1d8311 No.2502 [View All]
Seeing how Volume 3 just ended, I believe we should unleash our autistic powers and meme our own story lines into the show speculate on what's in store for Volume 4.
Personally, I think they will arrive in Haven to find themselves at the brink of a civil war happening, between the "extremists" who are rabidly anti-Faunus and those who want to keep society normal. remember that RT is made up of liberal faggots
Blake's got all the makings of becoming Batman, someone who fights in the shadows in order for her friends to be safe, and my guess is Sun will be helping her out because he's that hard-headed.
Yang will continue to mope around, until Taiyang lights a fire under her ass, somehow. or maybe it'll be Raven that does it. Or both.
Weiss will continue to live under her father's rule. She must choose between being completely disowned by the family and helping her friends, or continue to be groomed as heiress.
Roman and Neo will return. no fucking way they got killed.
Penny, stay dead. You too, Prryha.
what do you think, my fellow anons?
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1d8311 No.25369
>>24788
>Characters changing appearance slightly over the course of a 6-8 month timeskip where they're travelling the lands alone is somehow unnatural and bad
A U T I S M
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1d8311 No.25379
>>25369
>one of those things is not like the other
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1d8311 No.26574
>>2513
>>22231
I don't really get the robot arm camp, it's too obvious for the return episode.
She should get an arm cannon instead. For the full effect, it'd be cool for her to become an antagonist from her anger and sense of betrayal.
WE'VE GIVEN EVERYTHING WE CAN!
THERE ARE NO HEROES LEFT IN MAN!
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1d8311 No.26906
>>26574
So are you guys a bit hyped for Volume 4?
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1d8311 No.26907
>>26906
Pretty much, notice what is going on on Yang's background. Marigold symbolism?
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1d8311 No.26912
>>26906
>>26907
> Ember Stumpica
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1d8311 No.27104
was going to ignore this since its so short, but since the short premieres tomorrow
how low can they go?
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1d8311 No.27133
So anybody webm'd the trailer?
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1d8311 No.27134
just released a few minutes ago
big as I can get it within the site limits
wasted time polishing when they could've put energy and effort toward the main series
this fight still makes no sense
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1d8311 No.27135
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>>27134
Filesize limits are supposed to be higher now, should be maxing out at 16MB from what I had heard.
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1d8311 No.27136
wew lads, i haven't posted here in a long time but i need to shake off the rust and hone my autism once more. good to be back
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1d8311 No.27138
>>27135
unfortunately the limit is 12,5mb
here it is again at 360p instead of 240p like before
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1d8311 No.27139
>>27138
Texture, models and lighting seem noticeably better, although I doubt that amount of quality will be upheld in the main series. Choreography and animation has me scratching my head a little. It felt like a bunch of 'cool' moments strapped together with filler, if you ask me
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1d8311 No.27141
>>27139
Exactly. Most likely will just watch the fight scenes, like I ALWAYS DID.
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1d8311 No.27144
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1d8311 No.27152
>>27135
>>27138
I swear at this point I don't even care what happens to rwby, what I really want to see is team jnpr, or rather, what's left of it.
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1d8311 No.27156
>>27144
>Explain.
Explain how Ruby used her bloom semblance to seemingly split in 3?
Or explain where, after tossing bits of masonry, the Beowulf found a boulder to throw?
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1d8311 No.27172
>>27156
Suspension of disbelief. And less animation work I suppose.
If this was directed by Kojima, there would be an entire codec conversation of how that boulder got there. Leave no detail unspoken.
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1d8311 No.27212
>>27172
>an entire codec conversation
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1d8311 No.27447
>>27139
Yeah, choreography is pretty bad. Ruby mostly uses her HCSS like a fucking sword, and it either cuts into grimm like butter without even firing (first few beowolves) or does fucking nothing while firing (harambe barely trips)
In all monty fights, Ruby uses twirling motions (like in some bo /naginata arts) and extensive use of crescent rose's recoil to add momentum to the spins (which is actually one of the best things a bout rwby - creative use of recoil for all weapons - but you won't be seeing it now, rip.)
Also, the whole thing does too damn fast and barely has any weight.
I'm convinced the new choreographer is either bad or hasn't studied how monty choreographed fights at all.
And Ruby cuts grimm into pieces using the blunt side of the scythe
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1d8311 No.27457
>>27135
Anyone notice Ruby's skin looked a little off?
Maybe the cel shading got toned down because the looks kind of plastic and un-expressive.
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1d8311 No.27461
>>27447
People seem to forget that Monty probably had the most natural talent for choreography of any animator in decades, thanks to all of the things he had studied. Shane, Dillon, and others have all had decent ability, but not to nearly the same degree.
They are never going to get back to the quality of Red Trailer no matter how much money and time they pour into it because they simply do not have people with the same resolve.
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1d8311 No.27526
>>27139
>Choreography and animation has me scratching my head a little.
>>27447
>Yeah, choreography is pretty bad. Ruby mostly uses her HCSS like a fucking sword
>Also, the whole thing does too damn fast and barely has any weight.
>I'm convinced the new choreographer is either bad or hasn't studied how monty choreographed fights at all.
Too much start-and-stop, not enough flow. They don't understand the rythm. Having a hi-res version of the trailer just served to confirm the problem viewers noticed with the way Ruby wields Cresent Rose. She does indeed wield it like a sword (or big stick) most of the time, with a majority of her strikes being one-handed. For big strikes she'll two-hand it then she goes right back to striking with one hand right after. All the time never firing Cresent Rose to propel herself the way she used to. Which makes me wonder, when Gray mentiond at NYCC this year that the animators are studying Monty's work, why isn't that translating to their work?
>>27461
>They are never going to get back to the quality of Red Trailer no matter how much money and time they pour into it because they simply do not have people with the same resolve.
That's the point a lot of anons (or people nuts enough to challenge the RWBY sub-reddit) are making. One guy with a workstation and substandard software through his determination and passion, his "resolve", are better than an animation team using industry standard software and a $27K render array.
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1d8311 No.27531
>>27526
>still no info on new Jaune design
Fucking hell, are they really gonna keep him the same?
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1d8311 No.27532
>>27526
I don't know how much of Shane's stuff was real and how much bullshit, but I believe that his information regarding Monty and Poser was accurate. I also believe, just considering the improvement in quality from volume to volume, that if Monty had stayed working with Poser and if his animation team were actually willing to do the same instead of relying on easy-mode software, they could have reached the point of something that actually looked amazing.
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1d8311 No.27533
>>27531
>Fucking hell, are they really gonna keep him the same?
see vid and pic
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1d8311 No.27537
>>27526
>>27461
>>27447
After careful examination, holy shit the choreographer is BEYOND BAD.
Exhibit 1,2,3. Ruby in default combat positions. Notice how one hand is on the handle which operates the bolt action and allows for a good grip, and the other on the shaft with a finger on the trigger.
Ruby readies either a strike (blade behind her, ready to rotate by pushing the handle, pulling with the trigger hand and shooting), or some shooting action (aiming at threats, ready to fire with one hand and reload with the other)
Exhibit 4. Ruby with her longsword, ready to either strike the ground or go flying if she shoots.
Exhibit 5, Ruby after a strike, pissed off because her grip is failing and Crescent Rose is about to go fly off into a house.
After studying this, I really have even more respect for Monty. The goddamn detail of it all.
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1d8311 No.27538
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>>27532
One of the more odd things Shane said in the letter was this:
>He spent more time at home working with her at his side than he did at the office, hoping to bring RWBY back on track to the way he wanted to tell the story.
There really was no way one could confirm this unless you happened to be there, until earlier this year RTX 2016. Gray, complained on a panel, that no one at the office knew about Neo until she appeared at the end of Chapter 4, Volume 2. His main complaint was that they needed to put the character into the episode earlier to make her appearence at the end of the episode make sense. Of course this meant more work for the team compositing her into that scene with Torchwick at the White Fang rally. This complaint was echoed then by some on the RWBY subreddit as an example of Monty being inconsiderate to the rest of the team. Anybody from the outside can look at this and see that it was ridiculous of Gray, and probably Miles&Kerry as well, to cause extra work for their precious team and then complain about it. Consider how it would be possible for Monty whose setup we have multiple pictures of to create a character that the rest of the team didn't know about unless he really was working away from the office. He stated in multiple interviews before RWBY that he lived across the street from the RT offices, and really only went home to shower and sleep (when he didn't just fall asleep at his desk). So why would he be working outside the office unless something serious had changed? But this incident as well as the absense of Raven from vol 3 (after appearing twice in vol 2) and Kathleen confirming his account, argues in favor of what Shane wrote being true in most respects. Having watched/listened to the RTX vids its amazing to me how they've basically admitted to taking pains to eliminate any freedom & spontaneity from the process to ensure that nothing like a "Monty" happens again.
Another passage that jumped out at me was:
>There was so much value in our (his) workflow— the workflow that caused people on the same team to begin to dislike him and how much power he had. But his power was never about control. He used it to make beautiful things, and no one could replicate what he did. Because of this, no matter what kind of changes and attempts to standardize our workflow were made, he continued to do what he did best.
Now without Monty everything has been broken down to an assembly line process. Listening to the commentary for volume 3, you can hear how happy the animators are with this new way of working. Their resentment of the old process thankfully doesn't come out a lot but its there. It was there in the older commentaries though more hidden. Now they only need to do what they specialize in and congratulate themselves for staying at work a little late or coming in on a day off to finish something.
Despite everything, I agree with them jettisoning Poser from their pipeline. Just for the fact that if their team wasn't willing to become proficient with it when Monty was there to guide them and then Rooster Teeth fired Shane, who was the most familiar with the way Monty worked, then at that point the software would just be a stumbling block.
>>27537
>After studying this, I really have even more respect for Monty. The goddamn detail of it all.
And you noticed that just from looking at video. RT's animation department have Monty’s actual files available to them and still make mistakes like this.
But RWBY is all pretty now. So be happy and remember to buy lots of that sweet, sweet merch.
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1d8311 No.27539
>>27538
>So be happy and remember to buy lots of that sweet, sweet merch.
>Implying there's such a thing as sweet RWBY merch made by RT
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1d8311 No.27541
>>27533
One detail I noticed was Jaune got new armour and boots. That and the fact he's wearing Pyrrha's sash.
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1d8311 No.27593
>>27537
>The quality of the models has improved
>But the fights have gotten sloppy and poorly animated
It's like a monkey's paw wish made real.
It makes me even more sad that Monty's gone.
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1d8311 No.27822
Where the fuck do I get the episodes from.
rwbyg club is dead, and I don't want to wait, but neither do I want to give Burnie more shekels.
The fuck do I do?
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1d8311 No.27972
>>27538
The specialization thing really hits home with how things are nowadays.
In the past, if you went into a profession, you had to become a master of it. If you were an architect you had to pass a massively complex test to get your license, with years of training and practice to become good at every aspect of the design on your own. If you were an engineer you knew every aspect of your engineering field, with a civil engineer being able to make buildings, bridges, city plans, the whole nine yards. Nowadays everyone specializes. They form groups and firms where everyone does one thing that they're very good at and then collaborate together into making it. From time to time impressive things come about, but they're always attributable to the organization. There is no such thing as great craftsmen in the modern age because nothing is made with the hands of a single person.
Monty Oum had the ability to create things on his own. He had some areas he wasn't as strong in, as nobody is going to be the absolute best at everything. But overall, his talents were extraordinary. Having seen what happens to such people, I can only imagine that he was subjected to a great deal of jealousy from the other animators in the studio. To be honest, can you really blame them? Most of them went to college and paid tens of thousands of dollars just to acquire a fraction of the skill he acquired on his own.
RWBY was created by Monty. But RoosterTeeth didn't want the RWBY that Monty created. They got what they wanted, and they got it in the most fucked up way they could have.
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1d8311 No.27974
Season 4 needs more Udogi and Inabas.
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1d8311 No.28266
Its short and doesn't say much, but this part in particular is contradicted by the events of Volume 3:
>Let's talk about Vale. In the grand scheme of things, Vale's pretty well guarded.
So Vale is well-guarded but Beacon wasn't?
Also posting a screenshot of a transcription by a redditor.
>>27972
Wonderfully said.
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1d8311 No.28270
>>27972
>Monty had the ability to create things on his Oum.
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1d8311 No.28271
>>27538
> RT's animation department have Monty’s actual files available to them and still make mistakes like this.
This is the stuff that makes me mad. Why don't they use those until they get a good animator? As long as they are edited in a clever way, using different cuts, and different camera angles, it will be ok. Monty used to do that all the time anyway.
I'd take those recicled clips over whatever we had on V4's trailer all the fucking day.
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1d8311 No.28310
After telling us practically nothing about the culture & tech of Vale this WOR is marginally better. Since RNJR are headed to Haven, which is in Mistral, its nice to finally get some concrete info.
>>28271
>Why don't they use those until they get a good animator?
dunno for sure. But having watched/listened/read what they have to say, there's probably a certain level of professional jealousy/resentment involved.
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1d8311 No.28336
Longest one yet. Maybe they should've all been 3-5 mins.
Mantle births Alcaeus, becomes Atlas, which then supplants Mantle as the new capital.
Looking at the info in this and the previous vid, we really got gypped on the Vale one.
>ALWAYS AIMING HIGHER:
>Like all filmmakers and creators, the team behind RWBY want to push themselves to the limit. Whether the improvements are from the technical side or aesthetically, better is the goal.
>"We’ve never had a single year where we decided ‘You know what? Let’s just do that again. Let’s just do the exact same thing we did the previous volume. Have it look the same, have it feel the same,' it’s never been that. Across the board, I think the thing I love the most about this team is they always strive to take things to the next level," Shawcross said.
>"Just looking at the evolution, again using RWBY as an example, to go back and look at RWBY Volume 1 and compare that to what we’re capable of now with RWBY Volume 4 and seeing that progression year after year I couldn’t be prouder of the team and everything that they’ve been accomplished," said Haddock.
>Shawcross told KVUE that each stage of the show's production - from writing and recording to storyboarding and animating - takes at least two weeks.
>“Some departments are already working on episodes 8 and 9. And there are some that are working on (episode) 1," said Shawcross.
>As the show continues to aims higher and to evolve, the producers are excited for what the audience will see in the coming volume.
>“Volumes 1-3 were definitely a contained arc, and now Volume 4 is the start of a new arc," said Shawcross. "A lot of people think that it’s going to be this big “doom and gloom” thing, and that’s not what it’s going to be. It’s still ‘RWBY,’ there’s still going to be jokes, there’s still going to be cool fights, but a big thing has happened in the world and there is also going to be a lot of people coming to terms with that and how they deal with that and move on.”
Rooster Teeth Animation moves to new building ahead of 'RWBY Volume 4'
http://www.kvue.com/entertainment/rooster-teeth-animation-expanding/337143312
https://archive.is/V3skZ
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1d8311 No.28338
>>28336
> there's still going to be jokes
That were never funny.
> there's still going to be cool fights
Blatant lies.
It's going to be shit. Shit.
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1d8311 No.28388
>>28310
>there's probably a certain level of professional jealousy/resentment involved.
If a team is willing to risk their work's quality to avoid hurting their personal egos, they are a shit team that cares very little about that work. Simple as that.
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1d8311 No.28393
>>28310
The green guy in the middle kinda looks like Bane, but with horns.
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1d8311 No.28394
>>28338
At least the music might still be good.
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1d8311 No.28403
The fourth and final WOR before the 4th season premiere. Strange that they didn't drop any names this time. No name for the regions within Vacuo, the desert, the oasis, or even the temporary government established after the war.
>>28338
>It's going to be shit. Shit.
Yes, but grab your hazmat suit and your respirator. We've still got to examine it.
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1d8311 No.28513
>>28403
I really hate how they need these episodes which is just pure exposition. It just seems lazy. I know they have a limited budget and the whole school setting was very restrictive but still doesn't excuse this entirely.
>>28266
So fish grimm confirmed and Vale confirmed for having no culture aka its a (((culturally enriched))) shithole
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1d8311 No.28555
>>28513
They failed to do exposition in a school setting.
A place where teachers and students would discuss history.
Unless you had longer episodes (and an even lower ratio of fights:action) then I can see why they wouldn't get it in. The only exposition they did well was Faunus persecution
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1d8311 No.28558
>>28336
> Some people are working on later episodes
Why?
Yes you "save time on that harder sequence later", but you also lose time on the easy shit you can do in the first episode.
Not to mention if mid-season you discover a plot-hole or the audience call bullshit, you're already aiming to go further up shit creek.
Or just make all the episodes first, then release.
It's not like the hardcore RWBY fans won't wait.
Like >>27972 says, they need a Monty for fights, a Monty for casual animation, and anyone else writing it.
>>27972
I'd be shocked if there was jealousy. The one thing I've noticed among the "I want to create, I'm going to university" crowd is that they never show jealousy. Nativity sure ("I can reach that level if I just [something that won't work]"), but never bitter. Since it admits they are lesser, that they are afraid they can't make it. Ex-animators- bitter as hell. But amateur ones that are currently working tend to be pleasant to everyone. But inside or subliminally? Who knows.
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1d8311 No.28577
>>28555
checked
Yeah I kind of forgot about history classes but either it would just be a ton of exposition either way. Oobleck confirmed for lazy teacher.
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1d8311 No.28820
>>28513
>I really hate how they need these episodes which is just pure exposition. It just seems lazy.
They took up the time they could have used for exposition with bad jokes and Jaune scenes.
>>28555
>The only exposition they did well was Faunus persecution
The Mountain Glenn exposition Oobleck delivered in Volume 2 was done well. Though I wonder if that wasn't the result of working with that specific voice actor considering how sporadic writing like that is in the series.
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1d8311 No.32305
So now that the season has started what is everyone's opinions on it. I know it might be redundant because of the season 4 discussion thread but I would like to know how let down you are on a scale from 1 to 10 or if it met your expectations.
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