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e74aac  No.30842[View All]

Here's the trailer for the DS9 documentary.

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98229c  No.30877

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>>30851

He may be a lunatic, but he's a likeable lunatic. That is until he butchers you and eats your remains while hoping he gains god powers from consuming your angel flesh

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ca759e  No.30882

>>30855

Less of a career killer than the other Treks, I mean sorry you're not a Becker fan but what's Denise Crosby been up to

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1d5a0f  No.30898

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>>30843

> it's the signature role of his whole career

What's funny is I saw this movie on Comet last month, Arena (1989), which is set on space station and Marc Alaimo plays a fight organizer and Armin Shimerman is his rat-faced henchman. Alaimo's character has very Dukat hair as well… all four years before DS9, huh.

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1d5a0f  No.30899

>>30898

… oh and it also has the commander lady from Babylon 5…

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1b204a  No.30905

>>30898

Comet is a channel that fucking absolutely NEEDS DVR. They have the legal limit of commercials and its fucking hard to watch that shit while it airs. The only things worse is the outdoor channels. Not only do they have the legal limit of commercials, the shows themselves are usually glorified infomercials. FFS I just want to watch people hunt and fish.

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c2f746  No.30907

File: 25118f3a0436a5b⋯.jpg (13 KB, 136x255, 8:15, cf513530db50193753669706a3….jpg)

>look up some of the cast

>almost everyone is in their 60s

>Brooks, Auberjonois, Alaimo, and Robinson are in their 70s

>fucking Jake is fucking 40

WHY IS EVERYTHING SO OLD NOW FUCK

Also, I didn't know that Visitor and Siddig were married.

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c2f746  No.30908

File: 25ba8c6542cfe3c⋯.jpg (165.46 KB, 500x500, 1:1, Benny_Russell.jpg)

>>30855

>but he was never literally fucking insane like Brooks

My theory is that Benny Russell is Brooks' true personality.

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f18c89  No.30933

File: d3e3aab9a3d352b⋯.jpg (212.84 KB, 1251x1600, 1251:1600, ser552-g09c_FULL.jpg)

>>30898

Holy shit, Claudia Christian is in that movie too.

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0f83b9  No.30938

>>30842

The 1 second glimpse of Nana shows she still has it.

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e557ab  No.30978

>>30907

Nana Visitor's child on DS9 was the child of Siddig.

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75845d  No.30979

>>30908

Avery Brooks thinking he's actually a Federation Captain trapped in a hallucinatory fictional past that's been crafted to make him suffer would explain all of his unusual behavior.

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f11184  No.30982

>>30908

They never told him it was an episode. They just dropped him on-set and rolled the cameras.

That's the real reason some of the cast said that during his nervous breakdown they started getting worried for Avery's mental health.

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941575  No.30983

>>30982

Sounds too good that it must be legit.

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e99e20  No.31334

Somebody can make a webm or something. Nice little 10min interview with Visitor and that blue-bearded faggot. Spoiler: He implies that Garak is a homo, saying his sexuality is "obvious" or something.

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/what-we-left-behind-documentary-looks-back-at-star-trek-deep-space-nine/

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a4cd95  No.31335

>>31334

Garak is gay for the state. How do retards not know this?

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f7f8c9  No.31338

>>31335

If only. The actor wanted to make it seem as if Garak was always hiding something even when they ruined the mystery of his character, so he played him as a faggot. It ruined Garak for me but it's obvious on a rewatch. DS9 is jewish and pozzed even on its unseen levels.

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3d6dcb  No.31339

>>31338

That's only one way to look at it. Method acting doesn't determine a character. Hugh Jackman would take freezing cold showers to get super pissed off to prepare for playing Wolverine. What you're saying is like implying that means Wolverine also took cold showers. Aside from that, preference does not determine sexuality. Garak could have been sexually attracted to Bashir, and even WOULD HAVE fucked him if given the chance, but since said chance never arose, it's irrelevant. In the purest sense, Garak is asexual, because he would never allow himself to get that close to anyone; and if he did, it would just be an act.

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20ff56  No.31343

>>31339

Garak had a female cardassian love interest, Dukat's daughter.

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0b60b4  No.31364

>>30842

This whole 'documentary' is so self-indulgent I just can't give a care.

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3d6dcb  No.31365

>>31343

It wasn't a love interest, at least not from his side.

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ae01a1  No.31374

>>30842

Behr is such a fucking faggot.

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ae01a1  No.31375

>>30855

Dr Finn in the Orville is played by the same actress that was Sisko's smugglergf. Then again she's actually competent.

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1d5a0f  No.31379

>>30855

>I think it's quite obvious that Shatner was hitting the bottle quite hard at some point but he was never literally fucking insane like Brooks. At conventions the guy is tripping super hard, fans pretend it's some kind of "coolness". No wonder that his career completely died after DS9 (but then again, besides Siddig DS9 was a career killer for every cast member).

This outing didn't fair any better for him, the generous description repeated by the cast was "you have to approach Avery like he's a jazz artist," then everyone shared their stories of his completely batshit comments on set, followed a few short clips of Avery jabbering unintelligibly which I guess we're the only usable portions.

>>30908

>My theory is that Benny Russell is Brooks' true personality.

They even state this in the documentary as well, with extended after "cut" excerpt curled up in the fetal position balling and everyone else looking really uncomfortable.

About 50-60 people at the showing I went to. The clips featured look exceptionally well in HD most of the time, some shots seemed a tad out of focus (but hey it's TV). There was a re-rendered CGI scene from the dominion war fleet battle, it was a good tease for what is possible but was by no means a final polished cinema-ready version (where has all Shatner's beer money gone); the ship hull textures look all too clean for instance, a dull filter overlay would have made it look more realistic.

Not really much interesting that hasn't been speculated about or asked a dozen times at cons over the years, I'd heard 90% of the stuff mentioned in the doc on this board at some time. A few good behind the scenes stories, like Nana Visitor and Marc Alaimo's unrequited sexual tension… Dukat… I mean Marc… really wanted to tap that

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49e927  No.31380

File: d0796839779250d⋯.jpg (276.15 KB, 890x1280, 89:128, d0796839779250dae4a162b416….jpg)

>>31364

Is it just gonna be nostalgia with "hurr durr it was such a masterwork"?

Honestly when I watch interviews with Behr he seems kinda regretful over some decisions he has done in the show, and how he'd probably like to redo it now in the age of big-budget serialized epic TV shows that are available on demand. Back in the day the studio would push back hard against serialization because the audience wouldn't be comfortable with it, you had to watch every episode on time and if you miss one you had to wait till you can buy the VHS after the season ended, and a VHS could only contain 2-3 episodes max, so you couldn't even buy/rent out the entire season. This is why DS9 to me always comes over as opening up great things but fails in execution. Season 7 was crap, the way they tied it up was crap, they didn't go all the way with grey characters (Bashir ended up being good although he could have "succumbed" to the arrogance of the genetically enhanced and get mad, Dukat could become more grey instead of turning into an insane comic book villian that has no other objective than destroying the galaxy, Garak could have ended up as ambiguous instead of ending up a hero, some more main characters could have died, Kira could have been confronted with a decision where she had to choose between Bajor and the Federation and ends up betraying both of them, etc.) - Damar was the most "daring" thing they pulled, they developed an extra into a villian and then into an anti-hero, in a way that Game of Thrones couldn't have done it any better (the good GoT, not the crap GoT after season 4).

But in the end, it all falls short. The ensemble cast all survives and nobody turns evil, Dukat becomes a comic book villian, and the good side wins. Alaimo has complained for years now how he disliked the direction they were going with Dukat, and Behr has implicitly admitted that it was a decision merely based on the fact that he was becoming popular and you couldn't have people cheering for what is basically a fascist at conventions - today this also isn't a problem, but it was back in the day when you had Tipper Gore campaigning against "evil rock music" and similar stuff. I would have even liked to turn Garak bisexual, why not? In that way, if you compare it to the recent TV shows with blockbuster budgets and epic storylines, DS9 hasn't aged too well. People still watch TNG because it's episodical, you can just pick out your favourite episode and enjoy it by itself, and it is mostly all conceptual episodes with less emphasis on big effects or badass fights. However, DS9 needs badass fights, grimdark aesthetics, a sense of gloom, a dramatic score, etc. to function. As such, it was a pioneer back in its day but you always get the feeling that they could have been done it better if they had the means at their disposal they have today, and I think the creators and the cast both feel that way, so maybe this whole documentary is actually just an advertisement: It is released at a time in which ST series are created left and right, and if we can get a series about the fucking backstory of Georgou from STD then why can't we get another season of DS9? Just make a 20 years jump. I mean, fuck, just look at what could be done with DS9 if you have the money that STD has.

But their application will be left unheard. The studios in charge of ST now wouldn't be interested in a show that would only appeal to the Trekkie fanbase and not boomers and zoomers that go "MEMBER SPOCK MEMBER ENTERPRISE".

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49e927  No.31381

>>31379

I don't know how he pulls it off, but it's amazing how Alaimo goes from average-looking to being attractive by putting on Cardassian make-up, which, let's be honest, isn't the most flattering alien make-up they have in Star Trek. But then again I imagine Visitor having quite a high standard considering she's really cute, no kidding.

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49e927  No.31382

>>31379

>They even state this in the documentary as well, with extended after "cut" excerpt curled up in the fetal position balling and everyone else looking really uncomfortable.

Okay, I'm genuinely worried about Brooks' mental health now. I assume he just did a lot of coke.

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0b60b4  No.31398

I like in the trailer about how they throw it into whiteys face about a "big, black, and powerful" captain and they spend the rest of the time backpedaling and talking about 'muh journey within'.

DS9, to me, is a show that was always less than the sum of its parts.

>>31379

So a jabbering mental nigger is the only person they could get to play Sisko? It is pottery of the state of affirmative action in American society and to what lengths these jews will go to push their cancer.

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826bd6  No.31409

File: 8376e0b4feb5522⋯.jpg (14.98 KB, 438x417, 146:139, Kira_as_Iliana.jpg)

>>31381

To be fair, Visitor improves by putting on Cardassian make-up too.

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ae31a9  No.31410

>>31380

>Back in the day the studio would push back hard against serialization because the audience wouldn't be comfortable with it, you had to watch every episode on time and if you miss one you had to wait till you can buy the VHS after the season ended, and a VHS could only contain 2-3 episodes max, so you couldn't even buy/rent out the entire season.

Honestly I prefer the episodic-with-background-arcs approach to excessive serialisation. The latter almost always ends up with bullshit ass-pull twists after the first few seasons when the good starting characters and plot ideas are used up and often with a lot of filler too.

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49e927  No.31411

>>31410

Which is why you need to have them based on books or historical events, because I don't trust TV writers to be able to do it. GoT went to shit after they took the books over. Are there any good ST books? I have never read any.

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ae31a9  No.31413

>>31411

Honestly the later GoT books got pretty stupid as well. The entire thing would have been better if it was limited to 2-3 seasons max.

>Are there any good ST books? I have never read any.

From what I know they're mostly just fanfiction or wrapping up loose ends.

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0b60b4  No.31414

>>31409

and having longer hair like in season 7. The dyke haircut did her no favors.

>>31410

Episodic allows for great one off episodes that a serialized story doesn't allow. It is why I hate the

>everything must be serialized like GoT

approach.

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74bd26  No.31416

>>31334

How do you tell if an alien is a homo? Garak is brave and tough as fuck. That is a real spymaster. I bet he lays the solder down with all the Cardassians babes he can get.

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826bd6  No.31424

>>31414

>Episodic allows for great one off episodes that a serialized story doesn't allow

Yeah, that's the problem with excessive serialisation. The series is meant to be viewed as a whole and as a result the individual episodes tend not to be too memorable, each episode just blends into the next with none of them really standing out. You don't often hear people taking about specific episodes that they love from that kind of show.

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49e927  No.31436

>>31424

You can still have complete serialization and tell the stories "episodically", such as focusing completely on one character/location in one episode. I don't like when it's like in GoT where you have 5-6 story arc playing out in one episode simultaneously, that results in fragmentation and frankly boring parts because you know the story of this or that character won't actually do anything this episode. The best GoT episodes were the ones that only focused on one storyline, like the Battle of Blackwater. You could also easily just cut together all scenes or one character into one episode. I think this is possible and was actually used by Walking Dead a lot, but the problem was that Walking Dead turned to shit because of different reasons, mainly bad writing and petty personal drama, with dialog that thought it was smarter than it really it was (just like STD), but I do actually like the serialization via somewhat hermeneutic episodes approach.

Episodic shows have problems as well, and I think The Orville shows that. You don't have any real stakes every episode and it usually follows the same scheme: Introduction of a problem, twist, moral dilemma, resolution. This can get boring pretty quickly especially when you have an ensemble cast where everybody is the good guy and wears tons of plot armour. DS9 tried to move away from this but still suffered from it.

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624542  No.31445

>>31436

>You can still have complete serialization and tell the stories "episodically", such as focusing completely on one character/location in one episode. I don't like when it's like in GoT where you have 5-6 story arc playing out in one episode simultaneously, that results in fragmentation and frankly boring parts because you know the story of this or that character won't actually do anything this episode. The best GoT episodes were the ones that only focused on one storyline, like the Battle of Blackwater. You could also easily just cut together all scenes or one character into one episode. I think this is possible and was actually used by Walking Dead a lot, but the problem was that Walking Dead turned to shit because of different reasons, mainly bad writing and petty personal drama, with dialog that thought it was smarter than it really it was (just like STD), but I do actually like the serialization via somewhat hermeneutic episodes approach.

A lot of the better end of SoL anime does that focussed-episodic approach and it works very well when executed properly. Part of that is anime usually being limited to 12-13 24ish minute episodes a season instead of 22+ at close to an hour so there's no room for filler.

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66ee02  No.31452

File: 0b34e841f3f0bc7⋯.jpg (96.55 KB, 504x502, 252:251, sad doge.jpg)

>>30907

that dirty fucking faggot got kira irl?

this is making me more upset than it should.

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66ee02  No.31453

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>>31380

seems like such a stupid fear. I mean, sure you will have certain people cheering dukat because he was as close to a nazi as you could get in a tv show that wasnt outright protrayed as evil incarnate.

For me, the reason i liked dukat was that he always managed to manipulate the situation and me, and i always gave him the benefit of the doubt, until it was revealed he was a two-faced little rat. Then he's leave for a while, come back with a whole new scheme and i'd give him the benefit of the doubt again. I was in his corner everytime, only for him to reveal he was being a dick yet again.

He was one of the few characters to really make me question the nature of evil, and what it means to vilify the enemy, who could very well just be fighting for what he believes in, the same as you. That is a very complex idea for most viewers to digest, and whether that was the intent or not, that was the question it raised in me, and i think its also the main thing that made him so compelling.

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49e927  No.31455

>>31453

>seems like such a stupid fear

Absolutely, but it was a different time back then. Today you have characters like Ramsay Bolton or Negan being everybody's darling, and both of them are ten times worse than Dukat.

But Behr is on recording stating, that after the Marquis two-parter in S2, they didn't want Dukat to become "the friendly neighbourhood Cardassian" and they wanted to make clear that he's "evil". Hence the abusive relationship between Marc Alaimo's characterisation and the writers started to unfold, where they on one hand needed him to carry the main arc, on the other hand felt deeply uncomfortable with him becoming a fan favourite and a scene-stealer. In the end the writers decided to make him an insane villian, and I believe this could have been handled much better.

The fact about him being a two-faced rat is one of his obvious flaws, but it was mixed until the very end because he'd always given platforms to argue his viewpoint even if you disagree with it, yet it came over as sensible. This is why people still talk about someone in 2019 who was basically a side character - if an ISIS fighter tells you he enslaved women and children because Allah told him to, you clearly think he's just nuts, but for some reason Dukat's position is always somewhat reasonable, even if he is a fascist turncloak resembling a tinpot dictator installed by the US in Africa or Latin America.

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776c6a  No.31466

So who has watched this? Is it worth watching?

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9d2cf4  No.31512

>>31466

Wait for the .torrent.

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f6b9da  No.31519

>>31512

When?

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c4095c  No.31996

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b898c4  No.32033

>>31996

Never ever

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050889  No.32050

>>32033

Butterlord tier?

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4acc80  No.32092

>people unironically praising game of reddit itt

You need to fuck off back to cuckchannel.

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4074a8  No.32850

>>31375

>Dr Finn

She also raised proper sons to grow up as men (once she got a male robot role model in the picture).

The older boy takes the firearm and stands outside the fort to fight off the encroaching hoard while she goes inside to be nurturing.

You'd never see that on nu-Trek.

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4a0154  No.32934

File: fcc3f5db6d4915f⋯.png (40.39 KB, 500x377, 500:377, remover.png)

>>32850

>low iq ugly niglets ruin every scene theyre in

>muh blacc negress shaman of color is a stronk independent vagina single mother ruining every scene she's in

>based niglet saves the day

>based negress is baste

This trio- worst characters on the entire show and that takes into consideration the new security tranny and the sodomite gendertranspectral worf stand-in who despite their insipid character traits (front hole and marmite mining, respectively) are infinitely more tolerable.

Please fuck off back to reddit, negrolater.

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1b204a  No.32954

File: 5436e49b6d57165⋯.mp4 (307.69 KB, 360x360, 1:1, this_toaster_is_a_nigger.mp4)

>>32934

Lurk moar. Your terrible post actually got reported for being terrible… twice. You don't have to prove anything. We all already hate niggers.

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badae7  No.33037

>>32954

Could be argued that the message needs to be repeated often due to frequent incursion by tumblrinas, /leftypol/ and rebbit, especially after we won the hunger games. O'sullivan's law.

Smug pedantic cuckposters as witnessed in post >>33010 need to be reminded early and often that they are not welcome, as was done immediately in >>33013 and >>33014. Personally I appreciate the crass and blunt responses they get, especially given how the leftist posts usually exude a smug self-assurance typical of their COR-certified echo chambers.

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