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Alright, /tg/, I have a challenge for you: Take your favorite (or alternatively least favorite) fantasy (or sci-fi, if you feel up to it) setting, then apply the Palinka Effect to it. Post results when you've gotten some way into it. If you can, make an actual campaign with the results.
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No.368879
>>310559
>pick utopia
>add slavs
>the Palinka Effect
Boy, seeing the effects, makes me wonder why the jews used niggers instead of slavs.
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No.368947
>>368879
Slavs are still technically white.
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No.368962
>>368820
Nah dude, you're not thinking bloody, poor or ridiculous enough. I think I talked about shit that was going on back then in Yugoslavia a while ago in some thread on /k/, but fuck it, /tg/ is the best board so I don't mind repeating myself.
For example, a favorite used to fuck over NATO guided missiles were toasters. You'd get a good old toaster - or any kind of heater, really - and put it inside a greenhouse. The shittier the greenhouse, the better: some examples were straight up plastic bags suspended over wires, with a heater put inside them. The only thing that matters is that the thing looks like a tank or a vehicle, at least dimension-wise. So when the nightly bombing runs happen, the NATO bombers would target anything with a high heat signature that looks like a tank and drop their payload unto it. This was because, according to NATO intel, the Yugoslavian (or at least Serbian) tech was so old-school that it was prone to overheating, meaning that if something's lighting up on your heat vision, that's gotta be their military. So the bombers would fire at the heated greenhouse tank, which would then mark them up on the Serbian radars which were so old school that they only registered a heat signature if it was happening straight above them - and that was their only chance of counterattacking. To do that, they manually fired missiles into the NATO planes from cover, hoping shit would hit. Some time they did, some time they didn't.
A personal favorite of mine involved a story about an AA battery, which was hidden under a bunch of blankets to keep the thing heated up and running (because if it got too cold, it would shut down), while also disguising it from the NATO planes. So when a bomb drops, it misses the AA battery because it was heading for the heated greenhouse, and then you'd see a bunch of Slavs with blankets show up from nowhere with a WW2 era flak cannon. Shit was equally funny as it was horrifying.
As for guerilla tactics, the Albanians were the undisputed masters of that. That and good old terror tactics, like taking out an entire village overnight, killing everyone not-Muslim in it, throwing their bodies on a pile in the center square but not before gouging their eyes out and sending them to the Serbian army in barrels. Yes, barrels filled with eyes were a common thing back then. Or, they'd hijack regular civilian buses, and have the drivers take them into far away territory - we're talking about a bunch of Albanian soldiers driving all the way to Bosnia on stolen vehicles. When they got there, they'd set up some good sniping positions, and instead of chasing after military troops, they'd hunt down civilian refugees. This would then cause a giant stir, the civilians would scatter, and end up running into either the Serbian or Croatian or Bosnian army (and usually dead in the process), but that would also reveal the army the civilians ran into to the opposing groups, which would then start another bloodbath, after which the Albanians would go after the stragglers before retreating back to Kosovo when they're found out.
As for fun stuff, one story I've heard involved a bunch of civilians being extracted from Kosovo, and a whole lot of them were women. So the Serbian army intercepts the civilian convoy, and decides to investigate. Turns out, a bunch of those women were dudes, hiding under burkas and shit - whose disguise was almost too good, except the fact that they had to show off their new Nike shoes. So a bunch of suicide bombers in drag got found out because of their sneakers. Another one involved a bunch of wrecked tanks, which as it turns out happened because the drivers got too drunk from drinking the alcohol from the tank batteries because they drank everything else. Most of that unit died from poisoning instead of bullets.
Shit was ridiculous.
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No.368984
>>368879
Slavs keep to themselves, for the most part. Those that immigrate don't cluster in ghettos with no expectation of decent behavior and certainly don't demand gibsmedats.
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No.368985
>>368984
Not sure for all slavs, but none that I know would ask for gibs. Personally, I find the idea of begging for gibs to be shameful. Also yeah, we tend to keep to ourselves. At least most of us understand that communism a shit and we wouldn't want to have that again.
t. Slav
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No.368986
>>368947
>>368984
>>368985
>t. slavs
Uncle Adolf himself said slavs are subhuman.
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No.368988
>>368962
>Another one involved a bunch of wrecked tanks, which as it turns out happened because the drivers got too drunk from drinking the alcohol from the tank batteries because they drank everything else. Most of that unit died from poisoning instead of bullets.
That's fucking great.
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No.369072
>>368986
Citation needed in the original German, Moshe.
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No.369073
>>368820
>dwarves collapsing buildings
How have you used cave ins and/or caves/confined spaces in your games, teej?
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No.369256
>>368962
Microwave ovens without the door tend to pop up on a radar hotter than the AA systems the serbs operated, also a tub of water inside a plywood tank looks like a real tank. Both of which made NATO look like a bunch of asses to the Serbs.
>>368986
Them foreign legions say otherwise.
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No.369460
>>368962
>which as it turns out happened because the drivers got too drunk from drinking the alcohol from the tank batteries
I doubt there's alcohol in batteries. But filling radiators with liquids useful in more ways than water with the regulation antifreeze is an old trick. Red Army did this.
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No.369505
>>369256
>Them foreign legions say otherwise
Well, if you judge by SS legions, then you can consider muslims to be master race as well. Just look at them Aryans, man!
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No.369533
>>369460
That seems like an important piece of info to mention if you want a mechanic properly evaluated and discussed.
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No.369577
>>369505
>if you don't consider other races subhuman then you must consider everyone is the same race!!!!
Are you a jew? Because that's an awfully jew-y mentality you've got there.
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No.369594
>>369577
>using mudslimes to do his bidding and kill white people
Was Hitler a jew? Because that's an awfully jew-y mentality he had there.
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No.369600
>>310559
>really hates bulgarians
Muffled angry gaida in the distance
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No.369628
>>313021
Autochtonians are the real Slavs. There's even a canon version of the Palinka Effect in the form of the Locust Invasion.
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No.369804
>>369628
Okay so lets say I go for a race realist fantasy game set the geographical equivalent of Slovenia to bulgaria, the main fantasy races are there in small numbers (The elfs moving east, formerly resided in the area but have moved east towards italty and spain, the dwarfs basically being mountain folk and staying underground, the albanians or southern euro being the default baseline human, the northern euro being a northman viking type people. Turkroachs are literal bugmen who have weaponized lycanthropy, and far to the NE the Rus are basically half orcs, the last remains of the savage northern people).
I am then going to drop modernday Serbia (or perhaps just like 1990's) Serbia into the same location as the map, they had originally acted as an important buffer between the bugmen and the elfs but in the decades since arriving have expended most of their technology and now must begin to survive as a medival nation.
So yes, I want Palinka Squared Effect. Blackpower and technology work but there are no easy ways to acheive the kind of precision machining or vast energy generation that modern tech needs for replacement parts. All of their stuff is considered one and done (althought I may let them summon a Fiat or something).
Stuck between the bug men of turkistan and the elfvish fops busy running away, what would Neoserbia bring to the table in a Isekai like fashion (Im more or less pegging them in as the Hops, Tabacco and wheat guys as the other things they are known for (steel and manufacturing) seem dicey without the developed power/infrastructure that they are going to lose a big part of in the move over).
So what do you guys think, can beer and cigs and squats conquer fantasy balkans?
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No.369842
>>369804
I think you quoted the wrong post.
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No.375748
>>369804
Depends on what either the Elves or Bugmen have to offer.
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No.386945
>>369460
Most of the old Yugoslavian army learned everything it could from the Russians. It had a bunch of ex-USSR military men who came there and taught the local generals how to wage war, especially against some terrorist groups (remember: these guys fought in Afghanistan back in the day, before the US even thought about invading the place).
So the Serbs using Russian tactics shouldn't really surprise you. You can even look at the whole ordeal as this: the Russians never actually helped once during the Kosovo bombings, instead seeing how a small country using their tactics will deal against both domestic terrorists (the KLA) and a foreign power bombing them (NATO).
Reminds you of something? The Kosovo bombings was a dry test run for the Russians to see how they'd fare against the NATO and Chechens when WW3 rolls around.
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No.387004
>>369594
he also didn't want to gas the kikes™ but ship them to madagascar
Hitler also wasn't as smart as Stalin to wait until Soviets invade Poland first to appear as a glorious liberator and savior from communism for the cheap price of all industrial capacity of Poland and access to the sea!
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No.390510
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>>386945
How well did it turn out in Chechnya? What's worth fighting over there anyway?
And hang on. How much worse would the Balkans get if, in this Palinka Scenario, all of its folklore monstrosities came to life?
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No.390513
>>390510
It would quickly come to a hault as strongman spirits set up petty kingdoms. Thereafter it would be much like feudal times, where war was constant but a civil affair.
naw I'm joking, slavic myth is a bloodier affair than Greek. It'd be like the deep forests of Warhammer Fantasy, without ruinous chaos.
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No.390566
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>>386945
Russians never helped during Kosovo bombings because Russia was in the middle of financial crisis and Yeltsin was an American puppet, you retard.
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No.390588
I just had an idea, is there a reverse palinka effect?
If we teleport part of fatnasy middle ages realm border of yugoslavia does that make our historical yugoslavia an in depth and interesting fantasy setting now? Would it go something like, A wild Elminsister appears, Slavs discover squat magic. Entire world is terrified of Slavs with actual magic powered by squats, an early World war lasting a hundred years starts as everyone tries to discover or destroy the source of the slav's wonderous squat magic.
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No.390597
>>390588
Sounds like a slightly more Slavic Saga of Tatyana the Evil.
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No.390615
>>369628
Wasn't it the Locust Crusade?
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No.399554
So, did the Slav tradition of tracksuits come from the Olympics?
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No.399572
>>399554
No. Back in the commie era western goods were luxuries. Tracksuits are one such good that made its way from the western side of the iron courtain to the eastern one. They often have company logos or instantly recognizable stripes in case of Adidas. That makes tracksuits perfect to show off your higher status due to ability to get something that is hard to acquire. Combine that with how versatile and comfortable tracksuits are, they eventually went from status symbol, to an element of subculture, to something that is ubiquitous within the society.
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No.399589
>>399572
> No. Back in the commie era western goods were luxuries. Tracksuits are one such good
You mixed everything up.
During USSR proper there was a subculture of stilyagi (the name emerged post-WW2, but it existed since day one) who used western clothes (proper, high-quality; vibrant colours and latest fashion preferred) as a status symbol. Usually, it was kids of high-ranking officials who were doing it to show off their non-conformism. Tracksuits weren't used as a day-to-day wear by them.
Tracksuits are part of a later - and much more massive - gopniki subculture (marginalized criminal youth) that emerged in the late 80s/early 90s (1989-1993) and was using sport goods for self-identification (as a contrast to "proper" clothes). By this point cheap foreign goods were already flooding the market and cheap (china-made) tracksuits were easily available.
I.e. "tracksuit subculture" never used tracksuits as luxury goods, but in a manner analogous to some sort of generic gang colours.
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No.409061
>>390588
Balkans naturally turn anything else into more Balkans, unless quarantined. That's the point of Palinka effect.
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No.409382
>>312817
>>312839
>muh idealized superpower and a stable empire
Name one fucking empire in the world history that was perfectly stable and didn't eventually start to gradually destabilize and collapse. Muh magic doesn't make people's mentality any different. Look at China, for example, they brag about being cultured, technologically superior, spectacular inventions like gunpowder and paper and whatnot, and they got their shit caved in multiple times by nomadic tribes because people in charge were indolent and stupid and commoners didn't really give a fuck as it didn't make them any difference. If your YUGE empire is entirely homogenous and entirely stable then your world is dull as fuck and it doesn't make sense, e.g. you're a noob.
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No.409383
>>409382
egypt had a nice track record for being stable
but yeah, tensions make for good stories
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No.409389
>>365539
>In the old times (Greek greatness era), none, even the Middle-Asian nomads were semi-mythical for them.
Not really. In the ancient times Scythians and Sarmatians (Indo-European nomads who lived in the general area of today's Ukraine and Russia, who later settled down, mixed with proto-Slavic like Neurjoi and Germanic tribes like Basternai) were conducting raids on the Hellenic sphere of influence, mainly Makedonia and Thracia. Scythians and Sarmatians were employing heavy cavalry and horse archer troops, and there's substantial evidence that the Hellenes came into contact with it and adopted it - it can be seen in Alexander's doctrine of hammer and anvil where the hammer was heavy cavalry (generally unknown to Hellenic warfare before) and hippotoxotai (horse archers in Greek) that were considered very effective and employed as often as possible. It's said that hippotoxotai were used as early as Pelopponesian war.
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No.409390
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No.409403
>>332072
>Is that why slavs like 40k so much?
The people I know that are into 40k unironically consider 40k an utopian setting. I disagree it will only be utopian after the Tau are genocided
t. slav
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No.409446
>>368984
>Slavs keep to themselves, for the most part.
>Those that immigrate don't cluster in ghettos
Which is it, nigger? A ghetto is an ethnic enclave.
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No.409477
>>409446
Ghetto's bring to mind places that are so trash practically everything is in decay and covered in gang signs.
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No.409492
>>409403
But the fucking Dark Eldar are alright? Nigger, if you're gonna turn the grim darkness of the future into a human only "utopia", you have to genocide all the other races, not just the tau. Orks, tyranids, necrons, eldar and the forces of Chaos. All of them. Good luck with that, by the way.
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No.409539
>>409492
you don't udnerstand, anon, war is part of the appeal. Tau are the only pacifist faggots in the setting (and pozzed commies to boot) so they have to go.
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No.409737
>>409539
Tau aren't pacifists. At least not in later versions. I'll agree on the commie part, but that's just unfortunate writing. Hedonistic spacejews aren't much better off.
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No.409908
>>409737
Yeah, I said pacifism but I actually meant the prospect of peaceful coexistence rather than aversion to war.
>"come join us in DIVERSITY, goyim :^^^^)"
is what I mind about the Tau. Sorry for being unclear.
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No.411122
>>390566
At least, he's not PUTIN the world worst situation...
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No.411213
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>>310559
Did a once-off Matrix style game once. Matrix does bullet time.
Russia: Hold my beer....
*gets into a T-34*
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No.413327
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No.413748
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>>413327
notStalingard with the PCs as a misfit band of Ruskies trying to hold the line
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No.414524
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>>413748
Okay, I got kvass, mead and rye now i need some drinking music. Rusky my fusky up.
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No.416827
>>323041
>LOL you don't know yugoslavs very well. They always end up dragging the rest of the world into their shit because they are always up to something and they are always managing to create catastrophic diplomatic incidences.
Yeah, fuck off.
>random fanatic
A young man assassinated a heir-to-the-throne of an empire that occupied his nation.* If he was a westerner, he'd be a hero and you'd be making fucking movies about him.
*A nation that was jealous of colonialism of other european "civilized" nations, and was just itching to find a cause to declare war on and conquer serbia.
>the slavs predictably declare war on each other for the umpteenth time
What fucking wars? What wars have balkan nations waged against each other other than WWI, WWII and Yugoslav war?
And how about saying WHY are balkan nations so set against each other, or rather, WHO set them against each other?
You're just spouting meme shit like you have any idea.
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No.416879
>>416827
>2 years later
Back to Yugoslavia
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