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File: d961b5f53ffe7b8⋯.pdf (2.47 MB,Morphosephram_ebook.pdf)

 No.101019 [View All]

I downloaded this book from an old /fringe/ thread on the subject of shapeshifting. Unfortunately I forgot what content was posted in the thread and could not find an archive of the thread. Is this book any good and is there any other material on shapeshifting?

inb4 rule 2: This is a shapeshiting general thread ;^)

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 No.108830

>>101126

>>101116

I appear as a little girl with an orange dress and boots to other people when observed with non physical senses. I have no idea why, it doesn't match my appearance in any way.

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 No.108831

>>101153

>Partial invisibility. I suppose this smae techinique could be used to "fit right in" and appear like you belong in place when you might really not.

This is a legit thing. I've seen people use it to hide their face in plain sight. It becomes impossible to make out their facial characteristics even when looking directly at them.

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 No.108835

>>108829

>If you had endless time to study magic and the universe, you'll find out what is real and what is not

I assume you do have endless time to study magic and the universe?

>Whatever you'd want to use this for, it can be done better with another method

What if someone wants to use it to… y'know… shapeshift?

>You're wasting your efforts

I never said I want to be a shapeshifter. What kind of a half-assed strawman is this.

Anyway, I never asked what is the purpose of shapeshifting and whether it is needed or not, nor about your advice on learning skills, so you are kind of going off on a tangent.

>AP

>it's not good for anything

Agreed, but it sure is fun.

>Start by breaking out of the cycle of reincarnation, then we can talk.

Did you achieve nirvana, since you are talking about it? You can have siddhis and not achieve it. Arhats can pop their bodies in and out of existence at will, yet they still haven't reached nirvana. Breaking out of the cycle of reincarnation is not in any way a start to this kind of stuff.

To sum up your arguments as to why it can't be done:

>it can't be done

>end of story

>I know people who can't do it

>it's useless

Hope I haven't omitted anything :^)

I know people who modified their body through magic and meditation. That is, technically, shapeshifting.

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 No.108865

>>108835

>I know people who modified their body through magic and meditation. That is, technically, shapeshifting.

With that definition bodybuilding is shapeshifting. Watering down the concept until it means something else than you ("you" as in people in general, not you personally) originally meant to make it true is not what I'm talking about. The old threads (and other places where this is discussed)used to have people talking about turning into werewolves and all sorts of fantasy stuff. Why? As long as you are stuck here as a human, you're in the karma sphere and can't escape your suffering, so even wanting to do something like that is just an attachment you need to let go to even develop any basic skills. It's just an idea, " for fun", but fun shouldn't be your goal unless you have everything sorted out first. Fun like that is just hedonism and you'll end up a tranny and mutilating yourself like other confused armchair occultists.

But I guess that is also "shapeshifting".

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 No.108868

>>108865

>The old threads (and other places where this is discussed)used to have people talking about turning into werewolves and all sorts of fantasy stuff

They also had people talking about changing hair color and modifying their bodies. Yeah sure, turning into a werewolf doesn't seem as likely as body modification and most of it is just obulshitism.

>As long as you are stuck here as a human, you're in the karma sphere and can't escape your suffering

Well of course.

>you need to let go to even develop any basic skills

Not true, you can develop plenty of basic skills without it and also plenty of not-so-basic skills. Would that bring you closer to the end of suffering? Of course not, but no one claims it will. If you really think that you have to attain nirvana to have even the basic skills, not even talking about real siddhis, then you are greatly confused. You use Buddhist (or Hindu, can go both ways) terminology, but even the sutras contradict you, not even talking about tantras. They explain a great many skills that are available. Before nirvana/moksha of course.

>fun shouldn't be your goal unless you have everything sorted out first

Don't presume you know what my goals are. And yes I know, you are not talking personally about me, maybe, but still - get down from your high horse. You seem to think you are the only person here that knows about the mechanics of karma, the end of suffering, stages of enlightenment, reincarnation, nibbana and all that. You are not. This just isn't the place for this talk, go and create a separate thread about it if you wish to do so.

>you'll end up a tranny

There is nothing wrong with being trans-gendered.

>like other confused armchair occultists

You seem to think you know me, but you do not. I'm neither confused, nor armchair.

also

>having fun makes you a tranny

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 No.108873

>>108868

>You seem to think you know me, but you do not

>>108865

>"you" as in people in general, not you personally

I find it interesting you seem to identify with the tranny part tho, just confirms what I've seen recently. It was a reference to JTS "johnny the savage" BO of a bunker /fringe/ who just came out on youtube.

When I consider something as dumb I can bash it all I want, maybe it will save someone from falling for it.

…and "karma" is not just used in buddhism.

https://youtu.be/U2G6yFeWmw8

The story told in this vid illustrates the seriousness of the issue pretty good. I'm not saying I share his worldview, but he does manage to describe some of the consequences of living mindlessly in today's world.

If you have the chance to actually escape suffering, why not take it?

Maybe you'll get ill or end up a cripple in hospital and then you'll realize you wasted your time on useless things like "shapteshifting" and silly tricks.

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 No.108876

>>108868

I'll throw in an anecdote, maybe that will illustrate what I mean. I used to follow a blog of an american who went to japan to do karate. At first he found no real challange anywhere, everyone was worse than him, until he met an overweight truckdriver

>Yoshigai The Destroyer

>he showed up at the dojo after this american had beaten everyone there and asked him to spar

>first exchange of blows he breaks the guy's ribs

>second time hits him full force in the jaw

>the jap almost didn't move, just backed off enough for the blows to miss by an inch and then countered

>american is humiliated in front of the class and accepts defeat, has to recover for 3 months for ribs to heal

>Yoshigai then shows up again and offers private training sessions with him and another black belt

>his first lesson is: always fight with your left hand front until you mastered everything

>when I beat you, you kept changing sides, you will never get good that way

This was an eye-opener for me because what I've come across in the west is that you're told to train both stances equally, left hand front and right hand front. But I can definitely see why the one sided approach is better for kumite - your right hand is the main puncher if you're right handed, so you should use it that way and block with your left. Going beyond this before you've mastered it will be a hindrance to your development if competitive kumite is what you want to do.

The similarity to occult practices is how a lot of people learn want to learn fancy stuff but and they miss the fundamentals and they'll end up like that american. If everyone is doing it with the same newb approach it seems you're good at it, but you'll eventually get your ass kicked when you encounter a real practitioner.

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 No.108877

>>108873

Saying "other confused armchair occultists" implies that you consider me as one, so in that case you either worded it poorly or it was directed to me personally, despite your previous statement.

>I find it interesting you seem to identify with the tranny part tho

I don't have to identify as trans-gendered in order to say that there is nothing wrong with being one.

>maybe it will save someone from falling for it.

>hmm… I've had gender dysphoria my whole life but now that I've seen some anon bashing it on /fringe/ I'm all good

Yep, sounds about right.

>…and "karma" is not just used in buddhism.

Of course it's not. I said Buddhism or Hinduism. No other systems come even close to understanding the mechanics of it. Anyway, if you are not speaking from the perspective of these two systems then why are you using foreign words connotations of which you are clueless about?

>vidrel

And to think I actually treated you seriously.

>>108876

cool story

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 No.108887

>>108877

>to think I actually treated you seriously

If getting burned in an oven forever doesn't sound bad to you, I don't think there is any point in me talking to you anymore.

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 No.108889

File: a8a926ea9ba8166⋯.jpg (4.92 MB,2111x1600,2111:1600,the-transfiguration-of-chr….jpg)

5 For Moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law, that the person who does the commandments shall live by them.

6 But the righteousness based on faith says, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down)

7 “or ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).

8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim);

9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.”

12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.

13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard?[c] And how are they to hear without someone preaching?

15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!”

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 No.108894

File: a31c71f9b6b1048⋯.jpg (131.89 KB,627x880,57:80,Lord-Dattatreya1.jpg)

>>108887

Of course, because the knowledge in the vid is 100% legit. Yahveh revealed the ultimate truth of life to a guy who prayed for an OOBE. All mysteries are solved guys, pack it up, we go home.

also

>getting burned in an oven forever

>Start by breaking out of the cycle of reincarnation, then we can talk.

>in an oven forever

>cycle of reincarnation

>forever

>reincarnation

You can't have both you know, right?

Nevertheless you're right

>I don't think there is any point in me talking to you anymore

I really don't think there is.

>>108889

Venerable Lord, who is an Avadhuta? What is his condition? What is his characteristic? What is his worldly existence?

(Dattatreya then replies) The Avadhuta is so called as he has discarded worldly ties, and he is the essence of the sentence ’Thou art That’. His worldly existence consists in moving about freely, with or without clothes. For them there is nothing righteous or unrighteous, nothing holy or unholy.

For him there is no such thing as sin or virtue. The ethical system of sin and virtue is to protect the minds of the worldly, since the mind is the measure of all things and all things last only a moment.

~Candamaharosana Tantra

There, we both quoted our scriptures. What does it changes or proves, except for contributing to an off-topic?

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 No.108897

I know this is off topic but is the book of knowledge any good in regards to shapeshifting and other areas aswell?

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 No.108975

>>108894

>You can't have both you know, right?

Plato didn't have a problem explaining this in the last chapter of the Republic. It's short, read it if you want to know.

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 No.109396

How do I start growing blonde hair?

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 No.110658

File: 6d6f8f10c6cbce6⋯.jpg (8.63 KB,204x247,204:247,tan.jpg)

Say I make a tulpa of my ideal self. I work to develop the tulpa until it is 'imposed'.

Then I exchange control of my body with the tulpa consciousness and affirm the replacement of my old ego.

Am I wrong to expect a change in my 'physical' appearance here? I want to exchange my ego for one that is more aligned, but I really don't want to live my whole life in this misaligned body if I can avoid it. My plan is to tie a 'form' to the replacement consciousness/ego and then switch.

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 No.110660

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>>110658

>thumbnail

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 No.110664

>>110660

pic unrelated homo.

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 No.110669

>>110658

You should work on realistic and grounded goals, work on your ego one day at a time as you can't live without it. Your ego is as much a part of you as your astral, mental and physical selves are (as the ego is one of those selves).

What do you dislike about yourself that you have trouble changing anon?

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 No.110671

>>110669

It's frustrating to me when I ask for advice on technical questions and I get the kind of answer I would expect from some self-help guru. I don't know what you mean by 'realistic' and 'grounded' so those terms mean NOTHING to me. I believe that the mental precedes the physical, if you believe otherwise either submit some form of basis for discussion, motivation, reasoning or don't reply.

What do you mean by realistic??

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 No.110696

>>110671

>Say I make a tulpa of my ideal self. I work to develop the tulpa until it is 'imposed'.

You're splitting yourself up into Narrator and Tyler Durden to then switch places, you're fracturing your psyche/ego into a PERCEIVED perfection with faults that you don't recognize because of where you stand, you're going to become more hurt than you are now if you manage to actually go through with it.

>Am I wrong to expect a change in my 'physical' appearance here? I want to exchange my ego for one that is more aligned, but I really don't want to live my whole life in this misaligned body if I can avoid it. My plan is to tie a 'form' to the replacement consciousness/ego and then switch.

You are wrong to expect a change in your physical appearance, you can't change your ego to one that is more aligned, you can learn to reign your ego in and be more present in your actual life.

When I told you to be realistic I'm not telling you to get a job or do good in the community, I mean work on smaller term things, do something every day that will help you understand and deal with your ego, instead of creating an idealized version from a self you, yourself, admit is not to your liking, and then switching places with this to become better, you're just feeding more fire to an open flame and you're only going to end up burnt.

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 No.110697

You have to walk in a person's shoes to be able to make accurate judgment about their life.

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 No.110732

>>110696

>from a self you, yourself, admit is not to your liking

That's alot of selves. The ego is doing all of this, not just the bad things. Bad ego, bad boy!

Why is the ego reigning itself in more mature than the ego constructing it's replacement?

>you can't change your ego to one that is more aligned

Many people give a different account with more extensive background.

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 No.110790

>>110732

Your ego won't reign itself in, you should learn to do that if you can tell the difference between your own self and your ego.

>Many people give a different account with more extensive background.

To be fair I worded that pretty ambiguously, you cannot CREATE a brand new ego, change your old one with that and expect to be more aligned with it because feeling "aligned" with your ego is still relying on the whims of the ego and trying to play along, your ego is a filter to your experiences, it's subservient to you.

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 No.110808

>>110790

I mean… this is the shapeshifting thread right?

I'm talking about creating a tulpa and exchanging control. At the start of the thread people were talking about creating thoughtforms and merging with them. This is what I want to discuss here, only in terms of tulpa.

I don't care about your general life-advice. Can you understand that?

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 No.117112

>>110808

I'm not the guy you are responding to but.

I guess you could. I mean, isn't a Tulpa just an advanced thoughtform? If this is the case, I guess the principles at the start of the thread would apply.

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 No.117113

>>117112

Also forgot to mention this. But, Magical use of Thoughtforms is invaluable to the pursuit of shapeshifting. Read up on the power of desire, imagination and visualization so that you can get a general idea on what to build off of. At this point, I would probably use the methods learnt in Magical use of Thoughtforms in combination with the techniques found in the Morphosephram relating to Shapeshifting.

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 No.117117

>>108830

how do you know this?

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 No.117124

>>117117

You mean you can't read other people's minds to find out what they think of you?

get out newfig ;^)

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 No.117188

>>117124

how long did you practise magick to do that? how long does it take to see any sort of magical result?

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 No.117189

>>117188

It depends on how you define "practicing magic". I started with noticing patterns for how to pick winning lottery tickets from street stands when I was around 12 or so, then went on to make my own divination table from scratch when I was in middle school, making use of the school woodwork shop. If I was to add in all the years I spend on different relating things from that time onwards, like eastern practices (qi gong/martial arts)I'd have to say 20+ years.

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 No.117339

>>101019

Btw if you look at the thread at fringechan people say the book curses you with bad karma if you tell anything about it, in case people haven't noticed

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 No.117703

>want to create servitor that represents masculinity so that I can merge with him and boost my confidence,stature, and muscle mass

>afraid he will spiral out of control and become a tulpa that will feed off of my masculinity and turn me into a even weaker and less masculine male because I have a feminaztion fetish

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 No.119258

What are the limits of shapeshifting?

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 No.119617

>>119258

I'm growing tits and I've only been pursuing magic for about 6 months. You can absolutely do it instantly tbh

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 No.119620

>>119617

which method?

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 No.119771

>>119620

Projection of intent as literal as can be

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 No.120254

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

> shapeshifting thread

> ctrl+f Druid

> zero matches

DIS APP POINTED!

Protip: Sleeping bears may be druids in disguise. If you wore a bearsuit you'd understand shapeshifting.

Because history is bogus the magical schools don't even recognize the native American shape shifting shamans as a line of Druids. The cataclysm was used to erase not just history but magic… There are some who still remember.

Drop the BS astral crap – There is no astral plane, there is only reality and IT is magic. If you want to shape reality stop being trapped in an imaginary astral plane and affect it directly. Unify those opposites, fam. This is the way of the druid.

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 No.120282

>>120254

I believe in Tha astral plain as a tool, but I agree with you. Reality is definitely the magic, especially if the astral plain is real

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 No.120284

>>119617

can you run us through the process? just meditate on a ideal appearance and imagine yourself becoming that? I'm assuming you mean visualizing changes in bone structure or fat distribution while laying down in bed or doing everyday activities.>>119617

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 No.124871

bump

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 No.124902

The only thing I would ever wish to shapeshifting into would be the ideal identity I take in the space above. If I did that I would never be able to integrate as a human ever again.

As much as I wouldn't mind, nagging thought says to be wary.

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 No.127697

Bump

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 No.127841

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 No.127842

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 No.127843

File: 0a3eb72adc65b30⋯.png (23.89 KB,632x298,316:149,s.png)

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 No.127844

>>127843

Can someone fetch an old thread from 2016? What is he refering to here?

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 No.127854

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 No.127855

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 No.141040

the segment on astral projection in Initiation Into Hermetics indirectly infers that you can shapeshift via astral projection.

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 No.142362

File: d961b5f53ffe7b8⋯.pdf (2.47 MB,ebin_pub_morphosephram_the….pdf)

File: dc153adb4305ead⋯.pdf (1.91 MB,The_Book_of_Knowledge.pdf)

>>101019

Files that used to be here.

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