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Issue 8: Sheev attempts to teach Vader a lesson, to use his emotions, but to use them wisely. He warns Vader against letting himself be controlled by his feelings, otherwise his lessers will become his masters.
Issue 10: Vader doesn't heed Sheev's lesson. He allows Jocasta Nu to make him mad. First she exposes that he's Anakin Skywalker to the clones (whom he kills as a result), and then she taunts him of Sheev wanting to train other students. As a result, he loses himself in his feelings and does exactly what Jacosta Nu wanted of him: to kill her, so she can't expose her secrets to Sheev, and even to destroy the knowledge on force sensitive children. A weak old lady, Vader's lesser in every way, became his master. Sheev's warning made manifest.
This is one of the best mini-arcs we've had, let's be honest. I really like how the relationship between Sheev and Vader is being portrayed, here. In the EU, Vader was little more than an emotional bitch with Stockholm Syndrome toward Palpatine. Here we see Sheev and Vader have mutual respect for eachother, and Sheev even treats Vader like a genuine friend, even while maintaining the sharp edge of a Sith by constantly pushing and testing Vader not to grow complacent. Vader has massive flaws, but he's never weak or whiny. He makes mistakes, but he doesn't lose sleep over mustache-twirling evil Emperor doing something that challenges his morals. In fact, in this portrayal we see how Vader is more mindlessly destructive than Sheev is, which makes perfect sense, since Vader still has so much more to learn and ultimately fails at doing so.
I'll just come out and say it. The portrayal of Vader, and Vader's relationship with Sheev, is better in this Marvel comic than it is in the Dark Horse comics.
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No.26266
>>26264
And because I know you fags will bitch at me about it, yes I know Anakin was obsessed with Padme. But she's dead. I'm not saying memories of Padme shouldn't be used because she's obviously an important character to him but does he really have to think about a dead chick 24/7 for fuck's sake.
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No.26272
>>26266
>>26264
He's honestly the kind of character that works far more effectively if you don't break the mysteries of who he really is, or his own personal thoughts & motivations. The PT revealed too much, and too much of the characterization he got in them was George trying to fix the ROTJ problems with him after table flipping all his plans following the divorce & forcing Vader through what should have been at least one more trilogy's worth of character development.
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No.26273
>>26262
Not every Dark Horse comic has his armor get shredded.
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No.26274
>>26272
>forcing Vader through what should have been at least one more trilogy's worth of character development
in one film instead of 3-4.
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No.26276
>>26273
Aye, Ghost Prison is a good example of Vader being in control during a comic. He even goes against Palpatine's wishes, too.
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No.26318
>>26262
>There's a dark horse comic where he throws a cripple imperial officer, who was his sidekick for that mission, out of a balcony because the guy found favor with the emperor, which felt as it was a caricature of villainy instead of sith lord behaviour.
You mean the Gentis Coup? That was during the very early days of the Empire, Vader wasn' the seasoned sith lord, he was just entombed in his armor. It wasn't "Vader got his armor = blam, he was the veteran dark lord who doesn't act stupid".
> which felt as it was a caricature of villainy instead of sith lord behaviour.
Not really, there was a whole story building around that and it was tied to previous Empire comics. Trachta (the very same guy who would try to depoose the Sith) warned Tohm about throwing his lot with Vader. Palpatine rubbed in Vader's face that Tohm could be considerate a replacement for him.
Vader killed him because "not suffer a rival to live", he was younger, prone to rashier actions, early in his sith tutelage and disputes in the imperial court. It was to show is first steps in cold blooded, political motivated murder. He killed without anger, without joy, he killed Tohm because he was a political threat. Just like when he killed commander Vill who basically confirmed that Palpatine had contigency orders against him. "He fell", he killed the clone to avoid him telling the Emperor about Vader inquiry on the subject.
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No.26319
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No.26332
>>26318
>That was during the very early days of the Empire, Vader wasn' the seasoned sith lord, he was just entombed in his armor. It wasn't "Vader got his armor = blam, he was the veteran dark lord who doesn't act stupid".
You better not have posted in this thread before now.
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No.26337
>>26264
That's a great fucking moment. I can't even comprehend how stupid someone can be to not understand that Anakin wanted to become a Jedi to free the slaves, and then he finds out that he's spread more slavery throughout the galaxy. You might actually just be a really shitty person since Vader having a soul pisses you off.
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No.26340
>>26085
>At its best under Lucas SW was still more often than not far better in concept than actual execution.
nope, kys
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No.26346
>>26337
You might actually just be a little bitch if you think having a Dark Lord of the Sith not even be able to cry himself to sleep over the existence of slavery is good. He should get angry. Upset. Conflicted. Pensive and determined. That's what Prequel Anakin would've done. He's the right hand man of the Empire, if he wanted to he could go around freeing any slave he wants with a snap of his fingers. Nobody would give a shit or tell him no. Instead what does he do? Sulk all night long like an impotent retard. And you faggots call this good writing. If it wasn't in the EU and something you grew up with, and if it was presented now, you'd say that it promotes "soyboy" behaviour or something like that. But no, it's fine because you grew up with it and your little circle-jerk that also grew up with it also agrees with you.
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No.26347
>people talking about how a shitty new thing the Inquisitorius is
Uhm… are you guys aware that the Inquisitorius is an EU thing since the 90's or something?
Malorum? Hydra? Tremayne? Brand? Jerec for fuck's sake?
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No.26349
>>26346
You dont understand the relationship of Vader and the Emperor and the difference of power between them. Vader was Palpatine's slave to the point of nullify himself in his presence. It was something that everybody knows. Just watch RoTJ or read the novelization. Palpatine was a black hole in the Force, is presence was enough to make even Darth Vader feel like a nobody.
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No.26350
>>26349
Sheev would give no shits if Vader wanted to free whatever slaves crossed his path. Sheev doesn't even give a shit if Vader kills one of his moffs on a whim for fuck's sake. Vader is the second in command of the entire Empire and his word is law. You act like Sheev would get triggered if Vader decided to free up some slaves, which is abnormally retarded even for this place.
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No.26351
>>26347
They're talking about the new inquisitors which look and act like shit. As well as that corny saber copter shit they do which now all of them have (and that was certainly never standard issue with them before). The only one that hasn't been complete shit was the nameless pauan from Rebels.
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No.26354
>>26264
>but he's also supposed to be someone you can respect as an antagonist I think.
He's not. He's basically the victim of the Emperor's fucking manipulation and mind fuckery who exists only to exercise his will. He's a fallen hero whose lost his way, not fucking Darkseid or Thanos you faggot.
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No.26356
>>26347
Don't you fucking dare to compare Jerec with yidsney's band of foot clan rejects.
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No.26357
>>26354
Literally only this places is so stuck up its own ass to think this. The only place where he's this pathetic lapdog who exists just to follow orders and has no spine is from your fanfic. In the movies he killed a host of Jedi and even Palpatine himself after being injured from his fight with Luke. In the movies he's presented as Sheev's apprentice, not ass-wiper. In the movies he killed a moff on a whim just for disappointing Vader and didn't give a shit. Luke forgave him and "redeemed" him from the dark side, he didn't give him fucking therapy sessions to get over his depression.
It's only in your fanfic that he's mindbroken. In your fanfic, he can't even free a slave out of fear of Sheev even though Sheev wouldn't give a fuck. In your fanfic, he's can't even sleep because of how much of a tormented soul he is. I don't even like Vader, but your fanfic is garbage, bruh.
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No.26364
>>26357
>fanfic
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it does.
Also, that thing about slaves in ye olde canon was a manipulation of Palpatine, not fear of him.
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No.26368
>>26357
In the movies Anakin only chopped Mace Windu hand, moved in to kill the jedi children, and was show facing Cin Drallig and his apprentices. And as Vader he never killed a "moff". He killed only 2 officers, admiral Ozzel and captain Need. Both waaay lower than a moff.
Check your facts straight if you want to use the movies as hard facts
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No.26370
>>26347
lol wut? The only thing Disney's inquisitors have in common with the old inquisitors is the name and color of their lightsabers. These new guys look and act like faggots. Their designs look like something from out of someone's deviantART gallery.
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No.26373
>>26364
Call it fanfic, headcanon, call it whatever you like, I don't care. If Lucas wanted Vader to be a traumatized ass-wiper, he wouldn't have presented him the way he did. There's a reason why he has the same title (Darth) as Sidious, even though we know Sidious is the master and him the apprentice.
>>26368
Thanks bro. You missed the fact that he killed Kenobi but other than that great work polishing up my post with the correct info. Point still stands though.
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No.26374
>>26368
>Both waaay lower than a moff.
An Admiral isn't 'waaay' lower than a moff.
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No.26375
>>26346
>You might actually just be a little bitch if you think having a Dark Lord of the Sith not even be able to cry himself to sleep over the existence of slavery is good. He should get angry. Upset. Conflicted. Pensive and determined. That's what Prequel Anakin would've done. He's the right hand man of the Empire, if he wanted to he could go around freeing any slave he wants with a snap of his fingers. Nobody would give a shit or tell him no. Instead what does he do? Sulk all night long like an impotent retard. And you faggots call this good writing. If it wasn't in the EU and something you grew up with, and if it was presented now, you'd say that it promotes "soyboy" behaviour or something like that. But no, it's fine because you grew up with it and your little circle-jerk that also grew up with it also agrees with you.
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No.26376
This thread has become an absolute dumpster fire.
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No.26377
>>26357
>you guys are the minority, so you're wrong
You're free to go back to reddit or 4chan where the majority shares your opinions. Or perhaps on some level you realize that this board is better than those places. Maybe you ought to meditate on why this board is better than those places. You might just realize that you are wrong.
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No.26378
>>26376
That's what happens when you let the Mouse into your house.
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No.26403
>>25955
Kreia did a hell of a lot more than just sit in a library. She went out and searched for the knowledge the Jedi lacked. She came to a new perspective with that knowledge that defines her as an interesting character. Jocasta Nu did none of that and pretending the two characters have anything more than the most superficial similarities with so much painfully half-assed snark while doing so outs you as a cancerous Disneyfag. Now go back to Reddit.
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No.26407
>>26403
What's with Disney fags and only being able to refrence Knights of the Old Republic stuff? Is it because J. J. said that he loved those games?
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No.26408
>>26407
J.J. said a lot of things. His supposed love of KotOR doesn't show in his writing, much like this Disneyfag who obviously never played KotOR 2 or he wouldn't have made such a stupid statement.
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No.26411
>>26408
But muh Kyle Ren's blade hilt!
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No.26551
>>26340
I fucking love this shit, man, but let's not delude ourselves. ESB is by far the best one & nothing since has approached the bar it set. TPM being a comparative masterpiece to anything mousewars doesn't erase its glaring issues.
George is as bad at some things as he is brilliant at others.
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No.26555
>>26354
>He's basically the victim of the Emperor's fucking manipulation and mind fuckery who exists only to exercise his will
The PT did an incredible disservice to this concept, trying so hard to get it across on a lowest common denominator level it gets dumbed down to the point where it comes off as some kind of sadohomo grooming & requires headcanon gymnastics to get Vader's balls out of Sheev's purse again.
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No.26556
>>26555
>>26551
>le prequels R BAD, guize!
Go back to 4chan, cuck.
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No.26557
>>26556
"We've been shown now how much worse they could have been" is not at all the same thing as being "good". They weren't franchise killing. They also weren't fucking high art.
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No.26560
>>26555 (checked, but wasted)
>sadohomo grooming
M8, you need to get your head out of Foucaultland if that is how you saw things. While you're right about the Prequels being heavily flawed, I don't think George's autism would allow for something that depraved.
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No.26562
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No.26564
>>26560
>I don't think George's autism would allow for something that depraved
I don't know that his autism would've let him see it; there's a lot of shit in the PT he probably thought came across as he intended that then had to be clarified in novels & TCW.
If you look at the movies by themselves it's never really all that clear why Annie specifically falls for Sheev's weak pickup artist type tactics, and a lot of the lines Sheev uses on him come off that way with how they got delivered in those particular takes.
At least to me, I can never discount my own retardedness.
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No.26978
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No.26979
Scenes like these is why this comic is great.
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No.26980
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No.26981
>>26979
>Scenes like these is why this comic is great.
PFFFFF >>26936
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No.26982
>>25836
>That's people worshiping something different from Jesus.
That’s a pretty effective definition of devil-worship.
>This is why Christians are hated, because they have to make everything about them.
Right, it’s merely a complete and total coincidence that the “Western World” just so happens to be geographically and culturally contiguous with “Christendom” LOL
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No.26983
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No.26988
>>26979
You used to be such a decent poster, then you had to go full tryhard and contrarian. over a mediocre comic that's just a power fantasy. I mean I could even partly understand liking this garbage during its 2015 run, but shilling for Aphra too? Have you no standards?
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No.27000
Lmao, niggas were defending this shit unironically a week ago.
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No.27137
>>25956
>Sorry, but this ain't Star Wars. It just ain't. And I'm not nitpicking here, this is emblematic of everything wrong with Disney Wars, they simply do not understand that the Star Wars universe is not our world, it's an alternative world, it has its own internal logic, it has its own style and aesthetics that need to be maintained.
All true.
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No.27154
>>26551
>ESB is by far the best one & nothing since has approached the bar it set
if you unironically think that, ok. But, you should know that everything you like about ESB is because of Lucas
>>26557
>They also weren't fucking high art.
yes they were and are. They elevated the franchise. Lucas only got better with age.
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No.27164
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No.27165
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