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It depends on what you think of Satan. I mean what kind of question is this? What do you fucking expect with a name like that

I have some questions about their techniques if you can answer them

We've had this kind of thread several times over the years. All I can say is that you should stay the fuck away from them. If I could find an archive of one of the old threads that would be useful. The short version is, you'll get all the same information from different sources, but if you follow this group's initiation rituals and techniques, you're going to attach yourself to an egregore and fuck your life up as a result. I'll try to find an archive of one of the old threads if one exists because someone who had gone through everything went into detail and there was some arguing from JoS people who were being assholes to everybody for daring to say bad things about their school of thought, from what I remember.

>>127884

All of that is so obvious. In fact anyone on that site would already be open to being friendly with Satan.

This is all so redundant.

>>127888

Whether it's obvious to you or not, there are people here who are going to think it's a cool thing to try because they don't know what they're doing, so it needs to be pointed out. Nice trips though.

I read their entire book before and studied all the other forms of Satanism out there too.

My conclusion is that ONA and JOS are the best but they both steal all their actually useful knowledge entirely from Hermetics, especially from Franz Bardon, and that when you drop the pointless and edgy bullshit, all you have left over is Hermetics, so it's best to just stick with Hermetics.

>>127890

So a bunch of satanists kikes used the actual truth and dressed it up in Satanism.

Llike how obtuse does one have to be to not see through this shit

>>127891

Yes exactly.

There's several other branches of Satanism also and each one is just a different previously existing philosophy in a Satanic dress.

The whole Satan thing is one part style and one part political agenda.

Also in my view there are a rare group of Satanists who will never call themselves such, who actually call themselves Christians or don't give themselves a label at all but do read the Bible and are embedded in some way in Christianity, who for whatever fucked up reason decide to literally worship the principle of evil and to go against all things good as much as they possibly can without actually dying (though eventually they do die a horrible death). Basically true black magicians kind of like the ones in Frabato who were part of the 99 Lodge. They are in my view the "most hardcore" or "real" group of Satanists; being adversaries/opponents of God. Actually evil Satanists.

Then there's groups like JoS and ONA and pretty much any self-identified Satanic group there that come in the following varieties:

1. That which is reacting to a Christian upbringing or Christian community they lived in that rejected them so they're being edgy and atheistic. (LaVey, etc.)

2. That which are pagans pissed off about the systematic destruction of pagan cultures by Abrahamics (JOS is pretty heavy on this). For some reason they take on the label of Satanist until they get to the stage of rejecting Satanism on the grounds of it being itself a part of the "Abrahamic Canon" so decide to rebrand. Most of these just switch back and fourth actually as convenient. I would reckon StyxenHammer666 to be an example of this (he's a pagan satanist).

Note also that in Hermetics there are many who are aware of the whole phenomena of egregores. In John Baines The Stellar Man, a Hermetic Text, we are told about how the Israelites were basically under the control of a malevolent Yahweh, and how Jesus (considered a great Hermetic initiate) had to come along to fix things by getting them out from underneath the law / wrath of this "yahweh" which had got out of control.

So it's not entirely surprised to see groups like ONA arise that are so intertwined into Hermetics.

Anyways I don't like to be under the domain of Yahweh or Satan. I am not really sure what to ally myself with out there. One thing that's great about Franz Bardon and his PME book is he always talks about not falling under the complete control of the elementals and other intelligences out there so you can learn from them and grow but keep moving on to higher spheres of power.

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

https://www.biblehub.com/matthew/7-16.htm

Something to live by when examining people and religions and communities. I always have myself turned towards the highest conception of God I can possibly think of and looking always to expand and deepen my understanding of the Most High.

>>127890

>Also in my view there are a rare group of Satanists who will never call themselves such, who actually call themselves Christians or don't give themselves a label at all but do read the Bible and are embedded in some way in Christianity, who for whatever fucked up reason decide to literally worship the principle of evil and to go against all things good as much as they possibly can without actually dying (though eventually they do die a horrible death).

>They are in my view the "most hardcore" or "real" group of Satanists; being adversaries/opponents of God. Actually evil Satanists.

This seems to be really pertinent. Any tricks one can use to easily detect such people? I suppose it doesn't really matter. Friends get filtered by themselves, and acquaintances are a necessary evil.

The evil filters itself out in any environment of free speech and debate, an opportunity for logic.

All of this is oh so redundant.

>>128696

By the dogmatic line of thought (found in the Book of Revelation) Satan's place is reserved for authority and worship. Authority over those who are his and worship from those who are his. Therefore you might deduce that eventually Satan's kingdom is going to be overt and not covert…hell it is even overt today in certain ways.

>>128699

>"in truth, the highest demons spend their time whispering to wealthy and influential people, or putting a single thought into someones head or out of their mouth which sparks a whole chain of evil events."

sorry to trouble you, do you have any evidence?

>>128702

evidence abounds

>>127893

I highly doubt that rare group you mentioned that gets satanic ideas from the bible is "pure evil" as you say. More likely they are gnostics, who believe that the biblical god is evil, and the serpent is a bringer of enlightenment. Gnostics would never refer to themselves as satanists, of course. Anyone who claims to be a biblical satanist is just a stupid edgelord.

>>127865

if it’s not theistic it’s not satanism. Edgelord athiests like to pretend they’re satanists, but useless eaters are useless eaters no matter what they call themselves. These mentally subnormal “satanists” come through our town from time to time, sometimes wearing that faggot LaVey’s bastardized pentagram. It’s disgusting.

>>138009

I actually have to wonder about this, anon. Most things that are sins are all about self-indulgence. Murder, theft, abortion, fucking randos, jerking off, etc. Most of the people who commit these acts aren't doing them for some divine force, they're doing those things for themselves. They're elevating themselves above the desires of god, and becoming their own god which is a fundamental principle of LaVeyan Satanism.

I have to wonder if spiritual Satanism even makes sense. In spiritual Satanism, a person is performing an act for Satan, but in doing so they're being selfless. It seems like it would be worse if they're performing these acts and harming others just for the sake of feeling good.

>>127884

I'd like to see one of these archives. I practiced JOS stuff when I was around fourteen, and my life was pretty fucked up for the next 4 or 5 years.