. It's not meant to be anything more than a one-off gimmick to sell packs or make a limited game more fun.

>>419790

Are you talking about the Unstable card? That clearly doesn't count for anything.

>>419833

>Agree that PW Uzra & Yawg will never meet fan-expectation, so a pre-PW version is fine by me.

Or they could start printing interesting PW cards like they did with the original Jaya, namely a regular legendary creature with different abilities.

Of course that would never happen again.

>>419878

>Afford snow plains

>Haha, you got them in every Coldsnap booster, how much could they c--

>$1 each

Fucking hell

>>419882

With all of the snowshit they're including in this I would hope that snow land prices go down. Just the price of getting a manabase down has kept me even thinking of using snow cards.

>all these returning mechanics

>lots of cool, powerful cards in every color

>complete lack of "skill testing" limited chaff

What the fuck is going on. It's almost like this set is being made by people who actually like magic

>>419900

>>419896

>>419876

Pushing Snow as a way to reward basic-heavy manabases is the best move WotC has made in years. Any mechanic that rewards building something besides 3c goodstuff.dec is a win in my book.

>>419914

>Echo of Eons

So it's like Time Spiral, but without the untap, and a flashback cost of Timetwister? Neat

>>419921

You know what the worst thing is?

The set code is MH1. This means that they're planning to do another one in the future, and likely also at a premium price. Fuck them.

>>419923

Didn't know that but I already guessed...no, I already KNEW they'd be doing this yearly from now on.

Think about it, this is THE way for them to capitalize on the Modern market all the while they're presenting it as a premium product.

Honestly from a marketing perspective it's brilliant.

Not sure what to play this week. Thinking UBR control (Enter the God Eternals, Legion Warboss, Lava Coil, and Thought Erasure as a core) or some kind of shitty BRG stuff with Legion Warboss, Dreadhorde Arcanist/Butcher, thud, and Pollenbright Druid

>>419914

It's going to be sweet. We just need a red wheel in modern and I'll be happy.

>>419962

>wizard tribal

It looks fun and it was fun with feather to bring back spells. I really do wish she would bring back every spell that was casted that targeted a creature that you control rather than spells that resolve. I so wish feather had haste or a 5 ass at least. Dreadhorde Arcanist is nice, but little teferri completely shuts him down.

>>420001

The difference is that you can't cheat it out with Vampire Hexmage like you could Dark Depths.

>>420003

Or Solemnity, but does it mean that this one is can't be easily played?

Sure, not as easy as with Solemnity/Vampire Hexmage but dang 4x Growth Spiral, 4x Kodama's Reach and 4x Cultivate for those snow land permanents and you're set.

I also got a feeling there's a snow mana dork incoming.

>>420004

Snow is not a creature type but a supertype, so no.

Anyone else feel like a megajew when they trade?

>Well, you're coming to me for a trade, so I value my stuff higher than posted

>Hinterland Harbour? That's $6.35, er, I mean $7.00

>Okay well we're dealing in Canadian dollars so it's more like $9.38 each, which gets rounded up to $9.50, say

>So that's $28.50 for 3, let's say an even $28

>Do the same when trading for their cards but in reverse, or else get cash instead

>Pick out cards that are highly tradeable, whether or not they're valuable

>Just sit back and profit off every trade, doesn't matter if it's a valuable card or not, because every trade is a win

>>420034

It's useful in esper superfriends, as you'd have a field full of planeswalkers. It can kill chainwhirler and lots of other planeswalkers too. It helps against rdw as well.

>>420023

Kind of what i imagined, but then also tapping for snow mana for extra flavour.

>>420030

>There's a format where this can thrive, though, one ripe with a lot of extra turn effects and large board states. Two guesses where that is.

Oh yeah, I forgot that that was still a thing, even when I (and everybody else) lost to that deck two weeks back at Standard Showdown.

>>420004

Stop being retarded.

>>420001

You too. If you can't see the difference between a 2-card combo and 5 turns worth of resolved spells then 8 don't know what the fuck to tell you.

>>420030

>1R seems decent for repeatable removal until you realize that it's a fuckin' Sorcery instead of an instant.

Of course it has a drawback, it's fucking repeatable removal.

>>420046

It ain't legal in Standard. I think he's bitching about EDH for some some reason

>>420059

>It ain't legal in Standard

I got a small Vietnam flashback from the Nexus of Fate deck I had to play against when I read "lot of extra turns".

Probably still doable when you put it into this deck and play it as Modern.

>>420090

>What am i being tempted by

Bad cards in this awful overpriced set. "as a sorcery" and "target X you control" are standard tier sterilized cards

Is it worth it to get a box of Modern Horizons and sit on it for a few years? I missed the chance with Dominaria (at least for now, maybe I'll get a few cheap after post rotation). Goldfish is pegging the box price at $208 US, with a value of $794, which is obviously inflated for hype. Commons are listed at a fucking dollar.

If you adjust for the price of the commons and divide the entire value by 4, then the it becomes $198.50, which is "about" even, or a slight loss per box. Thus, since it's a limited product, it will eventually go up, and they're unlikely to reprint cards from MH1 for some time.

>>420194

>Is it worth it to get a box of Modern Horizons and sit on it for a few years?

Let's see: over-hyped set, premium pricing, EDH bait in mythic slot, NOT!FoW, NOT!Counterspell, decent amount of good rares and mythics in my opinion, very nice land cycle, print-to-demand combined with general overprinting as always since RTR.

No.

>I missed the chance with Dominaria

Be glad, the prices have already tanked and they're due for rotation Q4 2019.

No matter how much I liked the set and how many nice cards it had, it's overprinted and lots of the good cards are at common and uncommon rarity.

If you really want some boxes of these wait for the rotation to happen, the prices will tank even more then before going up again but don't expect much money to be made unless you go full Creepy Rudy and buy a pallet.

>Commons are listed at a fucking dollar.

I will guarantee you already, once the set gets released, boxes opened en masse and the next Modern Pro Tour or Grand Prix happens most of these prices will drop harder than a Bas Rutten bodyslam.

Most of these aren't Modern -warping for all I can see, and a few will spike after the Modern tournament but the rest will drop.

>>420194

>Is it worth it to get a box of Modern Horizons and sit on it for a few years?

No. The prices are already crashing and the set hasn't released yet. The hype is deflating and I wouldn't put any stock in this set. MH2 may be good if WotC sees this set as a failure and puts more power into it. I've read that the distribution price is in the $160s, so if the price continues to fall, that might be a good price to pick it up at. However, I would not pay over $200 on this set. The new cards aren't good enough and the reprints were shit.

MH1 has premium prices...fffffff

>>420090

I wonder if Winding way is good in amulet Titan. Half the deck is lands, and 2 mana to draw 2 lands isn't bad.

>>419914

>6 mana

Not close to playable. Day's undoing is much better.

>>420230

If you get it into your graveyard it becomes 3CMC instead.