1d8311 No.2502 [Last50 Posts]
Seeing how Volume 3 just ended, I believe we should unleash our autistic powers and meme our own story lines into the show speculate on what's in store for Volume 4.
Personally, I think they will arrive in Haven to find themselves at the brink of a civil war happening, between the "extremists" who are rabidly anti-Faunus and those who want to keep society normal. remember that RT is made up of liberal faggots
Blake's got all the makings of becoming Batman, someone who fights in the shadows in order for her friends to be safe, and my guess is Sun will be helping her out because he's that hard-headed.
Yang will continue to mope around, until Taiyang lights a fire under her ass, somehow. or maybe it'll be Raven that does it. Or both.
Weiss will continue to live under her father's rule. She must choose between being completely disowned by the family and helping her friends, or continue to be groomed as heiress.
Roman and Neo will return. no fucking way they got killed.
Penny, stay dead. You too, Prryha.
what do you think, my fellow anons?
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1d8311 No.2504
>>2502
> Prryha
You're doing it on purpose.
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1d8311 No.2508
>>2502
honestly they made the White Fang too edgy and all the humans besides Cardin whose only character trait is to be a dick treat faunas like equals. I don't really see to much oppression going on
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1d8311 No.2509
>>2508
I want a character to be full /pol/ at some point.
THE FAUNUSCAUST DIDN'T HAPPEN, BUT IT SHOULD HAVE.
t. /pol/
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1d8311 No.2513
>>2502
I agree across the board pretty much.
> remember that RT is made up of liberal faggots
But they are also sticking to Monty's production diary. In interviews he made it clear Cordin wasn't going to just be a jerk with an irrational hatred of Faunus. Whether that means he wanted to develop him more, or Cardin's motivations for hating Faunus was even sympathetic, then that could be interesting.
But yeah. I'm banking on Papa Schnee hating Faunus (before the white fang) because his wife screwed one, rather than anything new or interesting. I don't want it though. If it's another "very special" episode like the 2 bullying ones, that might just make me quit.
I'm kind of hoping Yang comes back in a blaze of glory. Feigning mopyness to get a robot sucker-punch on a villain of the week, being upbeat and happy… Then the second she's out of sight of the rest of the gang it turns out having the robot arm actually really hurts. Like it's crushing her stump 24/7, so she has to endure that while protecting Ruby.
What you say with Weiss I can see happening near the end, but I can also see her acting as an inside (wo)man to get dust and a robot arm to the gang.
Judging how people can fall off buildings and down hole and survived, Roman's fine. Or he'll be revived through bullshit. Kind of interested in the "Rouge Neo" idea though.
Everyone else that's dead can stay dead.
Unless Penny becomes AI in a better weapon for Jaune, then that'll be fine.
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1d8311 No.2514
>>2513
yfw it turns out Penny's mind is live-streamed to a drone body, just like her control of her weapons is remote, and there's a dozen backups waiting to show up with literally zero warning and no worse for the wear besides having experienced death once.
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1d8311 No.2515
>>2513
I don't think so.
We know that Weiss' grandfather founded the company, and that he was apparently a pretty chill guy. We also know Atlas is what remains of the defunct kingdom of Mantle. And that one kingdom was responsible for fucking things over in the Great War. So what I imagine happened is this:
Mantle was the most technological of the kingdoms by a long mile, during the war. The rulers attempted to find a way to remove emotions, art, and the like, in order to keep the Grimm from coming after humanity. This technique proved a success, and Mantle alone lived without fear of the Grimm attacks - but at the cost of being a RWBY version of Equilibrium.
Eventually, certain people got fed up with shit in the different kingdoms, and the monarchs were overthrown, putting the councils in place. Mantle was the last to fall, and it did so only as a result of infighting - and the Schnees, I imagine, were among those who fought to bring an end to the war. After all, that summoning ability could be a tide-turner, in the right hands.
Weiss' grandfather probably wasn't involved in this, but based on what his own father did, was able to start up a company which was meant to bring dust and technology to the rest of the world, and aid the academy at Atlas. But then he died, leaving his more pragmatic son.
For whatever reason, Faunus were distrusted, and treated as second-class. Weiss' grandfather gave them jobs regardless, but not as well off. Under her father, though, and as the company expanded, these jobs became worse and worse, until you had a collection of wage slaves. Basically a combination of a factory job and Wal-Mart, but at least it was a job.
So then Faunus rights came along. But in a place like Atlas, where the kingdom itself was gone, there wasn't much in the way of opportunity. So the Faunus were forced to stay, being poor fucks, and got the shit end of the stick working in the shittiest places at low pay for the one only offering jobs.
More so, her father expanded horizontally, riding on the reputation of her grandfather, and basically dicked over other dust producers. As everyone with a basic economic understanding knows, monopolies are shitty for everyone - and nobody was going to stop this one.
Then come the White Fang. They fight back, sparking up revolts and the like. Weiss' dad doesn't give much of a shit about them either way, because, hell, he's paying them, they can fuck off. And then one of his friends dies. And then another.
And then, finally, his wife is assassinated, leaving just him and his two daughters. He starts getting stricter, while spending more time away. He doesn't let his younger daughter spend time outside, because it could be too dangerous. His older daughter, the future heiress, leaves to receive combat training - and then enlists with the military.
So his younger daughter, the new heiress, who has looked up to her sister her whole life, does the exact same thing. He gets fucking pissed. He forces her to fight off the Knight in order to prove herself, and, to his surprise, she succeeds. She has to leave.
Essentially, I don't imagine that he hates the Faunus, or is even that abusive. He's just not very empathic, which makes it difficult for him to understand what his employees are bitching about, or why the White Fang is doing shit, or why his daughters resent him. And so he comes to resent all of them.
It's also possible his wife died in childbirth, which is part of the reason for his strained relationship with Weiss.
Then again, maybe the wife is still alive. I believe that there's a picture out there of Monty's computer, and the name "Willow Schnee" - which could very easily be the mother.
But we'll see. I just hope they do a good job with the Weiss arc, seeing as it has the most pathos-linked potential of the four RWBY girls.
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1d8311 No.2520
How the fuck does this hamfistedly animated and acted show evoke more emotional depth than the entirety of Big Boss' rise and fall?
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1d8311 No.2521
>>2509
That would be great but i doubt they would do that.
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1d8311 No.2524
>>2515
The Mantle/Equilibrium stuff is probably all going to happen (and the Knight fight is how it went down in the Manga), but GOD I wish the rest of it does to!!
Really good work.
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1d8311 No.2530
>>2502
>your picture
>The Y in RWBY
Too soon.
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1d8311 No.2545
>>2508
>made the White Fang too edgy
I disagree, it's that they haven't fleshed the characters out yet.
>>2509
Just for the sake of Variety, if nothing else.
>>2520
because it's so bad, it's somewhat good. I know that's some crappy logic, but it has that charm to it.
>>2530
I'm just glad someone noticed, felt like such a faggot when I did that.
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1d8311 No.2552
>>2530
>>2545
I though I was the only one too.
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1d8311 No.2558
>>2524
>manga
There's a manga for this?
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1d8311 No.2559
>>2520
The biggest part of the reason I like RWBY is that I actually care about the characters involved, at least so much as it is possible to care about a fictional character.
I used to enjoy Doctor Who at one point. I don't anymore, because I stopped giving a shit. I don't like any of the companions that much, I don't like how political the writers have decided to become, and I don't like how they've altered the main character (which is a shame, because the current actor is quite talented). It would be essentially the same as if Volume 4 opened with Ruby turning the camera and giving a long-winded discussion on how Team RWBY is in an open relationship with itself, and that's just how things role in remnant, shitlord.
In fact, the only TV show I really give a shit about at this point is one called Grimm which, much like RWBY, is pretty mediocre in most areas - and yet since there are no left-wing politics shoe-horned in, and the characters themselves are likeable, I just can't stop watching it.
Is the show written particularly well? Not really. It's certainly no Twelve Angry Men or The Usual Suspects. But it's still better than the Marvel-tier writing that is fairly common today, and some of the scenes are surprisingly good.
My favorite scene, for instance, is the one in V1E3 where Ruby explains her motivation to be a Huntress to Blake. I'm not sure how others might feel about it, but for me, it struck very close to home with regards to my own childhood, and was probably the largest contributing factor to me continuing through V1 (up until V1E8, that is).
>>2558
Yeah. It's a not-not-canon work being made by a punch of Nips. There are translations online, if you want to look around for it. I'm not sure exactly where, though.
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1d8311 No.2573
Emerald said something that's been bothering me since she said it.
"Oooh, headache. One mind I can handle, but two is a stretch."
Yang and who else?
I'm starting to wonder if there's something to the idea of Yang's eye color change meaning something after all.
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1d8311 No.2574
>>2573
>Emerald, two minds is a stretch
I took it that she was talking about the medics that came after Yang attacked Mercury, she had to trick them so they wouldn't discover Mercury had prosthetic legs, but instead had a nasty shotgun wound to the leg/knee.
She did that job well enough that the medics were so shocked that all they could do was put a fucking blanket on it.
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1d8311 No.2580
if Cinder wears the headgear in V4…
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1d8311 No.2581
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1d8311 No.2586
>>2580
While there is no logical reason for her to do it (not to mention it probably blew away in the Silver explosion),
Yes.
Please yes.
Maybe have Jaune find Pyrrah's old shield and spear pieces and he mods his own gear to improve it?
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1d8311 No.2592
>>2559
Anon are you me. I though I was the only former doctor who fan, I have the same reasons for quitting the show. Even though the racism subplot is pretty shit at least they didn't shoe horn to many left wing politics yet. Thank God RT is based in Texas but I heard more liberals are being let in. Of I am going to give it a pass for now because they haven't explained much. I mean I want to side with the humans because so far there was only one character who was racist but was racist for the sole purpose of being bully and Roman but he is just a dick to everyone. Also volume 2 made Blake go down in my favorite character ranks when she said that relations weren't healing fast
enough.
So apparently faunas are being discriminated against because they look different which is the most blue pilled form of racism and that the oppressor(humans) are in the wrong and the oppressed(faunus) are justified. There is way more factors than that. Also I hate how Weiss is basically a western liberal after volume one and somehow Blake was justified even though she was in faunus al queda. But I am giving them a chance still because its still early. The point is no one does a good racism subplot anymore and as a /pol/lock I hate it.
>>2515
I hope they flesh out the Weiss' father more and his company.It would be great to find out that her father doesn't hate the faunus at all but the budget is tight with the dust mines failing and White Fang stealing it all. It would be even funnier to see that her father has tons of faunus mistresses and a lot of the funds are going to them to support their children. The whole reason the white fang started was Mr.Schnee was cucking all the Faunus males. That would be a good green text story.
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1d8311 No.2594
>>2592
Based on the sheer number of new recruits the White Fang was getting at that rally versus the level of non-discrimination Faunus seem to be facing outside of petty schoolyard bullying, I'm starting to be inclined towards thinking they're a genuine problem.
Like seriously. The illusory persecution complex, no matter if it was better founded in the past, is full #FAUNUSLIVESMATTER at the time of the show.
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1d8311 No.2595
>>2559
>>2592
Same here, though Grimm is starting do some stuff Paper-thin Nazi allegories, and tradition = wrong. Though their traditions usually involve killing someone so :/
I think the sole reason we didn't get the racism subplot is time. Most stuff is never explained or shown, or only hinted at. If they had endless manpower, 30 min eps, and as many episodes per season as needed, we'd have seen it.
The only way to do a good racism subplot is to tackle why it exists, which means Admitting some culture have the majority of people as terrible human beings. Or at the least, sharing values the polar opposite of your own
But yeah, I said it in another post (not in this thread though I think), and while I want to have Papa Schnee have sympathize-able motives, they'll probably go with something more Disney.
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1d8311 No.2624
So hoe many seasons do you think this show will last guys?
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1d8311 No.2628
Hey guys who is your favorite charter and why? Also do you want a certain ship to happen?
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1d8311 No.2631
so now that the big big baddie is revealed, how will the plot progress now?
>>2624
well, Monty wrote for about 5 volumes… depends on how far Miles and Kerry want to do it.
>>2628
Qrow, without a doubt. aloof and cold, seems like he has an easy shell to break.
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1d8311 No.2643
>>2513
>I'm kind of hoping Yang comes back in a blaze of glory
It won't be that difficult, considered that they've shown Ironwood to be almost half robot. My guess is that she'll get her mojo back and kick herself into training, and then Weiss will come along with some money and tech to get her a new arm.
I also think Pyrrha will not be dead, but will have been saved at the last minute by Ruby's super outburst, but stuck between living and dead, and will be brought back into the world by the power of true love from that useless cunt Jaune.
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1d8311 No.2645
Also hoping that when they get to Haven they'll find it's been taken over by Atlas, who launched a pre-emptive strike after footage of their involvement in Vale causes the other kingdoms to gang up against them. Weiss will be there as a reluctant regional dictator/administrator with her father, who gets granted power by giving generously to the war fund.
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1d8311 No.2647
>>2643
>Pyrrah still alive, magic shit
No, no, and nope. Things need to remain kill.
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1d8311 No.2648
>>2647
Not even as a ghostly advisor, to say goodbye one last time?
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1d8311 No.2649
>>2648
Maybe a short cameo as a pile of ash, nothing more.
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1d8311 No.2650
Torchwick comes back beause he was never dead. Salem has Queen of Blades level of control over Grimm, and brought him back to her because she's fallen for him.
He finds this creepy.
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1d8311 No.2655
>>2650
I am actually OK with this. Roman deserves a better death than the one he got
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1d8311 No.2662
>>2655
this
Roman is my favorite character, I'm going to beyond pissed if Roman and/or Neo stay dead
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1d8311 No.2666
Sorry, but Roman is very likely to stay dead, given that Kerry said during the Volume 3 Finale livestream (which I haven't seen), Roman was originally intended as a throwaway character, but he became a fan favorite, which resulted in a larger part in the overall story, but he was always meant to die.
Then again, Roman's based on Candlewick from Pinocchio, who died in the story, and Pyrrha's based on Achilles of Greek mythology who also died in his story with the shot of arrow to the heel.
Which pretty much may be hinting Penny coming back since she's based on Pinocchio, who didn't die in his story. And her body wasn't THAT destroyed so her remain may have been recovered by Atlas forces off screen or the remote control of the body might be excusable too, and becomes colder after "dying". Not that familiar of original story, but Pinocchio does turn into such an huge asshole for a time, going as far as killing the cricket who was trying to help him.
If they'd start to choose who dies and who lives on the characters and stories they are based on, doesn't that kind of kill the suspense, unless there's varying versions of the sources like Little Red Riding Hood, original version had the girl eaten alive by the wolf and no rescue from woodcutter/hunter until later versions.
And no, Neo is very unlikely dead, but it'd be interesting for her go after Ruby to gain vendetta for Roman, who Ruby didn't actually kill, but she obliviously doesn't know. For someone, who was left no choice on taking sides, this time it'd be very personal to her.
Also honestly, I don't know if they'd have any legit bullshit reason to bring back, like if Ruby's powers somehow created a new body for Pyrrha's soul, but the only way I'd find it anywhere acceptable, is that latter's is in a deep coma with a extremely weak and ill body or what ever shit worth giving a question of "was it really better for her?" and kept in secrecy in Mistral to protect both girls and keeping Ruby from becoming occupied reviving everyone who dies a violent death, with a huge cost of life expectancy and overall health and can't revive person who was revived once already, natural death and been dead for long time. Then again, we are most likely gonna meet Pyrrha's family anyway. And we still have to see what Monty had planned and what they are gonna do with it.
Fuck I wrote a lot, so have a chibi Ruby eating cookie.
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1d8311 No.2675
>>2666
Can they like not fucking confirm or deny shit, I mean like come on give us hope you fat FUCK. MILES HAS NOTHING TO LOSE NOW AND HAS TURNED TO DRAG. KERRY, THAT WRETCHED GHOUL OF A MAN-CHILD, WHY MUST HE RUIN THE FUCKING SHOW BY GIVING OUT DEETS LIKE THIS?!
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1d8311 No.2677
>>2662
>>2666
So did they say anything about Neo or is she done too?
>>2666
checked
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1d8311 No.2680
>>2677
She fast floated down and broke her ankle. Couldn't get away from a mob of grimm that ended up raping her tight pussy. I saw it go down.
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1d8311 No.2845
I want to see a wardrobe change in Season 4, the circumstances have changed. Maybe Weiss being back in Atlas has her in more militaristic, Atlas-esque attire, perhaps something akin to what her sister wore. Something more mature looking for a more professional look.
JNRR ought to change because of being on the road, maybe clothing to fit the season? Nora ought to be cold.
Blake has more ragged clothing from being in a warzone?
Yang has a crushed spirit.
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1d8311 No.2853
Didn't Monty mention one point that weapons are going to have an upgrade after the Volume 3?
Now that I've mentioned, what kind of weapon upgrades do you think might come up?
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1d8311 No.2855
>>2853
hmm…
depends on what the "upgrade" is. is it something technical, like Ruby can bring out her scythe quicker? or will it be like Yang robo arm allows her to fight quicker?
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1d8311 No.2887
>>2855
I always thought Ruby using one of Penny's swords was neat, maybe she'd have a sword function or something built into Crescent Rose or a new weapon entirely.
They definitely need to change some looks for Season 4.
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1d8311 No.2924
My possibilities for S4
>JNRR on a quest to find Ozpin, and stop a new villain.
>Explore more of Blake's personal side of things.
>Return of Emerald and Mercury
>Yang getting a cyber arm
>More Grimm hunting
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1d8311 No.3278
>>2924
>JNRR on a quest to find Ozpin, and stop a new villain.
not for Ozzy Ozpin, but Cinder? Absolutely.
>Explore more of Blake's personal side of things.
ether Blake's personal story, or she tries her best to help Yang's coping.
>Return of Emerald and Mercury
Yep. and I want Emerald to Repent.
>Yang getting a cyber arm
Nope. No way.
>More Grimm hunting
of fucking course. it wouldn't be RWBY without Grimm. wonder if we'll see more mutations of Grimm as well.
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1d8311 No.3282
>>3278
No Cyber arm Yang? man, my hopes were too high
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1d8311 No.3283
>>3282
Cyber arm is such a cop-out though. it'll build so much drama and story if she keeps it one arm.
it's also amazing how they planned to have a one armed yang since the yellow trailer.
"Scathing eyes ask that we be symmetrical, one sided and easily processed. Yet every misshappen spark's unseen beauty is greater than its would be judgement."
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1d8311 No.3315
>>3283
Thinking about it, I guess one armed Yang could be interesting in fights. It'll be like Future Gohan (one arm version).
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1d8311 No.3511
>>3283
Bullshit, its been evil winning from the fucking start. I wonder if RT will ever make a show that isn't 100% bad shit.
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1d8311 No.3555
>>2509
I think Qrow was kinda like a /pol/lack. He looked depressed and knew something really bad was going on in the background but no listened to him.
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1d8311 No.3557
>>3555
nice Trips
Qrow as a /pol/ack, eh… I don't see it. He calls like he sees it, but going full /pol/, I don't think is in his nature.
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1d8311 No.3615
>>3283
>it's also amazing how they planned to have a one armed yang since the yellow trailer.
Was there any other hints, other than the lyrics?
Like nearly losing her arm in fights, or ironic gestures with that arm.
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1d8311 No.3779
>>3557
Yeah he's not full/pol/ but currently he is the closest character to one. Many /pol/lacks are pretty depressed because of the shit going on but now at least there is hope. Also cuck/pol/ went to complete shit plus they were back stabbed by moot.
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1d8311 No.3947
>>3615
To be fair, I have no clue. I believe it's the only thing that hinted at it, which really wasn't a hint until hindsight. it's also not a lyrics, it's the opening quote from the Yellow trailer.
if you really wanna feel them feels, look up the song "Gold" and then juxtapose it to how Yang treated Ruby at the end of Vol 3.
>>3779
To be completely honest, the /pol/lack character to me would be Cardin. According to rumors, Monty wanted to show Cardin being an asshole to Velvet to see how bad Faunus have it, but Monty wanted to show why Cardin was being Racist towards them.
It's a lot like the episode "Black and White": there's no real good guy or bad guy when it came to SDC and The White Fang. One does shitty things, and that fuels the other to do shittier things.
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1d8311 No.3948
Some things that have been bothering me for a while.
The Thief and the Butcher
Violet's Garden (soft and hardback)
Third Crusade
The Thief and the Butcher was almost certainly allusion to Emerald and Mercury respectively. I have no idea what Violet's Garden could be. Third Crusade gets reacted to like they walked in and asked for a copy of Mein Kampf in Israel, and was the segue they used to move into talk about the White Fang. Are the historical battles between Humans and Faunus seen as crusades?
Also, what is the religion like in Remnant? Glynda references the conflict with the established religion as a reason the truth about the maidens would cause a panic. And we see religious iconography on certain characters. Ruby wore a large cross on her belt in her trailer instead of her rose emblem, and her hood is fastened with crosses. Qrow wears a cross necklace, and Ozpin has a cross brooch on his scarf. I doubt there's going to be any real-world religions in Remnant, but that a single specific iconographic item keeps coming up is interesting.
>>3947
The racism plot is thin as paper on its face. There's not enough reason on the Human side, and it comes off like A Very Special Episode every time it gets brought up. Humans need some genuine reason to think, believe, and feel as they do. I want to see it expanded on, because right now the Faunus are full He A Gud Boy He Dindu Nuffin levels of contrived innocence. Cardin pulls a girl's ears in a highschool cafeteria, and 40 new recruits show up at the local Black Panther rally, ready to take up lethal arms. The disparity in depiction is severe enough that the Humans are completely justified in wanting to exterminate the Faunus, because thus far imaginary discrimination is sufficient to motivate them to form a guerrilla army.
Try reading the lyrics to All our Days.
http://rwby.wikia.com/wiki/All_Our_Days
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1d8311 No.3949
>>3948
looked up Violet's Garden:
When the prophet, Brigham Young, asks Violet's family to move to southern Utah, Violet Brookstead is excited at the prospect of adventure. Armed with a good heart, a promise to her best friend to write, she and her family leave their comfortable home and embarks on an adventure. She soon learns, however, that the road to the dusty paradise is fraught with hardships. Her Mother breaks her leg, lumber is not to be found, and food is scarce. Through out it all, Violet maintains a good attitude in her letters to Mattie.
>The racism plot is thin as paper on its face.
> right now the Faunus are full He A Gud Boy He Dindu Nuffin
That's because of the Liberal slant of RT. Liberals only see Race issues skin deep insert Yang here and have emotional responses to it. They can't look at Race issues objectively, because that would require suspending the pre-wrapped Narrative that was already sold to them. The only good news was that the way Monty was raised, he was able to do just that. But now with Miles and Kerry at the helm, as soon as they're past Monty's script, it'll be extremely thinner.
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1d8311 No.4184
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1d8311 No.5393
>>3947
>Cardin is /pol/
No, Cardin is just an insufferable cock and is a liberal's view of the only way one might be a racist. A /pol/ character, when confronted about their dislike of faunus, will send you a police report of a murder and dismemberment victim whose other half was only found when they pumped a predatory faunus suspect's stomach.
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1d8311 No.5668
>>2502
They confirmed Roman was dead, but there's no way they killed off Neo right?
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1d8311 No.5670
>>2680
Pics or it didn't happen
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1d8311 No.5671
>>5670
This is the truth, webm related.
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1d8311 No.5962
>>5393
This
If Cardin was /pol/ he'd know that bullying a faunus would just feed the bullshit liberal narrative and be counterproductive. Also given RT's new liberal slant and the current writers, they could never have Cardin's racism justified because of their views.
>>3948
>religion in remnant
It would be very interesting and neat but it will probably turn out as paper thin as the racism subplot. Watch Salem be portrayed as a innocent and she dindu nuffin until those evil relgious bigots chased her out of town for be different or some shit like that. They probably say that the religion is backward and it has to give with the times because it is current year. Also RT has already pandered to the fanbase(season 3 ship names in JNPR fight) and I don't want them to name the God of their religion Monty Oum. Some people might disagree but to me it just too much cringe.
>Ruby as a religious person
That makes her way better for waifu material. It means she will probably be faithful and want many children. In my opinion She is probably the best wife material out of Team RWBY.
Blake has a known track record for running away from problems. So she will probably pull a Raven and you would end up a single Dad. Weiss would be good but busy as fuck thanks to the company and treat the children like her father did her. Yang seems to like to party a lot and while she did act like the team mom I don't think she would want to get married also she's probably not pure. Ruby on the other hand will kick ass on the week days and come home to make everyone cookies unless she pulls a summer and dies. On second thought, maybe a person shouldn't marry a huntress/hunter. Their mortality rate is very likely to be high. Maybe we should take season 3's advice and just not play the waifu game at all.
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1d8311 No.6048
>>3948
The crosses could just be there to look cool, Evangelion-style.
>>2887
The cast is in dire need of casual attire like in that pic. It was kind of weird having them walk around costumed while everyone else was wearing regular clothing.
The fans want it, why can't the show grant it?
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1d8311 No.6980
volume 4 when? this hiatus is killing me.
*I still keep rewatching hrayrp's death scene*
*r.i.p best girl;_;*
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1d8311 No.6981
>>6980
goddammit I'm stupid, can't even spoiler properly
;_;
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1d8311 No.22229
RWBY Volume 4 coming in October.
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1d8311 No.22231
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1d8311 No.22233
>>22231
I think they look nice
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1d8311 No.22234
>>22231
>>22233
tho' now that I look at them more carefully
>timeskip
I swear to god, if they're going to do timeskip straight away, I'm going to rage
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1d8311 No.22238
>>22231
> 4th pic
> DGAS = Don't Give A Shit
Guess she won't be back in the fight for a quite while.
But I do wonder how long is this timeskip gonna be, at least a month to a year?
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1d8311 No.22249
File: 1467432614777.jpeg (Spoiler Image,448.31 KB,1536x2048,3:4,Pyrrah RWBY V4 confirmed.jpeg)
>>22238
Hopefully enough that the episodes aren't wasted fleshing things out that could be better said in a few minutes. A timeskip montage opening would work well, or a news broadcast on a TV.
A length of six months to a year would sound good. A year and a half at max maybe.
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1d8311 No.22315
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1d8311 No.22321
>>22231
Hot damn, Weiss looks great.
Yang could be better, but her design fits after what happened last season.
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1d8311 No.22323
>>22321
I was hoping that they would have given Weiss a more Atlas-militant look, something like what Winter had. Doesn't seem like so much of a difference to me.
I feel like Blake would be better off without the bow now.
They did well with Ruby though, looks grand.
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1d8311 No.22326
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
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1d8311 No.22334
>>22231
>>22234
Nearly everything they've done so far has been hyper compressed.
No time for school antics, the tournament is he- No last round, now we're walking dead.
It'll be a few months or a year, with RJNR trying to help people and rebuild their chunk of the kingdom.
The torn tights and corset on Ruby certainly indicate an edgier show. Some surprisingly "mature" clothes for the youngest girl.
Weiss seems to be wearing nice- non battle clothes. Kept safe by Papa Schnee while the world burns? It'd make sense for her arc this season (Weiss basically in a gilded cage- not only having no idea whats going on in the outside world, but almost "forgetting" everything she learned from being in RWBY. Reunited plus a few arguments and she'll be back in action.)
Blakes just gone full Final Fantasy. And Yang's bumblebee patch is just to fuck with fans (especially considering she'd have a hate boner for Blake).
I'd be willing to be Yang and Blake make up in this season, and we get a lesbo kiss. Progressive Austin + same fan base that begged for Korra x Asami to be legit x controversy sells = likely)
>>22315
Lighting on the faces could be amazing or terrible. Seems like the facial expressions are OK.
The fighting is still gonna suck shit without Monty
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1d8311 No.22341
>>22326
Oh wow, new lighting engine looks good. Though when characters have a LOT of shadow on them they look a bit porcelain.
Grimm moved a bit jank at times.
The black haze and light blurr in the eyes of Grimm lovingly stolen from KH look good.
How Ruby fights basically confirms a power boost + time skip.
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1d8311 No.22361
>>22334
>>22341
>>22315
If I'm not mistaken, this is all incomplete so far. The trailer should look better once it's finished, and with it, the rest of the season. We can only hope.
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1d8311 No.22363
>>22334
>Bumblebee
If some fans weren't so autistic about it, I think it would work fine instead of feeling forced if it does happen. But people will push these things for the sake of meeting an agenda, shoot their beloved series in the foot. Mary Sues galore.
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1d8311 No.22386
>>22363
I think RT has managed to avoid drinking most of the liberal cool-aid so far. They might just throw in a little joke to satisfy the fandom, that's about it.
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1d8311 No.22387
>>22326
>RT blocked the video
Anyone got a webm?
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1d8311 No.22472
>>2502
Someone got a decent torrent with Volume 3 in a reasonable file format and reasonable quality?
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1d8311 No.22551
>>22315
Okay, wow, I actually like these screenshots. They look like they can be 2D.
Shading's been what I've been wanting from the show and now it looks like we can finally have it. Hopefully the actual motion and animation can stand up and prove worthy without Monty's presence.
Backgrounds are probably going to be the same shabby stuff we've gotten but we can't expect the production team to suddenly get painters who can match ,say, Studio Pablo.
The 2D art also looks significantly better. Way better than what we got from the previous seasons.
Really like the costume design, but then again I also like Nomura's designs :P
Overall it looks like we MIGHT get the show people thought it was going to be when we saw the trailers.
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1d8311 No.22697
>>22387
Different angle & not as close, but you can more clearly hear the video without the crowd noise during the fight.
Miles & Kerry get the control over the show (including the fights) they've always wanted since Volume 1. The bloated animation staff gets their desired Maya to work in and the useless flourishes are already present.
I'll just abridge my comments and say that the show has become the prettier & soulless product its creator never intended it to be.
Congratulations, Rooster Teeth.
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1d8311 No.22702
>>22697
Never thought I'd see someone complaining when a shows animation gets better.
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1d8311 No.22704
>>22697
Hi Shane.
The animation staff they have aren't talented enough or autistic enough to learn Poser. If Monty was around, he might be able to teach them. But he's gone now.
The only thing to worry about is if they keep the show going in the direction he wanted it to for the story and everything else. Unfortunately there's not much of a way to tell, because we can't see his notes, or know what was discussed.
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1d8311 No.22720
>>22702
>when a shows animation gets better.
Just better on the surface (in a technical sense). If you look around for longer vids, you'll see that they explained that this was their version of the "Red" trailer. No contest which is better.
>>22704
>The only thing to worry about is if they keep the show going in the direction he wanted it to for the story and everything else.
They couldn't manage to do it when he was alive. Most people complained about the disconnect between the mood of the trailers and that of the series. Monty poorly covered for it by saying that the Red trailer was a weapon trailer and the other trailers weren't canon. Later, they were referenced in the show itself, because they were always intended to be canon.
Quoting from Shane
>RWBY Volume 1
When official production started a lot more people became involved. This was good because
we needed a team. It was also bad because it meant that suddenly other people were calling
the shots on his show in ways different from how Monty intended.
Miles admits in an AfterBuzz TV interview that when Bernie & Matt greenlit the show everything changed. And the show we got wasn't what was originally proposed. And in the stream they had before the final episode of Vol. 3 aired when asked by a fan if magic (which Monty was opposed to) existed in the world of RWBY, Miles replied, "It does now." Also in that same Afterbuzz interview Miles&Kerry reveal that they had no idea how much work it took to do the animation for the fight scenes. These are people that worked with Monty and the other animators on RWBY for two years. How could they not know, unless they never cared to know?
That clip is my favorite contrast in storytelling between Monty on the one hand and Miles&Kerry on the other. Part of the big fight from Volume 01 Chapter 08. Apparently Miles&Kerry were attempting to storyboard the action even then, but Monty took the raw materials provided by the production staff and other modellers and crafted a scene which people raved about while keeping only one line of dialogue Miles&Kerry wrote (that comical exchange between Ruby and Weiss).
Quoting from Shane again
>For the most part, the scene was blank in the scripts— and that is how Monty and I liked to
work. It always gave us directorial control, choice of camera work, etc. Even though they tried
to make a storyboard so the production people could feel better, it was a big waste of time,
money, and energy. That was the main reason we stayed away from it all those years in the
action department. Prescripted fights just look… scripted, and I avoid them like the plague.
You need that organic freedom to be able to go in, knowing the characters and their abilities,
and just let them go at it.
I'll leave off now before I go into a rant about Miles&Kerry's "writing". But if Monty had possessed more confidence in his storytelling/writing, the show would have been very different from the start.
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1d8311 No.22721
>>22720
messed up greentext.
the shame
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1d8311 No.22726
>>22720
>But if Monty had possessed more confidence in his storytelling/writing, the show would have been very different from the start.
Though we never got to see how Dead Fantasy ended, I can't really say Monty was a good writer. He doesn't come off as all that talented in that particular area for me, I'd go as far as to say that he was probably crap. Heck, you'll even get people critquing his fight animation, saying it looks like "two dolls being mashed together".
I'd actually like to see a more cynical analysis of Monty's work, preferably in written form.
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1d8311 No.22738
>>22720
> They couldn't manage to do it when he was alive. Most people complained about the disconnect between the mood of the trailers and that of the series. Monty poorly covered for it by saying that the Red trailer was a weapon trailer and the other trailers weren't canon. Later, they were referenced in the show itself, because they were always intended to be canon.
If you want to get into mood, the bigger aspect to that is the music, which is where Jeff Williams took charge. I can tell you for damn sure one thing, and that's that even with the good animation of the Red Trailer, it wouldn't have been half as good if it wasn't for the musical design. Why do you think people bash pretty much everything other than the soundtrack and the Monty fights?
The same carries on to the Players and Pieces scene, where once again we have arguably the single best piece of music in the show being played to arguably its most iconic fight.
In terms of writing, Miles and Kerry aren't that great. They have their moments. Not many. Monty wasn't much of a writer either on the detailed side. He was a world-builder and good for coming up with the ideas to work around. Everything he did was the result of some rogue idea that he snatched.
The major difference without Monty, besides lower quality animation, is going to be their confusion over what he left behind. The magic thing you mentioned is a good example of that. Monty probably came up with the Ozpin/Salem conflict, the Maidens, the silver eyes, and everything else. He had his own idea of what they were. Miles and Kerry are using what he had and what he told them, but they're not creative enough to come up with the real explanations the way Monty had in the back of his mind.
Given Ozpins name, however, I imagine that there has been a wizard in the story since at least Volume 1 production was going on.
I will say this - I'm quite sure I'll stop watching the day we cease getting Jeff Williams musical scores.
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1d8311 No.22775
>>22726
>Though we never got to see how Dead Fantasy ended, I can't really say Monty was a good writer.
I've seen this repeated in various places, but am still unable to discern any logic in it. Dead Fantasy and RWBY aren't comparable concepts. Dead Fantasy was a place where Monty threw a melange of inspirations and his own ideas to develop his camera work and action choreography. Barely any narrative exists in Dead Fantasy because it wasn't a story-telling vehicle. What Dead Fantasy and Haloid served to do was get him hired; first in the video game industry as a combat designer, then his position at Rooster Teeth which got him RWBY.
>I'd go as far as to say that he was probably crap.
Probably. But we'll never know because he felt he needed writers. Unfortunately, they gave him Miles&Kerry.
>Heck, you'll even get people critquing his fight animation, saying it looks like "two dolls being mashed together".
We'll add that to the interminable list of stupid things people say on the net. Those without an appreciation for Monty's kinesthetic sense and intricate choreography aren't worth addressing. Not to imply that I agreed with every choice he made with regard to the fight scenes, because I didn't. Monty himself readily acknowledged faults and limitations in his style often and on camera. But any critique that outright discounts his skill, smacks of complaints I'd hear about "all that chop-socky stuff" in action movies from SE Asia, revealing the observer's inability to perceive or comprehend what was happening on the screen.
>>22738
>I can tell you for damn sure one thing, and that's that even with the good animation of the Red Trailer, it wouldn't have been half as good if it wasn't for the musical design.
From various interviews and the commentary tracks, even going as far back as Haloid, Monty used music to drive his conception of the action scenes. This continued on RWBY and if you listen to the commentary tracks you'll hear the staff talking about the temp audio tracks (either songs from bands/artists they like or from movies/games soundtracks) the animators work with while waiting for the finished music. Don't misread me I'd never seek to downplay the importance of the music, it's leagues better than the writing (and most of the animation) in the show deserves. It also draws a stark contrast with the show. Monty spoke a lot with Jeff about the show and I've seen the argument made that the soundtrack told a very different and deeper story than the writing. I'm sure you're already aware of this.
Specifically in the case of the "Red" trailer, Jeff's music, while it was an influence was not the inspiration. Monty said that the trailer was originally longer, no doubt driven by whatever music he was listening to while waiting for the track from Jeff Williams. Once he got the track he re-edited and shortened the trailer to fit with Jeff's music.
>arguably the single best piece of music
Fite me irl fgt!!! :) "From Shadows", ueber alles.
>Miles and Kerry are using what he had and what he told them, but they're not creative enough to come up with the real explanations the way Monty had in the back of his mind.
As far as using what he told them goes, I'll point again to what Shane said:
>But guess what— they didn’t even write it in the script because they didn’t look at what Monty created for the scene before they began! It was all available to them before Monty passed away, and after he was gone I made sure all those scenes were available to them— that they had them in their hands. It was even more of a surprise to me since I had rendered out Monty’s timelines for them, at the Producer’s request, before production even started. They didn’t even look at what Monty, the creator of the show, made for his show.
Miles&Kerry appear not to care what Monty had in mind. They undercut him when he was alive and are free to ignore him now that he's passed.
>Given Ozpins name, however, I imagine that there has been a wizard in the story since at least Volume 1 production was going on.
But you know from Baum's book or the film that the Wizard in Oz is a humbug, a faker. He's not a real wizard, he just makes people think he is.
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."
>I will say this - I'm quite sure I'll stop watching the day we cease getting Jeff Williams musical scores.
Why watch at all, in that case? Why not just wait for the eventual release of the soundtrack?
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1d8311 No.22776
>>22738
> The major difference without Monty, besides lower quality animation, is going to be their confusion over what he left behind. The magic thing you mentioned is a good example of that. Monty probably came up with the Ozpin/Salem conflict, the Maidens, the silver eyes, and everything else. He had his own idea of what they were. Miles and Kerry are using what he had and what he told them, but they're not creative enough to come up with the real explanations the way Monty had in the back of his mind.
>>22775
>Miles&Kerry appear not to care what Monty had in mind. They undercut him when he was alive and are free to ignore him now that he's passed.
I would say Miles seemed very upset after Monty's death, so I imagine "going against the notes" would be a sore spot for him. If not him, then someone in production- and they'd have leaked that info (anonymously of course).
Plus, Monty was a mess story writing (trailers being non-canon then canon, etc). So it wouldn't shock me if he was saying "magic doesn't exist" so the maidens/Salem would be "surprise."
Unless Miles is secretly hoping RWBY dies so he can push other projects (is Camp Camp his?) I can see Monty's death being a kick to the balls and with everyone scrambling to get animators at his level, that it gives him a "I need to step-up my game" moment.
Now all I'm saying is that he's tried to improve. That doesn't mean he has.
They could follow Monty's notes to the T or throw them in the incinerator- apart from saying "but Monty wanted it" as a defense, all that'll matter is if the story makes sense, and if it's presented well.
Now the cast is "older" (even though it's been a few months. In the panel they joked with each other saying "Is she legal now?"), I'm concerned they'll make the characters too dark or "mature"- and losing what made them special. Ruby is big kid that can get serious, for example. But with Chibi letting them do all their high-school antics they could have put into a longer season 1 or 2, I'm worried the show will just turn edgy.
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1d8311 No.22790
>>22776
>I would say Miles seemed very upset after Monty's death, so I imagine "going against the notes" would be a sore spot for him
Not questioning whether his grief was genuine. Just pointing to the only firsthand info we have. And it shows us that Miles&Kerry (whom I only point to because they're the most visible, I could include the fish-man too) didn't care what Monty's directions were for the show. Whether the directions are good or bad is immaterial. The point was that "they didn't even look".
>Unless Miles is secretly hoping RWBY dies
I was going to say that RWBY was a Rooster Teeth cash cow but that would be wrong. The fans are the cows, RWBY is what Rooster Teeth uses to get the milk.
>it gives him a "I need to step-up my game" moment
More like it gave him an "I need to stop messing around" moment. The first two volumes are so full of air and wasted time they had to concoct the "World of Remnant" videos instead of just putting the necessary exposition in the show. Though I may disagree with the placement of the characters at Beacon Academy, as a way to start the show, they could have made the most of it. Instead, we got things like the execreble "Jaune Arc", largely purposeless things that padded out the runtime while adding nothing except plot holes. How do faked transcripts get you into a combat academy? We saw how Ruby was recruited and we saw the skill level of the other characters in comparison to him. If I fake my transcripts can I make it into an olympic level gymnastics academy without possessing enough physical dexterity to perform a cartwheel or sommersault?
>all that'll matter is if the story makes sense, and if it's presented well.
The show hasn't made sense since we found out that Torchwick was stealing Dust back in volume 1. Dust is vital to the existence of mankind on the world of Remnant, so the fact he'd amassed a warehouse full by the beginning of Volume 02 and didn't have all 4 kingdoms out for his hide never made sense. Even his strolling into the Dust shop in the first episode when viewed in light of the importance that Dust has to the world doesn't make sense. Just think about–
WARNING! WARNING! RANT IS IMMINENT! DISENGAGING!
Phew! That was close.
What I mean to say is that unless Miles&Kerry fundamentally revise their approach to storytelling then there's no hope.
>I'm worried the show will just turn edgy.
I'd say there's no chance of that. The so-called somberness of the latter part of Volume 3 was undercut by situations that made no sense and characters behaving stupidly. So if nothing else any attempts at approaching THE EDGE will be undermined by the writing and you can laugh as it tries to take itself seriously.
Damn, that came out a lot more cynically than I expected.
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1d8311 No.22808
>Miles & Kerry Cancer
Let's hope they can unfuck things, if only slightly. If Bumblebee becomes a thing (I'm indifferent to it) they'll have a small margin to hit (but miss) if they want it to work out right. Maybe, the autist fans will like it no matter what.
Just don't fuck up Best Girl, her timeskip form is filling out nicely.
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1d8311 No.22950
>>22738
I presumed it was more of a synergistic development where Monty described to Jeff what he had in mind while animating the trailer and Jeff developed the music with those themes. But I was wrong, from what Jeff says, it sounds iike he first saw the "Red" trailer after Monty finished his original cut.
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1d8311 No.23159
On a more positive note, the animators have finally gotten those quadruped rigs. The animal motions are much more natural looking having previously always looked like people doing poor animal imitations. Though hearing how Joel did the motions for the Beringel, I wonder if there aren't any zoos where they could go and get video footage of animals as well as observe for themselves how the animals move.
Also how does the name "Beringel" fit with Nevermore and Beowulf as a name for a type of Grimm.
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1d8311 No.23187
>>23159
Apparently the gorilla was done by one of the mocap actors saying "I'll be right back" and re-appearing with child's crutches.
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1d8311 No.23217
>>23187
What kind of guy just has child's crutches lying around?
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1d8311 No.23220
>>23217
He found them somewhere. The idea of him grabbing a crippled kids crutches is pretty funny though.
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1d8311 No.23221
Vid for those who didn't see it.
>>23187
>>23220
If he'd told the story the way you posted it, the joke would have worked, but just like in his writing he flubs it. By mentioning the store first, he precluded any funny conclusions one could come to about where Joel got the crutches. Even though we hear Lindsey ("No, he stole them!") and Barbara ("Beat up a kid!") trying to be funny about it, its too late at that point, we know he bought the crutches.
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1d8311 No.23271
>>23221
And with just that right there, you summed up everything wrong with the comedic writing and timing in RWBY.
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1d8311 No.23745
>>2502
Not really speculation, just a few notes and ideas about where the series stands.
In Volume 03, Chapter 12, Yang tells Ruby that, "No one outside of Vale knows what happened here." That explanation may work in the short term, but we know that representatives from all 4 kingdoms were present at the Vytal Festival. Those representatives should have taken stories of what happened back to their respective kingdoms, reporting the events to the councils and monarchs. That brings up a flaw in the portrayal of the event which I'll ignore for now. Communication between kingdoms was made easier with the use of the CCTS but should still exist without it though far less conveniently/efficiently. So with the timeskip going from Fall to Winter before RNJR sets out on their journey, the councils of the 4 kingdoms should have reached some kind of understanding with regard to the events of the Vytal Festival. Whether or not the other Kingdoms choose to believe Atlas, considering the one-sided transmission that Cinder sent out, will be interesting to see. The kingdoms could very well be on the brink of war if things have deteriorated far enough. I'm curious what has kept the Vale military from wiping out the Grimm on the tower in Beacon and in the city for that matter. Where is the Vale military? Atlas was providing security for the tournament, but what about the general protection of the kingdom? The RWBY wiki states that not all kingdoms have standing militaries, but it gives no reference or source for that assertion and given that the human(?) inhabitants of Remnant had to fight to establish their very existence on the planet, such an idea seems absurd. Or why didn't the Atlas military return in force to clear out the infestation? Ironwood was present for the events of the Vytal Festival, did he abandon Qrow & Glenda once he got back to Atlas?
The huge Grimm frozen on the tower is said to be attracting Grimm but there was no mention of it producing anymore Grimm as it had when it was animate. That brings up questions about the range-of-attraction. Are the Grimm being drawn only from the areas within or immediately outside the kingdom of Vale or does this affect Grimm everywhere on Remnant? Does that then mean that other kingdoms/settlements/villages are plagued by less Grimm or free of them all together? And, if Yang is still moping around, is she attracting Grimm to Taiyang's house? Still hard to take the Creatures of Grimm seriously considering they've shied away from letting them be vicious. From the earliest, they've removed every ounce of fear or dread one should feel at the appearence of the Grimm. After three volumes their on-screen kill count stands at a measly total of 1 (RIP Torchwick, you deserved better). The RTX trailer didn't help with that, after such a dramatic set up, showing Ruby (clumsily) taking on and killing a new, stronger Grimm all by herself.
Regarding our travelers:
Ruby knows her father and sister are on Patch. Her sniper rifle/scythe now has a war scythe configuration so any other weapon or technique changes will be interesting. Maybe they'll bring back her weapon-loving personality from the 1st episodes of Volume 01. Never really understood how Ruby could be seen as being an "innocent" given the world she lives in. Ruby may have romanticized notions about being a huntress but she was already a proficient killer of (lower-level) Grimm when she showed up at the school and grew up in a cabin on an island infested with them. That applies in varying degrees to the rest of the cast as well.
Ren & Nora seem to be orphans (of war?) who've bonded to each other on an auric/soul level. We've not been given much about their history aside from that line Nora said in Volume 03, Chapter 01, " Ren and I have no parents, we have no home left to go to…". According to Suicidal Soldier Pyrrha, "Ren and Nora wanted to shadow the sheriff of a nearby village." but that got thwarted by the (silly) Grimm invasion at the end of Volume 02. Maybe RNJR will stop by that village on their way to Mistral given Beacon and the surrounding area are overrun with very powerful Grimm. And cut out the unnecessary comedic Ren nonsense that happened in Volume 03.
Jaune has yet to convince me that he's not the writers' pet character so its difficult not to hope he gets eaten by a Giant Squirrel Grimm as the team goes through the Emerald Forest. He's consumed so much screen time that the writers really need to backseat him until plot necessary moments. We know about Jaune's family through bits of dialogue from previous volumes. I'd have said that getting to his family to make sure they were safe would be a priority for him, but from the CCTS World of Remnant & the Volume 04 trailer they showed at RTX, we know that the Scrolls work; so intra-kingdom communication is unaffected. Since SS Pyrrha was from Mistral, RNJR could look-up any relatives she had to explain what ultimately happened to her.
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1d8311 No.23746
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>>2502
>Had to break it in two to post.
>>23745
As to those left behind:
Weiss is home in Atlas, "safe" under her father's purview. After fighting so hard to get out, (if the events of the manga are canon) she must have been really shaken when her father came to get her rather than just delegating her retrieval to an aide or functionary. If the kingdoms are on a war footing because of what happened in Vale, then Weiss may be more isolated than ever. Weiss always struck me as the most "innocent" of the original 4 girls. If ever there was anyone whose worldview can be said to be naive it was her. But even that gets tempered by the fact she's a Schnee and if she was going to inherit her family's company her father would make sure she'd have the necessary ruthlessness. The 3D model of the Schnee patriarch will need to have a more imposing presence than that 2D cutout Weiss was seated next to on the flight back to Atlas.
Blake isn't from the kingdoms and the White Fang seemed to be a nomadic operation. Out of the original 4 girls she had the most experience with the world as it really is. The change of her mentor/student relationship with Adam to a romantic one was disappointing, but its what we've been left with. New runaway-Blake needs to keep ahead of Adam and the White Fang while they in turn stay off the radar of the kingdoms of Remnant. Agree with posts upthread that the writers screwed up whatever they were trying to portray about the discrimination Faunus have experienced. Faunus integration seems to vary by kingdom with Atlas being the worst example. It's hard to say whether Faunus will have a rougher time in the kingdoms generally, or if the kingdoms will be actively rooting out any traces of the White Fang. The Faunus who were in Vale were as much victims of the Grimm attack as anyone, and have no reason to support the White Fang at this point.
When it comes to Yang, one-armed swordsman/boxer stories abound in (fictional) martial tradition and there's Oro from the Street Fighter series. I've seen her as much more world-wise than Weiss and a bit more than Ruby but much less than Blake. Since the series was concieved as one in which characters grew over time it'll be good if they can handle the change well. And maybe during her re-training she'll fix that temper problem the school never tried to address. Though if they're really skipping 6-8 months Yang should already be well into her recovery if not already fully recovered (not her arm, just her attitude). And since her finding her mother was a primary motivation, she should be getting the info that Qrow said he had for her in the last volume. If she's just been sitting around all this time, I won't know what to make of that.
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1d8311 No.23905
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Better quality this time, even though you have to see the backs of people's heads.
I'll leave aside the criticisms, for now.
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1d8311 No.23948
>>23905
Good find. Still hate the loud as fuck fans.
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1d8311 No.24788
>>23905
>Nora has longer hair and new outfit
>Ren has longer hair and new outfit
>Jaune cut his hair (?) and has still has the hoodie
Monty's rolling around in his grave
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1d8311 No.25369
>>24788
>Characters changing appearance slightly over the course of a 6-8 month timeskip where they're travelling the lands alone is somehow unnatural and bad
A U T I S M
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1d8311 No.25379
>>25369
>one of those things is not like the other
AUTISMO
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1d8311 No.26574
>>2513
>>22231
I don't really get the robot arm camp, it's too obvious for the return episode.
She should get an arm cannon instead. For the full effect, it'd be cool for her to become an antagonist from her anger and sense of betrayal.
WE'VE GIVEN EVERYTHING WE CAN!
THERE ARE NO HEROES LEFT IN MAN!
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1d8311 No.26906
>>26574
So are you guys a bit hyped for Volume 4?
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1d8311 No.26907
>>26906
Pretty much, notice what is going on on Yang's background. Marigold symbolism?
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1d8311 No.26912
>>26906
>>26907
> Ember Stumpica
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1d8311 No.27104
was going to ignore this since its so short, but since the short premieres tomorrow
how low can they go?
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1d8311 No.27133
So anybody webm'd the trailer?
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1d8311 No.27134
just released a few minutes ago
big as I can get it within the site limits
wasted time polishing when they could've put energy and effort toward the main series
this fight still makes no sense
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1d8311 No.27135
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>>27134
Filesize limits are supposed to be higher now, should be maxing out at 16MB from what I had heard.
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1d8311 No.27136
wew lads, i haven't posted here in a long time but i need to shake off the rust and hone my autism once more. good to be back
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1d8311 No.27138
>>27135
unfortunately the limit is 12,5mb
here it is again at 360p instead of 240p like before
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1d8311 No.27139
>>27138
Texture, models and lighting seem noticeably better, although I doubt that amount of quality will be upheld in the main series. Choreography and animation has me scratching my head a little. It felt like a bunch of 'cool' moments strapped together with filler, if you ask me
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1d8311 No.27141
>>27139
Exactly. Most likely will just watch the fight scenes, like I ALWAYS DID.
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1d8311 No.27144
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1d8311 No.27152
>>27135
>>27138
I swear at this point I don't even care what happens to rwby, what I really want to see is team jnpr, or rather, what's left of it.
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1d8311 No.27156
>>27144
>Explain.
Explain how Ruby used her bloom semblance to seemingly split in 3?
Or explain where, after tossing bits of masonry, the Beowulf found a boulder to throw?
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1d8311 No.27172
>>27156
Suspension of disbelief. And less animation work I suppose.
If this was directed by Kojima, there would be an entire codec conversation of how that boulder got there. Leave no detail unspoken.
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1d8311 No.27212
>>27172
>an entire codec conversation
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1d8311 No.27447
>>27139
Yeah, choreography is pretty bad. Ruby mostly uses her HCSS like a fucking sword, and it either cuts into grimm like butter without even firing (first few beowolves) or does fucking nothing while firing (harambe barely trips)
In all monty fights, Ruby uses twirling motions (like in some bo /naginata arts) and extensive use of crescent rose's recoil to add momentum to the spins (which is actually one of the best things a bout rwby - creative use of recoil for all weapons - but you won't be seeing it now, rip.)
Also, the whole thing does too damn fast and barely has any weight.
I'm convinced the new choreographer is either bad or hasn't studied how monty choreographed fights at all.
And Ruby cuts grimm into pieces using the blunt side of the scythe
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1d8311 No.27457
>>27135
Anyone notice Ruby's skin looked a little off?
Maybe the cel shading got toned down because the looks kind of plastic and un-expressive.
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1d8311 No.27461
>>27447
People seem to forget that Monty probably had the most natural talent for choreography of any animator in decades, thanks to all of the things he had studied. Shane, Dillon, and others have all had decent ability, but not to nearly the same degree.
They are never going to get back to the quality of Red Trailer no matter how much money and time they pour into it because they simply do not have people with the same resolve.
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1d8311 No.27526
>>27139
>Choreography and animation has me scratching my head a little.
>>27447
>Yeah, choreography is pretty bad. Ruby mostly uses her HCSS like a fucking sword
>Also, the whole thing does too damn fast and barely has any weight.
>I'm convinced the new choreographer is either bad or hasn't studied how monty choreographed fights at all.
Too much start-and-stop, not enough flow. They don't understand the rythm. Having a hi-res version of the trailer just served to confirm the problem viewers noticed with the way Ruby wields Cresent Rose. She does indeed wield it like a sword (or big stick) most of the time, with a majority of her strikes being one-handed. For big strikes she'll two-hand it then she goes right back to striking with one hand right after. All the time never firing Cresent Rose to propel herself the way she used to. Which makes me wonder, when Gray mentiond at NYCC this year that the animators are studying Monty's work, why isn't that translating to their work?
>>27461
>They are never going to get back to the quality of Red Trailer no matter how much money and time they pour into it because they simply do not have people with the same resolve.
That's the point a lot of anons (or people nuts enough to challenge the RWBY sub-reddit) are making. One guy with a workstation and substandard software through his determination and passion, his "resolve", are better than an animation team using industry standard software and a $27K render array.
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1d8311 No.27531
>>27526
>still no info on new Jaune design
Fucking hell, are they really gonna keep him the same?
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1d8311 No.27532
>>27526
I don't know how much of Shane's stuff was real and how much bullshit, but I believe that his information regarding Monty and Poser was accurate. I also believe, just considering the improvement in quality from volume to volume, that if Monty had stayed working with Poser and if his animation team were actually willing to do the same instead of relying on easy-mode software, they could have reached the point of something that actually looked amazing.
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1d8311 No.27533
>>27531
>Fucking hell, are they really gonna keep him the same?
see vid and pic
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1d8311 No.27537
>>27526
>>27461
>>27447
After careful examination, holy shit the choreographer is BEYOND BAD.
Exhibit 1,2,3. Ruby in default combat positions. Notice how one hand is on the handle which operates the bolt action and allows for a good grip, and the other on the shaft with a finger on the trigger.
Ruby readies either a strike (blade behind her, ready to rotate by pushing the handle, pulling with the trigger hand and shooting), or some shooting action (aiming at threats, ready to fire with one hand and reload with the other)
Exhibit 4. Ruby with her longsword, ready to either strike the ground or go flying if she shoots.
Exhibit 5, Ruby after a strike, pissed off because her grip is failing and Crescent Rose is about to go fly off into a house.
After studying this, I really have even more respect for Monty. The goddamn detail of it all.
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1d8311 No.27538
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>>27532
One of the more odd things Shane said in the letter was this:
>He spent more time at home working with her at his side than he did at the office, hoping to bring RWBY back on track to the way he wanted to tell the story.
There really was no way one could confirm this unless you happened to be there, until earlier this year RTX 2016. Gray, complained on a panel, that no one at the office knew about Neo until she appeared at the end of Chapter 4, Volume 2. His main complaint was that they needed to put the character into the episode earlier to make her appearence at the end of the episode make sense. Of course this meant more work for the team compositing her into that scene with Torchwick at the White Fang rally. This complaint was echoed then by some on the RWBY subreddit as an example of Monty being inconsiderate to the rest of the team. Anybody from the outside can look at this and see that it was ridiculous of Gray, and probably Miles&Kerry as well, to cause extra work for their precious team and then complain about it. Consider how it would be possible for Monty whose setup we have multiple pictures of to create a character that the rest of the team didn't know about unless he really was working away from the office. He stated in multiple interviews before RWBY that he lived across the street from the RT offices, and really only went home to shower and sleep (when he didn't just fall asleep at his desk). So why would he be working outside the office unless something serious had changed? But this incident as well as the absense of Raven from vol 3 (after appearing twice in vol 2) and Kathleen confirming his account, argues in favor of what Shane wrote being true in most respects. Having watched/listened to the RTX vids its amazing to me how they've basically admitted to taking pains to eliminate any freedom & spontaneity from the process to ensure that nothing like a "Monty" happens again.
Another passage that jumped out at me was:
>There was so much value in our (his) workflow— the workflow that caused people on the same team to begin to dislike him and how much power he had. But his power was never about control. He used it to make beautiful things, and no one could replicate what he did. Because of this, no matter what kind of changes and attempts to standardize our workflow were made, he continued to do what he did best.
Now without Monty everything has been broken down to an assembly line process. Listening to the commentary for volume 3, you can hear how happy the animators are with this new way of working. Their resentment of the old process thankfully doesn't come out a lot but its there. It was there in the older commentaries though more hidden. Now they only need to do what they specialize in and congratulate themselves for staying at work a little late or coming in on a day off to finish something.
Despite everything, I agree with them jettisoning Poser from their pipeline. Just for the fact that if their team wasn't willing to become proficient with it when Monty was there to guide them and then Rooster Teeth fired Shane, who was the most familiar with the way Monty worked, then at that point the software would just be a stumbling block.
>>27537
>After studying this, I really have even more respect for Monty. The goddamn detail of it all.
And you noticed that just from looking at video. RT's animation department have Monty’s actual files available to them and still make mistakes like this.
But RWBY is all pretty now. So be happy and remember to buy lots of that sweet, sweet merch.
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1d8311 No.27539
>>27538
>So be happy and remember to buy lots of that sweet, sweet merch.
>Implying there's such a thing as sweet RWBY merch made by RT
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1d8311 No.27541
>>27533
One detail I noticed was Jaune got new armour and boots. That and the fact he's wearing Pyrrha's sash.
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1d8311 No.27593
>>27537
>The quality of the models has improved
>But the fights have gotten sloppy and poorly animated
It's like a monkey's paw wish made real.
It makes me even more sad that Monty's gone.
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1d8311 No.27822
Where the fuck do I get the episodes from.
rwbyg club is dead, and I don't want to wait, but neither do I want to give Burnie more shekels.
The fuck do I do?
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1d8311 No.27972
>>27538
The specialization thing really hits home with how things are nowadays.
In the past, if you went into a profession, you had to become a master of it. If you were an architect you had to pass a massively complex test to get your license, with years of training and practice to become good at every aspect of the design on your own. If you were an engineer you knew every aspect of your engineering field, with a civil engineer being able to make buildings, bridges, city plans, the whole nine yards. Nowadays everyone specializes. They form groups and firms where everyone does one thing that they're very good at and then collaborate together into making it. From time to time impressive things come about, but they're always attributable to the organization. There is no such thing as great craftsmen in the modern age because nothing is made with the hands of a single person.
Monty Oum had the ability to create things on his own. He had some areas he wasn't as strong in, as nobody is going to be the absolute best at everything. But overall, his talents were extraordinary. Having seen what happens to such people, I can only imagine that he was subjected to a great deal of jealousy from the other animators in the studio. To be honest, can you really blame them? Most of them went to college and paid tens of thousands of dollars just to acquire a fraction of the skill he acquired on his own.
RWBY was created by Monty. But RoosterTeeth didn't want the RWBY that Monty created. They got what they wanted, and they got it in the most fucked up way they could have.
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1d8311 No.27974
Season 4 needs more Udogi and Inabas.
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1d8311 No.28266
Its short and doesn't say much, but this part in particular is contradicted by the events of Volume 3:
>Let's talk about Vale. In the grand scheme of things, Vale's pretty well guarded.
So Vale is well-guarded but Beacon wasn't?
Also posting a screenshot of a transcription by a redditor.
>>27972
Wonderfully said.
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1d8311 No.28270
>>27972
>Monty had the ability to create things on his Oum.
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1d8311 No.28271
>>27538
> RT's animation department have Monty’s actual files available to them and still make mistakes like this.
This is the stuff that makes me mad. Why don't they use those until they get a good animator? As long as they are edited in a clever way, using different cuts, and different camera angles, it will be ok. Monty used to do that all the time anyway.
I'd take those recicled clips over whatever we had on V4's trailer all the fucking day.
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1d8311 No.28310
After telling us practically nothing about the culture & tech of Vale this WOR is marginally better. Since RNJR are headed to Haven, which is in Mistral, its nice to finally get some concrete info.
>>28271
>Why don't they use those until they get a good animator?
dunno for sure. But having watched/listened/read what they have to say, there's probably a certain level of professional jealousy/resentment involved.
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1d8311 No.28336
Longest one yet. Maybe they should've all been 3-5 mins.
Mantle births Alcaeus, becomes Atlas, which then supplants Mantle as the new capital.
Looking at the info in this and the previous vid, we really got gypped on the Vale one.
>ALWAYS AIMING HIGHER:
>Like all filmmakers and creators, the team behind RWBY want to push themselves to the limit. Whether the improvements are from the technical side or aesthetically, better is the goal.
>"We’ve never had a single year where we decided ‘You know what? Let’s just do that again. Let’s just do the exact same thing we did the previous volume. Have it look the same, have it feel the same,' it’s never been that. Across the board, I think the thing I love the most about this team is they always strive to take things to the next level," Shawcross said.
>"Just looking at the evolution, again using RWBY as an example, to go back and look at RWBY Volume 1 and compare that to what we’re capable of now with RWBY Volume 4 and seeing that progression year after year I couldn’t be prouder of the team and everything that they’ve been accomplished," said Haddock.
>Shawcross told KVUE that each stage of the show's production - from writing and recording to storyboarding and animating - takes at least two weeks.
>“Some departments are already working on episodes 8 and 9. And there are some that are working on (episode) 1," said Shawcross.
>As the show continues to aims higher and to evolve, the producers are excited for what the audience will see in the coming volume.
>“Volumes 1-3 were definitely a contained arc, and now Volume 4 is the start of a new arc," said Shawcross. "A lot of people think that it’s going to be this big “doom and gloom” thing, and that’s not what it’s going to be. It’s still ‘RWBY,’ there’s still going to be jokes, there’s still going to be cool fights, but a big thing has happened in the world and there is also going to be a lot of people coming to terms with that and how they deal with that and move on.”
Rooster Teeth Animation moves to new building ahead of 'RWBY Volume 4'
http://www.kvue.com/entertainment/rooster-teeth-animation-expanding/337143312
https://archive.is/V3skZ
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1d8311 No.28338
>>28336
> there's still going to be jokes
That were never funny.
> there's still going to be cool fights
Blatant lies.
It's going to be shit. Shit.
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1d8311 No.28388
>>28310
>there's probably a certain level of professional jealousy/resentment involved.
If a team is willing to risk their work's quality to avoid hurting their personal egos, they are a shit team that cares very little about that work. Simple as that.
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1d8311 No.28393
>>28310
The green guy in the middle kinda looks like Bane, but with horns.
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1d8311 No.28394
>>28338
At least the music might still be good.
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1d8311 No.28403
The fourth and final WOR before the 4th season premiere. Strange that they didn't drop any names this time. No name for the regions within Vacuo, the desert, the oasis, or even the temporary government established after the war.
>>28338
>It's going to be shit. Shit.
Yes, but grab your hazmat suit and your respirator. We've still got to examine it.
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1d8311 No.28513
>>28403
I really hate how they need these episodes which is just pure exposition. It just seems lazy. I know they have a limited budget and the whole school setting was very restrictive but still doesn't excuse this entirely.
>>28266
So fish grimm confirmed and Vale confirmed for having no culture aka its a (((culturally enriched))) shithole
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1d8311 No.28555
>>28513
They failed to do exposition in a school setting.
A place where teachers and students would discuss history.
Unless you had longer episodes (and an even lower ratio of fights:action) then I can see why they wouldn't get it in. The only exposition they did well was Faunus persecution
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1d8311 No.28558
>>28336
> Some people are working on later episodes
Why?
Yes you "save time on that harder sequence later", but you also lose time on the easy shit you can do in the first episode.
Not to mention if mid-season you discover a plot-hole or the audience call bullshit, you're already aiming to go further up shit creek.
Or just make all the episodes first, then release.
It's not like the hardcore RWBY fans won't wait.
Like >>27972 says, they need a Monty for fights, a Monty for casual animation, and anyone else writing it.
>>27972
I'd be shocked if there was jealousy. The one thing I've noticed among the "I want to create, I'm going to university" crowd is that they never show jealousy. Nativity sure ("I can reach that level if I just [something that won't work]"), but never bitter. Since it admits they are lesser, that they are afraid they can't make it. Ex-animators- bitter as hell. But amateur ones that are currently working tend to be pleasant to everyone. But inside or subliminally? Who knows.
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1d8311 No.28577
>>28555
checked
Yeah I kind of forgot about history classes but either it would just be a ton of exposition either way. Oobleck confirmed for lazy teacher.
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1d8311 No.28820
>>28513
>I really hate how they need these episodes which is just pure exposition. It just seems lazy.
They took up the time they could have used for exposition with bad jokes and Jaune scenes.
>>28555
>The only exposition they did well was Faunus persecution
The Mountain Glenn exposition Oobleck delivered in Volume 2 was done well. Though I wonder if that wasn't the result of working with that specific voice actor considering how sporadic writing like that is in the series.
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1d8311 No.32305
So now that the season has started what is everyone's opinions on it. I know it might be redundant because of the season 4 discussion thread but I would like to know how let down you are on a scale from 1 to 10 or if it met your expectations.
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