No.25678 [Last50 Posts]
Issue 8: Sheev attempts to teach Vader a lesson, to use his emotions, but to use them wisely. He warns Vader against letting himself be controlled by his feelings, otherwise his lessers will become his masters.
Issue 10: Vader doesn't heed Sheev's lesson. He allows Jocasta Nu to make him mad. First she exposes that he's Anakin Skywalker to the clones (whom he kills as a result), and then she taunts him of Sheev wanting to train other students. As a result, he loses himself in his feelings and does exactly what Jacosta Nu wanted of him: to kill her, so she can't expose her secrets to Sheev, and even to destroy the knowledge on force sensitive children. A weak old lady, Vader's lesser in every way, became his master. Sheev's warning made manifest.
This is one of the best mini-arcs we've had, let's be honest. I really like how the relationship between Sheev and Vader is being portrayed, here. In the EU, Vader was little more than an emotional bitch with Stockholm Syndrome toward Palpatine. Here we see Sheev and Vader have mutual respect for eachother, and Sheev even treats Vader like a genuine friend, even while maintaining the sharp edge of a Sith by constantly pushing and testing Vader not to grow complacent. Vader has massive flaws, but he's never weak or whiny. He makes mistakes, but he doesn't lose sleep over mustache-twirling evil Emperor doing something that challenges his morals. In fact, in this portrayal we see how Vader is more mindlessly destructive than Sheev is, which makes perfect sense, since Vader still has so much more to learn and ultimately fails at doing so.
I'll just come out and say it. The portrayal of Vader, and Vader's relationship with Sheev, is better in this Marvel comic than it is in the Dark Horse comics.
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No.25679
>>25678
I don't like th-
Well, ok. I'm gonna say that it's a.. looks like it's a Darth Vader comic book.. he's a dark side user.. (and being a native Sith, I would have to support that)
but, uhh I don't like it…..
…on the fact that it's Disney.
Absolutely not.
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No.25685
>>25679
It raises an issue that I think some hardcore EU fans have to come to terms with more, myself included.
Things produced by Disney aren't incapable of some sort quality.(From what I've heard, the Vader comic, Tarkin, and Thrawn are pretty okay.)
However, just because a single work turns out to be better than expected, Disney is still ultimately horrible for Star Wars as a whole. So, Disney is always bad, but individual writers and artists can still find a way to make something interesting regardless.
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No.25687
>>25678
>First she exposes that he's Anakin Skywalker to the clones (whom he kills as a result)
Yeah, OP is a faggot for liking this trash. The Clones always knew that Anakin was Vader.
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No.25688
>>25678
>and Sheev even treats Vader like a genuine friend
That's completely inconsistent with the character of the Emperor that's presented in the six films. Sheev views his apprentices as tools, nothing more. Or do you forget that he disposes of all of them?
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No.25689
>>25678
>2017
I think I found where you may have gone wrong OP.
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No.25693
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No.25694
>>25693
>tfw you can't google
Not Wendig, trooper. It's Charles Soule. Cuck can't write a coherent sentence, even with 847 of his pronouns.
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No.25702
>>25687
I knew someone would bring this up, I was even tempted to address it beforehand but decided against it. All I can say is that it works in the context of what's presented. Vader is constantly referred to as a "monster" and even forms a sort of complicated attachment to his armor, as if it's part of him. But it's quite obvious that he's uncomfortable with having to be on life-support 24/7. I can only surmise that he wanted to maintain the image of Anakin Skywalker as he was before the defeat on Mustafar. Still, it's a good observation on your part.
>>25688
Sheev still acts like a Sith and constantly tests Vader, but Vader is the most powerful tool he has. I never meant to imply that he's all cozy and friendly with Vader, because that's not what happens at all. It's just that it's a much more realistic and meaningful connection. Pic related maybe helps portray what I mean.
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No.25704
>>25678
>he hasn't read the more recent issues
>defending the comic the gave rise to Doctor Aphra
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No.25705
>>25694
>oy vey google it
I looked up Soule. He talks like he's a soyfaggot.
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No.25707
>>25678
That wasn't Dark Horse's fault, they were simply restricted by what George wanted, and that's how he wanted Vader to be portrayed.
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No.25708
>>25705
>oy vey
>implying I know shit about Soule
>implying telling you to be correct is jewish
If you're gonna insult the book, anon, just be accurate. I'm not gonna try and dictate your opinion. Regardless of how much soy Soule may suck, the fact is his writing isn't Wendig-level faggotry or whoever that fart orgy writer is.
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No.25709
>>25708
>fat orgy
I'm too scared to ask…
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No.25710
>>25709
Regardless, you should know.
>>7061
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No.25712
>>25678
It's tolerable. I've read some of the other issues and for mouse shit it's pretty good, although later issues shit the bed completely.
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I'll just come out and say it. The portrayal of Vader, and Vader's relationship with Sheev, is better in this Marvel comic than it is in the Dark Horse comics.
I'd disagree. There are one or two Dark Horse comics that show Sheev's relationship with Vader to be almost parental and not just that of one of Sheev's tools, which seems to be your point of contention.
>>25685
nu-Thrawn and Tarkin are written by EU veterans, so that's not a surprise. Tarkin specifically was meant to be a Legends book as I understand it, Luceno had it ABD when the switch happened, he changed some minor details to fit with mouse canon and published it as it was.
>>25688
Sheev with Vader is the closest Sheev ever gets to parental. Of all his apprentices, Vader was the one he thought would one day truly replace him, prior to his potential getting sliced off and burned on Mustafar. And even after that, he was still immensely powerful; I believe Lucas said that pre-Mustafar Vader had twice Sheev's potential, while post-Mustafar he was "only" around four-fifths of Sheev.
>>25709
Knowledge is suffering, anon.
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No.25713
>>25710
>>25712
I really wish I hadn't asked… I knew Disney shit was awful but this is on a whole other level.
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No.25716
>>25712
Good post, anon. It's no surprise that the most accepted stuff of the Dis-canon is done by some of the more praised EU authors. That said, I'm not a big fan of Zahn's lethargy towards the shift in ownership, but I might just be petty.
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No.25718
At first i thought that as well, that old EU Vader was just too depressed and everyone shat on him to promote their new pet characters (Force Unleashed was the worst offender)… but after some thought i came to consider the best depiction. Vader was supposed to be a wreck, a broken man, the guy with that small thing that made him not a perfect sith but capable of redemption.
Palpatine was the psychopath, the crackling villain who got orgasms by killing people with killer piranhas or by lighting. Vader was the guy with a cold anger, a self hate that he ventilates by killing his officers or politicians but not deriving joy from it. Palpatine was the sadist, not Vader.
Also Vader wasn't whiny… when he understandably goes on tantrum for being a fucked up wreck, Palpatine had a talk and then cut out him of his self pity. After the events of Dark Lord he sobered up.
Respect? Vader hated Palpatine who considered him only a tool and would be always eager to dump him at the first chance. Palpatine lost his respect, his special care for Vader after Mustafar. The guy was a wreck, especially at mental level. Palpatine killed his whole family and was ok with that. Vader lost his mother and then killed his wife and was haunted forevermore. He was obsessed with keeping people alive, Palpatine didn't gave a fuck about anyone else besides himself.
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No.25719
>>25678
Its kinda hard for them to fuck up the concept, especially with how carefully Marvel manages this one since its their only consistently popular comic, or at least it was until midway in. But for me it started sucking before that when Aphra joined the scene. The more recent ones about Fortress Vader are just corny.
As for the main SW comics, they're just pure dogshit with some of the worst art I've ever seen. The same goes for the Aphra comics, whose art is not as bad, but its writing is worse than even American Chavez.
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No.25720
>>25718
This right here. Vader's characterization beforehand fit with his image as a broken soul, but casuals who were more enthralled by his depiction in A New Hope as a generic and all powerful evil overlord wanted more of that regardless of what the PT or ROTJ set up. I can't take the Vader/Sidious relationship in this seriously either since it was a relationship of mutual distrust under a guise of friendship. Any trust Vader had in him would likely fade after the first few months after Padme's death, with the only reason he would remain loyal was due to desiring the same goals as Palpatine for the most part. Another issue of these new comics I can't stand is how they changed up how lightsabers function with this "crying" business.
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No.25721
Is anyone else having trouble with posting on 8chan?
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No.25735
>>25702
>All I can say is that it works in the context of what's presented
Lol, no it doesn't. Vader and Sheev are characters introduced in the films, that means you have to acknowledge what happens in the films when you write them. Dipshit. You're a Disney apologist and you have shit taste.
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No.25736
>>25712
>Sheev ever wanting anyone to replace him
Sheev wanted to live for ever. He was never going to get replaced or give up his role as Emperor.
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No.25737
>>25707
>That wasn't Dark Horse's fault, they were simply restricted by what George wanted, and that's how he wanted Vader to be portrayed.
Man, what an asshole. I can't believe George wanted Vader portrayed in way that was consistent with the films and other media. I'm so glad that faggot is gone. Consistency is for nerds, every single thing only working on its own and contradicting everything else is great. I love Marvel super hero comics.
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No.25738
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No.25741
>>25716
I view Zahn and Luceno the same way I view Mark Hamill, they are under the tyrannical thumb of the Mouse and are being coerced into accepting the new canon.
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No.25743
>>25716
>I'm not a big fan of Zahn's lethargy towards the shift in ownership,
To give the man the benefit of the doubt, Disney's lawyers may not have given him much of a chance to speak out against the change in ownership. Unless you mean him writing anything at all. And I can understand that to a point, but the guy's an author. Man's gotta eat, and he did make the best out of some pretty bad source material.
>>25718
Good post, reminds me of that "what it feels like to be Anakin Skywalker" description from the RotS novelization.
>>25736
>Sheev wanted to live for ever.
The thing about Sheev is that he's been characterized in so many different ways it's hard to say exactly what he wants. I'm personally inclined to believe that he wanted to uphold the Sith grand plan to the best of his ability, which as long as Vader was capable of overpowering him is the Rule of Two, and as long as he can't is the Rule of One. Given that Sidious himself profitted immensely from Plagueis's hubris that he was the one who would institute the Rule of One, I don't imagine Palpatine would fall to the same mistake. This is why he was so obsessed with turning Luke and I believe he succeeded in Dark Empire, I haven't read it yet, because he'd finally someone whose Force potential rivalled or even surpassed his own–something which was once true of Vader but wasn't any longer. But without a potential successor to him, he follows the Rule of One doctrine, as anyone who replaces him would make the total power of the Sith lesser.
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No.25746
>>25743
Every Sith wants to live forever. It's a given when the entire philosophy is a power trip. Through strength I gain power. As long as a Sith has power, and believe me they will want it and more, they will never let it go. To be otherwise would mean that they are weak in some way. It means they've cracked and that can be exploited by even the weakest of foes.
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No.25749
>>25746
True, no Sith will just voluntarily lay down and die. Maybe a better way to put it is whether or not they expect to live forever. Every Sith lord of the Bane line was aware on some level that he would eventually be killed, if not by his current apprentice then by his replacement after the first one failed. Sure they'd resist with every ounce of strength they had. But the implication was that one day, the apprentice becomes more powerful than the master, whether that's because the master becomes feeble or the apprentice becomes strong. Sheev bucked this trend because he had good reason to believe that none of his apprentices would ever be capable of overpowering him. But I don't think he rejected the Grand Plan in its entirety. If and when he had an apprentice that could potentially exceed him I think he'd acknowledge that possibility, even as he fought tooth and nail to make sure it doesn't happen.
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No.25769
>>25743
Sith ideology is based on Satanism. The idea is that they give up their connection to the living force in order for material power, and like all Satanists, they want to live forever because they know there is no after life for them, their soul is gone. Sheev had no intention of ever dying.
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No.25772
>>25741
>>25743
Fair points, anons. I may have to reconsider my view.
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No.25774
>>25769
Sure, I can buy that. To clarify my autism, I'm not suggesting that Sheev didn't want to live forever, I'm just contradicting the notion that he didn't give a shit about the Rule of Two or the Sith Grand Plan, or that his desire for immortality flew in the face of either of those things.
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No.25775
>>25769
>Sith ideology is based on Satanism.
I am Christian, this is silly.
I am curious about more Christian influences on the OT and Prequels, however.
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No.25777
>>25775
>hurr, I'm Christian so I understand Satnism!
Satanism has little to nothing to do with Christianity. Satanism almost entirely starts with Paradise Lost and the French Enlightenment.
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No.25782
>>25777
Isn't Satanism Jewish?
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No.25791
>>25775
>this is silly.
Why? It makes sense, especially in regards to Sith views on life and as George, said they represent material wants and desires while in a pursuit for knowledge to satisfy physical needs. There's also a mixture of demonology mixed in there since Sith can create their own manner of demons in the form of sithspawn. Then there's sith sorcery which occasionally seems more akin to witchcraft. Not to mention a lot of the emotions and wants that sith stereotypically fawn over fit with most of the 7 deadly sins. Even Sion and Nihilus can be considered embodiments of these, with Sion representing Wrath and Nihilus representing Gluttony.
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No.25793
>>25782
Not really, no. They overlap from time to time because both Jews and Satanists are materialists, but they have different mythologies. The reason you sometimes see Jews using Satanic imagery is because it's a way to mock Christians, who they (largely) despise.
On the other hand, there are some Satanists who absolutely despise Jews. So it's really a mixed bag. Satanism is almost entirely a larp. The only real constants in Satanism are a reverence for material pleasures, a penchant for misanthropic contrarianism, and a tendency to blow smoke up your own ass. So Satanists and Jews can get along with one another, and they often do, but there's no actual requirement for it.
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No.25797
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>>25793
>Satanism is almost entirely a larp.
Can confirm.
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No.25798
>>25777
So it's not actually Satanism, they're just hedonistic atheists stole the name to sound edgy? and useful idiots to the actual satan-worshipping ones I guess?
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No.25805
>>25798
>they're just hedonistic atheists stole the name to sound edgy?
Yes. That's true of quite a few non-Christian religions as practiced in Current Year+3, they just want to be part of the latest edgy out-group including /pol/ack neopagans.
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No.25806
>>25798
>they're just hedonistic atheists stole the name to sound edgy?
That's what Satanism always was. It's just anti-Christianity that came from people sympathizing with the character of Lucifer in Paradise Lost. Satanism was never a real thing.
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No.25807
>>25806
>>25805
This. The Sith if anything seem more like traditional occultists and self-serving alchemists, except insanely powerful, wouldn't you say? But then again, I personally see them as rather unique in nature.
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No.25808
>>25807
Well the Sith obviously differ from Satanists in the fact that in the Star Wars universe, magic is real, and in the real world there is nothing more than the mundane, as depressing as that is. So in real life all occultists are inherently larpers who do nothing but steal from philosophy and then throw a coat of mystical paint on those ideas they stole and call it a day.
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No.25814
>>25807
>I personally see them as rather unique in nature.
That's because they are. They share some visual themes with real life groups, but everything about them is pretty damn unique which is likely what makes them and the SW setting so popular. However the 7 Deadly Sins comparison mentioned here >>25791
is rather app.
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No.25816
>>25814
Like everything else in Star Wars, The Sith are an amalgam of similar archetypes. The Empire for example could be compared to the British Empire, the Third Reich, or even the United States itself. It isn't a direct copy of any of them (that's where Disney fails big time) it's simply using a combination of familiar motifs and cultural touchstones to give off that Imperial vibe which is timeless and universal.
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No.25823
>>25777
Nice strawman, faggot.
No, I mentioned I'm Christian because I assumed >>25769 was Christian, and wanted to make sure to tell him that I too am a Christian who thought his point silly. All too often fedorafags wave away criticisms of satanism, and I didn't want him thinking I was doing that. All based on assumption.
Second, "satanism" has been around forever. The concept of a uniform religion being recent is true, but people have been worshiping the devil forever, whether in the form of pagan idols or outright desire for wickedness; pic related.
Third, what a ridiculous concept, that Satanism has nothing to do with Christianity.
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No.25824
>>25823
Nobody's gonna think you're a fedora for saying its a silly comparison since you're right, it was as
>>25806
>>25816
proved time and time again. Like he and some have said, any similarity siths have to occultists or satanists is purely superficial, such as in terms of attire or sithspawn designs. Much like many other factions in SW. They all have a visual similarity to something, lie >>25816
said with the Empire resembling several real world armies, but again, the similarities are superficial or have similar motivations, which are again superficial. SW does a good job of setting up a unique and alien setting that's unique and out there with with enough real world parallels to make it easy to access.
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No.25825
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No.25827
>>25825
I love her so much
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No.25828
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No.25829
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>>25825
>direct linking to youtube
Use invidio damn it.
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No.25830
>>25824
Thanks.
>Nobody's gonna think you're a fedora for saying its a silly comparison since you're right
You never know, sometimes normalfags assume outlandish things, whereas before it wasn't like that because imageboards weren't full of them. Anyway, sage for off-topic.
>>25827
But she's wrong.
I wonder why that image was made smaller when the watermark was removed?
https://www.deviantart.com/rerez/art/Kotor-Young-Kreia-109386983
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No.25831
>>25830
>But she's wrong.
Don't insult my wife.
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No.25833
>>25831
Your woman is weak and old.
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No.25836
>>25823
>whether in the form of pagan idols
Yeah, that's not actually Satanism just because you say it is. That's people worshiping something different from Jesus. This is why Christians are hated, because they have to make everything about them.
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No.25837
A lot of anons confused this comic with the previous Darth Vader marvel comic that features the Aphra roastie. This isn't the same comic. I'm confused by all the marvel comics too, but this is the 2017 comic. The Aphra Darth Vader comic was from 2015 and it was shit.
>>25712
>There are one or two Dark Horse comics that show Sheev's relationship with Vader to be almost parental
I don't want it to go that far, rather it just makes sense to me that Sheev would still act with the same personality toward Anakin as it was during the prequels. It makes no sense that all of a sudden Sheev acts like a total mustache-twirling villain and stranger and completely forget his charisma from the prequels. That's what this comic did right. It brought back Prequal Sheev.
>>25718
I disagree, because it's just tedious to go through personally. You're right that Force Unleashed is the perfect example of how tired I am of Vader being treated like a bitch.
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No.25838
>>25825
>>25827
>>25823
>>25829
>>25830
>>25836
>>25831
>>25833
Can we stay on topic and discuss the comic please?
Anyway, I read it initially and it started off well enough, but it quickly lost its charm after the 6th or so issue, which proved this would have been better off as a short series like the Lando comics. The most recent issues just use the stupid World between Worlds concept from Rebels to try and bring back Padme and it resulted in one of the most lackluster fights one could expect regardless of the hype. This time travel shtick is getting on my nerves.
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No.25840
>>25838
The comic is terrible, so why even bother? This discussion about sheev is a lot more interesting.
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No.25841
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No.25842
>>25837
>they have two comics with the exact same generic ass "Darth Vader" title
How can they be this fucking incompetent? Dark Horse would always add subtitles so this confusing shit didn't happen. What is with Disney and being unable to properly name stuff? Like the whole, "A Star Wars Story" shit, what's up with that? Star Wars: Rogue One sounds way better than Rogue One, A Star Wars Story. A Star Wars Story sounds like some Hallmark channel shit.
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No.25843
>>25838
I agree with you, but the comic you're talking about is the 2015 one. This thread is about 2017 version because Marvel keeps making shitty new Vader titles every year to keep interest in their shit comics afloat, since Vader is the only real best seller after they fucked up with Star Wars. The 2017 issue is just slightly better than the 2015 one, but that's not saying much.
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No.25844
>>25838
>>25841
>he forgot to change his flag before samefagging
I don't care what system you're from, that has gotta hurt!
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No.25845
>>25843
>after they fucked up with Star Wars
Care to elaborate? I wasn't aware that Marvel was playing a hand in making the entirety of the franchise worse, just one aspect of it, as in the comics. Or are you talking about the main star wars comics?
>>25844
I'm not samefagging. I agreed with you. It may be a bit off topic but talking about Palpatine's motives are a more interesting topic than Disney's shitty new comics.
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No.25846
>>25845
>Or are you talking about the main star wars comics?
Well no fucking duh. But the state of all the new comics are just abysmal with all of them having terrible writing, dialogue and characters, but the worst thing has been the art. The only series with remotely decent art is the Vader comics and some Afra issues (a waste of talent if you ask me). But the main Star Wars comics focusing on Luke, Han and Leia are just horrible. They're just tracing pictures of the actors now and the anatomy is all wonky.
>>25842
>How can they be this fucking incompetent?
Its almost impressive with how they manage to find new and creative ways to fuck up the franchise.
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No.25851
>>25840
I don't mind Sheev discussion at all, but just saying "this is terrible" without any explanation is OT neckbeard-tier. It's better than most EU shit I've read, and this is coming from someone who hates Disney's shit too. EU was better for games, but I admire what Charles Soule did with Sheev and Vader. At least in the beginning issues, I haven't read past issue 15 yet.
>>25843
>The 2017 issue is just slightly better than the 2015 one
I disagree. I couldn't stand Kieron Gillen's 2015 comic. Too much focus on roasties like Leia and Aphra, and Vader acted like a doormat robot. Also let's not forget the WE WUZ SHERLOCK HOLMES N SHIET character. The two aren't even comparable, in my opinion.
I get the feeling that this whole thread is just going to turn into mindless purism of everything post-EU is trash no matter what, though, so if that's the case I'll just leave it here and be on my way.
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No.25853
>>25851
>It's better than most EU shit I've read
>I haven't read any of the EU
>I admire what Charles Soule did with Sheev and Vader
>I hate George Lucas and his vision
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No.25854
>>25851
>I get the feeling that this whole thread is just going to turn into mindless purism of everything post-EU is trash no matter what, though, so if that's the case I'll just leave it here and be on my way.
We explained to you why it sucks. Vader and Sheev aren't buddies, Vader is Sheev's bitch, just like Dooku and Maul were. If you want to hear people sucking off the mouse, you can go to reddit or any other normie website.
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No.25856
>>25853
>Strawman: The Post
Whatever makes you sleep at night. It sure beats presenting arguments if you can just assume shit about the other person.
>>25854
Sheev is a Sith, it's survival of the fittest. Obviously if someone is stronger, the weaker disciple gets replaced. That's just common knowledge. It doesn't mean that Sheev's entire charisma from the prequels should just be swept under the rug and act like he's just a 1-dimensional baddie now. It's funny because this comic makes Sheev more true to the Prequels than most everything else. But I doubt you even read it.
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No.25857
>>25851
>WE WUZ SHERLOCK HOLMES N SHIET character
Fuck you for reminding me.
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No.25859
>>25769
Obviously Sith ideology is based on Catholicism. The Emperor is clearly a stand in for the Pope; he even dwells in the Imperial City - Vatican City. And just like Catholics they abandon scripture and the word of God/Jesus (the teachings of the Jedi) in favour of material goods.
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No.25860
>>25856
>But I doubt you even read it.
Psssh… nothin personnel… kid…
Just shut up and buy the fucking comics, goy!
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No.25861
>>25857
It's your fault for comparing Soule's work with Gillen's work. They're worlds apart in quality. I just hope Soule manages to retcon Gillen's work somehow, even if they're dealing with different time periods.
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No.25862
>>25856
>Sheev's entire charisma from the prequels should just be swept under the rug and act like he's just a 1-dimensional baddie now
Hahaha, holy shit. Do you even know what Charisma is? Yes, Sheev is Charismatic, and what does he use that Charisma to do? Trick people into becoming his pawns. We see what happens to Dooku at the very beginning of Revenge of the Sith! Dooku is shocked because Sheev charmed him too. When you become Sheev's apprentice you are making a deal with the devil. It takes a big idiot to think Sheev isn't meant to represent pure evil. Evil is seductive, that's the whole point, but it's still evil.
Anakin made a deal with the devil, and he became the devil's dog. That's whole point of his story, he descends into hell (mustafar) and loses his soul (becomes more machine than man) He isn't truly Anakin again until his son redeems him in Return of the Jedi.
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No.25863
>>25861
>hope Soule manages to retcon Gillen's work somehow
>he cares about Disney canon
Wow. This gets better with every post.
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No.25865
You want us to read this comic? Okay, we'll read it!
Don't go crying when we point out why it's shit while doing so!
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No.25866
>>25862
There's a difference between being a charismatic Sith and being just a figure of evil that only knows how to spout menacing one-liners. You're treating Sheev like he's supposed to represent some devilish force that's straight up religious instead of being a character, a Sith. We get it, you're very passionate about religion. You can calm down now. I'm not forcing you to read anything.
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No.25867
>10 pages in and nothing has happened so far
So the first arc is going to be about Vader making his red lightsaber? Wow, this is definitely something that needed to be seen.
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No.25868
>>25865
Dude, legitimately thank you for doing this lmao. I'm reading it off of the same site (you can tell by the filenames) but no way in hell am I saving it on my computer just to post it all here, that's too much work. Having a salty cuck neckbeard do it for me is much better. Thank you cucky.
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No.25869
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>>25866
>you're very passionate about religion
Lol, except I'm not at all. But George definitely is. Try watching some interviews with him, he doesn't shy away from his influences and inspirations when explaining things.
>You're treating Sheev like he's supposed to represent some devilish force
Yes, that's literally the character. Try watching Return of the Jedi sometime. In case you didn't realize, his Palpatine persona was an act.
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No.25870
>>25868
>Having a salty cuck neckbeard do it for me is much better. Thank you cucky.
Call me an incel next, it will totally make you seem less asshurt.
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No.25871
>>25870
What's the matter? Did I hit a cord so you stopped posting the comic for me now? Aww.
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No.25872
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No.25873
>15 pages in
>muh nazi book burning allegory
>this really is all going to be about Vader making his red lightsaber
>>25871
If you ever actually storytimed anything on this website you would know about flood pervention. But keep on projecting your own anger.
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No.25874
>muh decompressed storytelling
>Hey, what's that?
>There's some random bandits here on this desolate planet, who just conveniently have a space ship that matches Vader's color scheme?
Well that's fantastic, because otherwise there wouldn't have been any action in this comic, and we all know the best sort of action is random mooks being slaughtered. Really compelling stuff.
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No.25875
>>25874
<Hmm. I had a vessel brought here for you to use–it appears to have been… stolen. Ah, this lawless galaxy. Truly, it cries out for our guidance
>There's some random bandits here on this desolate planet, who just conveniently have a space ship that matches Vader's color scheme?
It doesn't surprise me that you're illiterate and can't read, my friend.
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No.25876
And that ends the first issue.
Positives:
>Good Art
>Inoffensive story (so far)
Negatives
>Pointless story
>an entire issue that is nothing but setup
You could have told this entire story in the first 10 pages or less. This reeks of filler. Vader is not a character that needs more stories, he has a complete arc in the Six films that Lucas made. There's nothing interesting left to say about him.
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No.25877
>>25875
>he expects me to read every single line of this shit
I'm storytiming the whole series, that's 24 issues. This isn't worth my undivided attention. And that explanation changes nothing, the bandits are there solely for a by the numbers Vader action scene. If you find that sort of thing compelling, fine. But it's the same shit they've been doing in every other Disney Vader comic.
The only difference I see so far is the art is a lot better than that awful last series where everyone looked like a mixture of tracing and CGI.
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No.25878
>>25877
That's alright. But then don't try to jump at conclusions just because you can't be assed to read it. I'm not saying you have to read every line, but at least do so before you comment on stuff you didn't catch on to. Otherwise it just makes you look dumb. But for real, I actually appreciate you doing this. My opinion of you changed, you're not a bad dude.
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No.25879
Well that's a cool looking space castle, maybe this issue will be alright-
>ding
>kicker
Fuck you, Filloni. You shit on Clones forever. Does anyone else remember when the Clones actually acted like Clones and their carrying out of Order 66 was completely in line with how they always acted aside from Arc Troopers and Republic Commandos? I know I'm in a minority of anons who despised the CGI Clone Wars, but still. I miss when they went by their serial numbers like the characters from THX.
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No.25881
>Vader killing clones
Are you fucking kidding me? It was bad enough when that first Disney Star Wars comic had Vader using Stormtroopers as human shields to block laser blasts when he could have just used his lightsaber.
What is up with Disney/Marvel and their penchant for the bad guys always killing their own men?
Anon, I thought you said this Vader was in line with the Prequels version of Anakin? Anakin was always portrayed as caring about his men. Even in the original trilogy Vader only killed officers.
And don't tell me I didn't read the dialogue. The droid even tells Vader he has the docking codes!
Man, fuck this comic.
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No.25882
I just realized this is the same shit as the last issue, a contrived action scene where Vader slaughters mooks for no reason. He literally had the docking codes, he is literally a high ranking member of the Empire, and for some reason he decides to slaughter Imperial soldiers.
Seriously, anon, how is this in character?
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No.25883
>>25881
No, this comic is more in line with how Prequels did Sheev, we didn't really get much of Vader in the Prequels. I did mention that Vader is much more destructive (than Sheev) in the OP. It lines up with Vader choking out that moff for no good reason in the OT, but I agree that it's a major flaw of Vader's, that even gets addressed by Sheev later.
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No.25884
Once again, thanks to decompressed storytelling and a lot of filler, we have an entire issue where nothing happens.
Lets break down the first two issues so far:
>Sheev tells Vader he needs to build a lightsaber
>Sheev drops Vader off on a planet with a ship
>Vader flies that ship to an Imperial outpost
>Vader then decides to slaughter everyone at that outpost for no reason
>Vader then gets information on where a surviving Jedi is
I'm going to guess the entire next issue is just Vader fighting the Jedi and then getting another clue at the very end.
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No.25885
>>25883
>it's okay if we have our characters act retarded if several issues later other characters point out that it's retarded
What's the justification for Vader killing all the clones? He felt like it? He just felt like it? That makes Vader a shit character on the same level as Kylo Ren.
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No.25886
By the way, Vader fighting an elderly Jedi has already been done before, with better art, by Dark Horse.
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No.25887
>>25885
You're using the same argument that RLM uses to shit on PT, because why did Vader kill all his former friends and family in the Jedi Order just like that. He wants to constantly test his strength. Anakin more than anyone lives to fight. He's a Sith. Let him act like one. It's a flaw, but at least he's not being an emotional wreck that's supposed to be "strong" but can't sleep because he's so emotional about it.
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No.25888
>>25887
>You're using the same argument that RLM uses to shit on PT
No, I'm not. They were taking things out of context. I'm putting things into context.
>but at least he's not being an emotional wreck that's supposed to be "strong" but can't sleep because he's so emotional about it
Lol, that's such a retarded statement, I don't even know where to start. Vader should be an emotional wreck, he killed his wife, and he thinks he killed his children, all because he fell for Sheev's lies. Vader should hate himself, he should be self-destructive, not just randomly killing clones. He has no reason to be angry at clones, he has every reason to be angry at himself.
But I'm not going to get into this now, because if I do then I'll never finish storytiming this comic.
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No.25889
This is a better start than the other comics. A new character, a nice new setting, I like it so far.
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No.25890
>>25888
The last think he knows is that Padme betrayed him with Obi Wan. The key factor here is that he did choke that roastie bitch out and Obi Wan had to intervene. Venting his frustration by fighting is exactly what Anakin would do. But we can get into this later, yeah.
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No.25891
This is definitely a step up from the last comics, even though Vader fighting a Jedi is nothing new, it is at least something compelling. This fight has some actual weight to it as both parties have a reason to be fighting and both parties are known.
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No.25892
The idea of a Jedi Temple/Mountain that exists to test people is fun. Reminds me of Jedi Academy or something like that. Same with the training droid.
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No.25893
I was liking this until this point. We all know Vader is going to come back and beat this guy, you're just wasting our time by having him lose right here. The filler in this series is unreal, but I get it, this is how Marvel does things, they pad everything out. Fine.
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No.25894
All that being said, the first issue should have been this. They could have skipped the bandit planet bullshit, and the clone bullshit, and had Vader search through the Jedi archives on Coruscant for this guy's files or whatever after talking to Sheev about needing a lightsaber, and then jumped to how this issue started. There was no need for everything that happened in Issue 1 and 2 to be as long as it was.
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No.25895
The visual of Vader rebuilding himself with pieces of the droid is cool. The high point of this series is definitely the art.
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No.25896
Nothing to complain about here.
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No.25897
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No.25898
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No.25899
There's nothing to complain about with this issue. It's Vader fighting and killing a Jedi, embracing the dark side, being evil and angry. It works fine here because it doesn't contradict anything else. The series definitely should have skipped the Bandits and Clones, and gotten here as quickly as possible.
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No.25900
I like that he returns to Mustafar for this part.
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No.25901
Lucas himself said that Mustafar was an allegory to Hell, Hades, or the Underworld. So I think it's a good location for traumatic stuff like this to happen at.
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No.25902
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No.25903
And once again, he has to ruin what could have been a perfectly fine issue by having some stupid shit where Vader smashes the guards against the windows. This reeks of Kylo Ren, not Vader. I don't buy it, there's simply no reason for it. But whatever, it's not as bad as the shit with the clones. So the Lightsaber arc is complete then. I guess each arc will be roughly five issues?
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No.25904
>Rebels
>the ain't me lightsaber
>the saturday morning carton villain
Oh fuck, this is gonna get so bad. Okay, I did five issues, I'll do the next five later when people are actually online, so I'm not just torturing myself for no reason.
So far, from these first five issues, it's better than the other Disney Vader comics. But that's not saying much, because those Aiden Gieron comics or whoever that faggot writer is, were absolute dogshit. The Dark Horse stuff is still infinitely superior to this. We'll see where the rest of this goes later.
Good art, and mediocre to occasionally infuriating writing.
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No.25905
>>25903
Yeah, 5 per arc seems about right. After next arc it'll be all new things for me as well so I'm looking forward to it.
I still think you vastly underestimate Anakin's rage, honestly. He was about to kill Padme herself in rage, and had no issue slaughtering the entire Jedi babbies. But I understand your complaint. I just don't see that it contradicts anything presented in his character. I don't remember him ever going out of his way to save his crewmates. In fact he was so reckless that he'd constantly be putting his clones in danger too, like when assaulting Dooku's ship.
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No.25906
>>25905
In that Dooku ship scene, he says he's going to go back and save the clone pilots, and then Obi Won tells him not to. Obi Wan tells him that the Clones job is to die, and that their job is to save Palpatine. Aside from that, I'll admit I get a lot of Anakin looking our for his clones from the Dark Horse Clone Wars comics (pre even the genndy series) which were great. I'll have to storytime them sometime.
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No.25907
>>25905
I don't mind Vader's rage being a thing, I liked the part where he unleashes the water on the city and basically tortures that Jedi, making him watch all those innocents die because he forced Vader to chase after him. Vader being a hate fueled monster is fine with me, the problem is when he's a mindless hate fueled monster, Vader is in my opinion able to channel his anger at specific things, he saves it up, and then unleashes it on people. He doesn't just use it 24/7.
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No.25908
>>25907
I agree that it's a huge flaw. But if he was perfect at channeling that rage then he wouldn't have killed Padme. There has to be a reason why he's the apprentice and Sheev is the master. And as in the OP, Sheev even brings this stuff up and tries to guide Vader to be wise when exercising his power. Perhaps that's how I should've stated it from the start: I like how Sheev actually tries to teach Vader in this, because that's what he's supposed to be doing as the master. In everything else, Sheev basically just ignores Vader unless he needs Vader to do something.
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No.25910
>>25908
Wouldn't have tried to kill Padme* And really he would've killed her if Obi Wan wasn't there.
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No.25911
>>25908
That alienation is necessary, though. Sheev does ignore and neglect Vader, because he views Vader as failed investment. He wanted the Chosen One, and he got it for a very brief period, and then Vader got defeated on Mustafar and turned into broken man. The way Sheev treats him after that point is what plants the seed in Vader's head to tell Luke that they can overthrow the Emperor and rule the galaxy together as father and son. The moment Anakin goes into the armor, he loses the father figure that Sheev was playing as, because Sheev no longer sees any point in keeping up the act, he already owns him, he already broke him.
I see Anakin's entire story as him being desperate for a father figure, that's why he goes to the dark side in the first place. Qui Gon was the father he shoud have had, but Sideous' apprentice killed Qui Gon, and Obi Wan simply couldn't be the father figure Anakin needed, instead Obi Wan treated Anakin like a brother, and Anakin did not need a brother, he need to be guided. That's where Sheev came in and manipulated the young man.
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No.25912
>>25911
Vader planned on overthrowing Sheev since before Mustafar, that's why he told Padme that he's stronger than the Emperor and will usurp him. It's a difference in taste. I want Vader to be a Sith, because he's Darth Vader for a reason. You want him more to be like a dark jedi. Even after Mustafar, Vader is probably still stronger than Maul and Dooku, it's just now there's actually a chance of him being replaced if Sheev finds someone stronger. That doesn't mean he's a lost cause and Sheev would just treat him like he wasn't a Sith. I get your point of view, but I simply don't like it. At its core it really is about turning Vader into a dark jedi figure instead of a Sith.
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No.25913
>>25769
>, they want to live forever because they know there is no after life for them, their soul is gone
"The chains of a grave cannot hold a Dark Lord of the Sith, not when all the forces of the Dark Side demand that I speak"
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No.25915
>>25868
>>25875
>all those buzzwords
>trying this hard to fit in
>>25861
>caring about disney's canon
>implying both aren't equally shit
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No.25916
>>25865
Padme's face looks like it could have come out of a porno.
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No.25917
>>25861
> thinking a Marvel comic writer would retcon another man's work
>thinking Aphra will ever be decanonized when she's one of the few hits under Marvel's belt right now
And are you forgetting that this comic leads up to the events of the cinematic turds that are TFA and TLJ? There's no way in hell theyll retcon anyting. Besides under his run the comic was only mediocre fan service at best.
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No.25918
>>25873
>it's red because it's like BLOOOOOD
Fuck that's cringey. It's not even the right kind of edge for Sith, either. Not that I'd expect Disney to properly get into the Sith mindset of individual strength and self-sufficiency, these were the same fucks who gave us mood ring sabers after all.
>big red banners with the evil bad guy symbol on it.
Oh COME ON. Where's the subtlety? Where's the nuance? If I'm going to give the mouse a chance you have to at least give me something to work with here. I'll keep reading but this is not a good start.
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No.25919
>>25879
I don't like the CGI show either, but nicknames (or abbreviated serials at least) are a minor crime as things go. They are still human soldiers, after all. Obedience conditioning or no, nicknames are one of those things that keep up squad morale.
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No.25920
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No.25921
>>25873
>kill puppies
>make children and lightsabers crystal crryyy
>WE SUTH ARE EBULL WE NEED TO MAKE THE CRYSTALS BLED AND CRY IN PAIN
That's stupid. The banite sith were supposed to be beyond that, lightsabers were just another tool. Banite sith were also supposed to be amoral utilitarians, beyond the conceptions of good and evil. It's all about control of the Force, not BEEEING EEEVILLL AND MAKING THE POOR CRYSTALS TOOO BLEED.
>red is the standard color of blood in a galaxy of millions of species
>a crystal is alive and yet, even if symbolicaly bleeds red
Fuck… just give me back the fucking adegan crystals.
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No.25922
>>25883
No, the Muun is right. This is out of character for Vader and it's trash.
>>25887
Even if this shit-tier justification made sense it still doesn't explain why Vader is slaughtering clones after the lengths he went to to protect his men.
Rest of the comic is okay. Not great, Dark Horse did Vader-hunts-Jedi much better, but the fight with the Jedi was all right. Channeling the dark side into a focusing crystal to make it red isn't as good as the original lore about crystals but it wasn't as retarded as I thought it would be. But the series is very fillerific, and Vader going on temper tantrums like a petulant child is neither compelling nor in character for him. Especially in the last scene with Tarkin, where he just spergs out for no reason, and doesn't even have a specific trigger for his anger. Like other guy said, it reeks of Kylo Ren and the hopeless plebians who thought he was an actual character.
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No.25925
>>25922
>Especially in the last scene with Tarkin, where he just spergs out for no reason, and doesn't even have a specific trigger for his anger.
What about the fact that the royal guards brandished his weapons at him, because Vader in a suit is still new and no one really knows who he is outside of Palpatine, who obviously didn't inform his royal guards about him? What about the fact that no one showed him respect when walking into the room, even though he knows very well that he's stronger than everyone there besides Sheev? So, he asserted himself to show that he's not a limp noodle.
It's not that your criticisms are bad per se, because it's your opinion if you want Vader to be a bitch, it's just that you're being dishonest.
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No.25933
>>25911
>>25922
Let's make a concerted effort to analyze this with honesty and no personal attacks. Both of you see Vader as a dark jedi tool, and not as a Sith apprentice. I'm not saying this as an accusation, but let's look at what's been stated:
You do not want Vader to be trained by Sheev.
>Sheev does ignore and neglect Vader, because he views Vader as failed investment.
You do not want Vader to assert himself against his lessers when they pull their weapons out at him.
>Vader going on temper tantrums like a petulant child is neither compelling nor in character for him. Especially in the last scene with Tarkin, where he just spergs out for no reason
You want Vader to be permanently torn up about Padme, whom he tried to choke to death of his own volition.
>Vader should be an emotional wreck, he killed his wife, and he thinks he killed his children, all because he fell for Sheev's lies. Vader should hate himself, he should be self-destructive
You want Vader to be broken goods who just obeys Sheev for no other reason than because he's so mindfucked.
>Vader got defeated on Mustafar and turned into broken man
Whether you realize it or not, you two view Vader as a dark jedi failure, not as a Sith apprentice. You view him as dark jedi that's being used by a real Sith with no chance of becoming something more than a dark jedi failure. I get why you've come to this impression, but it really shouldn't be like this. Vader isn't able to fulfill his real potential of being the strongest force-user, but he's still powerful enough to be a Sith. And once he stops being powerful enough to be a Sith, then he gets replaced. This is what happens to all Sith who become weak, it's part of the Rule of Two. But the key here is that he is still a Sith apprentice.
That's why he calls Sheev his master.
That's why Sheev calls him his apprentice.
So I ask you again to give him a chance at being a Sith instead of trying to bust his balls for trying to be a Sith. Because it's more interesting this way. It's more interesting because we get to see how Sheev imparts his lessons, and because we get to see a different side of Vader that isn't just hopeless and without future until Luke "redeems" him. This is infinitely more interesting than Sheev being just a force of evil with nothing interesting to say, and Vader being just a broken puppet that does what he's told.
>That alienation is necessary
It isn't. It really isn't. Bane used Zannah as a tool. He trained other apprentices behind her back. But they still had a master-teacher relationship. That's what it means to be a Sith following the Rule of Two. That's what Sheev should be doing. Constantly challenge Vader. Constantly see if there's someone stronger than Vader. But also constantly teach Vader until something better comes along, because until then Vader is the best thing Sheev has at his disposal.
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No.25934
And I'd just like to point out that this comic really tries to say the same thing I am (so far). An example is this panel on Mustafar. It's showing how Sheev didn't give up on Vader being his apprentice, and sends him to be reborn as Sith.
>Here, you will reclaim yourself.
>From the site of your greatest defeat, you shall rise–strong, unbroken…
Isn't this better than Sheev just ignoring Vader until he needs an emotional bitch to wipe his ass? It's better for me, and I really can't say why you prefer the alternative.
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No.25937
>>25921
I didn't even realize they were changing lightsaber crystal lore because I was never big into the technical aspects of everything in the universe, but of course they are. It's so obnoxious. I remember being super annoyed at what The Farce Awakens did with yperspace/lightspeed and the part where they jump into the planet's atmosphere. That opened up so many problems, and then in The Last Jedi they made it so you can win any battle by light speed kamikaze through another ship, opening up the question of why they didn't do that to the Death Star?
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No.25938
>>25925
>it's your opinion if you want Vader to be a bitch
>HURRR, if he acts in character, he's a bitch!
Have you ever considered that it's not actually Vader that you like? But that you just like the power fantasy of being a powerful Sith with no limits? Vader is a broken Anakin, if you think Prequel Anakin was "bitch" then Vader should be even more of one. Personally, I don't think either of them were bitches, I think they were realistic depictions of a child who grew up without a father, who was destined for great things and had great power, but was never actually guided by anyone of worth.
The way Vader acts in these comics seems a lot more bitchy to me, lashing out at random bystanders (Clones, Guards, etc) and not being able to control his temper or channel it against those worthy of it, seems like bitch behavior to me. It seems like Kylo Ren behavior. But anyways, I'm gonna storytime the next five now.
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No.25939
I like that Vader is making adjustments to his armor, that's in character for sure.
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No.25940
Now we get the Filloni canon, this is such a drag. I never liked those Ninja looking guards with the yellow lightsabers from the CGI show, and I can't stand the shit from Rebels. Art is still good, but that's really all there is to like.
Jedi Temple is a fun environment, though, it always has been.
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No.25941
A lot of fight scenes in this series are filler. I can't bring myself to care about this part because I know this shitty character isn't going to die and Vader has nothing emotionally invested in beating this nobody.
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No.25942
Not a fan of the inquisitors are at all. Not just because they look absolutely retarded, but because I prefer the version where most remaining Jedi were tracked down and personally killed by Vader. I've never been a fan of more characters with red lightsabers, I think Vader and Sideous are enough. When you throw in all these Dark Jedi (and Jedi) at the same time period as the Empire, it just feels wrong. I didn't like The Force Unleashed either, so I'm not just shitting on Disney here. It was always a problem with EU writers wanting to making their own OC, do not steal, force users.
Also,
Why the fuck is the Librarian still alive?
Man, fuck off with this shit.
I don't know what happened to her in the EU, but I see no reason why she wouldn't have been killed during Vader's assault on the Jedi Temple in Revenge of the SIth. Are we supposed to believe he didn't kill any named Jedi while he was there? Looks like another filler arc full of shit that isn't actually interesting.
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No.25943
>>25938
>Have you ever considered that it's not actually Vader that you like?
That seems to be the case with the writers and fans of these comics. You'll even see examples of this in the comments section of Star Wars Theory or on forums like resetera. They just wanna see Vader go full super sith and destroy planets with ease rather than actually caring about plot while also hating the idea of seeing him at his most emotionally fragile or having any sincere character depth.
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No.25944
>>25938
I don't think Prequel Anakin was a bitch at all. He was selfish as shit, but not a bitch. Why are you putting words in my mouth? I think the Vader you imagine is a bitch who isn't a Sith, just a dark jedi, and you haven't addressed that point at all.
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No.25945
Dude looks like a fucking Ninja Turtles villain. Fuck, Rebels had horrible art design. Also, the idea that all these inquisitors are ex-jedi, I guess from the Jedi temple, raises a lot of red flags. Why would the Emperor risk having these people in his organization? Makes way more sense when the Jedi are actually eradicated and it's just Vader tracking down rogue force users.
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No.25948
>>25944
I didn't address your Sith/Dark Jedi tangent because I think it's a meaningless distinction. I know that there's tons of Sith lore about what Sith are and what their rules are, but it doesn't feel honest to me. Sith, the same as Jedi, is just a title. The Jedi Order in the Prequels is a bureaucratic mess, it's a corruption. I see no reason why Sheev's Sith would be anymore traditional than Yoda's Jedi were.
Whether someone is a Dark Jedi or a Sith is really just an opinion. The Rule of Two is a rule, not a law.
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No.25949
"Concern yourself with my beliefs." Is a good line and-
WHAT THE FUCK AM I LOOKING AT?
WHO IS THIS NIGGA IN THE TRENCH COAT WEARING GLASSES? HAVE WE EVEN SEEN GLASSES IN STAR WARS BEFORE? THIS NIGGA LOOKS LIKE HE JUST STEPPED OFF THE SET OF MIAMI VICE OR NCIS?
BRO, WHAT AM I READING?!?!?
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No.25950
>>25948
It's objectively more interesting if Sheev has a chance to speak about more than evil one-liners and if Vader is a character that is able to achieve some form of character development instead of being a broken character. If he were a broken character like that, then Sheev would've killed him way before ANH events. I don't want an all powerful Vader that can destroy planets and stuff like that, I just want a character that's mentally stable and not some puppet, because it's a more interesting character. I keep saying this and over and over you keep making your own belief of what I'm saying.
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No.25952
Okay, I can't get over this glasses shit. Why is Disney so deadset on abandoning the specific aesthetics of Star Wars? In the Last Jedi they introduce paper books, and now this nigga is wearing glasses and clothes that are indistinguishable from the real world.
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No.25953
I'm simply not buying any of this Jocasta stuff. She was a dumb Librarian who was so sure of the Jedi Archives that she assumed Kamino simply didn't exist. She was meant to be a representation of the failure of bureaucracy. This comic is blowing smoke up the ass of character that should never have been mentioned again after Revenge of the Sith. She probably got her ass shot by Clone Troopers while acting indignant and oblivious about what they were doing in the Jedi Temple.
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No.25954
Well, that's the end of this issue. I can't get over those pages with the glasses guy that looks straight out of a marvel comic. If you took those pages, and blacked out the holocron, no one in a million years would assume that it's a Star Wars comic.
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No.25955
>Kreia is the archivist
>She's old
>She's incredibly powerful and knowledgeable due to all the knowledge she watched over
>BEST CHARACTER EVER OMG
>Jocasta Nu is the archivist
>She's old
>She watches over the same knowledge Kreia did + another few thousand years of more knowledge
>OMG WHY DIDN'T SOME TROOPER KILL HER WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT REEEEEEEE
Just lol.
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No.25956
Sorry, but this ain't Star Wars. It just ain't. And I'm not nitpicking here, this is emblematic of everything wrong with Disney Wars, they simply do not understand that the Star Wars universe is not our world, it's an alternative world, it has its own internal logic, it has its own style and aesthetics that need to be maintained.
>>25955
>muh KOTOR
Not once have I praised KOTOR, and not once will I. I've actually made long ass posts pointing out how KOTOR is completely inconsistent with Lucas' vision for Star Wars and how it's nothing but bad fanfiction. It really doesn't surprise me that you want Jocasta to be a copy of another character, though. You Disney fans absolutely despise characters that have flaws or are unique.
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No.25957
>>25955
Also, it's like you didn't even watch Attack of the Clones. Jocasta is the opposite of wise, she's an arrogant librarian who thinks all of the knowledge in the universe is in the Jedi temple. She's meant to be an illustration of what's wrong with the Jedi. This comic is suggesting that she's actually a good person, and not a withered up old hag. It's putting my point of view about her in the mouth of Sheev, implying that the point of view one gets about her from watching the films is wrong. This comic is revisionist, it's bad. This comic is trying to turn her into a cool character because she has a vag, under Disney Jocasta is just Leia, or any other female character. She can do no wrong.
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No.25958
>remember how Vader chokes people? Remember?
>by the light
Wew.
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No.25959
>>25956
These are all from EU. I'm not counting goggles (present in the Prequels) and shades, either.
>>25957
You didn't read the issue again, did you? A big part of it was Sheev explaining how fucking arrogant Jacosta Nu is and how she's definitely going to try to do something stupid because of it.
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No.25960
Cool, more Ninja Turtles.
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No.25961
>>25959
>he posted fucking Ewok Adventures
Lmao, Who the fuck considers Ewok adventures canon?
>>25959
>You didn't read the issue again, did you? A big part of it was Sheev explaining
You didn't read my post.
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No.25962
>GUIZE, JOCASTA IS SO COOL!!!
>LOOK AT HOW COOL SHE IS, SHE HAS A SECRET LAIR!!!
>SHE'S SO COOL!!!
Yeah, no. This is terrible.
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No.25963
>>25961
Your post is baffling. You seem to think that whatever Sheev says must mean it's automatically wrong for some reason only you could discern. When this comic has Sheev be right more than once, and this is no exception. It's the same thing with you thinking Jocasta is presented as anything else but a jedi with obvious flaws. What makes her cool in how she's presented? The fact that she knows how to be an archivist?
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No.25964
I have nothing to say at this point, I'm completely bored and completely exhausted by this bullshit.
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No.25965
>>25963
>what makes her cool?
They are saying she survived the Jedi Purge, for one. Which automaticlaly makes her more skilled than all of the named Jedi we see get gunned down by clones. That means in Disney's eyes, Jocasta is a greater Jedi than Plo Koon, Aayla Secura, and so many others.
Then they have her being an action hero here, with a secret lair and more, which I'm sorry, is fucking stupid for her character.
This is Jocasta
She's old as fuck. She's not going to survive the Jedi Purge when much younger and fitter Jedi did not. I see no reason why she wouldn't have been at the Temple in Episode 3. I see no reason why she wouldn't have been gunned down by either clones, or killed by Anakin. I don't understand why you like this.
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No.25966
>>25846
>>25964
>>25962
>people are actually buying these comics
Bloody hell
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No.25967
>le XD!
This is some reddit shit. Don't tell me otherwise.
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No.25968
>>25965
Because it's such a fucking little thing to get tripped up over. There's countless secret passages in the Jedi Temple and it makes sense that Jocasta would be a priority to evacuate since she knows how to make holocrons, which not all jedi know how to do. What if she had help from all the other Jedi to escape, precisely because of that ability? You're not going into this with an open mind so don't pretend like you are. I wasn't throwing bitchfits when EU introduced shit like planets that gave force powers to people that weren't force sensitive, and more.
>>25967
Post the rest. I've been waiting for it.
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No.25970
>>25968
>because there was dumbstuff in the EU, that justifies bad storytelling by Disney.
I'm actually going into this with a completely open mind. I said that I liked the part with Vader fighting the Jedi on that other planet, I am giving you my honest opinion on this shit, if you don't like it, too bad. My honest opinion is that Jocasta, is an old fuck who got shot by clones and was not a super special action hero.
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No.25971
Another fight with characters I don't give a fuck about, great. A fight between characters that shouldn't even exist, great.
The only way this comic could make me even less interested was if they brought in Orange Buttcheeks.
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No.25972
>>25970
If you'd post the rest of the comic you'd see that she's not a super special action hero and that she gets BTFO'd fast by the spinny faggot. The same spinny faggot that got BTFO's in no time flat by Vader. It makes it obvious that with her lack of skill she would've had help to escape. Which again makes sense since she's the archivist. If you're gonna try to save anyone, it should be the one who remembers the most knowledge and can record it down.
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No.25973
>>25971
Didn't that old broad die in ROTS?
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No.25974
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No.25975
>>25973
In my opinion, yes.
>>25972
Great, she got beat by the Saturday Morning Cartoon villain, and then he got cockblocked by Vader.
>If you're gonna try to save anyone, it should be the one who remembers the most knowledge and can record it down.
Except she didn't actually know shit, as was shown by Obi Wan in Attack of the Clones. Her books are still there, so there's no reason to keep her alive. This plot is incredibly fucking dumb. She was never important, Disney just wanted to make her important because she's a woman.
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No.25976
HAHAHAHAHAH, so in this comic, both Vader and Sidious are dumber than the Inquister, HAHAHAHAH!!!
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No.25977
>>25975
Lol, if he wanted to make her important she'd at least beat the spinny faggot. But no, you know what happened?
She got cocky, because she's arrogant. She risked her entire mission because of her ego. And she fucked up.
What a fucking super special action hero, right? You could at least acknowledge what's trying to be presented here. Her ego would've lost her everything. But no, because you're dead set on sperging out like a fucking neckbeard sperging out about the PT.
>>25976
What are you even talking about now?
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No.25978
>GUIZE, THIS COMIC TOTALLY ISN'T TRYING TO MAKE JOCASTA COOL
Fuck you, Anon. This comics is absolute garbage.
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No.25979
Okay, I'm taking a break from storytiming this shit. I'll be back in a bit.
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No.25980
>>25977
She doesn't look like a powerful warrior but they're clearly trying to force her as a "cool character" with "awesome moves", when really she's just a glorified librarian. Even in the Clone Wars cartoon she got easily btfo by a changeling without so much as a struggle. Here she's jumping around and acting like a ninja wannabe.
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No.25981
I genuinely feel bad for people who like shit this stupid.
>grannies with guns, LMAO!
It's like their beta male brains are desperate for frail women to act like 80s action heroes. It's gets them off.
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No.25982
>>25979
Could you storytime the comics in this post? >>25846
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No.25983
>>25982
Once I'm done with this series, sure.
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No.25984
>>25981
She gets easily beaten but what makes this fight so obnoxious is how they try to set her up as courageous and undaunting with "badass" moments when really they could've at least picked a non-shitty jedi, but I guess this is how Kennedy likes it.
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No.25985
>>25984
It's all about being subversive, which is the opposite of what Star Wars is about. Star Wars is about relatable and understandable archetypes and mythos, not,
DUDE, WHAT IF THAT OLD WOMAN WAS LIKE A NINJA, AND SHE HAD A BIG ASS GUN, WOAH!
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No.25986
It's wrong that the jedi temple has some secret stash with weapons, and that some feeble old granny knows about it.
But it's ok that Padme can do some gladiator shit and kill dangerous predators with her awesome athleticism
And it's ok that Leia is a princess warrior that never fucking dies and kills Jabba in a YAAS QUEEN moment.
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No.25987
>>25986
And don't even get me started about the roastie empowerment in the EU, lol. With fucking Mara, Jaina, Katarn's roastie, and more. But no it's the fucking granny that needs a stashed jedi gun to even present any danger that's the problem. I don't even know if you cucks just lack self-awareness or don't realize that Disney didn't make this comic, they just hired some guy, Soule, who happens to have done some things right.
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No.25988
>>25925
>It's not that your criticisms are bad per se, because it's your opinion if you want Vader to be a bitch
>any response other than sperging is being a bitch
What kind of shit-tier logic is this
>dark Jedi
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
>You want Vader to be permanently torn up about Padme, whom he tried to choke to death of his own volition.
Did you ever stop to think that his trying to choke her was the reason that shit hit him so hard?
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No.25989
>>25986
>>25987
>I like trash and I'm angry that other people don't like it too
Why would the Jedi ever hide guns in their temples? Jedi despise guns, they view them as barbaric and uncivilized. You're an idiot, and this comic is shit. Keep on pretending it's not though, keep on calling us cucks, and incels, and neckbeards.
>Muh Padme
Padme didn't do anything unrealistic or absurd in the Prequels. So she hit a cat with a chain? Big deal.Your false equivalences are embarrassing.
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No.25990
This whole spergout makes this post >>25886 even more hilarious. Apparently it's ok when old granny roasties disarm Vader. That's based. It's only when the comic has an old granny roastie who works as the jedi archivist knows too much that it becomes problematic.
>>25989
>Why would the Jedi ever hide guns in their temples? Jedi despise guns, they view them as barbaric and uncivilized.
That's why the gun is hidden away in a vault you fucking idiot, lmao.
>So she hit a cat with a chain? Big deal.
Yeah, ok dude. Keep defending the roast. You don't even realize how much of a hypocrite you are.
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No.25991
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No.25992
>>25990
You're really obnoxious and you make me not even want to storytime this shit. You're so dishonest and stupid with your posts that it's infuriating. In the comic where Vader fights the Dark Lady, she is using the living force which all around them in the vegetation, and all he dialogue is really good, and she's an original character, she's not a character from the movies with a bunch of baggage. Vader also wrecks her, try reading it sometime. She also doesn't use and gun and she obviously is way more fit than Jocasta.
>dude, it totally makes sense that the Jedi would save some old gun in a vault
You're an idiot, they would just destroy it.
>roast
>roastie
Are you autistic? Why do you keep saying the same shit over and over again? Why do you even like this comic? Does Vader acting like a sperg make it easier for you to relate to him?
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No.25993
>jocasta, the bionic woman!
>the clones don't know who Vader is
This is so dumb.
When did Disney come up with this idea that know one knows who Vader is?
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No.25994
>>25990
>the roast
>lmao
>Eee Yuu empowers womyn too but worse guise
Go back to plebbit
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No.25995
>>25992
So an empowered OP granny is ok as long as she's OC. We never saw Jocasta fight in the movies, you really can't presume shit especially that Lucas made Yoda, Dooku, and Sheev stronger than most.
>You're an idiot, they would just destroy it.
You're a retard, it's a lightsaber-specific weapon, it would obviously be stashed in a vault that deals with force-specific things. If they have knowledge about Sith, they'd have this lightsaber-specific gun too.
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No.25996
LOL, VADER KILLS SOME MORE CLONES, HAHA, SO FUNNY, CLASSIC VADER!
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No.25997
>>25995
>lightsaber specific gun
Just stop.
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No.25998
GUIZE, THE CLONES DON'T KNOW VADER IS ANAKIN, EVEN THOUGH THEY SEE HIM IN REVENGE OF THE SITH AND HE LEADS THEM DURING ORDER 66, LOL!
THE 501ST? WHO ARE THEY?!?
VADER'S FIST?!? WHAT'S THAT?
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No.25999
>muh glasses nigga
>muh Luke
Imagine being the faggot that comes and tries to shill this trash on our board.
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No.26001
All I see are butthurt manchild tears. Literally nothing in it was that offensive, but you live off of being outraged on command. Look at yourself, you're sperging out that someone wouldn't recognize Vader in the armor from Vader as he was in ROTS.
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No.26003
>it's a vader gets judged by a ninja turtle that talks like a soy boy episode
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No.26004
>>26001
>calls other people manchildren and neckbeards
>spergs out and starts calling Padme a roastie
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No.26005
>>26003
>>25999
>>25998
>>25996
Nigga, why are you advertising this trainwreck? Just tell us what crap is in there.
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No.26006
>>26005
Because the OP was intellectually dishonest and was trying to pass this garbage off as gold. The best way for people to see that it's not is for them to see it themselves.
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No.26008
>>26004
>gets triggered over a granny librarian knowing jedi architecture because that's feminism
>defends Padme
pottery
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No.26009
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No.26010
>orc man no respect vader
>orc man is sassy!
Lol, so Vader will kill Clones, but he wont kill this guy? Okay, yeah, I totally buy that.
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No.26011
>this is supposed to be compelling
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No.26012
Yawn. Okay, I'm done. This comic sucks. There's nothing more to be learned. The art is fine, the writing is a step up from absolute dogshit, and instead lands in the territory of horseshit. Cool. Thread is over, have nice day, Troopers.
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No.26013
>>26012
Thanks for the comic dump, cuck. I wouldn't have saved it on my harddrive and spent the time posting each individual page so I'm happy I had you to do it for me.
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No.26014
this thread is a great example of why we should never respond to Disney posters or treat them as equals, Anon tries to give him the benefit of the doubt and storytime the comic, and the Disney poster can't stop spewing shit for ten seconds
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No.26015
>>26014
That's right faggot. Hide away in your safe-space where boogeymen can't hurt you. Stroke eachother's cocks in impotent outrage more.
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No.26016
>>26015
>Disney fans are so insecure about their own taste that they have to come to the one Star Wars community on the web that has rejected them to shill their nu-canon
get a life, fam
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No.26017
>>26016
I'm not a Disney fan, I didn't watch their cartoons, didn't play their games, and I hate the Sequels. This comic was decent for what it was (a comic) and presented something cool that I already talked about. But then purist cucks like you got all outraged about it while worshiping stuff that's way worse. Guess you just can't cure a manchild whose been conditioned to only like what he's been spoonfed for who knows how many years.
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No.26018
>>26008
padme is absolutely based. Pic related is a much more believable ending for Jocasta Nu.
>>26015
>safe-space
woaaah no shit lmfao
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No.26020
>>26015
>>26012
>>26017
>>26018
Why are you faggots arguing over a comic book?
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No.26022
>>26020
Because arguing is fun. This feels like an old fashioned nerd spat you would see in a 90s comic shop before everything went to shit. Back when comic readers would argue about the quality of a comic and its story which could fairly go either way and was free of political tranny or woke bullshit. Its an old fashioned kind of in-fighting that heats up the spirit and it frankly feels good seeing them fight over something like this, so let them keep going.
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No.26023
>>26020
Because it's hilarious seeing the sheer mouth-foaming outrage incels develop over it, and calling them out on it is fun.
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No.26024
>>26018
now that's what I like to see
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No.26025
>>26023
>incels
back to plebbit
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No.26026
>>25678
What terrible artwork.
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No.26027
>>26026
It's literally fine, sweetie.
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No.26028
>>26018
To be frank, seeing her get taken out like this is more satisfying. The Vader comic itself is pretty good for the first 5 or 7 issues before going to shit, but the stuff surrounding Jocasta is just lame even when compared to the other shit moments in the comic. Honestly, Marvel should've just stuck with keeping Vader's comic as a mini series.
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No.26029
>>26027
Palpatine's face looks fucking awful. The rest of the comic looks okay, but his face looks like Fu Manchu
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No.26030
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>25995
>We never saw Jocasta fight in the movies
We saw her in action in the Clone Wars cartoon and the ROTS game and she was a wimp there.
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No.26031
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play. >>26020
I don't know if there's anything particularily satisfying about it, but it sure as shit is more believable and far less distracting compared to the action hero Jocasta Nu I took a glance at just now.
video related is a video game version of the scene and Jocasta is voiced by the same actress that plays her in the film. Everyone else is voiced by the shitty cartoon VAs.
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No.26032
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No.26033
>>26031
>action hero
I liked the prequels, but I'm sure you must hate them. I mean if that was action hero-y to you, then the Geonosian Stadium scene, Yoda vs. Dooku, and Yoda vs Sidious must've been pure torture on you.
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No.26034
>>26033
>every character, even old women, should be as athletic as Anakin, Obi wAN, and Yoda
You lost. Your arguments are bad. Go home.
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No.26035
>>26034
Except Jocasta Nu wasn't and got btfo'd almost immediately. The Padme scene was much more jarring in terms of femme fatale action hero scenes.
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No.26036
>>26033
Actually no, I don't just like the prequels, I love them. Attack of the Clones and Sith are my favourite films in the saga. I'll admit I only glanced at a few panels of the disney comic while scrolling my way to the bottom, but Jocasta seemed surprisingly sharp there.
Ok, I scrolled back up, this is what I mean.
>>25993
That last panel where Jocasta says "heh" plus her jumping around and shit. I dunno about that.
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No.26037
>>26017
I want to agree with you man, but could you dial it back on the buzzwords? A lot of them have been so overused to death that they've lost all meaning and most who use them now are usually normalfags and newfags.
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No.26039
>>26036
Fair enough anon. The "heh" is in relation to Vader getting shot at by his own troops, but I get your point about blocking multiple blaster bolts for a while. It's a good point. I don't think it's that big of a deal, but it would've been better if she'd gotten overwhelmed faster, I agree.
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No.26040
>>26036
Now this is a mellow response that makes your point clear without sounding spergy, and as such I agree with you as well.
Also, I was told the most recent issues of the current incarnation of this shitty comic (something about "Fortress Vader") has time travel bullshit like the one in Rebels but with paradoxes in it. What are the chances the time travel shit will show up in IX too?
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No.26041
>>25846
How can a company with so much money be so cheap?
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No.26043
>>26041
That's why they have so much money. They refuse to spend it on talent.
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No.26046
>>25992
>Why do you keep saying the same shit over and over again?
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No.26048
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No.26085
The whole "you have to follow & mirror the film characterizations & logic" thing honestly bugs the fuck out of me. The films are anything but perfect, Lucas contradicts himself all over the place, and changed his mind so many goddamn times about shit trying to weave his "in the moment" mistakes into a whole far greater than it ever was, and failing, constantly belittling the great or genius bits by trying to cram his low talent period bullshit in to fit with them.
Disney fucking sucks & they have no idea wtf they're doing with most SW things, but there have been a scant few working under various parts of their umbrella who've tried to improve things, and not done "bad" work at it.
At its best under Lucas SW was still more often than not far better in concept than actual execution.
>>26026
Not quite "Liefeld" bad, but it's not "great". At its worst it's serviceable.
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No.26087
Also, thanks for storytime image dumping these, guys.
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No.26088
>>26085
Thank you for being a sensible and reasonable human being, anon. I wish more could be like you without resorting to a kneejerk outrage response. The same way RLM looked to the prequels attempting to analyze every little fault and blow it out of proportion while ignoring everything else, so too has been the case now.
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No.26091
>>26088
This is the most reddit post on this entire board.
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No.26092
>>25876
>Vader is not a character that needs more stories, he has a complete arc in the Six films that Lucas made. There's nothing interesting left to say about him
Could not disagree more. He's arguably the best character of all of it & there's a shit ton of gaps. The "post waking up in the suit" scene I especially appreciated; that's definitely one George should've touched on.
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No.26093
>>26088
I'm mellowing. Even 3 months ago it would've been all kneejerk. TLJ fucking cut me deep.
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No.26094
>>26091
Never touched the place, sorry to disappoint you.
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No.26097
>>25881
In the PT Padme was still alive.
This is all more or less right after he woke up & she was dead, because he thinks he killed her. I'd personally be offended if Vader wasn't looking to wreck any & everything.
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No.26101
I'll continue the storytime from where anon left off.
We have Vader returning to Coruscant after the assassination attempt. Apparently he modified the lightsaber so much that it looks totally different now.
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No.26102
>>26088
>>26085
>>26093
Nice attempt to create a false consensus here, at least change your flag before you post moron.
As for my take: While this Darth Vader series is the best I've seen from the new Marvel Star Wars regime, that is a very low bar to achieve. It might not have the annoying Mary Sue-pandering of Dr. Aphra or the garbage tier art of the main cast's comics, but it still feels very in-congruent with the films. Most of the fights seem like complete filler, the only one with any merit being the Jedi mountain fight. The comic would have been much better if we just spent a few issues of Vader going through the trials and tribulations to reach his target rather then spend it on meaningless filler that doesn't go anywhere.
Another thing that bothered me was that Vader seems to kill his own men at a whim. While he did choke Admiral Motti and other officers during the OT, those were for the purpose of putting someone in their place, and punishment for incompetence. He did not kill his own blindly without reason, and it seems very reminiscent of Kylo Ren's temper tantrum's in the sequel trilogy. Also, the fact that the Emperor did not tell any officers or clone commanders who Darth Vader was, is incredibly stupid. So much wasted resources and deaths could have been averted if the Palpatine just announced that Vader was his right-hand man and gave him some authority like he already should.
Jocasta Nu surviving would have been okay with me, if they had given an explanation as to how. From what the films showed us, she had spent most of her time in the Archives, and didn't seem to have much fighting ability. But zoom to this comic, she's just hiding out under a waterfall somewhere with her nigger (lover/slave?) who looked like he just walked out of Starbucks sipping his soy for the day. The lightsaber plasma gun was the dumbest shit I've ever seen, every fight between Jedi has been resolved with lightsabers. Lightsabers themselves are individually crafted on top of that, so to see a ranged weapon that melts lightsabers is baffling. If the gun needed a power source why doesn't it just use the actual crystal rather than the device around it? It's so baffling and just, not Star Wars that it defies me to find an explanation as to why they included it.
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No.26103
>>25893
>The filler in this series is unreal, but I get it, this is how Marvel does things, they pad everything out
In fairness, LF under George did the same shit.
They constantly made three book series of great material into 9 book series of averagely mediocre material through constant stretching, padding, and filler. Fate of the Jedi was probably the worst example; that one would've only been "alright" even as a trilogy.
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No.26105
>>26102
>nuh uh, YOU samefagged
Now why would I be that much of a faggot?
Newfag to this board, but not samefag. Only the latter two posts were mine.
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No.26106
Small tidbit of action, a second assassination attempt in the form of planetary defense trying to blow Vader out of the sky. Vader has enough of this shit and decides to confront Sheev about this directly. Sheev more or less ignores him.
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No.26110
And then a response. Some words of wisdom from Sheev toward his apprentice. He says that he doesn't test, he teaches, but that's a little bullshit. Or just not the whole truth. He tested and prodded around Anakin when he was still a Jedi, and he does it with Vader too. Still I enjoy that he's trying to share his philosophy with Vader. This is not long after Anakin's turn against the Order, so he really doesn't know much of anything about being Sith still.
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No.26112
We had two masked individuals talking about the Vader assassination attempts. It seems that some higher ranking members of the Empire are concerned about Vader and the obvious favoritism Sheev displays for him. They even attempted to turn the two against eachother. Vader comes up with a plan to prove his power in the Empire through a method that I'm sure a lot of you will disagree with. Even so, it's now clear that Vader is the Emperor's voice, and if someone is trying to get to Vader they'll invoke the the Emperor's ire doing so.
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No.26113
Overall I really like the depiction of Vader's meditation. The little light fluttery things get extinguished more as Vader gives in to the dark side. He is now beginning to fall into place within the Empire proper.
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No.26118
>>25903
Honestly this is part of the reason why this is a gap that needed to be touched on. I don't know if you've ever had your own "core" shaken & seriously compromised, but man, that fucking rage is all encompassing. And I've never had anything anywhere near as bad as what all Anakin had to come to grips with & adjust to in such a ridiculously short amount of time.
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No.26121
Vader is contemplating or dreaming of what would've happened had he used a different approach against Obi Wan. I like that this is where his mind is at, it's pretty clear he's not used to losing often.
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No.26123
We finally get some Tarkin. Unlike Vader at this point, Tarkin is focused on acquisition and not destruction. It would be great if Vader could learn a little bit from him.
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No.26125
We get some Mon Cala exposition. I suppose this is stuff from the cartoons, but I haven't watched those. Fish kang seems like a boring, generic character.
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No.26126
>>26125
is he the same fish stick they propped to power during the Clone wars series?
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No.26127
>>25939
>fucking force manipulating the tools to work on his armor while in the bacta
Beautiful touch. Really appreciate showing the engineering prowess that never really got touched on past TPM too.
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No.26128
I'll be honest. The Inquisitors is a fucking retarded idea. They're my biggest issue with this comic. Those ayyyylmao dark jedi are entirely useless and unnecessary. I don't know why they got included, it almost seems like they were forced in by some disney CEO that told Soule to include these fuckers in.
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No.26131
>>26128
We end by catching a veiled glimpse of the third Jedi on the chopping block. Outside of the inquisitors which make me groan every time, it's a good issue setting up the Empire intervention on Mon Cala. I don't think it's the Jedi who blew up the imperial ambassador's shuttle, but it doesn't look like it was Tarkin either. My guess is that it's the grey-colored fat Mon Calamari who seemed particularly hostile to the Empire.
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No.26132
>>26128
>miraluka without eyesockets
Seriously though, the designs of the Inquisitors are fucking cartoonish. Are they supposed to be intimidating?
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No.26135
>>25945
Personally never liked the inquisitors either, especially the fucking saber helicopter bullshit that should've been laughed out of the fucking room at the conceptual stage. Although I do think Rebels gets more hate than it deserves; it wasn't all *atrociously* terrible. Not like Resistance.
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No.26136
>>25953
She's a womerns, though. Seems to be a Disney decree that every single one from George's time gets elevated to Mary Sue status.
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No.26138
>>26132
If they're meant to be, then it's the biggest miss I've seen in SW. I hate the idea of the dark jedi to begin with, but the inquisitors especially turned up the faggotry to eleven.
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No.26139
>>26126
It seems like it's the same fish, he's clearly from the cartoons and Vader knows about him.
We find out that the Jedi is the Iktochi guy. Was he supposed to be dead, too? Or are we in the clear?
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No.26140
We're told that if they exposed Vader for being a "Jedi" it would've hurt Palpatine's image with the public, since he gave that big speech about the Jedi betrayal. It's a bit of a stretch, though. I doubt most people would've given a shit about it as long as the order is dismantled.
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No.26141
I like how Tarkin is in control of the situation and calmly adjusts to new developments. It really puts it in perspective why Sheev says he needs him.
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No.26142
>>25975
>YOU THOUGHT I WAS NEVER GOOD ENOUGH TO READ YOUR BOOKS
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
This is really forced, and seriously some fucking Monarch tier arching motivation.
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No.26144
Overall the art for this issue was impressive because you had a lot of stuff happening action-wise. The fighting, the whales and water devastation looked nice. The best part of both this and last chapter was Tarkin, though. I hope the inquisitors drowned and we won't see them again. I'll stop here.
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No.26146
>>25993
George started the "nobody knows who Vader really is" thing. Few in the OT are aware of it. Stupid of them to expand it even more than he did, but that's all they're doing.
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No.26148
>>26102
Now he's storytiming the rest of this that no one wants to read. I wouldn't be surprised if he wrote the comic himself.
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No.26150
>>26139
To clarify, that's a new character "Barr", not the Iktotchi Saesee Tiin that Sheev killed in ROTS.
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No.26151
>>26146
Then George made a mistake, because in the films we see that the 501st, Obi Wan, Bail Organa, and Yoda all know Vader is Anakin. There's no way other people don't know as well. The other clones would obviously be notified that Vader is the Emperor's second in command.
This comic is so stupid.
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No.26153
>>26148
Personally I appreciate the dump. Not a great series overall but it has moments. Could read it on the site but then we miss out on all the collective commentary.
>>26151
>Then George made a mistake
One on a long ass list.
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No.26154
Lets get some actual Vader up in this bitch.
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No.26155
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No.26156
Woah, look at this!
Vader is actually commanding Clones? He's actually serving as a General just like he did during the Clone Wars? He's actually acting in character? How is this possible?
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No.26157
Wait a sec, you mean to tell me you can have Imperial Officers and soldiers that aren't buffoons? What's going on here? How am I supposed to know that they're the bad guys when they aren't mindlessly slaughtering their own men?
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No.26158
Vader channeling his anger towards the Rebels instead of the people under his command?
So weird!
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No.26159
>>25687
>it’s public knowledge that Anakin is Vader
>somehow Luke doesn’t figure this out until he’s in his twenties
wut
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No.26163
>>26154
>"keep me sane my love"
>>26155
>"Lord Vader kneel before me"
>Tarkin has a son
>>26158
>what should we do with the prisoners
>drown them, make sure not to just shoot them that takes two seconds
>you have to drown them all individually that'll be more edgy
>literally a magical lady of the lake
Can I just ask you, do you really think this is better? Vader being just a robotic lapdog, a Grievous 2.0 but who also constantly thinks about Padme? Sheev being just there to sound and look evil and nothing else? I don't know why I even keep giving you chances, you've proven time and again how you only take pleasure in raging and throwing dishonest tantrums.
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No.26164
>>26159
The 501st and some officers knowing isn't the same thing as it being common knowledge.
>>26163
>Vader being just a robotic lapdog, a Grievous 2.0 but who also constantly thinks about Padme?
>tantrumming sperg or bitch are the only possible choices
We've been over this before retard, you're assuming that anyone who doesn't agree with your shit taste must advocate for this oddly specific characterization of Vader that only exists in your head.
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No.26167
>>26164
I'm not asking for a specific characterization of Vader. I'm only asking for a Vader who is Darth Vader, a Sith apprentice instead of General Vader, the robot lapdop with eternal oneitis.
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No.26168
>>26159
Luke doesn't even know who Vader is at first, and Uncle Owen deliberately is keeping information from him. You really think Obi Wan didn't tell the Lars' about Vader?
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No.26169
>>26163
>hurrr, you're trhowing a tantrum
>do you honestly like this?
Yes, yes I do. Because it's consistent with the Vader we see in the films. Vader is Palpatine's dog, that's literally his character, he almost lets Palpatine kill his own son. The Vader that you like, isn't present in any of the movies.
You don't actually like Vader, you just like his armor, and you like power fantasies.
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No.26170
>>26167
>hurrr, oneitis! muh roasties, muh 4cuck buzzwords!
Try watching the Prequels sometime. Padme is someone that saw Anakin as a slave, she's one of the few people who saw his true self, and still loved him. Padme was his only connection to a normal life. He went from being Watto's slave, to the Jedi's slave, to being Palpatine's slave. His only moments of actual freedom were with Padme, on Tattoine, on Naboo.
Try actually thinking about Anakin's arc once and awhile. Him being Palpatine's slave is not a good time, it's not fun. He killed the one person who ever truly loved him, and all because he fell for an evil old wizard's lies. Presenting the Emperor as anything other than a devil figure after Anakin has seen his true face makes no sense.
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No.26171
>>26169
>you just like his armor, and you like power fantasies
That's hilarious because I hate his armor, and the Vader in this 2017 comic is flawed to shit. You noticed it as well, he gives in to his rage and makes mistakes because of it, like killing the clones, killing Jocasta before Sheev could get to her, and destroying the force sensitive babby information. I just like that he's an actual character and not just a dog. I liked when Prequels expanded on Anakin's character and made him not just a dog. I like that he gives in to his rage at this point in time, because it makes sense considering he almost killed his wife in rage, too.
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No.26172
What's this? A female antagonist that actually acts like a woman instead of just being John McClane with tits?
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No.26173
>>26171
The very fact that he did kill his wife is what has made him less inclined to go into fits of rage. He is actively suppressing his own power because he realizes it can't give him the only thing he ever wanted, Padme's life.
Or do you forget that the only reason Anakin turned to the Dark Side was to save Padme?
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No.26174
>inb4 muh roastie
>inb4 muh oneitis
>inb4 muh MGTOW
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No.26175
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No.26176
I like how Vader has a modified black Jedi Starfighter in this comic. Considering he flew one through the entire clone wars, it'd be weird for him not to fly something similar before the tie fighters went into production.
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No.26177
>>26173
So if the death of Padme cured him of his rage, then why does he obey Palpatine unquestionably like a dog, you yourself said it's "not a good time". So why does he do it? You also said that Palpatine is just a devil-figure and nothing more than a despotic master. He's not a mentor. So then why does Vader stay with him? He's cured of rage, cured of any reason to stay to the Dark Side. He's evidently not broken enough to be useless and powerless. As a mechanic and engineer, he could easily live independently even with his burned body. Why did Lucas insist so much on making Sheev call him "apprentice"?
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No.26178
>>26171
>Vader in this 2017 comic is flawed to shit.
The fact that he's had a "flaw" artificially grafted to him doesn't make him a good character. Compelling characters have their flaws and strengths rise organically from their experiences, something this Vader clearly lacks. All you're showing here is that your standards for good characterization are so low that you'll say anyone that isn't a Mary Sue is a good character.
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No.26179
>>26171
>I hate his armor
Yeaaaah… I'm starting to suspect you're just baiting people at this point.
>not just a dog
That's the point of his character interaction with Sheev and why he would be willing to create plans to betray him. His story is not about being a badass, its about being a fallen hero with a broken spirit. Half the shit he does in these comics doesn't even match up with the broken and limited man we see in the original films.
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No.26180
What's this? A cunning Vader?
>>26178
He'll never have an actual conversation with us. I started the storytime earlier to try to actually talk to him and show him why the comic was bad, and he wouldn't stop calling me a cuck and crying over the fact that I had different opinions then him.
He's here to talk but not listen.
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No.26181
>>26177
>So if the death of Padme cured him of his rage
How can you fail reading comprehension this tgorothly?
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No.26185
>>26178
>Compelling characters have their flaws and strengths rise organically from their experiences, something this Vader clearly lacks
That's what happens, in my opinion. Prequels established two flaws with Anakin: he wanted to enact change by force without being limited by bureaucracy, and he could easily fall into fits of rage especially concerning the people he love, like the time he massacred the Tusken and choked Padme. That rage isn't limited to just matters concerning Padme, though.
>>26180
I am here to talk, but it gets exhausting when what I say gets intentionally misinterpreted to mean something else.
>>26181
He said
>The very fact that he did kill his wife is what has made him less inclined to go into fits of rage. He is actively suppressing his own power because he realizes it can't give him the only thing he ever wanted, Padme's life.
I'll go over it again
>The very fact that he did kill his wife is what has made him less inclined to go into fits of rage. He is actively suppressing his own power
He can suppress his rage. He's not "afflicted" by it, ergo he's cured of it.
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No.26186
>>26185
>being able to control your emotions means you don't have emotions
You're very low-IQ.
Here's what you don't get about Vader, he never became a full Sith. There was always a bit of the light side still in him, only Luke was able to sense it, but it was still there. You simply want Vader to be someone that he isn't, you keep on saying you want him to be a Sith, but he isn't a Sith, he's a broken man, who gave into the dark side in the hopes of saving a life. He didn't want power in order to dominate the galaxy for the sake of dominating the galaxy, he wanted power so he could keep those he cared about safe. He went down the wrong path, for the right reasons. I don't think you'll ever get this, though.
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No.26187
I like how we get to see the integration of normal human soldiers with the clone army in this series.
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No.26188
>>26185
>I am here to talk, but it gets exhausting when what I say gets intentionally misinterpreted to mean something else.
Use reaction images. That usually helps when people can't tell if someone's being sarcastic, emotional or apathetic.
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No.26189
>>26187
Same. For some reason human soldier and clone soldier interactions really seem to give some rather thought provoking results.
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No.26191
>>26188
>implying a redditor can learn our language
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No.26192
>>26186
This is what I mean. I said a massive flaw of his, is that he can't control his rage. You said that he can suppress it and channel it because Padme died so the reason for uncontrollable rage is gone according to you, so he's cured of that flaw. I didn't say you said he never feels anger, but that you said he doesn't fall victim to mindless anger. He's not afflicted by that flaw anymore according to you. He's cured of that flaw. This is what you said, isn't that correct? And then you twist my words that I said he never feels emotions. Do you see how difficult it is? Do you see why it's easier to just call you "buzzwords" instead of trying to have a discussion with you?
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No.26193
>woman getting carried by a man
>woman not fighting
>woman being a woman
This is some subversive shit in the current year.
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No.26195
>>26192
>He's cured of that flaw. This is what you said, isn't that correct?
No, that's not what I said. And you really do seem to have autism, which is fine, but stop pretending that you don't. What I said was that he is suppressing his rage because he remembers what happens when he gave into it, he destroyed the only thing he ever cared about. There is no longer any real motivation to be powerful. It's not that he's not getting angry, it's that he's depressed, he's apathetic, the person that makes him most angry is himself. He's not going to sperg out on some random stormtroopers or security guards, they have no emotional hold over him. He's not going to get angry at people that don't matter to him or that don't remind him of other people.
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No.26197
Vader telling his men to take cover? Vader defending his soldiers from an explosion?!?
It's almost like he's Anakin or something, and not Kylo Ren.
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No.26198
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No.26201
>>26195
>That's not what I said
You didn't say he can control his rage?
Even in this >>26186 post you implied that he can control his emotions (though I know you're referring specifically to acting out on mindless rage) but that doesn't mean he doesn't have emotions.
>What I said was that he is suppressing his rage because he remembers what happens when he gave into it, he destroyed the only thing he ever cared about.
The key thing to understand here is that he can suppress his rage according to you. Can we just accept that you think he can do this thing? Because if he can, then he's not a victim of falling (quite often) into mindless rage. I would dispute that, since we've seen Anakin act on his rage even before Padme with the Tusken, and with Dooku.
>you have autism
I don't, but I'm trying really hard to reach out and try to form an understanding. It's probably useless. I feel like I have to fight you over even the simplest statement, but I'm giving it an honest shot.
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No.26202
I wonder how Vader will react to this? Will he sperg out?
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No.26203
>>26140
>balance means eliminating the dark side entirely leaving only the light
Even after getting wiped out there's STILL fucking "masters" believing this idiocy.
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No.26204
>>26201
>since we've seen Anakin act on his rage even before Padme with the Tusken
Do you understand that that's something that happened in the past? And what was he angry about? Them raping his mother. So he killed them all. What was he angry at Padme for? For betryaing him. He's angry about that because he loves her. Once Padme is dead, there's no one left in the world that he loves. Think about that. Without anything to love, how can he have anything to be angry about? All that's left to him is despair and depression.
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No.26207
>>26204
>All that's left to him is despair and depression
No. There is also pain. A brutal fucking ton of emotional, physical, and spiritual pain. And in many, rage is born from pain.
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No.26210
>>26204
That's going to be a problem, because we don't know what happens with Anakin between movies. Do you remember how ROTS ended? It ended with Vader screaming in rage and messing up the entire place. And then we don't know what happened until the OT, where he's much calmer, but by then many years have passed. I know you're going to say that his
>NOOOOOOOOO
moment is when he exhausted all his rage after finding out about Padme's fate, but you really can't say for sure when exactly this period of rage ended. Please understand this. The movies don't show him to be depressed and apathetic. The last scene we see is him still being very passionately angry. I don't know why I'm repeating myself, it's probably because I know what I said will be misconstrued yet again.
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No.26211
>>26210
>The movies don't show him to be depressed and apathetic
They don't show him being a sperg either, so I guess it's left open to interpretation.
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No.26213
Oh, look at that, he even gives them a chance to surrender. Interesting.
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No.26214
>>26211
>They don't show him being a sperg either
Come on now fren, at what points prior to him waking up in a wearable iron lung, burned to fuck & believing he'd killed his wife, was Annie NOT depicted as an immature emo sperg?
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No.26215
>>26211
>I guess it's left open to interpretation
You know what, I'll take this, dude. Thanks. Maybe putting in some effort into this actually paid off. Fuck, I have no problem at all with your preferred version of Vader. Enjoy it my man. I just don't like being thought-policed on what I prefer when it's policing coming from a place of dishonesty, intentional or not. And I'm sure it's not intentional.
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No.26216
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No.26218
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No.26219
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No.26221
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No.26222
>>26215
>preferred version of Vader
That's really one of the problems with this whole series, honestly; because it's always been far better in concept than execution (and some parts of the execution have been truly atrocious) we all kind of have to make our own sense of things. Everyone has their own little headcanons; we can sway one another's to a certain degree, but some core bits of it are individually set in stone essentially.
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No.26223
>>26214
I think there's a difference between being awkward and being a sperg. Kylo is an emo with no legit reason for being that way, while Anakin was raised as a slave, then taken into a fucked up monastic order and forced to become a celibate while starting puberty. Anakin has all kinds of legit reasons for being odd, but it never felt spergy to me. When he kills the Tuskens, he's fully justified, that's not sperging, that's just righteous anger.
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No.26227
The reason I chose this comic is because it does show an angry Vader, and it shows why he gets angry, and explores what he thinks of himself.
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No.26228
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No.26229
Also, this comic has women who actually act like women, instead of having a bunch of butch dykes shooting guns and doing flips.
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No.26233
This is the Vader I like. I made the mistake of looking at the comments on that comics site, and there are Disney fans talking about how this comic is shit and how this Vader is one-dimensional unlike the amazing stuff Marvel has done with the character.
I guess I just have to admit I have absolutely nothing in common with modern Star Wars fans. I'm 24 and I feel like a boomer.
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No.26234
>>26223
Thanks for dumping some Dark Horse, btw.
>When he kills the Tuskens, he's fully justified, that's not sperging, that's just righteous anger
Fully agreed there. The sperging to me comes from his complete inability to articulate exactly what his (justified) problems with the Jedi are (viewing attachments as a path to the dark, but attachments to the ORDER & what it needs are totally fine, and this view coupled with truly shitty advice from other Jedi costs him his mother's life despite the force clearly screaming at him to save her; and he feels it will also cost him Padme), and it coming out instead in immense asspain & teenage attitude over Obi's faults & not being made a Master. Acting outside the order with shit like executing Dooku, yet still supposedly beholden to it, and constantly flip flopping around.
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No.26238
>>26234
That's a fair point. The fact that we all have our different takes on Vader is fun, and it allows us to have actual conversations and disagreements. The Disney version is however the complete opposite of how I always saw him. It pains me that the Dark Horse content is being shit upon by the people who buy Wendig books and think Rogue One is a great movie. The last thing I want is for anons on this board to start placing Disney content above Dark Horse content.
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No.26243
>>26222
The only thing that pisses me off is when people develop a subconscious group-enforced consensus on what's good and what isn't, and any deviation should automatically be taken out of proportion and chased off. This is what happened to the Prequels. Don't get me wrong, the Prequels have their faults, but some people acted like they were literally the worst pieces of trash ever that ruined SW. Disneyshit is basically always in the range of retarded to tolerable, but each piece of content should at least be analyzed on its own merit and demerit instead of following the herd of what's acceptable for whatever in-group you belong to.
And there definitely is this in-group bias, whether conscious or not. Just look at me. I got accused of being a disneyshill even though I never even bought anything disney, never went to the theatres. When the movies came out I was on /tv/ watching the leaks in webm format and laughing at how stupid it all was. I can guarantee that I consumed less Disney media than most anons here calling me a Disneyshill. Then there's the reddit boogeyman–it's the same story there, I don't visit because I couldn't be assed to make an account.
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No.26247
>>26243
You got accused of being a Disney shill because you came in and started shitting all over Dark Horse and promoting a DISNEY comic.
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No.26248
>>26228
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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No.26249
>>26238
>The last thing I want is for anons on this board to start placing Disney content above Dark Horse content
I really don't think that's much of a concern with anyone who was a fan before the buyout; however even I can only reread DH & EU stuff so many times. This isn't like some other "franchises" save for Marvel/DC; this shit has existed for four decades & many of us have carried it in us since childhood for the bulk of that time. It's not something that's going to go away on its own, and trying to excise it would take with it a core chunk of who some of us are.
I find myself in a stage now of trying to pick through it like a kid tossing out the lettuce from my lo mein, adding the small scattered bits I like while tossing the rest.
All that said, it's "smart" for them to try & use the chunks of time not spoken on in their new "official" canon to nudge Vader's personality to more closely mesh with Ben's, especially given the idolization. Their canon is shit but it's not like they're going to walk it back at this point, they're clearly "all in".
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No.26251
>>26243
>he wants to debate on any of the chans in good faith, without being accused of kikery or shillery & getting echo-chambered out
Good luck.
Seriously, though, there's a huge tendency in discussion about anything "hot button" to begin going off on tangents & counterarguing people other than the one you're directly interfacing with. Nearly ubiquitous it seems. I try to just toss all of that irrelevant garbage & focus on the actual points & counterpoints instead, not even speak to it. Doesn't mean I always succeed.
TLJ & the Disney tactic of going full retard ad hominem on the fanbase left a lot of deep cuts, however. I don't blame anyone for universal lashing out at them or anything from them.
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No.26252
>>26249
>they're clearly "all in".
>have ignored all the negative reception on their new media
>wasting billions trying to keep this shit afloat
>make no attempts to try and fix things while pretending everything is fine as it burns down
Man this timeline sucks.
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No.26253
>>26247
Hey, I'm not complaining. I actually found it funny. Doubt SW is going to survive long-term without being run into the ground, so we might as well have our fun now.
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No.26256
>>26243
>The only thing that pisses me off is when people develop a subconscious group-enforced consensus
It seems to me you've taken this notion to an irrational extreme, and have started to assume that your opinions hold more water than the natives here by virtue of your being contrarian. Admittedly, imageboards are to some degree guilty of doing this on a macro scale.
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No.26257
>>26252
>make no attempts to try and fix things while pretending everything is fine as it burns down
Personally wondering how long that kind of retardation on their part can possibly last. It's mindblowingly idiotic.
>Completely fuck Luke up in TLJ, one of if not the main core draw character for most of the oldschool fanbase
>blame the fans who didn't like it entirely & keep tripling down on that despite the blowback fucking tanking a partner retailer chain due to massive lost sales
>completely ignore having contracted access to said actor, who also happens to be a renowned voice artist, and do jack fucking shit with him in the last years of his life and thus availability
If Mark dies having done nothing else as Luke, no even small taste of Grand Master Skywalker before he ran off to shitpost about "tfw no Mara Jade" on Kaczinsky planet, that shit should be technically classified as a war crime & Disney parks should get carpet bombed. (It's a joke, alphabet employees).
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No.26262
>>26202
That whole comic isn't any good either but still preferable to that retarded shitshow of Jocasta Nu or a spic family lasting against Vader for more than a second on that shitty biker cantina.
If anything, I feel Vader got harshly mistreated by every EU author after ep III released, they pretty much turned him into a jobber, getting his armor shredded the fuck out on every fight against random shitters or no-name useless jedi, a trend that Disney-turned fags gladly continued.
I don't know why the fuck that shit even started, portraying Darth Vader as being weak and pathetic, it's ok to show he has inner conflict, that's the whole fucking point of his character on ep VI, but making him job on fights feels really perverse from the authors, it's almost as if they were making a deconstruction of what Vader is.
Darth Vader is supposed to be strong and evil, he commands and aura of authority and chokes officers who dare to talk back, so they make him vulnerable, in a physical and mental sense, and portray him as being really petty. There's a dark horse comic where he throws a cripple imperial officer, who was his sidekick for that mission, out of a balcony because the guy found favor with the emperor, which felt as it was a caricature of villainy instead of sith lord behaviour.
I never liked what they did with Vader in the EU, the portrayal was inferior to what was shown in the films, I wonder if some of that came from authors lashing out against the character of Anakin Skywalker, which was shat upon really hard for years due to prequel bashing faggotry.
Hell, I think Vader got better treatment out of the Tales series than from his oneshots or Empire.
Perhaps i'm looking at this as if it had any depth, when it's something that's devoid of it. They just make Vader job on fights so they can have some cheap tension, and uniforms getting shredded is a staple of comicbooks, no matter how badly that reflects on his fighting skill.
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No.26264
>>26256
I've got no clue what /sw/'s consensus on Vader was, I just stated my opinion which ended up being the opposite of what /sw/ wanted. I got into this to begin with because I checked /co/ and saw this and thought it was dumb as hell. Here you have big bad Vader not even being able to sleep if he hears about slavery. I know it's supposed to be touching or something, but he's also supposed to be someone you can respect as an antagonist I think. That's why I dislike forcing his obsession over Padme, and forcing this shallow "I obey because I'm broken" concept.
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No.26266
>>26264
And because I know you fags will bitch at me about it, yes I know Anakin was obsessed with Padme. But she's dead. I'm not saying memories of Padme shouldn't be used because she's obviously an important character to him but does he really have to think about a dead chick 24/7 for fuck's sake.
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No.26272
>>26266
>>26264
He's honestly the kind of character that works far more effectively if you don't break the mysteries of who he really is, or his own personal thoughts & motivations. The PT revealed too much, and too much of the characterization he got in them was George trying to fix the ROTJ problems with him after table flipping all his plans following the divorce & forcing Vader through what should have been at least one more trilogy's worth of character development.
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No.26273
>>26262
Not every Dark Horse comic has his armor get shredded.
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No.26274
>>26272
>forcing Vader through what should have been at least one more trilogy's worth of character development
in one film instead of 3-4.
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No.26276
>>26273
Aye, Ghost Prison is a good example of Vader being in control during a comic. He even goes against Palpatine's wishes, too.
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No.26318
>>26262
>There's a dark horse comic where he throws a cripple imperial officer, who was his sidekick for that mission, out of a balcony because the guy found favor with the emperor, which felt as it was a caricature of villainy instead of sith lord behaviour.
You mean the Gentis Coup? That was during the very early days of the Empire, Vader wasn' the seasoned sith lord, he was just entombed in his armor. It wasn't "Vader got his armor = blam, he was the veteran dark lord who doesn't act stupid".
> which felt as it was a caricature of villainy instead of sith lord behaviour.
Not really, there was a whole story building around that and it was tied to previous Empire comics. Trachta (the very same guy who would try to depoose the Sith) warned Tohm about throwing his lot with Vader. Palpatine rubbed in Vader's face that Tohm could be considerate a replacement for him.
Vader killed him because "not suffer a rival to live", he was younger, prone to rashier actions, early in his sith tutelage and disputes in the imperial court. It was to show is first steps in cold blooded, political motivated murder. He killed without anger, without joy, he killed Tohm because he was a political threat. Just like when he killed commander Vill who basically confirmed that Palpatine had contigency orders against him. "He fell", he killed the clone to avoid him telling the Emperor about Vader inquiry on the subject.
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No.26319
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No.26332
>>26318
>That was during the very early days of the Empire, Vader wasn' the seasoned sith lord, he was just entombed in his armor. It wasn't "Vader got his armor = blam, he was the veteran dark lord who doesn't act stupid".
You better not have posted in this thread before now.
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No.26337
>>26264
That's a great fucking moment. I can't even comprehend how stupid someone can be to not understand that Anakin wanted to become a Jedi to free the slaves, and then he finds out that he's spread more slavery throughout the galaxy. You might actually just be a really shitty person since Vader having a soul pisses you off.
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No.26340
>>26085
>At its best under Lucas SW was still more often than not far better in concept than actual execution.
nope, kys
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No.26346
>>26337
You might actually just be a little bitch if you think having a Dark Lord of the Sith not even be able to cry himself to sleep over the existence of slavery is good. He should get angry. Upset. Conflicted. Pensive and determined. That's what Prequel Anakin would've done. He's the right hand man of the Empire, if he wanted to he could go around freeing any slave he wants with a snap of his fingers. Nobody would give a shit or tell him no. Instead what does he do? Sulk all night long like an impotent retard. And you faggots call this good writing. If it wasn't in the EU and something you grew up with, and if it was presented now, you'd say that it promotes "soyboy" behaviour or something like that. But no, it's fine because you grew up with it and your little circle-jerk that also grew up with it also agrees with you.
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No.26347
>people talking about how a shitty new thing the Inquisitorius is
Uhm… are you guys aware that the Inquisitorius is an EU thing since the 90's or something?
Malorum? Hydra? Tremayne? Brand? Jerec for fuck's sake?
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No.26349
>>26346
You dont understand the relationship of Vader and the Emperor and the difference of power between them. Vader was Palpatine's slave to the point of nullify himself in his presence. It was something that everybody knows. Just watch RoTJ or read the novelization. Palpatine was a black hole in the Force, is presence was enough to make even Darth Vader feel like a nobody.
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No.26350
>>26349
Sheev would give no shits if Vader wanted to free whatever slaves crossed his path. Sheev doesn't even give a shit if Vader kills one of his moffs on a whim for fuck's sake. Vader is the second in command of the entire Empire and his word is law. You act like Sheev would get triggered if Vader decided to free up some slaves, which is abnormally retarded even for this place.
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No.26351
>>26347
They're talking about the new inquisitors which look and act like shit. As well as that corny saber copter shit they do which now all of them have (and that was certainly never standard issue with them before). The only one that hasn't been complete shit was the nameless pauan from Rebels.
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No.26354
>>26264
>but he's also supposed to be someone you can respect as an antagonist I think.
He's not. He's basically the victim of the Emperor's fucking manipulation and mind fuckery who exists only to exercise his will. He's a fallen hero whose lost his way, not fucking Darkseid or Thanos you faggot.
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No.26356
>>26347
Don't you fucking dare to compare Jerec with yidsney's band of foot clan rejects.
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No.26357
>>26354
Literally only this places is so stuck up its own ass to think this. The only place where he's this pathetic lapdog who exists just to follow orders and has no spine is from your fanfic. In the movies he killed a host of Jedi and even Palpatine himself after being injured from his fight with Luke. In the movies he's presented as Sheev's apprentice, not ass-wiper. In the movies he killed a moff on a whim just for disappointing Vader and didn't give a shit. Luke forgave him and "redeemed" him from the dark side, he didn't give him fucking therapy sessions to get over his depression.
It's only in your fanfic that he's mindbroken. In your fanfic, he can't even free a slave out of fear of Sheev even though Sheev wouldn't give a fuck. In your fanfic, he's can't even sleep because of how much of a tormented soul he is. I don't even like Vader, but your fanfic is garbage, bruh.
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No.26364
>>26357
>fanfic
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it does.
Also, that thing about slaves in ye olde canon was a manipulation of Palpatine, not fear of him.
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No.26368
>>26357
In the movies Anakin only chopped Mace Windu hand, moved in to kill the jedi children, and was show facing Cin Drallig and his apprentices. And as Vader he never killed a "moff". He killed only 2 officers, admiral Ozzel and captain Need. Both waaay lower than a moff.
Check your facts straight if you want to use the movies as hard facts
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No.26370
>>26347
lol wut? The only thing Disney's inquisitors have in common with the old inquisitors is the name and color of their lightsabers. These new guys look and act like faggots. Their designs look like something from out of someone's deviantART gallery.
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No.26373
>>26364
Call it fanfic, headcanon, call it whatever you like, I don't care. If Lucas wanted Vader to be a traumatized ass-wiper, he wouldn't have presented him the way he did. There's a reason why he has the same title (Darth) as Sidious, even though we know Sidious is the master and him the apprentice.
>>26368
Thanks bro. You missed the fact that he killed Kenobi but other than that great work polishing up my post with the correct info. Point still stands though.
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No.26374
>>26368
>Both waaay lower than a moff.
An Admiral isn't 'waaay' lower than a moff.
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No.26375
>>26346
>You might actually just be a little bitch if you think having a Dark Lord of the Sith not even be able to cry himself to sleep over the existence of slavery is good. He should get angry. Upset. Conflicted. Pensive and determined. That's what Prequel Anakin would've done. He's the right hand man of the Empire, if he wanted to he could go around freeing any slave he wants with a snap of his fingers. Nobody would give a shit or tell him no. Instead what does he do? Sulk all night long like an impotent retard. And you faggots call this good writing. If it wasn't in the EU and something you grew up with, and if it was presented now, you'd say that it promotes "soyboy" behaviour or something like that. But no, it's fine because you grew up with it and your little circle-jerk that also grew up with it also agrees with you.
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No.26376
This thread has become an absolute dumpster fire.
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No.26377
>>26357
>you guys are the minority, so you're wrong
You're free to go back to reddit or 4chan where the majority shares your opinions. Or perhaps on some level you realize that this board is better than those places. Maybe you ought to meditate on why this board is better than those places. You might just realize that you are wrong.
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No.26378
>>26376
That's what happens when you let the Mouse into your house.
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No.26403
>>25955
Kreia did a hell of a lot more than just sit in a library. She went out and searched for the knowledge the Jedi lacked. She came to a new perspective with that knowledge that defines her as an interesting character. Jocasta Nu did none of that and pretending the two characters have anything more than the most superficial similarities with so much painfully half-assed snark while doing so outs you as a cancerous Disneyfag. Now go back to Reddit.
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No.26407
>>26403
What's with Disney fags and only being able to refrence Knights of the Old Republic stuff? Is it because J. J. said that he loved those games?
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No.26408
>>26407
J.J. said a lot of things. His supposed love of KotOR doesn't show in his writing, much like this Disneyfag who obviously never played KotOR 2 or he wouldn't have made such a stupid statement.
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No.26411
>>26408
But muh Kyle Ren's blade hilt!
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No.26551
>>26340
I fucking love this shit, man, but let's not delude ourselves. ESB is by far the best one & nothing since has approached the bar it set. TPM being a comparative masterpiece to anything mousewars doesn't erase its glaring issues.
George is as bad at some things as he is brilliant at others.
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No.26555
>>26354
>He's basically the victim of the Emperor's fucking manipulation and mind fuckery who exists only to exercise his will
The PT did an incredible disservice to this concept, trying so hard to get it across on a lowest common denominator level it gets dumbed down to the point where it comes off as some kind of sadohomo grooming & requires headcanon gymnastics to get Vader's balls out of Sheev's purse again.
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No.26556
>>26555
>>26551
>le prequels R BAD, guize!
Go back to 4chan, cuck.
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No.26557
>>26556
"We've been shown now how much worse they could have been" is not at all the same thing as being "good". They weren't franchise killing. They also weren't fucking high art.
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No.26560
>>26555 (checked, but wasted)
>sadohomo grooming
M8, you need to get your head out of Foucaultland if that is how you saw things. While you're right about the Prequels being heavily flawed, I don't think George's autism would allow for something that depraved.
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No.26562
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No.26564
>>26560
>I don't think George's autism would allow for something that depraved
I don't know that his autism would've let him see it; there's a lot of shit in the PT he probably thought came across as he intended that then had to be clarified in novels & TCW.
If you look at the movies by themselves it's never really all that clear why Annie specifically falls for Sheev's weak pickup artist type tactics, and a lot of the lines Sheev uses on him come off that way with how they got delivered in those particular takes.
At least to me, I can never discount my own retardedness.
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No.26978
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No.26979
Scenes like these is why this comic is great.
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No.26980
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No.26981
>>26979
>Scenes like these is why this comic is great.
PFFFFF >>26936
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No.26982
>>25836
>That's people worshiping something different from Jesus.
That’s a pretty effective definition of devil-worship.
>This is why Christians are hated, because they have to make everything about them.
Right, it’s merely a complete and total coincidence that the “Western World” just so happens to be geographically and culturally contiguous with “Christendom” LOL
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No.26983
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No.26988
>>26979
You used to be such a decent poster, then you had to go full tryhard and contrarian. over a mediocre comic that's just a power fantasy. I mean I could even partly understand liking this garbage during its 2015 run, but shilling for Aphra too? Have you no standards?
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No.27000
Lmao, niggas were defending this shit unironically a week ago.
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No.27137
>>25956
>Sorry, but this ain't Star Wars. It just ain't. And I'm not nitpicking here, this is emblematic of everything wrong with Disney Wars, they simply do not understand that the Star Wars universe is not our world, it's an alternative world, it has its own internal logic, it has its own style and aesthetics that need to be maintained.
All true.
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No.27154
>>26551
>ESB is by far the best one & nothing since has approached the bar it set
if you unironically think that, ok. But, you should know that everything you like about ESB is because of Lucas
>>26557
>They also weren't fucking high art.
yes they were and are. They elevated the franchise. Lucas only got better with age.
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No.27164
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No.27165
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