/rwby/ - RWBY

>In Volume 4, “the major themes were overcoming grief and loss,” said Luna. “Volume 5 is about picking yourself back up and getting stronger.”

>Gray said that “RWBY” Volume 4 was a creative risk for the team, because the four lead characters split up and have been walking separate paths. At the start of the fifth season, “questions remain about whether they get back together,” he said. (It seems all but certain that the girls will be reunited.)

>More twists are promised for Volume 5: “We refer to it as ‘Monty-ness’ – something you didn’t expect,” Luna said. That’s a reference to Monty Oum, the Rooster Teeth animator who created “RWBY.”

>Oum, who was a key animator on Rooster Teeth’s “Red vs. Blue” franchise, died in February 2015. Gray noted that the audience for “RWBY” is still divided, with simmering controversies about whether the show is remaining true to Oum’s vision. “Monty was always pushing to do something new,” said Gray.

>The production budget for “RWBY” Volume 5 has grown threefold compared with the early seasons. The latest season has a production crew of 80 people, mostly based at Rooster Teeth’s Austin, Texas, headquarters. The animation is done in-house, with the actors wearing performance-capture suits to create the basis of the scenes.

>Going forward, Rooster Teeth could produce as many as 12 seasons of “RWBY,” and the team has story arcs outlined that would take the show that far. “The story does have a definitive ending with the four girls,” Luna said.

>In addition to the show itself, Rooster Teeth also on Oct. 14 will premiere a behind-the-scenes weekly series, “CRWBY: Behind the Episode,” about the making of the show. Then on Oct. 17, it will debut the “RWBY Rewind” live aftershow, hosted by Rooster Teeth’s Yssa Badiola and Chad James to catch up on the most recent episode with the cast and crew and provide sneak peeks at the next episode.

‘RWBY’ Volume 5 Creative Team on What to Expect and Haters Who Think It’s Not Actual Anime

http://variety.com/2017/digital/news/rwby-volume-5-preview-anime-controversy-1202582571/

http://archive.is/0dDJ3

>>35714

>>35713

Where did you get this shit from? Links?

>>35714

>That closeup on Yang

Damn, this is the first time anything from the show looked arsthetically pleasing.

>Yang looking aesthetically pleasing

>Ozcar meeting up with RNJR

>Weiss still fighting summoned grimm apparently

>Blake actually doing something worth a damn

>everyone's having their own mansions and cathedrals

>Angry Salem

>Mysterious Raven

it's so strange. I can't decided if that was a actual good trailer or not. It showed a lot, but not a lot piqued my interest. mostly because I only know what Blake and the Villains are doing. Yang smashing that dude in the face serves no purpose if I don't know the intent of it. same goes for RNJR and the McMansion they're in. Lionheart, we know he's going to be in the same plot as the villains, but he's a new character, so a flash on the screen isn't much to go on.

>>35719

Only if the audio is better than that webm. Can't be helped since it's a leak but yknow.

>>35720

Don't forget it reshowed stuff from the Weiss and Blake trailers.

Though it does show new footage of Weiss doing a heat wave. So maybe she bumps into her sister and she gets them to attack/capture her (acting as a callback to the trailer and showing how Weiss has improved). That or it's another flashback that'll inspire her, or give her an idea to get around a problem. It also shows I think her knight summon falling through clear blue skies. Atlas usually is shown at night, or with light pouring through the windows obscuring the outside world with what we've seen so far. Does this mean Weiss is getting out of Atlas in this season, or are we just gonna see more of Atlas? Or was that something else in white armor (a mecha)?

Wonder how come Ruby and Yang didn't get a trailer.

Glad they're making it obvious the White Fang aren't just "Gimmedats & Dindus"- but actual full blown supremacists using history to legitimize and recruit others. Though I think that'll be a critique of certain IRL groups rather than others that they more closely behave like. They could have kept Atlus as the MAGA equivalent, but having bad Faunus with motives they'd never usually show on a minority means they have the potential to craft a good story. But it'll probably boil down to "don't judge or be afraid of a group because some of them literally want to kill and replace you."

The only irks I have is under what condition Qrow tells Ruby about Raven and the Spring Maiden- something he didn't before. Sure he nearly died, but I hope his desperation of getting them involved comes across.

The biggest plot one is that it seems not only is Adam managing to do something that'll let him take over all of Haven ("The largest of the Kingdoms"- unless it's mostly fields and mountains)- which kind of undersold how big the group is, but at the same time RNGR are gonna track down Raven. Unless the idea is "get the Spring Maiden to stop Adam"- which is the mother of all hail mary's. They need to play careful with this (If Adam had the power to take over Haven, why didn't he use it to take a smaller place like Mistral- especially during the chaos of the Vytal Festival? If he got more power- how? etc. if they had ever shown Faunus being abused, then saying after the Vytal Festival more radical Faunus saw it and joined since the White Fangwas "making progress"- not to mention humans abusing Faunus out of fear just made more that could join their ranks.)

The other is how un-oriental Lionheart looks. Mistral is American/Western Europe inspired, Atlas is Eastern + Classic Europe inspired, and both have their people dress to match. So far- Haven has been shown to be Japanese inspired (even the outskirts). Yet, Lionheart looks out of place. We'd assume he would be a native of the Kingdom, since the schools were set up so each Kingdom would raise their own and promote peace- a job ideal for a local. I know Japan took a lot of influence from the outside world including clothes & suits, and I hardly expected him to be in a full blown shogun kimono with that little hair antenna thing. But nothing about his design says "I am a headmaster of the Not-Japan Kingdom".

Bottom line- it seems like they have the flair to look good. And that'll be enough to keep them ticking over with normalfags. Look semi-good, have an overarching mystery or plot, and enough reach to make sure you can get the lowest common denominator the world over.

But they need to do a ton of work to patch plot holes, show/explain shit that needed to be in earlier (the only time you obscure shit is when you want it to pay off later), and of course get the fight scenes back up to snuff. And what we've seen in the Weiss and Blake trailers does not rise my confidence in that.

Gonna keep watching via webms with you guys.

Higher quality version is out.

>>35721

>Wonder how come Ruby and Yang didn't get a trailer.

Tbh, Volume 4 was the Ruby Trailer, and Yang is just like her personality, she's just there for the ride.

>They could have kept Atlus as the MAGA equivalent, but having bad Faunus with motives they'd never usually show on a minority means they have the potential to craft a good story.

Yes, but you also have to understand that they're basing Faunus/Human on 1960s Civil rights movements, and by that I mean in which MLK became black Jesus, walked over the Edmund Pettus and suddenly Inclusion. Never mind the guns of the state were pointed at whites to force them to integrate.

>don't judge or be afraid of a group because some of them literally want to kill and replace you."

So they went from American Blacks to Black Muslims. This will be fun.

>The other is how un-oriental Lionheart looks.

Just going to take a shot in the dark here and say that Lionheart isn't a Mistrali. if he had a more Japanese-ish name, like Akagi or Soryu, then maybe. Also, you have to understand that the Wizard of oz motif is now in play, and that usually overrides everything else.

>But they need to do a ton of work to patch plot holes, show/explain shit that needed to be in earlier (the only time you obscure shit is when you want it to pay off later), and of course get the fight scenes back up to snuff.

Same RWBY, Different Volume.

>>35725

At least they are listening to some critique, and know in theory how to improve.

Now we just hope they put the right things on paper.

The big frustration is with the holes early on, we've all theorized head canon or how we'd have done it. And it's gonna be hard for the writers to do outdo that. They have to bail out the boat as it leaks- we can just imagine what it'd be like if it was executed perfectly for us individually the first time around.

>>35727

Joke's on you, they're using Tumblr suggestions to make the improvements!

To be serious, I don't take much stock in saying they'll improve this time around. Every time a volume came out, it seems like, at best, was 2 steps forward on one area, 2 steps back on another. Monty's death crippled the fighting animation, something that can be felt to this day. There's also the way a lot of episodes in Volume 4 were just so slow and boring, one can't help but feel they're trying to go more story based.

Also consider the mash of cultures that going on in Mistral. Pyrrha was a Mistrali, a very popular one, and it was heavily implied that she took on her city culture, which would be a Greek type of culture. but now it's all but confirmed Mistral is Not!Japan, which begs the question: Where does Pyrrha fit in this? If we want to take it to the Meta-level, why the hell would you give Yang her name if you were going to make a city-state based on an Asian nation?

>>35730

> a lot of episodes in Volume 4 were just so slow and boring

you mean all of them

Good news, the VAs for team RWBY talk!

Bad news, it's in a kinda vagina monologue-light podcast thing. (They get sloshed and talk more openly about relationships and sex).

The only other time they might have talked about RWBY on this show is the "big in Japan" episode, but that might just be about the figurine of Yang.

Even the guy who does the highlight reels hasn't done highlights for this show in a while.

I will endure and report back.

Blake says, if Adam succeeds in toppling Haven, "it's only going to make things worse for the Faunus". Worse than what? Everyone saw the White Fang at the fall of Beacon unleashing Grimm and gleefully participating in the slaughter. Nothing changed for them. V4 didn't even mention the Faunus as a whole, they only showed one newscast that mentioned Adam Taurus. The never even mentioned any backlash against the Faunus or White Fang in the kingdoms. So why would this time, this school's collapse, be any different?

>>35733

Always Open is just their "sex talk" show. Disengage before its too late, anon.

>>35734

Because, if I have to hazard a guess, He wants to use Shock and Awe tactics against humans. By Taking Vale (during a tournament with extremely heavy security) and Mistral out, it weakens Atlas as a whole and Vacuo is cut off from Mistral. By doing that, it could cut off supplies for the Faunus of Vacuo or Menagerie, thus ruining the societies that the WF wants to save.

>>35733

https://youtu.be/A9aJFtopKcw?t=568 - Challenging each other to draw their characters in 30 seconds (they also drew each other IRL in the bit before it)

https://youtu.be/A9aJFtopKcw?t=989

https://youtu.be/A9aJFtopKcw?t=1306

https://youtu.be/A9aJFtopKcw?t=1545

RWBY Volume 5 Discussion. Goes off topic A LOT.

Key points:

> VAs shocked how many people have watched RWBY. Millions, global audience, some people who like RWBY don't know what Achievement Hunter or even Rooster Teeth is, etc etc.

> They find it freaky how they are the voices of "cartoons" that people are growing up with. Not to mention how they used to ask VAs they like how they got into it- and now people are asking them. However, they quickly emphasize their situation was different and involved a lot of luck. They do promote networking to make it possible to get that luck however. Even giving demo-tapes at conventions to industry people.

> Lindsy & Kara says some very young kids don't believe they voice their characters. Possibly because they're so young they can't tell why mom/dad is telling them a stranger is a cartoon. Barbra and Ayrn explain how it's different for them since they use their normal voices- and Kara just puts on some different inflections for Weiss.

> Lindsy admits/feels Ruby in Chibi is "kind of a little shit & mischievous".

> Barbra and co admit they blank when they get asked "say your fave line" at cons.Aryn usually goes with "…Right."

> They giggle over Blake's "Some day, they're coming" speech and Ayrn wishes she could re-do it despite loving it at the time.

> Yang's "If you feel like coming out tonight" line to Blake sparking Bumblebee.

> Lindsy pranks Kara in the hotel at cons.

https://youtu.be/A9aJFtopKcw?t=2217

Ask them anything. From this point on it's not RWBY related.

>>35734

I assume it's a "fan the flames" kinda deal. If it won't blow up now, it'll be much worse when it does. Or incidents are happening and they never make the cut.

And yeah- I know what it is. HemboHero does highlights of RT's content, and sometimes it's appeared on the monthly/weekly highlight reel (usually the earlier episodes of Always Open). They have a scream and some of it is pretty funny, but then they get to the sex/agony aunt bit and that's where you can tune out.

A lack of well animated fight sequences, despite being the 3rd season after Monty's death.

Nora, Ren and Qrow all die at the end of vol.5, but they prevent Salem from getting the artifact.

Yang, after getting rejected by Blake, goes on a PTSD rampage and gets thrown into an Atlus prison.

Ruby, distraught, teams with Weiss, making their way to another school with Janue and the farmboy.

Farmboy is revealed to be a back up body for Ozpin in case Ozpin's body died. The body Ozpin dies in isn't his real one.

Blake is severely injured by Adam in some form or regard and Son saves her.

My predictions.

>>35616

>Maybe if fanus had the possibility of going berserk due to them being half animal out of no where then maybe I could see it but this shit is weak.

I know this is a pretty late post to reply, but Kuma's alternate universe story Henceforward pretty much had it written that there was a correlation with Faunus being Grimms

>>35740

I wasn't on board for most of these except for the Oscar/Ozpin part. Considering the inspiration "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain"- the first thing you see isn't Ozpin it makes sense. Though I wouldn't go as far as suggesting Oscar was designed/created/sired just to be Ozpin's body. Like the Maidens- his soul enters another, in his case random or specific guidelines.

I can't see them killing off someone like Nora/Ren. Maybe a fake death with Qrow since I imagine he'd die closer to the big fight with Salem. I can see Yang rejecting Blake but not vice-versa. Blake thinks Yang is dead, and Yang (rightly) thinks Blake abandoned the team.

>>35742

Care to post to post that in the How To Fix RWBY thread? Seeing someone else propose an alt. universe would be interesting.

I wanted to write up something similar myself, but I didn't know if there'd be any interest.

>>35743

IMO, there needs to be meaningful deaths this chapter. Vol.4 felt worse without it, and for Qrow not to die after that build up by him getting poisoned is shit, IMO.

>>35744

The Problem with Death is that it's a hard balancing act to do once you start it. Who should die? Why? How? If they die, what happens to his/her friends or family? If there was a plot line with him/her, what happens? Pyrrha's death was worthless, and NO repercussion that came in Volume 4.

>>35745>>35745

>Pyrrha's death was worthless

So was Penny's death. I always like Pyrrha's death because at least RT couldn't back pedal when it came to her character (since she's fucking gone). I guess that was wishful thinking, since she's guaranteed to come back. I really hate that shit. Why kill her and bring her back? These retards can't do anything right.

>The Problem with Death is that it's a hard balancing act to do once you start it

You're right, and M&K clearly don't have the skill to handle it. I think Qrow dying could serve as an important reason for Ruby to grow as a character, but the writers will inevitably fuck this up should they decide to kill off Qrow (like by making Jaune grow as a result instead.)

>>35745

A key point of storytelling is that the audience only cares about the characters in the world. You could have that world burned down and they won't give a damn. Have one of the characters suffer, and their heart will bleed for them (if they liked them).

Despite not liking it's tone shift, I think the Vytal Festival attack needed to have more people die. People the audience cared about. Have a few minor characters (Cordin's team-mates and some of the people in the tournament) but then someone on-par with Team CFFE or even Porter. The more the audience thinks "oh my god they killed X off" the more exciting/suspenseful it is when other characters are injured. Make them think no one is safe. Even though Nora, Ren, Jaune and RWBY would survive- the tournament has an effect on the audience. They lost characters they liked, survivors they liked are affected by it, and the audience can empathize easier with characters when they say they feel devastated by the event.

While Jaune's been nothing but fucking useless (due to bad writing- even though he's supposed to be a tactician), Pyrrha's death should have hit him harder. Being frustrated his training is failing without her guidance. That he's "disgracing her memory" by going backwards. That without her kind words- he can't do it. He's forced to fight like a professional hunter, he can't, and he lost the one person who could have made him better than he is. That training via the phone should have had him raging and smacking hell out of a tree, or he gets into an argument with Ruby as she offers a pep-talk and reveals he faked his way into Beacon.

And of course, the audience should have felt something for Phyrrah dying. Most did, but it needed something to truly tear the audience's heart out (like when Yang lost her arm). It's hard to make an audience relate to someone who feels isolated because she's "perfect & unapproachable". Maybe they should have emphasized her loneliness, her eagerness to finally make friends, the stress of being put on a pedestal- and the sacrifice to become a Maiden tipping her over the edge.

>>35746

What this anon said. Qrow dying would finally give Ruby much needed growth. Ruby needs to experience despair. She's boring otherwise as a character. Ren and Nora, IMO, have completed their arcs. All that's really left for them to do is ship them together.

>>35749

Apart from the SSSN and INDG fight (and a few other moments) - Volume 3's fights weren't that bad considering they had only bits and pieces of Monty's work.

IIRC, Yang Vs. Mercury was the last thing fully done by him, with some scatterings of later events. I'd argue the fight between Pyrrah and Cinder (at least the bits before the tower's roof is blown off) is all Monty.

And they really needed to show Pyrrah bursting into flames rather than pixie dust. And the idea of Jaune being semi-responsible for her death would have given his self-hared over his failings more weight.

>>35750

Not even that. Her key trait- the thing core to her character- is her innocence. She believes working together can always over come evil, and that they can be heroes who save the day with no downsides.

Volume 4 she could have learned that she can't save everyone. She has to move away from villages to progress with her overall mission, despite knowing she's leaving them vulnerable. She can't cheer up team-mates with a positive speech (if she discussed Jaune's self doubt more, or the argument with Nora & Ren about going through their old village). She learns that she's still not a perfect fighter, and people can die on her watch- like Qrow getting poisoned. In fact, Qrow getting poisoned should have been her wake-up call to "you can't save everyone, no matter how hard you try. You can give 100%- and the world might not improve, or get worse". She kinda touches on this in her letter home, but instead it's just keep-your-chin-up stuff.

Challenging a character's core is often a big part of character arcs.

Weiss' core is (arguably) what's expected of her, and who she wants to be. Something that changed at her time in Beacon- and seeing more of Atlus in a new light making her conflicted (despite no real love for her father- her sense of duty to her country and Schnee Co. that's been hammered into her for years- and now coming to terms with "shits not how it should be"). Her losing her chance to reshape Atlas via her heir-ship should have been devastating. She's had to retreat- to give up. Does she try to meetup with RWBY, or fix Atlus in other ways?

Yang's core is her confidence. Keep pushing and it'll all turn out alright. Except they resolved PTSD in a flash.

Blake's core is… something? It's certainly some form of trauma or psychosis ("If I get attached to people, they'll get hurt") and the fact her worse fears came true should have been more interesting. She softened up to Sun finding her a little too quick- but I can't really pin down why it didn't work since there wasn't much to go on.

Ren getting over his "cowardice" would have been grand if we saw it before hand (i.e. after using his semblance to "mute" emotions, he struggles to maintain his own- like a panic attack or shellshock). Jaune should have been able to regain his confidence as a tactician- except he never came up with anything smart or had a time to shine.

What even was Nora's arc? She was comic relief who wanted to ride Ren's bones. Again, maybe if she was acting as someone who always comforted Ren when he freaked out- then having to address/confront it in the village with the hearty slap and "we need you!" speech would have helped her grow (rather than be someone who mothers her friends, someone who has to learn to tell friends when they are wrong)- but yes, killing their arcs that early is a bad call IMO.

>>35751

> First Webm

Monty did stuff all good writers do- write from what you know and who you know. He just took it super literal. I hope this is something M&K does (but not letting VAs dictate what to do- obviously).

Hell, the stuff they say about the characters is stuff we'd like to see more in the show. Volume 3 and prior I'd say no one is out of character. Volume 4 had a few cracks which we're told is stuff we should have known earlier.

If this is all in Monty's bible- anyone could remake this show into something amazing. Though you may have to rewrite some stuff to make it flow better- which comes down to personal opinion and what you want to give to what kind of audience.

> Second Webm

I feel like the writers got told more than what was shown i.e. the character's mental state. As said time and again- that whole episode should have been the stress of the show combined with many incidents of Atlas' high society being dicks to push her over the edge.

>>35754

> That's just how good Dillon is. He understands the principles and is self-taught. Remember that Shane was scouting Dillon for the show before RT hired him.

So how come they never used him in Volume 4?

Did they salt the earth of everything Shane wanted after… Whatever he did? **I believe half of Shane's letter, but I won't lie that his own fanboyism might have skewed a lot of info within. As a way to discredit him, it's perfect. Whether its true or not I can't find concrete

proof one way or the other**

I've seen Dillon's work on here before. I'll post his latest (his humor is a little weird, but that's not the focus).

>>35755

Is this still the usual singer?

Also, surprisingly un-dynamic intro.

I like the song from what I hear, seems a little bit better in fighting- but still the sluggish "western" pace of fighting.

>>35756

>Did they salt the earth of everything Shane wanted after… Whatever he did?

I genuinely believe they did They are a big enough company to burn that tree and all of it's branches and come away fine.

>I believe half of Shane's letter, but I won't lie that his own fanboyism might have skewed a lot of info within.

Well there was factual evidence about some of the things he said. For an example, he didn't like how they transition from local computers holding data to a central datapoint, something that Miles confirms in Volume 3. And the move to Maya, something that was also confirmed, way before anything was announced.

He also got backing from Kathleen and one of the Volume 1 RWBY animators that worked closely with Monty. it was a chick, and I forgot her tumblr.

>>35758

So is it a case that he just spilled spaghetti and dealt with shit in the worst way possible (he couldn't work for RT because of "temper tantrums" or sperg outs), or was his only crime really wanting to get the cash cow back under Monty's foot?

(not that he should have given it up in the first place. Make a contract for one season, see what people think, then you have them over a barrel if it's a hit and can make more demands)

>>35759

Truthfully, I don't know. IIRC, From Shane's accounting, Sheena is the one who gets fucked sideways after Monty's death. it seemed that as soon as Monty died, MK wanted to take it and make it become their thing, while Shane and Sheena wanted to stay by Monty's vision, Sheena actually knew what plot points Monty wanted in RWBY by being with him as he animated all night, talking about RWBY as he did so.

>>35760

And even then, we have conflicting reports of RT hating Sheena like poison long before Monty's death.

Either because she had him wrapped around her finger, was treating him like shit, and/or whispering in his ear to get the show back under his control or force a "Do X or I walk" deal.

Anyway, there's another thread for the details of that.

>>35762

This is where two narrative collide and I don't know which one is closer to reality.

Shane was airtight with Monty and the crew. and from his account, Sheena was someone who loved Monty and RWBY, and RT treated her like dirt.

The 8chan thread put the narrative out that Sheena treated him like shit and as soon as the burial was done, took the money and ran.

it's overemotional man talking about his mentor's life vs Anons who make a narrative out of what they can see.

>>35678

And he did one more.

Technically should be in the How To Fix RWBY thread, but I figured putting his work here with the rest would be better.

In short, he says Monty's Rule of Cool still follows storytelling. I.e. offers exposition and lorebuilding. Albeit- sometimes characters do shit in a moment of "cool" they never do later (like Ren's pressure point fighting)