/rwby/ - RWBY

RNJR will get tricked by Salem's goons and Prof. Lionheart but Ruby will use her silver eye powers to take them all out and get the relic, which will give her even more powers or something equally as stupid.

Someone needs to make a new bingo board. We almost got Season 4: bingoes would have been had on "Renora Kiss", "Juane activates his semblance", or "Adam takes off his mask". I am hoping on the latter two, any episode now.

Though, the final one will probably happen when the One-armed Badass and Depression Kitty get revenge, and that may be put off a season. As I think about it, it may be put off until the finale. The upset I hope for, but won't happen, is that Weiss offs Adam in a gambit for a hostile takeover of Schnee Dust Company. Is there a better way to show the shareholders and board that you have the Company's interests at heart?

>I think we'll see Penny, or a "sister" of her's, join Ironwood's MAGA fight.

>Raven will attack…something, and Ruby and/or Yang will fight her (Mostly likely Yang).

>Weiss may decide to find Neptune.

>Salem will do fuck all, again. She really hasn't done anything except talk, look disappointed, and just mess everyone.

>Yang has a brief reminder that she has PTSD, that she swiftly forgets.

>Blake will end up with Yang (All the signs are there). If it doesn't happen this season, then one of the future seasons.

That's all my crystal ball can muster at the moment.

>>34439

-Pyhrra returns

-random foreshadowing

-wor videos aren't relevant to the plot in any way

>>34446

One more suggestion…

>The McGuffins replace the maidens

>no "show don't tell" in writing

>>34435

>Blake will end up with Yang (All the signs are there). If it doesn't happen this season, then one of the future seasons.

NO FUCK YOU, I WILL FUCKING MURDER MILES AND KERRY FOR WRITING IT, BURNIE FOR ENCOURAGING THIS FILTH, YOU FOR JINXING IT, AND EVERYONE ELSE TO MAKE ABSOLUTE SURE NOBODY BRINGS IT BACK, EXCEPT SHANE UNLESS HE APPROVES OF IT, IN WHICH CASE I'LL ASK HIM TO GIVE MONTY MY REGARDS BEFORE I GO NOTHIN PERSONNEL ON THAT COCKSUCKER

I agree they'll do the lesbo relationship for fan-pandering & virtue signalling, and everyone good in the series will just roll with it (maybe a brief initial shock for comedic effect). I'd like to see it one-sided for once. A gay character falling hard for a straight character, and all the mess that follows. It'd be fascinating, and it gets a rise out of the audience- which is all the writers care about now

I'm willing to bet on (if not this season than the next):

> Season 5 takes a break and we get another season of RWBY Chibi. The animators can spend more time learning how to do their job, and the writers can think of the most "shocking" bullshit they can muster and tie it together, and look up more false stories about Trump to add to their story in a non-subtle way carefully consider their next step.

> Flying Monkey Grimm.

> While nothing happens, Ruby still gets the most plot and screentime. The other girls get their fractions of a story- though what happens on paper most might be with other girls, Ruby's will feel the least boring.

> Lionheart aids Salem by aiding in causing chaos/covering up who does it so the relic/maiden powers are easier to steal (as oppose to just sneaking the relic out as he's the only one who knows it exists & it's location).

> Adam is seen, but flees as the White Fang falls. You'll get a fight, but not the big fight.

> Just as Blake takes over the White Fang, they're false flagged (by human "extremists" or Adam's sect). Somehow news of this spreads quickly to the world.

> Blake's Dad or even Mom dies. This cements them as against extremist Faunus. Or, humans trying to stop the "White Fang uprising" kill them thinking they're Adam's Sect- causing the other parent to become more agreeable to Adam's ideals (despite the logic that betrays).

> The Faunus slave mine owner works with Adam's sect. Adam has "disagreeable" Faunus shipped off to the mines so only those who follow him remain. Likewise the mine funds/supplies Adam's crew so people hate Faunus and no one complains/digs deeply into the slave accusations. To prevent the audience calling out how illogical this is; they'll hate each other and be planning to betray the other.

> Weiss is shocked at how poor poor-people are. Atlus isn't a booming technological utopia, but a harsh class divide dystopia. Despite what WoR vids showed us.

> Ironwood will be portrayed as desperate and sympathetic. RTs idea of being "neutral" will to claim that even good people can be driven to evil (looking after your own nation) thanks to outside events kicking up paranoia (legitimate concerns- whether it's Salem or a third-party underling she manipulates). He'll have his doubts. Maybe even Penny 2.0 will ask questions until Ironwood sees a flaw in his logic and frustratedly tries to dismiss it.

> Not to mention their neutrality and subtly will wain as more Fake News stories come out about Trump and illegals. Though I could be wrong. RT is a business first and foremost. Even Marvel Comics is stepping back from politics. I can see Burnie demanding a veto on it in any "big" production, while smaller podcasts and shows can get away with it.

> Ironwood will fight Weiss. After the fight and a speech by Weiss this makes Ironwood see the light (but having doubts all along) and he orders the gates to be open. ("That'll show those Alt-Right freaks! We'll build up Ironwood as a hero to them, then have him convert to our side! Being neutral is easier than we thought.")

> Jacque dies/is indisposed, Watley takes over Schnee Dust Company. He throws his weight around far more liberally than Jacque did- perhaps even overriding Ironwood's order to open the gate, or ordering deportation for people on paper-thin terms (because then that means all deportation IRL is illegitimate).

> References to season 1 and 2. Yang runs into Junior and his girls, reference to past lines like "Queen of the castle" or "Break his legs".

I also agree with other theories posted here.

>>34452

>what his legacy will stagnate to

With the kind of person Monty was, as long as there are people working tirelessly to make things because of him, his legacy hasn't stagnated. RWBY might have been his magnum opus, but it won't be his ultimate legacy.

>>34455

What do these digits mean?

>>34457

Kek has spoken

YANG LIKES BOYS

>>34458

But, that doesn't account for what they'll do with Blake. I guess that means they'll either have her do what this anon is talking about:

>>34454

>I'd like to see it one-sided for once. A gay character falling hard for a straight character, and all the mess that follows. It'd be fascinating, and it gets a rise out of the audience- which is all the writers care about now

Or, they go for the Checkmate shipping.

>>34454

>Burnie vetoing

This is the same cuck that went on Chris Hardwick's circlejerk posed as a "comedy" game show and made a mansplaining joke. He'd be plotting the firing of anyone who DIDN'T want to go with it!

>>34457

It confirms that if Bumbleby is canon, that anon and I go The Mercenaries on those fuckers.

IN THE NAME OF BEST GIRL

>>34455

>>34460

>>34454

>>34452

>>34460

they don't get to fuck with best waifu and get away with it.

>Wheatley aggressively takes over the Dust Company from his father and turns the evil up to an eleven, Winter returns asking where Weiss is before promptly being exiled from Atlas for asking too many questions

>Qrow talks to Lionheart and figures something is off

>a plan orchestrated by Dr Watts causes at least half of RNJR or Qrow to get knocked out of comission

>the gap in RNJR is either filled up by Oscar or a new kid from Mistral once Ruby reunites with Yang and Weiss

>Menagerie gets fucked over by Schnee Dust Company in some way, which the White Fang uses to rile up the faunus to join their cause

>dadcat or momcat are either killed for trying to talk some sense into everyone (by Adam?) as Blake and Sun run away again to Mistral

>Cinder comes to town and fucks up Ruby despite her silver eyes, who gets probably saved by someone else

>Yang acts like the wiser older sister for once

>Atlas goes full MAGA as Ironwood goes full Trump or either gets disillusioned with Atlas and quits

>there will probably be some fights between the gang and the Mistral students

>Oscar/Ozpin's presence strikes fear or anger into Cinder's heart

>some massive Fall of Haven level drama gets set up in Mistral

>>34439

Don't forget "Alternate costume worn for at most 2 episodes"

>>34475

>>34477

"WAR IS PEACE. FREEDOM IS SLAVERY. IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH."

I think that Orwell was right. Liberals talk about the "inclusivity" of their beliefs, but that inclusiveness is exclusive of other beliefs. They are inclusive of others in so much as those others have good think (liberal values) or good skin color (ie not white). And it's really not about justice: it's about power.

The only reason that season's one to (for a part) three were good was because the creative direction was driven by a non-white person whose non-whiteness made all of his "problematic" views acceptable to liberals. Now that only white people are doing the creative direction, that direction must follow the ideology of the white man's burden. The show must now be a beacon of progressive values from its progressive creators because it is the white man's burden to be the exemplars of progressive values.

In a way, this has some business sense. The target audience is the tumbler crowd: the kind of people who ACTUALLY PAY FOR SHIT. These are also the people who would tear the crew apart for the show's "hyper-masculine" (other feminist bullshit terms) focus. In their world, being "woke", that is, paying lip service to their value set, is more important than actually believing in their values. Most of these people live in middle-class white's-only neighborhoods, and their definition of diversity is the closeness of slums where they can drive to get "ethnic" food. All of the values they uphold don't effect them on a personal level, and they don't actually financially support any those causes. The closest they come is buying trivial garbage that they can claim supports a cause. If RWBY is reduced to SJW/Progressive propaganda, these entitled liberal cunts will buy up RWBY merchandise like cocaine to show their liberal peers how much they supposedly care about the progressive values that the show displays.

So, to get back to

> Why do they do this? Why must they infest our beloved media with their bullshit ideologies?

They actually believe that this garbage should be entertaining. They have convinced themselves that liberal propaganda is the only form of entertainment that should be entertaining to people and that anyone who disagrees should be sent to a FEMA camp for reeducation. Their "inclusive" beliefs are exclusive of other value systems, unless the person advocating those values is not white.

Their values demand that propaganda is the only form of entertainment.

>>34482

>Can we start making our own content? Even just for fun?

Nothing is preventing you from doing that already. However, there is a big difference between "Doing things for fun" and "Taking things seriously".

>>34485

I've always wanted to make content but in terms of drawing or animating I have no real talent. It'd have to be for fun, I can't take my crappy drawings too seriously.

>>34483

Actually me too, I outlined it a little in the Original character thread. I wish I had more ability to produce. I'm trying to whip up some concepts but I'm limited. I bought some drawing books to better my ability though.

it's like hotline miami, metal gear, LoGH, halo, rwby, and a bunch of other shit mashed into one, synthwave, supersoldiers, political mystery, espionage, cool futuristic military tech, lots of shooting

>>34504

The OC thread is right around the corner and needs some love, fam.

>>34505

I'm not writing a RWBY fanfic or anything, but sure. I guess I could talk about my busty redhead there.

>>34504

Sounds interesting anon, keep it up. The more we work at it, the better it'll get. were all gonna make it brah

>>34503

>CYOAFags

Sure they did head back to 4/trash/, and I technically participate in it. Yet I was attending to these threads to keep the conversation going like a general discussion.

>80s Future Fash

That would be really neato.

>>34517

Saging for samefagging.

Since the fags already archived the CYOA stuff, is it a good time to remove or hide the remnants of these threads?

>>34518

Well it's gone now.

So when's Vol. 5 coming out? I'm in RWBY withdrawal now that I can't shit on new material anymore on a weekly basis.

>>34537

well you have Camp Camp 2 and Chibi 2 coming out soon.

to that one anon who converts vids to webm, can you make this a webm?

>tfw the fight scenes will never improve

>>34567

>I think RT trying jew more people into their website.

That was their plan all along. Burnie used to say that Youtube is their opposition. Now they're much more friendly, but they hold content on their site to bring people there.

so to bring this thread to a much more optimistic tone: What do you think RT will get right with Volume 5?

>Leaked footage of a V5 fight scene

:^)

>>34574

On some levels, this is better than anything in V4.

>>34570

>Is anyone working at RT an actual Jew, other than Barbara?

Don't look. The truth is worse than you could imagine.

The Jew and the Rooster Are One

https://archive.is/cLTqY

>>34574

Say what you want, some of the shit in there is pretty cool and as a consequence infinitely superior to anything shown in V4. At least there's constant action, as opposed to V4's compilation of reaction shots and RPG-esque standing around waiting to make your move.

>>34574

A lot of that reminds me of that bollywood rip off of that Bruce Willis movie, where he doges a flipping car and pulls a guy out before it becomes scrap metal.

>>34582

There were more action scenes better than RWBY…

Hell, even a bootleg Turkish movie makes better fight scenes than Post Monty RWBY. It's more of a game of Compare, and Contrast.

>>34583

Y'know I was looking for more Bollywood movies that has action sequences. Yet I cannot recall that one movie.

>>34589

He lets his hangover kick in a little. The pain turns him into a crow.

Yes, a little. The collective hangover would kill him all at once, kinda like like Archer.

>>34611

Seems pretty obvious to me. She got passed up for something important in favor of Burnie's bitch. Women gonna bitch, what can you do?

>>34510

I kind of want more of this, is there any?

Thinking of trying my hand at a Metroidvania/Classicvania

>>34616

I dunno, for some reason that mix was giving me a vampire killer vibe

>>34611

>>34613

If she's been with the company since the start, then she's seen the bad business practices and brown nosing. And confirming Shane's letter alone should have gotten her booted, or at least put on a shit list.

Hell, maybe she just got news she's not in the next season (or even conformation she's been replaced). I can't agree how she's said it, but it seems the sunny smiling faces at RT are gonna crash down hard in the future.

Here's hoping someone buys out RWBY and does it justice.

>>34621

Joel is in the same boat as Gavin & Geoff- and some of the Achievement Hunter team.

They can get away with damn-near anything since the audience loves them, but they'll get slapped on the wrist for everything.

Christ, Joel turned up on their gameshow high as fuck once.

>>34622

True, but How much BS does Joel have to shovel each day? How much Virtue and Status signaling does he have to put up with?

He can get away with anything, but you DAMN well know that tolerance doesn't extend to any Conservative point of view in the Rooster Teeth community. All that's needed is just one inkling of wrong think, and you know he's on the shit list.

>>34619

Change Ren to having a completely stoic expression and saying '…' and it's accurate.

>>34608

All in favor of finding the cunt who posted this, shoving a hundred razor blade up its ass, and/or giving Kathleen a hug, say I.

>>34621

Joel has always been into economics and politics, he gets a by because he's always been crazy and frankly objective.

Eyyy it's ​back up.

How you fags doing?

>>35024

Good

>>35024

about time it's up

I'm doing good. Truthfully, I just can't really tell what Volume 5 is going to do. The main reason for this is because Volume 4 ended badly, in a sense.There's no real way to speculate.

Everyone's going to meet up together. There's nothing really special about that. maybe Yang/Blake drama, but that's about it. Honestly, I'm more interested into the Villain's side of the story.

>>35028

Is Blake going to meet up with the rest of RWBY? From what I remember, she's staying in Menagerie to deal with the White Fang and is pretty far removed from the rest of the story. If she meets up with the rest, it may not be until the end of the Volume, or maybe at the beginning of V6.

>>35029

Didn't they also say that all the "Good" White Fang Lieutenants are in Mistral and that the "Bad" ones want to assassinate them?

>>35031

I don't remember. Somebody on halfchan said something along those lines as well, that's why I didn't say it was an absolute certainty.

>>35032

Like I said, everyone's meeting up together. It's by chance, but still.

I just can't really speculate anything else. Everyone else is a non-factor. It's not like Volume 3's ending, which allowed a lot of speculation. Even the villains are too bland and generic for speculation.

>>35033

I wouldn't say that about all the villains. A lot of the new villains, yes, but Salem has quite a bit of mystery about her. There's also a lot of speculation about Mercury and Emerald many people think one of them will turn good. I'm not convinced .

There's a ton of speculation to be had about Oscar, and what the heck is going on with him and what his role will be in V5 .

And I think RWBY/RNJR's actions can be speculated to *some* degree, but I agree that there isn't as much room for speculating in that area.

>>35043

I could see Emerald turning good out of fear for what might happen to her after everything is said and done, but Mercury seems like he enjoys working for Cinder too much to leave.

>And I think RWBY/RNJR's actions can be speculated to *some* degree, but I agree that there isn't as much room for speculating in that area.

I'm betting they'll do nothing of real importance for most of the volume until they're forced to fight the headmaster of the school and that moustachioed henchman of Salem's.

>>35058

I would agree. Emerald is the only one who might switch sides, and even then it would probably be out of self-interest.

>>35059

See, I just don't know if Emerald will defect. She seems to almost worship Cinder. The only reason why Merc joined was because he literally had no where else to go. As soon as shit starts getting too weird for him, he'll jump off the train. Not exactly betray Cinder/Salem, but just fucks off.

>>35090

>It pisses me off how one-dimensional the villains were made to be

Not only Villains, but the main and secondary character Protags as well. The joke about Jaune being the real protagonist of RWBY wasn't far off from the truth.

Maybe another bingo suggestion for V5 will be quiet retconning, or inconsistent lore. Maybe a predictable plotline.

>>35089

>>35090

The best possible outcome would have been Torchwick and Mercury deciding that shit was hella gay, and fucking off to start their own cool-kids-only club of chaotic neutral punch clock villains, with its own subplot.

>>35089

Maybe, but she didn't exactly seem all that thrilled with Salem.

>>35113

That would be amazing.

>>35291

So 9S?

>>35291

Well, for one we don't know how much Ruby can take mentally. For all I know, I would believe her breaking point is if Yang or Qrow dies.

>>35296

REMNANT CONFIRMED FOR KINGDOM HEARTS III

>>35298

The power scale is about right, though RWBY is more reserved about handing out its toys. The weapons are more nuts, and the melee/ranged more competent by a pretty wide margin, but KH hands out magic like it's candy. RWBY fighters backed up with KH magic would be unstoppable outside of an orbital strike.

Just imagine a RWBY fight peppered with -ga spell spam, and when either combatant's aura drops they just pop a Curaga and it's like the fight starts over at full power right there.

Then again, it would also take away some of the character-focused nature of RWBY if everyone had magic. One semblance per character is kind of core in how characters' styles are set up, and nobody cares about your super speed when everyone, even the melee bruisers, can cast Stop.

>>35291

I'm a bit surprised she hasn't already started to be jaded.

I'm thinking they're going to show it off during volume 5 a little bit but who knows.

Oh, while I'm here, I predict (I know it wont happen) that Roman will activate his semblance which is a "Cheat death once" to bullshit his way back to life.

And I honestly would not even mind if it meant Roman would be back.

Well, what I predicted has started. I called it when I noticed that all the Schnee women are victims or outcasts and all the men are sociopathic power-hungry villains. The full version of This Life is Mine calls out the patriarchy. By name.

>>35334

W-wait, wasn't she in line to inherent the atlas company?

Just like the IRL patriarchy, the patriarchy of Atlas fails to suppress women even at the highest level.

I was super expecting this song to be a celebration of the Snchee who started the company with the first expedition of dust (I.E. This life of MINE), but I guess we can't have nice things.

>>35335

As an aside, (This really deserves this own post) I'm a person whose writing a story myself, and when you're having to write multiple societies (Especially when doing it in the interstellar level like I'm doing it) You can't really have too much stable, good honest capitalist democracies. And, if a said writer seems to perceive a real life societal force that affects them, they're dozens of times more likely to write about it than any other source.

Hell, I'm doing the same thing in my story, with communist zombies, with a supernatural commodity that simply isn't enough for everyone, along with drugs (but recreational and medical) being passed around like crazy in a completely dead and barren planet.

But, it ends there. There is no other mention of any communist ideals outside of that context. It simply doesnt exist because it doesn't need to exist. It's an examination of a society within set conditions and letting the reader ponder on it themselves, and I desperately hope that's what they're doing here, they didn't call it out by name per se, but rather the lyric was a description (I.E. Patriarchal prison) which I'm sort of willing to have some leeway but not really oh god I hope they don't turn the show political.

>TL;DR - I hope It isn't completely politically motivated in pushing a message, but rather an examination of what a patriarchy could possibly lead to.

>>35334

>>35335

>>35336

>Nothing actually happened in volume 4, or if it did happen, rushed faster than a rabbit on crack

>Ironwood is Not!Trump

>Song about patriarchy

Wew lads. Volume 5's going to be a shit show.

>>35334

>all the Schnee women are victims or outcasts and all the men are sociopathic power-hungry villains.

The only thing that can save this is Weiss's mom turning out to be worse than all of them. But she won't, of course.

>>35339

>>35337

>>35334

It's RT, so that does blur it, but you have to keep in mind that the word "patriarchal" does not need to imply "the patriarchy" in the sense that leftycucks use it. Since she's talking specifically about her father, the word "patriarchal" would actually be the correct word in the context. You could substitute "paternal" or "fatherly" or something else, but those words tend to have a positive connotation, while they were obviously looking for something that didn't have "father".

On that note, going through the songs, the soundtrack this season seems to be better than Vol3 was, on the whole. But that one was pretty disappointing. It's still nowhere near reaching Vol1 standards again, but I'm guessing that's partly because Jeff Williams was given a hell of a lot more creative freedom by Monty than these chucklefucks, and had a lot more time.

>>35342

nvmd just found BMBLMB, Monty is rolling in his grave

>All Soundtrack Song even from volume one are heavy in plot or spoilers

>Me when I see this song

>>35346

Please don't let this be implying what I think it's implying.

>>35350

>Remember that Jaune/Pyrrha got two songs in the same season. It was for a ruse, but it still shows they're not above ship pandering without intending to follow through.

Was that during season 1/2 when Monty was alive and possibly very realistically planned for that?

It's amazing that something as shit as Grimm Eclipse produced this song. It's really the standout track out of this last bunch, and makes Dr.Merlot sound like a more interesting albeit still somewhat cliche villain than Team Evil.

>>35351

I think Pyrrha being dead was always planned. Remember that Vol2/Vol3 were originally meant to be one story - that was why Pyrrha had the whole "autumn" thing going on in the Vol2 OP.

I'm still half convinced that the "silver eyes" thing was made up by RT, and was supposed to be a sign that Ruby had inherited Maiden powers from her mother; hence her rose petals.

>>35354

>Lusus Naturae

How does randomly switching to latin words sound so good at times? It's completely edgy as hell but I love it!

>>35355

It's the same reason that so many Japanese songs randomly have English words show up in them, I imagine - it just comes across as different. In the case of this song, it also sells it stronger as something from a "western anime", for that very reason.

But if only the show as good….

>>35355

It's mysterious, I guess. It implies esoteric knowledge, maybe? It's an ancient language of science and theology only a select few speak after all.

>>35362

Probably more to do with RvB being done mostly by the founding fathers (Geoff, etc) who are just happy to fuck-about when together. Some when on their own are badly influenced however (Burnie and Gus).

But yeah, writing team 99% of the time is people with a heavy bias thanks to the area (Austin). They occasionally make cracks like this so for shock value or even mock the most extreme SJW (A to get people off their back and B to distance themselves from those who do the shit their ideology dictates).

Not that I'd want RWBY written by old-school RT either.

>>35363

I'm more shocked they hadn't seen a Trump AoT parody yet.

Looking at other stuff Miles works on, he keep his politics out of it (Camp Camp Which I find funny has a kid whose a blatant expy of Hitler for obvious gags- but otherwise 0 politics). So I'd argue he's a low-tier SJW.

He can keep his mouth shut if it'd hurt him (financially or reputation-wise), and unless coaxed won't escalate into killing dogs of "fascists" by leaving around razorblades & kibble.

Problem is- even if Miles ran RWBY into the ground- it doesn't matter to him. He still has a job at RT, he thinks they'd keep him on and let him work on Camp Camp and other shows, and most of RT's followers are liberal (or so it appears).

Miles could turn into a balaclava-clad maniac, but unless advertisers and sponsors pull out- RT won't care (the community & the heads of staff).

Miles would have to kill a sacred cow within RWBY's to have the audience suddenly drop off (at which point I can see his role in RT productions dramatically reduced or even fired). And thanks to how micro-managed the show is, that won't happen (nothing "unsafe" will happen in the plot- intentionally).

I predict the audience will shrink over time, until the small dedicated fan-base can't keep the show running. RT are racing to finish the story before it can't turn a profit- and after that, RWBY Chibi or easier-to-produce spin off stories.

The worse we'll get is Atlas' borders control being a parody of Trump's wall, Ironwood either laments or dies (I'm betting on the former; not only to protect a character Monty made, but also to distance themselves from those who riot & kill- have the villain change his way's in a hand-fisted "it can happen to anyone but you can come back" message), and the borders are opened to all. Atlas becomes a haven for the chaos elsewhere in the world, and somehow no villain thinks to exploit it (and even if they do, thanks to what Huntsmen/women do in one day, they keep the border open).

>>35371

Huh.

I'm surprised they wrote a character I like.

>>35372

one of the best Characters in RWBY, IMO. I'm just surprised two young liberals can write a good military guy.

of course, they're going to shit the bed with the forced Trump metaphors.

>>35373

Yeah, they probably will.

>>35373

>I'm just surprised two young liberals can write a good military guy.

Don't know why, but I take that as a challenge.

>>35377

>it'd be almost worth it to see just how far they could bend things before they shatter.

What is the tensile strength of a dream?

>>35382

>Or hell, why Cinder works for Salem.

Wasn't "Sacrifice" suppose to be Cinder's little song about who she is?

Also, The Supreme Court strikes down the lower judges' decision to block the ban. Expect ass blasted RT staffers. Bonus points if they (Metaphorically) dig up Monty's body again to virtue signal.

Search your feelings, you know this to be true.

>>35387

>Wasn't "Sacrifice" suppose to be Cinder's little song about who she is?

Perhaps, but so what? The point of cinema is to deliver character development and motivation, among other things, ON SCREEN.

Forcing people into consuming extraneous material in order to know what the fuck is going on is a huge blunder.

If RT wants to use music in order to establish characters they should've produced a fucking rock opera album, not a TV show.

The more I think about it the more I hate these guys, honestly.

>>35398

This is the most pathetic thing I've seen in a long-ass time, and I just blew in from a /pol/ thread about CNN blackmailing a Reddit user over a Trump meme.

>>35398

Well fuck me, I had no idea people were almost frothing at the mouth over this shit!

If I were RT (And responsible) I'd have them hook up next season, explicitly, have it ending at an arc. Or perhaps at the end of the season. And hint something like

"We're doing something at the end of the season that we should have done a long while ago."

My lord, I had no idea how psychotic people were over ships! I was never one to care for Yang being straight or bi, and I didn't care about blake either on that account, but if people are this angry over it, just give it to them, cause that's the only thing going to satisfy them.

Or hell, don't even get them in a relationship. Give have them kiss on screen or something, for some reason after a bittersweet moment where Blake could use a hug maybe. That way there is still some deniability over yang being gay or bi if they really want to have yang be ambiguously gay.

>>35410

>My lord, I had no idea how psychotic people were over ships!

Psychotic is an understatement, man. Believe me.

>>35407

>>35410

Not that anything they could do would satisfy them. Unless it's run by a major SJW/Liberal leader, even when the creators are liberal the "audience" always projects an -ism, and they cave more until the show is propaganda incarnate and no longer enjoyable to anyone.

If they cannot control, they destroy- same shit as vidya.

It's a shame because if they had a different audience- you could have done a lesbian/bi storyline without any issue (or just made it fanservice in the original sense).

Hell, I've always wanted to see a one-sided romance (gay crushing on straight) or the stresses and tribulations leading to them experimenting, then one of them regrets it, but they dunno if they regret doing that with a friend or being with another woman, am I interested in women sexually or do I want a relationship etc etc. Actually show shit gay people go through because it's not normal- not pretending the world is 50/50 and everyone who's ever felt conflicted being gay is because of harassment.

But with the writers we have now- we're lucky if a character moves from A to B in a decent time frame, decent run-time, and with decent motives.

>>35407

Looks like GenLock is set up in case RWBY dies.

Oddly enough- why set it up when you're already working on RvB, Camp Camp, and RWBY on rotation? Do they really need the 4th show to give more stuff for people to do or give more time for writers to work before animation starts up?

Are RT just being greedy, or did my initial snark hit the nail on the head?

>>35419

> Hipster liberals from Austin are going to make a generic Mecha show and it'll sell in Japan.

> People with 10x the talent can't even get over 100 views on youtube with genuine effort put in.

I mean they made connections; but that doesn't mean I like it.

Not to mention the more western liberals that infect Japanese media the worse it'll be.

>>35398

The funniest thing about this is that Monty would have given them the lesbian relationship. He seems to me to have been the kind of guy who liked women, liked sex, and would have noticed that there is 100% more women in lesbian sex. He would have done it to see the fan art.

Miles and Kerry, however, are sitting there, precariously trying to pay lip service to the Social Justice Faggots. They are holding off because they can't have a lesbian relationship that is shallow, or is just fan service. They need to "give it the respect it deserves" as a "real relationship". They are too poor of writers to realize that there are no real relationships in the genre that they write for: any appearance thereof is the audience's imagination making up for the writer's brevity.

I find it ironic that the "misogynist" (he wasn't because you have to be white to be a misogynist) would have given the Social Justice Faggots what they want sooner than these hack Social Justice Faggot writers will (if they do at all).

>>35429

Monty would have made a believable relationship- Miles and Kerry will use SocJus shielding to protect themselves from critique of bad writing.

Right now Yang hates Blake for abandoning them, and Blake is busy fixing the White Fang.

Apart from them having no need to physically meet up again, you can bet when they do it'll be a total of 20 mins across X episodes of slap-slap-flirt-flirt-will they-won't they and then they'll suddenly fall into each other's panties.

>>35429

>He seems to me to have been the kind of guy who liked women, liked sex, and would have noticed that there is 100% more women in lesbian sex

Oh for the last fucking time. When you watch others fuck, you're always the cuck. No exceptions.

>inb4 buh-but its ok when theyre not my waifus, that means its fine to enable it!!!

>>35439

So if this is Season 5's "episode 0" trailer sort of like what they did for Season 4 and 1-

Do you think this will retcon the White Trailer? Or just that this takes place before those events?

Is this also RT making up for when people hated the new costumes everyone had by showing the old costumes In their shitty new 3D engine that looks off

>>35440

No retcon required, this will take place before the white trailer.

>>35439

>>35450

Welp called the shit out of that one

>>35457

The particles are pretty, texture & bump mapping has really improved (and that alone will make normalfag fans say this series is better than the last), and the music builds and is interesting how it plays into the character's history.

I like how Weiss is juxtaposing with "having to get better" to leave, yet she's done so without improving. At least that's what I got from the sigh- probably not the intention.

HOW THE FUCK DID SHE GET A PRIVATE JET?! I know she's rich enough to, but you think Jacque would have issued a strict order to all his staff to not let her out of the house, cancel her cards, and tell his private jet staff to not let her leave either. Yet, we're going to gloss over exactly how she managed to do it. Guess she had another friend like Klein- or she negotiated. We'll never know!!

And they accidentally showed how the old costumes were better than the post-Monty redesigns. I'm sure Monty was gonna change their clothes every so often, but I'm just so fucking bitter at the sheer constant fuck-ups and blatant political bias they struggle to keep to themselves these guys make, that even stuff Monty probably wrote in the show bible I'm having to second guess

Even in the moments where the camera doesn't jump cut- the fighting still feels off.

Maybe it's how she holds her poses making it feel like its going between actions- rather than the flow from one action into another being as; if not more important, than the action itself.

Maybe it's because it misses synergy with any music or how the Grim seem so stand around and wait their turn to attack.

It's nice to see them incorporate ballet like movement into her attacks- but it still misses that flare Monty had. I'm sure you guys can explain it better than I can (there were fantastic breakdowns on his work compared to the new crews work in season 3 and 4 threads).

For example, those snow drifts passing by her didn't look like they hurt- yet they knocked the blade from her hand. Her footing wasn't even thrown off.

And when she puts her hand to her head when her blade is knocked away- it looks out of place and feels mechanical. Even if she did dismay at screwing up like that to the point she ignores the fight around her (makes sense given how strict her family are on minor errors) it doesn't feel like she panicked or frustrated for screwing up. She looks like she just remembered she left her phone off charge- and in an amateur dramatic play to boot.

While the VA showed how scared Weiss was when she was pinned down- her face didn't. Considering how fucking horrified Amber looked when she saw Cinder's hand-bug thing and other moments when the pupils have changed size to show emotion- they didn't use that here.

Show looks better than the last season when nothing is moving. It's another half a step forward on visuals and two steps back on everything else.

But I really really want RT to prove me wrong. They know to keep their mouths shut and not interfere with other properties with people who know what they're doing (Red Vs Blue, Achievement Hunter, Camp Camp) yet they turned away half the people who Monty wanted to hire who are Monty 2.0, and gave it to the people who rant and rave about Trump and the "alt-right"- more than we do about a Texas CGI anime.

>>35457

I feel like the animation and model looks better, but the choreography is… not so good.

What do you guys think?

>>35458

I think she was supposed to have stowed away on one of her father's cargo jets at the end of the last season. I guess RT forgot about that or they don't know the difference between a passenger jet and a cargo one.

>>35459

I still think the characters look off somehow. I'm pretty sure it's the lighting on them, but I can't pin down exactly what it is. Background elements and particle effects do look better, so I'll give them credit for that.

>>35460

If we go with the idea that Monty was "heavily inspired" by MMD models. The head shape is very much based on retro anime. An almost Roswell Grey alien shape with a large cranium, but an extremely narrow and short area for the jaw. Like an up-sidedown onion with the tip shaved down. It's not as extreme as that though (sort of like how that design trope lessened over time to the almost spherical head shape we get in low-budget anime now).

Now the head shapes are a little more realistic in the jawline and head shape. Which works on paper- if it wasn't for the fuck huge eyes.

So it looks wrong for several reasons:

1. It doesn't look like what we expect the character to look like (IMO, as long as you can tell from the face and clothes, it's fine).

2. It doesn't look right proportionately- yet isn't exaggerated enough to be a clear style (not the uncanny valley- but somewhere close)

Again, RT improved in area X but not thinking about how it affects other areas. Like how the textures and particle effects now look too good for the characters.

>>35460

>I think she was supposed to have stowed away on one of her father's cargo jets at the end of the last season.

I distinctly remember the one butler who wasn't an ass taking Wiess through a secret passage into the hangar, where she talked to a pilot (without the butler) to take her somewhere, presumably Beacon v.2

>>35467

Wasn't Weiss heading to wherever the fuck team RNJR is now?

I think Yang is also going there, but I'm not sure what Blake is going to do right now. Maybe head to the same city because having all of them split up was an awful idea?

First of all:

>BMBLB shitfest

>White Roses first thing shown

Rooster Teeth have cheek, I'll give them that much.

Anyway, it looked way better, but it just didn't feel right to me. It seemed like it would've suited volume 1. or Fuck it, just have a "Volume 0", a backstory behind the story.

>>35468

RWBY is converging on Mistral now.

Ruby: With JNR, already there

Weiss: To hang out / hide with Winter.

Blake: To stop assassination attempts by the White Fang

Yang: To find Raven / Ruby.

and yes, Having them split up was a terrible idea. it literally wasn't needed other than to over exert the drama and trauma that was afflicted upon them.

>>35469

>it literally wasn't needed other than to over exert the drama and trauma that was afflicted upon them.

It'd have been more interesting, if they were there, as friends together dealing with the terrible trauma of having been through a poorly executed tone shift in the story.

Blake already has a track record of running away, so that was kinda expected, but the rest of the crew had no excuse.

>>35470

>the rest of the crew had no excuse.

Ironically, the purest one of the them all (Ruby) literally had no excuse to abandon Yang.

>Blake runs away, like the filthy Faunus she is

>Weiss gets Yanked by her father away

>Yang just shuts down

Ruby only had a hunch, and it wasn't even her own, to go to Mistral, that's all. Qrow told her and she decided that heading out there to do… something… was more important than tending to her older sister who had her name dragged through radioactive mud and mutilated.

>>35470

>Blake terrified that Adam will find her and maybe finish what he started with Yang

>Weiss afraid that her father will find her to take her back home

>Yang FUCKING PISSED that she lost her arm while having traumatic dreams about the whole incident (and maybe a little upset at Blake because she thinks Blake could've done more to stop Adam)

>Ruby still shaken by what happened to Pyrrha

>All of them staying at Taiyang's place together while they figure out what to do

>Then Qrow comes along and tells them he's going to gather up the rest of the maidens or something and RWBY decides to go with him so they can feel useful instead of sitting around while everything goes down the shitter

Something like that, maybe. And they could meet JNR at some point on the way and show Jaune dealing with his crippling depression over Pyrrha's death.

>>35473

I don't even mind them splitting up- it's just that they did nothing while split up.

Ruby saved a handful of villages (or one) and never really showed the difficulty of getting to the next Academy aside from getting lost and carting Qrow's body around.

Weiss lost her temper (and they missed the chance of showing shit escalating so it came across like she over-reacted) and lost the family heir- meaning she now has NO chance to fix Schnee from the inside.

Blake went home, realized the White Fang are pretending Adam isn't with them, and got a pep talk from Ma & Pa.

Yang had trauma, learned a tactical lesson she should have learned at school or at the tournament, then got over her trauma quick.

Apart from Ren & Nora facing their fears & traumas- it just doesn't work. No one matured or learned anything.

Have Ruby fail at being a leader. Show Weiss struggling to keep her cool as everyone involved with Schnee does more bullshit. Have Blake address her issues with running away- have Sun as a confrontation, not a shoulder to cry on and legitimize for her. Have Yang's trauma more prevalent (coming out during training with Tai) and having to come to terms that she has lost potential thanks to her arm and her mind.

For a series with literal monsters that feed on negative emotion- RT sure seems scared to show the characters dealing with deep issues (only issues everyone has experienced but on a surface level- death of a loved one, letting people down, prejudice). It's something I've noticed in a lot of modern shows- people are afraid to show their characters fucking up. Usually this is due to a comic relief/cuck character that bumbles around (so no one else can make errors or be compared to them) or they make very immature and basic mistakes (like the Flash show). They want their characters to be badasses- and have an emotional story.

Make them an 80s/90s faultless hero or give them flaws. You can't have both.

The only excuse RT have is the short run time of each episode + how many episodes they have in a season (then again, I like older media where characters can show motivation or exposition in just a line or two. Something that; again, is kinda dead in most modern media now and has to be either heavily hinted at so everyone can get it, or comes out the ass)

All this missed potential makes it hard to enjoy the show. They're so close all the time and they just keep going the wrong way. If it was a person your love for them would rot away and you'd cut them out of your life.

>>35475

>It's something I've noticed in a lot of modern shows- people are afraid to show their characters fucking up

to me, that just screams of escapism, not watching to show to watch a good show, but to just escape from the world. A Teenage girl/boy that's a walking WMD saving the day from evil, having no flaws, or having flaw that are shaken off in a matter of a few episodes (Weiss' racism comes to mind). How the hell is that NOT escapism?

it's also why Jaune and Ruby have such a bland personality, with the exception of Ruby's Love of weaponry (because of her anti-social behavior) and Jaune's infatuation with Weiss and with Pyrrah at the end (Beta male trying to get outside his class), two basic problems almost everyone can relate to.

>>35476

You're kind of right- but I disagree a little on Ruby.

While she does uses anime stereotypes (cutesy, naive, sweet, yet an almost knight-oath level dedication to her friends and doing the right thing) the writers did sprinkle her personality traits here and there. Just not enough.

Her love of weapons is brought up once- yet we never see her tinker with her weapon (or others) or talk about the genuine pros and cons of Schnee weapons that Weiss may not have heard from.

She tries to be the peacemaker in arguments or encourage people- but other than Jaune and maybe with Ren in Season 4 we don't see her do it that often.

Like how flaws are one-and-done, the writers mention personality traits once and drop it.

>>35477

>Like how flaws are one-and-done, the writers mention personality traits once and drop it.

That's how I can think they could shake things up; Give Ruby an Immovable Object. No matter how much she does, no matter how much she fights or be friendly or wants to help, she can't. or if she does, she makes it absolutely worse. Test her psyche, her limits. If she starts to break, JNR could be there to help back on the path.

Despite all that happened, she still has that childish frame of mind. what happens when she realizes she has to grow up fast?

>>35478

Which should have happened in Season 4.

Jaune should have been a mess she couldn't fix.

Ren & Nora should have had an actual harsh argument with her and/or Jaune over going through the village.

The places they did save should have had more incidents of some people still being lost to Grim attacks (can't save everyone) or her having to choose between making progress to the academy, or staying to help (help the majority or help the minority you know).

They're doing film school writing held up by anime tropes & fanbase.

The saddest thing is- with the average seasonal-anime you get, that level of writing is acceptable (hence why it's liked in Japan and by Weaboos)

>>35479

Honestly, we should just make a bingo box. Think of all the actual good ideas about what would happen to the characters and see how many of them filled by the end of the volume.

>Weiss is broke, has to get by without dust

>Blake tries to restart good white fang, is mistaken by the bad ones

>What we just talked about with Ruby and RNJR

>Yang still having mental problems, and having problems with her life because of the fixed match by Cinder.

>>35480

TBH you could make a cliche bingo sheet as well.

If you overlay them and get a bingo then that means the show is OK? I guess??

>>35481

Yeah but with the "good writing" bingo, you can ether be smug about predicting a good plotline correctly, or just sigh in the hell of your knowing that they'll never get better as the bingo sheet is empty.

Cliche bingo sheet is just a gimme. Think of the worst shit and you got a 50/50 chance it might actually happen, and be pleasantly surprised they don't fuck up once.

The pain and heartache is what make the "Good" Bingo sheet fun.

>>35482

Alrighty. Dumping what I can think of. (Will need to rewrite to squeeze them in when you select what to use).

> Particle effects & textures are better (Free space)

> Yang will get visions of Adam during a fight.

> Yang will get a vision and lash out at a friend or a neutral person.

> Head teacher/Cowardly Lion Expy sacrifices himself.

> The rest of team SSSN turn up to help Sun & Blake.

> RWBY reunites during a fight scene (narrowly missing meeting each other during the fight, or suddenly drawing weapons on each other expecting a foe).

> Ren replies to Nora's Boop with "I love you to."

> Ren and Nora feel guilty showing their feelings for one another in front of Jaune.

> Fighting is back to Monty level.

> Voice acting is good (for dubbed anime).

> Oscar can channel Ozpin so he can speak.

> Oscar's mom isn't just forgotten.

> Glynda Goodwitch is still in the show despite the drama with the VA

> We actually see Beacon & Vale being rebuilt.

> Reasons given for why Faunus hate is legitimized beyond fear of the White Fang (fear of them outbreeding humans, original Faunus culture being somehow incompatible with human culture, etc).

> We learn/get clues why Cinder wants the Maidens/Artifacts beyond for power's sake.

> Plot advances

> Characters realistically mature/change after overcoming a problem.

> Learn more of the world's history outside a WoR video (why wars started, the "War on individuality", why the Faunus were hated beyond "muh racism" and Faunus wars

> Total avoidance of comparisons to current affairs and real world politics- on either end of the scale (you can have villains who hoarde up and close themselves off from the world. But pairing that with crying brown faces and the same arguments we heard during the election is not).

> Romances that blossom are realistic. (This includes lesbian ones if they occur).

> We learn who the fuck Raven and her tribe are.

> Music is as good as Season 1-2.

> RWBY meet up for realistic reasons (this applies more to Weiss and Blake).

> Jaune's zweihander mode for his sword is modified so it actually looks bigger- rather than just having a different edge and not look any heavier (to make it look heavier is more an animation thing though)

>>35483

Will be making this soon enough.

Honestly, Maybe introduce a character who isn't evil or good. Someone who understands the world of Remnant, but does not align with Ozpin or Salem, knowing that they are not the good and evil of the world, but just the chess masters. He walks his path, does shit on his own terms. Maybe he helps RNJR/RWBY or maybe he will be in conflict with them, depending on their agendas.

>>35483

>Ozpin and his conflict with Salem and her minions is given explanation

>Neo returns to hunt Ruby down to avenge Roman

>The maidens become important to the plot again

>We learn why/how Ozpin has possessed Oscar (whether it's his semblance or something more than that)

>White Fang act like more of a threat instead of bumbling mooks (aside from Adam)

>Penny returns, but with complications

>Roman returns (joke)

>Jaune figures out his semblance and it isn't something stupid

>>35480

>>35481

Bingo boxes were partly lost due to April Fool's pranks, but they are the first posts in the thread:

Gone:

>>34441

>>34450

Present:

>>34439

>>34446

These are, however, mostly anger at the writing.

>>35486

I saw someone post >>34450 in the /v/ thread for that big crossover game so I'm sure someone has it saved.

RE: Bumblebee and the chance of it becoming canon for the wrong reasons, I stumbled across this vid talking about how Avatar (or rather Korra) is crowbaring in the fan-ship in the follow-up canon comic.

Someone already commented on RWBY in the comments:

> Boone Hoss

> Here in the RWBY fandom, it isn't uncommon for people who ship Bumblebee (a lesbian pairing between two of the female leads) to get very upset whenever their ship has a hole poked in it. The most recent example I can think of is when one of the voice actresses confirmed that a song from the soundtrack named after the ship was just fanservice and was just an afterthought of the writers. They sent her several death threats for about 2 days.

Seems like it even redpilled a few RWBY fans on their own community.

As for the video itself, any comparisons to be made? Interesting comments made in the vid?

IMO a lot of the stuff he says helps put into words why a poorly written Bumblebee is feared.

> Sexuality & prejudice against sexuality has not been explored before and will not be woven into the story without sticking out like a sore thumb.

> Over-focusing on how evil that prejudice is instead of greater evils that affect the whole world- political intrigue turning nations against each other, powerful relics & maidens falling into the hands of Salem, general fear of Grim attacks, etc.

> Focusing more on the soap-boxing against homophobia than exploring the relationship between the characters. That can include dealing with prejudice, but shouldn't be the focus of it unless they're in a world that doesn't tolerate it- which from all other signs it shouldn't be. Especially since they had the "War on Individuality", and that can be freely expanded by the writers to mean what they think a right-wing dictatorship is.

> Introduced purely to get clicks (via outrage, manufactured outrage, or virtue signalling) pandering, or out of fear instead of having a good story to go with it.

> General concerns of that sub-plot being poorly written, and dragging down the rest of the plot or quality of the show with it (like bad sub-plots tend to do- no matter their theme)

Most people who seem to ask for bumblebee seemingly fail to realize that such an addition is superficial at best. Yuri pairings can work. Just look at Sakura Trick which was more like an excuse for otaku to watch two girls make out. The problem with RWBY's case, is that bumblebee would be merely a superficial addition to an already lackluster story. Making the pairing canon would not address the many problems the story has. It would not add to the characters' development, much less fit with the overarching themes. It would come off as fan pandering, and most of the time, pandering to your fanbase only makes the problems of your story stand out even more. And I'm not even touching on the fact that (1) neither Yang nor Blake are gay and (2) it would likely lead to further virtue signaling, making an already uninteresting story seem shallow, sacrificing believable and relatable situations for the sake of proving a point.

Speaking of which, I recall a certain person once said that the biggest mistake content creators (particularly studios and game devs) can make, is hire fans to do the work for them, or even listen to the fans and give them what they want. Most of the time, fans have no clue what they're saying, and what they ask for in their favorite works is just superficial, bizarre, or downright wrong and nonsensical. I forgot who said it exactly, but if you consider all works that had some degree of fan involvement, it starts making a lot more sense. One recent example I can think of is MKX, which has some of the worst character animations in recent fighting games. Many of the people working at NRS are long-time MK fans and instead of trying to create good 3D animations, decided to try and maintain that janky style of the older MKs. If you play MKX, you can see the results of that. Even KOFXIV has better 3d animations and that game looks like it could run on a PS2.

>>35493

> Especially since they had the "War on Individuality", and that can be freely expanded by the writers to mean what they think a right-wing dictatorship is.

Honestly, that sounds more like a general 1984 kinda thing (Which exactly wasn't clear who won, Nazi's or Commies). The three super powers were based off of Ingsoc, Neo-Bolshevism, and Obliteration of the Self

Imagine my shock, if they pull a twist and either don't do it about Nazi's, but also have the War on Individuality represent communism! Nazi's are more like "War on collectives we don't like", anyway.

>>35494

The only exception to that is when fans show they know what they're talking about.

Even here, we're (arguably) not qualified. We know what doesn't work, but how many could actually break down an idea for the direction the show could have gone, how to present it, and how it'd turn out?

Then you get shit like the Sonic Mania guy. He made ports of Sonic games to smartphones for fun, then sold them to Sega. On top of that he made his own fan games and heavily worked at getting the physics as close to 1-1 for Sonic 1, 2, or 3. He clearly showed he had knowledge, and is (arguably) qualified to make a retro style Sonic game.

Monty was the best animation autist you could ask for. But RT needs a story-writing autist. Someone who knows character arcs, plot development, etc. more than his own body.

>>35498

>But RT needs a story-writing autist. Someone who knows character arcs, plot development, etc. more than his own body.

…

Should I be the sacrificial lamb to the Toothy Rooster? Maybe if I wrote my book really fast I can catch the writing team during what they're doing in season 6, and do damage control for what they're doing.

>>35499

Miles & Kerry are the golden boys for RWBY. Unless they leave on good terms with RT- It'd be very easy for them to make a Shane-esque letter as they leave and throw RT under the bus.

So, RT will do what they want for RWBY. So unless you're really good at sucking hipster dick or good friends with Miles & Kerry, you're not getting the job. Even people within RT probably won't get the RWBY writing job since;

- They're writing something else.

- Miles & Kerry aren't leaving that job any time soon.

Though it does make me wonder who's working on their Mecha show. I suspect its the same people animating, and writing. Only this time it'll be Miles & Kerry's baby instead of Monty's.

Brief aside- what happened to that "soul combining" thing that was supposed to happen to Phyrra when she was gonna get Amber's Maiden powers?

Does that mean Cinder has a different personality as she's part Amber now- or is she immune (or the soul-fusion was the side effect of artificially doing it like they wanted to Phyrra)?

>>35498

>Even here, we're (arguably) not qualified. We know what doesn't work, but how many could actually break down an idea for the direction the show could have gone, how to present it, and how it'd turn out?

Eh, speak for yourself. Writing something better than RWBY would't exactly be difficult, especially if you get to use the same characters and same premise.

>>35501

I think it was a side-effect.

>>35506

>She took a ship to Anima first, same ship Blake took to Menagerie.

It still doesn't explain why Ruby decided to do something as stupid as a road trip across Anima.

One thing though, the motorcycle thing can be seen as realistic. An average human walks at about 3 miles per hour. Walking 12 hours, that's 36 miles a day; experts generally say 25 miles a day (due to eating and finding lodging at the end of the day). A motorcycle on dirt roads can do maybe 25 to 35 miles per hour. If we assume the lower end for the motorcycle and the higher end for the walking, and have both travel 12 hours a day: Yang goes 300 miles a day; Ruby and co. go 252 miles a week. If it took Ruby six months to walk to where she was saved, it would have taken Yang three weeks to ride there. While, narratively, it appears that Yang may have taken a week to get there, the scenes of her leaving home and riding after Ruby could be from the recent past, being moved in the narrative to enhance the action of the plot (while possibly confusing or angering autists).

>>35508

>It still doesn't explain why Ruby decided to do something as stupid as a road trip across Anima.

Because they needed a plot but didn't want to do a story. it's literally filler. how many scenes that RNJR were on foot that will actually matter in volume 5?

>>34435

>all the signs are there

Bumbleby is cancer and will never happen you utter degenerate.

>>35525

Wasn't Yang also supposed to be an e-celeb or something or have a minor following online?

If they had more time, noticing how quickly the public turns on her over the fake attack on Mercury would have been interesting.

But they've also done scummy shit like have World of Remnant videos be DVD exclusive. Like how Faunus and human couples make more Faunus. Kind of gives you an idea of one of the reason Faunus were hated.

>>35529

Whether it's bluff for the interview or not- I do think there's genuine love for Monty from Miles & Kerry.

Problem is, you've got Monty doing something "wild" compared to what they think is wild.

Monty was no expert story-teller (if we assume season 1 and 2 was what he wanted)- elements were brushed over and there are still plot-holes. But if we consider his autism for animation, you can be sure there was a reason for everything that was put in the show, and it (usually) made sense for it to be in there. Qrow having the same "Nope!" response like Ruby does, Yang having a hyper-aggressive personality since her semblance helped solve most of her problems by going through them, when Weiss and Blake argue it's over cross purposes of all Faunus/The White Fang so that either side can be completely wrong or right based on what the argument topic is, showing Raven's strength by having an antagonist scared of her after deftly kicking the shit out of a protagonist etc.

From what we've seen of some of Season 3 and 4, I think Miles and Kerry do what looks cool, but it ends up contradicting what has been laid before.

Jaque slapping Weiss makes sense. Except how can she feel it through aura when she's been throw around by rocket blasts.

Sun getting the brunt of the chameleon girl's attack adds suspense. Except he's been able to dodge closer shaves in the tournament.

Yang has trauma from Adam, yet Blake doesn't. In fact, (as it's been said before) having Blake lose her arm would have made more sense- if it wasn't for the fact Yang would have no plot to go with (unless she's stabbed in the chest and has to keep her heart-rate low. Something an adrenaline junkie would abhor).

In that regard, it would be something M&K could improve with honest feedback (learning how to temper the weird & wonderful twists).

The problem is they get feedback very late (after a series is already done and written up) and the feedback they get is constant praise from people who are just happy to see anything with the characters (and due to being an internet company, it can be easy to dismiss criticism as "trolls" the more bitter and bigger you get).

Then again, when was the last time you saw an in depth analysis of why something does and does not work in a youtube comment?

Monty could keep moving forward because he had already spent an ungodly amount of time planning how to do it and learning how to animate it. Miles and Kerry can't work like Monty since they don't have his animation skill or his vision of the story.

That, and the episodes per season and episode lengths are shooting themselves in the foot. But I don't know if they'd fill longer episodes with character development, lore, and fights, or just expand upon stuff that doesn't work.

>>35531

> Ruby tells Yang to "Break a leg".

Also in the beginning of Volume 3, Ruby said that she helps "control" Yang.

>>35533

It's a fucking shame they had the schedule they did, but I also can't see any company no matter the size being fine with "Yeah, give us 6 months/one year and we'll have the first season done."

And in a rare moment, I agree with splitting Season 2 and 3 where they did.

Maybe the original plan had more elements so 2 and 3 blended together (the dust heists happening a few weeks or even during the Vytal Festival, and the army of White Fang/Stolen Mechs going straight to the Festival for a raid)- but as they stood their stories were their own things. It helped show Cinder was building up her plans over time- implying it took her months of prep work (years if we include getting WF, Mercury, and Emerald on board) which is more realistic. It's just a shame Season 3 didn't give much to focus on.

>>35534

Anything that's relevant to what's been said about Season 4/past seasons from youtube, DVDs or Cons.

Anything that can shed light on which people around Monty were competent or incompetent, loved the show or tried to wrestle control from him.

>>35534

God Ruby has gotten more higher pitched over time. The squeaker voice works better, but as Ruby gets older or even for Summer, the other voice works as well.

>>35517

Usually I'd sage this post, but on the board front page, the thread looks like this >>35517 is the last post.

Dunno why later posts aren't showing up. Hopefully my bump fixes it.

If not, it's probably some minor shenanigans to fix.

Not RWBY but its good to see Dillon's (an animator from Volume 3) still on his Katsu! kick.

When I think about it, time wise, RWBY would have been better if it was released as a series of OVAs. The pacing and timing would have been a lot better as 1 hour stories, and things like the Jeanne Arc of the Villain Arc could be turned into smaller 20 minute shorts.

They could have polished things up more, too, if they did things that way. Just imagine if you took the first half of Volume 1, slowed the pacing down, and gave a lot more focus to initiation. With the right lighting and such, you could give the forest a real sense of darkness to it, and then stretch out the situation with the giant Grimm to make them even more intimidating.

With some minor modifications and moving things around, you could really go a long way. I'd also say keeping Salem out of the picture should be a must, except as a hint in the villain story. Maintaining Cinder as the "main bad", revealed after Roman is dispatched in maybe Movie 2 or 3, would be a good way to go about things.

>RWBY Fan made Animation-Rwby:30 Days-Angel

<The effort you put forth to anything transcends yourself…

>>35549

< Although I am one person,but I have no time limit. It is different with RWBY V4 Team.If they have more time,they can do better.

> Implying they have the time to teach Austin Uni Grads to go against what their teachers told them.

> Implying they have the time and the humility to let someone who is as autistic focused as Monty to work freely without amateur hour executive meddling.

> Implying if that even if they had the above, they'd give them the run time needed, before Burnie looses his shit that it's not making money right that second.

> Implying it'd fix the state of the story.

>>35552

>>35553

>>35554

>>35555

I've softened on them a little. They know the theory behind what to do- it's just a lack of experience and execution that screws them.

Not to mention how the plot is panning out, and not being able to do action like Monty.

I totally agree they shouldn't do things like every other animation/production house since they are an internet company and that changes what your audience expects and when (not to mention Monty working very free-flow)- but the storyboards show they at least understand what they want to do. They've even got some time saving measures like the generic crowd animations (though they should modify them if needed. I.e. people craning over people in front of them to see, or turning away in disgust depending on what's happening).

As long as they don't get burn-out or hit deadlines, if nothing else the particle effects and lighting will look pretty. However, particle effects needing impact (i.e. the snow drifts/energy waves hitting Weiss)- they need to think very carefully on how to give it weight and how it interacts with the world around it.

> Last Webm

> Basics of Animation

From the guys who had Cinder gliding across rooftops in season 2.

In all seriousness- this might give a hint to their basic problems.

They make a generic animations in advance (I.e. Weiss Climb 1) and modify the scene to it. To save time of course- they're bound to need that animation at some point- right?

Instead, they need to spend the extra time making a fresh animation for every episode outside of truly generic stuff running or walking.

Is the character tired or energetic? Excited or reluctant? Do they have all the time in the world, or do they need to move fast?

The character's mood and what's happening can dramatically change how a character moves.

There's some animation thing on youtube that was part of some class project- showing a blank blob of a character walking into a room and sitting on a chair. But- under different moods. When they're happy, when they're scared, when they're sad. Albeit, that particular one was Loony Tunes in terms of how overblown it was- but the rules apply.

The guys can't save time or money with generic animations since it makes everything seem generic; or they have to scramble to modify them later, manipulate the scene, or produce unique animations when they have less time. Unless it's something someone would naturally do "neutrally" (walking, running and- despite the earlier example- sitting down or standing up) it needs a fresh animation. And even then there's bound to be scenarios when a character throws themselves into a seat arrogantly and drapes their legs over the arm of the chair, or someone runs for their life dodging a barrage of mortar fire.

Sure they looked naff in Season 1 & 2- but they were getting better by 3.

Ever thought who'll reunite with Ruby? If so will it make it a small feud?

>>35576

Yang is the obvious candidate. I don't see it causing friction initially, but there might be some drama kicked up for the sake of it (Yang mad Ruby left home, Yang trying to compensate for her arm loss by protecting Ruby in fights even though she can protect herself, etc)

But I can see her having PSTD and trying to hide it from RWBY. Hell, maybe she hurts Ruby because of it (mistaking her for Adam and hurting her, hurting her as she flails around, or being frozen in fear while Ruby gets attacked). Basically trying to make drama via angst like the aftermath of Vol 3.

Weiss is on a plane, and I hate to say it, but I can see her turning up. If Yang hates Blake for "running away"- what the hell must she think of Weiss? If she knows Weiss has a strict family and issues, why do Blake's known issues not give her a free pass (albeit- she hasn't revealed she used to work for the White Fang and only briefly discussed how she runs from problems IIRC)? Otherwise, Yang should be just as (unreasonably) angry with Weiss for running.

Ruby will be happy to have her bestie back.

Weiss might cause drama via her being cut off. It'll try to come across like the stress of everything else she's under is magnified by having a lower quality of life (food, bedding, clothing, etc) but it'll actually come across like she's spoiled and still expecting the best- despite living in dorms with the team for (presumably) months and living the "common folk life" already (especially when on mission).

I'm hoping her drama is actually her trying (and failing) to improve the world around her. If she sees injustice and poverty she'll try to solve it as one person- and fail. Making her realize just how important it is she somehow reclaims her heir. It also gives a chance for her and Ruby to talk- Weiss asking her how she copes with not being able to save everyone and Ruby giving an answer… Whatever that is ("better to save some then not at all"~ though that doesn't explain if she thinks it's better to focus on the long term time-sensitive mission of getting to Haven vs. every village in-between. But TBF- Ruby is probably the sort of person who would stop and help every person because she can't leave people in need).

By all logic and reason- Blake can't turn up. She needs to stay at home, rebuild and modify the White Fang from it's "home" in Menagerie. How can you convert a continent of Faunus if you can't fix a small island? Not to mention Menagerie gives a nice HQ got the peaceful White Fang until they get a foothold on the mainland, and Israel style place-of-refuge for all peaceful Faunus.

However, if Weiss and Yang are there- why shouldn't Blake? The above reason is good- but the team "should be together" or it needs to follow a pattern of reuniting (Yang reunites in Vol 5, Weiss in Vol 6, Blake in 7. Or Ruby & Yang in 6 along with Weiss & Blake elsewhere, and all meet up again in Vol 7). So, unless Weiss plane needs to divert (flying Grim attack/crashes into the ocean) and she washes up on Menagerie (which would be damn interesting for Blake. "I support peaceful White Fang. Here's my friend- the daughter of the guy more than half of you hate and most of that group want dead.") I think Blake's first priority for the Peaceful White Fang… Is to campaign in Haven. Maybe Headteacher Lionheart is a Faunus, and is hoping his voice will lend credibility?

In any case, if Blake meets up with the group- Weiss and Blake might have stuff to talk about (Blake reveals/gets found out by Weiss she used to be violent White Fang, Weiss explains she lost her heir-ship making Blake feel conflicted as the embodiment of the person she'd wanted to have killed is now against oppression and doesn't have access to the company that "hurt" Faunus, etc). Yang and Blake will have their argument, which I sort of already discussed here:

>>35566

>>35567

In short, they argue, they fight, they argue, and make up in FAR too short a time-frame. Mainly hindered by RT sucking at character arcs but so did Monty to an extent and it being a very complex issue agitated by their high-running emotions (they are teens still) that is hard to solve even with robotically level heads.

How can you trust someone that'll run away when shit hits the fan?

How can you let people trust you when you're the reason they were mutilated or lost everything they had?

>>35551

>Implying it'd fix the state of the story.

Nothing will fix it at this point, let's be honest

>>35597

Who's to bet this one scene is to justify Menagerie as awful to live in.

Everything has these opulent wood mansions. Unless it turns out they don't have decent hospitals, and get a bad deal on trade (due to distance a'la Australia), then Faunus don't have a case to complain about being sent to Menagerie. Sure they have past transgressions against them, but they've not shown a decent reason for Faunus to be mad beyond what the White Fang tells them and a handful of racist cases.

Its been said in this thread or another- Menagerie needs to be a slum/shithole to make the audience understand why Faunus went to and were sold on the idea of extremes. Otherwise (ironically from a company that's left leaning) it makes Faunus look like they are over-reacting and idiots who border on Dindu levels of gimmedat and expecting a city & all it's luxuries to spring up on the island by someone else doing the work.

> Austin Hipsters don't understand why people become racist.

> Austin Hipsters don't understand why cultures turn to terrorism.

If they can't do it well, I hope they avoid it entirely then (Blake Vs. White Fang in simple good vs. evil).

>>35598

Maybe what we need from Menagerie is the Second Liberian Civil War: children high on cocaine wandering the streets with assault rifles.

>>35608

IT JUST KEEPS HAPPENING

Errors like this happened all the time in non-fight scenes, but attention to details in the action scenes has been lost. Not just stuff like this, but style.

The way her coat flutters and reacts to her moving is good, but (even with the footage slowed down) there's no urgency or energy in her running. Being she's this pseudo-ninja fighter, you'd expect some suspension of disbelief and have her move her legs faster, and her torso leaning much further forward a'la classic anime wall running (the person putting in so much energy into the run you can almost believe they're going fast enough to pull it off).

The camera being level with the wall is a nice touch- but there's no excitement. This is much harder to describe, but they almost need to keep the camera further back to show more of what's happening, or maybe even show her face more clearly to show the exertion she's putting into the running.

Also- bare in mind the building she's running up and the town is on a remote island that only had huts up to this point. What are those buildings for? Can't be a store since you'd expect market stalls as they have less to sell. Can't be an apartment complex since it seems like everyone gets their own hut. It feels far too sophisticated for the ideal of Menagerie they told us. Who the fuck would think they were oppressed when they live in a place that can produce that? If the whole thing turns out to show how easily the White Fang convince it's followers they're oppressed then kudos. Otherwise, seems like Faunus are doing pretty well in Menagerie or got a lot of foreign aid.

I'm still hyped, I'm just disappointed they're making errors like this still- both in animation and story telling. Will be watching Webms with all you guys

Needs a MP4, but thoughts?

>>35613

Start out with the good: the more mature divided loyalties subtext that they are going to fuck up.

I like Ilia's motivation, but I don't feel that the writers are competent enough for her to ever have the realization that her hatred for humans is as juvenile and ignorant as the behavior that spawned it. (It is a progressive assertion that belief in hatred like this in only believed because the individuals holding such opinions were taught that by their parents, who were taught by their parents, down back to an economic (slavery) or political (Germany) convenience. If you believe (or, in Ilia's case, know) that this hatred is derived from ignorance, then it is petty and childish for you to hate the people who espouse it.)

Why is the crowd not moving? The top-down shots have Sun and Blake moving through a static crowd. Even as they go through the crowd, the people are standing around for no reason instead of milling about for no reason. It's great that they made Menagerie denser, but all the people are cardboard cutouts.

>>35614

>>35615

I fucking hate the entire fanus racism thing maybe if they looked more like fucking animals but as it stands they are just fucking humans with random animals parts WHO STILL ACT LIKE HUMANS basically are just just 10% furries.

The racism has no weight behind it if that means anything Fanus

>Speak English

>Are modern and well adjusted to modern living

>Do not have a religion or ideals

Maybe if fanus had the possibility of going berserk due to them being half animal out of no where then maybe I could see it but this shit is weak.

>>35613

>>35615

> The existence of Neon makes a lie of Ilia's experiences in Atlas.

Literally my first thought. Unless she's an Uncle Tom kinda thing, or she was a diversity hire/enrollment. Imagine hearing the up-going party girl was enrolled and sent to the Vytal Festival just so Atlus could push back claims of racism. Or her finding out, being accused of it, or having that doubt in her mind.

Hello missed opportunities, how have you been?

- How does the girl with "freckles" the size of liver spots pass for human? Especially if her color changing is emotion based. Hell, she's probably more experienced now than she was then, so she should have been changing colors like Mardi Gras.

- Sun flinches like an amateur and not a trained warrior (that aside, I've fucking LOVED his animation in this so far. Much more active and interesting- showing his care-free attitude and monkey-moves). I don't mind the guy shooting acting like he does, but it's like Weiss Vs. Chainsaw man. We've seen such skill from the fighters in the past, it seems like this should be over in a blink.

- Actually, how the fuck does Blake have this White Fang guy on file? And being the WF is respected and peaceful here, why does he need to run? Let her start an incident so her claims against the group have less weight when she started the fight. I mean, he could walk away casually, Blake demands to have a word with him, then he breaks into a sprint. Show her as smarter and still shows him as a flighty.

- I get Blake had some hesitation to go against an old friend, but it looked like indecision. Have her run forward as a reaction to Illia shooting the crane, then having to stop because of the boxes. Instead, she didn't seem to care the boxes fell.

- Kinda was expecting Illia to tail-end her story. Minor gripe, was expecting a stinger line to end the trailer.

Bitching aside, I loved what they did (Illia's story over the action, how Illia's story was told so it kinda of applies to anyone, rather than just X minority even people who lost friends because they lost their minds post-election. In fact, it better applies to politics & beliefs than it does race. Pretending to believe something to fit in. Having that one incident that breaks it).

>>35616

>>35617

If we go with what was said earlier

> Hatred because of history

If the Faunus did (or were falsely accused of) something awful in the past, then it could be past down. Hell, the English hate the French, the Japanese hate the Koreans, a lot of people in the US hate the Russians and Chinese, a lot of people still hate the Germans despite them going 180 on EVERYTHING that made people hate them- its not hard to have "racism" against another nation, and that being stronger the more recent it was (which leads to the matter of timelines, but that's a whole other deal- are we at the stage where comedians can make off-color jokes about them, or are people being jailed for saying nasty shit to Faunus in a fight?). But they need to TELL us.

There's a hundred things:

> Faunus largely worked/served county A during the wars, then a large network turned traitor and stabbed their human allies in the back on the orders of/to get favor from country B.

> A Faunus killing X important figure started the war between the nations a la Duke Ferdinand.

> Faunus culture meaning they were intelligent but had no desire to progress beyond tribal huts, and then going into overdrive on Gimmedats when they met humans.

The only thing they've hinted at (in a fucking DVD exclusive extra World of Remnant) was that when Faunus and Humans have kids- the kid is a Faunus. So you can argue it from a "they're trying to out-breed us" angle- except no one fucking hates them!

Don't get me wrong- being out-bred by an outsider is fucking scary- but no one acts like the animal features are gross or that it's a bad thing. They tried to shove all the Faunus on an island- was this why? "Get 'em out before they outbreed us"? Was it post-war where food was scarce?

Or how about making them more emotional- like an animal acting on instinct- so they would be associated with bringing Grim thanks to how they over-react? And when you assume/accuse someone of overreacting- it makes them overreact. Perfect self-fulfilling hatred.

Or how about Faunus were "subjugated" (according to the wiki and maybe one episode). If they were enslaved for labor- that'll work (except they've shown total synergy with the world since). Or how humans (for never explained reasons) tried to shove all the Faunus onto Menagerie and keep them there.

But yeah, like >>35617 says. They need a culture. Hell, all the nations do. Atlus is basically a European Culture at it's peak (from what we've seen and minus the architecture), Vale is America-ish (if only by architecture and lack of other details- i.e. "the default"), Mistral is Japan (by carbon copying their culture and admittedly doing their architecture well), and Vacuo being Mos Eisly as far as we fucking know. But that's it.

The more you pull these threads, the more they fall apart. I've been bugged out over what the bedrooms/bathrooms must look like in Salem's lair with her interior design by Satan & Sauron. The frustration isn't that they don't put it in. It's that there are so many good building blocks and they'd only need a few lines or subtle glances to make it stick. Or frustrating details we should have known by now- like the name of the dragon continent, or the Great War in more depth than the WoR show, or details on those who tried to "attack individuality" and the rebellion (makes it sound like the Great War was people vs. governments rather than nation vs nation). We've all assumed it was some Equilibrium shit, but teach us. We don't need to be in history class every episode, just have characters talk so we can get the culture that way. Like, have Sun & Neptune when they were being detectives investigate a crime against a Faunus. Shows the Faunus' side (Sun), the human sympathizers side (Neptune) and the human doubters side (the detective they worked with. Typical grizzly "sick of this shit/seen too much" Harvey Bullock type)

Or have Weiss say they don't get fast-food places where she is, or having never tried pizza. BAM- shows Atlus doesn't do food sloppily and they aren't big into foreign food. It implies they have high standards and don't care for the outside world. Also shows Weiss is sheltered. I've developed a character and her country with 1 line about fucking food.

But, I won't lie and claim this is easy. It's only because the building blocks are all here it makes it easier. During production you must be fighting over what to include without the show missing all the action that sold the damn thing.

Much as I love Monty's work, there are huge details missing. I can't blame RT constantly for episode length & production, but I wonder how much Monty actually had in the show bible.

>>35598

>>35598

>Maybe what we need from Menagerie is the Second Liberian Civil War: children high on cocaine wandering the streets with assault rifles.

>Not wanting the Faunus version of General Butt-Naked ravaging Menagerie

>>35621

fug I meant >>35600

>>35621

>General Butt-Naked

How did I not know about this madman? He's the hero Menagerie deserves.

>>35620

>nobody runs/hides, the crowd doesn't scatter.

The crowd is painfully static: they only move when interacted with.

Just once I'd like to SEE these incidents of Faunus racism happen instead of having one of the characters tell me about it as if that's all the explanation I need. It's as though the writers are afraid of showing this stuff to us.

>>35624

but goy, don't you see? if someone says there's racism happening, then it must be! Why else would they say it?

but honestly, it's what one anon already said before: if they knew how races work IRL, they wouldn't be liberal hipsters trying to do shitty comparisons. The only good story of the Faunus died with Monty.

>>35625

Oh we're gonna see plenty of racism now. People will blame Faunus for the attack on the Vytal Festival, and every Faunus they attack will be innocent, and every person who attacks will be violent & unintelligent (totally ruining the message of how the shit Salem orchestrates can turn the most civil of civilizations on each other)

> The only good story of the Faunus died with Monty.

Did it though? We don't know what's in the show bible (apart from the two gods & possibly the relics as Miles explained how he came up with the idea) and Monty was an animator first. Not absolving RT of their errors however- they had enough moolah to hire writer(s) to guide Monty's vision.

>>35626

>Did it though?

Wasn't it Monty that did "Black and White", the only episode in RWBY that actually showed both sides of the story? Why Weiss was a "racist" and why blake was angry-posting over Weiss' "racism"?

>and every person who attacks will be violent & unintelligent (totally ruining the message of how the shit Salem orchestrates can turn the most civil of civilizations on each other)

Gee, I bet this will be like lynching years of the south.

>OMG BLACK PPL SWINGING FROM TREES

>Never minding the fact that they were rapists and murders, literally finding them with their dicks in girls and blood on their hands

>never minding the fact that the court systems were heavily corrupt and slow as fuck

>never minding more white were goddamn lynched than blacks.

>no, I'm just going to do the liberal hipster thing and do massive historical context, because you can never put yourself in the mind of the people doing the lynching or why blacks were lynched in the first place.

>>35628

>Was what Ilia recounted an instance of racism or was she the victim of a social engineering experiment? Is she angry at a particular experience of "racism" or is she running off of guilt at having seen what kind of person she is deep down? Is she appalled that she was willing to turn her back on everything and deny her true self to feel "like a princess" in the "City of Dreams"? Could Ilia's zeal for the White Fang be a manifestation of her self-loathing?

with this, you have made more nuance than whatever MK will ever make.

>A large portion of the fanbase is wholly on board with Ilia's violence.

OfCorsh.mp4

>They justify it with slogans like "Bash the Fash" or "Punch a Nazi"

Because when terrorism happens in your cities that's caused by ONE PARTICULAR RACE AND RACE ONLY, Punching the people who want it to stop is the best thing to do.

>It's the next step from Weiss' outburst (which Miles was so proud of) that almost ended in violence at the charity function last volume.

>(which Miles was so proud of)

Miles is proud of that?

>that entire pink section

Jesus Christ, how can you speak Faggotese so fluently? I can't stand even reading that shit, never mind writing it Ironically.

>>35628

> It's the next step from Weiss' outburst (which Miles was so proud of) that almost ended in violence at the charity function last volume.

> We're also left to draw conclusions from the vagueries of the dialogue again. Ilia never says that her parents died or were even injured by what happened at the mines. Ilia only says there was a cave in and that the mishandling of dust crystals caused a chain reaction. Viewers of the show have drawn conclusions about parents being dead before (hello, Blake & Weiss) and been wrong. Ilia doesn't say what, if anything, happened to her parents and Blake doesn't ask the natural question. For all we know Ilia's parents are still in Mantle, hale and hearty, and missing their daughter just like Blake's parents were.

I swore she said her parents died in it. Fuck me, they can imply some shit well, but not others. But I do get Blake not asking "did they die" as the implication may have been enough. And yeah- I think the idea is that the mines are extremely dangerous, so they get/orchestrate a scenario where Faunus are desperate for money, so they work there. Ignoring the bustling trade of Menagerie or how that guy was running a bookshop. Or are we expected to think that no one would buy books from a Faunus?

At the risk of playing devil's advocate- I liked Illia's speech. Replace "pretending to be Faunus" with "pretending to be left/SJW/opposing political or moral belief" and it kind of clicks.

Illia had to deal with going against her morals for months to be accepted and have a better quality of life- mocking those she supported and was. At the moment of her being deeply concerned for her parents and grieving the loss of her kinsmen she had the most snide reactions possible from her peers. Imagine having family in Hudson, and you hear people cheering a "bunch of racist rednecks got what they deserved". It'd be hard for an adult to resist punching them out, let alone a child.

Illia's actions & reactions are understandable IMO. She had a traumatic event and saw (what she felt was) the worst of humans- prefect material to make someone who'd buy into terrorism (plus it's safe to say she was kicked out of Atlas Academy, and the White Fang took her in- again, financial support & living conditions being used as terrorist recruitment tools). Sure they could be better explained, and you could dig deeper into the psychology at a later stage (survivors guilt for not being in the mines and mocking her kin, trying to repent for "playing along" with the humans, being someone who was steadily fed a diet of ideals to escalate her hatred, etc). I think she does her role perfectly- someone loyal to the White Fang's cause. Blind to other viewpoints. Possibly even lying about or exaggeration her history (though this part is far from intentional by RT).

It's certainly better than Weiss' outburst (which the content was fine, but needed much more set up. I.e. as she prepares for the show, show her getting stressed about that and seeing the staff being poorly treated in a new light. Maybe have some people at the party talk about how buying the painting is an investment to resell a few years later, and other generally shitty elitist attitudes).

Sure no culture has everyone believing the same things (sure the majority may believe something and that forms the culture), but we really need an idea of what the common man and the top % in Atlus agree and disagree on. Or hell- Atlus seems to be the only country to have beef with Faunus, yet they're acting like there's people who hate them in every city.

If this builds up to a "White Fang lied about Fanus oppression and exaggerated a few assholes' actions" then it'd be fucking impressive. But I really doubt it.

>>35630

>Atlus seems to be the only country to have beef with Faunus, yet they're acting like there's people who hate them in every city.

>reminder there was a fucking rally in Vale and no one did anything aside from Blake and Sun ruining it, and it was only ruined by pure misfortune, not by intention.

>If this builds up to a "White Fang lied about Fanus oppression and exaggerated a few assholes' actions" then it'd be fucking impressive. But I really doubt it.

Doubt it, bub. Just a reminder that these people are extremely shallow and vain. Every good thing that they did in RWBY post-Monty was stumbled into, not planned by designed. These people are turning Ironwood, literally the only character KerryMiles made without Monty's help, into a Trump strawman just because they couldn't (and still can't) handle the election. These people were already talking about making the Fanus opression "the same as the 1960 civil rights", and that was a claim made during the Monty era. now imagine the Anti-Trump dildos along with the civil rights' shallow comparison.

The nail in the coffin, and the one thing I was disgusted and am still to this day, was dragging Monty, a Japanese immigrant, someone who would never trip any alarms at any airports, from his grave to counter-signal the "Muslim Ban" in which Trump wanted to ban people from 8 countries that were so shitty, they literally couldn't account for their people or even issue legal passports.

>>35637

He also works on Camp Camp- a show I actually really enjoy. Despite it being an Adult Swim style cartoon they have minor plot points. But yeah, I think it might apply to RWBY (though how many jokes have there been in the recent RWBY?) Maybe RWBY Chibi.

I don't see over-writing as an issue however. What is cut and what is put down however might.

I think the issue with RWBY is either (or both)

- They want everyone to feel involved with Monty's dream so (paradoxically) everyone can help keep it to the vision Monty had (or so they are reassured and told), so they do and wind up with too many cooks.

- The writers take no outside advice or attempts to expand their writing skills. They need to deeply study the themes they are trying to do. It's not like writing comedy. However, even if they did want to study- they have very little time to work on it (other projects, needing to churn out content constantly, etc).

Doesn't help the youtube format means you get lots of shallow praise, but not in-depth analysis. They may also be in the state where they ignore a lot of criticism due to initial criticism they saw being phrased very aggressively and not constructive.

>>35632

> Given Atlas level of technology, e.g. Penny or Aura Transfer Machines, why hasn't the Dust mining process been automated? Accidents like the one Ilia described arent just deadly for the workers, they're costly to the company. I just don't see Jacques putting up with demanding workers whose mistakes cost his company in time, money, and resources.

There are multiple ways they could deal with this:

- Dust is not as plentiful as they claim. If they improve the rate of acquisition, so does the rate of consumption. So the Dust is used up quicker. By making up stuff (Dust reacts violently to specific machines) they can keep Dust artificially rationed.

- If they automated the Dust process, many Faunus would lose work and (if we pretend they showed racism in the show) couldn't find work. Many poor Faunus would then blame the Dust Co- making them ideal to be recruited by the White Fang. While a long-con like that could be pulled off if Atlas wanted to eliminate the White Fang/Faunus that would ever be against them, it would be more profitable & stable for Jacques to keep Faunus employed, win PR points outside of Atlas, and hire disenfranchised Faunus rather than have them join the White Fang.

- Dust reacts badly to other Dust. I.e. If you use a machine and it suddenly leaks it's Dust fuel, it all goes sky high. But with how advanced Atlas are, there's no reason this should happen. Unless there's some Chernobyl style

incident where hand-mining is needed due to making sure there's 0% chance of happening… Then Illia talks about how a chain reaction happened in the mine.

But I don't think we'll ever get any of the above.

TBH with how advanced Atlas is- there's no reason they shouldn't be an antagonistic force. Their elite are all shit-bags, so their government can't be far behind. They want comfort, they are trading away the time using those comforts (dust as fuel) to people they could annihilate. Hell, I bet the flying ships we saw from Haven are based on tech or outright made by Atlas. The rest of the world seems in line with our level of tech- if maybe a few years ahead. Or even medieval in the small villages. Atlas (or rather its military) seems 100+ years ahead of the rest of the world.

With the exception of loss of life on their side (which they can avoid with robots) Atlas could probably take over the world. The only thing holding them back is how quickly they can build & support a force (unless they fear Huntsmen and Huntress with powerful semblances). Like I said earlier- you'd need to research history & warfare to work out why a nation with a superior technology and a culture that promotes them as being better/self-centered would not go to war (and if it's just "they need a reason" then you know reasons can be invented).

>>35632

> Even she was surprised when people starting saying that Texas deserved to get hit wiith a hurricane for helping to elect Trump.

Same with how Blake's VA caught shit for saying they probably won't make Bumblebee canon.

The left tend to have tiers of insanity nowadays. And some people on lower tiers are either bullied or converted into higher tiers, or they wind up getting treated harshly/harassed. Then the person winds up re-examining their beliefs (why would people on my side be acting like this), or disassociate (they're just lunatics and don't represent my ideals or beliefs). Honestly with the crazier the likes of Antifa are getting (even lefty MSM outlets are condemning Antifa to try and distance themselves), we may see RT make none too subtle condemnation of them (i.e. violence out of hatred on either side is wrong- human or faunus- a message they'd have probably had anyway but made more obvious). Even with the divide in RT (workers and content makers/actors/upper crust), they're gonna be people who butt heads because someone won't find someone else virtuous enough. The question is who'll be left standing. Either RT will adapt and become more neutral, or go hard left and burn-up. The more the staff see shit like what Anna did, the more likely the former will happen IMO.

> Seeing Weiss attempt to meet her father halfway would have been all the setup that was needed. If she'd tried, even a little, to accommodate his wishes, she'd be more sympathetic. Even if she'd only pretended to give Jacques what he wanted in order to get what she wanted

I can see her knowing attempts like that would fail- her family being "our way or you're not family"- but you're right, there's no reason she shouldn't try to reach out to others at the party in desperation (like the guy who flirted initially), or even because she's used to speaking freely in Vale. Hell, even if you didn't want to show her getting more stressed- having her get upset and trying to keep it bottled, or interrogating that one lush over her comments (then when dad tells her to knock it off she argues with him rather than the whole room)- then her Semblance goes off, it'd make more sense. We needed to see the fuse tick down before one last incident to make her blow up, or her trying to play smart and cracking under the pressure as she's stone-walled by her peers (no violent "fuck you", but an internal "I give up" and her sorrow causes her semblance to kick off).

IMO- while Weiss is emotional, being she's someone that's been told to be cool & collected all her life- exploding with set up is better. What she said (maybe some minor tweaks. She's angry so emotional-based arguments and generalizations are understandable) would have been fine if we'd have seen stuff that would make someone like Weiss lose her cool like that.

I.e. On top of building stress for the show, seeing how the lower class in Atlas are treated in a new light, seeing how ignorant & self-centered her peers are, realizing she's now a stranger in her own nation- the breaking point being the guests find out the painter of the commemorative painting for charity was a Faunus and they heckle him/her as they try to make a heart-felt speech. A few snide comments made by drunks and assholes making even those who disagree with how it's said struggle to stifle their laughter over what they feel are non-verbal truths finally said out loud (like how the painting is an investment for reselling and the incident would never have happened in Atlas or with Atlas Huntsmen/Huntresses).

Sorry for multiple posts- post too big.

>>35637

Wow, they sure translated RWBY fast over there.

I like Jap. Qrow's voice, it sounds more mature than the original.

>>35640

>IMO- while Weiss is emotional, being she's someone that's been told to be cool & collected all her life- exploding with set up is better. What she said (maybe some minor tweaks. She's angry so emotional-based arguments and generalizations are understandable) would have been fine if we'd have seen stuff that would make someone like Weiss lose her cool like that.

If they wanted to do that and have convey Weiss' bottling herself up, they would have done something with Weiss' scar as a nice symbol of that. Think about it this way. She's house trapped and she is meant to uphold a reputation as the future heiress to the company, yes? It would have worked if the dad suggest Weiss to cover up her scar in the concert, as a way to cover her hunter-fighting past and have other people see she is but an heiress and nothing more. But no, the scar just ends up being just mere aesthetic.

>>35644

Now you mention it, while Atlus prides itself on military (we assume since they renamed the country after the army), her being a great warrior would be expected of the company to boost reputation (she can handle herself in the boardroom and the battlefield).

However, it clashes with the Schnee's "perfect" image. A scar indicates she made a mistake at some point. And being Weiss' sister calls her out on having her footing an inch out of place means that wouldn't be tolerated. And in a world where people have aura to protect themselves from serious injury until it's exhausted- people would think she must have taken a pummeling to get a scar.

Using heavy make-up to cover it up at public events would make sense- even at home to "get her used" to the idea of covering it up. Then when she goes to Beacon she can finally wash it off after opening up a bit (or gets it exposed early to her embarrassment). Which then leads to more development (Blake asking if her father caused the scar after Weiss says growing up was "tough"- she says no, but you get an implication he was indirectly responsible, etc).

Don't get me wrong- I'm sure the scar was chosen for "rule of cool" by Monty (much like Yang's robot arm being better suited for Blake in terms of development and drama potential), but it's shocking to think even little details like that can tell so damn much. Or rather, how what they have now has so much contradiction and dissonance. This show really is the Emperor with no clothes. And now the action's dead, how long will it take for what's said here to trickle down into more mainstream discussion?

>>35648

> That second Webm

There's no way he'd be that dumb to spoil it. Especially after saying he'd keep stuff to himself to avoid spoilers.

Since he mentioned the sister- could it mean Raven is Ruby's mom? Surprise- the woman you idolized is nobody, and your actual mother doesn't care about you!

Which is retarded since Raven is the spitting image of Yang (though if "The Tribe" is all about power, surely having a Grim Nuke like Ruby's silver eyes should mean she'd desire to kidnap her).

Of course, maybe Vic is trolling with the "don't confirm or deny anything." However, seems either the VA's are in the loop about the story even if it doesn't involve their character, or they'll be some revelations with Ruby/Qrow/their family.

Monty writing in advance makes me happy.

> Not that I don't like what Miles & Kerry are doing

Which basically confirms they've added some stuff, or their interpretation of the show bible might be debatable? I just hope they are following Monty's vision for the show (We can't do this, not in Trump's America!- we need to show the world we're against him and those ideals we think they have!). I still would encourage them to be more free with execution of that plot- Monty was an animator first and a story-writer… elsewhere (again, how much of the story errors was from 1-3 were Monty, and how much was M&K), but seeing how they've executed it so far is… Yeah.

Longer episodes! More show don't tell! More tell in the show and less WOR! Make my ideas canon! Etc.

I haven't got any more writing images, so here's a bunch of links I saved and should really read some time. Some are blogs and from places you'd never expect anything decent to come from.

http://io9.com/7-deadly-sins-of-worldbuilding-998817537

http://terribleminds.com/ramble/2011/08/02/25-ways-to-fuck-with-your-characters/

http://everydaywriter.tumblr.com/post/69471092475/best-friends-forever-writing-close-friendships

http://techgnotic.deviantart.com/journal/Brian-Kesinger-Character-Driven-489740238

http://referenceforwriters.tumblr.com/

http://www.writingclasses.com/InformationPages/index.php/PageID/303

http://fictionwriting.about.com/od/genrefiction/tp/mysteryrules.htm

http://thepenspointofview.tumblr.com/

http://writerswrite.co.za/the-top-10-tips-for-plotting-and-finishing-a-book

http://gaslight.mtroyal.ca/vandine.htm

http://www.typetrigger.com/