No.4946 [Last50 Posts]
Post Nu-lore you kind of like
>Random Medic Clone Trooper from the TV show
>one of the major arcs had an ARC Trooper discover Order 66
>ARC Trooper tells him about it but dies shortly after
>Medic Trooper starts digging into it and discovers Order 66 aswell
>Dooku finds out and orders his kidnapping and interrogation
>He is captured and put into cyro statis
>The CIS ship that had him gets attacked and crash lands
>The clone trooper is discovered 50 years later and is the last Jango Fett Clone alive.
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No.4947
>>4946
>A clone living for 50 years
Gay.
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No.4949
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No.4951
>Clones not knowin about Order 66
Does this even make sense? I thought the idea was that they all knew about it and therefore it was so effective when Sheev ordered it.
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No.4955
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>>4946
>>4951
>anything of the Disney take on Order 66
NO.
None of that is acceptable. I can buy it done as a reflex trained into them, I can buy their fast response as anger in response to betrayal. But they were always aware of the possibility that they would need to kill their Jedi generals. They lived with it, and it spoke to their character whether they obeyed the Order or not. That the Jedi weren't aware simply tells us that none thought to ask. None of this mind control crap and being utterly clueless about what they were going to do.
On-topic, I like the idea of some thing out in the Unknown Regions trying to call together a new Sith Empire. Feels vaguely Lovecraftian. Otherwise I'd rather see Wendig slammed into a table until he swears to never write Star Wars again.
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No.4956
I haven't been keeping up with anything post the Disney takeover, but what little I have heard and seen posted, I have hated.
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No.4958
The cassino planet is a good change of pace after all the boring deserts, forest and snowy forest from TFA.
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No.4959
>>4951
Its a long and dumb plot change where all clones had chips in their brains to perform the orders one of them malfunctioned and it resulted in some clones finding out about it
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No.4962
Out of all the post-Disney shit I've been torturing myself with lately, the ones that have most twisted my knickers are those shitty Marvel comics concerning pic-related and the Wendig novels. Holy fuck this bitch really drives me daffy. Doctor Aphra just pisses me off to no end. Initially it was bad in terms of writing and the reddit-tier humor with her being obnoxiously sassy around Vader while having "le evil" versions of C3PO and R2D2 tag along. It never got better as it went on, only made worse by the fact that at first it was moderately tumblr, what with the "stronk female minority heroine being cool at every thing lololol" but then it just got progressively more in your face about it, especially after she turned out to be some "fluidsexual/whateverthefuck" turbo feminist icon. Hell she almost makes Rey look better if not for the fact that she is pretty much a non-force sensitive version of Rey and the Rogue One bitch put together. There is literally nothing this bitch can't do except be a fucking jedi. And it only gets worse by the fact that she's being mentioned everywhere and being added in a decent amount of merch and vidya. Not even during the EU did a newfag character with little to no connection with anyone outside the main cast get this much fucking glory. Its like she was first designed in a Disney/Marvel executives room to decide what kind of character the new feminist nerds of Star Wars would want. Holy crap, there were so many other better ideas that could've been done. It could've been done so much better, or even use a barely explored character from the old canon and make them something worthwhile. Holy fuck, only thing worse is how everything in the nu-EU has to revolve around the OT and the main cast from the original films. There's no fucking depth in any of this. What in the 'bloody hell that is the Queen Elizabeth's rancid 100 year old snatch' made them think this shit was a remotely good idea? And fuck whoever made the alternative cover for that first issue of Marvel's new star wars comics.
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No.4970
The Disney shit with Order 66 is some of the faggiest shit on the planet and is done because they can't stand having almost all of the clone characters have the moral ambiguity of being perfectly willing to open fire on the Jedi or the Chancellor himself if given the order.
Also
>have the ability to insert perfectly loyalty brainwashing chips
>never use it after the clone wars
banking clanney lore makes everyone a fucking idiot.
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No.4971
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No.4975
>>4970
the inhibitor chips were done by lucas/filioni in Clone Wars tv show
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No.4976
>>4955
>something in the Unknown regions calling for the Sith to reform.
>Lovecraftian
That sounds too good for Disney to do. Shame that would be awesome though.
>>4975
Still a dumb decision.
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No.4980
>>4971
What, you didn't snicker?
>>4975
I thought the Order 66 "intrigue" happened after Disney took over.
>>4976
Kennedy/Rian wants to whine about tradition being bad? Well, you can't get much worse than the incarnation of untrammeled ambition and desire for dominance born of millennia. The Sith species may have died out long ago, but their ghosts and impact on the Force is far-reaching. In this scheme, something like Snoke is merely an acolyte or mouthpiece.
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No.4981
>>4976
>>4980
The chips were done so kids would not feel bad for liking Clone Troopers
The effectively made it so clones dindu nuffin
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No.4988
>>4962
>There is literally nothing this bitch can't do except be a fucking jedi.
Didn't she wield a lightsaber once too?
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No.4989
>>4975
>implying Disney wasn't already in talks with Lucas by then
>implying Lucas wasn't just a puppet for Kennedy and Spielberg even then and this wasn't his idea
Lucas has been an even bigger disney rat since 2006.
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No.4995
>>4989
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2006 seems like a random year. What gives? Also, learn grammar.
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No.4998
>>4995
>Also, learn grammar.
no make me
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No.4999
>>4998
I could have sworn there was a planet of cavemen somewhere in the EU. Perhaps you're from there.
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No.5006
I like most of the nu-Sith lore fleshed out in the Vader comics and some of the new novels. Tarkin and Lords of the Sith in particular here, because I feel like the authors are taking advantage of the reboot to give Sheev a more coherent motive hidden under his plot device robes.
It's not that One True Lore! Palpatine was bad or anything, but with G-canon updating the lore as time went one, inconsistencies stood out between depictions created for different points in the continuity when there was more or less official background information. He could have been a vulgar Machiavellian, a true believing Dark Side cultist, dispensing with Sith orthodoxy if it served his aim of eternal power, or secretly trying to use a very cynical view of necessity to save the Galaxy from alien invaders. Canon! Sheev doesn't have that problem (yet) and can be layered and cohesive. He's currently portrayed as glad to create the Empire out of obligation to the Sith Order but disinterested in being King Shit for its own joy. The Empire is merely a civilization-spanning tool, a means to a new end of transcending even his master Plagueis' immortality achievements. The relationship between him and Darth Vader is also more sincere and philosophical as a complicated friendship and twisted teacher and student dynamic rather than Frank immediately disregarding cyborg Anakin after Mustafar and already planning his replacement. He's even willing to accept the possibility that the Dark Side might "choose" Vader over him when the time comes to fulfill his visionary experiment with the Force contrasting with One True Lore! Palpatine who expected to be an exceptional snowflake and never get bested by an apprentice.
Meanwhile, writers have done a respectable job of reversing the pussification of Darth Vader. I'd actually argue they went a bit too far in some regards with Vader pulling off aerials and upside down spin slashes despite being encased in his support suit. At least he isn't being bitched around as much for the benefit of some contracted artist's special and beautiful OC excepting one situation where Vader is completely fresh in his cybernetics and still a Sith novice.
What I don't like, though, is how they're wasting the Sith civilization lore that made the pre-movie EU so engrossing for me. It seems like they're just starting Sith history as a rogue faction of Jedi who incited a civil war only 1,000-years or so before the Clone Wars.
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No.5010
>>5006
>Sith history
Thankfully, anon, you are mistaken about when the Dis-Sith were founded:
>At least 6,000 years before the Clone Wars[12] after the Hundred-Year Darkness[14]
But they are indeed squandering it.
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No.5016
>>5006
>What I don't like, though, is how they're wasting the Sith civilization lore that made the pre-movie EU so engrossing for me. It seems like they're just starting Sith history as a rogue faction of Jedi who incited a civil war only 1,000-years or so before the Clone Wars.
As much as I dislike this as well, I'm pretty sure Disney isn't doing that as much as you're thinking of what Lucas originally intended to be the origin story for the Sith.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Ruin
Says more in the "Behind the scenes" section.
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No.5033
I enjoyed the Thrawn book and I'm curious about Luceno's Tarkin book but neither of those really count as hardline disneyshit because they're both written by EU authors. I'd never pick up a Wendig book.
I liked that Rebels/Rogue One used different squadron markings on starfighters but that was common enough in EU comics so it's only new for film and TV.
I also liked that they chose to show the morally dubious side of the rebellion in Saw Gerrera's terrorists, but even that's very hamfisted and it's only used to make the other rebel groups look nicer.
The shoretroopers and tank drivers look all right. It's hard to mess up stormtrooper variants though.
Everything else about the new canon has either been a noticeable downgrade or pure shit tbh.
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No.5054
>>4962
Dash Rendar got some good shilling
Rei can't fly a ship yet
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No.5056
>>5010
Yes, I didn't bother to check wookiepedia. Sorry.
>>5016
What I think is that they're using Lucas' idea to write the history for nu-Sith, which is part of a bigger problem I've had ever since the reboot. They sometimes point to "Lucas' intentions" for why they go the other way from the EU/One True Lore but have no problem flippantly disregarding that same vision whenever they feel more like pursuing their own ideas. Dave Filoni refused to acknowledge the existence of Sith spirits in Rebels because he was sure that Lucas never wanted Sith having an afterlife as established in older EU sources. I wonder how Lucas would have felt about flight by lightsaber.
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No.5063
>>5033
Yea a lot of new trooper designs are cool but like you said a fucking 12 year old could make cool stormtrooper designs it's not hard.
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No.5275
I don't like how Sith lightsabers are made by "bleeding" the lightsaber crystal of a jedi. It makes them reliant on the jedi rather than the sith manipulating nature to their whims which fits them better as artificially creating red lightsaber crystals.
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No.5325
>>5275
So how exactly does this bleeding thing work with Mace Windu's lightsaber? Is it just a halfway point between blue and red… can there be yellow ones if the same thing is done to a green crystal?
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No.5381
I liked A New Dawn, the Tarkin novel and The Rise of the Empire… That's about it. Only decent things from this shitty nu-EU yet both have lower ratings than Wendig's garbage.
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No.5383
>>4946
>Clone Wars
>nu-lore
>implying disney could ever make something that good
neck yourself
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No.5384
>>5381
Figures those would be the only good ones since both were done by EU veterans. The Tarkin novel felt like something straight out of the old EU. Thank you Mr. Luceno.
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No.5390
>>5033
> It's hard to mess up stormtrooper variants though.
I agree. The only issue is that they're part of a Disney product so everything that made them badass is downplayed. The Death Troopers for example were a great idea on paper but once they applied the Disney filter they turned out to be the same as the random trooper who died or exploded because he missed the last step in the staircase (see their appearance on SW Rebels).
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No.7435
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Well. This is a little more interesting. Actually showing what the Empire does.
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No.7439
>>7435
I thought they left Lothal.
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No.7443
>>4958
…And whatever goodwill they gained from that is immediately dashed upon the rocks as they hamfistedly worm "muh privilege" politics into it.
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No.7444
>>7439
A friend brought these up as a "sort of" recanonization of the World Devastators, when I asked about Rebels' merits.
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No.7446
>>7444
>Da EU is complete and utter shiet!!
<when I asked about the merits of Disney's new starwars canon
>look see how great it is that we're using things from the EU!?
What did they mean by this?
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No.7448
>>7446
It came up in conversation. To be fair, he's certainly no Rebels die-hard, and the talk has since turned toward both cool and doofy things in the Old EU.
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No.7450
I like the Operation Cinder stuff from the new battlefront game. If you don’t wanna with the cutscenes on YouTube like me, basically Sheev’s contingency in the event of his death was to order the remaining army and naval forces to glass as many planets as possible. The fact that it’s such a petty dickhead thing is what I love about it. “I can’t live so nobody can fuck all y’all” is perfect. Classic Sheev.
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No.7451
>>7450
It's not exactly that vulgar. Operation Cinder doesn't apply to any random planet but rather anywhere that had a certain personal connection to him or was the site of where he was stashing away Sith crap. It was conveyed as an act of punishment against the Galaxy from beyond the grave, but unbeknownst to either the Imperials or the New Republic he was covering the Sith Order's tracks by burning the evidence.
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No.7453
>>7444
Except its called the Ore crawler which doesn't sound nearly as imposing.
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No.7454
>>7451
Ah, thanks for the clarification. Haven’t read the Inferno Squad book and refused to buy the game, so there’s only so much I can glean from YouTube shit. Still, it’s fitting to his character. Scorched earth to remove evidence seems, again, quintessentially Sheev.
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No.7459
I’m guessing I’m the only person who actually likes the nu-Inquisition’s retarded double-bladed spinning lightsabers, aren’t I? I don’t even mind the ridiculous lightsaber helicopter bullshit, though admittedly I’ve got a liking for weird and unusual lightsaber variants in general.
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No.7463
>>7459
I liked it at first when I thought it was the Grand Inquisitor's signature saber, but then everyone was shown to have one exactly like it. After that, the new Inquisitors proved to be incredibly dull, and the usage of their lightsabers was just as dull, which made me lose interest after that. Initially I was hyped and was even considering watching Rebels regularly, but then it began to dip after realizing that it was nowhere near Clone Wars in terms of quality or budget, and then things started to get duller when they started bringing in the biggest imperial figures in the galaxy to take down one small group of worthless rebels who could barely influence one city on some backwater planet that was basically not-Alderaan.
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No.7465
>>7463
Also Sabine a shit.
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No.7471
>>4946
>a clone who is mentally conditioned to not disobey orders and is programmed to react to a set of numbered directives discovers the nature of one of the directives and apparently this is a problem
>implying the clone, who was genetically altered to age three times as fast and has been trained from birth to be a war machine, would even have the critical thinking skills or emotional competence to care about it
>implying be able to break his conditioning long enough to cause any trouble for dooku or interrupt palpatine's plans
this is retarded
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No.7472
>>7463
>I liked it at first when I thought it was the Grand Inquisitor's signature saber, but then everyone was shown to have one exactly like it. After that, the new Inquisitors proved to be incredibly dull, and the usage of their lightsabers was just as dull, which made me lose interest after that.
True, the nu-Inquisition in general is a massive case of wasted potential. The initial behind the scenes videos painted them as an order of Force users whom Vader and Palpatine were deliberately keeping weak in the Force in order to avoid any of them becoming a threat, and who were instead taught to rely on technological gadgets and gimmicks to make up for their shortcomings. Then we saw more of them, and aside from Seventh Sister occasionally using probe droids for things, it was just the Grand Inquisitor all over again, as you said.
>>7465
>Also Sabine a shit.
Agreed. I hung in there until close to the end of season 3, but it was ultimately the Mando-related plots that drove me away, because it meant that Sabine was being placed front and center and I couldn’t ignore her anymore.
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No.7473
>>7459
>I don’t even mind the ridiculous lightsaber helicopter bullshit
I'm sorry to hear about your disability
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No.7476
>>4962
This shit was horrible. The only decent marvel comic so far has been the poe dameron one
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No.7531
>>7476
I don't even like Poe but honestly, his comic deserves more attention and shilling than this fucking Aphra shit. All I ever see on SW fansites is how much they cream their pants over Aphra and want her to be in the movies.
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No.7532
>>7472
Honestly, when I initially saw the Seventh Sister, I thought she was going to be Baris. What a let down.
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No.7587
>>7476
>>7531
cullen bunn's maul comic was pretty decent.
>>4946
probably the only things i like about nu lore is.. kylo ren's crossguard saber. the idea of using a damaged crystal and having side vents that result in a classical sword formation giving him the fallen knight look is pretty neat imo. what i fucking absolutely hate is the forced tie-ins of other crossguard sabers and turning an interesting concept into a fashion statement.
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No.7621
>>7587
The whole cracked crystal could serve as a metaphor for his character personality as well.
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No.7626
>>7451
>or was the site of where he was stashing away Sith crap.
That seems pretty retarded honestly. His ultimate fuck you to the galaxy is destroying the Sith's own artifacts and knowledge that could be used by future Sith/rogue Jedi. That seems way more like something Sheev would do instead of throwing an intergalatic hissy fit.
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No.7627
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No.7639
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No.7646
>>7639
The only correct answer.
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No.7648
>>4981
Either way I cried like a bitch when Fives died.
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No.7652
>>7648
>no one ever talks about 99
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No.7653
>>4981
Still dumb tbh. A clone's duty should be to follow orders. It could just be explained that Order 66 was in case the Jedi betrayed the Republic and the Clones willingly acted on it because they themselves felt betrayed. With only a few disobeying because they believed the order was an error or misunderstanding, or because they believed their commander wasn't part of the Council's corruption. Even a few books did this sort of thing.
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No.7654
>>4951
It would make sense even without the chips retcon if only certain higher officers knew it was a plan, but the clones were so conditioned to following legit orders they just follow it.
>>4962
>Not even during the EU did a newfag character with little to no connection with anyone outside the main cast get this much fucking glory.
Dash did, but he was part of a big multi-media project.
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No.7658
>>7653
>Still dumb tbh.
It's not though
>A clone's duty should be to follow orders.
And that's still what they are doing. The entire thing was orchestrated to send the Jedi/Republic and/or anyone else from finding out what was going ie five's/99 ect. were cointel. they did know about order 66 (and all other orders) this was just to sidetrack the Jedi and any Republic Officials from finding out about it because they were already just months away from 'winning the war' anyway this isn't to say that there wasn't a chip that the kaminoans were making they probably were since they were designing weapons long before the war even started
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No.7665
>>7459
I didn't mind it so much as not seeing much of a point to them. The idea that they have miniaturized repulsorlifts to enable flight that Filoni yanked straight out of his hairy ass for damage control over the helicopter spinning just makes me wonder why that idea made it into an episode. If that had been explained and used much earlier in the series and broken down in deceptively plausible way it wouldn't have looked so stupid, but they waited until the last episode with inquisitors to have them Yoshitmitsu around.
>>7626
I can only speculate on a justification, but I won't bother since I doubt anyone working under the SW license is going to bother to justify it in the foreseeable future. Star Wars might sink completely before that happens.
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No.7669
>>7665
>I didn't mind it so much as not seeing much of a point to them.
I suspect it’s something that was imposed by a higher-up at either the Disney Channel or Lucasfilm, rather than something chosen by the people making the show. It came across to me as a blatant attempt at lightening the mood and injecting a little levity into a season finale that was otherwise much darker and more of a downer than the channel’s usual fare.
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No.7671
>>7626
>>7665
clearly he tried to hide all evidence of existance of sith order so another sith could play long game to rule the galaxy
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No.7703
>>7671
Yea but *what* other Sith? There were almost 0 left besides Palpatine and whoever he found and trained. If he scorches all the Sith material whose to say potential Sith would never ended up learning about the Sith traditions etc.
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No.7740
>>7450
>he likes nu world devastators
>glassing the planets that were loyal to the empire is the best he could come up with
>this is classical sheev
fuck no, this isn't sheev at all.
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No.7741
>>7639
>>7646
palpatine's first name is not disney lore. it was given by george himself.
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No.7764
>>7669
>lightening the mood
>during the Dark Times
>during the Empire
Fuck this shit, Rebels should have been nearly pitch black compared to Clone Wars. It should've also been set across the Galaxy, not stuck on Lothal.
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No.7786
>>7764
I'm surprised they didn't go for a darker version of Avatar the Last Airbender with this show. Even Atla could get pretty dark at times.
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No.7813
>>7703
Again, it's really only something I can speculate about. Perhaps he was expecting the origins of the Dark Side to also lead to a Sith homeland somewhere in the unknown regions before Super Saiyan Snoke came along.
>>7740
Did Palpatine ever care about the Empire as an institution in and of itself or was it always some means to another end to be warped or discarded as he saw fit?
>>7764
>>7786
Usually this gets eye rolls from /co/ types who think darkness in cartoons is for edgelord manchildren trying to make works more overtly mature than works. I don't think anybody was expecting Rebels to try to be Game of Thrones so much as Batman the Animated Series (1994). That's the kind of "dark" that enables older fans to enjoy it while giving younger ones a safe exposure to what might be called maturity to the point they're even more enthused about it than the adult demographic.
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No.7821
>>7813
Bingo. The world's dark and dingy, but there's a potent ray of hope in there.
>Empire
Well, he was quite proud to have made it, and for the Sith to rule the Galaxy.
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No.7851
>>4946
I haven't read into this, just kinda came across it on the Wiki one day.
Apparently, at some point, Luke, Leia and Han took control of some alien hive, where Han proclaimed the "Kingdom of Han". I kinda like that, and it feels like a Han thing to do.
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No.7860
>>7813
>Did Palpatine ever care about the Empire as an institution in and of itself or was it always some means to another end to be warped or discarded as he saw fit?
the empire was his goal to conquering the galaxy. without the empire he wouldn't have achieved his goal. so while it was a tool for him, he gave some amount of fucks about running it properly.
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No.7864
>>7860
He conquered the galaxy with a rather specific end in mind, not just conquering so he can say he conquered. I'd imagine he cared at least somewhat about the apparatus he used to do so.
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No.7885
>>7786
…holy shit, I want this now
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No.7888
>>4955
>None of that is acceptable. I can buy it done as a reflex trained into them, I can buy their fast response as anger in response to betrayal. But they were always aware of the possibility that they would need to kill their Jedi generals. They lived with it, and it spoke to their character whether they obeyed the Order or not. That the Jedi weren't aware simply tells us that none thought to ask. None of this mind control crap and being utterly clueless about what they were going to do.
Honestly, all of what you just described sounds completely fucking retarded and doesn't work at all if the clones are written as anything other than unfeeling machines that just do their job. As The Clone Wars TV series royally fucked that possibility in the ass and threw it in the trash, mind-control chips were really the only way to bring about Order 66 in a justifiable manner instead of 50% or more of the clones getting suspicious about Palpatine's motives, questioning the orders or outright telling Sheev to go fuck himself and warning the Jedi instead. Not to mention it made for much better storylines in the end with post-Republic clone PTSD and secret conspiracies.
Also, the mind-control chip idea were in place before the Disney take over as I recall.
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No.7890
I don't feel like making another thread for this so;
FIX BROKEN LORE
I'll start.
>Qui-Gon was simplifying midichlorians for Anikin while trying to teach him about the nature of the force
>midichlorians are not the force it's self, merely a system of measurement made by jedi scientists to judge the measurable strength of the force in someone
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No.7892
>>7890
…Did you forget the existence of >>1089 , you fucking sperg?
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No.7893
>>7892
Sounds different to me faggot.
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No.7895
>>4955
People who want "muh clones are unfeeling machines who will do anything" is retarded they are nothing more than bio droids who are more expensive
Palpatine wasnt dying with them in back water planets on the other side of the galaxy. Palpatine didnt even know what their names were. Anti-Troopers were a retarded idea the entire fucking 501st should have defected after having to kill their own brothers and home.
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No.7899
>>7890
>made by jedi scientists
Not 'jedi' scientists, most likely just scientists within the Republic itself.
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No.7920
>>7890
>midichlorians are not the force it's self, merely a system of measurement made by jedi scientists to judge the measurable strength of the force in someone
I had assumed this was always what it was.
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No.7921
>>7895
>>7888
What, is "just following orders" really so hard to believe? It happens in the real world plenty without being bred since birth for it.
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No.7933
>>7899
Could be, but I like Jedi scientists because it implies not all jedi are meditating hippies or lightsaber hunks, there are jedi doing research and likely even some who specialize in technology. Still Republic scientists aren't out of the question as surely they'd want to quantify the force as it's such a powerful threat.
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No.7935
>>7921
Since before the chips you still had clones defecting commandos even thought it was a CIS trick. Also the fact one clone is shown getting the message and then every other clone knows what to do
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No.7955
>>7935
That's because they're all taught about it, which is why it's called a General Order. Note also that it was only leaders who got the message. Their troops then obeyed them.
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No.7958
>>7920
Same here. I recall there was even a story that said that midochlorians are more like what connect the force to the physical to allow manipulation of their surroundings and the number of midos increases based on the user's potential and their overall willingness to learn, or something like that. That was years ago though so correct me if I'm wrong.
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No.7967
>post yfw the Diversity Alliance is an antagonist faction in the EU
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No.7971
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No.7983
>>7958
>"Without the midi-chlorians, life could not exist, and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force. When you learn to quiet your mind, you’ll hear them speaking to you."
>"I don't understand."
>"With time and training, Annie, you will. You will."
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No.8219
>clone rights movement when
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No.8220
The one change I prefer is that Vader in nu-canon is a badass 2nd best Sith of all time, as opposed to Lucas saying he was a flunky.
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No.8221
>>8220
>2nd best Sith of all time
I guess when you retcon the Old Republic era it's pretty easy to be on the top of the Sith charts even if you are an extreme burn victim being kept alive by machinery. Don't get me wrong, love me a Sith cyborg but Darth Vader doesn't strike me as much of a warrior, mind you even a "flunky" Sith is still a terrifying thing to the Galaxy and that shouldn't be downplayed. At the hight of the Galactic Empire Vader was supreme bad ass of the galaxy no doubt, but ancient Sith did things that would make Vader soil his drawers (if his dick hadn't been burned off).
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No.8222
>>8221
Darth Vader is the best and most iconic character in Star Wars. It’s just lazy to make a character and try to coopt that by giving him better feats.
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No.8223
>>8222
>Every Sith is a copycat of Darth Vader
My friend, you don't even understand what the Sith are. I won't argue Vader is iconic, and I'm a big fan, but the whole point of both Vader and Obi-wan in the original film was that they represented a weak, old, and dying religion that had been worn to tatters from it's once powerful origins.
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No.8224
>>8223
Almost all the sith are copies of Palpatine or Vader, except Nihilus.
>tattered old remnants
Obi Wan credited the destruction of the Jedi Order to Darth Vader in ANH. Darth Vader himself said he was more powerful than the last time they fought. I don’t buy into this whole, “they were just tattered remnants” shit at all. It diminishes Luke’s challenges in facing Vader and it’s the flip side of why the new trilogy is so awful.
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No.8226
>>8224
>I've only played KOTOR
Okay. So you only know about Sith from Bioware who are basically massive hacks. Like I said, you don't even understand what the Sith are. Also you clearly weren't paying attention to the games because they state that there were even more ancient and powerful Sith than Malak and Revan. Also sorry if you don't buy in to it, but the movie OUTRIGHT states that it's a weak dying religion. That Imperial that said it wasn't just doing so to be a cock, it's a line of dialogue written to establish what's being said to the audience. The force may still be strong, but there are like 3 fucking force users left in the galaxy, one of them is a burn victim, and all of them are old farts. I'm sorry you can't cum if Daddy Vader isn't the strongest coolest Sith ever, but it's established in the first movie that it wasn't the case.
>It diminishes Luke’s challenges in facing Vader
It doesn't diminish Luke's challenges. he's still an untrained Jedi facing one of the last Sith who was trained as a Jedi, not to mention Palatine. Perspective is a thing. Some dude stuck working all his life at a shit corporation long hours for little pay and no benefits so he'll never get to retire still has a hard life even if there are innocent random people being sold in to slavery and murdered.
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No.8227
>>8226
>Like I said, you don't even understand what the Sith are.
Palpatine is canonically the most powerful Sith of all according to Lucas and he is the exemplar Sith. It is stated the rule of two resulted in more powerful Sith than the splintering of Dark side usage. All that other crap is just wank by authors trying to make their shit relevant by increasing the power levels.
>but the movie OUTRIGHT states that it's a weak dying religion
It doesn’t say that. It says Vader is the only one left of the Jedi religion and they are all but extinct.
>I'm sorry you can't cum if Daddy Vader isn't the strongest coolest Sith ever, but it's established in the first movie that it wasn't the case
Wait, I thought Darth Vader was cooler than those Sith irrespective of his power level. You’re contradicting yourself and proving my point. But nobody says Vader is weak in ANH. Far from it. And the Sith were never mentioned. You’re just a sperg obsessed with obscure Sith from the shit parts of the EU and think it makes you some initiated Star Wars fan. That comic you posted is laughably bad. Some guys waves his hand and takes out star systems and you are throwing your panties at him? This is Marvel level wank.
>It doesn't diminish Luke's challenges. he's still an untrained Jedi facing one of the last Sith who was trained as a Jedi, not to mention Palatine.
It totally does. Because you’re eager to talk about how awesome these other shit stories are. Lucas stated Palpatine was the most powerful Sith, so having Sith perform insane feats above his is just wank.
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No.8228
>>8227
>That comic you posted is laughably bad.
Stopped reading here. Sorry you're so triggered. Enjoy your nu-canon mousefag.
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No.8229
>>8227
> insane feats above his is just wank.
i dont think that manipulating a very delicate system to make its suns destroy each other is comperable to summoning fleet eating warp storm on the other side of galaxy and becoming immortal by moving your soul into new bodies
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No.8240
>>8228
>being this triggered
>y-you m-mousefag
>>8229
>i dont think that manipulating a very delicate system to make its suns destroy each other
You do realize how much mass is involved with a star, right? This is marvel levels of wank.
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No.8982
>Rex Still Being Alive and Kicking Ass
>Luke seemingly having a darker side to himself, and having unique commentary about the Jedi and Sith and how it's all actual cancer to the Galaxy, and despite all that he still seemed like a badass. Although I just wish he didn't have to die
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No.8984
>>8982
>giphy.gif
>not Porkins Porking Pig Out.gif
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No.8989
>>8984
Does this satisfy you, anon?
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No.8995
>>8989
Very. Now mind sharing that Sheev alignment pic? Don't have that one in my arsenal yet.
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No.9015
>>8982
So Luke became like Kreia then?
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No.9037
>>8995
Right over here, friend:
>>6538
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No.9063
>>8224
>Almost all the sith are copies of Palpatine or Vader, except Nihilus.
Pretty much. Nihilus and Kreia are the only unique Force-wielding antagonists in the EU and Nihilus was basically a throwaway red herring Galactus expy while Kreia was the personification of "muh grey area" antagonists that moral relativists love so much. I'd also argue that Count Dooku was also kind of unique because he was primarily politically-motivated while the Sith thing was secondary.
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No.9064
>>9063
Caedus only became a Sith in order to prevent a future where he killed Luke IIRC.
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No.9069
>>9064
Caedus was a mistake in the first place. Jacen was basically just shat on by writers from Yuuzhan Vong saga onwards.
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No.9076
>>9069
That wasn't their fault though. The writers had very different plans for Jacen and Anakin Solo, but George stepped in and asked that Anakin be killed off, so his tales and prophecies all fizzled out and Jacen was forced to be put center stage with the Caedus shit. Even writers like Michael Stackpole were kinda heartbroken by George's decision and hoped that he would change his mind when being forced to rewrite shit.
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No.9077
>>9076
What was Lucas's motivation for that anyways? I've heard the claim that it was so that Anakin Skywalker and Anakin Solo wouldn't get confused, but that seems kind of stupid. If you're deep enough into EU lore to even know who Anakin Solo is, you're knowledgeable enough to know the difference between him and Skywalker. Lucas is a smart guy, certainly better than the prequel-bashers give him credit. But every so often he has a burst of 'tism that's just implacable. He also can't write dialogue for shit, it seems.
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No.9079
>>9077
Even if people would get confused, just establishing and always calling him by a nickname would have worked.
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No.9080
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No.9133
>>9080
okay but george definitely loved shadows of the empire and would have made it into a movie, i know there's a source somewhere on it.
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No.9136
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No.9140
>>9080
It's possible they were simply trying not to point fingers at Lucas since that's not exactly an appealing thing to do for a writer if he wants to keep getting hired in other lines of work.
>>9136
>>9133
They even had tons of games, comics and merch, yet they never got an animated film or a made for tv movie like Ewoks. Which is a shame since normalfags will scorn anything that's not on TV or the big screen.
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No.9143
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>9140
It even got a (kinda doofy) audiobook.
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No.9152
>>9136
it isn't sourced, though. that's what i mean. i tried to argue it with pablo and he sperged out over the word "reportedly".
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No.9163
So, uh, this came out of a youtube comment I found and no, I don't like it.:
In Episode IX: Rey will defeat Kylo, but will die and become One with The Force…which will become totally female…and be newly dubbed "The Rey." Also a rumor: The Jedi see the Force as "a mother," and the Sith see the Force as "a lover."
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No.9170
>>9163
I hope its true. It'd be hilarious and the final nail in the coffin for all of this. "The Rey/Ray". Imagine.
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No.9172
>>9163
>Rey will defeat Kylo
again? kind of boring now tbh but totally expected
>but will die and become One with The Force
didn't see that coming
>…which will become totally female
it already is according to KK
>…and be newly dubbed "The Rey."
mk that's just bullshit
>Also a rumor: The Jedi see the Force as "a mother," and the Sith see the Force as "a lover."
wut
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No.9175
>>9170
<"May the Ray be with you"
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No.9187
>>9163
I really, really hope they're stupid enough to try this. The faster this fucking abortion goes stillborn the better it will be for all of us
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No.9189
>>9163
>>9175
>May the Ray be with you
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No.9194
>>4946
> TV show
What episode?
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No.9211
>>9163
Da Wae would be better than 'the rey'.
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No.9216
>Rey becomes the Force
>Jedi see the force as a mother
I pity the children. She has smaller tits than Kylo.
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No.9244
>>9216
>>9189
>>9170
>>9163
Wait a shit here. Didn't one of the new Dr. Aphra comics (or the novels, can't remember which) suggest this same kind of bullshit possibility? Could the Marvel comics/nu-novels hold some kind of hint we can use as proof for this possible spoiler?
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No.9272
Only nu-lore I can say I liked was that they finally showed what Meiloroons looked like.
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No.9278
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Well this is a nice little scene. Could do without boy wonder talking, though.
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No.9279
>>9278
I think this would be a lot more enjoyable without Ezra and Sabine.
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No.9282
>>9244
Dr. Aphra, the Vader groupie, has her own comic book?
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No.9283
>>9282
She's had her own shitty comic for like 2 years and she started dating Han Solo's wife (who is just a shittier knockoff of Zend). Dr. Aphra, sassy archeologist extraordinaire who always has a plan and is just like Dr. Who! Ain't that swell? Fucking kill me.
Worst part about the comic is that it keeps taking stuff from the old EU by other authors and changes them up or gives them new names or aesthetic changes. I'm not sure if this is the same guy who did the Luke on Nar Shadaa comic with the spider leg hutts, but if it is, then no wonder this bitch is getting so much damn love.
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No.9287
>>9283
>Dr.Who
Please. The Doctor would try to take Vader and the Emperor down as soon as he could. He'd fail, but there'd be none of this amoral groupie garbage.. Aphra is a River Song knockoff, plain and simple.
>so much love
How does the spider-legs explain that?
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No.9291
>>9287
>Aphra is a River Song knockoff
Oh absolutely, but every time I see her be discussed on a forum they always bring up Dr. Who first in some way or another when she does something.
>How does the spider-legs explain that?
My bad. Let me explain. The author of that Nar Shadaa comic (which was also the one where we meet Han Solo's "wife") had a muscle bound hutt with spider legs. The author himself is basically a bit of a beta who hates stories where the Empire is fleshed out or humanized and he had trouble liking Clone Wars since he said it was like "trying to watch a show about Hitler before he became evil" and he's a feminist himself from what I understand, so if he is behind Dr. Aphra, it would explain why he has such a boner for her, but then that was a stupid comparison on my part since his kind of mentality is pretty much the norm now at Marvel Comics/Disney.
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No.9409
>>9291
>he had trouble liking Clone Wars since he said it was like "trying to watch a show about Hitler before he became evil"
This man sounds like an idiot.
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No.9417
>>9283
>she started dating Han Solo's wife
At some point we need to hang all the dumb faggots who hooted when two roasties started rubbing their tongues together.
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No.9418
>hutts with spider legs
Wot? They are ripping off Mojo now? What's next? X-babies versions of Luke and princess Leia?
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No.9419
>>9418
To be fair, one of Jabba's original concept art pieces had him moving around in a chair with mechanical spider legs.
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No.9425
>>9278
>Well this is a nice little scene.
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No.9426
>Dr. Aphra
Oh no, don't come with that one. She was "interesting" when she was one of Vader's goons, who had some soft spot for her due her resembling his late wife, even at subconscious level, which goes with the "spark of good who remained in Vader", but even so he disposes of her when she becomes a liability. After that she's a fucking Mary Sue without reason to be.
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No.9427
>>9409
>This man sounds like an idiot.
Indeed he is.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jason_Aaron
The comics he wrote were Showdown on the Smuggler's Moon which had Solo's wife, Solo being pathetic and the muscle bound hutts and some other crap.
The one who wrote Dr. Aphra is this soy-looking shit http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kieron_Gillen
However, he likes villains but he only knows how to write them as pathetic victims of society and won't stop setting up Aphra as the hottest shit ever to the point where she has made the Aphra Family bigger than the fucking Baobabs since every fucking university and archeologist society has a tie with Aphra now.
Also a snipit from when "our heroine" Chelli Aphra was a little girl
>Sometime after splitting with Chelli's father, raiders attacked their home, following her mother's request Chelli ran, however she returned with an awesome cannon that she had found in a cave and killed the raiders
Gee golly willikers!
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No.9428
>>9426
She was somewhat interesting then, although the Darth Vader comics are the somewhat least shit comics Marvel has produced, so it's no surprise there. Once she went off solo, Marvel lost any chance of having anything remotely readable.
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No.9429
>>9419
Except these new "/fit/" hutts have literal robo spider legs coming out of their flabby sides.
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No.9430
>>9429
Looks like waternoose from Monsters Inc
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No.9432
>>9430
He basically is except he's got a fetish for jedi collectibles and they keep re-using him as the more recurring hutt in the nu-lore. First he fought Luke, now he's fighting Poe Demomanramwhatever 30 years later and he's aged like shit which means hutts no longer live a long time.
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No.9433
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No.9448
>>9425
?
>>9409
>>9291
So, did he entirely misread Palpatine? Is he saying Hitler was good once?
>>9433
Are they done letting Marvel write these comics yet?
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No.9457
>>9448
I think he means Anakin was Hitler.
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No.9458
>>9457
That…I…what? Did this ludicrous faggot not watch past the first movie in the OT?
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No.9473
>>9426
So that's why Vader tolerated her quipping all the time.
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No.10319
I kind of like Kylo Ren as a character or at least the themes about him.
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No.10438
>>9448
>Are they done letting Marvel write these comics yet?
If only… I'd consider storytelling Aphra for the sake of cringe, but I don't want to get an ulcer.
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No.10443
>>10319
When you leave seventh grade you’ll see what a whiny faggot he is.
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No.10494
>>10443
I mean more like the potential of him. It just seemed more noticeable than any of the other new characters in the sequel trilogy.
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No.10505
>>10494
He's a whiny, emo little bitch and a joke of a character–the guy killed his own father to prove he was evil, for fuck's sake. The only 'potential' he has is as a model for Hot Topic.
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No.10533
>>10505
I have to agree. Only thing redeemable about him is his design, but even that is just a copypaste of Revan's, with JJ even admitting that he was a big fan of Revan and even claimed Kylo was the actual "Scourge of Malachor V" before Rebels retconned this as being a replacement for the Mando-Jedi War where Sith and Jedi fought on the planet instead and ended up being petrified into stone along with everything else on the planet instead of it becoming a hellish stormy chaos land ruled by savage mutated lizard men that eventually ended up being destroyed way before the PT era. The war Rebels handled it just made it clear that Kotor was simply a tall tale/legend, and nothing more. And that really grinds my fucking gears.
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No.10537
>>10533
>JJ was a fan of Revan
Why is Kylo Ren such a loser pussy then?
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No.10538
>>10537
Probably because JJ probably never even finished the game or played like a total pussy himself. Wouldn't surprise me if he only knows about Revan because of SWTOR, but he claims he played and "loved" Kotor.
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No.10545
>>10319
If he weren't upstaged by Rey every chance Kennedy got he might be salvageable as a character.
>>10505
>a model for Hot Topic.
My loving nickname for his ugly face and ripoff mask is The Jewchador.
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No.10547
>>7741
It's nu-lore in that it's canon for Disney Wars but not in the EU.
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No.10548
>>10547
If George said it, by the old canon system it is 100% canon and preempts anything else.
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No.10550
>>10548
If only Tarkin had come out for EU/Legends. Disney wouldn't have any good books outside of the new Thrawn ones.
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No.10581
>>10538
>he claims he played and "loved" Kotor.
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No.10590
>>10538
i don't recall jewjew claiming he loved kotor, that was rian johnson.
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No.10592
http://archive.is/puZ4u
Jar Jar Abrams is a bigger bitch than we thought.
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No.10593
>>10592
>if you don't like our shitty movie you hate women
So is Star Wars officially Ghostbusters now?
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No.10596
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No.10598
>>10596
Galactic Empire when?
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No.10602
>>10592
>just resorts to the tired 'y-you just don't like wymin and minoritys' argument again
And no he's not "a bigger bitch then we though." This is the same shit that happened after CISbusters. He's exactly a big a bitch as he's always been.
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No.10625
>>10592
He’s the reason Finn is an ape and Rey is a flat-chested barren woman with no ass.
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No.10630
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No.10717
>>4958
It seemed like it was ripping off the aesthetic of Naboo.
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No.10747
>>9133
I think Lucas said he would've made SOTE if he wasn't already making the prequels then. The 90s would've been a perfect time to make more movies with the old cast.
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No.10752
>>4958
Casino planet was ugly.
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No.10765
>>10752
More to the point, unimaginative.
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No.12265
After mucking about a bit on Wookiepedia to see what else they ruined, I can add that, purely from a visual standpoint, I like that they gave Ventress hair.
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No.12286
>>4955
You want Lovecraftian? Take the fucking force itself. Some kind of otherwordly energy or maybe life/creature that exists in a way that we can't quite comprehend and is thought to be responsible for life (and that's actually a lie as shown by the existence of the exile), maybe it evens suggests this to people, who knows, and that uses this said life in cold and brutal ways like we're a bunch of warts to achieve esoteric and incrompehensible goals ("balance"). All this Jedi bullshit about balance and all that shit is just a coping mechanism. The talk about serving the force is exactly what it wants, to make us into slaves. In a lovecraftian context the Jedi are the Cthulu cultists. I'm not sure what the Sith would be though.
>oh but Jedi do good things and help locals yada yada
That's the micro, not the macro scale. Jedi don't even understand what they're serving.
Forgive my english, I hope anons can understand what I was trying to say.
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No.12294
>>12286
>(and that's actually a lie as shown by the existence of the exile)
Not really relevant as she was born with a connection to the Force like any other living being. If she had been born without it, then we'd have something to talk about to validate that shit. And its not really slavery it performs since only a minority of people are able to even use the Force or even sense the force. The slavery aspect is solely to blame on the Jedi/Sith and their constant eternal-rivalry shenanigans.
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No.12320
>>8221
How colorful, I thought it was I Hate fairy Land at first glance.
>>5006
pics
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No.12354
>>5006
I can see your point there. The Darth Vader comics are the only good Star Wars comics Disney has made as far as I'm concerned.
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No.12360
>>8220
Consider that "flunky" was 80% of Palpatine, who by the ROTJ was more close to a walking Force nexus than a person.
Also the guy was a emotional wreck, he was basically a clinically depressed person entombed in a claustrophobic smelly clunky armor, unlike Palpatine, who was a psycopath over and over, Vader had to deal with the consequences of his actions, all the guilt, the mutilation etc.
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No.12366
>>12360
>Consider that "flunky" was 80% of Palpatine
What do you mean by that? That Vader had four-fifths of Sidious's power? If, so, where are you getting that number? How would you even quantify that outside of shit like Dragonball?
I've always considered Vader a badass If there is some EU material that changes this impression I'm not familiar with it, just one that's had his potential sorely diminished. He's still a master swordsman, and he's got a competent grasp of basic Force techniques like telekinesis and choke, after all. But he can't conjure Sith Lightning or advance farther in mastery of the Force because he's more machine than man.
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No.12380
>>12366
>What do you mean by that? That Vader had four-fifths of Sidious's power? If, so, where are you getting that number? How would you even quantify that outside of shit like Dragonball?
""Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely powerful," he says. "But he ended up losing his legs and an arm and became partly a robot. So a lot of his ability to use the Force, a lot of his powers, are curbed at this point, because, as a living form, there's not that much of him left. So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he's maybe 20 percent less than him. So that isn't what the Emperor had in mind. He wanted this really super guy, but that got derailed by Obi-Wan. So he finds that, with Luke, he can get a more primo version if he can turn Luke to the Dark Side. You'll see, as this goes on, Luke is faced with the same issues and practically the same scenes that Anakin is faced with. Anakin says yes and Luke says no."
―George Lucas"
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No.14268
>>4951
Yeah all clone commanders SF clones as well as the ARC and nulls had all of the orders memorized
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No.19874
>>7888
nah the TCW brain implant thing (like most things in the show) was oversimplified because of the tv format. That's the sole reason they even turned it into a chip–so they could have a nice and concise arc of episodes that would keep viewers hooked.. Republic Commando/EU had more nuance and made the clones FAR more interesting. I'd rather take a series full on dedicated to the GAR rather than a tv show that occasionally merely dips into GAR/clonetrooper stuff. If you're only taste of the old clonetrooper shit is Battlefront II, then fair enough, the whole thing might seem a bit weird and cold. But with the full picture? The EU clones make far more sense and are far more intriguing. It's actually full on hard sci-fi and it feels much more in line with what was introduced in Attack of the clones. It helps that they were written during that era, not years later after ROTS.
t. someone that watched TCW first and only checked out the books/eu years later
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No.19994
>>4946
Nu-lore I hate
>brain chips
>clones dindu nuffin dey be forcd by brain chips and shieeet
>normal clone troopers becoming ARC troopers
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No.20079
Is it just me or is this Jango clone black?
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/CT-1157
How the fuck did that happen?
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No.20100
>>20079
shiiieettt Jango got black'd
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No.20237
>>20079
>>20100
not the first time, if i'm not mistaken saw gerrera is a clone and he's darker than temeura morrison ever was.
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No.20238
>>20237
i stand corrected, he's a dindu all on his own.
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No.20241
>>20237
Saw was never a clone. He was just a loser who lived in his successful sister's shadow.
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