cb9afb No.26071 [Last50 Posts]
So, I've started watching Enterprise and due to the popular opinion that it sucks ass my expectations were pretty low. But I'm 7 episodes in and I actually like it. Maybe because I'm just coming off of Voyager (which has possibly the least satisfying ending of all time, couldn't you have made 10 minutes of time for a real fucking wrap-up?) and am still suffering minor Janeway-related brain damage, but it seems to be a pretty decent show. The exploration of pre-Feddie Trek is interesting, the set design is good, at least on the NX-01, and the cast seem to be fairly competent. Archer is alright. And aside from going hot into the mpreg episode right at the start the stories have been solid. Does this turn into a flaming wreck later on or are the tales of how awful this show is exaggerated?
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80b40b No.26073
Yeah, later 1st and early 2nd season are extremely painful. And the Expanse arc of the 3rd season is like maybe seven good episodes, and lot of filler, and probably the some of the worst episodes of the series. About the only redeeming thing it has over Voyager is that it actually did a fairly good Borg episode, somewhat less technobabble bullshit, possibly because Trip's redneck accent wouldn't have been able to pull it off,and Dr Plox is slightly less annoying than Nelix.
also
>still suffering minor Janeway-related brain damage
Archer basically turns into Janeway with a dick. And I don't mean that in the sexy fetish-y way.
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b76247 No.26074
>>26071
Welcome fellow ENT lover. I went in with fairly low expectations as well (though I have two friends who told me they loved the show), but ended up really digging it.
>Does this turn into a flaming wreck later on or are the tales of how awful this show is exaggerated?
It gets so much better. Without spoiling anything, S3 is a season-long arc and, imho, a good example of what VOY should've been. S4 has mini arcs and the show really shines here. Manny Coto is the one you have to thank for saving what could be saved and actually delivering on really good storylines. The last episode is fucking garbage though (maybe you've heard people rightfully bitch about it) and I actually ended up reading a fucking ENT novel that (kinda) rewrote it just so we wouldn't end on that note. Just keep that in mind.
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068eb6 No.26075
I like how the crew got slowly redpilled as they went into deep space.
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0b8245 No.26076
>>26075
>Star Trek
>red pilled
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d901af No.26084
>>26071
>I've started watching Enterprise
>I'm just coming off of Voyager (which has possibly the least satisfying ending of all time, couldn't you have made 10 minutes of time for a real fucking wrap-up?)
Anon, have I got news for you…
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cb9afb No.26086
>>26084
Yeah, I've heard the ending for ENT is shit, I assume because the show basically got cancelled and they had to wrap it up quick.
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60a885 No.26090
>>26076
>>26076
Building a Dyson Sphere around the Earth and making Vulcan pay for it will never work and is just campaign rhetoric. Without galactic trade the economy of Earth will at best stagnate but more than likely decline. You do know what stagnate and decline means you dirty space miners? Plus, without immigrants who do you think will do education? Everyone wants to be in Starfleet and not a farmer, Earth needs immigration to do the dirty jobs humans don't want to do.
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8765ba No.26092
>>26086
It's worse. It's ended in what could have been pretty good, but it's done within a frame narrative that completely drains all meaning and feeling out of it for the sake of the frame narrative.
They could have just said the chef was his ancestor, they could have put the chef in without any comment, but they fucking tied it into the frame narrative and botched it so badly as a result.
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cdf816 No.26101
>>26092
Also Characters died in really contrived and poorly thought-out scenarios for the sole purpose of using their deaths for an emotional high.
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47b4cc No.26103
>>26101
and not even for the sake of motivating other characters in the series, no, it was for fucking Riker's motivations
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47b4cc No.26104
>>26092
about the only good thing about the ending is you could reasonably retcon it as being a shitty holodeck dramatization of the events rather than what actually happened.
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ae735c No.26107
>season 1 ep 2
>the nip comms slut picks up an alien slug and puts it on an entirely different planet without regards of that planets ecosystem
feeling it
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14be79 No.26112
>>26107
Still a better waifu than the Vulcan thot.
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ae735c No.26114
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>>26112
she seems more like a Romulan then a Vulcan with those emotional out bursts of hers but then again this is a show where a pre-industrial female "apothecary" is more intelligent then a starship captain
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d71c38 No.26116
>>26114
it's the drugs she's been addicted to the whole time which I thought was a clever attempt of the writers to cover the emotional acting of an actress that won't stop emoting
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ae735c No.26124
>>26116
what bullshit all the same.
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14be79 No.26125
>>26116
On top of the telepathically transmitted std she got during a previous season that was already suppose to be affecting her emotions.
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ae735c No.26133
>Ferengi ep
>surprise surprise they're their fucking quirky stupid joke race of lovable cunts
>even though this is before first contact with them
>even though they were practically savages in space with blue dildos
>and then slowly became what kikes think making fun of themselves looks like that isn't shitting over Italians
fuck me does enterprise get any better after the first season?
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9bb06d No.26134
>>26133
When you get more Shran and to Season 4.
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ae735c No.26135
>>26134
does it stop with the assumption bullshit as well? I'm really sick of the writers thinking they don't need to explain everything unrelated to story progression or character development
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ae735c No.26197
so it follows Voyagers example of raping the Borg by raping the Vulcans I see
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bf3665 No.26201
>>26133
>even though this is before first contact with them
Pretty sure TNG established that they were known pirates long before their official first contact with the federation.
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cdf816 No.26202
>>26201
>Pretty sure TNG established that they were known pirates long before their official first contact with the federation.
That's not how I remember it, it seemed to me from TNG that the Alliance was relatively unknown by the Federation, and was only encountered thanks to both of them expanding borders. The Feds weren't even sure what the Ferengi looked like until the official contact in 'The Last Outpost.'
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ae735c No.26204
>>26201
I'm sure Romulan information is highly accurate, too bad all anyone outside of a interrogation chamber will ever hear is lies.
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ae735c No.26217
>Andorians come to help
>everyone is instantly suspicious of them
>muh expanse is harsh making us harsh too
good god when will the bullshit stop
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bf3665 No.26218
>>26202
I think that was meant to be the first time they actually had any prolonged encounter, but at the very least there was also the incident with the Stargazer where Picard took out one of their ships, so I think it's not unreasonable for them to have had further small scale run-ins.
>>26204
Too bad you'll never see the inside of my interrogation chamber, I'm sure you'd say some very interesting things after a while.
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ae735c No.26219
>>26218
it's be like a sleep over I'm sure I'll have you over you'll have me over ever so much fun
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f5684c No.26228
>>26217
Season 4, Episode 3… or ep 4 if you want to skip over the episode about the pstd season 3 gave Archer go right to the show slowly getting better
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9d9c22 No.26229
>>26228
I'm on ep 12 now actually and Jeffrey Combs does indeed make this shit vastly better just because it's Jeffrey Combs, however having to accept that they've given up on the essence of star trek isn't sitting well.
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9d9c22 No.26231
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this is pretty fucking tops though
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9d9c22 No.26233
the adventures of fat captain Riker when?
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e14b5a No.26236
>>26233
Would you watch a series featuring Riker as a Doctor Who like character who explores time and space on the holodeck?
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0c3dc1 No.26239
>>26236
Nah, but I'd watch a show about him and his clone having crazy adventures post-DS9.
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80e248 No.26244
>>26236
no but I'd enjoy a game where you pick your alien race and pick which enterprise to board destroy
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d9033c No.26253
Only season 4 grew on me, the rest is boring. Xindi story was a snoozefest for me. I remember the Borg episode and the Terra Nova one positively. I think they just couldn't come up with good story lines. Even VOY has better concepts for episodes, like Counterpoint, One, Origin, etc.
ENT just didn't have enough alien discoveries, I remember I got intrigued when they met the automated repair station but there is not enough of that shit. I felt like it was starting out as mankind's first exploration of felt galaxy and we always ended up with some stupid malfunction or ambassador of the week.
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80e248 No.26254
>>26253
did you also like how the bird xindi skulls were clearly cow skulls
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7e718a No.26257
>>26071
Like most of Star Trek, its not good but, its not bad.
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87d57b No.26299
IMO the main reason it gets so much hate is that it's different in its tone than about everything else. Other series have (to larger degree) the arrogant attitude of
>we in the federation are the smartest, most moral and perfect … if only our enemies didn't have superior technology everything would be as it should
ENT is still positively optimistic, but in a "it's a harsh and dangerous place and we're inadequate and weak, but we'll still go and if we conduct ourself properly, maybe the circumstances will conspire towards a positive outcome" kind of way. A bit like SG. And the point goes for Vulkans too. In ENT they're realistically flawed, TNG explored those flaws by pushing them onto Romulans instead.
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80e248 No.26300
>>26299
they're not realistic within that universe, since not only does practically every single head liner Vulcan emote but also display shit logic.
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9a5221 No.26303
>>26300
They were still better than telepathic mary sue space elves who are technically the only species shown to quantifiably have souls and who somehow get to be pure pacifists in a setting where every other planet in the galaxy will get dragged into full scale wars at least once every twenty years. And honestly, no Vulcan alive has strong enough control of logic to deal with Archer without at least a little passive aggressiveness slipping out.
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87d57b No.26304
>>26300
Suppressing emotion isn't their nature, it's their culture and at that point in time Surak's "bible" had been lost for millennia, while during TNG it was already well known, so it makes sense that they'd mastered suppressing their emotions better by then. It's just that you're autisticaly clinging the your presuppositions despite the fact that there are no hard facts supporting them.
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80e248 No.26315
>>26303
>>26304
the thing is, the issue is less they're emotional but more so that they're humans with X feature tier like I want alien emotions here not shit I can relate to, that's the point of aliens in the first place.
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1798a3 No.26316
>>26315
>Ferengi - capitalism
>Klingons - clan warfare and honour culture
>Romulans - fascism
>The Orion Syndicate - mafia/drug cartel style goverment
>Cardassians - Nazism
>"I want alien emotions here not shit I can relate to, that's the point of aliens in the first place"
However botched some of the analogies may be, the original intent is clear. Vulkans are a bit different since constitution of society doesn't follow as straight forwardly as with the others (maybe except the Ferengi, who are just terribly thought out). ENT explores exactly that in S4 and does it pretty well IMO.
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80e248 No.26333
>>26316
the fact that you can simplify an entire existence is also part of the problem here, if you were to look at how humans are today there's no simple way to sum them up as a whole you have to look at each part of humanity and then try.
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35fcd0 No.26336
>>26316
The Vulcans are pretty clearly intended to be post-WW2 Japanese. Stoic allies with odd customs and a reputation for logic and intelligence, and a violent past that they've tried to put behind them.
Roddenberry, weirdly enough for a WW2 veteran, quite liked the Japanese and their customs. (His wedding ceremony to Majel Barrett didn't exactly involve a tux and white dress.) Maybe it's because he never actually saw combat and spent his WW2 career entirely within the US.
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bf3b07 No.26337
>>26336
>Roddenberry was a weeb
Things are starting to fall into place.
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336dbc No.26338
>>26337
>people actually dislike this goofy fucking fight
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cdf816 No.26343
>>26338
It has its own goofy charm to it, I'm not trying to dispute that. I'm just using it as an example to highlight Roddenberry's status as a weeb.
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ccf3e0 No.26347
>>26337
THE ULTIMATE EVOLUTION OF THE MARTIAL ARTS
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60a885 No.26348
>>26092
Getting worked up over Riker larping as Chef is stupid. We never see his face, Chef could be anyone. The whole holodeck simulation isn't canon because how can the computer make that shit up anyway? Riker is not Chef, why do people say this? He was playing as Chef on his ENT larp. T'Pol could be programmed with a nicer bum and Riker would not have known the difference.
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ccf3e0 No.26349
>>26092
The ending was the best thing about Enterprise, because the show sucked and TNG was 1000x better.
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cdf816 No.26351
>>26348
>We never see his face
That's the damn point, part of the appeal of some characters is that they're always mentioned but never seen (and sometimes never heard) onscreen. I'm sure goytropes has an article on the phenomenon.
Also, while it was certainly annoying I don't think anyone claims Riker pretending to be Chef is the worst travesty that the ENT finale completed; there are plenty bigger problems like the retarded plot, the character development from the last season getting a big reset, and Trip's hamfisted death, which was needless and served no purpose besides adding some fake drama to the episode. Riker being Chef is just the irritating little cherry on top.
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238000 No.26355
>>26351
I always thought it was a writers in-joke that the chef was never shown, as a sort of a sarcastic response to the Neelix hate
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238000 No.26356
I am I the only one that hated the fucking utter fan masturbation session that was the Klingon augment virus arc? So much effort for something that could have just as easily been resolved by an studio executive flat out telling whining trek nerds "look, the Klingon simply look and act different from TOS because of advancements in make-up and effect budgets and to make them more distinct from the Romulians. Just use your damn imagination and pretend they always looked like that"
Not to mention the explanation made things even stupider. The TOS Klingons looked and acted like that because were literally part human? That's just fucking lame.
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80e248 No.26359
>>26356
no I really hated how Klingons were handled throughout ENT, honestly they shouldn't have been anywhere near it and the same goes for romulians too, all the aliens we should have seen should have been the ones closet to earth.
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238000 No.26361
>>26359
The Klingons certainly should have been down played after the pilot. I think the rather under used Tellarites and Nausicaan would have been far better choices as the baddies in the later Klingon episodes
But frankly they should have *increased* the presence of the Romulians because of the Vulcan connection. In fact ditching the useless temporal cold war idea in favor of the Romulians conducting a prolonged proxy war against the Vulcans and their allies would have been a far very better meta plot subject for the course of the show. Basically turing the plot of the 4th season arc over the course of two entire seasons.
You could have even kept the Sulibans in mostly the same role, but turned them and the Romulians into a dark reflection of the humans and Vulcans. Where the vulcans held back their technology and tried to be mostly hands off earth's development while also trying to keep earth from overreaching before they were ready, the Romulians flat out uplifted the Sulibans, gave them access to all sorts of technology, even genetic augmentations, then pushed them out into the galaxy as soon as possible to serve as fodder so they romulians wouldn't have to risk their own people. And you could use that to develop Archer's character over the seasons as he comes to realize maybe the vulcans wern't quite the total assholes he thought they were.
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87d57b No.26366
>>26356
STD did exactly this and everyone who doesn't have a shit taste thinks it's stupid. Keeping true to the established canon whilst not being afraid to add their own twists (like the Vulkan plot in S4) is what I liked about ENT. If all you wanted was "TNG but 200 years earlier", just watch TNG.
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35fcd0 No.26374
>>26337
Ayup. No workplace conflicts, no boat-rocking, the boss being 100% right all the time no matter how bonkers their orders, obsessively following rules laid down from on high. Welcome to both Roddenberry scripts and Japanese workplaces.
Oh, and all the moonrunes in the images you posted are references to Urusei Yatsura. Lotsa weebs on the TNG production staff. And that's not even getting into all the Dirty Pair references. There's a reason that they named a high explosive "keiyurium".
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80e248 No.26375
>>26361
I think you've just fixed ENT
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8dbada No.26376
>>26361
>they should have *increased* the presence of the Romulians
The Romulan war was planned for the 5th season.
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d9033c No.26378
>>26376
That would have actually been really cool. However, there was no built-up. The reason the Dominion War worked out so well was because it was creeping up real slow and we already established characters like Dukat who'd play perfectly into that storyline.
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60a885 No.26384
>>26351
Riker as Chef on the holodeck would have worked as a decent enough stand alone episode tbh but not as a series finale.
>>26356
The Romulans should have been more of a chief antagonist in ENT. The Klingons should have been dismissive of humans as "weak and unimportant". The Earth Romulan War was only 9-10 years into humanities deep space exploration.
I want a post Voyager series with Archer as the bad guy since he is supposed to be future guy. Also, if Archer is the bad guy maybe we can get some flashbacks and see the Earth Romulan War on screen for once.
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238000 No.26387
>>26374
>We'll never get a story about section 31 using a pair of female augments, with a hilariously destructive track record, for wetwork ops in situations where they secretly want the entire region obliterated but star fleet would object if Sec31 *openly* ordered such an operation
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238000 No.26388
>>26374
>There's a reason that they named a high explosive "keiyurium".
It's also a major component used in holodeck emitters.
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1c512b No.26459
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8dbada No.26461
>>26378
Yeah, I meant that the 5th season would've started the build-up.
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cb9afb No.26564
Just got done with season 1 + first ep of 2, I'm honestly liking it so far. I'd like to see Picard drop kick some faggot from 800 years away.
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37bc91 No.26573
ENT Vulcans are best Vulcans
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35fcd0 No.26578
>>26573
>ENT Vulcans are best Vulcans
Second best.
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0b8245 No.26639
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ba32b4 No.26640
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35fcd0 No.26649
>>26640
I gotta hand it to Quark, he's got some good taste in ladies.
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0b8245 No.26655
>>26640
Shame they didn't have a child. Greed combined with a complete lack of genuine emotion. Oy Vey.
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5e8fe1 No.26687
>>26655
they probably did, but it wasn't covered on screen
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9c2bb1 No.27645
>>26090
(((Bill Kristol)))
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2f7a59 No.27933
Anyone felt than in ENT most Vulcan females were craving a good dickings?
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03df4d No.27948
>>27933
The implication was always there, and it's an old trope in fantasy that elves or an elvish race compensates their coolish, graceful attitude secretly with a high sex drive .
They sexualised T'Pol too much though. She has no ass and that lube scene from the pilot makes everybody not taking the show seriously.
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289757 No.27951
>>27933
I thought it was spankings?
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4dea10 No.27959
>>27948
>high sex drive
Good trope.
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2a8b12 No.27960
>>27959
Fun fact, those airbags were an evolutionary safety feature due to the hazardous nature of early space travel
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23ea72 No.27963
>>27959
I want an edit of that of someone playing those like bongo drums.
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78ad5a No.28005
>>27959
That's actually a good photoshop, but those are some fake ass bolt-on titties.
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9c65fe No.28012
>>28005
I've seen vids of her without all the make-up and it ain't pretty. I thought she was 50 something, but it turns out she's only 33-35.
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78ad5a No.28021
>>28012
It's not that bad.
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9c65fe No.28031
>>28021
I guess the ones I saw she was in the shower. With her hair slicked back, looks like she's going bald. It's weird seeing so many women with receding hairlines nowadays.
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03df4d No.28033
>>28031
>It's weird seeing so many women with receding hairlines nowadays.
If there is no drug abuse involved, I doubt that the genetic make up of woman has changed THAT MUCH within the last hundred years…
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d1c391 No.28034
>>28033
It's probably just a combination of the garbage most modern processed food is. Even shit that shouldn't need an ingredients list does. I can't buy heavy cream that isn't thickened with something like carageenan or locust bean gum. Shit that comes in a box is even worse. It's filled with all sorts of artificial colors, flavors, preservatives, and soy byproducts. There's also all the pharmaceutical contamination in our drinking water. People give filter man shit, but there really is a lot of garbage allowed to be in our water. That's not even counting fluoride.
So people eat this crap and chub up, so they decode to go on a diet and lose the weight. They cut calories like crazy, and stop getting healthy amounts of protein and vitamins. That makes their body stop wasting protein on things like hair. My mother had weight loss surgery. She lost weight like crazy, but also had her hair thin. When she got down to a healthy weight it eventually came back once things stabilized.
So I don't think it's that surprising once you realize how bad the jew has poisoned us.
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78ad5a No.28072
>>28031
I'm a pretty big fan.
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d128fa No.28073
>>28072
>shaving your pubes, but leaving your chest hair on
Why? That would just look weird as fuck.
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78ad5a No.28074
>>28073
>he shaves all over
you might as well wear a skirt and start sucking cocks
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9c65fe No.28075
>>28072
I am as well, just her solo stuff though. Just saying she looks weird is all.
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fe7bc0 No.28104
>>28074
I don't think anon wants to become Ezri.
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35d272 No.28363
>>28104
Pretty sure Ezri is a buttslut more than a dicksucker.
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a202ff No.28370
>>28363
>Pretty sure Ezri is a buttslut more than a dicksucker.
She does have a tight little tush. And she'd be easy to bend over one's knees for a firm spanking, too.
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ca1cfd No.28409
>>28370
Wasn't it canon she got spanked or am I thinking of another character?
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