/fringe/ - Fringe

>>119882

Why don't you learn positive thinking?

>>119882

There's always good to be done. What's the point of doing nothing? If you aren't going to pursue anything in the meantime then a sooner suicide would be self Mercy

>>119885

I've spent too long being negative, any attempt to try being positive would just be lying to myself. Besides, this world/reality is absolutely nothing to be positive about.

>>119886

I've done nothing all my life, I don't really have it in me to do good or ill. All I manage to do is be a passive detriment to those around me. It would probably be better to kill myself sooner to save everyone the trouble of dealing with me, I just haven't got around to it yet, that's all.

>>119888

this doesn't make sense at all. Why would an attempt beeing positive lying to yourself? Because you decide it. If you decide that an attempt trying to be positive would be beeing honest to yourself, cause you have been negative for so long, than it would be honest. Besides, this worl/reality is the one you created, so destroy it and built one you like which brings you love and joy!

Just begin to make yourself responsible, don't cry about how others may feel about you and don't be this arrogant thinking you would take a burden from them if you commited suicide!

>>119888

"I need to die. I'm such a bad friend, a bad person, I hate myself! I could barely stand going out in public on Sunday, because I came to realise how absolutely ugly I am. Poor mirrors, poor people who have to look at me.

I'm so stupid and confused. My eyes never stop tearing. I have no chance. I'm a horrible friend, horrible. I don't deserve friends, the wonderful people who include me in stuff must be reincarnations of Gandhi to have to put up with ugly, horrible, freakish me.

There are people there, but am I distancing myself from them? Why am I this way, why am I so sad all the time? I have a happy mask, but lately it's been broken, beyond repair, will I ever get it back?

I told my friend part of what was wrong. Am I hallucinating? Am I right? Who's going to be there to answer all these stupid questions I'm asking myself?!

I feel alone even with my friends. I feel like I'm perpetually on the verge of tears. Loneliness and tears can make a person feel in ways they don't normally. I usually try to be a happy person but lately…

Oh well, I should just shut up, there are people with far worse problems than mine."

http://www.wombtwin.com/wtsstories-die/4580529150

>>119891

I've been depressed for more of my life than I haven't, and I've long since lost the ability to believe in there being anything positive about myself or this world. So I'm totally hopeless. The only good thing about this life for me is that it eventually ends and my only hope is that I don't ever have to experience it again, but I'm sure I'll be disappointed on that front.

>Besides, this worl/reality is the one you created

How is that so? Did I create all the world events that took place before I was born? Will the world end when I die?

What are some /fringe/ approved suicide methods?

>>119932

Mahasalami

>>119932

drowning in a lake

>>109901

It's not punishment meted out by some cosmic father-figure you dummy, it's just the nature of your condition. Giving in to suffering in a manner such as suicide is horribly damaging to your soul.

>>109972

God can only do something if you accept Him as your Lord and Savior. That's why we have the Church.

>>120016

Countless souls have been irrevocably damaged/broken by being incarnated into and experiencing this world/reality. Suicide is not a big deal in that regard.

>>120018

>jesus knocks on someones door

>"let me in"

>why- the person inside asks

>"because I need to save you"

>from what? asks the person inside

>"from what I'm going to do to you if you don't let me in and pay the church money" says jesus

>the person inside doesn't open the door

>the person inside is smart!

JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

religion is a scam. worship only GOD!! the one and only GOD!

>>120027

hey just a pro tip: there's lots of suffering but the soul itself can't get hurt or damaged. when pass on (however it may be that God takes us) God cleans us up with pure love and we feel better again even if we lived through hell.

>>120038

If that's the case, what's the point of living this life to begin with? Just to be a plaything for God's amusement? I subscribe to the notion that God doesn't give two shits about this world or anything in it, that at least makes more sense.

>>120042

basically God created the sun, the moon, and the stars "and it was good" but it was not good for humanity, it was good for the purpose that God had for humanity.

basically this matrix false reality is designed to be bad on purpose because we are all meant to have these experiences.

about 100 years of hell, and then an eternity of pure endless joy, love, happiness, orgasmic bliss, and many more senses we don't even know about yet. hurts now but is definitely a fair trade long term.

>>120046

>we are all meant to have these experiences.

Why is that? What benefit are they to us? What is the purpose of this life if the slate gets wiped clean after we die, if not to be a plaything for God's amusement?

>>120060

here is a great example:

God had foreknowledge and may have had impact on Eve and Adam's decision to eat the forbidden fruit.

God may have set them up to eat the forbidden fruit, just the same way Pharoah was told to release the slaves but then "hardened Pharoah's heart" so Pharoah couldn't let them go.

the fact that Eve did not know the difference between Good and Evil when she ate the forbidden fruit is very paradoxical, since She and Adam literally had no way of knowing that disobedience was a bad thing. They are technically being punished for doing evil when they specifically didn't know what evil was or that eating the forbidden fruit was wrong other than the fact that they were told not to eat it, but that goes back to the fact that they had no way of knowing that disobedience was a bad thing… The question is why? To learn? Are we meant to learn here on earth? Does this experience exist because we are supposed to learn what it is and know what is good and bad and avoid what is bad so that we may be distinctly good? it's becoming clear that everything is planned.

technically speaking this life we are living in is a metaphorical bite through the apple of the knowledge of good and evil in slow motion. we are learning the difference between good and evil so that we can willingly and knowingly reject evil and choose good. yes, there are some grey areas but I'm sure you can score a "you tried" and still be forgiven because you can't expect to put a good seed in bad dirt and expect it to grow healthy so it's not your fault if everything goes wrong and you fuck up over and over and never win anything or improve but the point is to try. the very fact that you try to be the best you can be and strive for perfection in a perfectionless world, the fact that you WANT to choose good, and fail even- is what God wants to see. you WANT good.

The more I learn about it, the more the entire concept of "life" seems like it's not even a real thing

>>120124

look up these translations

>matrix = womb

>apocalypse = lifting of the veil

>renaissance = rebirth

>>120109

It seems like you can't see how disingenuous this whole setup is and that's kinda sad. Does an all-powerful god really need to put the likes of us through the wringer for its own amusement? I think maybe you just like being a plaything too much.

>>120161

I'm no fool. I know that God could choose to just zap all the knowledge and memories into our minds and make us well and I wish that God would just do that so that we didn't have to suffer anymore. it does suck to have to wait, but I'll just have to wait then. doesn't stop me from praying every day that it will end.

>>120165

If you know that God won't help us now why do you expect to be helped later? Is it that hard to accept that God either doesn't exist or doesn't care about us (functionally the same thing)? And according to your post, doesn't that make this life just about waiting for death which is when things get infinitely better for us?

>>120166

as I mentioned in this post

>>120109

I think we are supposed to experience this and try to choose to want to want to choose God, good, over everything else.

basically the experience is like about rejecting bad and picking to want good, and wanting to pick good. even if we fail, the fact is that we are trying and we want to do the right thing. I absolutely hate life, 100% honest. it's miserable and depressing but I try my best anyways. I don't think we have a choice and I don't believe in free will the way that other people define it. all that being said, 100 years of hell is a small price to pay for eternity. love, bliss, everything good, everything RIGHT, FOREVER. (and none of that "but you get tired of it eventually BS" it just keeps getting better forever so it's never stale)

so don't get me wrong or anything, I'm suffering immensely just by existing here but I'm not mad at God or anything. I should be, technically speaking, but the real truth is that I know that God is good and I really shouldn't be, and am not in anger or blame towards God. it's complicated, but I know it's going to all be not just okay, but better than wonderful in the end.

as for now though, I have no mouth and I must scream.

>>120169

Where do you get 100 years from? That's a rather arbitrary number. Do you think it takes that long for this good and evil training process to be completed?

>>120227

Pretty sure they mean the life span of a human by 100 years

>>120240

this it's about human lifespan is what is being said.

Are there any rituals or anything that can change my destination after suicide? Like maybe become a ghost or a demon or something.

>>120310

>I made it in

Nice!

>>120240

>>120288

So how does suicide affect that then?

>>120325

>So how does suicide affect that then?

I don't advocate suicide and anyone who wants to do that should seek help. I'm not judging I'm just saying seek help. I'm not a doctor or a mental health professional. spiritually speaking in my personal opinion, I believe that God controls everything and that even free will isn't technically 100% real since

>God created everything

>God controls everything

>God created the concept of free will because the idea appeared in the minds of humanity

>since God created free will, and God created humanity, God controls free will and God controls humanity

what this means is that everything that has ever happened, is happening, or ever will happen (especially since time is fake and we all live in the matrix -again my opinion) is COMPLETELY controlled by God. everyone has their time and place when they will go and we all hope that we can die peacefully of old age in our sleep or something gentle and peaceful along those lines, but it's not the same for everyone. nobody really knows how they're going to get "taken by God" into the great beyond/ heaven. you could argue philosophically speaking that even suicides are technically speaking pre-ordained by God and that just how long they were supposed to last on earth.

you can apply the example in (not the same way) but a very similar way when you look at all the babies and young children who die on earth every day from accidents, illness, and starvation to name a few reasons people pass on. some sections of christianity believe that innocent and ignorant babies just go straight to hell and suffer forever for some pretty vague and stupid reasons. I don't agree with that at all. I believe that everyone goes when they go because God decides every single event that takes place and people get taken into heaven and cleaned of all their obvious and non-obvious problems and illnesses and become pure-good and then stay with God in heaven forever. (many people have trouble accepting this and giving God credit for everything that happens because it's a difficult thing to accept especially when you have been a victim or a witness to something horrible)

I believe that the current state in which this reality we live in exists, is unnatural. I believe that Heaven/God/Eternity true freedom and origin is the "real reality" and the true natural state of being.

Quantum Immortality: you die on this fractal of the universe, but you continue to live on others and there will be at least one fractal where you live until the your intended death date.

>>109901

>That seems unjust

It's because it is unjust; too much time would be wasted if what anon was saying actually were true. This current instance of reality is not the only instance. And anon isn't even taking into consideration suicide for purposes of the martyrdom; too many holes in his theory.

>>109910

>If you are here it means you accepted the terms

This I agree with, but the terms being broken doesn't mean that there is a punishment; the terms continue as the universe is infinitely fractalised.

>>109925

>Why do beings want to trick you into reincarnating?

Because physicality results in suffering, and suffering results in understanding of what is of low quality/standard, and understanding that results in development on those areas, as well as a development in spiritual strength.

I would go as far to say that suicide may be the only true option for a certain kind of man in our age. This world is fucked up and for a man who only suffers here, who does not feel home here, who can see the degeneracy and corruption rising and rising in this world…to keep on living and trying to survive would only betray his own values and his own goodness and truth. Such a man might simply refuse to participate here and in his mind proclaim that he is too good for this shit, and he rather leave this plane than betray his own values and honor. Maybe such a man came here by mistake, maybe he was tricked, or maybe he just came to test himself if he is so true to himself that he can say no and leave again. The door out is always open, nobody must stay in this club if they don't like it

>>120940

thats certainly how i feel, but really i dont wish to die, i want for this world to not be a complete crapsack. i am angry because it could be such a wonderful place.

>>121100

Child of the one and true monad don't let your own thoughts deceive you. This exact reasoning will bring you hell. This world can never be a wonderful place during your lifetime. It is by design a hostile environment full of suffering. And even when the so called "golden-age" would be real, it would not happen anytime soon. And it would fade away again. By buddhists and gnostics alike this reality is recognized as huge bullshit.

There are the astral planes, several various heavenly and otherwise magnificent realm that are one million times better than this earth we live in. You can go there and be free. Will you really let your own attachment to this earth keep you trapped in this hell?

Your longing for life here and for a good earth is an illusion that will never be possible.

Thou shalt neither be attracted to this shithole, nor be repulsed by it. Remove all attachments and set thyself free.

You don't have to suicide btw, you can always undertake experiments like joining a monastery or becoming homeless if you really don't want to die. The most important part is that you realize your error in mind and release the attachments.

No anger, no hate. You can be perfectly aware that this world is shit, but don't let emotions cloud your perception. Gnostics and Buddhist all know that this world is suffering and all of them want to be free. You be like them, strive for Gnosis, strive for Enlightenment. Or else you will never leave.

>>121112

are you certain the world is destined to be lousy? is this world not hellish largely in part by the deliberate efforts of immoral opportunistic liars?

people are forced to tolerate such systems as they claim to provide solutions. either protection against other such predatory people, or from problems they themselves perpetuate. thats certainly a design of sorts but it is man-made.

>>121114

It can't be helped. Even if all people would work together and were friendly, still pain would be here, and death, harsh forces of nature and dangerous elements and negative spirits etc etc.

But even now, forces are at work that make an utopia impossible. No human can fight against those forces.

Only you can liberate yourself, and you can only liberate yourself. Flee while you can.

You can always come back later and reincarnate when such a "golden age" is here, but know that this will pass too, and even during the golden age there will be suffering. This is the curse of the material, physical plane. And even if it was a golden age, it could not compare to the absulote magnificence of the heavenly realm of the astral planes.

>>121114

>immoral liars

>evil exists

yeah about that…

Suffering is not evil. Every person chooses their own fate, whether they realize it or not; or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that the fate creates the person, and a change in the fate would cause the person to dissipate and be replaced by an alternative version. Even if fate does determine life in this way, fate would determine whether a person has free will or not, and whether they would act in their own interest or not; so acting to better yourself in the face of suffering is a sign of fate.

Or the alternative; to react to suffering by bringing more suffering upon yourself. Perhaps that is the closest thing to evil that could exist; intentional self mutilation. But it isn't really evil, any more than a cow that falls off a cliff is evil; that's just natural selection.

>>121119

even if everything is set in stone before we observe it for ourselves we still have to play the part. the spoilers of humanity dont deserve a break just because they are acting from an all encompassing script. if that is the case no one should react to anything.

Depending on the method used, pretty much the same as what happens to everyone else. If a slow method, then your senses will shut down one by one, til all are gone, and your awareness withdraws within. You will then become aware of the dance of the two spheres in the lunar and solar channels, they will eventually merge, a bright flash, and you will be outside the body, connected by a thread of light. The thread will shatter, a portal will open, a suction will draw you in, you will hurtle through a long tunnel, be ejected into a white light that will shock the spirit into unconsciousness. When you awaken, you will be a disincarnate entity floating in a luminous void. After some time, being without the body you were addicted to will cause a paroxysm, like being in a floatation tank too long. After that, your formless spirit will begin to build itself an illusory body of sorts that will allow interaction with antarabhava. You will begin to see phantasmagoria akin to what is described in the 'Tibetan Book of the Dead'. Eventually the entire process will culminate in rebirth in heaven world, hell world, earth world, etc. Wherever your destination, sooner or later you will eventually be reborn here, and find yourself in pretty much the same place and situation you were before you did the suicide. The bad news is that suicide is only a temporary reprieve, and not any true escape.

>>109897

>>109897

There is some negative karma attached to suicide, but nowhere near as much as killing someone else. The spiritual fallout is manageable.

>>109910

>you have to lose your "lust for living" in order to achieve enlightenment

This is patent bullshit on par with "you must destroy your ego in order to see higher". Your ego is a part of you, just as you are a part of the all. And if you can't enjoy life and the suffering inherent (all suffering is challenge to be overcame), if you can not enjoy the now then you won't enjoy what comes next.

>>120352

>I believe that God controls everything and that even free will isn't technically 100% real since

Everything follows the 'fingerprint' of the metapattern (father pattern) even our thoughts and actions.. But, the metapattern is absurdly complex to the point that any attempt to visualize it always results in what appears to be pure chaos (though it is orderly, just hyper complex) But, I believe that what free will is is that we have the ability to consciously alter our course through the pattern.

https://sanctionedsuicide.com/threads/sn-resource-page.32633/