/fringe/ - Fringe

>>122965

I was already trying to astral project and got pretty close a few times. But now I know of this temple in the sun…if you didn't tell me I'd probably never know. When I finally get out I will surely go there. However getting out is an entire different story to begin with…I never get past the beginning of the vibrational stage. Last time I got there my stomach seemed to be turning inside out and I thought I'm going to throw up. That discrated me too much and it failed.

>>122961

>Temple of the Law located in the heart of the Sun(ruled by the Archangel Michael, the holder of the scales of cosmic balance).

Does he take appointments?

>>122900

How does one become immortal in the astral plane?

>>122962

Break the script.

>>123082

By attaining enlightenment there. Mundane physical earth is not the only place where you can study and practice spirituality and attain liberation. In the afterlife you have some time too and if you did enough work on earth already it might be even easier there. Basically, if you didn't attain enlightenment in this life do not give up, continue with your quest for illumination in the astral planes. Nobody can tell how much time exactly you will have there before you die completely and your essence and karma get's reincarnated as another person tho. It may be a month or some hundrets-thousand years, the sources differ in their statements and obviously I cannot tell for sure since I didn't see for myself yet.

>>123106

I'll tell you a truth. Despite all my sins and my current life and traumas sustained. I'd like to be immortal. I don't need a new vessel, nor do I desire to "start over". To be quite frank. I started meditating about 2 years ago and my third eye is what's opened. According to muscle wizards, it's the false third eye, but things till occur and I have witnessed both the vibration there, (even without my focus) and visuals. Sometimes, they correlate with things in real life. No one believes me, but I'm coming to the conclusion that once I desire to speak about my experiences with people, I'm just going to write it in a book. I hear voices, some talk back. Some can seemingly sync me up with things and others even manifest in physicality. Time "slowing" down occurs more and more as well. I have sensed lightning before it strikes via visual ques like a blue dot and even hearing a zap type of noise ever so faintly before the lightning occurs.

Sometimes my limbs move on their own, but it's always for good. Like to avoid a fall or catching something falling. There is so much more I can go on all day. Literally. My point is, I have been doing this at 20% whilst doing a lot of things most would consider bad. Smoking, drinking, jerking off, some form of erotic hypnosis that I seriously believe was messing with my third eye and the spaces thereof. Funnily enough, there is an abstract shape of light I see often. Sometimes it's spirals, makes one of those symbols (which I have an entire other story about when it comes to my writings. Turns out I was using some of them before I saw them in real life. I'm like an utter fool as well. Yet, the changes have been persistent and I can tolerate a lot of pain compared to before meditation.

Been seriously thinking of talking it like I did weight lifting when I was younger, but man will it make me an outcast. Let's put it this way, through sheer will power, and towards the ends with good nutrition… I just realized I'm on the same path spiritually. Gonna have to go get that book. I hope to see you guys in heaven.

>>123186

I don't exactly know about physical immortality but what matters most is immortality of your consciouness/mind, your personality which is literally you. You can change dimensions and bodies, but you will be immortal. Even if this body breaks, even if you go to the astral you will still be you and exist forever.

I don't know about the finer details, you have to find out for yourself. Reincarnation means death. It is literally death to you because what is reincarnated isn't you anymore. You will die completely and from the stuff that is left of you someone new will be formed. This happens because you don't even exist right now. You are a mere illusion that exists only because you fool yourself that you are real. This is a huge paradox. If you wanna maintain this illusion and "become alive/start to exist" you have to attain enlightenment, which is the realization of your true nature and connection to the infinite All. This also gives you god-powers and immortality. This and only this is real godhood, the other bullshit what we call "gods" is just massive bullshit.

If you really wanna be immortal I suggest you cut all the larp and all the unimportant stuff that is going on with bullshit occultists here and really focus on your enlightenment. It is a VERY HARD task but not impossible. Good luck. You can learn astral travel along the way and open your third eye, which is recommended but I suggest not to waste time too much on any crap like summoning succubus, praying to satan, creating tulpas, watching for UFOs and all those conspiracy theories, fucking demiurge and illuminati blaming etc etc. All of this stuff is not real

>>123192

What if my true nature is evil and not good like everyone is always claiming?

>>123194

Thinking in good and evil is kindergarden level. Your true nature is neither good nor evil, it is just neutral. It just is..it's both and none of those. Good and evil are human concepts, guidelines for petty human societies.

>>123195

>a monkey on a tricycle

I had that dream a week ago LOL. We're vibing together. Look forward to meeting you in more depth one day.

>>123195

>The rest of the "you" is submerged in primordial chaos, dancing with elves, creating suns, doing stuff that would leave you catatonic if you had a glimpse of all the crazy shit happening.

Besides the good visions, I have also had visions of terrible things. Maggots/worms feasting on some unknowable shape, countless human bodies on a shoreline whose waters were pitch black with a booming voice proclaiming that the flesh of all men shall perish, even last night I kept getting a reoccurring vision of a spider on what felt like my third eye. One of those long legged ones, but it was a bright blue silhouette of one. I begin meditating and hear voices that tell me to get out and quite a few more. One time I did some real degenerate stuff I'm not gonna post here and when I began to meditate in the space where I did it, I'd see a black yellow eyed face with nothing but sharp teeth seemingly springing into my face. Even felt like a presence was there, but it was alleviated by not going back into the room until after some time passed.

I also get good visions, perhaps more often than the bad ones, but the bad ones definitely seem to correlate with things I consider wrong. Not always of course. The spiders from recent meditations didn't seem to correlate to anything, but it would disturb me. I think something is messing with me though. I have even had a dream where a girl (usually in a few different women's bodies) tries to make contact with me. She once told me that she wont get near me until I got rid "of that thing". In my dream it's invisible but manifests when my back is exposed. Looked like a tall slender person in wraps with long nails and what not. Didn't really get a good look at it though. But the dreams aren't literal and more or less metaphorical. I don't think about it so it can't be my conscious self at the very least, but maybe my subconscious has a runaway thought form trying to mess with me? I used to believe the bible literally, even if it was for a brief time. Now I just look at scripture like I treat meat that I eat. I separate the fat from the meat and I look at it from a multitude of perspectives. While I believe mainstream religions aren't going to get their believers anywhere, I do believe there are truths within them when viewed from many angles. Something no one in my local environment agrees with me on. Much less about meditation. They don't believe me, they don't want to try it out, nor do they care. Honestly, I sometimes consider my family to be not my family because I have grown so different from them. I already was different before meditation, but much more so now. A part of me longs to spend time with them, so I do, but I always do it at my own whim.

>>123201

I have been coming to that conclusion and been pushing myself in a certain capacity, to test it and my own limits.

>>123236

Carl Jung talking about universal archetypes. Collective consciousness.

Milton Erickson on hypnosis, the subconscious.

Native American Tribes with lodges that worked directly with elementals, religious practices and beliefs they deliberately stopped passing on to future generations.

I sometimes can sense things around me, spirits or elementals or just things. I don't see stuff though or have visions. But a ton of dreams though.

Sometimes I'll remember dreams where I've been talking to the deceased. People just working through things, dealing with stuff they missed out on while alive. And then the whole spectrum of dreaming in general, which would be a mix of metaphor, time travel, talking to the gods, doing stuff incomprehensible to my conscious mind and of course my personal favorite of flying. I love flying.

If I'm in a scary dream I'll often will myself to rise up above whatever it is. I usually have to make some swimming motions to get going. Always a downer when I realize that it's just a dream and when I wake up I won't be able to fly around. Though I've tried. Constrained by physicality.

I'm rambling.

But I've enjoyed it. Thanks.

>>123256

That's cool. Some of my best dreams were when I was flying. Some of my best visions are when I'm in the clouds or see stars. I do focus meditation in the third eye. I focus entirely on the vibration while ignoring anything that tries to manifest as a vision. When you have two days off from work in a row you should try meditating between 12 and 3 am. I get visions any time of the day, but during those times I get images going back and forth. The more still I am, the more vivid they are. I see eyes more than anything. If I can switch my focus from my third eye to an image without making a huge inner movement, for a lack of better words, I can hold the image in place. Very rarely I can have a vision from meditation where I'm moving around in it. It's not dreaming because I can contumaciously break them. In dreams, I can only control myself, but not my environment. But I have to realize I'm dreaming first. If I smoke pot I stop remembering dreams and when I have them, it's harder to realize I'm dreaming. In the beginning, it was great for helping with visions and insights. Still okay for insights, but I feel I have gotten to a point where I can't use it as a crutch anymore to hold myself up. Almost feels like it pulls me back now and doing things sober is better where as in the beginning it was the opposite.

My dreams are an entire mix of things all together however. Doesn't happen often, especially because of my smoking, but I have had dreams that come true. Other times it's clearly metaphor or I understand the dream not. Especially the phase were I was casting demons out of people. Had a series of dreams I would do that, and in one dream I ended up being poisoned by some gas plant I have never seen in this life and it caused me to pass out. I was able to find a bed within the dream before passing out and when I woke up, I was still in the dream and could only see in black and white. I was barely able to move. I tried fighting whatever it did to me, but the most I could manage was to shamble through my father's house. Eventually, I got on my knees and prayed for help. Once my prayer was done, I open my eyes in my dream at the same time I open them in real life. My back was against my bed in real life and I could see a silhouette of a small person with wings getting smaller and smaller. I like to believe that guy looks out for me no matter what kind of trouble I get into. Weather it's subconscious, dreams, or even in physicality.

>>123261

contumaciously == consciously

>>123236

Spider correlates to the web of fate. Your third eye? My intuition says that's your feeling of seeing the connections. One might suggest that your "vision" is clouded by the concept of the weaver rather than the web itself.

I would point you towards Ajahn Chah's dhammatalks if you would follow.

>>123298

I'll check it out. You actually got it right.

for effect and raising energy

affect not effect

>>123201

God and evil do exist, but only as consistence of their insistence.

>>123201

I have found that everything tends to come full circle. In struggling to fully understand things, as I go, I have noticed that these individual journeys of understanding are just as abstract as the esoteric concepts themselves. In chasing understanding you travel through the magnitudinal levels of the truth of the thing you are struggling to understand. That meta-brain expansion meme is a good example of what I mean.

>there is good and there is evil, they are separate

>good and evil are opposite ends of the same spectrum

>There is no good or evil, but rather perception of good or evil, what is good for me might be evil for you

>If there is no evil then nothing matters; everything has a reason therefor everything matters, there definitely is evil and it is separate from good

>>123519

Yep. I would add:

>evil is an invention of many and a necessary invention at that

>>123525

This is intellectual bullshit. Mind theory.

Evil is acting against ones soul or primal impulse (conscience, sense of doing wrong). It does lasting damage and is recognizable by other entities.

https://carljungdepthpsychologysite.blog/2018/07/07/the-murderess-shunned-by-humanity-and-animals/

>>123531

That's funny because I find happiness when I'm alone. With others, there is nothing but strife and misery with the exception of one person.

>>122837

Short version. You die. Portal opens, and sucks your spirit past its threshold. You hurtle down a tunnel. At the end is a dazzling bright light. You pass through the tunnel into that light. If you can recognize that the light is your true self and merge with it, before it shocks you into a sort of unconsciousness, then you will no longer reincarnate. Bad news is that means the end of 'you', your individuality, and so on. Merging with the light means the drop of water rejoins the ocean, and ceases to be a drop of water.

>>123621

Sounds like the real question is how to free yourself from this all-consuming bloat that calls itself your creator.

This physical world is not a school. You didn't come here with a purpose or a mission. There is no meaning to it. You aren't hear to cleanse yourself of bad karma. You aren't here to learn lessons and grow spiritually. Those are all just lies and sales pitches that they give you to keep you here.

This world is a drug. You are addicted to it. You agreed to come here. You were naive. You didn't know what you were getting yourself into. Now they are feeding off you and they got you begging for more. It used to be something else until they took control. Now it's just a perversion of what it was originally intended to be.

You don't graduate from this system. You don't ascend from it. You don't perfect yourself until you are "ready". Those are all wild good chases meant to form your belief system to revolve around some unattainable goal that will keep trapped in this this system for as long as possible.

How do you get out? You escape. You avoid attachment and temptation in this life. You have to get really, really fucking good at not attaching to anything or falling to temptation because when you die you will presented with everything you are attached to and everything that could possibly tempt you into coming back for "just one more". We are all junkies here. That's why we keep coming back.

>>123662

I like his videos, because I like remote viewing in general.

But I take this "Moksha" video (along with everything really) with a grain of salt.

"Notice everything, but don't take any of it seriously" was some spiritual advice I got a long time ago.

I'd amend it to "don't any of it Too seriously" because you need to take it somewhat seriously, since sometimes signs can save you from a lot of heartache and general shitstorms.

The guy that was a lightworker, astral travelled to other people's "heaven" and was shocked when an "angel" transformed into a demon and ran him off before he could fuck up their between lives experience is a good example. He quit being a light worker because the Universe wasn't playing according to his script.

Yet, he wasn't immediately run over by a bus.

I love the bible. It's true, in a context. But it's also a plagiarized work by shysters giving themselves a nice backstory. Still, it has power.

I think when the curtain is finally drawn we are going to find out that we are ultimately the ones pulling the strings. But in the meantime, we really are here to learn. Deep, hard, heartfelt lessons that reverberate throughout all of whatever "all" is.

If it were easy it wouldn't be any fun.

Just my duex cents on the matter.

>>123671

>But I take this "Moksha" video (along with everything really) with a grain of salt.

>"Notice everything, but don't take any of it seriously" was some spiritual advice I got a long time ago.

I definitely agree with that sentiment. There is no spiritual silver bullet. The truth was shattered. The pieces were scattered about and intermixed with falsehoods. You can't trust any one source of information to be the complete truth. One has to learn to discern and build their own model. Most religions, philosophies, teachings, etc. have some truth and beneficial teachings and most also contain flawed, incomplete and misleading information. If you go around looking to be handed the truth in a nice pretty and complete package you will either being deceived or end up discarding everything. I found video related about the Tibetan Book of the Dead (or rather the speaker's interpretation of it) to be interesting (despite his channel's cringe worthy title) but I still don't take every word as gospel.

Vaunted Lies The Dog

Bone Stripped Clean

Staring Blindly

Sunlight's Stream

>>123648

As individuals, we have already accomplished that long ago. When the drop of water escapes the ocean, and becomes an individual, it is free from the ocean. Reincarnation is not the bondage some claim, but freedom from the "bloat"….or for the trekkies here, it's freedom from the Borg collective.

OP is a CIA Nigger. I know these things

-crestind

Reincarnation is unceasing. Even if all life were to cease in the universe, it is simply a numbers game as to which soup of amino acids and phospholipids would produce new life. At a certain level, alive and dead are no longer meaningful qualifiers.

The trick is to stop giving so much of a shit about whether or not you reincarnate. If you hate the idea of reincarnation, that's as much a fetter as loving the idea. Either way, you're going to be unable to approach it with equanimity. The idea of a need for the cessation of reincarnation is a causal goal, and anything causal or dependent is useless.

Buddhas are capable of instantly attaining nirvana because they aren't fooled into caring about leaving samsara.

>>123660

>blackpilling this desperate

Why not just instantly kill oneself then, huh?

https://discord.gg/yA5pSR3

>>123660

This is the conclusion I've come to as well. I entirely agree

How many of you know for sure that you have stopped reincarnating? Did you willfully decide to be reborn in order to be a teacher or just to check things out? It seems like being willfully reincarnated in this timeline would be masochistic.

>>123195

This might be true, what if belief systems are just a hindrance or a trap? At the same time I have a hard time believing that hundreds of brilliant philosophers and theologians throughout history could've been fooled like this.

Anyone here read Robert Monroe's books?

>>122935

>>122942

This sounds so arbitrary and specific I have a hard time believing it could be true.

In the end I think McKenna was right when he said [about death] "it's probably not what anyone thinks it is".

>>135818

I’ve been told this is the case for me by several sources. I don’t understand how this could be, nor why I would come here in the first place.

Vaiṣṇavas, who do not accept the materialist premise of Lord Buddha's philosophy, see his teaching as limited but not entirely untrue. Śrīla Prabhupāda gives this perspective:

When the spiritual spark, which is described as one ten-thousandth part of the tip of a hair, is forced into material existence, that spark is covered by gross and subtle material elements. The material body is composed of five gross elements—earth, water, fire, air and ether—and three subtle elements—mind, intelligence and ego. When one attains liberation, he is freed from these material coverings. Indeed, success in yoga involves getting free from these material coverings and entering into spiritual existence. Lord Buddha's teachings of nirvāṇa are based on this principle. Lord Buddha instructed his followers to give up these material coverings by means of meditation and yoga. Lord Buddha did not give any information about the soul, but if one follows his instructions strictly, he will ultimately become free from the material coverings and attain nirvāṇa… Unfortunately, unless the living entity has information of the spiritual world and the Vaikuṇṭhas, there is a 99.9 percent chance of his falling down again into material.

Text from Vanipedia.org

Roswell Alien Interview by Lawrence R. Spencer

Journeys out of the Body by Robert Monroe

Far Journeys by Robert Monroe

Ultimate Journey by Robert Monroe

Nag Hammadi and other gnostic texts

Videos:

Moksha Reincarnation Trap by Technical Intuition

https://archive.org/details/moksha_video_20190830

The Death Traps by Farsight Institute (I uploaded it to this telegram channel)

https://t.me/+2b7N3uAJAP8wMTYy

The Escape by Farsight Institute (Don't have it at hand right now so you'll have to find a torrent. They put up the trailers of all their projects for free though.)

Misc.

https://www.adventuresinremoteviewing.com/post/disclosure-and-the-death-traps

trickedbythelight.com

Also of interest:

Jerry Marzinsky on parasitic entities

https://youtu.be/64uyYw2jywA

The Cult of the Black Cube by Dr. Arthur Moros