c7d77c No.26260 [Last50 Posts]
ok /Strek, do I watch all of TOS, or are there episodes worth skipping.
the only series I have skipped no eps of was DS9 and I'm not sure if I regret it.
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8eac05 No.26261
>>26260
You should always watch every ep the first time around, only skip the shit on re-watches.
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5a2fd5 No.26262
Watch all of them. Any list of episodes to avoid will probably be contentious because some truly great episodes flirt between ridiculous and brilliant, like their trip to the planet of Nazis or encountering Abraham Lincoln in outer space. Both of these are great episodes but also cheesy as fuck.
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16adb5 No.26263
>>26260
Avoid almost everything written personally by Gene Roddenberry. Much like George Lucas, he was brilliant at being a producer (coming up with the high-concept ideas and hiring good people to implement them), but he needed to be kept off the set and out of the writing room or else he'd just fuck things up. He wrote most of the worst episodes, and none of the best.
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3c5e91 No.26270
any ep that's
>shatner getting his ego sucked hard
>the two part flash back ep in the first season
>all the time traveling shit
>all the it's an alien race that're X period of time in human history
>the stupid rock creatures that make an abe lincoln and Surak fight four other mooks
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c7d77c No.26273
>>26261
i suppose its not too big a deal, with only 3 seasons
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c4a891 No.26274
>>26260
Gotta watch 'em all. Many of them are also pretty good storywise.
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d6539d No.26282
ok /Strek, do I watch all of Star Trek, or are there series worth skipping.
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8eac05 No.26283
>>26282
VOY and ENT are shit upon a lot, but they both have their good episodes. If you don't want to sit through the shit, it isn't the worst thing in the world to use an episode guide for those two series (although you'll never understand other anon's pain unless you watch through the shit yourself). It should go without saying that STD is unwatchable trash.
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185cbc No.26284
>>26283
>>26282
I'd go as far as saying STD isn't even trek, despite having the official franchise name.
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0db96f No.26286
>>26284
It really isn't. There's some weird licensing split between Paramount and CBS. STD cannot use any original designs, Jew Jew Trek owns all that and Jew Jew Trek could reboot at any time not using anything from STD. STD also has its own rebooted continuity separate from the original and the movies. All that's left is the name.
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16adb5 No.26288
>>26263
>>26270
Funnily enough, there's a lot of overlap in the "avoid" suggestions in these two posts.
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16adb5 No.26289
>>26284
I might have actually liked STD if it wasn't explicitly labeled "Star Trek". It's a competently filmed show with nice high budget effects and some decent acting by most of the cast. But yeah, it sure ain't Trek. Thank god for the Orville.
Swap out some ship designs for something without saucers and nacelles, call Starfleet the "Space Corps" or something, rename the alleged Klingons to something else sci-fi-ey, but otherwise keep everything the same, and STD might just work as a stupid-but-pretty action show a la Battlestar Galactica.
>>26282
Season 4 ENT (excluding the finale) is actually pretty decent. And it includes what I think is one of the most interesting story arcs in Trek, the gradual alliance of the four founding races of the Federation, three of whom were previously in either cold or open war with each other for years. That's the sort of long-form lore-exploration that ENT should have been doing all along.
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f7a185 No.26290
>>26289
>Battlestar Galactica
>stupid but pretty
>not space mormons
All I remember about that reboot is how they turned starbuck into an edgy woman and deaged Baltar into a Julian Bashir clone.
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78d2a4 No.26291
Star Trek politics welcome on /pthicc
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9f0930 No.26334
Don't skip any episodes. What you need to understand is that "bad episodes" of Star Trek didn't really become miserable until TNG and beyond. When TOS had a bad episode, it was usually still pretty amusing. And, as a couple others mentioned, TOS's science fiction was generally pretty good, even when the premise was goofy.
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16adb5 No.26335
>>26334
>When TOS had a bad episode, it was usually still pretty amusing.
In that case, I invite you to spend a day marathoning the following:
Arena
Tomorrow Is Yesterday
The Return of the Archons
The Alternative Factor
Operation: Annihilate!
Catspaw
The Deadly Years
The Gamesters of Triskelion
A Piece of the Action
The Immunity Syndrome
Return to Tomorrow
Patterns of Force
By Any Other Name
The Omega Glory
Bread and Circuses
Assignment: Earth
Spock's Brain
The Paradise Syndrome
And the Children Shall Lead
The Tholian Web
Plato's Stepchildren
Wink of an Eye
The Empath
That Which Survives
The Way to Eden
The Savage Curtain
Turnabout Intruder
Please report back to us at the end of the day on how "amused" you are.
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3c5e91 No.26390
>>26335
afew of those you've listed aren't bad, not something I'd make noteworthy, "ok but tacos are better" I'd put
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bab4e3 No.26392
>>26335
>Arena
>The Tholian Web
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8eac05 No.26395
>>26335
>A Piece of the Action
>Bad
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96967e No.26396
>>26335
>The Gamesters of Triskelion
I thought it had some merit.
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827ef9 No.26397
>>26335
Sounds like you just don't like TOS. Most of the episodes you listed I don't consider to be bad at all, granted some of them are shit. I'm also a little annoyed that you put Arena as your first bad choice, as if it was the first thing to come to mind when thinking about what constitutes a bad episode. I think it's a great episode, Captain Kirk trapped in a battle against a Gorn twice his size. No weapons, no support, no backup, only his wit and ingenuity to rely on. And even after being locked in a 'kill or be killed' battle, he still chooses to stick to his principles. It's a good episode, like many on that list. You either have bad taste or hate fun or both.
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16adb5 No.26400
>>26397
Damn right I put Arena on that list. It's unwatchable nonsense.
But I am very much a TOS fan. How about the flip side, my favourite episodes? There's many.
Dagger of the Mind
The Conscience of the King (this is a goddamn masterpiece)
Balance of Terror (and so is this)
Shore Leave
The Galileo Seven
Space Seed
A Taste of Armageddon
The Devil in the Dark
Errand of Mercy
The City on the Edge of Forever
Amok Time
Mirror, Mirror
The Doomsday Machine
Journey to Babel
Wolf in the Fold
The Trouble with Tribbles
The Ultimate Computer
The Enterprise Incident
Is There in Truth No Beauty?
Whom Gods Destroy
Let That Be Your Last Battlefield
The Mark of Gideon
Requiem for Methuselah
The Cloud Minders
All Our Yesterdays
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9f0930 No.26410
>>26400
>I'm not the only person who thinks The Conscience of the King is a great episode
I disagree with quite a few of the entries on your "bad" list, but I can admit that you've got pretty good taste.
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aee134 No.26411
>>26289
BSG wasn't any more stupid than your typical Star Trek series, cut the shit.
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6d3485 No.26415
>>26282
Enterprise and Voyager are terrible.
Focus on TOS and its six movies, then watch TNG and you have pretty much the best of Star Trek. DS9 is okay but obviously a knockoff of Babylon 5 with a slow first season and a captain who overacts worse than Shatner ever did.
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16adb5 No.26449
>>26410
I've never understood why some people don't like Conscience of the King. It's a very well-written episode with some solid acting, even from Shatner. Yet it's often overlooked in "best of" lists.
I've often thought that it shows Kirk at his best: thorough, thoughtful, and ethical. He doesn't go all vigilante-justice even though he's 99.9% sure he's right, because he wants to be 100% sure.
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95e1ec No.26450
>>26335
Thank you for confirming you have shit taste.
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16adb5 No.26455
>>26450
Okay. How about you present a best-20 and worst-20 list? I'm deeply curious.
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16adb5 No.26477
>>26415
I say this as one of the biggest B5 fans ever: DS9's first season was nowhere near as boring or awful as B5's first season. DS9 may have had Move Along Home, but B5 had fucking TKO. And there's no excuse for TKO.
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9a3dbf No.26478
>>26477
DS9's first season was fucking bad, arguably as bad as TNG's.
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16adb5 No.26479
>>26478
>DS9's first season was fucking bad, arguably as bad as TNG's.
Whoa, let's not say things we can't take back.
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16adb5 No.26480
>>26478
>DS9's first season was fucking bad, arguably as bad as TNG's.
Sure. But what I'm saying is that B5's first season is even worse than that.
Don't get me wrong, B5 seasons 2-4 are masterpieces, and even most of 5 is pretty good.
But even us hardcore "B5 is the best thing ever" fanboys will be the first to admit that B5's first season is one of the worst things ever to be on TV. It's worse than season 1 of TNG. It's worse than season 1 of DS9. It's even worse than season 1 of Stargate SG1. It's worse than season one of Seaquest goddamn DSV.
There's actual made-by-fans lists of timecodes of important scenes in the crap episodes so that people can get the backstory and skip right to season two without suffering through most of season one. I can count the number of watchable episodes of season one B5 on one hand:
Deathwalker
Signs and Portents
A Voice in the Wilderness (parts 1 and 2)
Chrysalis
John Sheridan is B5's equivalent of Riker's beard. Ain't there? You're likely in for a very bad time.
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6a1c2c No.26486
>>26480
Nah, B5's first season is god awful on the first viewing, but rewatching it is kind of fun as you actually to see all the little hints and things you missed. Which, granted, is still a terrible way to start a show and probably why the spin off crashed and burned. And you couldn't pay me to watch it a third time. Meanwhile TNG's first season remains bad no matter off many times you've watched the entire series.
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8eac05 No.26490
>>26478
Hey now. It was slow, and not as good as later DS9, but it sure as hell ain't bad.
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0db96f No.26491
I went into B5 with no expectations and recall enjoying the first season quite a bit so I think you guys hate fun and are riddled with the aids. The show just took time to find its footing is all as most shows do. Then it took me awhile to warm up to Tron because I was used to that weird guy with schizophrenia, I liked him, also I liked that reptilian kike alien better as a perverted asshole arch nemesis of fanhead instead of the faggot hippy political activist he became. Prefer the bone head bitch bald too as someone who could be enemy or ally instead of just m'lady love interest omg she's so pretty perfect and nice for Tron. I also missed the giant mantis that dealt space crack or something. He just vanished into thin air. They should have at least killed him off.
Overall I think S1 was setting up a more sci fi/political thriller show and more drama was worked in later as the audience developed an affection for the characters. The drama got a little too heavy handed as B5 proceeded imo but it's still a good show.
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8bcc80 No.26494
Finally a chance to post these.
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16adb5 No.26502
>>26494
Okay, there is no goddamn way that Samaritan fucking Snare is on the same level as Conscience of the King. These lists are crap.
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f77f5f No.26506
>>26494
>Plato's Stepchildren
>Let That Be Your Last Battlefield
>The Savage Curtain
>Turnabout Intruder
<Bad
Whoever made these has shit taste.
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9a3dbf No.26516
>>26506
>>26502
It's probably some faggot who likes discovery who made them.
If you want to 'ignore' the 'bad' episodes you probably want to block 'bad' people too.
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19f4a5 No.26527
>>26494
>Voyager guide
I lol'd.
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8bcc80 No.26530
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95e1ec No.26536
>>26455
Balance of Terror
Conscience of the King
A Private Little War
Errand of Mercy
Who Mourns for Adonais
The Doomsday Machine
Wolf in the Fold
A Taste of Armageddon
Let That Be Your Last Battlefield
Trouble with Tribbles
Tomorrow is Yesterday
The Space Seed
Devil in the Dark
Requiem for Methuselah
Whom Gods Destroy
Tholian Web
Arena
The Enterprise Incident
The Gamesters of Triskelion
What are Little Girls Made of
I also enjoy The Way to Eden but only Ironically.
Picking my 20 worst would be harder because I quite enjoy TOS.
>>26506
Turnabout Intruder is pretty terrible.
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ee4356 No.26537
>>26494
Anyone who calls the motion picture kino has a fucking worthless opinion.
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ee4356 No.26538
>>26536
Turnabout Intruder is the most accurate portrayal of women ever.
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96967e No.26557
>>26537
They mean it's literally a Russian style movie.
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e6b226 No.26558
>>26557
How so? Russians make shit?
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96967e No.26584
>>26558
Back then Russians made slow plodding philosophical films. There was an anon on here that broke it down really well. Even their weird suit redesign is styled after ones seen in Russian sci-fi.
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9a3dbf No.26585
>>26584
The Motion Picture is not philosophical though. Just slow. All the '2deep4u' shit is a meme. It's the same premise as the episode with Nomad just with a bald woman.
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904ccf No.26587
>>26557
There is no "Russian style", a theater is just called "kino" in all of eastern Europe.
Film majors should be shot on site.
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904ccf No.26588
also that says K LJ N F not kino.
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96967e No.26595
>>26587
Yes, kino is a meme based off the eastern European word for cinema, but there is definitely a Russian style, especially for sci-fi.
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097751 No.26651
>>26595
Okay, name some Russian Sci Fi movies from the late 1970s.
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