/rwby/ - RWBY

>Provide input on it if you want

Still better than Infinite Next.

>>2189

Monty's death was an inside job.

>>2194

We should look into that.

>>2195

Didn't you guys already look into that in the season 3 thread. It looks like his wife is mostly to blame.

>>2196

Yes, we should move that discussion to this thread, investigate deeper.

>>2197

I'm the one who blew the whistle on that cover up. I'll be down to help you guys but school sucks up all my time atm.

>>2198

We'll think up something, what we need is the best proof we can get, know what is real and what isn't. Make up a presentable document we spread out so the fire rises.

>>2194

JEWS DID 2/1

JET FUEL CAN'T MELT STEEL OUMS

>>2205

>could

Couldn't god damn I am messing up everything right now

>>2204

In one of the shoots of her in like mesh shit with a blank ass face, you can see like a stretchmark on the side of her tit through the mesh

>>2209

>and the tits are not as spectacular with the push-up bra.

Correction: without the push-up bra

>>2212

"Don't think you can murder our senpai and get away with it!"

>>2213

Honestly sensible person would think this is fishy. They were only married one year and then the husband dies from allergies. I assume that both knew each other for a long time so Sheena would know about his allergies and not try to bring a fucking cat into their home

>>2217

any sensible person

>>2217

Some people are asinine about pets. Pets, especially multiple ones, are a fucking nightmare depending their personality. For cats, the best one for me is one that spends most time outside, but is let indoors for food, or if it's real fucking cold. If the pet's owner is really shitty, the pet rules the owner's life. I can only imagine the cost of supporting such a shitty pet that 'll break shit because of no discipline everything. Additional pets are a multiplier.

One pet, where nobody in the household is allergic to it, that's all you need.

Two pets at a maximum.

Three or more and you're probably fucked.

>>2217

From my research, (im the guy who read a thread so long about her the scroll bar was smaller than an asian mans penis) she was still dating the guy she ripped off to pay her debt, cosplayed as weiss and seduced monty at a con. He didn't know her for THAT long.

Woman needs green card, gets married, man dies, she moves to LA

>>2223

We need a timeline on how far back their relationship goes.

Click on the professional tab, the companies she worked with are Canadian.

http://www.sheenaduquette.com/about/

Not much else listed after 2014, what does she do now professionally? Or does she just cosplay now since 2/1 passed? Maybe she stopped updating it.

The twitter handle posted on the site is dead too, likely wiped clean at some point.

https://twitter.com/sheenie_weenie

>>2226

>>2227

The only shit related to 3d or what ever she claims to have done with her degree is shitty 3d models that look like edited fucking jester bases, fucked up noses etc. There is no evidence that she worked for anything that she claims, no portfolio or anything. Barbara needed a work visa to move from canada to work for rt, still need one even if ur from canadia bruh.

Theres only like ONE animation that 'she' did from college, and its said that it was a GROUP project. Theres even a video of her being interviewed by a local news station after she made it.

If you think she is russian, you should see the cosplay stream she did where the whole time she did a shitty russian accent.

On the note of not doing anything she claims, she did post a few pics from when she was in school with a desk that had keyframes from that animation on it though.

>>2227

She's Canadian.

>>2230

Shit probably should have know. When I heat white person and green card. I think of Russian mail order brides. I should have known she was from Canada. I assumed because Canadians fucking hate us even though they come down for our better healthcare

>>2234

also by beter healthcare I mean that we have better medical technology and less waiting times

Regardless, the green card theory can be one factor to consider, makes plenty of sense too. Get that green card and she can cosplay to her heart's desire on the West Coast.

>>2238

Oum's actual blood family better at least be getting some of that money.

https://twitter.com/montyoum?lang=en

Alright I was looking through his twitter and found that he got the cat sometime in mid october so we should be looking at what sheena did during that month.

Wasn't there an incident where he walked off in the middle of a podcast or panel with next to no explanation, then came back on?

It was handwaved as him being a bit tired or needing the bathroom- but many suspected he was ill.

Problem is he worked so hard he made him self ill most of the time anyway. Then again, was that something else?

Here's Archive.is

Save everything. I'd bet Rooster Teeth people browse this place, and they'd nuke accounts to hide info.

They'd be as pissed at who drove Monty to death as we are (more so), but they'd not want to risk all this drama around the series- if not for the audience then the staff (the first panel post-Monty they begged the audience not to ask questions about Monty while holding back tears).

This'll hurt like a bitch, but tread softly. Justice is more important, but lets not be hostile to the rest of the team who lost their friend.

>>2247

This little investigation might be a little too big for our small board to handle.

How about bringing some other boards on board? Or is that too risky?

>>2249

They're good at starting fires, also /bane/ is probably the best bunch of anons in the history of imageboards. Definitely not hotheads.

They would love the footage of Ironwood's plane crash.

He didn't fly so well.

Though for now I think we can handle this ourselves, if it has the potential to be big, then we ought to get help.

I can only imagine how far /pol/ would go, they've got quite a fervor at times.

A side note what the fuck is going on with shane newville? That mother fucker tweets the vaguest shit I've ever seen. 'I left rt' now it looks like he left his family and moved or some shit, what with talking about traveling north and now a tweet with him unboxing shit and setting up a desk.

>>2248

not yet, we need more evidence and leads. If we want to get /bane/ and /pol/ involved. If it involves Jews or degeneracy then /pol/ would definitely get involved.

>tfw when /pol/lack

anyway I will start digging some more.

>>2262

It seems like she's a self-obsessed weirdo, but I think that of everyone with a blog.

Seriously guys, chill. I like conspiracy theories as much as the next guy, and I understand wanting to blame someone for a great loss, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

People who are allergic to cats may adopt them regardless; Monty wasn't the only one, I recall Awkward Zombie doing a strip on the subject. He figured Joe the cat was proof it was pretty safe, rolled the dice, and critical fumbled. Shit happens.

Also, what's up with the obsession on whether or not Sheena got herself a boobjob?

>>2271

Nice try sheena

>>2271

Truth doesn't fear investigation.

>>2278

Fair enough. Just… watch it & keep your heads cool, ok? This could really fuck with RT if it goes haywire.

>>2279

I'm sure the 17 of us will refrain from doing the massive damage we are capable of.

>>2280

Everything starts out small.

Rumors especially so.

I mean, the main reason most of us are here in the first place was because of a single blogpost.

>>2328

I miss the recap and the (still 'active') rt life shows. Remember that shill rt life where muscles and tits promoted iphone rc cars? autism. They have lost the small company charm. If you want to spread out and become a big multi-media producer, you gotta make sure you can handle the workload. Countless times I've been watching videos in a playlist on their channel and been earraped by volume changing from one vid to the next.

Does it seem like they mainly talk about richbitch toys on the podcast or is it just me? It used to be stories and interesting stuff, but now it's just them talking about flights, muh tesluh, the latest tech gadget, or fucking product placement. I agree that miles isn't the best writer, but I still like him. I'd love it if they got fucking gus off the god damn podcast and put miles in his place.

>>2328

>>2331

I haven't watched any of their stuff other than RvB (started back around Season 2, great stuff) and RWBY. What sort of things do they make? Is it just slightly more professional letsplays and behind-the-scenes stuff?

>>2345

they /used/ to make behind the scenes things (rt life) of just them recording with their phones when something fun happened. They've done live action shorts, and some series' that flopped hard and they tried to hide (nature town and probably more idk)

>>2328

> He points to letsplay or achievement hunter has degraded in quality a lot especially after Gavin left

I've got a backlog of stuff to watch from them, but he did? I've seen recent vids he's been in (Trouble In Terrorist Town part 3)

>>2350

I think they meant Ray

Activanons, sound off!

No one's gunna post here if no one else is.

>>2428

ayy lmao

I'm usually only here for talking about the show, but I'll help with some advice.

- Look up how Gamergate dig into shit. Basic rules of using algorythms in search engines, but it all helps.

- Archive everything. Once people realize you dig, shit goes missing or edited. Use www.archive.is. If you only have half-proof of something, don't post it. I imagine some members of staff browse this place (not the ones we know of though), and we don't know where loyalties lie. Once you have everything to prove a point, post it. This one you can be a bit more relaxed on if you are struggling (sometimes someone else has the other piece of the puzzle).

- When you post images that are relevant (screencaps, etc) use image editing to add a water mark over the top. This prevents info being posted out on Twitter or similar. Something like "I'm an attention whore" tiled across the whole image. It prevents people trying to feed their own egos by pretending to be "the one who solved the mystery."

My theory is still that everyone knew the wife was making Monty sick, but couldn't say anything. Now it's too late, they feel guilty and can't do shit to her as they lack evidence (not to mention if someone chooses to stay with someone that makes them sick, it's closer to say it's suicide through stupidity instead of murder. Although the Wife could get endangerment since it must have been obvious to her. Still, we want justice. That can sometimes involve just everyone knowing the truth instead of any jail time. Plus, if the Wife is such the "social butterfly", everyone knowing the truth would be punishment enough for her.)

I'm curious though, does anyone know how Sheena gets along with the rest of RT?

I know Shane Newville was best buds with Monty and left RT this january (which, if we go by the Twitter announcement, was news to Kara at the very least).

Who was it that had a rumored violent altercation with Burnie? I seem to remember someone going to the hospital, maybe during RTX.

>>2465

The altercation is news to me and I'd love to hear more about it. During anything livestream with sheena, she would never really talk to anyone and was on her phone the whole time.

Someone said that RWBY uses stolen models (the characters' base models) idk

im sick of these fucking captchas im leaving yall inactive anyway

>>2538

We loved your post.

>>2547

In*

Bush did 2/1.

>>2630

Isn't that the wrong arm?

>>2630

She supposed to have no arm on her right.

Ya done goofed. :^)

>>2681

I've kept an eye on the thread, but I haven't done much snooping due to being busy. I should have a break coming up soon though.

>pic

Did they uncripple FDR?

>>2682

Well for that picture but the guy who does it is very talented. I might post some more later

>>2693

This is an interesting find, is there more stuff about it?

https://lolcow.farm/pt/res/51365.html

Dirt FARM

THESE FUCKING CAPCHAS ARE GETTING RIDICULOUS MOTHER FUCK

>>2693

>>3517

I feel pretty sad for the dA uploader, she got so much undeserved shit for her observations.

Trying to get a translation of the Chinese text.

>>3518

Yeah, sadly that kind of 'bad' fans are everywhere. They get blinded by their fanatism and can't be objective about it anymore, and then shit on the objective fans.

Don't forget to share here if you find something interesting in the chinese text.

>>3517

Yea agreed, from all this digging. I can surely tell people are debating about the models. Other than that, someone needs to make ED page on RT, Oum, and update the RWBY page.

While on the subject of conspiracy, this would be nsfw related. What if it's actually a fact, that some of the models Monty made had nude parts under the clothes layer?

>>3942

As far as I know Monty had a "no nude models" policy on the modeling/animation team (with Velvet being the only exception, because they needed it for the costume design contest.)

>>3945

Good enough, well a friend told me about that stuff. I'm slowly turning into a Crazy Cat person because of that.

>>3960

Because of the lack of nude models? People already made their own models frankenstein style with Grimm Eclipse model's heads and nude bodies.

I guess the nude layer debate is debunked and BTFO.

Two active digging threads on Monty and RT right now. Go and help out!

https://8ch.net/v/res/8694048.html#top

https://8ch.net/v/res/8691699.html#top

http://archive.is/QvEtP

Archived just in case the thread 404'd.

https://archive.is/rmIkN

https://archive.is/Q68mm

https://archive.is/luNt6

Hope these all help in the digging.

BIG SHIT uncovered in the last thread. /v/ worked out basically Sheena is unlikely to be completely innocent.

HW plz

https://archive.is/rmIkN

https://archive.is/Q68mm

https://archive.is/luNt6

Hope these all help in the digging.

BIG SHIT uncovered in the last thread. /v/ worked out basically Sheena is unlikely to be completely innocent.

>>4621

There is pretty disturbing stuff on the /v/ threads, specially the screenshots taken from Monty's facebook. I'm checking the Sheena threads on /pt/ now. They are pretty great, because they go directly to the grain.

Any active threads on it right now? Was out of the loop for several hours, just got back.

>>4864

>>>8694048 on /v/ and lolcow.farm/pt/res/211596.html are active and relevant.

The /pt/ threads are long and disturbing as fuck. After reading them I'm not able to see Sheena as an human being anymore.

>>4993

>>>8694048 on /v/

Protip: >>>/v/8700203

So Monty Oum's wedding happend at May 10th, 2014. Just about a five day gap before the cat tweet.

Is this sheer coincidence?

HS pls

>>5180

It also happened a couple of days before Sheena's visa expired.

>sheer coincidence?

Doubt it.

http://archive.is/fsWSA

Archived the second digging ground in case of 404.

Y'know, we should think in a different perspective. The doctor who is treating Mr. Oum, any anons that knows Oum's hospital we need the medical record to know if the doctor is Legit or quack.

>>5685

It's a nice idea.

I'm insterested in what kind of doctor would allow to disconnect him after only one week, Is very little time, specially for a young guy. And how much was his family involved with that? Did they even authorize? According to what I have read, his family got the news 3 days after he went in the coma..

That kind of detailes make everything look weird, unclean and suspicious.

>>5685

>>5716

Looking into Oum's doctor isn't a bad idea.

>cutting life support

That question also needs to be raised, but not until we get some answers.

First of all, we need to find out what hospital he was taken to.

>>5717

Well let's narrow it down to Austin, TX. Now we have to find the hospital in this area.

>>5944

This.

>>5944

>>6066

Well if no one is interested on doing it, I'll make it later.Should I keep it here? Or should I make a post on halfchan's /x/ too?

>>6152

>post it on halfchan's/x/

Anon you absolute madman, you know halfchan can datamine people. (well if you heard the current news about halfchan having a new owner from 2ch.)

>>6221

True I forgot about that. Let's keep it here then.

https://forum.encyclopediadramatica.se/threads/roosterteeth-info-search.24481/

If anybody is interested of sharing info for the ED article, feel free to share more info on Rooster Teeth.

We're still looking more into Monty's death tho. So best we have to dig up more dirt.

On the MMD model scandal, I think its a misunderstanding. I forget how I made this connection, but those textures and shit (the skin and eye textures in the one image calling RT out) are from a fan made rwby model pack that came out long before the RWBY:GE. something to look into. That would make sense that they are just copies of the miku skin. But yang's boots still got explaining to do. same with cringelords hair

>>8774

If I recall correctly, I have read that Monty and Sheena were on some anime/comic event somewhere, and it was just there when he started feeling bad, cancelled his public appareance at the event, they went back to Austin (I guess) and then he got hospitalized, so I'm not sure where exactly he was when it happened. Will have to recheck those old lolcow threads.

>>10448

Yeah, it probably happened, since the fan-made models look really a lot like the original models (See >>3517), so that mistake would be really easy to make. But people had compared the actual Grimm Eclipse models with MMD models on /v/ recently, still without a conclusive word on it, but still very suspicious.

>>11538

Well since, RWBY Chibi is announced. Are we willing to bet these models were taken?

>>11543

Have you seen them? They look like they asked someone who has never modeled before to make them.

>>13052

I can only assume it's the fight between Cinder and Ozpin. Where it's pitch black and we only see tiny bits of the fight illuminated when they clash, making them look like statues.

>>11543

>>12613

They bare similarity to this:

http://store.steampowered.com/app/266390/

But no info if the guy working on it also works for RT, or if both followed the same guide/tutorial to make their models.

>>17812

I'm legitimately curious how RT will respond to this (if they even acknowledge it).

For all we know, Shane is a sycophantic & incompetent jackass who was only there because Monty liked him.

>>17812

First red flag is "one of the greatest women on earth". Combined with his divorce, I smell cuckoldry.

Second red flag is "meet the new standards". If suddenly having to do the same amount of work as everyone else meant doubling/tripling his workload, he can't have been doing much, especially when compared to Monty's crunchtime output.

Third red flag: "Working with him was really my only reason for being at Rooster Teeth". Well with that attitude, it's little wonder they let him go.

All in all, this stinks like hell.

>>17812

First red flag is "one of the greatest women on earth". Combined with his divorce, I smell cuckoldry.

Second red flag is "meet the new standards". If suddenly having to do the same amount of work as everyone else meant doubling/tripling his workload, he can't have been doing much, especially when compared to Monty's crunchtime output.

Third red flag: "Working with him was really my only reason for being at Rooster Teeth". Well with that attitude, it's little wonder they let him go.

All in all, this stinks like hell.

>>17812

You know whose opinion I want to hear on this? Jeff Williams. He was there working on the project from the very beginning - since composing Red Like Roses for the Red Trailer - and he seemed to have had an incredible amount of emotional investment (see: Cold), while also not being as directly linked with the company as some.

>>17812

>>17820

At the very least haku has commented on this, first by reblogging the letter

http://rockets.tumblr.com/post/144257177241

then answering a question pretty evasively

http://rockets.tumblr.com/post/144261213131

I'm not up to date on her employment situation, how much would she be putting her ass on the line if she talked?

>>17813

Seeing as we're having reports of Dillon's Volume 3 showreel getting taken down by RT just *now*…

>>17832

That does seem wierd, but check this: the company named on the youtube takedown notice is "Rooster Teeth LLC", whereas RT seems to be officially listed as "Rooster Teeth Productions, LLC."

How significant a difference is this? Could this be a false flag that Youtube bought hook, line and sinker?

>>17833

Yeah, could be the case. God damn copyright trolls.

>>17840

Seems like a lot of passive-aggressive bullshit, both ways.

So since this is JJ talking he's probably exaggerating RT's bullshit and downplaying his.

Looks like JJ can join Shane and Sheena on the list of "people who think they shit solid gold".

>>17841

Probably too, but is funny how Shane kisses JJ's ass in the letter, and JJ is just "whatever he is lying anyway"

All I've learned from all of this is that I'm glad Monty's reputation, his self, is beyond this bullshit.

>>17915

Post from one of Monty's brothers. Using a Twitter link because nothing is worth posting a direct link to something as cancerous as Facebook:

https://twitter.com/RWBYFans/status/731069296227442688

>>17915

RT is a niche media company, not a national television. Nobody involved is connected to politics in any big way. This can die and be forgotten very easily. If there is dirt to be found in this, it will get swept under the rug or archived to be used when someone involved will want to achieve some political power.

It may feel imporant to us, but in the big picture it's almost irrelevant. Not enough money going on.

http://roosterteeth.com/forum/rwby/topic/3213361?page=20

"Well, another extremely reliable source has told me directly that Sheena wanted to be as involved in RWBY's production as possible, but there was a very good reason for not hiring her that I'm not at liberty to share. Suffice it to say that she wasn't cut out of anything just for the sake of it."

"The first one, that was brought to me, was an unconfirmed source. My own source is someone who was intimately involved in RWBY's production from start to finish. They aren't breaking any rules or such to tell me, but they're also planning to speak for themselves about it at some point, and I don't want to undercut them."

I'm on the edge of my seat. (hoping this doesn't become Eron 2.0, aka "I could tell you and destroy an asshole's life, but I'm a huge wimp and don't have the balls")

SHEENA = BITCH CONFIRMED???

So we got Shane's letter, and right now we're wondering who dun did it? We should make more digging threads.

>>19049

I'm pretty confident that everyone's guilty by association.

Okay anons, this is the first time i browse /rwby/, i had no idea something of this scale was happening behind the scenes and i need a quick recap of what the fuck is going on.

>>25564

Same. First time here as well. Had no idea any of this was going on.

>>25564

>>25565

Just don't mind the CYOAs. HalfChan's /trash/ used this for CYOAs.

I digress, we've been digging as much as possible to learn the truth on what actually happen to poor Monty. So far my possible theory is a ambitious murder, or the doctor being a quack.

Ever since Shane's letter got out, we might some possible dirt for this.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-H0KuOwKFYwZTJxbXg0SG5CTEE/view

Anyways here's the open letter.

>>23160

POTTERY

So we might get over the possible theories we've got…

>Sheena must've murdered him in a ambiguous way possible

>The doctor might be a quack

>Possible accident?

We need to think further about this.

>>27454

I always wondered how he died from an allergic reaction in a HOSPITAL. At least that's how much I know about the subject.

I never looked into it myself, but I suspected something was afoot, even if it was just sheer incompetence, but the ingenuity of fools is astounding at times.

>>29099

That kind of shit reinforces the idea of the doctor being a quack. Has anybody ever tried to get info on them?

Also keep in mind Monty overworked a lot, and probably messed his sleep schedule to work even more. Just look at how many times they mention him suddenly falling asleep in the middle of doing something, there is even videos of him doing it, and whe he doesn't he seems to be awfully tired. His immune system was probably weak as fuck due to lack of proper rest.

>>29612

That still doesn't sit right with me though.

Don't they give you a "small" dose of anesthetic if you don't know if you are allergic (before putting the rest in)? I can only go by the UK and having local anesthetic for my teeth. Not to mention if it's "routine", then his reaction means it was something that went straight to a vital organ (resulting in the allergic reaction in the worse location) and can't be routine. Or, Monty's allergy was so severe, even a dose in a "routine" area killed him.

So- if it was a bad doctor, why didn't Rooster Teeth raise hell? I can understand not doing anything after the wake of it all, but if it was malpractice, I'd have thought they'd have let the fans know (for closure). Or do they really think online amateur sleuths would dox the doc?

Neither of the above paragraphs ring right to me. IMO, his weakened immune system + cat allergy certainly played a part, but I don't think there's any malpractice. I think there was some "long con" foul play (possibly unintentionally) from Sheena, and his friends couldn't do anything shy of illegal action (as much as we'd all claim to go John Wick on the ass of someone who hurt our friends, I think most people would be paralyzed. Less so after death or serious injury).

Or hell, maybe Monty faked his death to get away from Sheena and he's back with his family in hiding.

>>29615

>Monty's allergy was so severe, even a dose in a "routine" area killed him.

I think this and the weak immune system are the issue here.

Some people have speculated that the "bad" doctor could have be involved in the con, but that sounds like a big stretch to me.

Here's an archive of "the Shane letter" from the other thread

>>30269

https://archive.org/stream/AnOpenLettertoAllWhoTreasuredMontyOum/AnOpenLettertoAllWhoTreasuredMontyOum_djvu.txt

The guy is almost fanatical over Monty. Resulting in some oddities.

Sheena acts nothing like we imagine, if this is gospel (it isn't), and Rooster Teeth constantly pushed Monty to work via their method.

What strikes me as odd, is if you have a cash cow (Monty), then I can understand making him work faster- why would Bernie/heads of staff make him work by a different methodology?

Apparently Monty started working from home since Sheena and RT had bad blood. Maybe she got bitchy, maybe they caught on to her being no good for Monty- either way he worked more at home. Where the cats he was allergic to are.

Another oddity is no mentioning of the plug being pulled. The family are spoken about as though they were there and consented.

No doubt's Shane's depression tints this story, but RTs reaction (Barbra crying on Twitter, the company bar-one-person condemning him as being a fanatic, even insinuating he wanted to bang Monty's widow).

Pretty much two autists & a woman who may or may not have been a gold digger got told to work differently under RT, then when Monty died, RT did everything they could to boot out Shane and Sheena.

I retract my idea about Bernie orchestrating Monty's death- even through accidental means

>>30343

In addition:

If Sheena has the most complete vision of RWBY- and she hates RT (be it for spiting her departed husband or cutting her out of the pie) why didn't she spill the beans on the "original" plot? She doesn't seem like the girl that'd plan ahead (in either interpretation of her), and a massive "fuck you" to Rooster Teeth seems in character. Yet- we've heard nothing. It's not like RT could sue, right?

Or was she ever paying attention when Monty explained the world to her?

I certainly agree with the notion that the original plot of the story has gone off course. Everything does feel slapped together (characters that appear briefly without lines like 3 of the tournament fighters, character attitudes drastically changing in season 4, pacing being break-neck or non existent).

What shocks me is that no one took notes. Not even Monty. Did Monty give up passing his ideas along to the crew?

I do agree that Sheena had no place at RT. Even as a "consultant", I imagine she'd had wanted paying. And Shane wouldn't have fished for plot elements to feed back to RT. However, with no writing or animating skills, she didn't have a purpose. Beyond transcribing what the hell they needed to do.

> But Monty left RWBY in such a way that if only someone had dropped their pride and stopped treating Sheena like a nobody, or as a threat to their power… we would have been able to keep things intact for quite a while.

This is a hint if I ever heard one- but who?

Miles and/or Kerry? We know they can't write, but would they do better than Sheena? If Bernie was happy with how M&K were running it, why would M&K have to fear Sheena being a replacement? Why would anyone fear Sheena replacing them if Bernie wanted it "his way"? Was Monty's threat of walking out really that heavy/used often? If so- how come they stopped doing it his way? Sure he'd lose the IP, but Monty could rename some shit and re-release it… except everything was fucking linked and had a purpose.

Monty might have been the one over a barrel now I think about it (get a butchered version of your story, or fuck off and we'll own it and do whatever we want).

>>30349

> Monty gave so much to me, and now I was never going to be able to repay him. The least I could do was help his wife, who was now alone, without a US driver’s license, with unfinished immigration paperwork, endless court documentation, etc

If Sheena was fishing for a green-card, that's another angle we could consider if the "bad" Sheena is the true one.

> First I was questioned for being in his office. Then I was told that he was going to move the new game dev guy into that office. Then I was told we were likely going to be leaving Poser in the dust to use Maya for RWBY in Volume 3. I was reminded that “Monty’s behaviors are unacceptable”.

This doesn't sound like the way you describe a friend- even if he worked in a way that you thought sucked. You'd say "His work was slow" "his work made it so no one else could do stuff easily". Unacceptable implies no one liked it. And it was making bank- so it must have been acceptable at some point.

Again, this might be Shane exaggerating or quoting something said in anger, but if Monty was treated like shit so much- did the heads just not voice their anger at Monty? They had his IP by the balls. If Monty left at the end of a season, they could have (in vain) trained someone else up, and make good with the PR later- assuring they kept the vision (since they know Monty wouldn't confront them and reveal the story being warped).

We know at least Monty, Michael, and Lindsy got on (since he was invited to their wedding)- possibly Gavin as well. And if either of those two made threats to Bernie, I could see him bending over backwards to keep two of his most profitable idiots. Then again, even Mercury's voice actor got axed. It seems like anyone who had stood up for Monty got kicked out. Why? Were they all autists raging, or did RT just want to silence any dissent on Volume 3 (stop them saying what Season 3 is not like… by firing them and risking them saying "they booted me over bad blood"?)

Dillon sounds like another angle to investigate. Though with the "he dragged me off my work" lie- I dunno if he was in on it or a patsy.

> Daniel Fowler

> In the middle of those 4 months they brought on a very cool guy named Daniel Fowler who took the HR position. For once, Rooster Teeth had someone in a position of power who had the best interest of their employees in mind.

Could the hatred toward Shane/Sheena come from HR spreading rumors? Wouldn't be the first time in a corp.

He was fired. Perhaps due to allying with Shane? Or just because he wasn't part of an existing HR clique?

> Monty stood his ground and kept moving forward in the way he knew best, for you guys. People did not like him for it within the Rooster Teeth walls. Yes they smiled and pretended to love him to his face, but I heard the conversations and the muttering of words from one person to another.

> […]

> Let me make this clear: the people on the team are all really cool people. But they also had no clue what had been going on or what sort of things I was dealing with there. They only know what they were told. And even now, I can only guess what sort of things are said within the walls that would make me look like I’ve lost my marbles and hold up the show runners on a heroic pedestal, further reinforcing them and their decisions as being the best way to have done it.

> For the most part, the scene was blank in the scripts — and that is how Monty and I liked to work. It always gave us directorial control, choice of camera work, etc. Even though they tried to make a storyboard so the production people could feel better, it was a big waste of time, money, and energy. That was the main reason we stayed away from it all those years in the action department. Pre-scripted fights just look… scripted, and I avoid them like the plague. You need that organic freedom to be able to go in, knowing the characters and their abilities, and just let them go at it.

Certainly sounds like the production team were mad they couldn't use the "skills" they learned at animation school. The same schools that lead to flash-based animations and the same mistakes mass-produced western shows make.

In fact, with the discussion of hard-drives vs network and "red-tape", it seems the company was trying to behave like a big-boy company with plans and so forth- instead of an internet show for dorks by dorks.

They ignored the old addage "If it's stupid and it works, it's not stupid."

>>30350

> But guess what — they didn’t even write it in the script because they didn’t look at what Monty created for the scene before they began! It was all available to them before Monty passed away, and after he was gone I made sure all those scenes were available to them — that they had them in their hands. It was even more of a surprise to me since I had rendered out Monty’s timelines for them, at the Producer’s request, before production even started. They didn’t even look at what Monty, the creator of the show, made for his show.

So (despite what Shane said earlier) something did get written down, but it was just ignored. If so- why?

Could no one animate it? Did they not have the time to do it? Did they just find it dumb?

They had Shane- Monty 2.0- who could have done every single fight scene as Monty wanted. Leaving the only conclusion that- despite the warm reception- RT did not want to do the story Monty's way, or the fights. If not- why hire him in the first place?

Were they hoping RWBY could crash and burn in one season, then they could get him back on other projects? (I know Monty "had" to work on RvB 10 before he could make RWBY).

What bugs me the most is every-time we see RT on camera- they act like they love Monty. I'm sure some of the VAs did. I think Miles and Kerry did. Bernie looked like he'd cried all fucking night when he did the wake-stream. But, he's the boss. He wanted the professional environment and Shane gone.

If they loved him- why did they hate how he worked? Why did they fix a system that wasn't broken? Who in the animation/HR department hated him and/or Sheena? How much of this is exaggerated (another ex-RT member said it was "true", but nothing beyond that), and how much is true? If they abandoned Poser, why raid the personal hard-drives while firing Shane? Why were they interested in Monty's work then?

What would have happened if Monty was still alive? Were they looking for an excuse to fire him & "steal" the IP?

If I'd have know what I did earlier, I'd have never bought any of the music. I'd have never watched Season 3.

But the only way I'm watching Season 4 is through re-uploads here. I'm not even going to give them the click to downvote a video on Youtube.

>>30351

One last thing.

After working with GG, I've learned how easy it is to fall into conformation bias, and how shills work.

Apologies if the following are dumb questions but:

- How do we know Sheena was the one who pulled the plug?

- How do we know Sheena did it before Monty's family could get there?

- How do we know Sheena got the money raised by RT? (Especially since- if Shane's word is true- they'd do anything to keep her mitts off of it)

I saw she got a boob job (very odd behavior to have after your husband died), but I'm wondering if early posts making us focus on here weren't someone from RT trying to throw us off the scent.

Of course, this is all theorizing. What we have so far seems to indicate Sheena did not remove cats from the home of her allergic husband.

>>30355

One last thing I promise, then I'll STFU.

Shane was under a lot of stress, so who betrayed him or not might be wildily off base. He says how people he trusted started saying things behind his back.

People that didn't know about the BS mocking Shane for going off the rails?

People who had to agree with the new direction of the show, or risk being fired (like that other animator that stood up for Shane)?

Basically, they'll be people in the company against Monty's wishes, and people who had to tow the line even though they hated it.

And if this ever blows up, everyone will say they had to tow the line, and working out who's lying is gonna be a pain. Not impossible though.

>>30343

>why would Bernie/heads of staff make him work by a different methodology?

I figured Monty just worked in a certain way, an amateurish and improvisational way, that didn't really follow the professional demeanor that RT expected and the creative control it wanted. Shane talks about listening to music and watching videos while working like it's normal; I'd bet that other people didn't get to do that.

But since Monty did good work and already had a following, he got the right to work that way, albeit with people talking behind his back and being jealous. This also explains how Monty could work more from home. RT *could* have fired him once they got some talent to replace him who they could more easily control, but it would have caused an enormous backlash as well as a big portion of their fanbase leaving.

Monty getting sick and dying was sort of like a godsent grace to them then. They got the creative control they wanted AND could claim their changes were in Oum's memory. Remember, RT's expanding into live-action as well as producing original animation; I'd bet they want to use RvB as a stepping stone to bloom into a full production company and get cozy with Hollywood. They've already commissioned composers and Powerhouse Animations before. Season 14 should be a prime example of the connections they've gathered. With Monty gone, RT's free to rake in all the success of RWBY and decide what to do with it.

>>30343

>Sheena and RT had bad blood

As far as I know, Sheena also wanted to land a job in RT probably in the same way Meg did, but since she didn't have a working visa RT rejected all her attempts at it to avoid legal issues.

She even had RT listed as one of her jobs on her website's bio, and only deleted it after RT staff publicly denied it.

>>31114

So that buys into the "Sheena hunting for money and a green-card" theory.

And Rooster Teeth being bitter to her, on top of the cat allergy… Yet still wanting Monty to work by their methodology. Wouldn't they given Monty what he wanted to help leverage and stop Sheena? Or did they fear Monty taking Rwby (or walking off), leaving him more vulnerable to Sheena- and costing them a cash cow.

Christ, it's only Shane that Monty dealt with who wasn't shit.

Some more analysis on Shane's letter in an older thread.

>>27538

>>31118

>Sheena hunting for money

I believe that practically is a given at this point when you realize she still keeps the donation pool for Monty's medical bills running, plus the amount of money RT gave her, and the amount of money we have seen her use since then (cosplay stuff, moving to another state, trips to england, the boob job, etc.)

Well, we know Monty's (((Wife))) was in his death room, but is there anyone else who visited him? Maybe some chance to learn anyone else's motives or was she alone the entire time?

Since big posts fuck up

>>31149

>>32337

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>>31149

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>>30343

>why would Bernie/heads of staff make him work by a different methodology?

>>30399

> an amateurish and improvisational way, that didn't really follow the professional demeanor

There is something that the corporate methodology has going for it: namely, continuity of operations. It tries to set up assets so that people can take vacations or die unexpectedly and not severely impact the production. I'm guessing that while Monty had notes and such, they were not organized in such a manner that they were accessible to the rest of the staff at RT. Another continuity of operations thing is preventing one man shows: Monty Oum was a one man show. He did everything; he was accustomed to doing everything. And when the one man leaves, the show is over.

Another thing about the different methodology is that the other animators likely demanded it. In order to move up and on in their careers, the professional animators need experience with the industry standard tools: not whatever-the-fuck-Monty-Oum-felt-like-making-things-with. If the animation staff of RT feel that no one in industry uses Poser, then they don't have any incentive to learn it from a career growth perspective.

I don't blame any animator for being salty over being forced to work in poser tbh. And say what you will about the story but the animation quality has gone massively up over the course of season 3 and 4. Hell if we're being honest the fights in Dead Fantasy were more thrilling and fluid than anything in RWBY season 1 or 2.

>>33648

True. But they also didn't have to make sense. RWBY had to pause action for plot occasionally.

Season 1 Episode 8 is the exception, though. The Nevermore takedown was art.

>>25564

>>25565

Some other imageboard seemed to stumble onto evidence that Monty was murderd by his wife. People have been looking into it.

>>32974

I have a love hate relationship with RT

I mean what kind of balls do you have to be to criticize and change the workflow of a man who clearly has the optimization and low budget skills of a god when you yourselves only got your company off the damn ground thanks to Improvisation and optimization of capturing live game footage and overdubbing

RWBY was over the day Monty Died. It should have been buried with the man so it to could find peace. Now it's just a shell that moves tee shirts

>>30351

>Bernie looked like he'd cried all fucking night when he did the wake-stream. But, he's the boss.

Burnie might not have been the problem. He loved Monty and likes RWBY, but many of the other old time RT folks, who seem to have equal share in the company even if Burnie is currently the boss, don't really care for it, and Geoff in particular is extremely hostile towards RWBY and anime and it's fanbase in general, and gets visably cheesed off when he's reminded that RT's current hot property is a not-anime and not their game and comedy stuff.

I'm starting to think that Bernie, and/or others at RT disliked Sheena and blamed her for Monty's death. So, when Shane decided to white knight for her, he had to go. And if she came across to some of the staff as the gold digger she has come across to some fans, he really had to go. For legal reasons, however, they can't call her out and have to frame it as something Shane, which it is true in part.

Shane may have learned from the master, but he needs to stay in Michigan until he stops being a white knight.

>>34432

I've noticed people trying to blame either Rooster Teeth or Sheena- when it's quite logical that it's both.

A company that hates Sheena's money grubbing and cats, along with Shane's (allegedly) fanatical devotion and manic depression. (If you believe them)

Likewise, Shane hates RT for trying to put in contingencies in the worst way possible- and even hire people who they wanted to avoid, going against Monty's wishes, etc.

Usually Shane's testimony would be suspect (depression and being fired making things seem more stacked than they are)- if not for the fact Season 4 confirmed what Shane said. It's by committee, everyone working on it demanded "industry standard" Maya but produced something only graduates could make. Even little details like Winter being out of the show (since she's "based" on how Monty saw Sheena).

Sheena put Monty's body under great stress, RT put Monty's mind under great stress, and neither saw what they were doing to him because they were too focused on their own goals (getting Monty's money, or making RWBY production "safer", quicker, and having more people involved).

Part of me wishes he had faked his death and flew back with his family to escape this crap.

>>32435

>Is the pool still open?

Last time I checked it was.

>Who is donating?

Hardcore Monty/RWBY/Sheena fans probably. The kind people so deluded that will believe Sheena's shit word by word and think this money will help her and Monty's family.

Plus friends. Jessica Nigri donated a lot of money when she was in good terns with Sheena iirc

>Did RT give Sheena money

A big sum, Monty's full year pay and a little bit more I believe. My theory is that was Burnie's way to get rid of her so she stopped bugging them asking for a job, wanting to take control of RWBY.

>>35858

>>>/leftypol/

>>35896

I assume some of the staff must see this board (they use the internet, temptation to see the "cathedral of misogyny" is too great, and massaging their ego looking for praise or to argue with the screen and justify hating the "haters"), but there's been very little shilling against discussion in this thread until that (as far as I can tell).

Investigation is at a dead end until new evidence comes to light though.

This might be a stretch, but do you guys think this "Monty's Vision" is just a meme made up by the writers just to keep people talking?

I always believe it all boils down to knowing Monty as a person, knowing him he's just a workaholic who's really good at what he's good at. Which proves how he's not really good at telling a narrative.

>>36514

Henlo friend

Less the writers, and more the fans who've misinterpreted what the writers have said in order to give them more license to hate the show because it's *allegedly* not following 'Monty's vision'. Like you say, Monty was great at creating concepts, but not great when it comes to the nitty-gritty of storytelling. That's where M&K came in, they still provided a large portion of the writing even in Volumes 1 and 2. They're arguably just as responsible for RWBY as he was.

Monty left an *outline* for where the show was supposed to go, and the writers said as much, but not some detailed story bible as some people like to pretend. And even so, these sort of things are constantly changing. 'Monty's vision' one day was probably much different from how it ended up a few weeks or months later as they got further into the writing and creative process. People who get upset over 'muh Monty's vision' clearly don't know much about the man's creative process, or the creative process in general, which even a little cursory research would show in both cases.

>>36514

>>36526

Its pretty clear that Monty was a spur of the moment type of guy. Outlines where probably nothing more but a a few sentences.

>Explain what Ruby's silver eyes do this, then have a boss battle.

Looking at some of the interviews, before and after his death, this project wasn't meant to be a serious project. This was a portfolio filler. He cared because he was working on it, and his name was on it sure, but this was not suppose to be his magnum opus. I find it more sad he never got to make his serious project, if he had even one in his head yet.

>>36533

I do think he genuinely wanted to create RWBY. While he might have thought of using RWBY in that way down the line I do think he took it seriously–it's just that, as you say, he was a spur of the moment guy, and more focused on cool action and concepts than on the nitty-gritty of storytelling. You're probably completely right about his outlines.