No.13486
Greetings leaned elders of 8kun
Anyone ever look over Tesla's old patents and realize that we got totally screwed?
Many of you probably associate Nikola Tesla with Alternating Electrical current, but I bet NOT MANY of you know about his fascination with unidirectional impulse current. You see, many are only taught about electricity propagating in two forms, either AC current or Direct Current DC. Both of these require a return path back to source in-order to achieve what is thought of as electron flow. The third, and less widely understood form of power transmittal is in the form of impulse current or pulsed power. If you were to measure currents like this on an Oscilloscope (assuming this is over a conventional electric circuit) it would take the form of what is called a damped wave.
From what I understand, When these types of electric currents are pulsed directly into the earth, they emit another form of energy that propagates through and along the surface of and through the planet in the form of Sommerfeld-Zenneck waves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenneck_wave
These waves of electromagnetic energy (or more appropriately termed, magnetodielectricity) are NOT streams of electrons. They are longitudenal waves (as opposed to transverse waves) of oscillating magnetic polarity and dielectric potential of the materials through which they propagate. No serious study has gone into this phenomena, at least not publicly. And if it has, it's behind some pay walls. I challenge anyone on this forum to find me the speed at which this effect travels.
It is this phenomena of longitudinal magnetodielectric current which can be harnessed and used to make the Earth "Ring like a bell" as some have said.
I believe that this is the phenomena that Tesla would have used to transmit wireless power.
Another example of this wave would be an EMP blast from a nuclear device or an Explosively pumped flux compression generator. These are examples of unidirectional magnetodielectric current. No need for a return path like in a conventional electric circuit.
So, the goal would be to transmit power as a magnetodielectric current, and then convert it back to conventional electricity when it reaches it's destination.
As an interesting side thought, look into degaussing coils that used to be used on navel vessels to make them invisible to magnetic mines.
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No.13511
It can be difficult to find academic work on the subject probably because academics work on what their funding pays them to work on.
Is there something you want to know?
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No.13512
>>13511
Yes, plenty. Are you someone who can assist?
First off, some further explanation. I'd like to cite the work of Charles Proteus Steinmetz:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Proteus_Steinmetz
He wrote a book called Electric Discharges, Waves And Impulses, And Other Transients. Within this book, Steinmetz laid the foundation for modern electrical understanding using models that did not include the electron, instead, it relied on magnetic and dielectric fields of influence. His work was well regarded at the time, and even today no one is able to disprove ANYTHING he modeled within that book. However, very few electrical engineers have ever heard of this man.
I'd like to know why this man's work is not at the forefront of scientific inquiry today for starters.
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No.13513
>>13511
It seems like there are articles on the web regarding the MagnetoDielectric effect. But it only applies to nano technology. Self assembling nano machines. If you know anything about that, feel free to enlighten me.
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No.13514
>>13511
Honestly though, I'm just trying to spark the discussion. I believe that an emp, is effectively one manifestation of this Magneto Dielectric current. Another manifestation would be Telluric Currents:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telluric_current
I also believe that it's these currents that inventors like Thomas Moray used to power his apparent "Free Energy" devices. Please understand, I'm not trying to frame this phenomena as Free Energy. But, it's a type of energy that can penetrate almost any shielding (at least in the form of an EMP) and does not require a return path for "electron flow".
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No.13515
>>13513
On top of all that. I'd like to point y'all to the work of Eric Dollard. A former RCA technician and Navel Radio and Microwave engineer. Many of the things I'm trying to describe actually stem from his work (as well as a few others).
https://ericpdollard.com/
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No.13516
>>13513
Please also understand that I'm not trying to disprove modern electron theory. The concept of the electron has been incredibly useful for the past 100 years or so. And it can be used to model electricity (to some degree) within modern electrical circuits and theory, but I feel like there are deeper, less well understood properties of electricity that models like Charles Steinmetz would more appropriately describe.
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No.13520
>>13512
I can share what little I know, but I don't know what you want to know.
An electric field or magnetic field is just a way to describe the influence that particles have on each other. Any interaction between particles will be mediated by force carriers. For me I don't see fields as being a real thing. Its just a way to conceive the net influence of forces distributed across space.
Of course you can use whatever model works best for solving the problems.
>>13514
There is plenty of energy available everywhere. Stick an insulated pole and a wire high enough into the air and you can measure how much current will flow between the top of your pole and the ground. A solar panel, A wind turbine.
>>13516
The best ideas are the ones that work.
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No.13521
I've done some experiments with one wire transmission without return. In my case I took Tesla's transmitter receiver pair and I simplified it down. I replaced his receiver with a Avramenko plug and his primary with a mosfet gate driver and inductor. I fed the signal from the mosfet gate driver into the inductor at its resonant frequency which results in a fairly respectable gain.
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No.13522
>>13521
Very cool. I'm going to google some of the things that you noted here and get back with you.
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No.13530
Good video on resonance - something else Tesla worked on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBL9pS6GMdA
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No.13531
>>13486
hey op are you the guy who posted this thread on the 4chon board before 8chan shut down? do you know did the board regroup anywhere? i want to get smiley in touch with the 4chon canadian farm commune since he's homeless.
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No.13535
>>13531
I am the OP of this thread. No unfortunately I'm not sure what you're referring to. I've never been to 4chon. Do you mean 4chan? I'm not on their too much either.
Anyway, I know that this isn't the first thread dedicated to the idea of single wire/wireless transmission of power.
I'm trying to upload some cool files that are pertinent to the discussion. Let's see if it works!
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No.13536
Here is Tesla's patent for the image used on the OP.
>>13535
You guys might find some crossover between it and the document on this post titled "pulsedPower.pdf"
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No.13537
>>13535
Here is another post of Charles Proteus Steinmetz's book: Electrical discharges, waves, and impulses.
His foundational theories of electricity within this book do not include the concept of the electron. And it was his work that made AC power distribution systems infinitely more safe for usage. Before his work, electrical discharges where popping out of what appeared to be no where when power to certain circuits of the grid where shut off. These discharges would often kill people who got tangled up in them. I believe this was before the time when electrical grounding was common practice. (Regardless, these random discharges would occur when the circuit was open).
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No.13539
This is cool, and it seems like it fits the conversation.
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No.13545 
>>13539
Great work anon! These are some fascinating reads. I do electrical engineering myself, and Im gonna see if I can convert this shit into DC and charge my phone with it. I also want to buy a very big LiPo battery, and experiment with other forms of electricity generation and transmission
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No.13546
This summer, I want to build a MHD generator that burns off of clean burning fuel, and use a peltier element to capture waste heat and convert it into additional electricity. Im just making to cash right now to buy the stuff I need.
but the goal is to make the most efficient and clean burning electrical generator designed with camping in mind
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No.13548
>>13545
Cool stuff, yes I've heard about these. Like a more direct energy conversion system than just boiling water. Are you truly an Electrical Engineer? You might be interested in this patent.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US3196296A/en?inventor=Brown+Thomas+Townsend&page=1
This devise uses a fluid armature. An alternating electric current (spark gap in this case) is used to ionize the water (or whatever fluid) substance you choose. This induces an alternating magnetic field which acts upon the coils adjacent to the steam chamber. It's not really a MHD, but might be more feasible to build.
Since you're an electrical engineer, do you think a device like this would be able to produce worth while electric current? The idea is that with a small seed charge (in this case the AC current provided to the steam chamber) you can ionize a moving fluid and turn it into an armature.
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No.13549
>>13486
>>If you were to measure currents like this on an Oscilloscope (assuming this is over a conventional electric circuit) it would take the form of what is called a damped wave.
I need to correct myself here, it would not take the shape of a damped wave. A damped wave assumes oscillation of the direction of the current. Unidirectional pulsed current would not take that form on an oscilloscope. I'm not sure of the name of the shape of a pulsed wave at the moment, but it wouldn't change direction (if it's truly unidirectional).
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No.13590
After further study, it seems like what Eric Dollard (and others) have termed as "Magnetodielectricity" Could alternatively be what James Maxwell initially described as "Dielectric Displacement Current".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Displacement_current
This dielectric displacement current is what makes up Zenneck surface waves and Telluric currents:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenneck_wave
Another term people have dubbed this type of current is "Cold Electricity" as it does not manifest as "current" in the conventional sense of the word. And therefor can't be picked up by most conventional electronic equipment. Remember, this particular "current" is not a stream of electrons, it's a rapidly shifting electric displacement field. So truly more like perturbations on the surface of a lake.
Telluric currents are another manifestation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telluric_current
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No.13647
Trump's uncle John understood the importance of Maxwell dielectric displacement current when he thought of this:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US2194839A/en?inventor=John+G+Trump
Dielectric induction instead of magnetic induction.
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No.13649
>>13546
anon are you still out their if so what amount of cash are you looking for?
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No.13658
>>13486
Do you have any information on robert alexander dynamotor? I felt that the patent is fake and the real one is hidden somewhere on the internet.
This is what I thought of.
Motor : DC motor, synchronous motor.
Generators(commonly used) : DC generator, synchronous generator, alternator.
Transformers : Basic transformer, rotary transformer.
Motor ∩ Transformer = Asynchronous(Induction) Motor.
Generator ∩ Transformer = Asynchronous(Induction) Generator.
Motor ∩ Generator = DC-DC, DC-AC, AC-AC, AC-DC rotary converter, Frequency converter, Phase-Phase converter.
Motor ∩ {Transformer ∩ Generator} = ?
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No.13659
>>13486 (OP)
Do you have any information on robert alexander dynamotor? I felt that the patent is fake and the real one is hidden somewhere on the internet.
This is what I thought of.
Motor : DC motor, synchronous motor.
Generators(commonly used) : DC generator, synchronous generator, alternator.
Transformers : Basic transformer, rotary transformer.
Motor ∩ Transformer = Asynchronous(Induction) Motor.
Generator ∩ Transformer = Asynchronous(Induction) Generator.
Motor ∩ Generator = DC-DC, DC-AC, AC-AC, AC-DC rotary converter, Frequency converter, Phase-Phase converter.
Motor ∩ Transformer ∩ Generator = ?
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No.13667
>>13486
I'm so tired of hearing these conspiracy theories.
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No.13677
>>13667
Conspiracy theories are also known as dare-to-question-what-you-learnt.
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