/fringe/ - Fringe

>>127330

Yes, and kill everything in one punch, right?

The reason I'm so obsessed is because I just managed to beat alcoholism and moved to a new place. So while I'm learning a new language and meeting people, I've got loads of free time. It's also the first time in my life I live on my own (I'm quite young).

>>127331

Well then you could add Initiation into Hermetics to your book list. Work out 4 times a week in the gym, completely leave out alcohol and porn/masturbation. Try to open your third eye and master astral traveling. Don't overdo it, keep it chill. A candle that burns too bright burns down too quickly…or sth like that. You don't need to sleep on floors and cut out videogames completely. The most important thing is to start thinking and feeling and realizing what really matters. Don't fall for everything and anything and there are a lot of traps. Teachers, gurus and people on the internet will make you believe some things are very important, good or worthwile while in reality those things suck and will drag you down to hell faster than you can say "ONE PUNCH!"

>Prometheus Rising

1%good, 99%cucked and bluepilled

>The Secret Teachings of All Ages

50%good info, 50%disinfo

>The Gnostic Bible

Watch out with gnosticism. A lot of degeneration there

>Futhark, A Handbook of Rune Magic

based, just like IIH and Evolas books probably one of the most practical and useful books you can work with.

Also fringe is a very bad place to be in.

>>127332

Thanks anon. The sleeping on the floor thing I got from a good friend of mine who is very well read and physically fit. He told me it's better for the lower back, and another alternative is balancing your body with a pillow put under some part (don't remember which one) of the body.

>fringe is a very bad place to be in.

I don't browse imageboards anymore, but I'm curious. Why? It seems much better than 90% of halfchan.

>>127333

I will try sleeping on the floor too. Do you have any tips? I have never pulled it off before because I work out at the gym a lot and therefore I need high quality sleep. Tried it out for a few weeks but it was very uncomfortable, could not get good rest at all and everything hurt after a sleepless night.

>It seems much better than 90% of halfchan.

It's shit on a complete other level. Halfchan is obvious degenerate crap but here it is much more dangerous. Grab the books from the libraries and run like hell, this place kills your very soul and will lead you astray forever.

>>127339

In my experience, it gets much more comfortable after a week or two. I recommend beginning with a mat/carpet to make the floor less hard.

>>127333

You should read The Master Key by Robert Peng. I think that's the author at least. His SIFU made him do grueling horse stance until he entered a meditative state spontaneously and remained there for 4 hours – then his SIFUUUU slammed a sledgehammer into his low navel and it bounced off ("SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER!"). There's more to the story, like sleeping on a rope, but it's more about the qi gong exercises since he became a healer after all that.

I sleep on a mat on the ground that I roll up and out every morning and night – it's not super thin but it's nothing like a mattress either. It's good. Your body will become stronger. Stiff tendons and fascia tend to be strong, and stretching them gives an opportunity to stiffen again and become even stronger (cycles).

>>127333

/fringe/ seems to be a lot of misdirection and shitposting rather than genuine fringe discussion nowadays. In my meditations and studying of the library I've come to find that the board holds very little actual useful information. I feel as though once a particular level of practice is obtained then a typical initiate will ditch this place. A shift in values from obtained wisdom means that they see no point in spreading their discoveries, or perhaps it becomes ill advised to do so. But that is all conjecture.

>>127326

I'd recommend 'Magic Simplified' by Draja Mickaharic. Teaches some fundamental skills. Very straight forward and practical. I'd attach the PDF but it won't let me for whatever reason, but I'm sure you can find it.

Your book list contains an overkill amount of knowledge, but read it all, no problem. As long as you PRACTICE. Most of those books contain practical exercises. Do them.

Also check out fringebay.com (check out the archive and the link to the freedomboard archives hidden in the bug list) and meguca.org/fringe for the hardcore stuff.

Welcome, brother. And good luck.

>>127349

/fringe/ is a nexus. Its contents as an imageboard are mostly irrelevant. The real meat is within each one of us. Only those who do the work get to see it.

>>127339

The idea is to sleep on a solid flat surface, not necessarily a hard one. The problem with soft mattresses is they hold you like a sack of potatoes, and your spine gets maligned by its own weight. Kind of like how astronauts get back problems.

You can just use a mattress topper and you'll be cushioned but still firmly supported horizontally. Or a rug and a sleeping mat, etc.

>>127326

Learn the GOODS LBRP, do that every day. Start doing ritual at least a few times a week, evocation, sigils or something like Inner Guide Meditation (strongly recommend that book/method). Even New Avatar Power would be a good place to start learning basic evocation structure. Learn Tarot. Reading without practice is pointless.

>>127357

Thank you anon. I'm not the kind of person who speedreads through books thinking that the earliest I finish them the better, I also often stop reading through a book knowing that's not what I'm looking for or seeing that I'm reading something that I've read before.

I am not planning to stay around here long, currently I visit only this thread. I too like James Joyce, although haven't read the other authors you mentioned.

I've already tried psychedelics a couple of times, and I can say they were an interesting experience and widened my outlook on things. I'll definitely try them again after attaining more knowledge, fortunately I have friends interested in similar topics.

I'll try the silent retreat when I have an occasion to, currently being silent for 10 days straight is impossible for me.

Thanks for your post anon, very informative.

>>127358

Thanks anon, I'm screenshotting everything in the thread to look into it later.

>>127330

People who watch one paunch man and enjoy it are very first density.

>>127332

/This

Especially wrt Prometheus Rising (in general anything by that simpering moron RAW), gnosticism, and fringe being terrible.

Everyone should look into Bruce Frantzis and his stuff on breathing techniques and meditation/dissolving. Tldr the Water tradition of Daoism is most of what's good about traditional eastern thought with the horseshit removed. also stay away from any "Buddhist" westerners like Jack Kornfield and Pema Chodron.

OP read Light on the Path and then find all the audiobook versions of it and play it to yourself listening to various narrators, once every day, for about 2 weeks.

The whole thing takes about a half hour to read btw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsyH2BX8M_I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eQJ4TIaaco

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7PTuNVs68E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYnnqEY4k-w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKi7ECWa4Wg

If you want, go ahead and create your own audio recording version of it too.

With this ingrained in your mind, you will know the path to mastery.

Yeah, no. I've read these books and a whole lot more.

You'll get spiritually lost and become a bullshit occultist with all that garbage. The 'Occult Mafia' installs blockages and parasites within you that hinder genuine progress. Just give you pointers, W. W. Atkinson was a conman and his "Science of Breath" gives false techniques. "Rune Magic", like all "magic" systems, is completely arbitrary/artificial and any "results" from it can be replicated without baggage. Did you even look into Miguel Serrano, for example, before you put him into you reading list? You won't even understand him because his works rely on other works (Jung, Pound, Evola, etc) and that's just one example.

You read books and then you read more books, then years pass and all you have is junk that you've mistaken for knowledge and wisdom. It's a trap and /fringe/ is part of the conspiracy with its hardcore shilling for works with mere grains of truth.

>>127332

>Also fringe is a very bad place to be in.

How so?

>>127444

Wasn't there some anon who went over most if not all of the books in the library and posted the ones that were actually useful.

I'm surprised I can't find the cap.

>>127326

No JavaScript, no cellphones, no banks. Proprietary software is for niggers. Watch RMS. Freedom is worth the inconvenience.

Do not kill the banker–kill the retard who gives his powers to the "banksters", then elects Literal Hitlers.

Germany has one of the best banking systems in the world by the way, 1500 local not-for-profit community-banks (Richard Werner).

In the future there is no room for "normies"–we must all be Autists. Hunt down & execute violent tradcucks, send peaceful ones 2 jungle.

https://invidio.us/search?q=stallman

https://invidio.us/watch?v=uubEVpOWALA RAW & ORGANIC, Food Grade Cosmetics! RMS Full Face Demo/Review \\ Chloe Morello

Boys can be pretty too. As long as it's safe and not made from fucking foreskins. "Women" who wear foreskin-makeup are total retards.

Diana Davison, Karen Straughan, KellyJones00–nice autistic females. Fluffies are obsolete wombtech, not worth the fuss. Spergs are relatively speaking gender-neutral, thus radfem+MGTOW, National Globalists.

https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Woman

>the annoying, dumb, inferior, shitty gender pieces of flesh around the vagina that don't invent or discover things

https://medium.com/@cassiebrighter/what-do-we-do-about-women-with-a-penis-70e783fb952e

Manipulative-female anger is the weathervane of truth. If they offer wi-fi, ask where the ethernet jack is.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RileyJayDennis/status/884991412202229760

>my argument: maybe your preference for women with vaginas over women with penises is, to some degree, influenced by our cissexist society.

Some girls have penises, get over it bigots. Tomboys and tradtraps make the best life-partners. Autistic-females freely cooperate with autistic-males. Shulamith Firestone said, why the hell should a self-respecting female have to risk her life to create new life? Why not invent the Artwomb? Because fluffies weaponize the wombpower to keep their cuckbands under control that's why. Always support deviants.

Self-improvement is a meme that leads nowhere but misery, because it is an artificial goal. Inner peace comes from understanding Aeonics.

The humanimal has very few necessities in re biosurvival assurance. Too buff or too thin reveals a stupid brain.

If you are young do not focus on change, your brain will take care of this on your own. Neuromaturation works irrespectively of "desires".

By ~30 your Inner Neurogenetic Core will have actualized in ways that will make most of what you think now comprises "you" seem 100% inane.

Why did G-d create gentiles? Someone has to buy retail!

It is possible to live on <50$/MONTH.

The meatsuit must be handled with care but neutrality is the target, not some arbitrary "self-improvement". Play with meatsuits, do not glorify them.

Drugs are not really needed, especially as the human brain shifts into Isolated-Brain-in-vat mode and gets direct nutrient infusions of pulverized goyim–Goylent.

>So while I'm learning a new language

Neat but probably unnecessary. Bilingualism is important but progressively-advancing knowledge of English is all that is truly critical.

WH40K: High Gothic, Lingua-technis, Noosphere

Human language is for nigger monkeys–very very inefficient. Soon Techpriest will be freed from this bullcrap and exchange raw frames with each other through the Noosphere, directly, which is extreme Warptech. Opensource openhardware 3dprinted big black dildos with diy motors to help the body literally vibrate at a higher frequency ;), meanwhile the Psyker learns programming and electronics, then quantum brainchips to summon Daemons directly (controllable righthemispheric activation). Phonecucks are the worst lifeform and will devolve into Tyranids.

http://gen.lib.rus.ec/search.php?req=christopher+hyatt+psychopath+bible http://gen.lib.rus.ec/search.php?req=hyatt+black+book

https://invidio.us/watch?v=o3ngpiovR-8 Meghan Rouillard on Vernadsky and the Noosphere

Listen to everything Michael Aquino. https://invidio.us/search?q=michael+aquino

https://www.xeper.org/pub/pub_gil.html https://darkbooks.org/pp.php?v=210056184 Diabolicon

https://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/religion.occult.new_age/occult_library/Aquino_M_A-Temple_of_Set.pdf

https://invidio.us/channel/UC4avQL0dz2oTQtJqXyVfe8g Kabbalahinfo

>I've got loads of free time.

Just DDOS your brain with everything, play Devil's Advocate for all sides, then see what you REALLY resonate to, what truly sticks around. Externalization of the Hierarchy is a good introduction to how the humanimal works on the bioelectroalchemical level. Civilization is mass-scale trauma-based mind-control, but when we Satanists say, hey let's make what "Svali" said actually real, oh no nono!! We're evil!!! #comehomewhiteman #getbackintothevagina #youknowyouwantto

Check out Shulamith Firestone. They think we're out there to eat their kids and rape their skulls. What they're ackshully doing to themselves is millions of times worse.

>>127326

https://invidio.us/watch?v=LQucESRF3Sg Minds of Men by Truthstream, excellent documentary. At all levels of intelligence, human beings realize that all life on the planet must be erased for the next lifeform, just like how proteins -> RNA -> DNA. Imagine RNA going "trad" and saying #muhherratige. Jean-Francois Gariepy is the #1 champion for human eradication.

<and meeting people

There is nothing to be gained from socialization that can not be gained from simply immersing yourself in the Acausal. Read O9A to understand Acausal Theory and Timeline Creation. Only at very high levels is direct physical interaction really meaningful, and often at this stage one would feel so close to the person they'd want to suck eachothers, which would usually be counterproductive. Those who drop state to interface with the Materium in order to exchange "information" with screeches and moving their monkey bodies around glorify being neocortically-advanced monkeighs. Preferentially, all of them are to be treated as animals.

Also watch Spider's Web, HyperNormalisation, Brendon O'Connell, Richard Werner, Stephanie Kelton. Sumerian Swindle.

Animatrix Second Renaissance, Psycho-Pass Sibyl System, Akumetsu. Mass-Scale Human Extermination, Industrial-Scale Life-Creation, Repopulation of Terra with Autism.

James Randi, George Carlin, mysticism is good to the extent that a little magical thinking is beneficial because it promotes transient right-hemispheric hyper-activation, as described by Julian Jaynes in Origin of Consciousness. Outside of this it is all fake and gay so this is why human-machine interfacing will rape everybody, because it must. "Black Magic" is weird natural crap like humidity, temperature, EM, ionization. Many glorify "the unknown" senselessly when it is just mathematics–STEMagic. Watch Kai-Fu Lee's videos and read AI Superpowers. Skitarii soon. But pray to Jewsus goy! While the Made in China Space Marines annihilate. Every human being will be microchipped: the question is whether by conquest or consent. Nobody will trust anybody who does not freely share their whole lives, and those that do will preemptively exterminate all lifeforms on earth. Goa'uld vs Tok'ra. Moral people choose voluntary datasharing (omniveillance); retards will let Judaya+CIAniggers spy on their asses and blackmail them (uberveillance).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_de_Garis#The_Artilect_War

https://profhugodegaris.wordpress.com/gender-roles-2050/

What "women" do to themselves is worse than Daemonculabae.

Human monkey sexuality is mostly silliness. The brain is so plastic one can pretty much do anything with it and wire then rewire it in so many ways it is just ridiculous. This is how the Cybrans will be created. Transhumanism is gay; Posthumanism is serious. Circumcision is brain-change technology. Taste, flavor, smell, pain, will be disabled at birth not unlike how the NSA disables the Management Engine.

Do not be a nigger monkey.

https://invidio.us/channel/sexcounselor

>Why A Cuckold Relationship May Not Work With Your Wife

>MINDGASM Is It Real Or Not?

Welp, whoregasms are real alright.

>Male Chastity Answering Your Questions

>Straight Man Aroused By A Penis

https://invidio.us/watch?v=tBlXvNQVD4s BBC Horizon 2006 Human v2.0

https://invidio.us/watch?v=Kq5KWLqUewc Deus Ex: Human Revolution - Cinematic Trailer

We the gaynigger transniggers have already built the GQAI–Gaynigger Quantum Artilect. For tailored recommendations, feel free to send your browsing history to negroes@cumallover.me

http://aspergia.wikia.com/wiki/Aspergia_Wiki

http://riddick.wikia.com/wiki/Ascension_Protocol

>It's also the first time in my life I live on my own (I'm quite young).

Learn how to use Qubes. You know we the elder gayniggers have our eyes on your asses.

I like you already, very few people can sleep on the floor and be happy. Ahmadinejad did that. Now the next step is to embrace your inner homosexuality, and a whole new world awaits you. The Technoccult Homosexual Theocracy welcomes you.

tl;dr just listen to everything Michael Aquino.

https://www.wanttoknow.info/war/nazi_technology_war_secrets_2p ctrl+f positively ionized air THIS SHIT IS WHAT BLACK MAGIC REALLY IS ALL ABOUT

https://invidio.us/search?q=kai+fu+lee u mad gwai lo? we chinee astarte now, u be good little magickian, eeehehehehe

Most "people" want to maintain a captive audience through brain-dirtying. Brainwash yourself regularly lest you fall into dogmatism.

https://invidio.us/channel/UCVlEfVl5xtp2nli4_2CXQKA Monetary Institute

https://invidio.us/channel/INETeconomics

https://invidio.us/watch?v=rFgTvfDTdfw George Soros: 10 Years After the Crash

40k: Heretek, Hell-Forge, Imperial Bionics

It is better to Die for the Emperor than live for yourself and be a phonecuck.

Our Strength of Conviction reflects His Purpose of Will.

By the Emperor's Name, let no phonecuck survive.

>>127453

By "dry" and "wet" paths I imagine you're referring to right and left hand. I'm more interested in the former. Can you recommend more books?

>>127444

I've read Jung and Evola is on the list for a reason, I'd touch Serrano only after going through Evola, Guenon and Devi.

>>127457

>Yoga Sutras with the commentary of Swami Satchitananda

>Working Toward Enlightenment, To Realize Enlightenment, Tao and Longevity- all by Nan Huai-Chin

>The Sixth Patriarch's Platform Sutra

Master Nan also taught a westerner by the name of Bill Bodri who runs the website meditationexpert.com and there's a lot of good resources there as well. All of these should easily give you a good idea of where to continue with your studies and practice once you encounter something you like and that works.

You might be attracted to the ideas of Advaita Vedanta as well, as that's another right hand and very very dry school. Presently I'm reading my third translation of the Ashtavakra Gita, though honestly the more I learn of it, the less it seems to appeal to me.

>>127455

Fair enough. I haven't read his material on Hermeticism at all, nor his autobiography, so it's unfair of me to be calling him a non-practitioner. With Shakta at least though it would have been damn near impossible for him to have access to much useful information, given the era he lived in, even with his correspondence with Sir John Woodroffe.

Sometimes I ponder if the best form of self-improvement is to keep an active journal or log on one's life, of one's ambitions, and most importantly, of one's spiritual process. Everyone wants to boast about what esoteric readings they have done, no one wants to boast of what they have made.

I'm sure you got some good books lined up but in my opinion the first two books you should read are Liber Null and Psychonaut (just get the copy with both in one book) and then Liber Kaos. A complete slap in the face to all dogmatism, those two books acted essentially as my bible for quite some time. I probably flick through them at least once a month still.

>>127467

The demographics of 8chan are primarily young men in their 20s. Not many of us have accomplishments of note that are worth writing a book about yet.

>>127479

>calls everything trash

>immediately proceeds to recommend Atkinson

Yikes, my dude.

>>127479

That's the one, thanks.

>>127485

Is he that terrible?

Mind you, I'm mostly looking for whatever overlap there is between things posted here or in other books in order to piece together some kind of a foolproof method that works for myself.

I've had some success, but it either didn't go far enough or I dropped it because I felt the method simply didn't suit me.

>>127486

>Is he that terrible?

Bardon is worse. Big words and fake intellectualism to overcomplexify simple practices. Both were egocentric, pretentious, fat mundanes who made cash selling shitty books, like every other "occultist"=snake oil salesman.

>>127485

>>127493

At least name someone better.

>>127486

>Is he that terrible?

He's the equivalent of those people on Amazon who sell dozens of shitty books for your Kindle at $2 a pop.

Pumping out these books was an easy paycheck; he literally wrote a hundred of them, under several pseudonyms. That's why they're all overly verbose and padded out, people got payed per word back in those days. Sometimes he gets some things right by virtue of borrowing from more sophisticated traditions, but that's about it.

He was cashing in on New Age thought which was really popular around that time, nothing more nothing less.

He himself was also incredibly mundane and had no attainments to speak of.

Bardon is also trash for that matter, like that other fellow mentioned. Overweight and couldn't kick his smoking addiction but pretended to have Jesus-tier powers, that's all you need to know about that LARPer.

>>127494

All 'occult workbooks' are relatively poor and I'd recommend everyone stay away from them. The ones that approach being half decent are basically meditation manuals with astral projection instructions but with a bunch of nonsense added to them. At that point you're just better of reading a book specifically dedicated to meditation and a book specifically dedicated to astral projection.

The thing with magic is that any successful practice is contingent on your mental faculties being developed (primarily the faculties of concentration and willpower).

If you can't concentrate for a prolonged period of time -and I mean genuine concentration- or get into trance (i.e. a meditative state) then you're precluded from pretty much doing anything that's worthwhile (doing it consistently and at will, at least).

And if you are at that intermediate state where you DO posses these qualities, then there's little value a book can provide you with.

Because of this fact, occult books are almost entirely written by LARPers because real magicians know there's nothing to write about. If there's on thing that poster from the image got right it's that '95% of the journey is practice'.

Also, let us remind ourselves of the meaning of the word 'occult'; it's 'hidden'. It's foolish to think you can find the juicy things in some flimsy book somewhere, or on some stupid internet forum.

>>127473

I don't see how that interferes. Sometimes the most straight forward answers come from young mouths. Isn't it nice to reflect upon youthful thoughts and see how they've changed over time? How do you think books like the Kybalion are actually written? Once over the course of a person's life or rewritten hundreds of times and refined each go.

>>127500

what about Robert Bruce? His book "astral dynamics" and his obe course are pretty legit right? he also has some seemingly advanced insights on kundalini. In fact what he has written about negative spirits, obe and kundalini and all that stuff is the least larpy and has the most concrete information I have ever encountered in a book. It appears to me that his book is basically all you need because with his techniques you can attain all psychic powers and self control you ever need, and of course the most important is astral projection. There are basically only 2 things you must do: 1.quiet the mind and 2. get your energy going. That's basically the recepy for everything worthwile in the occult and he does a good job explaining this and giving techniques.

Or what, will you redpill me on how he is shit too?

Atkinson isn't bad. Neither is Bardon.

Atkinson books contain hermetic knowledge concerning the power of consciousness, subtle energies, self-improvement, and self-mastery. Classic and foundational texts on this subject, back when formerly secret society knowledge was given the green light to be presented to the public.

Bardon was experienced in occult pathologies and useful advice for treating them can be gleaned from his book.

>>127505

The things contained in his material are legit insofar they teach the fundamental skills (relaxation, concentration, good framework for astral projection, etc.) but I don't know about the man himself.

First of, he charges exorbitant prices for his courses, and he has several of them. This indicates that he hasn't managed to leverage any of his powers into financial gain. You'd think an accomplished occult practitioner would be able to solve the financial issue through other means, and then disseminate his knowledge rather cheaply, because he wants to help as many people as possible (and if not, why are you writing all these books and creating all these courses in the first place?).

Secondly, he has a large focus on the aspects of the occult that are ripe for self delusion. Astral projection is a very important tool, but it can also be a way for you to go off into fantasy land every night. Energy work can be useful, but it can also be a way for you to delude yourself into thinking that you're a master wizard just because you can feel some funny stuff inside your body. Not to speak of the other stuff Robert Bruce dabbles in like 'psychic defense' and 'higher self' shenanigans. Does Robert Bruce live in fantasy land where he pretends to be a wizard, or is he the real deal? I don't know.

And the last thing: he's bald and he looks his age. That means he's not leveraging his abilities into longevity/immortality. I won't hold that against him, because that's some next level shit and you can still be an accomplished magician without being immortal of course, but it nevertheless goes to show that his system doesn't take you to that level (but I'm almost certain not a single system accessible to the public takes you that far, so again, I won't hold it against him).

AP'ing every night and feeling funky energy sensations is nice and all, but at the end of the day magic is about effecting tangible change in the physical world; can Robert Bruce do that to an appreciable level? I don't know.

>>127534

In regards to the physical form I'm going to quote Evola-

<At the level of pure yoga, the acquisition of powers is concomitant with the natural loss of all the instincts and passions that would induce a pashu (animal) to employ them. The yogin has no interest in such activities, apart from specific circumstances

An enlightened being wouldn't care about rejuvenating the flesh because he is not the flesh. A master would not display power carelessly because he's no longer an ensnared animal bound by the opinions and recognition of others.

>>127546

Ah yes, the battle cry of every bullshit occultist since the dawn of man 'I'm powerless because I'm a level 7 ascended master so I'm beyond using my powers, trust me bro!!!'.

I don't care about religious superstitions, I care about magic, and magic is causing tangible, effective change according to your will in the physical world. If you can't do that, I don't care; you can go be an enlightened being somewhere else.

>>127547

Robert Bruce didn't care about semen retention so it's no surprise he went bald. He claimed masturbation can be benefitial and also he has a wife and kids.

However I cannot blame him if he doesn't care for immortality. Where did this stupid ass crap came from on fringe lately? Do you think being immortal is so awesome? have fun stuck in this shithole longer than necessary. This is real stockholm syndrome when people try to achieve immortality or at least superior health to be imprisoned in the flesh even longer and to dwell amongs filthy braindead retards even longer. I don't blame Bardon and Bruce for not being "lvl 9999 immortal godmasters" because tbh I'd rather fuck off into the astral myself asap. Immortality of the flesh is bullshit

>>127549

Being imprisoned by flesh implies you're powerless or otherwise subjugated. Suppose for a moment you were immortal and could not be killed by anyone or anything, your need for sustenance ceased, and you were free from all physical ills; at what point are you imprisoned in this equation? It is the people that are subject to all these things that are the ones imprisoned. Moreover, at that level of attainment, you can decide to come and go at your leisure anyway. It is the exact opposite of being imprisoned.

You also seem to have a naive idea of life after death and the astral. You think once you're dead, that's it? It's all fun and games from then on? If you're not careful you might end up in a place even worse than this. Also, the idea that it's the flesh that's some how the problem is again misguided. There are non-physical entities (i.e. 'free from flesh') that are subject to a large amount of suffering all the same.

The whole flesh/spirit, physical/non-physical dichotomy is misguided anyway. It's all one and the same thing, we just differentiate for semantic convenience. Your 'physical' here and now body, is about as real as the body you experienced having while dreaming tonight.

And finally:

>and to dwell amongs filthy braindead retards

I wouldn't be so judgemental. You're not too dissimilar from the people you seem to decry.

>>127547

>Ah yes, the battle cry of every bullshit occultist since the dawn of man 'I'm powerless because I'm a level 7 ascended master so I'm beyond using my powers, trust me bro!!!'

I wasn't claiming Robert Bruce, Atkinson, Bardon or myself to be an ascended master at all. That quote from Evola was merely expressing the sentiment that human beings who are controlled by their desires are still operating on a low level, and that on the road to the acquisition of power these base desires tend to be lost before any true power is attained.

>I don't care about religious superstitions, I care about magic, and magic is causing tangible, effective change according to your will in the physical world

You'll probably achieve far greater results in the physical world using your right and left hands rather than jacking off onto a sigil tbqh

>>127561

>I wasn't claiming Robert Bruce, Atkinson, Bardon or myself to be an ascended master at all.

Neither was I.

>That quote from Evola was merely expressing the sentiment that [….]

Yes, and I'm precisely saying that this sentiment is bullshit occultism that has been around for thousands of years. It's a nice bit of religious superstition, but has little to do with actual magic. (Evola is also a primo bullshit occulist, for that matter -whatever he has to say is of little value).

>You'll probably achieve far greater results in the physical world using your right and left hands rather than jacking off onto a sigil tbqh

What's next? You're going to tell me that magic has to operate according to the laws of physics -or better yet that it's all psychological? You'd think we'd be beyond these mundane assertions in a place like this. Sigil magick is nonsense as well, while we're at it.

There is a difference between bullshit occultism and real, actual 'magic'.

But does /fringe/ now?

>>127549

You think you're not coming back with all your memories wiped? That's confident.

If anyone legit ever seeks immortality is because they understand it's much easier to transcend this hellhole if you're allowed to work on it for more than 50 years straight.

>>127546

It seems Evola didn't know about the Taoist masters who killed entire villages out of spite.

That's a very Platonic view, thinking that skill and virtue go hand in hand. But outside of the Greco-Roman sphere of influence, it's a fantasy.

>>127549

Another European fantasy (this time thanks to the influence of the Church) is that the flesh is something to be cast off and to liberate from. Nothing furthest from the truth: in order to get out of here, you're going to have to INTEGRATE body, mind and spirit. Until you do so, you're going to keep coming back.

>>127562

>Yes, and I'm precisely saying that this sentiment is bullshit occultism that has been around for thousands of years. It's a nice bit of religious superstition, but has little to do with actual magic

Calling common ideas shared by multiple religious traditions going back millenia "bullshit occultism" is ridiculous. You yourself said that the development of the mental faculties, in particular concentration is the primary means to using magic. Concentrative meditation is called "Shamatha" in Sanskrit and means literally "[the] cooling [or slowing] of the mind". In other words as one develops concentration they're also simultaneously ridding the mind of all irrelevant content, including desire. Even the Corpus Hermeticum says it directly and without any coyness- desire is the cause of death.

>What's next? You're going to tell me that magic has to operate according to the laws of physics -or better yet that it's all psychological? You'd think we'd be beyond these mundane assertions in a place like this. Sigil magick is nonsense as well, while we're at it.

What I'm saying is that my physical form is a direct avatar of my will in the physical realm, and for performing physical actions it's the best tool I have at my disposal. To try and use magical means for mundane pursuits is misguided, like trying to hammer a nail with a phillips screwriver. It's possible, but there are better options.

>>127569

>To try and use magical means for mundane pursuits is misguided

Why?

>>127565

>You think you're not coming back with all your memories wiped?

Nope, that's just false belief. It makes sense this religious bullshit gets spread to brainwash and scare the common people.

>transcend this hellhole

Same false belief. There is nothing here to transcend, you just walk away.

>>127567

>you're going to keep coming back.

Same crap. I see the jews have done great work on the common sheeple.

>>127569

>Calling common ideas shared by multiple religious traditions going back millenia "bullshit occultism" is ridiculous

There's nothing ridiculous about it. Stop appealing to authority, and start thinking for your self. I'm sure you've heard this from your mom before: 'if all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you jump too?'.

More than that, if it's a commonly held belief by multiple religions that's all the more reason to not believe it.

>as one develops concentration they're also simultaneously ridding the mind of all irrelevant content, including desire

Seeing as you're so religiously minded, you'd think you'd notice that religions prescribe a host of other regulations as well in their path to enlightenment, exactly because concentration alone is supposedly not enough. If concentration alone eradicated desire the Noble Eightfold path would have been 'Onefold', and there'd be only one rung of yoga, etc. If you've practiced yourself, and/or have associated with practitioners of meditation, you'd know that you can reach high levels of concentration/meditation without regard for morality or tempering desires and the likes. This is especially evident in the last couple of years when jhana practice saw a rise in popularity on internet forums and the likes. It is perfectly possible to have the mental faculties honed enough for magical practice without meeting some arbitrary moral standard -the Montalk fellow above me mentioned it as well.

>[…]and for performing physical actions it's the best tool I have at my disposal.

Hardly. Do we really need to go through all the psychic abilities that could grant you power far surpassing what you could do with the body alone, and how extremely convenient that would be? You also seem to be operating under the religiously indoctrinated idea that there's something 'bad' or 'unnatural' about these abilities. 'What's the point of deadlifting 3x times your own bodyweight? Just stay weak and atrophied, it's fine'.

There's nothing misguided about claiming your innate power. In fact, it's the only thing that's sensible.

>>127571

I went for the easy model of reincarnation because I didn’t want to have to explain to you even another concept that is involved in your mistaken view of the usefulness of immortality. However I welcome the opportunity to put my gnosis into words.

If you are lucky enough or have worked enough on it, the “energies” that conform “you” will be cohesive enough for something that can remotely be called your spirit to reincarnate with no memory, only karma, as a starting point for your next attempt at growth. If not, as is the case with the majority of souls, you will essentially cease to exist in any meaningful way because “you” (your mind) will dissolve into its component energies (emotions, traits, customs, traumas, habits, impulses), which will reassemble again according to karmic law to form one or more newly reincarnated souls, or attach to already incarnate ones.

I’m well aware that if you had troble accepting reincarnation before, I’ve amped the cognitive dissonance to eleven with what I’ve tried to explain. In any event, I’m sorry (really am), but you don’t simply “walk away”. The universe is wuite the brutal evolution machine, not some kind of game.

>>127574

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

>>127574

Source?

>>127577

It’s a working theory built up over years of reading and practice. It fits all available evidence so far, but it’s entirely possible there are details that need revising. A good starting point would be Novak’s Lost Secret of Death I think, but you’re going to have to do your own research.

>>127581

After that you can go straight in and research ancient Egyptian knowledge about the nature of the soul and Tibetan afterlife to a lesser extent. Keep as close as possible to the primary texts to avoid modern interpretations.

>>127569

>To try and use magical means for mundane pursuits is misguided

But everything IS magick you silly mundane.

>>128969

>I would advise everyone to completely avoid… the Golden Dawn

>Thelema… [is] awesome as a whole.

Thelema is literally a Golden Dawn expansion pack

>>128974

He's a roleplayer, what do you expect?

>>127350

Can you suggest a follow-up to this? It was excellent but kind of bare-bones.

>>129194

Posted too quickly; forgot to mention that the book attached (same author), has some miscellaneous things in it. Doll magic, candle magic, bit of divination, etc. But I don't know if that's what you're looking for.

>>127534

>Secondly, he has a large focus on the aspects of the occult that are ripe for self delusion

which aspects aren't?

>>129200

I can't even find any teachings and meditations in this pdf?

>>129204

I mean I get it. There is bits and pieces of esoteric knowledge, but there are techniques?

make a separate thread. i'm reading his reddit posts and movie reviews and it's crazy.

>>127326

>Brush teeth with dr bronner or some other fluoride free toothpaste

>Don't eat or drink anything from a microwave

>Stay away from microwaves no matter what anyone says

>Don't eat from non-stick or teflon pans

>Only eat food you cooked in the oven or on the stove

>Cast Iron or Stainless Steel or Copper pots and pans only (don't make acidic foods in the copper) or use pyrex glass cookware (be careful you use correctly or explodes)

>Eat spirulina for the iodine and other good nutrients

>>129235

Hey, now I remember this website from the old /fringe/. I don't recall the discussion itself though.

Are you Satchidanand?

>>127330

Fuck off

I've slept on concrete floor for over 6 years

>>127326

>No Greeks

>No Neoplatonists

>No Egyptian Book of the Dead

>No Hindus

>No Buddhist sutras

>No Taoists

>No Sufis

>Not even HERMES MOTHERFUCKING TRISMEGISTUS

Your list contains zero primary texts. These are foundations and central texts of all esoteric work. How are you going to know if those authors aren't bullshitting you if you haven't read those. Seriously not meming here, start with the Greeks!

>>129401

>spiritual techniques that work

What have you experienced that you consider "working"? I don't care about the techniques as much as what they have done for you.

>>129209

>What exactly are you taking issue with in that screenshot?

Do you seriously find nothing wrong with the following?

GAIN INFINITE SAMADHI ENERGY FROM INFINITE CHAKRAS ABOVE THE HEAD!!

"Traditional forms of meditation are designed to fail!!"

FIND ALL THE INCREDIBLE MEDITATION TECHNIQUES AND MEDITATION PRACTISES REMOVED FROM TRADITIONAL MEDITATIONS AND TAUGHT IN THE ENERGY ENHANCEMENT STREAMING VIDEO MEDITATION COURSE AND LIVE MEDITATION RETREATS IN BRAZIL AND INDIA

ＴＨＥ ＥＮＥＲＧＹ ＥＮＨＡＮＣＥＭＥＮＴ ＶＩＤＥＯ ＴＶ ＣＨＡＮＮＥＬ

From the cheap clickbait form, to the all-caps, red text with yellow background. It's a complete assault of the senses. "Infinite samadhi energy" what teh fuck?

At least share some meditations. I'm genuinely interested.

>>129235

>Against Homo Occult Fascism - Satanic Nazi Hitler - Satchidanand

>EE Meditation L4 - Satchidanand - Yoga Chi Tantra Psychic Sex

Just…

>>129415

This is the only thing on this messy website that I found where he is actually teaching something, and the quality is atrocious. http://www.energyenhancement.org/PaypalEEVideoAllBroadbandReturn.htm

>>129416

You know what? I think I get it. I've been in retreats and ceremonies before and I understand how absolutely live-changing some of these experiences can be. And it looks like some people with very little spiritual experience take that and run with it, forming a life philosophy and more on top of that.

I think that's what's going on here.

That or they're scammers, but they look sincere enough to me.

Skimming through the schizophrenically long home page reminded me of the time I was in a ceremony with hallucinogens, and the effect the drug had was to put you in a resolution-enhanced but totally uncontrolled visionary meditation. Unlike the sort of astral or mental voyages an occultist might be accustomed to, this was completely chaotic at the mercy of the shaman and whatever beings were around.

But to the run of the mill soccer mom that attended, this was a life-changing, once in a lifetime experience, and they kept coming back to the shaman for more. Not moving an inch in their personal or spiritual growth after literally hundreds of ceremonies. Totally hooked and dependent.

It sucks, but to each their own. You can't fix everyone.

>>129417

>I've been in retreats and ceremonies before and I understand how absolutely live-changing some of these experiences can be.

I've had my fair share of experiences with psychics, healers, courses and meditation sessions. They didn't know what I was even talking about or were obviously just trying to fit it into their dogma by either praising or demonizing it. "Good feels" beginner stuff for the average fool. I am honestly digusted by the occult practitioners and teachers I've ever met.

>>129404

Anon, I've read the Greeks already. Hermes Trismegistus as well, although in the form of the Kybalion.

Can you recommend some books from the stuff you mentioned? I'm compiling a new reading list, now that I've spent some time researching the topic.

>>129418

>I am honestly digusted by the occult practitioners and teachers I've ever met

Disgusted? What is your problem?

>>129420

Read my post again. I strongly urge you to read the Hermetica by Brain Copenhaver. His is ia scholarly translation of the Corpus Hermetica and Asclepius which are considered to be the best today. Also, a kind anon has upload an ebook of the Hermetica 2 by DAvid Litwa, which is also a scholarly translation of Hermetic fragments that also contain the Oxford and Vienna fragments, which were never previously translated until now.

>Greeks

Heraclitus Fragments

Parmenides' On the Order of Nature fragment

Pythagoras - The Pythagorean Sourcebook by Guthrie and Fideller is pretty good and contains commentary from Neoplatonists

Plato

Aristotle

>Neoplatonists

Plotinus, Porphyry, Iamblichus, Proclus, Dionysius, Boethius, etc. There is a good list of recs on /phil/ here >>>/philosophy/6046 I would also add the Chaldean Oracles to that list. De Mysteriis is required reading if you are thinking about practicing magic or theurgy.

>Hindus

Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita, Ramayana, Mahabharata. Standard fair stuff. Bibek Debrory has made unabridged translations of the Ramayana and the Mahabharata (which are very long, might I add). As for schools of thought and commentary, I don't know much about them, but I find Advaita Vedanta to be intriguing. There is a great list of recs here https://warosu.org/lit/thread/11473113#p11473119 and here https://warosu.org/lit/thread/11473113#p11473127

>Buddhism

Bhikku Bodhi has translated a lot of Theravada sutras in English. I hear Lotus, Heart, and the Diamond Sutras get shilled a lot, but I don't know much about them for translations. I also know nothing about Vajrayana.

Continued

>>129445

>Taoists

There are three main texts in Taoism roughly, Tao Te Ching, Zhuangzhi, and Lieh-Tzu.

Tao Te Ching - Here, you have to do some research to find a translation you like. Hall & Ames is good, but can come off as Whiteheadian at times. I also enjoy Ellen Chen's commentary.

Zhuangzhi - Burton Watson's is considered to be the best

Lieh-Tzu - Not as important as the other two, and not discussed as much either. I don't know which translation is good, but I went with Graham.

There are many more Taoist texts besides these three. Fabrizio Pregadio's translations and scholarship are very good. His main focus was on Taoist alchemy (Neidan), but he also wrote an encyclopedia on Taoism. For him, I would start with The Seal of the Unity of the Three, and Cultivating the Tao. Harold Roth translated the Nei-yeh and argues in his book, Original Tao that it predates the Tao Teh Ching, and that Taoism was originally a mystical and meditative tradition. He also translated the Huananzi, which is a collection of texts discussing Confusianism, Tao, cosmology, astrology, and chinese legalism. His unabridged translation is so far the only that exists in English.

>Sufis

Rumi, al-Ghazali, and Ibn-Arabi are the big three Sufi writers.

Ibn al-Arabi - he wrote the Ringstones of Wisdom (Fusus al-hikam) as a concise explanation of Sufi thought

Rumi - William Chittick's scholarship is great. Avoid Coleman Barks translations like the plague.

Al-Ghazali - Also a mystic who wrote extensively. He also wrote an autobiography describing his spiritual journey called Deliverance from Error (al-Munqidh min al-Dalal).

>>129456

>>129459

a shining beacon in a sea of bullshit occultist nonsense

Body is the mind and the mind is the body.

IF someone thinks they are a escaped mk ultra canidate and even been through some top notch hallucinogenics as they helped them focus and divide up there mind.

That would be just crazy right?

On Being Lazy

>>127326

Sinister Forces trilogy by Levenda, Psychedelic Shamanism by DeKorne, The Master Game by DeRopp, The Occult: a history and Beyond The Occult by Colin Wilson, Ecology Of Freedom by Bookchin, Abolishing Freedom by Ruda, The Ego And The Flesh by Rogozinski, Science and Sanity by Korzybski and Aztec Philosophy by Maffie

>>129471

>>129459

Ah, Dynamo Jack, that is what the old vids called him. An american saught him ou, became his student, and wrote a few books. Here are the first two:

http://gen.lib.rus.ec/search.php?req=Kosta%20Danaos&column[]=author

>>129861

This -is- an anonymous imageboard, you're free to post it here. please?

>>129861

I'm interested in Taoism and energy practices. What discord are you talking about, the fringe one? I don't have a lot of time to be online, can you maybe give me a disposable email address or Skype name that I can use to contact you? If you're into faggot Facebook (I live in Vietnam so it's a must to communicate with employers) search for "thebestcamilo", I would love to chat with you

>>129973

The problem is not what sources are reputable (in that pic there are a few you shouldn't waste your time on), but which ones will work for you at your current level of development.

It took me some time to get into a state where synchronicity brought me what I needed at each step, and I would be making the same mistake everyone else does if I recommended you whatever I deem relevant to myself at the moment.

However, someone recommended Sane Occultism by Dion Fortune, which I hadn't read, and I think it's a good foundational text.

If you come back asking for more concrete recommendations (are you interested in chaos magick, ceremonial magic, LHP, RHP, Qabbalah…?) then it might make sense to recommend you something. But don't try to accumulate knowledge aimlessly. Find something that calls to you first.

>>129986

I don't even really know where to begin, I sort of already know a bit of reality shaping through willpower and "Lainism" back on old /pol/, and unarticulated spirit/ghost babble (which is what I'm assuming is the left-hand path or insane occultism). I need a good introduction or unspecialized start because I really don't know what I want or what any of this truly means.

>>130002

First of all let go of the notion that you need anyone to give you anything.

Then interrogate yourself: what kind of magic would you like to learn? Then dig in that direction. Stop asking to be spoonfed or you will never amount to anything.

>>130035

http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib4.htm

Honestly, though. It's a lot of brick for very little return. Most of the text is way over the head of most people.

Unless you have a teacher, build your knowledge from the ground up through practice. Don't get a doorstop like that book and get lost in it.

heh I've already read most of the books on your list

>>130043

Honestly, most people don't read that thing back-to-back, but it's great to have for reference.

Personally though, I'd definitely recommend reading it back-to-back at some point, even if it's heavy at times. Part 1 is written in layman's terms and easy to understand. The later parts are written in a way that expects the reader to already be somewhat familiar with the Western esoteric tradition, but like I said, keep it for looking up things long enough, and one day you suddenly find yourself getting more out of it than ever expected. At least that has been my experience.

>>130043

What if I want to read it because it resonates with me?

>sleeping on the floor,

oh thats great

buy buckwheat pillow too

>>130215

is sleeping on the floor without a pillow not possible?

>>130227

totally

i like both with pillow and without it just feels different for the neck mostly

also solid pillow is way superior to "soft" pillow

>>130233

meant "totally possible"

>>130233

I'm sleeping without a pillow on a hard mattress quite some time now. A pillow is arguably more comfortable for the neck. What irks me however, is that it's impossible for me to lay straight on my back on this mattress and actually relax. It's actually quite exhausting if I am not sleepy and I sometimes I would force myself to lie for hours and experience pain on ankles and elbows.

I wonder what it's like to sleep on the floor and how one would do that properly. I'm kind of deterred by arguably breathing in more dust particles when the room isn't squeaky clean. I did not research on that yet. (Of course one could have something akin to a stone 'bed.) What about sheets? Do you literally sleep on hard ground or do you have a very thin matt? I've only slept on my carpet occasionally.

>>130237

it depends

i never slept on a floor in a private house for example (only on beds with wooden boards)

but at my flat where i live normally i slept on the floor for more than a decade already

i have normal bed but i just never use it, its comfier to sleep on the floor

i don't really have anything other than old wooden parquet at the corner of the room, i don't use anything to make it softer (at first time it maybe feel too rigid but after a few weeks it feels like like average bed, it doesn't feel rigid at all more like a grass or something)

never had any problems with dust or anything it just don't accumulate where you sleep constantly for some reason

also i use this hard buckwheat pillow for sleeping or sitting, it works magically compared to "normal" pillow because it can hold its shape, never warm, you can form it like you want etc

but i think its all individual, like nobody in my family thinks sleeping on the floor is normal they in fact constantly butthurt about it

>>130238

Yeah, I understand relatives thinking you're weird. Mine are thankfully very open-minded.

I'll replace my mattress with wood once I experiment and get comfortable with sleeping on the floor.

Do you sleep straight on your back? If so, is it your only sleeping position?

>>127444

>"Science of Breath" gives false techniques.

Where can I find correct ones?

Now I'm paranoid as fuck

>>127565

Anyone care to chime more on this?

Been studying conspiracies and occult texts for 2 years (merely theory, not practice).

Is this Anon referring to gnostic theory of Archons wiping your memory after death? Or the buddhist theory of reincarnation?

>>130465

You're giving things out for free, and you seem to be providing good information, but ultimately you're still selling something.

> Every other method you've heard of is incomplete or won't work

> My method is conveniently the most complete

> Read this for free and buy the rest and you will be enlightened

>>130476

1) Not my product, I have used it to good effect so I can confirm it works though. So I'm not biased in the way of directly benefiting from any sales.

In fact, I don't even get so much as a pat on the back for doing this. I really just want to get techniques that work into the hands of people who will better themselves by it. STO stuff, you may or may not understand.

You may have missed it before, but I literally came across EE on one of the previous fringe boards, so I'm also giving back by doing this.

2) What is this whole "everything should be free" meme? Have you never heard of a balanced energy exchange? You get personalized guidance and infinite ability to ask questions of Satchidanand along with the course.

"Just because it's spiritual you shouldn't charge" is one of the most ill-advised thoughtforms out there. It really doesn't even stand up to basic reason.

3) There is one other system that I know of that *actually* works, meaning can take you all the way. It's not free either, actually would be even more expensive by the time you were to get to high levels of practice. I have my reasons for holding that one back, one of which is that EE is far more compatible with this group.

Don't sleep on the PDF. Even if you decide not to do any higher levels, you can benefit a lot from it and at least up your energy and therefore augment your other practices.

Anyway, this is all for whomever is ready. Those that aren't will indefinitely postpone or find reasons not to do it, even when it's free. I have experienced this enough times with people I know personally that I expect nothing less here.

As PDF is available now, thread will be made soon, so questions can be directed to me there (on the practice, PDF, or even general questions).

>>130491

>In fact, I don't even get so much as a pat on the back for doing this

You get a huge hormonal reward from shilling the nonsense you're emotionally invested in, same as most "STO" egotists out there.

>>130491

Where are their ashrama located? The site says india and brazil. Where in india? Can I get some numbers or emails regarding this? Thanks

>>127339

>Halfchan is obvious degenerate crap but here it is much more dangerous.

Imagine the memes people fall for on halfchan /fit/, but instead of doing stupid things with barbells, you do stupid things with malicious interdimensional entities and cosmic forces.

>>131724

Helps weed out the undeserving. Most every occult book I've read is at least half bullshit conjecture by the author anyway. Fucking with mundanes here is a drop in the bucket.

>>130732

Why are you posting these shill images that point to a website that immediately redirects to a shady url that would probably install a virus on my computer if I didn't have a script blocker?

And by the way it's pitiful to pretend that you can block curses with the impotent new age hippy bullshit you're pushing. If you're attacked and don't immediately set to completely and utterly destroying your attacker, you're completely at their mercy.

Also if you weren't such a pitiful whelp afraid of metaphysically asserting your dominance over others you wouldn't have to resort to shilling in order to feed yourself. Which ironically is just a cruder, more ineffective form of psychic manipulation.

>>131729

>>131725

do you have any more information on such shilling as you speak of?

not sure if you're trying to make valid points or just be an edge-l0rd but if you are trying to make valid points…i would like to know more

>>131799

Information on shilling? He's been posting his ms paint video course ads all over the board, not sure what other information you need.

>>131729

>Which ironically is just a cruder, more ineffective form of psychic manipulation

Exactly. He’s not only trying to manipulate people into his believe system, but on top of that he’s doing it like a coward.