34ff84 No.812 [View All]
>State their policy is to not start wars
>Has literally been in conflict with every major power in their quadrant
>Has also been in wars with nearly every minor power in their quadrant
>Those they haven't been in wars with they have had skirmishes with
>And each time it started was because the Federation was encroaching on their neighbor's territory
Remind me how the Federation are "Good Guys" again?
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e5544e No.15158
>>15156
This is an ancient conversation, but it was about Turkhana IV. You just have no reading comprehension.
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892c80 No.15159
>>15158
It's clear that the one guy was talking about Turkana IV. I assumed the other anon had somehow got it mixed up with the glass-dome planned-society people, as he kept claiming it was founded pre-Federation in the 22nd century.
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434efb No.15189
>>15159
What was Turkana IV colonized by to fall apart like that? Niggers?
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6d2c08 No.15252
>>2990
Youtube really is such a great place to mine for salt.
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092ee3 No.15389
>pretends to be utopian space society who evolved above violence and don't need no weapons
>goes to war all the fucking time
>gets ass kicked by arrogant, posturing enemies
>gets threatened by factions with no interest in peace to begin with
>fucking bugs literally infiltrate the entire starfleet high command
>"weapons research? fuck that shit we are not a military"
>has to ass pull and jury rig some ridiculous science-based solution to literally every problem
>problems that wouldn't exist in the first place if they had weapons
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3586ad No.15409
>>15389
Problems that wouldn't exist in the first place if they applied common sense.
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2eebb5 No.15422
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3f8478 No.15438
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be418d No.15462
>>5004
It's pretty much the same shit you see in most RL military outfits - competent people don't tend to make it much past senior NCO (such as, say, Chief Petty Officer), or they get locked into relatively mid range officer jobs as far away as they can be put. The people who hit staff ranks are the connected, the unscrupulous (but too incompetent to be allowed an actual command), and the fall guys.
>>5179
>Hey, you what's a good idea?
>What?
>Accepting a chance to surrender and maintain most of our culture and at least some political autonomy rather than being genocided, that means Cardassia survives and we have a chance to either break free or become the main face of the Dominion in the Alpha Quadrant.
>Yeah, that does sound like a good idea.
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82e90b No.15841
>>15462
Military is a shitshow. Takes a war for good people to get in charge.
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68b4bd No.17257
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
This rant about the politics of DS9 (With mostly focuses on the Federation), from the reactionary reviewer Argent explain the retardation of the Federation well.
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8f2044 No.17260
>>17257
>Klingon Warbird
>Thinks ships like the Galaxys are standard
I am beyond triggered.
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ec40e3 No.17262
>>17257
>Struggles to remember what Warships are called
What?
>Presumes that map is accurate
wew no, it's some fanshit ledditors think is canon.
>Defiant blows most ships out the water and it's efficient
Except it doesn't. Defiant is a lot better than other Escorts and punches above it's weight able to take on up to Destroyers, but it's a lot more expensive than other Escorts to the point it costs as much as a Cruiser in terms of resources to churn out and will get it's ass kicked by said Cruisers.
>Calls Vorta Vor'cha
And that's when I stopped watching the video myself. He gets so much shit wrong I can't stomach listening to more.
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f81450 No.18230
Federation promotes pedophilia via Trill.
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52665d No.18519
>>814
hew-mons
why must they constantly fuck shit up?
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ef0215 No.18531
>>17262
>wew no, it's some fanshit ledditors think is canon.
This tbh, probably the most accurate map that exists of Star Trek (at-least of 2151) is the Stellaris' "Star Trek: New Horizons" mod.
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ef0215 No.18532
>>15152
>Borg r gommunsits XD
Get the fuck off my board.
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82e90b No.18544
>>18531
This is probably more accurate but as established by the map thread space is in 3D. In truth there should be a lot of overlap.
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af73c3 No.18772
To get a valid assessment of the Federation one has to know if they outlawed spanking
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45e8ca No.18776
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>>18772
I think we know the answer to that.
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8f2044 No.18834
>>18776
IT IS THE RISKTAKERS WHO BOLDY TAKE THE LASH OF THE SPANKING SO WE MAY EXPLORE BETTER!
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8376fa No.18885
>>5114
You might really enjoy reading about the earlier days of the Texas Rangers.
Before they became a baseball team.
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aa1edf No.18887
>>4742
>Dax, that fucking cunt, replies that they will never stop coming to explore
The federation are basically niggers.
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539e1c No.18912
>>18885
Tell me more?
>>18887
More like religion of peace, pretending to be friendly before subverting your culture and replacing it with their own.
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575af5 No.20435
More Federation is portrayed the more appears as the creepy girlfriend who you hate.
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52665d No.20467
>>823
>Humans are pretty spread out
Indeed, it seems a lot of human extrasolar colonies were created before the Federation even existed, I'm sure not all wanted to join when humans from Earth showed up on their doorsteps.
>hey remember us?
>yeah we tried to get away from you years ago
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d78bd2 No.20503
>>20467
I could imagine a lot of human border colonies being like /k/ innawoods and when the Feds send a landing party going innabutt. I am curious what a planet of the s.t.a.l./k/.e.r.s would be likes
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3da3bf No.27938
More likely to have a planet of the diaperfags considering how soy the Federation is.
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747f23 No.28089
>>20503
>borg invade a colony
>they've planned for this with a stockpile of TR-116B kinetic rifles from the 22nd century
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f7c586 No.28099
>>28089
TR-116 was 24th century though
More than likely they have a stockpile of old rusty nuggets from the 19th century and then proceed to give the Borg the bayonet!
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f00df3 No.28128
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>>28099
If we're going to have the Borg be retardedly vulnerable to stabbing then can we at least get one episode where the Borg attempt to assimilate a relatively remote Federation colony only to be met with vid related?
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e842de No.28146
>>20467
ENT nixes that idea. Until Warp 5 it took years to get anywhere far from Earth. Also, we don't know the state of infrastructure between First Contact and episode 1 of ENT. How are they producing colony ships when they are rebuilding a world? Starfleet is more of a coast guard than an actual fleet until the Enterprise is built.
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0e711c No.28148
>>28146
We've seen several on screen. Terra Nova in ENT, the Irish Amish/clone colonies established by the European Hegemony in TNG, and the "perfect society" of genetically conditioned people in a glass some in a later episode of TNG. If you want to stretch the definition a little you could say that some of those weird "alternate Earth" episodes of TOS were in fact highly deteriorated pre-federation colonies.
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14c46e No.28361
>>28148
>If you want to stretch the definition a little you could say that some of those weird "alternate Earth" episodes of TOS were in fact highly deteriorated pre-federation colonies.
I've always had this in my head canon as something that is likely true. I would not be surprised if somewhere they've retconned this into being canon or will make it canon at some point since it makes far too much sense.
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b0f1e1 No.28367
>>28148
It's overall unclear when a lot of these colonies were launched from Earth.
We know that the SS Botany Bay was launched sometime after the Eugenics Wars in the late 20th Century.
Star Trek's timeline between World War II and the mid-21st Century is overall very vague and weird. We don't know when the Eugenics Wars started, if humanity sent nuclear engined interplanetary vessels out in the late 20th century, then that would conflict with a lot of the established timeline.
According to The Motion Picture, ENT and even the Kelvin Timeline (J.J. Verse, since everything prior to the events of the 2009 film's start is unaltered), things like the Space Shuttle Enterprise actually flew in space and was a working Space Shuttle. If things like the International Space Station and the Space Shuttle are canon in Star Trek, then when is the Eugenics Wars supposed to take place?
Did Star Trek universe earth actually colonise plants and the moon with the technology of the time? According to the VOY episode, "One Small Step", in 2032, Earth was sending the first manned missions to Mars, but this still puts in a lot of weird questions about the politics of Earth which leads to World War III.
The amount of weird stuff in Star Trek's pre-warp Earth timeline is often so vague, we have no clue as to what the actual course of events were. All we have confirmed is that the Eugenics Wars happened and that somehow the SS Botany Bay was sent out of the solar system before humanity had even gone to Mars. That and that World War III was a nuclear exchange which lead to a nuclear winter and then a bloody war, between military units which no longer kept their allegiance to their country of origin. That and Colonel Green being one of the most evil people in Earth's history, along with Ghengis Khan and Adolf Hitler.
The only established things we have, are that Zefram Cochrane did his warp flight in 2063, First Contact occured with the Vulcans, United Earth was established at a conference in San Francisco, the location the peace treaty ending World War III was signed, and that Starfleet and other such organisations for establishing a presence in space were formed afterwards.
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8c0138 No.28799
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9746f2 No.28881
>>28367
So essentially there could be dozens if not hundreds of human colonies out in space not affiliated at all with the Federation at all? There could even potentially be a rival human Empire out there in a long forgotten region of space that retained their warlike nature?
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49d230 No.28885
>>28881
Theoretically. We do see one such colony in TNG, those Irish farmers, if I remember correctly, but since Star Trek has never properly established pre-First Contact timelines with any great certainty, it can be up to anyone's guess what and how many human colonies exist. In ENT, there was that failed colony, Terra Nova, but since we've only seen about 2 or 3 non-Federation human colonies in the entirety of Star Trek (with huge amounts of debate over the "second Earth" places seen in TOS), we do not know a definitive answer, and we probably won't considering the direction Star Trek has gone in since the cancellation of ENT.
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61e179 No.28886
>>28881
>There is likely a long forgotten band of human colonists out there holding the line against untold horrors from beyond
I want to see this.
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0b1453 No.31997
So the Federation is like the U.N?
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d1c0dc No.32045
>>31997
Don't be silly, U.N. doesn't have any power or authority.
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79c1f8 No.33129
>>32045
neither does the federation; starfleet has the power and authority.
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9dcc8d No.33170
>>812
Kind of like reminds of the EU :D a bunch of small states but united suddenly a power to reckon with.
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8e8a1c No.33199
>>814
>missing the Romulans
Massive war.
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ba77f8 No.33200
>>33199
Did you even read the post at all?
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556187 No.33248
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14778b No.33316
>>812
The federation are basically Cardassians only the show has the propaganda blinders on for them and the viewers.
<Enjoy your holodecks and replicators
<Don't think about Section 31 or how it has the authority to vanish people
<Don't ask questions about elections or who is ruling this "federation"
<Hey look another holodeck program for you or a play for you to participate in.
<Yes be obsessed over this ancient earth story or learning to play this ancient earth instrument of music.
The guys in the federation are brainwashed workaholics and no one has any idea who and how rules the federation, they are perfect drones.
<Eat soma
Daily reminder that the Cardassians have entertainment centers they go with their families to.
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000000 No.33328
>>28885
It's also not impossible that some of the first generation colonies that didn't end up technologically regressing could have had their own colonists leaving some time after they were settled, and not necessarily under friendly circumstances.
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cf71dd No.33419
>>33316
At least a Cardassian knows how their society works (Cardies don't make any attempt to hide the existence of their secret police, or that their trials are rigged) and still decide to work FOR CARDASSIA!.
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b0d3c9 No.33701
Its Space America. What did you expect?
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