087d00 No.1 [Last50 Posts]
Welcome to the Sunflower!
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087d00 No.16
There's been some issues in trying access the board, showing an error page. According to the 8kun admins it's a combination of some site wide issues and that you have to make a thread for the board to show. But there's plenty of things to show here already, so that can't really be the problem now can it?
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a5b55c No.20
>>1
shouldn't you be honest with them and mention how you're from the Succubus Collective? I know you need loosh, but don't be rude about it. Many people will willingly enslave themselves if you give them a good enough reason.
>I wanna cum a lot!
easiest way ^
ya feel me?
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087d00 No.21
>>20
This group was originally created for those who couldn't join the Succubus Collective but who were still interested in the movement and methods used in the Collective, aka "the keikaku."
As long as you're interested in improving yourself on the path of immortality or the occult you can take part here and benefit from it.
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a5b55c No.22
>>21
gotcha, thanks for the clarification <3
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77a124 No.32
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>>21
>the Succubus Collective
Tell me more~
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087d00 No.35
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2418d8 No.47
>>35
>Blog: https://succubuscollective.wordpress.com/
>A common way to discuss the location of humans in the cosmos, is to start by identifying our living space as the three dimensional world – 3D. Logically, this leads to the conclusion that there also exists a 2D and a 1D. Humans normally refer to the two dimensional world as the underworld, or hell
>From this we can see that 2D was simply a cemetary in the eyes of humans, and for spiritual entities it’s just another place still. 1D being just length with no other dimensions included, appears as a canal. It may be obvious once spoken, but not the first thing the reader thinks of, so let’s jump right in. In the body, this canal appears as the connection between the womb and the outside world. The womb is the place of no dimensions, where life is formed.
I would like to know more about 0D specifically, but also 1D. I can understand the concept of 2D, but from there on, things get confusing. Can someone exist in 1D or 0D?
If I'm not mistaken, the ability to create life in the physical womb means there is a direct connection to 0D there, and maybe undead creatures or other kinds of immortals do have that connection too, right?
What other analogies can help grok what 0D is and how to connect with it?
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087d00 No.53
>>47
>I would like to know more about 0D specifically, but also 1D. I can understand the concept of 2D, but from there on, things get confusing. Can someone exist in 1D or 0D?
An essence can exist there. The womb is a gate of chaos or void. If the body is a society, the womb is a nuclear power plant. Something can exist there, anything can exist there, but to humans it cannot be perceived properly.
In chinese medicine it is referred to as the dantian field, exising in both men and women alike.
Something one dimensional, apart from being the path of creation, may be a thought, or a frequency of radition, light. "Let there be light" is what the creator says in Genesis of the Old Testament. It is the first visible creation coming out of the chaos of the "womb."
If humans uncontrollably enter this stage, you get something like what's implied by the classic horror comic "Enigma of Amigara Fault."
https://imgur.com/gallery/Wht7z
If you wanna get an idea of what happens with people who go full materialist after they die, this is what you will find at the bottom of hell. You can see it on the mentality of some people that their souls are already down there. That's why this comic hits so hard. This is the opposite of the creative force at the one dimensional level.
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065a2d No.55
>>53
I get it. It's quite terrible.
I need to form a connection to the bottom without losing coherence.
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071fa4 No.60
>>21
How can you even tell in an unbiased way that you got into the Collective? I've received several indications but how I am not merely deluding myself?
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087d00 No.63
This thread is for board meta discussion so let's try to move other topics to their own threads from now on!
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5e05ec No.87
Looks like this board was created on 8kun.
How long does the moderation take to aprove your board? I'm trying to open a board, I've already waited three days and nothing. How long did they take to open your board, BO?
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087d00 No.91
>>87
>How long does the moderation take to aprove your board?
I think it took 2 days.
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5e05ec No.92
>>91
Three days already passed, do you think I should assume they didn't approve my board?
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087d00 No.93
>>92
They could just be busy, the site malfunctioning or your board wasn't approved based on its topic.
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5e05ec No.94
>>93
I oppened that board just to check the Board Owner dashboard, didn't know it would took this much to be approved or denied. I miss when board creation used to be instantaneously.
Do you know if I'm going to get a deny notification if they don't approve my board? I would ask this on /sudo/ but that board is not working.
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087d00 No.95
>>94
>Do you know if I'm going to get a deny notification if they don't approve my board?
Sorry no. My application went through so I don't know. I get the feeling the attacks on the site are slowing things down, making e-mails bounce etc so maybe try again? But if you didn't have a real idea for a board maybe that's the reason.
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5e05ec No.96
>>95
Okay, dont' worry. Thanks for helping anyways. I just submitted my actual board idea, so I will help a week.
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c441d8 No.110
I was waiting for someone to create this kind of board and I'm happy something finally popped up. The only thing bothering me is anime aesthetic, it puts me off. Is it really necessary?
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c620f8 No.111
>>110
It's an energy thing. It's getting a bit messier than what it was when the board opened, but that's to be expected.
Try to look at the energy. Get rid of your hindering prejudice.
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087d00 No.112
>>110
>The only thing bothering me is anime aesthetic, it puts me off. Is it really necessary?
Short answer: yes.
Long: This is one aspect of a movement which started to form based on a sentiment around 2014-15. The network of spiritualist wordpress bloggers had reached its peak building on a theme of succubus/satanism. This overflowed and connected with the dying remains of tumblr and general new age. On imageboards the incel movement didn't have a name yet, /pol/ hadn't reached peak toxic masculinity and the MGTOW part of /fringe/ hadn't fully taken over.
This lead to connections between these different cultures and groups into what looked like a common interest. A will for cultural, spiritual and political change with occultism and sexuality as the means of propelling changes in society.
Over time it soon became clear that the diversity of this sentiment's adherents was not a strength. As a result, it was split into "far right" terrorism, which shut down a number of imageboards, INCEL terrorism which provoked further division, a rise of female occultists online (witch youtubers) and Trump supporting cultism, in lack of a better word. Add to the mix: Joy of Satan shills, honeypot movements like Atomwaffen, brittish Order of Nine Angles, and the new age, alien believing hippies who consider the ruling elite to be "evil satanists."
One step in either direction will place you in a narrow, toxic and streamlined group. All of whom oppose each other and accuse each other of supporting whatever evil establishment they see as the enemy.
We don't want that shit here. As a symbol of rising above the drama and division, the sunflower grows towards the sky and the light. This place is for people with skill and potential for spiritual growth, no matter what your ideology is.
The eastern way, 東方, touhou, has provided us with support in doing exactly this. It's a diverse world where yokais and humans can coexist. There is fighting within the group, but it's contained and doesn't impair the overall goal. We need to maintain this idea and repel those wanting to cause division. If posting anime images can do this, so be it.
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8833f6 No.130
>>112
>toxic masculinity
>MGTOW
>INCEL terrorism
>/pol/ is guilty of what it has been accused of by the mainstream press
Are you for real? How can you claim to be for spiritual growth if you are so dishonest?
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087d00 No.131
>>130
The sunflower group does not support political activism, such as those types you mention. Leave those by the door when coming here please.
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7f8c4b No.136
>>131
>The sunflower group does not support political activism,…
Then why do you do it? That is my very real question. Nobody would find it strange if you got annoyed by the political lobbyism attacking imageboards and that you want a place without it, however this post >>112 reads less like "we don't want political lobbyism" and more like "we got owned by all these evil right winger groups". The post also reads like something written by somebody not native to image boards and their culture.
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f874d0 No.137
>>136
At risk of engaging when I shouldn’t, I’ll say the types of people he mentioned only know how to wallow in despair and spread it wherever they go. They are a disease. The other side of the coin to the also diseased “left” we find in shallow Gamergate and SJW activism. If you consider being right wing or a conservative an important part of your identity you’d do well to search for healthy and intelligent expressions of it such the Hoover Institution YouTube channel and IRL discussion and exchange of ideas as well.
I think it’s a good idea too keep any of it out of this board, as the people it’s intended for are preoccupied in much broader issues than fabricated polarization topics such as this you two are talking about.
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087d00 No.139
>>136
>Then why do you do it?
This board is not for any organization or advocation of street activism, we practice in private and do not push our views outside of the group.
>"we got owned by all these evil right winger groups".
It's a fact that hosting terrorism is harmful to the website. This is why we are now on 8kun and not chan. From another perspective we could successfully have hosted this board on a website running meguca since that makes for interesting ways of interaction well suited for real time group sessions. But given past experiences with this, it would put a lot of pressure on the website owner, something which would be both troublesome and unfair in the case of doing this on a more laidback /a/ related website.
To be very clear, the topic of this board itself will be likely to attract the kind of things we do not want. There's a fine line here, and unfortunately a lot of people can't sense that. Is the ONA a rightwing group? Some people would say so. In my view it's a legit occult group which has been attracting right wing movementarians. These people come and go and they create an image of connections to modern, brittish or american "nazis."
If they had been real nazis, they'd stick with the german occultism inherent to their own movement, but they don't because they don't feel it, they don't see it.
Same with Varg type "paganism" and satanism, it's essentially completely disconnected from brittish or german occultism, it's an isolated norwegian/swedish movement.
What we have here is people who understand very little coming in and thinking these are all the same, using a very shallow view. We may be "white supremacists" in the sense that we treat the white race as the factually ruling race, created by the most powerful deities. This still has nothing to do with fantasies and delusions of recreating Rhodesia and reinstituting some american 1950s christian welfare state. We also do not support "traditional gender roles" which only existed in the post war decade in a geographically restricted area (USA).
The reason? It's irrelevant.
>The post also reads like something written by somebody not native to image boards and their culture.
By this you seem to be implying that being a right wing, MGTOW, INCEL real life terrorist is somehow original imageboard culture?
4chan for a long time was a leftie, atheist, pro LGBT place. Anonymous gained support for being a "hacker collective" supporting these values. They were also animal rights activists. This is your valued "native" culture.
What's been going on here at 8chan/kun is a product of the PlayStation2 generation who grew up fed sloppy direct rendered remakes of classic game series, which made all games streamlined into playing and looking like FPS.
So girls play games now? Who cares, just play the games. But that's the real problem here, isnt it? Most games released in the past 20 years are the same. Instead of just playing with your friends and having fun you get involved with political activism and start pushing for "traditional" christian or right wing values, things which never existed before.
These are the things which are not welcome on this board: political activism framed as being something else.
Posting about gender roles in video games? That's not discussing games, that's politics. Posting opinions such as "only men can reach enlightenment, buddha said so", that's not an esoteric discussion. That's politics framed as religion.
"You are left wing, do not use the right vocabulary etc", that's not relevant here. You can have any political opinion on this board, because we do not hold ideological discussions here.
Talk about your practice. Take part in the sessions. Improve your skills.
That's what this board is for.
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029edd No.148
>>139
>This board is not for any organization…
Yet your post was a political statement, full of lingo belonging to what the other anon so adequately described as the "diseased left". Unless I missed the sarcasm when you wrote about "toxic masculinity", you actually subscribe to the rotting ideology that gave birth to these words. You could have corrected this impression but you didn't.
The origin of the exodus from 4chan to 8chan lied in the subversion of the moderators by the "diseased left", who always claimed to be apolitical yet keep hitting on anything "right", even if what was "right" was only labeled as such for convenience. Your post reminded me of such behavior. There are many boards, both here on 8kun and the Webring that have made and managed to create rules against obnoxious politicking. Not a single one used such political lingo.
>It's a fact that hosting terrorism is harmful to the website.This is why we are now on 8kun and not chan.
Its a fact that 8chan never hosted "terrorism", everyone saying that is a liar. The material posted on /pol/ was also posted on other more mainstream public media sites and those weren't shut down. Anyone with a little bit of brain would know that the terrorism accusation was only an excuse to shut 8chan down. Similar excuses can be made with less serious things and you are just as vulnerable as /pol/ in that matter should you ever get the ire of some political group.
>By this you seem to be implying that being a right wing, MGTOW, INCEL real life terrorist is somehow original imageboard culture?
No, the point is that as somebody with experience of image boards and their history, you should have the background information on how, why and when things happened on image boards. You should also get the joke behind some of those things, as a lot of activity is just shitposts to have fun.
Your post sounded like it came from a Kotaku writer, full of false claims and half truths to push a narrative. INCEL and MGTOW are joke movements fueled by public hysteria as they are a symptom of the falling social order, yet together with the false terrorism claim and "toxic masculinity" they became the driving force of what drove you from the promised land. Even this new post of you continues the trend of making bullshit political claims, only to run away and complain how others mask their political opinion as spiritual topics.
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087d00 No.149
>>148
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/halle-germany-shooter-meguca-anime-manifesto
This is what happens if you allow /pol/fags to share website with the things you care about. The site is ruined and has to disappear. It's an expression of masculinity, and it's toxic, hence the label "toxic masculinity" fits right in.
The MGTOW mentality was strong on later /fringe/, to the point it was impossible to hold honest conversations. Yet these were original /fringe/ banners.
If you wanna be a faggot and hate women, you are free to do so, but not on this board.
There are currently 309 boards on this website, surely there are boards better suited to your taste?
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f874d0 No.150
>>148
Just don’t let yourself be triggered by one person’s take on this. I think that’s the whole point of not mixing subjects.
>>149
>hating women
What?
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087d00 No.152
>>150
>What?
I've made my standpoint clear. This must not become /fringe/, because that board included in its fabric the materials which would bring its destruction. /sunflower/ is not for ideological discussion. I used a word which correctly describes the behaviour of the /pol/ type of people and this triggered anon because he does what he accuses others of - treating his own biased political stance as neutral and attacking anything that doesn't conform to it.
For example, if someone used the term "shadow" from Jung's psychology, should anon then accuse the poster of being a zionist because Jung built on Freud, who took his original world of concepts from jewish kabbalah? That kind of thinking falls under "derailing with ill intent", not allowed under rule 4.
Keep the ideologies outside of this board please.
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f874d0 No.158
>>152
/fringe/ did have the seeds of its destruction in it, the same way everything does. Including this board.
After the madness with the vampire threads I was forced to look deep in order to understand why it is that we age and die, and I came to see astrally what I had only read about until then. Death, transformation, is inevitable in all things, and it is an indispensable part of any thing being created the same way the Three Laws of Robotics were indispensable for positronic brains to work at all in Isaac Asimov’s novels. Nothing gets to Malkuth without passing through Binah first. What this really means is that nothing can be conceptualized in this universe without its end being included in the package as well. I saw this energetically and understood it at last. It was fascinating, but enough rambling.
You decide your board’s rules, but don’t think for a second it is not fated to die once its job is done. You can’t enforce that away. /fringe/ had contact points with /pol/ that served as an entryway for disenfranchised people to enter the outer sanctum. Those that were fit to, outgrew this and passed onto the inner (I used to be one of those original left-leaning anons in /b/, then a nazi romantic in /pol/, and then I found /fringe/ and understood what it was all about). That’s why /fringe/ had that ideological component. And it was very elegant because as you said it caused its death when it was time. I’m rambling a lot sorry. There’s a point in there though.
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087d00 No.159
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>>158
>don’t think for a second it is not fated to die once its job is done
That is entirely correct. But anything can die in two ways:
1) too early, as a failure
2) after reaching saturation when death is the only piece missing
If /fringe/ had anything more to do it would have survived losing its last platform, but it didn't. That still doesn't change the fact that the /pol/ association made it impossible to restart the board. The area it rested on has turned into quicksand. It was actually attempted on the new meguca, but the locals freaked out and would have banned the board if it was left up because - as they phrased it - /fringe/ brings the legacy of Smiley and that brings /pol/ and then we'll lose our home again because some retard shoots up a synagoge and posts about it.
/sunflower/ has shed its skin a few times already before reaching the point when going public was the only way forward. There was never a /pol/ connection even if general racial views may overlap and most notably the things now mostly associated with /r9k/ was never a part of it. Establishing here means being exposed to already existing notions of what a certain type of board is supposed to be, before its characteristics are either solidified or it fails. For this reason proper distinctions are needed.
There is something which needs to be done here, which will be exposed step by step as anons come in and take charge of their own growth.
After the foundation is in place and an understanding has settled in, it may be possible to go deeper into the lore of what this is.
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f874d0 No.161
>>159
This is a surprisingly mundane way of looking at it. There is at least one /fringe/ board that is more active than this board, and I wouldn’t be surprised if nobody over there knew who Smiley was. It’s a new generation. /fringe/ is an initiatior board.
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087d00 No.162
>>161
>at least one /fringe/ board that is more active than this board, and I wouldn’t be surprised if nobody over there knew who Smiley was.
If you're talking about xchan it's hardly active (who will find the site anyway) and not knowing about Smiley won't remove the board culture. The place reeks of armchairism and the same kind of detached mentality.
Some people are now using the term "fantasy based martial arts" for styles like aikido which were developed in total isolation from the situations they were meant to be used in. What's taking place over there is fantasy based occultism.
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087d00 No.239
If anyone feel like using the meeting room
>>3
for private sessions or testing of some kind and want better syncing there's a Skype group for this purpose.
https://join.skype.com/jqQEfmiEhsPO
If you just want to chat that's fine too. It doesn't require registration to join.
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a1a9d0 No.247
>>112
>As a symbol of rising above the drama and division, the sunflower grows towards the sky and the light. This place is for people with skill and potential for spiritual growth, no matter what your ideology is.
Wouldn't the lotus have made more sense for that purpose? The sunflower is a solar flower, of Apollo, and will attract men of the black sun. For lo and behold, here I am. It seems antithetical to this board, which is seemingly dedicated to the lunar and effeminate. Of course you have Amaterasu, but that's not the first connection one makes.
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087d00 No.248
>>247
The lotus is too associated with a specific and narrow type of "enlightenment" and its associated religious practices and theories. The sunflower made itself known in different ways over the years. This goes back to an earlier stream of stories and ideas being released to the public in the form of manga.
Few people today probably remember these and their commentary on human culture and the mind. We're now living in the world drawn up by Masamune Shirow but those who never got the map are lost in it. The sunflower did appear in Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
>>159
as a symbol of the natural human ability to heal, the power to exceed modern technology in an age of cyborgs and a world wide web through the power of the mind itself, the ever eluding ghost.
Contrary to the navel-gazing of the followers of the lotus, the sunflower represents a junction of the ability of the mind and the external power of the cybernetically enhanced human. These two extremes formed into a single entity create the ultimate power over mind and matter.
What are humans today if not cyborgs, with their brains wired into social media and the touch screen the main interface of their interaction with the world? If we at this point turn inwards and shun technology, we're becoming mere masters of fantasy land, while the augmented zombies roam the streets. That is not the path to power.
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a1a9d0 No.250
>>248
>The lotus is too associated with a specific and narrow type of "enlightenment" and its associated religious practices and theories.
I was more thinking of the essence of it, floating upon muck and filthy waters, its roots reaching the water but the flower itself remaining untainted and fragrant. Much like you want your board to be. But it was just an example of something symbolically closer and I could see why you wouldn't use it.
>That is not the path to power.
Technology is inherently enslaving the user, you will find no path to power within it. Instead of the speculative work of a mangaka you should be reading proper philosophical works on the matter, be they far-right or far-left critiques of technique and industrial society, or Traditionalist thinkers who didn't need to see it unfold to know what awaited. There will be less of man and no ghost to be seen, only counterfeits and artificiality.
I do also not wish to be rude, as you have been nothing but cordial in your reply, but from where I'm standing you're already deep in fantasy land, escaping into dreams rather than to face reality. I won't proselyte nor ask you to join me in the black sun, but I would urge you to reconsider your conceptualization of dreams. You will not find me denying that they can have meaning, but lucid dreaming is nothing but vanity and akin to losing yourself in the image of a mirror. You shall find no immortality or secret knowledge there. Consider this a friendly warning, a gesture of good will, and nothing else.
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087d00 No.251
>>250
I think I understand what you're seeing here that makes you say that. It's part of the framing of this board, it's the outreach side of the sunflower project. You will have to look beyond the visuals here to see what we're aiming for. This is an open board after all, on a website with previously troublesome associations made in media. Yet this is the hub most suitable to find the people who may join our path.
The treshold for joining the sessions is pretty high, the actual things learned a lot more powerful than what you may be able to comprehend from just reading the brief descriptions, unless you have experience with these specific things. It's intentionally left vague and sloppily sweeping to keep those away who cannot see the material referred to themselves.
If you want to discuss right wing satanism you are free to start a thread for it, just make sure to keep it on the right side of the line. Order of Nine Angles is fine as an occult practice but the moment you bring in Atomwaffen or whatever those more political groups are called, that's no longer a topic for this board. You see what I mean? We don't want armchair occultists here, but we also do not want activists. Whatever fits in the space left in between those two, that's what this board is for.
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5ddd87 No.346
>>149
>There are currently 309 boards on this website, surely there are boards better suited to your taste?
You advertised your board on /x/, both here and on the webring, so I came and checked it out. It looked like a cool board until you opened your mouth.Your obsession with MGTOW, your feminist bullshit rhetoric and your dishonesty made me suspicious of you, so I started a conversation to look where you stand and give other people a chance to see for themselves what kind of person runs this place. It is now clear that your claim of political neutrality is bullshit and you are only spouting that narrative so you can push your own ideology in secret. There are several boards both here on 8kun and the webring that are against political drama, yet not a single one of them is as dishonest and lying as you are. MGTOWs are fucking pushovers, even /pol/ got tired of their shit and easily drove them off. Feminism and all its derivative are cancerous movements that try to destroy the natural connection between men and women in the world. So if you get driven off by the likes of MGTOW your ideas probably hold no water and you are probably the biggest source of political drama yourself, since only brain damaged SJWs keep ranting about them. You gave the best examples for it in your own post such as:
>If you wanna be a faggot and hate women, you are free to do so, but not on this board.
If you don't accept my bullshit feminist ideology and the rhetoric I spout it means you are hating wyrmyn!
>It's an expression of masculinity, and it's toxic, hence the label "toxic masculinity" fits right in.
Taking actions for the things you belief in is masculine and toxic! Especially if its done for things I don't like!
But you really shot the bird with these two:
>This is what happens if you allow /pol/fags to share website with the things you care about.
/pol/ is not responsible for the Halle shooting you faggot. That guy was a violent gun activist so you might as well also blame /k/ for his actions while you are at it. The reason he gets called a right winger is because it fits into the Anti-AFD media narrative here in Germany and because he tried to attack Jews. However the reason he attacked Jews was predominantly because they are the holy cow of the establishment. Do you want attention and your 15 minutes of fame? Kill a jew in Germany. To know such a thing is 101 of media literacy on today's internet and you can't do it or you don't want to do it because it doesn't support your narrative.
>The site is ruined and has to disappear.
Says who? Normies? Radical leftism? Orwellian politicians? /pol/ didn't shut 8chan down, it was radical political activist from the left that made the push because the discourse on /pol/ is in direct opposition to their ideology and threatens their narratives. This behavior of the leftist establishment has now been known for years on the internet, ever since the Exodus from 4chan to 8chan and you have to be pretty fucking retarded to think it can't happen to you and its only the fault of these evil /pol/fags, MGTOW, INCEL, Gamergator or what ever other label you can pull from your arse. They came after video games, table top RPGs, board games, anime, manga and porn and if you get on their bad site, they will come after you and it doesn't matter how much you lick their feet or share their sentiment. And regardless of what you actual positions are, they will push you into the right wing corner.
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087d00 No.349
>>346
I was talking about how Meguca was ruined by what /pol/ did there. The Halle shooter posted on the site, it was the only post by that IP and no one really took note of it at first, the post remained up for about an hour. You can see the thread yourself if you care, it's archived on archive.is. The problem is what happened after they realized it wasn't some ad for guns; they started posting in support of the shooter. The twitch stream had 5 real time viewers and those were all from megu/pol/, the video was saved and shared by them.
As a result, the site got media coverage, which is bad in itself when you want to keep it small and comfy. Even worse, from this
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/halle-germany-shooter-meguca-anime-manifesto
it escalated until the site owner was tracked down by german tv news and chased through a park. It ended with him taking the site down to save himself from terror accusations.
This is what /pol/ does. They come into someone else's community and show no respect at all, then behave in a way which kills the community. If they had reacted like the people on endchan when the norwegian made his post, it would have probably been fine. No one cheered on the norwegian, they called him a nigger and a faggot. Endchan survived. Now their political board also uses the name /pol/ but they have a different site culture over all, specifically outlined in their motto "Ideas over identity", which makes it different from the identity politics of most "politically incorrect" /pol/ boards.
8ch on the other hand had the same problems as the /pol/ on meguca, simply because megu/pol/ was a bunker of 8ch. They cheered on terrorists and forced the site offline for 6 months. Keeping that shit away isn't ideological, it's a matter of survival.
>everything else
You're obsessed with it and bringing things up that no one was talking about before you came in, exactly what /pol/ posters tend to do. Pushing your narrative with no respect for the circumstances or your surroundings. It's not even clear what your issue is by now, maybe you're just a troll?
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087d00 No.351
>>346
I understand that it's annoying when politicians in your country want to frame everything as right wing, like that latest guy rambling about satanists in american underground bases. He was clearly just an /x/ conspiracy theorist. But your rage is kind of misdirected here, this board isn't run by Angela Merkel and no one here has been doing this to you. You need to rise above your own closest environment a bit.
May I suggest that you instead of this futile effort take the chance to join our weekly sessions? Maybe a new experience will ease your mind.
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ed850f No.352
>>349
>It's not even clear what your issue is by now, maybe you're just a troll?
That might come across as antagonising. There's an egregore of confrontation whose hallmark is identity obsession.
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087d00 No.353
>>352
Oh yeah, I personally don't get what identity is all about, got this book but it was so many pages I never got to properly reading it yet. It feels like an artificial concept deviced by someone trying to project their real issues in a desperate manner. It doesn't feel relevant at all so of course it'll stand out when someone comes barging in trying to push it.
Since anon keeps talking about some "dishonesty" he's seeing, here's my political compass I did recently. Happy now? If you want to do it you can go here, maybe your own placement will surprise you:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/
When we did this in the Chamber of Light discord server everyone landed on the left side. It was advertized on fringebay and mostly had /x/ and /fringe/ anons (you can still see it on the balkanchan archive). /fringe/ maintained this idea of being right wing, when in reality the posters weren't, so this image only served to invite trouble.
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6d17c9 No.356
>>353
This test is pretty bad. It depends how you view those Political Compass questions in order to answer them honestly. Many questions are extremely biased and poorly worded. I wouldn't derive a reliable political stance based on this.
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ed850f No.357
>>356
>tl;dr
>>353
That kind of test is part of the egregore I was talking about. The whole spectrum is the same, which is an artificially narrowed worldview. Good old false choice. You can't really answer to those questions anyway you want, so your results will always be restricted by design. By taking that test, you are being fooled.
>If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations.
What if it isn't inevitable?
>No one chooses his or her country of birth, so it’s foolish to be proud of it.
In some way, everyone chooses their country of birth
>Military action that defies international law is sometimes justified.
Is international law justified?
>There is now a worrying fusion of information and entertainment.
Who defined what information is? And entertainment as a concept, what is it and who decided it? Who decided they are different things, or not?
>People are ultimately divided more by class than by nationality.
Class and nationality are defined concepts. Would there be division if they didn't exist? If they reflect an underlying objective reality, is that reality emergent or by design?
>Controlling inflation is more important than controlling unemployment.
Why is inflation a key economic marker? Why do we even have the concept of employment? Let's think about how labor is organised in our world instead and what it would look like in a world where these two concepts couldn't exist.
>Because corporations cannot be trusted to voluntarily protect the environment, they require regulation.
This question assumes the environment requires protection. It also forces you to assume “nature” exists at all.
>It is regrettable that many personal fortunes are made by people who simply manipulate money and contribute nothing to their society.
Can we question the existence of money? What is a society?
>Protectionism is sometimes necessary in trade.
Is international trade necessary?
>The rich are too highly taxed.
Can we think about a model where taxes are not necessary?
>Those with the ability to pay should have access to higher standards of medical care.
Let's talk about the medical industry instead.
>Governments should penalise businesses that mislead the public.
Should governments exist? Should business? What is “the public”? Why are the three separate and what would a world look like where they weren't?
>Abortion, when the woman’s life is not threatened, should always be illegal.
This restricts your consideration to the woman and implicitly the baby. What if there are other reasons you would consider it legal or illegal? You can't answer.
>Taxpayers should not be expected to prop up any theatres or museums that cannot survive on a commercial basis.
You can't question the concept of “surviiving on a commercial basis”.
>Schools should not make classroom attendance compulsory.
Should schools exist? Should something different exist if they didn't? What if classrooms didn't exist?
>People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce.
What if you think other kinds of people shouldn't be able to reproduce? Where is the question for that?
>There are no savage and civilised peoples; there are only different cultures.
What is culture? What is civilisation?
>First-generation immigrants can never be fully integrated within their new country.
Assumes countries exist, and migration of any kind.
>No broadcasting institution, however independent its content, should receive public funding.
Should broadcasting institutions exist?
OK, this post is long enough and I'm probably boring you. My point is, this is nothing but a series of questions trying to find out where you stand between two polarised stances, and they applies a predefined and extremely broad label to you. It's supremely stupid.
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9b3925 No.358
>>356
>>353
Anon from the newb thread here. I might not know a thing about the occult but I know politics. The chart in the pic is much more accurate. Turd Flinging Monkey is the only tuber I have seen go into it in detail but it is by far the most accurate representation I have found. Basically each point on the chart represents a different core value, Freedom, Stability, and Equality. However, these values all share a value with each other. This is why when the left looks at the other 2 they see Nazis, when the alt-right looks at the other 2 they see jews and when the libertarian right looks at the other 2 they just see tyrants. These 3 values used to be represented by the merchants, nobility and the church in ye olden days but communism has supplanted the church in our current system. Here is TFMs video on it https://www.bitchute.com/video/430ELEIFhQk/ and he has 9 more if you search Political Trichotomy on Bitchute. As far as I know, there is no political test using the chart in the pic btw. I know its off-topic for the board but I want to return the favor where I can.
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ed850f No.359
>>357
Children are always asking the why of things, and eventually adults grow tired of getting their own ontological traumas put to the test and traumatise their children into fitting the world within labels.
>>358
>but I know politics
Politics is an analytical illusion.
Where on that chart would we put the Mayoruna? They are a real-world tribe where the concept of time doesn't exist, nor does the concept of the individual (as in they literally can't tell one person apart from the other within their tribe), in part because all the members are linked telepathically, and move through the jungle guided by synchronicity.
I could look for more examples, but this is a pretty good one.
That chart is simply a higher-dimensional version of the political compass one.
You are not learning about the occult, my friend, you are going to learn you know nothing about anything from politics to the nature of your own being. You are going to need to be able to pass on confronting “wrong” opinions if you are going to make it to the end, and be able to die, sometimes literally, as in transcend limits you didn't even know existed.
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ed850f No.360
>>358
To the Mayoruna, there are no “winners” or “losers” to reward or punish. There isn't even a tribe. They are a single entity. A mind with an interface into the physical composed of what we call multiple human bodies. They live in the Amazon, and nobody can find them on purpose (well, I suppose somebody with the right magical skills could). If a foreign person gets in contact with that tribe (an event which is vetoed synchronistically, because time does not exist for this tribe), they slowly begin to link telepathically, even if they are a Westerner with no belief in such things, and eventually merge or are moved away from the tribe by circumstances.
They can't compete the same way you can't compete with yourself for food. They can't own the same way you wouldn't understand your left hand owning something your right hand doesn't. The distinction between the collective and the individual does not exist. This distinction is assumed by that chart. Do you see how your triangle is just a more elaborate flavour of the same bullshit? You can't escape the same curse of restriction of world views.
Stop talking about “politics” in this board. They have no place here. They belong with Taylor Swift, reality shows and soccer.
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1aa422 No.362
>>359
>>360
I understand that maybe a possibility and I remain open to that but understand I have spent my entire life studying the physical and the dynamics involved on that level alone. If you are right it is going to take me some time for this view to change but if that is where what I find takes me that is where I will go eventually. Until then it is what I know and I would not still be here if I was unwilling to change that.
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26b5fc No.372
>>362
"14.All things that are are moved, only that which is not is immovable.
15.Every body is able to be changed.
43.Everything that is made is corruptible.
44.Nothing good is upon Earth; nothing evil is in heaven.
47.Evil is involuntary, or against its will.
51.Malice is the nourishment of the world.
52.Time is the corruption of man.
54.All upon Earth is alterable.
74.The Earth is brutish, the Heaven is reasonable or rational."
Hermes Trismegistus, His First Book
I've personally held peak conservative views for years now, with extreme economic freedom taking the second place in importance. I've entirely given up on politics or political thought, though.
Even though I still consider a system like that to be ideal, years of hypotheses and thought experiments made me realize that even the best possible system is bound to fail, and the only way to maintain a status quo of any kind would be to have some sort of automated AI network controlling the Solar system, and forcefully preventing technological innovation or political change of any kind, through very frequent yet limited military invasions around the globe.
At that point, I gave up on the idea of improving the material world in any way completely.
The only eternal thing is the manifest human soul, so the only thing which deserves energy and effort is its realization.
Then I realized how difficult that is, and abandoned the concept of existence entirely. I await my future life as a rock.
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040bde No.592
>>346
I've found your back and forth with BO to be spot on. He is not a native to image board culture. This much is clear. This board looked kool then I skimmed this thread, and the mask is off. BO is a fool
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087d00 No.593
>>592
>is not a native to image board culture
How do you define a "native"? By number of years on imageboards? By what the first websites the person used was?
Going by what kind of people make up the majority on sites like this, it can hardly be a good thing to be considered a "native."
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a09e36 No.604
>>593
8kun is the new home for reddit and qniggers. What little imageboard culture remains is diluted to fit their image. Each board has it's own culture and finding out what the general meaning of being 'native" to the entirety of imageboards is retarded, although I've admittedly spent a couple of minutes trying to find the common ground. Being anonymous is the core principle if there was one thing. When it comes to the BO it's clear that his thinking, and most noticeably his vocabulary, isn't derived from imageboards. That's enough to make someone stick out and not belong. Even more so because he's trying to work a new frame of thought into the board that isn't /fringe/-like or anything else but his own. If he was more autistic and was willing to temper himself through autistic discussion I'd imagine he'd not be so faggoty.
Energetically I can't see it working with the supposed aim of this board. The BO has too much of an influence to allow "me" posters to really flourish, a pseudo-cult of personality would form based off of his knowledge on the topics that interest him. That's my view of it, at least.
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61b1c4 No.607
>>112
>Short answer: yes.
>long answer: lol we're not /fringe/
damn it
I was really hoping this would be a suitable /fringe/ replacement
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61b1c4 No.608
>instead of being a place for hermetic mages to discuss shit and shitpost, we're a community of highschool tier left hand path anime avatarfags who worship a gay blog cult while spouting out buzzwords that were cringe in even 2015 and post shit sigils
>did I tell you about the catgirls
Your oaths are now broken.
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ca0e2a No.609
>>607
You can make it one. It's pretty much dead at the moment. Just like /fringe/
>>608
Somebody explain this fucking meme to me. I've been seeing it for years and still don't get it.
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087d00 No.610
>>604
>Energetically I can't see it working with the supposed aim of this board. The BO has too much of an influence to allow "me" posters to really flourish
This board is a project with a specific purpose. More on this below, but in reply to statement above, "me" posting is encouraged here, what isn't encouraged is "identity politics." See this post for elaboration:
>>585
>>607
>was really hoping this would be a suitable /fringe/ replacement
>>609
>You can make it one
It won't be and it can't be. The egregore is completely different in its make up.
This board has an astral meeting place behind it, used for group sessions for when participants can't gather in the same physical location. It's also used for telepathy practice, with the aim of eventually giving up online communications altogether. This means if this board is successful, it will no longer be needed and will die out.
See temple thread
>>3
Example of sessions (and in depth instructions):
>>97
We use the meeting room several times a week for testing and entity interactions, linked sessions etc even if this isn't posted on the board. Many entities and deities have visisted us during this rather short period, mostly greek and egyptian deities and japanese/korean yokais and witches. As the latter are the most active, this board has been made with an initial touhou theme.
Attempts at bringing incompatible things here would either be rejected by the guarding deities, or it would make the physical board seperate from the egregore in which case it would have no purpose and should be deleted so as to not cause confusion.
>>608
>instead of being a place for hermetic mages to discuss shit and shitpost, we're a community of highschool tier left hand path anime avatarfags
Why not create board /hermetism/ if this is what you want to discuss?
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61b1c4 No.614
>>610
Your consensus is shit, your guides are hedge witch tier, your info is misguided and jimbo is not interested in approving new boards, still waiting for mine a whole two fucking months out. Enjoy floating through consensus though, you're never going to divert it's path or escape it's flow.
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a09e36 No.615
>>614
Oaths reaffirmed, go back to middleschool kiddo.
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90f4c9 No.617
>>608
hell yeah nigga get they asses
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61b1c4 No.618
>>615
lmao you actually fell for it, now your oaths are fucked beyond repair
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087d00 No.619
>>618
We don't do oats here, this place is strictly rye.
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0f2699 No.773
>>614
What kind of board do you want to make?
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c26725 No.779
>>346
You're arguing the other side of the problem that particular anon is arguing against. Any ideological position isn't helpful, talk about something with substance. Smug/a/ is a good example of a board that has left the realm of arguing over ideology despite still being inhabited by the typical anon, both /pol/ and /leftypol/ are banned from being discussed. Despite this, /pol/ is the most likely to get banned simply from the fact that more anons are right-leaning and not left-leaning, from this same fact /pol/ is the one to be most worried about in both /a/ and /sunflower/.
The closest thing to /pol/ in smug is /monster/ and they're more focused on worshiping Reita and keeping and cherishing healthy male/female relationships, despite monsters being their only focus.
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087d00 No.781
>>779
Ideological discussions are useless because they're not based on reality, but in wishful thinking and pointless values. They're also obsessed with the material world and what ifs.
Completely uninteresting. Are you able to create something, or present a new interesting view of the world or some specific phenomena or event? Go on, those things are interesting and possibly useful.
Endlessly talking about your feelings in relation to some specific group or race and demanding others affirm it for you, that's being weak and clingy and first and foremost mundane. It doesn't belong here.
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087d00 No.1032
Important notice
This was just send out. It shouldn't effect the functioning of this board under normal circumstances, but please be aware and stay safe.
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087d00 No.1293
New posters
Welcome to the board!
Please take the time to read some of the threads on the board before you start posting, what is known as lurking. Some of you may be coming from the recently nuked boards, which had a culture very different from this board. Be aware of this and adapt to this board's topics!
This is a place of study and improvement of yourself and others.
Negative posting, whining, pointless trolling, unpleasant images etc. will result in a ban.
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087d00 No.3237
Important notice
Recent events once again seem to be threatening this imageboard platform. We do not want to follow this site to onion only, as this is supposed to be open and easy to access with no fishy business.
Current bunker is available at endchan/sunflower/ with multiple access options. Make sure to back up any content posted on 8kun in advance!
The board we used for sessions on shamik.ooo was auto-purged for inactivity, but may be recreated as a second option.
Update: board available at sachik.ooo or suwak.ooo
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019d2c No.4373
Esotericism - That which is available to a small group of initiated, which may be hard for the outsider to grasp.
Spiritualism - Communication and interaction with spiritual beings.
Occultism - That which is hidden, obscure and hard to understand.
These are the topics of /sunflower/. This involves practices and exercises such as sigils, meditation, visualization, yoga, qi gong, martial arts, etc. The group session is also an important instrument.
Hopefully this should clarify what this board is for!
UPDATE:
The 8kun image server has deleted all images on the board, making most old threads useless as they relied on the images posted.
This keeps happening as whoever maintains the server deletes all content site wide at the slightest sign of 3DCG lolis being posted ANYWHERE. For this reason, the board has now been turned into a textboard. It's recommended to use Endchan for image-reliant discussion.
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