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79738a No.878 [Open thread]

I want to get started in Solomonic/ceremonial magic, but I don't really know where to start. Getting some grimoires seems like the first logical step but I don't know which ones to get. The Key of Solomon isn't particularly useful to me as it requires a lot of expensive regalia and items that seem virtually impossible to get nowadays (parchment made from a kid goat that's still suckling? A girdle made from a lion skin!?). Any advice/suggestions would be welcome!

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be724e No.945

"Three Books of Occult Philosophy by Henry Cornelius Agrippa"

"The Book of Wisdom of Apollonius of Tyana"

"Summoning Spirits: The Heptameron of Peter de Abano"

"The Greek Magical Papyri in Translation"

"Arbatel: Concerning the Magic of Ancients by Joseph Peterson"

"The Grimoire of St. Cyprian"

Optional:

"Drawing Down the Moon: Magic in the Ancient Greco-Roman World by III Radcliffe G. G. Edmonds III"

Read the HERMETIC kabbalah before anything because its very jargon heavy you will go through and translate stuff into laymens. Makes reading grimoires easier. Ex:"semen of hermes" = Dill plant.

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608671 No.1014

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I recommend EA Koetting's Mastering Evocation video series (you can get it from The Pirate Bay last time I checked). It's very practical and fairly straightforward in covering the basics comprehensively.

Also The art of drawing spirits into crystals by Johannes Trithemius. This one is freely available.

And the YouTube channel Mind and Magick, which has a Mystery School playlist that goes over everything you need to have the proper starting knowledge. We should never assume we have such knowledge.

Also Lon Milo Duquette and Jake Stratton Kent's The True Grimoire.

You could look into VK Jehannum's blog.

Also, learn how spirit interaction looks outside the context of Western ceremonial magic. Your practice might be different, but the phenomenon of contact itself is similar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4zdIQqxzIU

One of the most important things to learn is that spirits are not human. This might sound obvious, but when we're starting out we often expect them to be.

They don't speak our language, and they don't interact with the world in the same way we do. They are for all intents and purposes, from our perspective, aliens. Funny how materialism has pushed us to create things like SETI and our scientists are trapped in an ever worsening state of cognitive dissonance making up excuses as to why we wouldn't have had contact yet, when in reality all they do is ignore all the contact we do have with the spirit world from the moment we're born, and certainly after we die. But I digress.

As the entity Ra demonstrated in The Law of One, contact with spirits requires an environment that is adequate for them to manifest in while adequate for you to notice them. This is accomplished through the use of trance states and ritual paraphernalia.

Ritual trappings are technically not necessary, as an adept should be able to create the correct psycho-emotional state within himself in order to contact a spirit, especially if he's been in contact with that spirit before. However, it is more practical and easier to just use colored candles, incenses, lighting, etc., to create such a state wPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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608671 No.1015

File: 9c63391dc872706⋯.png (479.39 KB,612x815,612:815,true_grimoire.png)

From Scarlet Imprint.

>The True Grimoire is a major contribution to the practice and study of magic, and is the first part of the Encyclopædia Goetica. Here the maligned Grimorium Verum has been restored to its rightful place as a coherent and eminently workable system of goetic magic. Jake Stratton-Kent has reconstructed a working version from the corrupted Italian and French versions of the grimoire. As a practicing necromancer with 40 years of experience his Verum is a clear exposition of how to contact and build a relationship with the spirits.

>The True Grimoire springs from the source of goetic magic, enabling us to unlock the secrets of the other grimoires. We are given insights into the Dragon Rouge, Key of Solomon, Lemegeton, Abramelin, Honorius, and the Black Pullet. This is a treasure trove for the student of magic. The True Grimoire lets us experience a grimoire tradition with links back to the Græco-Egyptian magical papyri and the necromancy of the original Goes. It also situates Verum in relation to a living tradtion, one which has taken root in the New World, finding expression in Quimbanda and the legion of Exus, the ‘people of the cemetery’ who have clear Verum equivalents.

>This is a constistently illuminating text. The copious notes of a working magician, combined with a scholarly attention to detail, enable us to use this text for its original purpose. The hierarchy of Verumand goetic spirits is restored, and the nature of Astaroth is discusses. The planetary hours are explained, as are all the ritual requirements and preparations.

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608671 No.1017

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

I don't know if you're still here OP, but here's more info.

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5f7fc8 No.1102

>>1015

OP here - would it be unwise to start with the 'hot' spirits of the Grimorium Verum or the Goetia? That seems more like swimming with sharks than testing the waters.

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4162a8 No.187 [Open thread]

This thread will start off with a mass of seemingly unrelated information bits which I'll connect. I personally see them as an integrated system, the question is if this can be communicated?

This is the result of meditation and interactions with spiritual entities and it's very personal so I don't expect others to see the same things. But maybe you'll see some new perspectives.

These images conveniently turned up on /x/ just in time for the connections to be made. They were said to explain the creation of humanity, and I do agree. You can understand them as represening both the three steps of 1D, 2D and 3D or the bottom three chakras of the body which make up the base, but after accepting this view and meditating on it, the last bulb will appear to not merely reach the 3rd chakra but actually represent all levels above. I'll throw in a chakra map for reference as well.

In reference to the bible you'll find that god made light first, and light being a waveformed particle is one dimensional and as such corresponds to 1D or the root chakra. This is to explain the connections I see and the overall structure.

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213e38 No.638

>>637

I realize I'm thinking everyone has an 0D-0D particle. That's not true. Otherwise it's despair plus the choice of self-reliance or destruction.

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4162a8 No.639

>>637

>All material assets, possessions, race, morality, whatever it is, is an extension of the individual

If the person is a real super human, they are. If not, to a varying degree. For today's humans, I dare claim it is as I said:

>>636

>things such as race, morals, social classes, economic standards, material assets and possessions which are today used to define a person

People today are not in control, but they are mere consumers picking and choosing between the things that should be under their control. They think they are expressing themselves through what they consume, but they are from the beginning controlled by them. From birth onwards, few people rise above the material situation of their surroundings to assume control of it and redefine themselves as master of their own lives. Instead, they define themselves by what kind of upbringing they had, if it was rich or poor, and what groups they belonged to, and how they evolved from that position. Being herded along by society's expectations, they merely adopt the government approved life stories into becoming a person made of material assets, who stripped of them become nothing at all.

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213e38 No.640

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>>639

For reasons too divine and demonic for my puny mortal mind to comprehend what I derived from this interaction was three mental items, two flowers and one wand. The wand is already posted, it's the wand being held by one of the adeptus mechanicus, the two flowers I left on a body of water in the temple. Flowers love water. I don't want any in-depth description or any explanation for their functions posted here.

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213e38 No.646

>>629

For the sake of completion, continued viewing of the device/dismantling and observation of the internal structure of the artifact, the image changed to a viewing of my current life in the form of a portrait/rough symbolisms. A blue-haired child watching over an ocean in an island nation, angrily trying to hold his ground against forces that he doesn't understand and more importantly doesn't like. Ends with him acquiring an homicidal attitude. I haven't looked into the external connective structure, mainly because I don't know how. The external structure looks more complex and meaningful than the base usage of the artifact.

Use on the intended target leads to observance of a semetic man worshiping/contemplating the christian God and his undead son, along with 7 other lives.

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4162a8 No.984

File: 0882b3b3ca27f84⋯.png (347.06 KB,1173x1013,1173:1013,chaos_evil_good_edit.png)

https://pastebin.com/CSXTEv8z

A reference to connect this cap to the previously posted sketches.

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3ddf22 No.744 [Open thread]

Are the magic circles necessary? Most texts say they are, but some (such as An Excellent Booke of the Arte of Magicke by Humphrey Gilbert and John Davis) don't mention them at all, while one even says that an imaginary circle can be used (A discoverie of witchcraft - the 1665 edition).

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9a742c No.755

>>750

The use of circles is almost nonexistent in the history of spirit interaction. Most magicians across time and space have done it in very different ways. The circle is part of a very specific way of doing things and not necessary. Except if you are evoking spirits whose protocol for contact explicitly calls for one.

In other words, the circle is not a universal magic tool (there is no such thing except perhaps for altered states of consciousness) but part of specific rituals for specific entities.

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d6f839 No.764

>>755

Magic circles have been part of the grimoire tradition since at least the 13th century (the Sworn Book of Honorius is the earliest grimoire that I know of that uses them). And most European grimoires use magic circles of some kind. So I call bullshit on your claim that they're "almost nonexistent in the history of spirit interaction."

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9a742c No.771

>>764

I knew this would trigger some /omg/ autist.

The “grimoire tradition” and “European grimoires” are an insignificant speck of dust. A drop in the ocean that is magic through thousands of years of different cultures practicing it. With that perspective, the European “tradition” is a fad.

13th century? Are you kidding me? Almost nonexistent in the thousands-year old history of spirit interaction, yes.

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6d2a6b No.776

>>771

Moving the goalposts and insulting your critics will will avail you not. And I find it amusing that several hundred years of tradition is a "fad" that is "almost nonexistent." A more recent tradition, yes, but hardly nonexistent.

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6d2a6b No.777

>>771

I also couldn't care less how old a tradition of magic is. I only care about how effective it is and how suitable it is for me to practice.

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8a58cb No.527 [Open thread]

A thread for the discussion of alchemy. Alchemy seems far more approachable for a novice as it is more tool based than something like astral projection that relies entirely on personal ability. If someone is capable of producing a novice course I think it would be good for the board and give anyone that may find there way here a quick starting point.

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94b7bc No.576

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Hippity hoppity this is now your property.

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f48e9e No.590

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937b8b No.756

I believe in Wilhelm Reich’s bions rests the key to eternal youth.

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bffc4e No.554 [Open thread]

A longstanding issue I've been having which I think might be the primary reason I haven't had any success so far with magic, is that I'm really not sure how I'm supposed to be visualizing.

People will often say to visualize a specific thing, such as an image, a sound, a feeling, or any combination of senses, but I'm still unclear as to what that truly means.

I have some examples in the (admittedly crude, I apologize) illustration provided.

In figures 1 and 2, the pictured person is expected to visualize a triangle inside some sort of circular object on his wall.

In figure 1, he visualizes it in a way that's projected over his physical vision. He is seeing both the circular object as well as his visualization of the triangle at the same time using his eyes.

In figure 2, he visualizes the circular object with a triangle on it separately from his physical vision, instead in his mind's eye. He's not looking at the circular object physically, he may even close his eyes. He's instead viewing it similarly to recalling a memory of something he's seen.

In figures 3 and 4, the depicted person is expected to visualize a sensation in his hand. Perhaps a change in temperature, or the feeling of flowing energy.

In figure 3, the depicted person is visualizing the sensation as if it is physically occurring to him in the moment.

In figure 4, the depicted person is visualizing the sensation in his minds eye, again, similarly to recalling a memory. Perhaps he's even using an existing memory of a sensation similar to the one he is expected to visualize, such as a memory of touching a hot object.

The way I've always visualized things has been what's depicted in figures 2 and 4, but I've had occasions where I'm in a certain state of mind that allows me to visualize things similarly to figures 1 and 3, but these states were few and fleeting.

I don't know if there even is a "proper" way to visualize, but with my lack of any tangible progress thus far it seems it may be something holding me back. I'm approaching the "Big Three-Oh" with my virgiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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0c2ee5 No.562

>>554

A missing piece I've found with personal experience is the “fire” behind the “eyes” when imagining something visually, or behind my head when imagining using other senses.

It's not easy to explain, but everyone who manifests successfully knows the feeling. I would describe it as an intensity that rushes forth from somewhere and takes on the form that is being projected. That's what's called using the fire element in hermeticism. You can read about it in the Magic 101 thread.

Since it's basically impossible to explain, you need to experience it by yourself. It's a muscle we all have, but don't use. So practice.

Regarding threads. There has been a lot of useless ones popping up. This question should be in the general or the two beginner ones, for example.

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35669f No.568

>>562

Sorry, that was me. I thought it better to have several threads diversified across different subjects rather than one single thread that different conversations might get lost in.

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bffc4e No.577

>>557

I think figure 1 might be doable from a regular state of mind with enough development. I can get really faint outlines of simple shapes, such as the triangle I depicted in the illustration, but I haven't found a way to develop it further into proper imagery.

Both of the times I could visualize this way with true imagery were after being awoken from a deep sleep, so I suppose my brain was still in "dreaming mode".

>>this doesn't matter if you still masturbate.

I committed to no longer masturbating I think 4 years ago, and stopped entirely maybe a year and a half ago, but still suffer from wet dreams occasionally. Lately I've been able to stifle them before they cause problems, so I'm currently 3 months without an orgasm of any kind.

Although I don't know how useful that is, since I don't yet know any way of harnessing my sexual energy.

>>562

Which post are you referring to in the Magic 101 thread? Do you mean Exercise 1, or perhaps Exercise 4?

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0c2ee5 No.583

>>562

>>554

1 and 3 are the proper way BUT you can also do them in your mind's eye (2 and 4 but with your eyes closed, or with your eyes open if you are VERY good at it), as long as you project the vision into it the same way you are projecting it into your surroundings with 1 and 3. As long as you use the “burning fire” to impress it.

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0c2ee5 No.584

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>>554

By the way I'm not a virgin nor celibate, and I can make it rain on a sunny day. You can waste (or utilise) your vital energy and still manifest perfectly fine.

I suggest you follow >>384

Pic related for your convenience.

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3d62ee No.461 [Open thread]

I was invited here by Sunflower because I have a unique experience with the paranormal. Essentially I worked towards an astral projection experience a few years ago and upon achieving it my floodgates were opened, revealing techniques for physical magic/esp as intuitive acts. The dantians, chakras, aura, elements and many other fields became relatively mastered for physical functionality within those few years. I can now conjure up warm viscous energy balls at will, and transmute them through many different forces of nature and metaphysical forces in order to achieve things like healing of inner tissue damage, alteration of the cells, enhancement of the body, and so on and so forth. My skills are highest in the realms of affecting biomass and doing so at great distances such as from east coast us to west coast us. I have spent much time acquiring confirming results from performing on skeptics and teaching individuals, and will now give an 'in a nutshell' explanation of how I see the world and have relentlessly for what feels like an eternity of a few years:

The physical plane is much like a crack in a dimensional sidewalk with plants growing out of it. Those plants are our bodies. In a less abstract description, our forms here are fueled by our life force and our life force is simply how much of our soul we've manifested here (the soul being the whole of ourselves in and outside of this form, our potential for this plane some would say). Our life force is a raging flame, can literally be called Flame, and generates energy that leaks out into our auras. This life energy is the medium between our inner worlds and the external, it is our way to make self expression and ideas a physical form that can do work. There is a near endless number of ways I could list to optimize the flow or use of one's energy, but it is best in my opinion to start at forming a physically warm and firm energy ball between the palms in order to become aware of one's energy and "aura". My suggested method for this is to hold the palms facing each other in front of yourself, not too close to prevent natural buildup of heat and not too far to prevent unnecessary difficulty. Then visualize a grey, translucent energy all around your skin and body, kind of like a liquid fire. Focus on sending small amounts of this stuff into the space between the hands over and over to form the sphere. Perceive the spherePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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f6c168 No.463

Why from all the colors aviable to imagine do you want us to imagine specifically grey energy which is widely regarded as death and sickness energy. I've read multiple times that one should never imagine grey energy as ones aura and around oneself in general. I believe a white or yellow energy is also fitting and fairly easy to bring up. But blue, red, or even rainbow probably all work too.

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bbd171 No.464

>>463

Grey may not work for everyone but I can see why anon suggested it. Grey matter is the core existence of a certain type of being. I'm one of them so for me this would work.

The drama "Peer Gynt" by Henrik Ibsen brings this up and it's very strong in his works.

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f6c168 No.465

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>>464

Yeah that may be but I'm seeing this from a temporals perspective. If I was a mere M&M (mundane and mortal) I would find it kinda strange, this suggestion. "This feels weird." is what I would feel in my heart. From all the colors anon is telling me to take excatly that one that's probably going to kill me. "What are anons motives?"

As an immortal who reaches out for eternity of course I cannot be bothered with colors, death and sickness. I'm not scared of that or anything. But even so…this post is probably first and foremost for M&Ms anyway…so that's why I became curious. They may read this and mess themselves up. Most of the M&Ms who are into occult and spirituality are are heavily influenced by new-age garbage so they will be super susceptible to this. No offense to anyone tho. Just some toughts that came to me.

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f6c168 No.466

File: 80dec3290a8d0c8⋯.jpg (86.26 KB,435x571,435:571,balllightning.jpg)

Alright so I tried it and honestly I don't think I'm doing it right. I imagined myself charging up with golden energy and then leading it into the space between my hands like you would usually creating a chi ball. Immediately I felt a surprising amount of heat on my palms and I saw tiny sparks of energy flashing up in the space between my hands where the chi orb should be formed. I was still kinda surprised by the amount of heat that I could feel but I kept sending energy through my arms into the space between my hands. However…instead of a perceivable ball being created suddenly a tiny white bolt of lightning shot from the little finger of my left hand to the little finger of my right hand. Pic very related. Will try again some more later.

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6cb7ad No.469

>>461

Thank you for posting. Could you offer help with astral projection? How did you achieve it?

I used to be able to do it as a kid, but as time went on I did it less and less, and nowadays it rarely happens. Thanks.

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