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>>2503

Most based.

Does anyone actually use the "energy ball" technique here >>386 for practical applications? I see variants of it everywhere but whenever I try it it feels clunky and unnatural. If I want to do something like make a thoughtform that brings luck it seems simpler to just imagine it with all my senses and hanging over me or my house or something emitting its effect rather than literally shape it with my hands.

>>2547

Then do it the way it feels natural to you.

>>491

Hi fren, from checking out your later posts, from what I understand you consider RHP practices to have the goal of realizing the individual soul, while LHP to mean destroying the individual soul to merge with the All. I would like you to please suggest RHP books or practices, the most I know about is basic luciferianism that you can find with Michael W. Ford as well as the concept of the Qliphoth.

Magic is actually really easy. A lot of people try to complicate it because they want to do work.

>>2767

If you mean causing a specific event that has already great odds at happening to happen, then I agree. But from there on it gets hard.

Can you move objects with a lot of power only by using your mind? Can you perfectly predict the future and gather information via psychometry? Can you teleport your body?

I doubt it. Because this high level (for us) magic is extremely hard to manifest.

But I agree with that people create unnecessary workZ

>>2855

You could saturate yourself with energy 24/7 in order to FORCE yourself to practice and adapt. But you risk going literally insane or causing some kind of harm to your body.

>>2856

How could I constantly saturate my body, or even a part, without 24/7 focus? Creating a construct strong enough to generate this seems too far out of reach for me. If you know of any entity that helps with this and doesn't want you to become its eternal slave, please let me know. If there's a sigil or ritual for this purpose I would be grateful if you share it.

>>2859

I used Rider-Waite tarot cards as a way to get some help with advancing from my "higher self" (I see it as maximum potential) yesterday and I got the cards

The World, 4 of swords and 5 of swords. Their placement was intuitive in a triangle, the world being at the top, 4 of swords at the bottom right and 5 of swords at the bottom left.

I interpreted it as the world being the perfected self in the future and the other cards as consciousness (5 of swords) and subconsciousness(4 of swords).

The consciousness looks away from the subconsciousness and the subconsciousness is sleeping/meditating, so I thought maybe I need to get more in touch with my subconsciousness by meditating.

But that can't be it, right? I think what I got yesterday kind of matches your advice, but I fail to accept that this should come just by being more aware of the subtler being.

And even if that's the key to success in this endeavor, there probably exists some form of shortcut or boost.

>>2856

Seems like an idea, but the HOW is what interests me.

I started reading Rober Bruce's Energy Work today, cool that you mention it now.

And thanks for answering so fast and good.

Would doing third eye excercises before starting any of this help with being able to actually see energy instead of trying to only sense it?

>>2860

>Rober Bruce's Energy Work

I think NEW Energy Ways is the best one for this.

>>2859

>watching your thoughts until you start to hallucinate them

I can do this when I’m in deep meditation, but I want to be able to do it all the time. Is there a special way to get to that or simply grind?

>>2858

>Creating a construct strong enough to generate this seems too far out of reach for me. If you know of any entity that helps with this and doesn't want you to become its eternal slave, please let me know. If there's a sigil or ritual for this purpose I would be grateful if you share it.

I just made something like this and have been sharing it around a bit. It's somewhat inspired by falun gong but it's more of a cleansing device for removing karma and stimulating your growth of gong. It looks like a part of a wheel/grinder made out of a metal sheet. Internalize it by placing it over the dantian (abdoman field) and it will make use of the natural cleansing force of the body to drive a one way spinning motion.

If you know the horse stance exercise for gong often used in kung fu (gong fu) this will serve the same function except 24/7 and less intense.

I can send you one and you can see if it fits. Doesn't work for everone.

>>2870

Last few weeks I had been thinking of someone making something akin to this and posting it here. Could you see if it fits in my case?It might even be the exact same thing i 'saw' depending on what was meant by energy.

>>2875

I've been actively working on it for a month or so, finished and started sharing it a few days ago.

It looks like it would work, I've sent you one. If it attaches it's because you intentionally or subconsciously internalized it. This is not really a device in the same sense as the other ones shared on here, it can't be stored someplace, it has to be in function or not at all in this form.

I made one which is a folded up version in a box, this one can be stored as an artifact but you need to be able to unpack it to use it. Should be accessable by the sigil as well but may take some more work.

Because I based it on northern tiger kung fu it unintentionally has a self defense function which grinds down hostile energies. That's a side effect though, its main purpose is to build your gong.

>>1132

I suppose i can explain this more succinctly, since it was my position for a few deades of strict materialism.

>red pills fixed it

But basically, if everything can be understood then everything can be controlled, it's fear reaction and a response of creating a view of the world that eliminates the threat of anything greater then a black hole or a pulsar.

Me taking neitzsche to heart, if i find anything of merit in this will just incorporate it into the next iteration of my designs.

Furthering the complexity of my systems and their capability of ordering the universe to bring it out of entropic slow-death and into at least stasis.

Then we start talking about using that energy to warp space-time.

Does anyone remember the name of that famous website that taught energy manipulation? It was taken down, but there is a zip folder that contains the entire site.

>>3313

You need to change the extension to .epub after downloading. Otherwise 8kun wouldn't let me upload it.

Does anyone here have experience with killing people using magic? I've been experimenting using death-flavoured thoughtforms on twitch streamers to see what I can do, and while I can usually make them uncomfortable enough to leave the stream it seems that to actually end one's life I must put out a spell of such magnitude as to overpower the subject's innate Will-to-life, which seems extremely difficult. Is there some way around this?

>>3526

You are free to delete the posts about this if you don't want them here or you think this cannot be talked about here. I don't actually care about karmic debts, this is too mechanic for me. Killing someone feels wrong to me no matter how I look at it, forward and backward, left and right, up and down. I just don't know if I'm trapped in delusion or if I'm onto something. I don't want to kill anyone and never will, not even animals or plants as far as I can help. Killing is part of maya and property of the corrupt demiurge, above which I strive to elevate myself.

>>3527

This topic beyond karmic debts is nonsensical to me.

>maya

>demiurge

I consider these concepts mental constructs that appeared within a narrow, specific and deluded theoretical philosophy. They only seem to refer to states of mind perceived within this context which is indeed itself an illusion.

As I don't see a need for the existence of these concepts to begin with, I have no interest in trying to understand what they are supposed to mean. For this reason any discussion on the topic is uninteresting to me. Do as you like. If other anons want to discuss it to untangle from them, do so.

I'm just objecting to the things bordering to fedposting. One wrong turn there and what you posted may look like conventional conspiracy to commit what is called a "crime" in modern days. Those things are not allowed on 8kun.

>>3528

>As I don't see a need for the existence of these concepts to begin with, I have no interest in trying to understand what they are supposed to mean. For this reason any discussion on the topic is uninteresting to me.

This is perfectly legitimate and fine in my book. But the more you are unwilling to study all kinds of different concepts the less you can understand what others mean, assume their point of view and have interesting discussions with them. In the end, you can only talk about stuff with people who are on the exactly same level as you, which is very, very rare to find. Yes, for me the demiurge and maya are states of mind, states of illusion the unenlightened is trapped in. It is nevertheless legitimate to name them this way and to talk about them in this manner imo because they are quite real as long as you are trapped in them. I read a lot of books and try to study a lot of spiritual/magical directions, because I want to understand the big picture and to understand where all the different people who talk about this stuff are coming from. Eventually, you understand what everyone means and the puzzle falls into place. I even read the bible from beginning to end just to see if I can find anything good and to be able to relate and verify to what christfags are talking about. It also helps me not to get stuck in one place and to keep moving on.

I understand your point that the topic beyond karmic dept is nonsensical to you. Maybe I'm just deluded and too sentimental. Maybe I just have too much unreasonable sympthay and empathy for living things. But karmic debt is nonsensical to me in the first place. To this day I fail to grasp how karma is real, how it is more than pure cause and effect, or just simply negative energy. But bear with me for I might get there eventually. Might…who knows.

>>3523

>This is not the line of discussion this board is for.

I thought the board was for developing one's magic skills? Discussing death operations seems to fall within that purview.

>but it also looks like fedposting

Unless you live in Saudi Arabia there's nothing illegal about this. And I'm fairly confident that the feds are too brainwashed by their materialist gods to have anything like a secret MiB wing, but if you have encountered anything like this it would be in our best interest to hear about it.

>>3525

>>3527

Fact of the matter is, if you want to live as a sovereign individual in the physical world you're going to have to have the will and ability to assert your sovereignty, through infliction of death if necessary. There's always going to be groups and entities who are willing to destroy your body if you refuse to give them consent of your Will. Just look at the knee-bending and ceremonies of submission that the PTB are demanding under the pretext of covid. Look at the practice of taxation. These groups literally think of individuals as chattel, and no amount of love or reason will change their minds on this point. They're always willing to escalate to black conflict rather than acquiesce their fancies of dominion, and black conflict always trumps the higher vibes of conflict. Throw reason at a dog and it will just rip your throat out.

So what's the solution? You have three options: give the enemy your Will (unacceptable), let the enemy destroy your flesh out of 'love' for them, or answer violence with violence.

If it were that easy to kill via karmic repercussions we wouldn't live in a world dominated by vile individuals.

I thought you'd be post Liber Falxifer. I'm surprised you didn't.

>>3531

>If it were that easy to kill via karmic repercussions we wouldn't live in a world dominated by vile individuals.

It isn't because a majority of humans are rotten enough to be removed. Who are you going to get rid of based on karma when 99% of them are sinners to the point they should be exterminated in the eyes of gods? You'd have to look at the larger structure of society and where it's meant to move, treating individuals as mere mules carrying on the remains of culture for someone to pick up later on. It would be pointless and futile to start removing them for being sinners. The same story is told in the bible where an entire generation had to perish in the desert before they could move on.

If your motivation is self defense, then you're protecting yourself and should talk about it from that angle, not as randomly attacking twitch streamers.

>>3532

If someone actually ran a minecraft server where they killed npcs or something then yes, talking about ways to 'kill people in minecraft' would not be very dangerous. Going on a videogame board and asking about the best way to kill minecraft npcs would never be considered a crime. If people start responding to the post with actual murder techniques sure you can start deleting posts but getting riled up over this is just a manifestation of fear of violating the spirit of the rules that were impressed upon you by society. Nothing in the context of the post indicates that real murder techniques were being requested.

>Talking too much about yourself is referred to as both "blogposting" and as having bad OPSEC.

Simply sharing techniques has no risk of revealing your identity unless you've previously published such techniques in a way that ties them to your identity. This is supposed to be an occult think-tank, not a place for meaningless small talk.

>>3533

The best defense is a good offense. If you focus entirely on defending yourself you're giving the enemy free reign to pound on you until you're exhausted enough to eliminate. Operations which do nothing but reflect aggression are easily subverted by anyone with an even an inkling of awareness of subtle energies.

The point of practicing on streamers is to develop a reliable method of attack that can be used when necessary. Unless the person who you end up needing to place a curse on is someone who interact with daily you'll end up wasting a lot of time just waiting to see if the technique that you're employing is effective or not. Get the testing done before going into practical work.

>>3534

>Simply sharing techniques has no risk of revealing your identity unless you've previously published such techniques in a way that ties them to your identity.

Don't give a monkey a gun. Again this is about karma. I've already tried this and it didn't have good results. If you shared something and they used it for bad outcomes you are responsible. I'm simply guarding my own virtue here.

However, if you want to know my techniques you are free to analyze the spell behind this sigil here:

>>3079

It's been very effective so far. The release of the initial energy also caused a celestial phenomena that lit up half the country and made it onto the news.

Hey, new person here, I got linked here to learn.

When it says visualize, does it mean imagine?

I usually have a bad imagination, unless I insert my"self" into it. Like if It becomes more real? But not actually real, more imaginatively real.

But my "self" isn't really me? It's more like my ideal me, which personally I'm impossibly far from. I've also had phantom limb sensations from "me", a couple times.

So I guess my question is if when I start doing this, do I image my ideal "me", or me me. I don't like the real me

>>4078

Think of an apple.

Do you see an apple in your mind? What color is it? How does it smell? You've now visualized an apple. Forget about all the other stuff, just do this with whatever you you're meant to visualize, while increasing the level of detail as you get better.

>>4081

Oh sorry, I meant for when it says to visualize your own body for the exercise 1 and onwards. I'm assuming that's your spiritual body that you visualize? I guess.

So my question is actually do is my spiritual body the real me, or my idealized "me"? I've felt phantom limbs from "me", so I'm not quite sure

I'm bad to explaining stuff, sorry

>>385

>Visualize your own body. Close your eyes, and picture your body, exactly in the position you're in.

Above is very clear, I think you're complicating things by inserting a bunch of stuff that isn't there. Just follow the instructions?

>>4078

Very simple, if you see your idealized self then all you're going to change with these exercises is your idealized self. You need to work on your real self unless you want to develop ERP disease.

Hello, am back, seeking some advice.

Update on meditation, I've been doing it daily, or atleast trying to; I still don't quite understand what it is, to me it seems like it's just thoughtlessness and awareness, aswell as calmness.

Also the phantom limb sensations have gotten worse, I was doing energy exercises, but it still doesn't really seem real, just in my mind. I think I was breathing white stuff in and black stuff out, but I'm not sure, since my imagination would occasionally breath black stuff in. Related to that is that I've also randomly started imaging a white body parts? It's not mine, and not ever the whole person, usually just an arm. They occasionally touch me through out the day, and during my last mediation they were dragging their finger across my face and I could feel it. I'm not sure if I've been possossed or if I'm just imagining them for some reason. Also, I guess in my "ideal" me, I have long ears, and now whenever I wiggle them, I somewhat feel it, and sounds actually like go up and down? I can't describe it, like it gets softer and louder while doing it. Is this the erp disease thing? I haven't imagined the "ideal" me while doing energy exercises, only just by breathing them in and out from my nose.

I've also had a hard time sleeping in the last few days, I had only 3 hours of sleep today, but I feel fine, only 4 yesterday. I can feel vibrations and my skin feels super itchy when I start to fall asleep, and it seems to get me irrationally angry. I wouldn't mention that, but last night I had a dream about trying to fall asleep? There was someone helping me, and I'd see a horned shadow red eye thing as myself whenever I looked into something reflective. It'd hurt my eyes, and I'd have to look away. I kept trying to look at it, and if I was lucid, I would've forced myself to look at it no matter what. Eventually I fell asleep inside my dream and woke up to my window open with me covered in snow.

Any thoughts? It's been bothering me, and I kinda need advice. Also the vibration thing has become passive, along with my ears, and I can feel/do it whenever. I've also begun cursing/bullying myself in my thoughts, but that might just be doubt of all this magicky stuff.

>>4165

> I've also begun cursing/bullying myself in my thoughts

As you are becoming more sensitive and accustomed to everything now through practice it's my guess that this is possibly due to entities taking notice of you and influencing you. Not all of them are kind.

>>4168

Thanks, for replying. But what about the phantom sensations? During meditation, I was also able to imagine a guitar, and playing it made my fingers hurt because of the strings. I also forgot to mention the white thing also say stuff like "it's ok" idk stuff like that. It's impossible for me to tell if I'm imagining it or somethings there, pls n thanks. I've only been doing this for like a week and a half so I really feel like a schizo, and this is just making it worse, idk

>>4175

>I've only been doing this for like a week and a half so I really feel like a schizo, and this is just making it worse, idk

This is clearly not good for your mental state, please leave and rethink your motivations. More skilled people have ended up in mental ward after dealing with the entities you'll interact with on this board. This is for both your own safety and to maintain a positive discourse here.

>>385

>Exercise 1: Basic Energy Manipulation

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>Visualize your own body. Close your eyes, and picture your body, exactly in the position you're in. Stretch out your hands, move a bit, and picture your body executing those movements. Clench and relax your fist, and watch your mental fingers do the same, at the same time. Now, take a closer look at your visualized body. Picture a stream of vapour coursing through your arms, your legs, upwards and downwards along your torso, and into your head. Examine how this energy is moving, and try to feel the streams of energy as they rush along their course.

How long does it take before I actually feel the energy. I'm not feeling anything. Does it take a week?, a month?

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