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Has anyone played a proper political rpg where the characters govern & rule? I'm interested in how long it lasted as most people seem to prefer the murder-hobo route.
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No.420212
I don't like politics. Too much irl.
I play RPGs for wish-fulfilment!
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No.420445
>>419549
Sorcery &Swords writing seems to bring out a lot of dirty old men. *looks at Ed Greenwood*
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No.420854
>>419549
Where's the next book?
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No.420886
>>418491
anonfile.com/Xay8C1s3b1/PALADIN_-_Warriors_of_Charlemagne_pdf
see also, Pendragon, it's built for this kind of stuff
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No.422278
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No.424794
My group has never really matured beyond the Murder Hobos angle, so unfortunately I have never gotten a chance to play any form of kingmaker\ruling sort of game in any system.
On this note I have noticed Ars Magica can sort of scratch that itch, what with managing your base which is more of a commune and various house relations so that could scratch the itch while allowing people to still murderhobo as aggressive companions and grogs.
>>419549
>>419585
I always thought it was a meme because that is pretty much how he left a character who was a massive waste of time in the books, as well as the fan favorite after the HBO release, and will probably be the very last we see of her period as FatFuck Martin has given up on writing them at this point.
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No.424795
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No.424830
>>419585
>5000 pages of story
you mean 100 pages of story and 4900 pages that follow unimportant characters that dont do anything interesting and in no way advance the plot
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No.424832
>>424830
to be fair this is basically every fantasy series ever. and I am not sure where the idea that kings way back in the day weren't massive murder hobos.
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No.424833
>>424832
you should read better fantasy. i reccomend starting from pic related
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No.424834
I read Zelazny but if you don't think the series could be condensed by a significant margin and keep all the important interactions I don't know what to tell you. perhaps it needs more apt descriptions of chaos or less dinnerservice.
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No.424836
>>424832
Whenever I go to any writing forums and see guys commenting they don't know how to start nor what to write, but they just know they want to write a trilogy, I can't help but roll my eyes. Bitch, do you even know what you want to tell? Either get your shit together or get straight to the point. Life is short and there are a shitload of books to read, so quit wasting my time.
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No.424838
>>422278
>kebab
Dubrovnik is a Croatian city. Croats are genetically almost identical to Serbs (both are South Slavic), the main difference is that where Serbs have Turk admixture from their centuries under the Ottoman Empire, Croats instead have German admixture from their centuries under the Austrian Empire.
So the Serb is actually the kebab in this scenario.
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No.424840
>>424838
None of that is true. Croats, Serbs and Bosniaks have nearly identical ancestry and are virtually indistinguishable from one another. They're a mixture of Illyrians, Slavs and Goths.
If you're looking for cockroach rape babies look no further than Albania and Kosovo.
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No.424846
>>424838
Protip: That doesn't prevent them from hating each others guts.
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No.424854
Of all the horrible mistakes Daenerys did in the series, burning a city full of people actively going against her and not surrendering when she gave them the chance isn't one of them.
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No.424857
>>424854
Burning the capital of the kingdom you're trying to govern to the ground doesn't exactly inspire confidence in your subjects, especially after you bring over a horde of raping shitskins to enrich the locals. Dany makes for a shit ruler, as does basically every woman in GoT. For a leftist cuck Martin really knows how to write women as incompetent, petty, stupid clowns that make everything worse for everyone when they're let out of the kitchen.
Then again, the whole last season was fucking retarded, the two kikes couldn't wait to wash their hands off GoT when they saw Disney money coming their way. That being said, the schadenfreude I experienced from seeing all the fans rage was something truly divine.
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No.424858
>>424857
You got a point about everything EXCEPT the burning of the capital. If the traitor bitch and the people don't submit to you, you better burn them all down just so everyone learns.
People are just using modern morals for a supposely medieval society. You give them a warning to surrender, and if you dont then you kill and rape everyone inside. That's the moral thing to do.
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No.424863
>>424858
Except even in medieval times nobody was stupid enough to mass genocide a city; you capture those you can while pillaging.
Resources are important, the average person does not have a will of iron that needs a city burnt down to crack.
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No.424864
>>424863
But she has dragons, the equivalent of nuclear weapons in that world, and there has been an Iroshima yet.
Besides, I don't know why you should need a will of iron to erradicate a full city full of people you already hate. Besides, the sins of the population of King's Landing were too big to be forgiven. They deserve the fire.
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No.424865
>>424864
Dwagons aren't work force, they won't help quick expansion.
I was talking about the will of citizens not the pillagers.
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No.424870
>>424864
>the sins of the population of King's Landing were too big to be forgiven.
Care to elaborate? I don't know what the PEOPLE of Kings Landing did to suffer. Was it supposed to be just desserts because they got swept up in the religious fervor striking down the decadent lifestyle of the nobles?
I didn't watch the series all the way through, was steadily disgusted by third season and dropped it after they kept going off script in stupid directions like the lack of Lady Stoneheart or Stannis getting offed so if there was something extreme there I probably missed it.
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No.424881
>>424870
>They turned against Ned Stark, the most pure warrior in the Seven Kingdoms, so much he was stupid
>They didn't rebel outright against Joffrey after going old testament with their kids
>They felt into shitty fanatism
>And worst of all, they allowed an incompetent bitch with no claim to the throne to sit in the iron throne
>AND STILL they allowed that stupid bitch of a queen to poke the other stupid bitch the equivalent of nuclear weaponry
The golden capes are at fault for following such whore, the peasants are at fault for not rebelling against the golden capes. Everyone needed to burn because of that, man, woman and child.
The French Revolution started for less shit.
>>424865
It might remove any workforce from the city, but it would also make every kingdom think twice about fucking with her like her great grand grand grand whatever father did.
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No.424888
Yes, and it was beautiful.
>Isekaied into Rifts
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifts_(role-playing_game)
>We quickly become war criminals due to our 'no such thing as overkill' policy
>Forced to move into the cyberpunk wild west
>We create an enclave
>Enclave develops into a city
>We recreate our society in the image of the United States of America
>We also have magic, so US soldiers that die in the front are risen up as skeletons to keep protecting their families abroad
>Things are good
>Suddenly literal actual Hell starts attacking
>Annex anyone we can
>Ask other powers for help, most of them are dicks so they won't help. We do get some major deals in firearms and general war gear
>Have a plan to create a massive robot army to take over the west and kick those filthy illegal Dee-bees out of my fucking country
>Demon cultists summon kaiju monster in the middle of my city
>Monster dies
>High cultist comes over and tells us that he won't bother us if we don't become a problem
<sounds like a fucking ultimatum to me
>Tell him to get the fuck out of my country or I'll kick his ass back to hell
>He laughs it off, believes we're bluffing. We weren't.
>Launch a full on attack against any and all demon patrols we find
>Demon bitch boy comes over and attacks our capital
>Four million demons, zombies and cultists in power armor against fourty thousand ancap peasants with laser winchester rifles, a group of legendary heroes and a dragon.
>Albeit extremely outnumbered and outgunned we still manage to decimate most of the attacking force, with heavy casualties on our side, as well. The city's lost and there's four million souls in a massive battlefield that is sure to become a fucking paranormal rave.
>One of the PCs sacrifices himself to take down the cultists before they manage to open yet another portal to hell right on top of our city.
>Everyone else doing what they can to save as many civilians as possible
>Next day the dust is clear
>Capital's lost
>America survives because America lives in us all.
>We take off and move to another plane of existance dominated by some fuckboy demon that killed my dog
>We literally start a war over a dead dog
>We win that fucking war
>USA prevails.
The game ends because it's been going on for almost a year now.
It's restarting again. I cannot wait to see what happened to our little faction.
Pics related, basically our party.
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No.424889
>>418491
I've played Games of Thrones RPG once. We were the ruling family of a small noble house in the vale. The campaign was light on the politics, mostly we were doing more usual adventuring stuff in order to bring stability/protect our house. I think the GM was trying to introduce more politicking gradually, but the campaign ended abruptly.
My recommendation would be to start small, and gradually immerse the players and their characters in politics, at least if the players don't have any idea what to do in the beginning. For example, here's your house. Then a threat appears, like bandits on the road leading to your city. The players characters go beat them up. Maybe they uncover the bandits had a mysterious benefactor... It eventually turns out to be a lord from another house. You have to come up with important factions and people and their motivations. Also the PCs should have clear motivations what they want to accomplish, as it would encourage them attempt to play the game of thrones.
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No.424890
>>424854
People complained about her burning the city, because "waah they ruined her" but I think her burning the city was stupid on the writers' parts specifically because it was so unneccessary and tried to cast earlier Daenerys in a good light. If you look back over the previous seasons she spent most of the show giving off a psychotic vibe, and does all sorts of shit that makes normal people go "what the fuck" such as crucifying people based on their social class or burning POWs alive because they refused to kneel to her. Daenerys was already a psycho bitch and they didn't need her to burn down a city to convey that. They could have just had the characters around her react believably when she did all the shit in earlier seasons instead of this weird shit where they seem not to mentally process what happened.
Of course, Season 8 was a massive rushed shitshow of obviously cut and slapped together out of sequence scenes, but I think the writers' fundamental misunderstanding of "how to human" was the real problem, because characters like Jorah, Tyrion, and Varys should already have been horrified by Daenerys much, much earlier in the show.
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No.424893
>>424890
But armies actually burned cities in war if they didn't surrender. Especially when they are in the middle of battle. For all the stupid ideas Daenerys had, killing everyone who opposed her isn't one. In fact, she didn't go far enouth.
Besides, the Starks went so far to execute people for slightly disobeying them, so having them morally panic about what the bitch queen did is idiotic. It's like if they forgot what fucking war is and how fucking filled with bloodlust soldiers get when they fight for their survival, is not something you could turn on or off by your convenience.
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No.424894
>>424893
My point is that the writers having her burn the city so she'd seem like the villain wasn't even necessary because they'd already been portraying Daenerys as a mentally unstable psychopath. They didn't need her to "snap and do something bad" because she was already off her rocker.
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No.424895
>>424894
Ah, I see.For me is the only slightly satisfactory fucking revenge I saw in this disgusting series.
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No.424898
>>424893
>But armies actually burned cities in war if they didn't surrender
Not all armies did so. Mongols did, sure, but that was a deliberate intimidation tactic to make sure other cities gave up without a fight. Romans did it to Carthage but, again, this was a deliberate and planned act of destruction.
The issue is that cities and the infrastructure therein are difficult and expensive to rebuild, and if you're the one conquering you don't want to spend money and effort having to rebuild what you just destroyed, especially after a costly campaign/siege - so the burning and destruction of cities was a rare occurrence.
>For all the stupid ideas Daenerys had, killing everyone who opposed her isn't one. In fact, she didn't go far enouth.
Oh, man, you're a cuck, aren't you? She killed innocent people that did nothing to her. It's doubly retarded because her whole backstory is "liberating" (in the American sense of the word) a whole other continent where populations were also victims of their ruler's whims, yet she didn't slaughter those. Guess killing white people is okay for a liberal cunt like her.
>the Starks went so far to execute people for slightly disobeying them
That never happened. Neither Ned, nor Robb nor Jon ever killed people without ample justification.
Jesus Christ, are you really such a cuckold you chose Dany and her retarded behavior as the hill you want to die on?
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No.424901
>>424898
>That never happened.
The first episode? then the bearded faggot who told Jon to fuck off? By your standars they killed those people for even less reasons.
>Already using 'cuckhold' when the only thing I've said is that killing all those people were the only thing she did well.
You are a little bitch without friends, are you faggot? You can't even start a discussion without going full retard.
Go eat Cersei's cumfilled cunt or something.
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No.424902
>>424901
>The first episode?
Where Ned Stark killed a deserter according to the laws of the kingdom? Something that is explicitly told the audience. Do you happen to have brain damage?
Also, I have to marvel at the stupidity of equating Ned reluctantly beheading a deserter to Dany slaughtering hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children for simply being at the wrong place when her PMS reached its peak.
>then the bearded faggot who told Jon to fuck off?
I have no idea who you're talking about. There's a lot of bearded men in the story.
>You are a little bitch without friends, are you faggot? You can't even start a discussion without going full retard.
I'm insulting a white knight being a white knight. Not my fault you're a subhuman. Try not to sprout stupid shit next time and I'll have no cause to make fun of your retarded ass.
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No.424903
>>424902
I could teld how I would prefer everyone dying by the Whitewalkers but had to settle with just a city ravaged, I could explain you how much of a faggot you are for calling the people of Kings Landing "innocent" even after they cucked out so much over the fucking 10 years of this shitty series, I could try to explain the points that you obviously forgot or you clearly are ignoring because you are an edgy faggot who loves incestual cunts or something, but you'll just be like the pigeon shitting on the board, so there's no point in doing so. Fuck, there is no point in making this post besides giving your hungry faggot ass the (you) so much crave.
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No.424905
>>424888
Modern Rifts use the Savage Worlds system, right? just out of curiosity.
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No.424909
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No.424910
>>424903
>everyone dying by the Whitewalkers
What has that to do with Dany nuking a city for no sane reason? Also, you have yet to explain how Ned is as bad as Dany for beheading that one random deserter in the first episode.
>calling the people of Kings Landing "innocent" even after they cucked out so much over the fucking 10 years of this shitty series
By doing what exactly? Not deciding on a collective strike and starting a commune? What have all the civilians in King's Landing actually done that was so heinous they deserved to be burned to death?
>Fuck, there is no point in making this post besides giving your hungry faggot ass the (you) so much crave.
You're mentally ill, that's the problem.
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No.424912
>>424910
>What have all the civilians in King's Landing actually done that was so heinous they deserved to be burned to death?
Not giving up when they were given the chance. Being stupid enouth to think they could actually face a dragon instead of pulling the bitch queen out of her castle and cut her head. Hell, even if this was the fault of the writers for writting this mess, for accepting such whore as a queen after she blew up the Septim.Which also deserved to die, but that's another story.
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No.424913
>>424912
Yeah, the commoners should have called for a referendum and demanded Cersei get impeached.
Please just go drink bleach.
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No.424916
>>424913
You have to be so wrong you have to strawman me and just insult because you have no argument, just scream "Dey dindu nuffin!" while ignoring what people actually did in war in medieval times.
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No.424923
>>424912
>Being stupid enough to think they could actually face a dragon instead of pulling the bitch queen out of her castle and cut her head
Isn't the point of the Red Keep is that it was more or less impregnable short of an entire siege? How the fuck were a bunch of overworked peasants supposed to do anything about that after the last 'rebellion' they had with the sparrows just shut the fuck down?
Again, burning the city was retarded and it served a purpose of showing her doing exactly what her Father wanted to do, burning down all of Kings Landing because he was an insensible cunt throwing a temper tantrum.
It's utter foolishness to try and hold the uneducated morons who have been consistently starved and abused into compliance by various wheelers and dealers accountable for every wrong the heavily armed elite decide to do.
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No.424924
>>424923
It's wrong for the simple reason they have no agency in any of it. They didn't vote Cersei or her spawn into power, they didn't choose to start a war, and it's made very obvious they do not approve of Cersei and her rule.
Hell, if Dany wanted to make a point she could have just destroyed the Red Keep, instead she went on a deliberate rampage throughout the city killing indiscriminately. Even if you could make the dumb argument that the adult populace shares enough blame to get killed for it, what have the children done to deserve getting roasted to death?
Everyone with a brain agreed that Dany makes for a shit ruler even before she came to Westeros. The last season just made it abundantly clear for women and leftists that lack the necessary IQ to realize this by beating them over the head with it.
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No.424928
>>424923
>>424924
They could open the gates of the city, even if that was just to run away or surrender. She could hole herself in the Red Keep even if you can't access it by any way, but if that's not the most impractical city in the whole 7 kingdoms there should be at least 4 or 5 peasants for every soldier. But even if they truly are poor victims they still had to go just to make a point and make an example. The Targaryen might be incestuous cracy monsters, but they knew how to make 7 kingdoms to submit just with a few dragons and an army to operate logistics.
If the series was well written probably the peasants wouldn't be burned down. For fuck's sake, they wouldn't even be on the streets.
And on the psycological point, every single soldier opposing Kings Landing wanted them dead. Too many peasants and houses killed by Lanisters in the North and the castratti and the barbarians just knew what their bitch queen hated. Even if she had a moment of clarity because some retardness writting and had time to think rationally, what should she choose? Her soldiers or the peasants who will probably not be loyal to her and risk herself to be betrayed like Rob was?
And the peasants were degenerate fucks full of shit who couldn't get their shit together. Now they show children and "oh, poor children" yet did nothing when Joffrey started going Herodes on his own people.
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No.424930
>>424928
How deep are you in the autism spectrum? Serious question.
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No.424945
>>424912
>there are Daenerys fans in fullchan
Why are so many of current year's summerfags female?
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No.424946
>>424928
>implying Herod the Great did something wrong
Even if he did what your kike-on-a-stick mythology accuses him of, which no historical record supports or even mantions, then what would be wrong about killing kike infants when they were bragging that their "god" did the same to the Egyptians?
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No.424948
>>424945
Considering how obsessed it is about the proletariat rising up (to be cut down by trained soldiers), it must have slithered over from /leftypol/. They masturbate at the thought of Dany and being able to be a white savior such as her.
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No.424952
>>424893
>But armies actually burned cities in war if they didn't surrender
you can count all total sacks of cities on an one hand though
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No.424954
>>424952
You have a point thereexcept when talking about muslim hordes assaulting Europe, but this is A Song of Fire and Ice and to be "realisting" ie. edgy every goddamn city is sacked.
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No.425131
>>424912
>after she blew up the Septim
What did Uriel ever do to anyone? Why is everyone always trying to kill the poor bastard?
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No.425148
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