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Trying to make a list of races and factions the Federation have came into conflict with cause of their actions.

Major Wars

>Klingons

>Cardassians

>Dominion

Minor Wars

>Talarian

>Tzenkethi

>Sheliak

Skirmishes

>Gorn

>Tholians

>Ferengi

Rebellions

>Maquis

And that's just for starters, there's a few more I assure you and I haven't even added the stuff from the "EU" or when it was just Earth which is why the Romulans aren't on the list.

>>814

>>Ferengi

wasn't that just ferengi pirates? they were the ones attacking, feds were only defending themselves

and those ferengi don't even count as part of the ferengi alliance

>>815

Supposedly it was the other way round. Ferengi mistook the Feds for pirates and attacked.

Isn't it funny that Earth alone has abandoned money? The rest of the galaxy still uses currency. Even the Federation as a whole still uses money. But not Earth. How does that work?

>>823

Isn't that why a lot of Federation citizens end up joining things like the Orion Syndicate for freedom?

>>829

Supposedly that was what the whole Maquis rebellion was about. Maquis had to trade with others to survive as Feds pretty much abandoned their colonies, yet Feds told them they had to do shit their way or else.

The whole Maquis arc felt like it would have resulted in a Federation Civil War if it continued.

In fact the whole feeling of Post-Nemesis if there was a show felt like that was what would happen

>>835

Imagine the Federation if humanity (who seem to do the majority of the work) just nope'd out of the whole thing. It would be an awesome story.

Why can't the novels write about cool stuff like that instead of quadruped hermaphrodites?

>>839

Cause there are only a few writers that can write Star Trek at all. The rest don't get it or are complete fan fiction tier.

>>839

Star Trek: FederExit

>>841

Kek.

>>876

>Sometimes it seems like life just has to kill all the beautiful things and leave us alone with the emptiness.

Yes. (((Life))).

The Federation really is a brittle unity. If push comes to shove I doubt it would survive. Why the Terran Empire is far more logical.

>>814or when it was just Earth which is why the Romulans aren't on the list.

They've still had almost non-stop border skirmishes and tech races with them.

>>2847

That's actually a very accurate description of the Federation. 10/10, anon.

>>2895

It was really more of an analogy than an opinion.

>>2847

>>2939

>"Christopher! Baby! It's me! Your agent!"

>"Hello, Mortimer. What do you have for me?"

>"Well, remember how you've been part of some seminal Hollywood masterpieces over the years?"

>"Yes?"

>"They want you to reprise your role as the Klingon captain from Star Trek VI!"

>"Oh good grief! Well, I did pretty well out of that fiasco, so *sigh* tell them I'll do Star Trek VII."

>"It's… it's not exactly Star Trek VII."

>"Oh no, not television!"

>"Um…"

>>2963

To his credit he actually performed his role very well in Klingon Academy, never phoned it in at all. Game is worth a playthrough.

>>812

During the Maquis story arc in TNG and the whole approach of the admiralty towards the Bajor situation on DS9 mad me realize how out of touch with reality Starfleet Command (and by extension the Federation) really were.

Many times admirals would make demands of Sisko, Picard, and other captains to just "make it happen" when it came to stopping the maquis or bringing bajor closer to being admitted to the Federation, all while doing everything possible to hand Bajor back to the cardassians due to their inability/unwillingness to act, and over-reliance on the Federation-Cardassian treaty.

That treaty also highlights how naive and clueless the Federation really was, to trust the Cardassians to not arm their worlds in the DMZ after the treaty, and ever after both Picard and Sisko uncover proof that the Cardassians are committing attrocities against the Federation colonies in the DMZ, the Federation still did nothing.

Sisko put it best then he described Earth as a paradise, basically stating that it's hard to see reality when you look out your window and see paradise. That is the biggest problem with the Federation and Starfleet Command, I think, making decisions from paradise, without looking at the reality of other worlds.

To me it feels like the Federation is saying to all non-federation worlds and saying "let them eat cake".

>>2984

>>2990

>TOS era uniforms

>TNG bridge

This tickles my autism something fierce.

>>2982

i'm still not convinced that the federation isn't still run by those symbiote aliens

it would explain so much

>>3007

Interesting how no episode of TNG, DS9, Voy ever followed up on those aliens or the plot.

>>3011

Shekels.

>>3007

The best part was when that old man started doing spin kicks an shit.

>>3007

Damn, I'd forgotten about this scene. It even had a head explosion and all.

>>2998

Your autism wasn't fine tuned enough to notice they are actually NuTrek uniforms.

>>839

Looked up at some proposed Trek series, seems that in quite a few the writers were aware of this and wrote it so that that pretty much the Federation collapses for being too human centric and humanity is left to fend for itself.

>>2966

>never phoned it in at all

No, of course not. The man's a professional, no matter how big or small the part. He's the Canadian version of Michael Caine. Still, I bet he winced when he found out he'd be wearing the head-ridges, again.

>>3318

The fuck is up with those shoulders?

>>3011

>Interesting how no episode of TNG, DS9, Voy ever followed up on those aliens or the plot.

I read something last month where the bugs were basically a first draft of the Borg. I wish I could remember where it was I read it.

>>3007

>head explosion followed by hideous puppet

My local station actually issued a warning for that episode. We didn't know what was to follow, but we knew we were in for a treat.

>>3323

>I read something last month where the bugs were basically a first draft of the Borg. I wish I could remember where it was I read it.

I don't think these bugs were ever meant to be the borg. Conspiracy is S1E25, but the plot of the following episode would have been about borg origins. S1E26 wikipedia's entry describes the original intent for the episode to be a two-parter introducing an insectoid version of the borg, but the writer's strike left the idea hanging.

>>3328

>I don't think these bugs were ever meant to be the borg.

I did say a first draft. The writers decided to go a different way with the concept, but the premise is still the same: a body-snatching hivemind with a queen.

>an insectoid version of the borg

Thank goodness for the writers' strike, then. That would have sucked.

>>814

>>815

>>816

pretty sure the ferengi were sending peaceful ambassadors to make contact with the federation and then the stargazer had a freak accident so they shot the ambassador ship to pieces

also the gorn was a misunderstanding regarding territories as the fed had no contact with them up to that point being on the frontiers of fed space, not knowing it was in gorn territory

>>3173

>NuTrek uniforms

>watching the new shit

>>3335

We also would never have gotten ASS-imilation R34.

>>812

Because its a mimickery of Murica. But because self awareness eludes certain people, they dont grt it.

By now, there should be a multi species conglomeration that exist purely to thwart the federation because fuck those guys. The Feddies should have bumped into some borders years ago.

>>821

EBT esque rationing and mandatory birth control.

>>2982

I think it behooves everyone to remember something.

It wasn't just human rebels. There were craploads of other species too.

>>2966

>Game is worth a playthrough.

Does anyone know where it can be acquired paid or otherwise?

>>2984

Imagine if the Romulans started letting former Feddies colonize spare territory and giving a voice to any surviving Maqui…

>>3310

Or they could shell out some shekels and have more aliens and alien crews.

>>4687

It will be up within an hour

https://volafile.org/r/ck47j5am

>>4691

Sir, you are a scholar and a Gentleman.

>>4693

It's up now. Be warned anons that I have no clue how to install it but the patches are there with the .iso files so use a disc mounting software for it.

>>821

I think a working theory as to how it all really works is that earth is a 'paradise' that is fairly oppressive and controlled, and that its good living is subsidized by the outlying worlds and resources. Colonization serves as a valve to expel malcontents or people who would begin to revolt against the current order. I suspect many people are simply exiled from earth, though it probably isn't called this. There's no reason otherwise why the people in Tasha Yar's home planet - which is a hell hole - would not pack up and go back to earth, unless they couldn't.

This is probably why Picard never made admiral - instead he became an ambassador, a person to represent the federation. He's a true believer and a principled man, and such a man would be dangerous in Star Fleet because if enacted the stated policies would be shown to be ineffective. Janeway was promoted over him, despite being irrational, because she has no underlying principles and so she will not attempt to use the federation's ideology in anything important. Most of the admirals are not idealists. They are either evil, antagonistic, or pragmatists.

>>4701

Picard once said that the federation citizens abandoned the pursuit of lust, greed and yadda yadda yadda to instead just make better persons of themselves: They don't need currency because they've been told they don't need anything else. So yeah you're totally right about Earth.

>>3011

>Interesting how no episode of TNG, DS9, Voy ever followed up on those aliens or the plot.

If I'm not mistaken, that's because Roddenberry was against the episode.

>>4713

No; he was fine with it. The issue is the insect-based life forms were too expensive. The Borg were their replacement, because guys in costumes were cheaper than stop-motion bugs.

>>4719

>The issue is the insect-based life forms were too expensive

>guys in costumes were cheaper than stop-motion bugs

Acceptable case for TNG, but DS9 and Voy increasingly relied on CGI, so why didn't either series follow up? You don't need to see a lot of the bugs anyways since they parasitically inhabit various host species they use to communicate.

Maybe it was a little too Starship Troopers or too much blackpill. Here's this species which can go largely unnoticed and infect all the top levels of gov't of every faction in the galaxy. Oy vey, dey hew-manz might mistake this for a commentary on the ZOG, shut it down.

>>4720

>Acceptable case for TNG, but DS9 and Voy increasingly relied on CGI, so why didn't either series follow up?

By then nobody really cared. The Borg and Dominion had stepped in to fill the same roles - The Borg could enslave your mind and the Dominion could be spies who were anywhere.

>>4742

You basically described every war the Federation has started with neighboring species.

>>4701

>Tasha Yar's home planet - which is a hell hole -

Why the fuck is that even allowed?

Oh right, doesn't threaten Feddie power, if anything, it reinforces it.

>>4994

It's not a Federation world, so the Prime Directive prohibits the Federation from fixing their shit for them.

>>4685

>rationing

Why would you ration anything when you can just replicate more?

>>5004

To expand on that, Kirk warned Picard in Generations to make sure they never promoted him (Picard) past captain.

>Why do they no longer have the rank of commodore like they did in TOS?

>>5006

Probably sounded too icky and warlike.

>>5008

>>5006

4th wall breaking but it is because that rank doesn't exist in the US navy, it goes from Captain to admiral.

Commodores are in essence commanders of small flottilas. Senior US navy captains are fullfilling the role of the Commodore as well while also being the Captains of their ships as well.

>>4742

Oh please. The founders claim everything they see is Dominion territory. Or do you seriously think that it would have taken the Dominion a year to notice several fleets appearing in their back yard? Dialogue in season 2 suggest that the Dominion was in the midst of expanding their territory to the section of the quadrant the wormhole occupied. And how do they tell the Alpha Quadrant forces to piss off? By slaughtering entire colonies just to prove a point. And even then the primary mission of the Defiant was to seek out the founders seek a diplomatic solution. And how do the founders react? By capturing them and running simulations on the best way to invade their home.

Not to mention that the founders manipulated the Klingons to attack Cardassia and planted a bomb on Earth long before an open state of war was declared.

And in hindsight, they made the right choice. There is no negotiating with a bunch of self-proclaimed deities who think the rest of the galaxy is oppressing them with their existence and needs to be enslaved for their own good.

I don't believe for a second that the Federation is the perfect utopia some writers insist it is, but the only mistake they made in the Dominion War was allowing the Dominion a foothold in the Alpha Quadrant in the first place. They should have mined the wormhole the second the founders tried to blow up the solar system.

>>5050

t.fedcuck

>>5058

If the Dominion controlled the area around the wormhole, how come every species the Federation encountered during the first two years(with the possible exception to the Tosk and the people who hunt him) weren't part of the Dominion? How come the refugees fleeing from the Dominion went in that direction? How come the Ferengi had to actively seek out the Dominion when trying to establish trade between the quadrants? The most evidence for the wormhole to be in Dominion territory is a galaxy spanning hunt for the Tosk. Not a very strong case. Hell, the Jem'Hadar never even said that the wormhole was in their territory. All they said was that coming through it was "violation enough". If they had drawn a line on a map, I doubt the Federation wouldn't have respected that. We're talking about a society that were willing to leave their own colonists to die rather than violate a peace treaty that the other side was laughing at.

And if their actions was purely self-defensive, why didn't they go after the only the Romulans and Cardassians? After decimating the Obsidian Order and Tal Shiar, the founders declare they will be going after the Klingons and Federation. Why? They weren't involved in the genocide plans. And Section 31's plans weren't discovered by anyone until long after the war had begun. In fact, the founders were only infected after they had infiltrated the Klingons, planted a bomb on Earth and took over the Defiant to start a war between the Federation and Tzenkethi. Everything points to the founders being paranoid of solids and insisting they're the victims despite ruling the quadrant with an iron fist. All while claiming their boot on the neck of solids were for their own good, of course.

>>5064

Imagine the border wall with Mexico and why it is there. That alone should be more than enough to explain the situation with the Dominion and Federation.

>>5070

You seriously think the Federation wouldn't have kept on their side of the Dominion had shown them where their territory began and ended? Once again, the society that left their own people to die to preserve a treaty the Cardassians were violating?

And if anything, the Federation building a wall was what got the Dominion pissed enough to formally declare war instead of just trying to blow up their solar systems.

>>5037

Thanks. I'd always wondered, given how many of them were running around in TOS.

>>5050

>And how do they tell the Alpha Quadrant forces to piss off? By slaughtering entire colonies just to prove a point

Yes. Very effective. We should do that with Spics.

>>5064

>why didn't they go after the only the Romulans and Cardassians? After decimating the Obsidian Order and Tal Shiar, the founders declare they will be going after the Klingons and Federation. Why?

Because they arent fucking stupid?

>>5074

>the society that left their own people to die to preserve a treaty the Cardassians were violating?

Why exactly are you defending the Federation?

>>5120

Because I try to be objective. The Federation has many faults, mostly related to their apathy and smug self-righteousness. Not to mention that their "paradise" only exists because they have an organization willing to violate everything the Federation claims to stand for in order to protect it.

But I don't see them as responsible for the Dominion War. Remember, the leaders of the Dominion are convinced that all other intelligent life is beneath them it's their duty to bring "order" to the galaxy.

>>5131

> the leaders of the Dominion are convinced that all other intelligent life is beneath them it's their duty to bring "order" to the galaxy.

No, their goal is to pacify or control all solids because most of them want to genocide the Changelings. A belief backed up by Cardassians, Romulans and Feddies all trying to genocide them on the sly, why the likes of the Klingons merely try to do so openly through war.

And don't go trying to play the feddies attempt at genociding them off as an act of war. Section 31 clearly had been working for years on that virus, so they must have started work on it long before the war started.

One of the flaws of your logic is that you seem to expect the Dominion to work like a normal state, with citizens, colonies, trade, taxes and the like. They don't.

The people living under its rule aren't necessarily its citizens in the way feddies or klingons are. They don't build many colonies either. For the most part, the people living on the planets in the dominion get to run their own show. There are limits imposed on trade, ships, colonizing and foreign relations, but otherwise, they can do whatever the fuck they want so long as they don't make trouble. Hence, you only really get to see the Jem'Hadar once shit has gone tits up.

Thus, upon entering the dominion, you won't be challenged by Jem'Hadar ships immediately, nor will you likely meet anyone who even represents or considers themselves part of the dominion. Just various isolated backwaters with no real power or much interest in outside affairs (since such interest would draw the Jem'Hadar's interest), and it could be quite hard to actually get ahold of anyone who has real connections to the Dominion. This is magnified if the Dominion is deliberately giving you the silent treatment while changelings infiltrate your society and try to determine if you are a threat.

Hence, for a long time, the federation could not find any dominion officials while mucking about in dominion space. This does not mean the feddies and everyone else coming through the wormhole weren't violating Dominion territory, riling up the locals ideas of independence and space travel for themselves, colonizing dominion worlds and otherwise being bad interstellar neighbours.

And when you look at the alpha quardrant powers from the Dominions standpoint, do you really think any of them would even want to be peaceful neighbours?

The Cardies and the Rommies launched a sneak attack to wipe out the dominions rulers and destabilize the entire area, most likely to grab territory and resources.

The klingons are always looking for new wars. It would only be a matter of time before klingon explorers and settlers in the dominion territory started one if allowed to explore/settle the place.

Feddies are constantly trying to subvert everything they meet and are incredibly bad respecting others boarders. Jadzia even told them that the feddies would keep comming no matter what.

The Ferengies where being acting like spacejews, pissing off locals and ignoring Dominion trade laws.

Considering this, the dominion war wasn't really a question of if it would start, merely a question of when.

>>5154

The Changeling cries out in pain as he strikes you.

>>5154

Oh please. If it really was their territory, which I very much doubt, they should make it clear before they start slaughtering people settling uninhabited planets. Don't tell me they've never heard of the concept of a warning shot from one of the thousands of cultures they grind under their heels. Unprovoked slaughtering of civilians was the first shot, not a low-ranking officer engaging in a pissing match with a soldier who just bragged about the slaughtering of said civilians.

>The people living under its rule aren't necessarily its citizens in the way feddies or klingons are.

>Thus, upon entering the dominion, you won't be challenged by Jem'Hadar ships immediately, nor will you likely meet anyone who even represents or considers themselves part of the dominion

Do you have a single fact to back that up? The Karemma certainly consider themselves members of the Dominion.

>>5157

The irony of calling someone a Changling defender while posting an image of a Cardassian is palpable.

>>5176

t. Attempted oppressors of the Cardassian Union

>>3011

They became the Borg. Probably changed the design from insectoid monster to human cyborg for practical reasons.

>>5131

No you missed the point. They wont defend their own people when treaty demands it. They only do things when it convenient for them.

>>5254

This.

Picard treated the Indians on the Cardassian border - Federation citizens - like shit. Bear in mind they were willing to fight for themselve and became Maquis. But he bent over backwars for the alien Baku who were filthy pacifists.

>>5257

The difference is the federation told the Indians before they settled colonized the planet,That shits still up in the air. and disputed It may be be the federations in a few decades/years whatever

The baku even though warp capable that had settled on a planet before the federation even knew about it.

There is a difference. Insurrection is still a shitty movie but there is a difference between the two events

>>5260

My understanding is that the Indians settled a planet near the Cardassian border that, long after settlement during peace negotiations, was given to Cardassia. Picard was the iron fist of Federation oppression in that case.

The Baku were a bunch of fuckwit hippies who were sitting on the fountain of youth. They weren't Federation citizens. The fact of the matter is, you are better off not being a member of the Federation when dealing with the Federation.

>>5266

memory alpha gives this.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Journey%27s_End_(episode)

Then they left Earth 200 years ago in order to preserve their cultural identity, and it was not until twenty years ago when they finally found a planet to settle. Admiral says she is aware and raised objections unsuccessfully. She says those people were originally warned about their settlement and agreed to the risk. Ultimately, it is a reasonable price to pay for peace.

It sounds like they were warned before they really settled down roots but said fuck it.

Maybe. you could still be right due to that vagueness. 20 years settled ago the admiral objected maybe back then due to ongoing conflict with the cardies?

>>5276

>Ultimately, it is a reasonable price to pay for peace.

Kicking 300 Baku out of their village and using the eternal life gas they bogart to cure diseases is an even better deal.

This isn't the first time the Federation fucked over citizens. A Human colony on Tau Cygna V was forcibly moved after living there for a century.

>>5002

Its not matter that is the issue, its the energy used to break and remold it.

>>5266

And the entire thing is fucked up, seeing as the pure point of it was as a military alliance, the ideals and shit were whatever. Thats why there were non interference clauses.

>>812

>State their policy is to not start wars

Reread this until you become less retarded. Not starting a fight is different than not being willing to fight at all.

>And each time it started was because the Federation was encroaching on their neighbor's territory

Not correct.

They're still shit though.

>>5417

>Reread this until you become less retarded

That's what you should do anon :^)

>>4701

>its good living is subsidized by the outlying worlds and resources.

hmmm

>>4999

The Prime Directive doesn't apply to Federation citizens though, which the colonists were.

>>8383

>The Prime Directive doesn't apply to Federation citizens though

But that's wrong, fucko the clown.

>which the colonists were

No, Turkana was an Earth colony that failed, gain its independence before the Federation was a thing and remains non-aligned to any major power, you fuckqueen.

>>8388

>But that's wrong, fucko the clown.

There are numerous examples where Humans are seen as automatic vassals of the Federation. The Masterpiece society episode, Riker states it isn't interference if Humans are involved, and that was a bunch of eugenicists in a sealed dome. They forcibly migrated an entire group of people they didn't even know had a colony to placate the Sheliak. And with the whole Maquis secession issue, it's pretty clear they consider any Humans to be Federation citizens.

>>>8388

>No, Turkana was an Earth colony that failed, gain its independence before the Federation was a thing

This is totally wrong, faggot. The colony fell apart in 2350. You're saying the Federation didn't exist in the 24th century?

>>8403

>There are numerous examples where Humans are seen as automatic vassals of the Federation.

Yes, but is Turkana one of them? No, they're not. They are explicitly non-aligned.

>They forcibly migrated an entire group of people they didn't even know had a colony to placate the Sheliak.

That planet was colonized by Federation citizens hence why the Federation has any level of control control over them.

>This is totally wrong, faggot. The colony fell apart in 2350. You're saying the Federation didn't exist in the 24th century?

No, I'm saying they left before the Federation was a thing. They fled earth after WW3 in the 2000s and settled it. They have never been part of the Federation (it was settled in 2297, however the people traveled there in sub-warp speed ships and left Earth before the Federation was founded.) They had independence well before the Federation was a thing because they were independent from everyone and everything when they left. They didn't find out about the Federation until the 24th century.

>>8425

Trying way too hard, buddy

>>8426

>No, I'm saying they left before the Federation was a thing. They fled earth after WW3 in the 2000s and settled it. They have never been part of the Federation

This is flatly wrong. Turkhana IV was a Federation world until the government collapsed, and the Coalition and Alliance declared their independence from the Federation, then severed all contact.

This claim they were their own colony before the federation is total bullshit.

>>8431

>I don't know how I can get you to see reason Anon but all information is out there and it backs me up. Feel free to look it up if you want. If you're unwilling to do that then whatever, be ignorant.

It isn't though. You're completely full of shit. The only things you reference are on Memory Beta, which is non-canonical and why you won't post a link there.

>>8431

>Try not to get so triggered and paranoid.

Okay, now you're not trying hard enough.

>>8432

The division between Canon and Non-Canon for the Star Trek wiki's is simply means TV series/movies and not the TV series/movies, not what is considered to be only true vs not by the franchise creators.

Whatever. Accept what you want.

>>8435

It's difficult to try when I'm in my Black Helicopter having a chat with my fellow Men In Black. Behind you! Faggot.

>>8454

>The division between Canon and Non-Canon for the Star Trek wiki's is simply means TV series/movies and not the TV series/movies, not what is considered to be only true vs not by the franchise creators.

This has never been how Paramount determines canon. Any novelization or game is non-canon. Only television or movies are canonical. Further, dialogue always trumps visuals.

Star Trek novels and games contradict each other all the time, and rather than try to organize it like SW used to into 'rings' of canon they just declare the EU shit non-canon. This is why Memory Beta exists. You're calling people fuckclowns for not following your own headcanon.

>>8454

You are so, so bad at this.

>>8457

Whatever man, I honestly stopped caring a long while ago. Accept what you want, don't bother me none.

>>8493

You seem rustled. Calm down fam, it’s just a thread.

>>8500

I don't think you understand what rustled means. Rustled means angry. I'm ambivalent.

>>3007

I wish the creators of Star Trek would make up their minds about what the fuck a phaser is.

It disintegrates matter, right?

So no matter how scary, big, muscly, or resilient, an enemy is, at the kill setting it should be vaporized. DIS made the same mistake in episode 3 and I've seen this crap in all series.

>>8828

IIRC disintegration is meant to be it's highest setting. But yes writers are inconsistent with that.

I actually wonder how the hell the Federation survived post Dominion War considering how much shit they were in?

>>12187

By sacrificing Frosted Frake's beard.

>>12432

The cost of war was too high.

>>3499

>Not watching them to work out exactly how much you hate them.

>Not taking detailed notes of the missed opportunities, lack of continuity, failed references, terribad acting/casting/costume/script/blocking.

>Not knowing more about NuTrek than its normie tier fans, precisely so you can explain exactly how worthless it is.

>>813

>communists final form has a better understanding of individual choice than Feds

This should surprise me, but it doesn't anymore

>>8403

>>8388

Pretty sure the two of you are talking about two different planets…making you both autistic retards.

>>15156

This is an ancient conversation, but it was about Turkhana IV. You just have no reading comprehension.

>>15158

It's clear that the one guy was talking about Turkana IV. I assumed the other anon had somehow got it mixed up with the glass-dome planned-society people, as he kept claiming it was founded pre-Federation in the 22nd century.

>>15159

What was Turkana IV colonized by to fall apart like that? Niggers?

>pretends to be utopian space society who evolved above violence and don't need no weapons

>goes to war all the fucking time

>gets ass kicked by arrogant, posturing enemies

>gets threatened by factions with no interest in peace to begin with

>fucking bugs literally infiltrate the entire starfleet high command

>"weapons research? fuck that shit we are not a military"

>has to ass pull and jury rig some ridiculous science-based solution to literally every problem

>problems that wouldn't exist in the first place if they had weapons

>>15389

Problems that wouldn't exist in the first place if they applied common sense.

>>15409

What do you mean?

>>15422

weapons.

>>5004

It's pretty much the same shit you see in most RL military outfits - competent people don't tend to make it much past senior NCO (such as, say, Chief Petty Officer), or they get locked into relatively mid range officer jobs as far away as they can be put. The people who hit staff ranks are the connected, the unscrupulous (but too incompetent to be allowed an actual command), and the fall guys.

>>5179

>Hey, you what's a good idea?

>What?

>Accepting a chance to surrender and maintain most of our culture and at least some political autonomy rather than being genocided, that means Cardassia survives and we have a chance to either break free or become the main face of the Dominion in the Alpha Quadrant.

>Yeah, that does sound like a good idea.

>>15462

Military is a shitshow. Takes a war for good people to get in charge.

This rant about the politics of DS9 (With mostly focuses on the Federation), from the reactionary reviewer Argent explain the retardation of the Federation well.

>>17257

>Klingon Warbird

>Thinks ships like the Galaxys are standard

I am beyond triggered.

>>17257

>Struggles to remember what Warships are called

What?

>Presumes that map is accurate

wew no, it's some fanshit ledditors think is canon.

>Defiant blows most ships out the water and it's efficient

Except it doesn't. Defiant is a lot better than other Escorts and punches above it's weight able to take on up to Destroyers, but it's a lot more expensive than other Escorts to the point it costs as much as a Cruiser in terms of resources to churn out and will get it's ass kicked by said Cruisers.

>Calls Vorta Vor'cha

And that's when I stopped watching the video myself. He gets so much shit wrong I can't stomach listening to more.

Federation promotes pedophilia via Trill.

>>814

hew-mons

why must they constantly fuck shit up?

>>17262

>wew no, it's some fanshit ledditors think is canon.

This tbh, probably the most accurate map that exists of Star Trek (at-least of 2151) is the Stellaris' "Star Trek: New Horizons" mod.

>>15152

>Borg r gommunsits XD

Get the fuck off my board.

To get a valid assessment of the Federation one has to know if they outlawed spanking

>>18772

I think we know the answer to that.

>>18776

IT IS THE RISKTAKERS WHO BOLDY TAKE THE LASH OF THE SPANKING SO WE MAY EXPLORE BETTER!

>>5114

You might really enjoy reading about the earlier days of the Texas Rangers.

Before they became a baseball team.

>>4742

>Dax, that fucking cunt, replies that they will never stop coming to explore

The federation are basically niggers.

>>18885

Tell me more?

>>18887

More like religion of peace, pretending to be friendly before subverting your culture and replacing it with their own.

More Federation is portrayed the more appears as the creepy girlfriend who you hate.

>>823

>Humans are pretty spread out

Indeed, it seems a lot of human extrasolar colonies were created before the Federation even existed, I'm sure not all wanted to join when humans from Earth showed up on their doorsteps.

>hey remember us?

>yeah we tried to get away from you years ago

>>20467

I could imagine a lot of human border colonies being like /k/ innawoods and when the Feds send a landing party going innabutt. I am curious what a planet of the s.t.a.l./k/.e.r.s would be likes

More likely to have a planet of the diaperfags considering how soy the Federation is.

>>20503

>borg invade a colony

>they've planned for this with a stockpile of TR-116B kinetic rifles from the 22nd century

>>28099

If we're going to have the Borg be retardedly vulnerable to stabbing then can we at least get one episode where the Borg attempt to assimilate a relatively remote Federation colony only to be met with vid related?

>>20467

ENT nixes that idea. Until Warp 5 it took years to get anywhere far from Earth. Also, we don't know the state of infrastructure between First Contact and episode 1 of ENT. How are they producing colony ships when they are rebuilding a world? Starfleet is more of a coast guard than an actual fleet until the Enterprise is built.

>>28146

We've seen several on screen. Terra Nova in ENT, the Irish Amish/clone colonies established by the European Hegemony in TNG, and the "perfect society" of genetically conditioned people in a glass some in a later episode of TNG. If you want to stretch the definition a little you could say that some of those weird "alternate Earth" episodes of TOS were in fact highly deteriorated pre-federation colonies.

>>28148

>If you want to stretch the definition a little you could say that some of those weird "alternate Earth" episodes of TOS were in fact highly deteriorated pre-federation colonies.

I've always had this in my head canon as something that is likely true. I would not be surprised if somewhere they've retconned this into being canon or will make it canon at some point since it makes far too much sense.

>>28148

It's overall unclear when a lot of these colonies were launched from Earth.

We know that the SS Botany Bay was launched sometime after the Eugenics Wars in the late 20th Century.

Star Trek's timeline between World War II and the mid-21st Century is overall very vague and weird. We don't know when the Eugenics Wars started, if humanity sent nuclear engined interplanetary vessels out in the late 20th century, then that would conflict with a lot of the established timeline.

According to The Motion Picture, ENT and even the Kelvin Timeline (J.J. Verse, since everything prior to the events of the 2009 film's start is unaltered), things like the Space Shuttle Enterprise actually flew in space and was a working Space Shuttle. If things like the International Space Station and the Space Shuttle are canon in Star Trek, then when is the Eugenics Wars supposed to take place?

Did Star Trek universe earth actually colonise plants and the moon with the technology of the time? According to the VOY episode, "One Small Step", in 2032, Earth was sending the first manned missions to Mars, but this still puts in a lot of weird questions about the politics of Earth which leads to World War III.

The amount of weird stuff in Star Trek's pre-warp Earth timeline is often so vague, we have no clue as to what the actual course of events were. All we have confirmed is that the Eugenics Wars happened and that somehow the SS Botany Bay was sent out of the solar system before humanity had even gone to Mars. That and that World War III was a nuclear exchange which lead to a nuclear winter and then a bloody war, between military units which no longer kept their allegiance to their country of origin. That and Colonel Green being one of the most evil people in Earth's history, along with Ghengis Khan and Adolf Hitler.

The only established things we have, are that Zefram Cochrane did his warp flight in 2063, First Contact occured with the Vulcans, United Earth was established at a conference in San Francisco, the location the peace treaty ending World War III was signed, and that Starfleet and other such organisations for establishing a presence in space were formed afterwards.

>>812

We come in peace

>>28367

So essentially there could be dozens if not hundreds of human colonies out in space not affiliated at all with the Federation at all? There could even potentially be a rival human Empire out there in a long forgotten region of space that retained their warlike nature?

>>28881

Theoretically. We do see one such colony in TNG, those Irish farmers, if I remember correctly, but since Star Trek has never properly established pre-First Contact timelines with any great certainty, it can be up to anyone's guess what and how many human colonies exist. In ENT, there was that failed colony, Terra Nova, but since we've only seen about 2 or 3 non-Federation human colonies in the entirety of Star Trek (with huge amounts of debate over the "second Earth" places seen in TOS), we do not know a definitive answer, and we probably won't considering the direction Star Trek has gone in since the cancellation of ENT.

So the Federation is like the U.N?

>>31997

Don't be silly, U.N. doesn't have any power or authority.

>>32045

neither does the federation; starfleet has the power and authority.

>>812

Kind of like reminds of the EU :D a bunch of small states but united suddenly a power to reckon with.

>>814

>missing the Romulans

Massive war.

>>33199

Did you even read the post at all?

>>812

The federation are basically Cardassians only the show has the propaganda blinders on for them and the viewers.

<Enjoy your holodecks and replicators

<Don't think about Section 31 or how it has the authority to vanish people

<Don't ask questions about elections or who is ruling this "federation"

<Hey look another holodeck program for you or a play for you to participate in.

<Yes be obsessed over this ancient earth story or learning to play this ancient earth instrument of music.

The guys in the federation are brainwashed workaholics and no one has any idea who and how rules the federation, they are perfect drones.

<Eat soma

Daily reminder that the Cardassians have entertainment centers they go with their families to.

>>28885

It's also not impossible that some of the first generation colonies that didn't end up technologically regressing could have had their own colonists leaving some time after they were settled, and not necessarily under friendly circumstances.

Its Space America. What did you expect?