/tf2/ - Team Fortress 2

>>2912

But other classes can function without a medic, a medic needs another class to be relevant. Unless they do the uber chain, in which case everyone shakes their head sadly at them being autistic and calls the pyro to blast them off of something.

>>2919

Good blutsauger medics can hold their own easily.

>>2935

Where by "hold their own" you mean survive until an enemy player stops killing their teammates who they should have been healing and notices the health drain.

Or yeah, a good blutsauger medic can hold their own against new f2ps, big deal?

I spend most of what little time I spend as sniper throwing piss at noobs and following it up with the bleed melee just because they're too shit to stop me.

A good scout can hold their own easily with the sandman vs noobs

>>2938

Well aren't you a pessimistic one.

All I'm saying is that if you're left alone as a medic you can survive a pretty long time with a blutsauger if you know how to use it.

>>2895

actually I main medic but whatever man

Just airblast his shit.

He'll fucking blow himself up.

>>2927

Many pub engineers prioritize their sentry too much. Well-placed dispenser and teleporter will help a decent team more in most situations than even a level 3 sentry gun.

>>2789

FIrst off: Nice hat.

There's a time and place for every medi-gun. I personally use stock for attack and quickfix for defense. I think kritz is best for things like koth. whilst vacc can be good in several cases but is more about keeping the medic alive in the frontlines and making sure that everyone is healed rather than having über pushes/defenses.

So it depends on map, team, and playstyle. This is just how I use them and I suggest that you try every medigun and playstyle for yourself.

>>2790

Please use the kritz instead of any other medigun.

Please don't use it one the Heavy unless right in the middle of a fight. Please use it on your friendly demo, soldier, or pyro. If they suck, use a normal uber on them instead if they're taking down a nest.

Everyone constantly bitches about how overrated the kritz is, and yeah, you have to have timing, but the point is that the heavy is often a poor choice for a kritz uber. Hell, sometimes a scout can be more effective. It's all about taking down high priority targets and sentries quick, whether pushing or defending.

Quick Fix is good if you're actually a team-healer, vaccinator is…okay, and interesting for the medic, but even when you're paying attention it's still not a miracle.

>>2916

Kek, fucking soldier/demo main.

>>2917

Pyro actually. I can do more damage with the kritz than a heavy if the medic will just actually follow me into the thick of things prepared to die in the pursuit of maximum fuck.

QF has a few practical uses against good teams. Vacc is a gimmick, a very fun gimmick, but a gimmick nonetheless.

>>2854

It works with extreme efficiency if your enemy is just sitting there like a dumbass not killing your shit while you take extra time to airblast and switch. If you're fighting a post, you could make an even simpler script to just flame for the same duration and it would do more damage.

>>2869

Dank rebuttal, cool facts.

>>2877

In 2012, this was true, but airblast was reworked so that it stops all momentum. There are only two ways to avoid a puff+sting script: scout's double jump or demo's shield charge. Otherwise, you cannot strafe out of the airblast, and must wait until you hit the ground or get damaged to control your own movement.

Bad phlog players are puss easy to kill. S+M1 he can't kill you in time.

Good phlog players who taunt around corners and use flares to build damage are countered by communication. If you take a lot of afterburn damage from a Pyro you need to warn your teammates.

>>2881

Look it up.

>>2885

Really? I stop playing much for a few years and they do something dumb like that? Why, were noob pyros crying about still getting killed by charging demos or something?

>>2893

The good thing about phlog pyros is even the "good" ones never look up or down, so you can often kill them as a pyro without even engaging in any strafing.

I'm just rustled because they make my class look bad.

+ koth_trainsawlaser

Fun is okay.

>>2882

Well, someone's gotta deliver your mom's dildos, right?

>>2863

Have no fear

The only thing I'd ever change to mini-sentries is to

REMOVE THE FUCKING KNOCKBACK HOLY SHIT.

>>2835

Isn't it a pain in the ass to sit still for 6 seconds to destroy it with flares? And the tiny hitbox is a problem for people with shotguns or pistols. People say

"Scout just outranges it with pistol" but the mini's so tiny most of the bullets miss, even if you stand still with your crosshair centered on them.

As for running into enemy lines to kill the gunslinger weilder, competent engineers stay within range

of their minis, it's easy to move the sentry with them. If they have decent DM skill, then they are basically a 150 HP shotgun+pistol with a small aimbot that deals 48 DPS, noticeable knockback, and significant jitter. That hard counters scouts, pyros, and in open areas heavies too. It even contests soldiers, who need two rockets for the Engineer, two for the mini, and he loses at least 100 hp from the mini alone. That's an awful lot for an extremely low skill floor playstyle. Normal engineers have aimbot area denial, but they must have wise positioning and nest maintenance. Gunslinger sucks the strategy out of the class.

Snipers are at least skill indexed. As they get better at clicking heads, you ought to get better at dodging. Sniping's only really easy against bad players. Good players will change heights, directions, speeds frequently, and not have an obvious goal in mind. I can trick a skilled sniper, but the gibusvision with a gunslinger is stealing at least 50 HP with his retardedly placed mini no matter what I do.

>>2838

They probably should, I mean it's mini, why does it still have more force than a gun?

>>2839

>sit still

Clearly you have the luxury of playing a less expendable class than Pyro. If I see a mini-sentry up ahead I try to kill the engi with flares while dancing around to avoid fire and spies, if I succeed then I spycheck around me and fight anyone from the other team who comes along while tossing a flare at the mini sentry now and then if I'm not at terrible health or against a soldier. Most of the reason I use the flare isn't for crits, it's just the only way to give pyro anything approaching long-range weaponry. The accuracy is decent, though fairly shit for a single projectile and hobbled by having to judge the arc. Sometimes someone comes along with a black box not knowing how to use it and just makes the mini sentry that much easier to kill.

If that doesn't work I just wait for a soldier or demo from my team, or if there are none or they're all otherwise engaged or can't do basic stuff I just go soldier or demo myself. My default soldier loadout includes the Direct Hit and it doesn't really matter what else, because I usually go soldier to roflstomp other soldiers, fuck around with snipers in new and exciting ways, and most of all break down engi nests enough in one life that I can respawn before they recover from the damage and keep beating them down. I love it when a medic sees I'm going after a nest and gives me a kritz, if I'm doing well enough to consistently land rockets on moving enemies too it makes for a very rewarding wipe.

The great thing about engi in general is that they're vulnerable during transport/setup. Sure, the mini's so cheap that, especially with the FJ they may just decide to break the old one down and pop a new one, but that's still time with their pad out, and that's time to burninate. A mini's set up time is still enough for me to burn it down, and the engi is close at least at first, so I can set them ablaze at least. From there it's a flare or two to a kiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2840

About your point that the engi is vulnerable when rebuilding; that engineer can plop it down without hindering movement and then switch to his shotgun. If you stand still to burn/destroy the mini he ought to kill you, if he's not terrible.

Minis are somewhat stationary, but there's no reason for the engineer not to move locations frequently. Assuming it's always in the same place is not practical.

I find it odd that all your arguments pro minisentry suggest that I must change class to direct hit soldier or stay out of its range entirely, yet argue that you should not have to do anything about snipers, such as avoid their sight lines. No, instead a class that's entirely skill based and has glaring weaknesses should be completely redone to make the game easier for you.

All I want is minis to turn slower (regular sentry turn speed) and have 90 HP. How do you think valve should fix snipers?

>>2853

Bodyshots do 0 damage, OR anything that isn't a headshot instakills the sniper.

Then it would just be people with skill and people with aimbots, so they should scrap that and remove the class altogether.

>>2845

Wanna watch? ;)

>>2851

slinboner 2.0

>>1116

Another pyro can always be useful to the team. Unless there's no engi or demo.

>>1135

I do love it when you bring out your smuggery spade.

Jump for me again, soldier. Pull a trick, see what happens.

>>2826

Why do pyro mains always come across as bitter assholes?

Anyway, what play style are you saying you use and find most effective? Or do you use all pyro playstyles to be a combat/support hybrid?

>>2831

Years of getting shat on and called OP while fighting splash and acting as backup backup medic. No, actually pyro is just a high-risk and confrontational class so there's always someone farming you or raging at you, even with burn damage as primary and all of those posthumous kills it can still be eggshell thin between wiping half a team and dying over and over for 2 assists. Pyro players are generally unbearable cheesing faggots, perpetually angry people who can't be satisfied by mere rocket spam, they want to taste their enemies' flesh crackling, or smug as fuck team players who just really love talking smack and raising salt. Especially when they kill the sniper or cap the point while the more suited team members are off carefully nurturing their killstreak. So whether they take themselves and the game super seriously or not, they will always be either super friendly or talking shit or both at the same time to different people. If they aren't arguing with someone in chat or telling you what's up ahead on voice, they're either a noob pyro or the killfeed should be lighting up with a nice streak in a few secs.

Fun Fact: Pyros are so expendable that they are the only class out there to have (last I checked) no item to upgrade their health.

I could never take the concept of competitive TF2 seriously. Random crits are one of the funniest parts of the game even though they always seem to be in the form of Heavies directing fire at me, so I play pubs. Whenever I go to Skial or ElitePowered or any of those other common fast clan pubservers, it's either one team has some group of friends with their clan tag in their name all on one team working one particular map with an engie setup or something, or the kind of noobs who will quite literally sometimes allow me to stand on top of the cart and taunt the entire way to the next point.

As you can probably tell, I prefer cart. This is because it's faster. Sentry nests get broken up as a matter of course, and if not I can go demo and have some backup while I break them.

Like I said, pro TF2 doesn't make sense Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>2832

On defense, my mission is usually simple: be as much of a prick as possible to BLU. Like I said before, I use the degreaser, but I only use the flare gun as a backup if something faster than me is getting away or I'm out of range when they see me. Mostly I use it so I won't get shot down while switching weapons, but also because I have to burn people a little longer before they die, which gives them slightly more time to react and surprise me with a good move. I barely ever use melee, but I generally keep the Homewrecker equipped. If I'm around when a spy starts some fuckery, I give everything a quick puff, put my back to a wall if possible, and get the sapper off the sentry first, then try for the rest and/or killing any exposed/suspected spy. If the spies are really getting an engi or if my team's not halting the advance despite me driving back enemies*, farming medics, breaking the line…I'll fall back to an engi getting heat and reflect projectiles, routinely spy-check, hunt down or at least drive back sticky spamming demos, etc. Soldiers and demos usually don't expect a pyro to leave the sentry roost once they've started airblasting for some reason, it makes for a good surprise.

Also I block points a lot with little time on the clock because most players seem to either not know you can do that or just be worried about their KtD or hitting the top of the scoreboard or whatever. What's the point of a quick respawn function if you're going to play "realistically" like you're afraid to die?

*Yes, most players will run away under a quarter health, all the way back to spawn or maybe meeting a medic, and waste ALL THAT TIME, for their utterly pointless KtD ratio rather than just turning on the hurt and taking me down with them to save the rest of their team. No one gets the point of this game, or at least cart.

>>2833

Oh yeah and when you're telling me I'm "hacking" because I'm making jerky movements and always catching the spy, it's actually because I'm playing on a touchpad on mute at a McDonalds or something, because pyros just don't give a fuck and if I have less awareness of my surroundings, I will only spycheck that much more and make extra stops for ammo.