/strek/ - Star Trek

SEE GUIZE! IT'S TOTALLY LINKS IN WITH THE ORIGINAL SERIES!

>Klingons start a war with a group they hadn't had contact with for a hundred years out of fear that their base "klingonness" might be corrupted by their ideals.

>Klingons *also* allow a group of degenerate honor-less green skin humans to run a large trading outpost right on the Klingon home world.

Just when I thought the writing couldn't get stupider

>>18500

inb4 Captain Pike is a tranny.

>they let MU-Georgiou go free

This is insane.

>>18512

It would have been a much more interesting ending if the Klingon bitch just casually activated the bomb after Mikey's monologue about blah blah importance of life and federation ideals speech in order to pull a Ozymandias to reunify the empire.

>>18512

Don't forget the part where the feds not only pardoned Michael, but even restored her old rank.

Also this episode is going to be so much funnier after Islamists destroy the Eiffel Tower

>>18514

The writers wouldn't do that because there is one thing stronger than both Humans and Klingons: The Intergalatic Sisterhood.

See women know how to run shit properly. That's why whatever captain cucks Saru out of the chair will be female, or be killed the same episode he is introduced so that Michael can take the lead and get promoted by next season. She will become to Star Trek what Rey is to Star Wars now.

>>18517

Yeah, it was kind of strange and awkward they didn't just promote Saru to full captain. Also I'm actually starting to feel bad for the other bridge crew actors, Uglier Black Girl, Cyber Eye, Frieza, Nameless Black Dude, and Nameless Asian Dude who didn't even get their character's names said during the award scene

>>18520

>Uglier Black Girl

>23rd century

>still buy cheapest plastic hair weave possible

>>18521

maybe the federation banned the sale of human hair so she's stuck with using shitty synthweaves from the replicators

>>18505

>that ugly fucking Opie's brother on TV

gross

is this from Startrek Transmitted Disease? at least its in the Jew Jew Abrams containmentverse

>>18520

I've been thinking about how utterly Michael Burnham ruins what potential this show actually has.

I actually like Saru, and a couple of the lesser characters, but they're given almost no attention, because everything is centered on a lead character with no personality.

Finding out a regular cast member is actually a spy from the mirror universe could have been an interesting twist in any other Star Trek show, but because the focus is on Michael, and how she feels, and how everything effects her, I don't care.

>leaving your containment thread

You faggots should be banned.

>>18533

Maybe if you didn't keep trying to bump it off the board.

>>18533

It's at the bump limit.

>>18526

It isn't though. It looks like JJtrek and it's retarded like JJtrek but it's in the prime universe.

>>18545

Prime universe, JJ-Timeline. Problem solved.

>>18550

In JewJewTrek they made the Constitution roughly the same size as a Galaxy Class.

>>18509

This tbh.

I mean look at the Klingon-Cardassian war: they fight it because they believe they are protecting the alpha quadrant, not because they want to conquer for shits and giggles.

>>18527

Also this. Saru is an interesting character, I can see why they went with the Kelpians as a new race now. He is biologically a fish out of water and he tries to deal with it not through headstrongness like Michael, but through actual research and observation. Basically he is reals>feels.

Also the lack of any interaction between One-eyed ginger girl (who was obviously on Burnham's ship when it got fucked) and Burnham is like they missed out a massive fucking source of conflict.

Also unironically, I kinda like the Chief Engineer.

>>18509

It's inconsistent, but honestly I like the good old jolly space pirate Klingons who like drinking and gambling so much more than the nuKlingons who are basically ISIS. It was good to see some of that.

>>18512

They had to let her go so she hands over the detonator. I'm sure she will return season 3 or whatever, probably as a Romulan general, Tasha Jar style.

>>18514

It would have been better if the Klingon bitch didn't drop out like that, it would have been way more interesting to have her as a constant crew member. Would have been cool, especially since she wouldn't be cucked by the Feds like Worf was. Now, besides Saru, there is not a single alien in the crew, which makes it boring.

>>18515

To imprison her was retarded in the first place, she didn't cause the war. Also, I didn't like that the Federation would have an extensive prison system with labor camp planets in something which is basically and utopian communist society with post-scarcity.

>>18520

Literally everybody I see wants them to be involved or at least get some lines. Maybe they will recognize the feedback.

>>18521

Don't forget that they still play the same mainstream R'n'B and electro shit at parties in the 23rd century.

>>18527

She is good looking but the actress has a very restricted set of emotions. When she's in Vulcanboo mode, she's convincing, but she can't play human emotions. For some reason she did a better job at the Walking Dead.

>>18556

it would have been better if the gay engineer didn't recover 100% but stayed in some weird mutated form. Now what was the point of that? Also, they uninstalled the spore drive which I also don't understand.

>>18559

>it would have been better if the gay engineer didn't recover 100% but stayed in some weird mutated form.

This. It is suggested just before the mirror episode that his personality was radically changing and the shit was affecting him on a mental leve: but nop is not brought up after he sees his dead husband in the network (btw was that him just self-projecting or is it implying the thingy network is actually an afterlife of some kind?). Tbh it is a shame, Gay engineering man was actually like the third best character there.

>>18538

>>18541

>m-muh bump limit

You can still post in it. Dumb cucks.

>>18559

I don't care about the actress. The problem is the character just sucks.

Describe Michael without mentioning appearance, rank, backstory, or any thing she actually does.

Captain Picard for example, is stern, sophisticated, wise, diplomatic.

What is Michael Burnham?

>>18576

And therein lies the problem with SJW writing. Everything is reduced to a checklist of superficial attributes.

>>18573

> Describe Michael without mentioning appearance

Arrogant, hot-headed, emotionally stunted, closed-minded

Or SJW for short.

>>18573

Closed-minded

Unscrupulous

Negligent

Traitor

>>18583

>traitor

>you mean rebel

>like Satan, the original rebel

STD is Satanic.

>>18594

Yeah, but the acronym wouldn't work that way.

>>18618

>polina.webm

So after watching through the tumor that is STD it may as well be called the Michael show. She comes across as a writer self insert and everything has to be about her. She is just so fucking unlikable and boring to watch each time she is on screen it is like watching a wooden plank.

While I did sort of like Saru and Lorca, even the Emperor to an extent they and no other character for that matter got enough screen time to justify giving a rats ass about them. Has to always cut back to Michael-Sue.

Also the plot is a non stop trainwreck, blundering through the Prime Universe and fucking up the Mirror Universe I mean honestly how do you fuck up the MU? with each time you think something interesting may happen it's almost like they ran out of ideas on where to go and immediately drop it.

The whole Fed-Klingon war is a trainwreck and the whole ending of the show is a case of blueballs. It should have ended with the destruction of Earth and/or Qo'nos. Instead we got "lel no, have some gurrl powah to solve everything!" The last episode was like they ran out of money, time and story so they wrapped everything up hastily. To add further insult they threw in the Enterprise as if it was a big deal but the model they showed looks retardedly out of place in their aborted version of Trek, it was just cringeworthy. I mean as season finales go this has to be up there with some of the worst.

Now as I strongly suspected the whole premise of STD was actually an attempt to cover the Four Years War but the studio didn't want to do that cause it would cause a fuckton of backlash over Axanar. For fags unfamiliar with the premise of the Four Years War and Axanar, it was when the Klingons had enough of Federation expansion and decided to kick their shit in also Klingons were having internal troubles relating to their government so no better way to distract from internal problems than a good war. Feds were getting their shit kicked in till they adapted their strategy and actually built ships that could combat the Klingons, not just pure explorers. Klingons were arrogant and assumed easy victory but the Feds were able to produce starships and Commanders that could match them, which in turn made the Klingons actually respect the Federation as a worthy opponent since Klingons love a good fight above all else. While Feds were able to sort of hold the line eventually the real turning point was the Battle of Axanar where Garth of Izar absolutely kicked the Klingon's shit in there is a few theories floating around that the Klingon High Council actually engineered their defeat since keeping the Federation around as an enemy would keep the Klingon Empire from falling apart. Thus you get the whole Cold War thing going on during the TOS with both sides ready and eager for a potential round two. STD shits absolutely all over this.

Now excuse me I have to throw up.

>>18632

I'll admit to being somewhat unfamiliar with the Four Years War, but that sounds too interesting and Trek to be shown on Game of Thrones: STD. I mean, do the Klingons even have double dicks?

But really man, I feel your pain. I can't remember the last time I raged more than when they showed the most nostalgiabait faggotry ending to a show ever made.

>>18640

>do the Klingons even have double dicks?

No. I sort of blanked that scene with how terrible it was.

>>18640

>do the Klingons even have double dicks?

I think it was implied early on STD but it's just ridiculous.

>>18632

>Now as I strongly suspected the whole premise of STD was actually an attempt to cover the Four Years War but the studio didn't want to do that cause it would cause a fuckton of backlash over Axanar.

I agree. It's a shame because we will never see Axanar and the events of that period.

>She comes across as a writer self insert and everything has to be about her.

STD is what could've happened if Roddenberry had carte blanche to make a show about hims Wesley.

The problem is that a show focused on a "perfect" character stops any chance of character developpment for the main protagonist AND the side characters, so the viewer can't feel enough to care about her.

Did the mirror universe people do a seig heil at some point? can we get a "before /pol/-after /pol/" maymay out of that

>>18661

Not exactly a sig heil, but pretty close.

>>18661

a roman salute but with the fist out instead of a flat hand.

Well this whole series was a shitshow like they tried to cram two-three seasons of story into one. Felt like every time they went with an arc they dropped it immediately as it looked like it would go somewhere almost like they ran out of ideas or were too scared to do anything with it.

>>18778

> every time they went with an arc they dropped it immediately as it looked like it would go somewhere

…and then the perfect Michael Burnham wouldn't be the center of the attention anymore.

>>18783

A woman written by a woman to patronize herself.

>>18785

so she's like any woman.

man, remember the era when we allowed white males to write what they wanted, and hired people based on their merit? seems like things were so much better then.

>>18837

That was bad for some reason and enough white males are umami that it isn’t allowed anymore.

>>18841

>Umami

I don't know this meme. Please explain.

>>18611

I am guessing a Binar.

>>18628

The nu-enterprise is big beyond reason.

>>18844

>Umami (/uˈmɑːmi/), or savory taste, is one of the five basic tastes (together with sweetness, sourness, bitterness, and saltiness).[1] It has been described as savory, and characteristic of broths and cooked meats

>>18844

>>18851

He probably means soyboys, because soy sauce contains lots of glutamate and glutamate is pure Umami flavor.

It doesn't really fit though, because soyboys eat soy products, because they think they are healthy. Soy sauce isn't known for being healthy though.

>>18851

I know the definition of umami, you fucking autist. I meant it's use in the context of the quoted post.

>>18854

No, I think that's exactly it. There are other soy products that have umami flavor, such as natto.

>>18848

For you

Though yeah it was made by faggots with no sense of scale

Yes, I meant they are soyboys when I said they were umami.

>>18848

That can be blamed squarely on Abrams. As the annotations in >>18628 first image indicate, the size and spacing of external details on the JJprise indicate that it ought to be about the same size as, or only a bit larger than, the Connie Refit. Whoever drafted the original design pretty clearly intended for it to fit roughly within the established scale of TOS ships.

>>18868

After looking at the novelization of JJTrek it turns out Feds apparently have Quantum Torpedoes.

Star Trek is only successful because of the visual desgin, nothing more. And then it is mostly the TOS uniforms too.

>>18933

You larping as a species of bait incests?

>>18500

Even after being filtered through STD's ass-ugly art direction, the Connie still looks entirely too classy to exist in the same universe at the show's Donut Steel designs.

Why do you faggots insist on calling Constitution Class ships “Connies?”

>>18998

because that's what howard hughes called his constellation aircraft.

>>19030

It would caused even more rage.

what's difference between Humans and Terrans?

>>19172

I kind of agree with Rich about both The Orville and STD having uninteresting leads, but I think Mercer's got a better chance to grow and become his own character compared to Michael.

On the whole 'bringing the Enterprise back at the end of the season' thing, that's why I didn't like the idea of Michael being Spock's adopted sister- because I knew if they were willing to do that, they'd be willing to do stupid twists like that. I don't think they'll bring in Kirk if only because that might be too much even for them, but then again, I could be horribly wrong.

>>19176

>Michael being Spock's adopted sister

Wait seriously? I missed that cause I wasn't paying too much attention to STD's plot. That reads like a Mary-Sue novel there.

>>19176

I agree, Kirk is too big to be on the show. I bet we're going to see Spock on the Discovery. Burnham will ridicule him and he'll bow down and apologize for doing nothing then he'll praise her for being smarter than him (like Saru).

The point of all these shows or movies made these days based on successful franchises is to ridicule and ruin the image of the iconic characters so the new bland one dimensional characters can shine.

>>19179

lol you didn't know? She was raised by Spock's parents. She finished first at the Vulcan academy.

>>19181

So they really did read the following and made a series about it?

http://web.archive.org/web/20100830041159/http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/dark/1000/marysue.htm

>>19182

Yep. She is the only main character, she's written as a perfect strong and smart female character. The rest of the crew wasn't allowed to have character development or even a name (excepted the chief engineer because he's a literal faggot, the doc because he's the engineer's butt buddy, and an autistic obese redhead girl).

Everytime someone criticize her, they end up apologizing and complimenting her. She started the klingon/federation war, went to the Mirror Universe, brought back a MU version of her dead Captain (who is literally worse than Hitler) only to let her free by the end of the season. In the last 10 minutes of the final episode Burnham gets her rank back and her file erased.

>>19171

In the past a goatee

In nu-trek they are sensitive to bright lights like some kinda dark cave elf. Dumb shit, they should just make them the same.

>>19184

>In nu-trek they are sensitive to bright lights

the show's stupid enough without you making shit up to make it sound worse

>>19186

It's true, anon.

>>19186

Err anon he's not making that shit up?

>>19184

he said it was from a battle injury. wasn't it?

I don't watch the show I just watch reviews that spoil shit

>>19198

>he said it was from a battle injury. wasn't it?

It was a lie.

>>18556

>Kelpians

Please tell me that's not what the race is called (never watched this shit)

>>19187

>>19189

No

No, I'm afraid that's not possible

>>19180

I don't know about that, I think it'll be that they begrudgingly work together to save the Enterprise and he'll admit that she's just as smart as everyone says she is. Much as they love shitting on the iconic bits of Trek, I think even they know they'd get death threats if they had Spock suck off Michael so hard.

>>19180

Spock also fits better, since he served under Captain Pike.

>>19214

>>19220

…or they could go the subversive road and use Majel's character instead of Spock.

>>19230

>Number One and Saint Michael Sue teaming up

please no. They're gonna look at that scene of Pike slightly spilling his spaghetti around Number One (you know, "I'm not used to having a woman on the bridge") and turn it into YASSS-tier womyn power.

>>19231

> turn it into YASSS-tier womyn power

They want more strong female characters on the show, Kurtzman admitted it right after the finale in an interview (I can't find the screenshot, sorry). He said that the whole sequence inside an old temple (?) on Qo'noS where there were only the female klingon, Burnham, MU-Georgiou and Tilly was made on purpose, same as the fact that they gave the iPad to the female klingon. Nothing was written in a logical way.

I say "female klingon" because I don't even remember her name

>>19230

That's such a double edged sword. I'd actually be curious to learn more about the rest of Pike's crew, who we just barely got a glimpse of in the pilot, but I don't want this show to be the one to do it.

>>19271

>female empowerment

>end the war by giving some Klangonette an iPad that connects to a fucking bomb under Qo'noS and she can trigger with her fingerprint even though that would also mean she's completely fucked the moment she puts down the iPad since the other Klangons can just kill her and then there won't be any threat from the bomb.

>the crew of the Discovery get medals for doing pretty much nothing and only probably got them so they'd keep quiet about the Federation agreeing to mass genocide.

>Saint Michael Sue gets a medal for "starting" and "ending" a war somehow oh and also let a genocidal madwoman loose in their unverse because she was the mirror version of a chick she used to know.

>Tilly was fat and useless.

VERY #woke, I applaude you (((Kurtzman)))

>>19271

>everyone's a woman, lol

Great job. Do you think you could try to write a good TV show now?

>>19276

Did he and Orci ever write something good?

>>19276

They'll just copy the next Mary-Sue story

Something we were just talking about on halfchan that's related to STD and TOS.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DaystromInstitute/comments/7yn9lt/in_practice_if_not_in_spirit_tos_is_no_longer/

and the archive link

http://archive.is/l7C7l

basically, the question of if TOS has a place in Trek canon anymore, because of the style and plot developments of STD and it's own internal canonical differences (as the OP there puts it, "canon in spirit but not in practice"). And if it is, can it be considered strong canon? I've read some thoughts about this topic before here, but I figured you'd like to see what plebbitors think about it and what you have to add, especially now that we're through season 1 of STD.

>>19282

So they assumed STD overwrites TOS and not the other way around? What complete and utter faggots.

>>19285

weird as it sounds, I'm glad there's cross-posting

yeah, the BUT TOS SO MISOGYNISTIC stuff was embarrassing. You'd think they'd get over it already, but no, someone still has to bring it up like it was a new thing no one has never heard of before.

>>19284

for some of them there, yes, it does seem like it. It's such an odd thing to come up with. I've seen plenty of franchises that reject series that completely fuck with canon, be it the plotlines or asthetics or characters, but for some reason, here they think it's the OG stuff that needs to be overwritten, despite it being the entire core of the franchise.

>>19284

Indeed, but given how STD is getting closer and closer to TOS, it's clear that if the show doesn't get cancelled during the second season then they'll retcon/rewrite TOS into [current year] fanfiction.

>>19282

>halfchan

>reddit

Good God…

>>19183

and when she goes to the mirror universe she's literally told she's even superior to her MU doppelganger. And there's one scene where poor alien chicken man is told Michael ate one of his species and seems horrified before Michael's sue aura kicks back in and he has to compliment her again.

>>19275

>>Tilly was fat and useless.

they couldn't even give us a stoned Tilly/Kung Fu GILF/Orion space whores orgy scene

>>19285

>Muh mini skirts

Is it really so unbelievable that such a thing might come back into fashion a few hundred years from now? We really have no idea what they'll be wearing by then, and it's kind of silly to assume modern ideas about appropriate fashion choices are going to last forever. The goofy hipster hairstyles will probably look just as funny to people 50 years from now as the beehive dos in the original series.

>>19295

She would have ate them.

>>19316

I vaguely recall some star trek themed photo shoot some sitcom cast did where the women where actually bitching that they had to wear tng style jumpsuits instead of the old miniskirts.

Honestly, bitching about the old outfits being sexist seems retarded in a time where women walk around wearing skin tight leggings that show off way more than a miniskirt and dark tights ever would.

>>19316

I mean to say I remember that from an interview with the female cast members I read. I wasn't there myself but, yano… grammar and shit.

anyway, they would probably call that internalized misogyny, because we need to pathologize normal healthy behavior into being some kind of evil mental illness or crime against society.

>>19316

Women were expected to dress conservatively back then. Mini skirts were considered rebellion against the big bad patriarchy that wanted you covered up. The 18 year old blue haired feminist doesn't even understand what it is they think they're rebelling against.

1) Did it end on a cliffhanger

2) How likely is season 2 really

>>19323

1) No everything was resolved in a shitty manner

2) dunno, i is hard to gauge profitability on netflix

>>19324

>netflix

Rumors say that Netflix doesn't want to waste money on the show anymore.

The people who joined CBS Access en masse at launch ended up cancelling their subscriptions during the first half of the season.

>>19323

>>19324

>>19326

I wouldn't rule out Netflix quite yet, even taking into account what a massive dumpster fire STD was financially as well as creatively. Netflix is starving for new content of any sort, so they aren't very picky about the quality of the shit they put on their platform. That's why CY+3 Netflix is clogged with shows about pansexual black women and documentaries about mad scientists pioneering the field of hormone abuse and genital manipulation. Besides, even if Netflix's standards weren't low enough for STD they're probably contractually locked in at the moment.

>>19330

>CY+3 Netflix is clogged with shows about pansexual black women and documentaries about mad scientists pioneering the field of hormone abuse and genital manipulation.

The Sorosflix in my country is filled with feminist documentaries. I only use it to rewatch DS9, TOS and ENT. The other streaming companies offer the same shitty content. Netflix used to be a good alternative to piracy until they complied to the demands of the european channels and added a region lock.

>Netflix is starving for new content of any sort

I hate what they've become. They're no different than a random tv channel now. You have the stand up comedians, the shitty animated shows desperately trying to be "cool" and "hip", the focus-tested original shows, the old late night hosts have their own program too.

>>19337

>netflix just added the godfather here

>"women and children can afford to be careless, men can't afford to be careless"

litrily rape.

>>19330

They could always offer to hire people the other networks wont work with these days. Open the door to the straight white man, and tell him he can write what he actually wants to write, without the checklist of diversity being pinned on his chest. At least a few people would jump at the opportunity, I'm sure.

I went on the internet and I found this:

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Final_Frontier

Is that Lorca?

>>19330

>Netflix is starving for new content of any sort, so they aren't very picky about the quality of the shit they put on their platform

That would certainly explain why they ate up that godawful Reboot, well, reboot.

>>19371

>netflix creates some original shows which are actually good

>netflix gives a few extra seasons of shows people were demanding but had been cancelled

gj netflix, you're saving television

>netflix then cranks out something like 10 shitty ripoff versions of stranger things and anime starring jayden smith

>>19390

<netflix creates some original shows which are actually good

<netflix gives a few extra seasons of shows people were demanding but had been cancelled

What, in your opinion, is worth watching from this group besides House of Cards weird tangents about abortions and literal faggotry notwithstanding? I tried their take on Arrested Development, and the Netflix episodes were just excessive Flanderization with a layer of lefty propaganda on top.

>>19414

Stranger Things is way overhyped, but it is pretty decent for what it is. Haven't seen the second season.

>>19415

It's better than most Normie-TV, like The Office, but that isn't saying much.

>>19425

If you've ever seen an 80's monster movie, it's that. Executed well enough, but not groundbreaking.

>>19449

>house of cards

That show stopped being good after the second season. Season 3 looked like a pure propaganda written by the Obama administration. The Russian President was written as a parody of Poutine, one episode had the real Pussy Riot (that "punk" music group paid by Soros) as guest stars. In the last season they fucked up the republican character just because of the result of the US elections.

This show could've been The West Wing on steroids instead of cocaine :^) but they fucked up once they became successful.

>>19449

You watch a lot of trash and your taste is shit, but I consider posting that image an adequate apology to me for having ever been alive. You're forgiven.

>>19473

>You watch a lot of trash and your taste is shit

>the anon he is referring to binge watched Gotham

His assessment checks out.

>>19415

>for what it is

Introductory science fiction your 6/10 girlfriend can stream on Sunday night when you're tired of fucking her.

>>18521

Jesus Christ I hate looking at her.

>>19449

>people think it's a joke, but there are real and good story possibilities for a white Black Panther

>>27108

>Osiris

>implying Egyptians weren't olive-skinned themselves

posting in this thread since the other STD thread has reached the bump limit

A bunch of new infos/rumors from an insider.

>The original two showrunners who got fired not only because they ran out of money only after 5 episodes into the second season but also because the 5 episodes shot were unwatchable (less than 15% of approval from the test audience)

>Short Treks was filmed during the reshoots of the first 5 episodes

>The 4 Short Treks episodes only exist because CBS ran out of money for STD and hoped to get a ton of money but no other network wanted to buy the rights (not even Sorosflix or the canadian channels)

>the new head of CBS wants to cancel STD

>The Picard spin off currently named Star Trek Destiny is made by Bad Robot

>>27147

>Bad Robot

Are bad at everything.

>>27147

>believing e-celebs

KATHLEEN KENNEDY ALREADY FIRED

>>27147

>STD

>again

>>27150

I thought he was one of the few people who correctly guessed the bitch had probably made herself unfireable

>>27177

That is one of the stupider theories out there. Disney is quite clearly happy with her performance, which is why she got an award and a three year contract. There was no 'mega meeting' about star wars.

>>27187

>disney are /ourguys/, kennedy just outmanuevered them.

>believe e-celebs

>>19277

The only thing I want Kurtzman and Orci to write are resignation letters, followed by suicide notes.

>>19316

>I remember in particular nichelle nichols and the other female cast of that era basically DEMANDING that they make the skirts shorter.

On a related note from another franchise, did you know that Slave Leia's metal bikini was included at the request of Carrie Fisher herself? The original production plan involved a tattered burlap-sack-robe sort of outfit, but Fisher wanted to show off as much skin as she could get away with in a "family" movie and insisted on a skimpier outfit.

>>19456

Stranger Things is mostly ripped off from a 2010 movie (released in some places in 2012) called "Beyond the Black Rainbow", made by the same director as the recent "Mandy". Early 1980's setting, secret remote psychic research facility, creepy paternal doctor obsessed with an imprisoned young girl test subject whose name can be shortened to "El", "El" telekinetically killing people during an escape, a portal to another realm where eldritch horrors manifest, etc etc.

If you're not into slow-paced moody minimalistic horror, it's not for you. But if you're the kind of person who loves a slow-burn creep-out you'd like it. (And the music is FUCKING FANTASTIC.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWF0bBKhe6o

>>27288

>On a related note from another franchise, did you know that Slave Leia's metal bikini was included at the request of Carrie Fisher herself?

…and once Kennedy became the CEO of LucasFilm she banned the Slave Leia merch.

>>27216

I honestly wouldn't mind seeing him show up in a good trek show. It could be used to explain a lot of the weird psychology of Spock's relationship with his father and even just the contradictory nature of his dad's behavior in general.

>>27216

I hope Spock has at least 20 more siblings of every possible race, gender, and sexual orientation, Spock himself being the dumbest and least-accomplished among them

>>27288

Carrie Fisher was so strung out on kike semen and opiates that she later would tell Daisy Ridley, "don't let THEM put you in a metal bikini." She then trashed a dad who thought the costume was inappropriate for little girls saying he was a puritan shithead. Carrie Fisher was a dumb whore who aged into crazy.

>>27306

I thought cocaine was her drug of choice?

>>27317

I think she snorted or injected everything.

>>27340

I don't watch STD, is that mess on her chest supposed to be her skin?

>>27340

What is Klingon for 'squirrel girl'?

>>27379

>he is being the burger

>he shelters his children from certain types of media instead of watching everything in front of them and never making a big deal about it unless they ask, only then quick dispassionate explanation

More infos on the behind the scenes of STD.

>>27548

>STD needed to start earlier in order to try and capture fans but it's not, playing catch up again.

Short Treks won't help them either since each episode seems to be more ignorant of the canon than the entire first season of STD.

Geez, catching up with the rumors and stuff. Makes me appreciate that Seth on Orville runs a tight ship and there have been no signs of negative drama and everything posted to twitter is positive while STD is riddled with strife and people coming and going from productions.

>>27562

>Is it possible these five episodes were halfway decent Trek that got punished for not being 'woke' enough?

That's what I think too. Midnight's Edge said that originally nuPike was written as a christian who prays before making a big decision. It sounds a bit out there but it could've made the character more interesting.

That said, 15% of approval is quite scary because it's not the pilot it's 5 episodes into the second season. I wish someone would leak the original scripts.

>>27552

His cast and crew seem to be quite happy to work on The Orville. You can see in their tweets or videos that they're like a family.

>>27562

>Is it possible these five episodes were halfway decent Trek that got punished for not being 'woke' enough?

I tend to doubt it. It wasn't like they hired conservative writers or anything, they had the same shitty writers as before. If I had to guess the episodes sucked and were woke, so they redid them differently but still woke.

>>27562

If my experience working in market research has taught me anything, it's that companies know their desired demographics and will manipulate the criteria in harvesting correspondence to make sure it reflects how they want.

According to Doomcock, Midnight's Edge has been banned from the official Star Trek Faceberg group.

>>27563

>Is it possible these five episodes were halfway decent Trek that got punished for not being 'woke' enough?

> originally nuPike was written as a christian who prays before making a big decision

It's still STD, and Pike's a white male, so I'd assume that the praying was actually intended to make him seem creepy and dangerous. Which means the episodes were probably panned for being too fucking woke for even a normal audience to swallow rather than the other way around

>>27583

>The only way I could see it happening is with a one item questionnaire after watching - Would you pay for this YES/NO?

You might be right.

Good video on the technical aspects of STD compared to the previous Trek shows.

Holy shit, CBS know that they fucked up. Apparently the remaining 3 Short Trek episodes are worse than the one with Tilly. The CBS board members are thinking about firing Kurtzman. They've ordered to reshoot a bunch of episodes.

>>27609

I guess reshooting the first 5 episodes wasn't enough.

I don't know where they're going to find the budget though lol

>>27608

>Hiring Kurtzman

Why did they do that in the first place? Everything he touches is shit.

>>27619

Nepotism. It is kinda ironic that Paramount fired the only actual Trekkie in Bad Robot for writing too Trekish script for reboot ST3. Roberto Orci was the lesser evil in people involved in JarJar Treks.

>>27621

The Albert Speer of Bad Reboot.

I'm quite interested to know what the story was. I don't suppose anyone has any idea?

>>27608

>STD

>IP crotch rot

Heh.

So I hear the new episode of Short Treks or whatever is out. Did any brave soul here suffer through it and can give us a tl;dr?

>>27608

Doomcock's idea is about the only way to salvage anything from STD and I usually don't like fan service stuff like that.

>>27608

>e-celeb claims rumors

eh.

>>27629

turning it into a holodeck simulation or a Q related mess just validates it. I'd rather the series simply be canceled and memory holed like all the other bad ideas trek has had over the decades

>>27635

Or you could structure it so Picard has to save the Romulus' sun from going supernova and the Kelvin timeline is a vision of a horrible future Q gave him. This nicely wipes out the entire Kelvin timeline. Otherwise people will claim that "Kelvin is still canon".

>>27644

Stoklasa's concept for a Trek spin off isn't all bad.

From what I've heard STO has produced some interesting ideas that could at least be used as an outline for more fleshed out individual episodes and season long plots. I can't say for sure because I avoid MMORPGs.

>>27652

It got stupid at times, especially considering how combat-heavy it is compared to the Trek universe normally (but it's an MMO, so what can you do), but there were some interesting ideas.

>>27653

Is STO more theme park or more like Eve Online?

>>27654

It's not a hyper-autistic finance simulator, so it's not EVE online. The vast amount of single-player content does give it a kind of theme park feel, and you can go back to replay your favorite single-player storylines if you are so inclined. Endgame content isn't bad from what I remember but becomes a grind very quickly.

I made this thread almost 10 months ago.

I am proud it is still here.

>>27658

I think it's more of an issue that it's hard to write a simple low key story in a post TNG world because they have tech that negates almost any sort of traditional story conflict short of the stuff that requires expensive cg space scenes.

>>27665

Hologram workers is a perfect analog for AI.

>>27669

How stupid do they have to be to think people will watch that when they're not watching STD?

>>27671

Can you imagine an entire season of Trek starring an asian woman who speaks engrish?

>>27672

I can, but I wish I couldn't.

>>27669

So Mirror Universe Georgiou introduces some brutal utilitarianism into the Federation that they need to create some off-the-record secret service?

Honestly, it could be much worse. If my premise is true, it actually sounds okay-ish.

>>27672

She speaks with a little bit of an Asian accent, doesn't she?

>>27676

>So Mirror Universe Georgiou introduces some brutal utilitarianism into the Federation that they need to create some off-the-record secret service?

The thing is Section 31 already existed before Mirror Georgiou. Now the writers are planning to put her at the helm of Section 31. It doesn't make any sense to give that power to someone who is "literally evil" and from a parallel universe.

>>27669

>They want a spin-off with Georgiou and the Section 31.

I'm trying and failing to figure out who asked for this. I know the real answer is CBS (and the true hidden answer is money), but I presume the thought had to come about by someone seeing that there was demand from A group of "fans" for this series. Who exactly was this group and is CBS now trying to go the Hollyjew way and cater to an Asian market?

>>27680

The funny thing is I genuinely liked main universe Georgiou and would have been happy seeing more of her in the series. She was some sort of Chinese GILF version of Picard. But mirror universe georgiou was such a shitty paper thin character I can't believe they'd consider trying to build a show or major plot around her.

>>19285

>>19282

GAS

>>27687

#NotMyChancellor

>>27696

>this is actually a huge backtrack on their part. You can tell they walked the entire character design back the minimum of what they would have to change from TMP era klinks.

The hair and the slight redesign happened during the reshoots of the first 5 episodes of the second season. They would've double-down if the second season didn't have a 15% approval among the test audience.

>Midnight's Edge interviews Nicholas Meyer

>>27736

>Holmes cocaine addiction could only be cured by Sigmund Fraud

This isn't a point in his favor.

Do you guys know where I could find the bonus content from the season 1 boxset of STD? I wanted to watch it because I've heard that it's self-congratulatory non stop.

>>27826

torrents

>>27658

I do. The time jump was nice because it pushed the federation more up its own asshole and made the galaxy more interesting.

>>27826

Jewtube. Some of it is on there already.

CBS has ordered an additional episode for the second season.

>>28013

Why wouldn't they say that? Are they hoping to air it and if it does well they won't announce?

>>28013

Maybe this new episode will be written as a series finale. Something like "These are the Voyages", or perhaps they're using this as an opportunity to launch the new Picard spin-off.

Rumors say that they've reshot the entire season but like you said I don't know where they're finding that amount of money to waste on a show watched by less than 1 million.

>>28013

My god, her fucking face. I mean TNG was hammering home the "muh ethics" and all that but STD gives you like rectal penetration about "doing the right thing".

>>28013

It's not dead until I see a body.

>>28014

Perhaps "well this is the season that killed STD, enjoy!" isn't the best buzz.

New trailer.

>>28047

Do you remember when Star Trek had stories that explored different aspects of life through the guise of science fiction? Where one episode you could have a story about two aliens battling for dominance despite their similarities and how the crew, headed by the educated and wordly Captain, would help the two sides come to peace (or at least plant the seed of it even if the conflict wasn't solved just then. And then you could have a fun story about the crew playing a game of baseball that still showed the importance of teamwork and knowing how to lose (and win) gracefully. Followed by an episode where someone's mistake brings along catastrophe, but the intelligence of the crew helps solve it, thus showing us how there isn't nothing you can't solve without a level head and the will to do so. You know, stories that help you get to learn the characters and the world they live in, the cultures and customs, while giving you that sweet taste of interesting sci-fi inventions and innovations in technology. Where you can tackle any social subject available - corruption in politics and the justice system, revolutions under a dictatorship, corporate meddling, censorship - and try to give all sides a platform to try to justify themselves, letting the people come to their own conclusions.

Why does STD want to be DS9: But Only the Scenes Where the Federation and Its Allies Were Fighting the Dominion and Cardassia (aka WTF is Character Development and Looking at Humanities Problems Through Aliens)? I don't give a shit about this unlikeable crew of literal whos and Michael Sue (feat. SPOOOOOOCK) having to save the Galaxy from an Event Horizon wannabe. My only hope is that they're trying to throw a curveball - all of this shit will be resolved in like 3 episodes and then they have actual episodic stuff (not an ideal way of doing things, but whatever). But I know it won't be like this.

Fuck, this trailer made me so mad, not even the first one annoyed me that much.

Also, they absolutely rushed season one. Klingon war, spore drive, mirror universe, etc. all done in fast-forward. You never feel like anything connects with one another. It's a mix of all kinds of tropes. That's bad storytelling.

My only hope is that for god's sake stick to one issue (these "century ship" villians) and develop it carefully and don't mix in 3-4 other references and clashes because they want to overload it because they want more viewers so badly.

>>28049

All homosexuals are shills for this garbage. Until we bring back sodomy laws you'll have this hardened core of corporate marxist defenders.

>>28049

> I see people in the comments section say that "old Trek" was boring

The worst part is that those same faggots will go on to rabidly claim how much they love Star Trek and accuse you of gatekeeping when you point out "Well then, maybe the franchise isn't for you"

>>28051

>Fukuyama

>Japanese racially

>Protestant

>Raised in America

>Thinks he is an American

This is the delusion of our current world and why identity politics will lead to ethnic cleansing in America as long as the opinions of racially confused people are spouted as fact. Fukuyama needs to go back.

>>28049

>>28054

How can you get mad at STD fans, I'm pretty sure we outnumber them. "We" being the posters on this board.

>>28059

Like I said in my post, I don't know how many of them are really sincere about liking STD.

> I'm pretty sure we outnumber them

Maybe but they're all in the comments section of the major websites and Trek fansites. I don't know if you can still look at the comments under that trailer (I can't, CBS blocked it in my country) but most of them were in favor of STD and shitting on the past.

If you look at Trekmovie (I used to like that place) it's impossible to leave a negative opinion on STD without getting submerged by insults (sexist, mysoginist, racist, Alt-right) or "go watch the Orville and stop bothering us". Even the people who work on that blog never criticize STD, they never talk about the behind the scenes.

>>28063

This. Whatever the changes they make in the second season we can't just pretend that the first season never happened.

The only way to make it better is to cancel the show and have the producers say that it's not part of the canon.

>>28064

The good thing about star trek is there is a long history of retcons so any canon can be undone easily.

>>28065

Yeah but usually it's easy to retcon some minor thing but here it's the entire show.

>>28066

Whole episodes (like Spock's brain or Sub Rosa) are ignored

>>28066

>>28067

This is a prequel guys

If Spock's black sister Michael never came up before I don't see why she'd ever need to again. And the Klingons, jfc.

>>28069

Exactly. You can't ignore a spin off, especially when it's a prequel and taking place between 2 shows (ENT and TOS).

For some reason on STD the Klingons are as ugly as the Remans, Starfleet uses holograms, starships bridges have windows instead of viewscreens, etc. There's no way to rationalize that compared to the canon.

>>28079

>starships bridges have windows instead of viewscreens

It's the only design retcon / innovation that I actually liked and approved-of with nuTrek. Without the window, there is no reason to have your command and control center be this tiny exposed bubble at the top of the ship. It would otherwise be buried in the hull like a submarine or BSG. With the window, the bridge might have some conceivable purpose for being where it is - perhaps related to orienting the saucer during re-entry with massive system failure or perhaps certain first-contact scenarios and as a symbolic gesture of Starfleet's not-explicitly-military purpose. And if not, it's still a fine visual conceit. The franchise opened with a zoom shot through the skylight so…

>>28047

Why does she look like she is being held at gunpoint from that thumbnail?

I don't know if it's true but I've heard that Number One could be a tranny.

>>28568

Maybe it will be a deep dark blob monster?

>there's a special offer for former members of CBS All Access (I've heard that it's free for a week or some shit like that)

>less than a hundred of people resubscribed

>some of the episodes in the second season ended up costing more than 15 million dollars (that's way too much, usually an episode on tv costs less than 4 million)

>the Picard spin-off is having issues behind the scenes already

>>28659

Now go ahead and tell me that racism and misogyny aren't real… we need this show more than ever!

>>28659

I'll get the popcorn.

>>28669

Another thing that I've heard is that none of the series announced recently have been funded. They're waiting on the reception of the second season of STD.

>>28670

So suicide party?

>>28671

I think we're getting closer to the end of Bad Robot. They have their hands in the CBS stuff too via Kurtzman company "Secret Hideout" created at the same time as Discovery. With the movie cancelled and JJ having issues finding investors, Episode 9 might be their last co-production.

Terrible episode, more mystery box bullshit, long boring "action" scenes, the stranded engineer was horrible. MEN are just tokens in Starfleet now regardless of skin color.

>>18500

Season 2 premiere was a good episode even though Connolly was a stand-in for this board's inhabitants, and despite the cultural enrichment about Africa at the beginning.

>>27382

This. Game of Thrones is probably too edgy, realistically normal parents these days shouldn't herd their children out the door with hands clamped over their ears when they hear "f-bombs" either. Americans fuck everything up with their over-protectiveness, that's what ruined the burger version of the Inbetweeners. While I don't want Trek to become gore/porn it doesn't need to play it that safe. Those uggo alien nips were onscreen for a full 2 seconds.

Why the fuck did those snub ships need such a over complicated anime style launch tube shit instead of just having them lift off from the shuttle bay like a normal craft? I mean it's one thing to say "oh the discovery just happen to be carrying three drop pods for this exact situation", you can kind believe a fed ship would hold all sorts of small utility shuttles for various environments, but why the fuck would they have their own built in special launch bay and tubes that seemingly ran through the entire length of the ship that were never used or mentioned before?!

Also, how could they be so fucking genre deaf that even though you have legions of angry fans bitching about how the show isn't star trek enough, that you send literally the first actual god damn red shirt on a star trek tv series in decades on an away mission and not kill her? Then instead you have a white dude be murdered by the great will of the universe for daring to mansplain to the most holy perfect Saint Mikey-spock about how to do something that she's already of course a master at.

Having Spock be younger than Michael when she was adopted seemed off, like how old is Spock suppose to be there? The timeline for this seems really off if they're going to say Spock was still only in his early 40's during TOS.

I did like Pike though, even I know he totally not doing Pike correctly. And Spunky McGingertits' giant ass was likable as always. The interior design of Discovery has grown on me, though I wish they'd fucking turn the lights up now that Lorca's gone. And as long as they're ripping off Orville I kind of want the Cyber Eye Chick and Other Black Girl to turn into the rule 75 versions of Gorden and LaMarr

>>28703

>Why the fuck did those snub ships need such a over complicated anime style launch tube shit instead of just having them lift off from the shuttle bay like a normal craft?

I don't know. That seems like an unnecessarily complicated way to build a ship, I wondered the same thing,

>random handicapped crew members in the background

I mean all the cybernetic implant people are okay, they're basically just lower tech versions of Geordi, but imagine living in the 24th fucking century and still being stuck in a wheelchair. And it's not even a cool professor X hover chair either. I hope the thing at least has a replicator on the front of it so he can replicate a fucking wheel chair ramp when necessary.

>>27382

>oh, you puritan americans

Will you faggots just fuck off with this? I can say the Holocaust didn't happen. Can you?

THIS IS THE POWER OF MATH PEOPLE

>>28709

>random handicapped crew members in the background

They care more about brownie points than writing a good science fiction show.

>>28717

To be fair it was always kind of assumed the turbo lift system must be some crazy ass shit in order to move all over a ship and do that as quickly as shown in the various shows, which is why most trek wisely chosed to not even try to explain how they work or ever show more than a small section of shaft.

>>28719

Yeah, the STD people tend to overthink the tech that was established in other shows, stuff that most trekkies would say "it just works" because it was never important in the first place. It's like when they explained how the Klingorcs body modification surgery works, in the end it raised more questions.

>>28717

>I really don't like the character assassination of Spock.

How bad is it?

>REMEMBER SPOCK

>boring action scenes

>not one, but two YASS QWEEN SLAYY moments

>Tilly still being a fat spergy shit

it makes me wonder how Dwight Schultz managed to make an autistic sperg like Barclay work, but STD just makes their version of him go around yelling "DUDE THIS IS THE POWER OF MATH".

>people still pretending Tilly would make a good captain

>REMEMBER SPOCK???

>"Not every cage is a prison" it would've been less cringy if they immediately had a pop-up that explained the reference

>Spock is sad :((

>and more shit I already forgot

The funniest part of the entire episode was tiny Spock slamming the door on Michael Sue's face.

>>28724

I don't think that was Spock, it was probably the Klingon dude, Ash or whatever (I've already forgotten his name).

>Thank god they can't touch Kirk.

How confident are you of that? Because I'm not.

>>28727

>it was probably the Klingon dude

Both nuSpock and Klingorc guy have a beard but I think you're right.

>How confident are you of that?

They wouldn't dare fuck with the Shat.

>>28728

>They wouldn't dare fuck with the Shat.

I kinda would love them to try to have a Kirk on just to see Shatner make snide remarks about it on Twitter.

>>28729

They're gonna have Michael be the inspiration for Kirk becoming a Captain. You heard it here first.

>>28730

>They're gonna have Michael be the inspiration for Kirk becoming a Captain

This sounds right.

Spock looks like even an bigger bitch since he is only a Lt. What is Kirk at this time, an Ensign?

>>28731

Memory Alpha says he should be at least a Lieutenant already at this point.

>2255

>Ensign James T. Kirk is promoted to lieutenant. (TOS: "The Corbomite Maneuver")

The STD episode took place in 2257.

>>28724

I think the jury's still out on Pike, I mean I kinda like his "Okay you're all fucking nerds and beneath me but sod it you're nice so I won't be a dick" routine, but they managed to fuck-up Lorca despite him being a great character so eh.

Btw who do they have playing Spock, has that leaked? I hate to say it but the bloke from the NuTrek films did an alright job…

>>28734

>bloke

I bet you voted to remain.

>>28734

>Lorca despite him being a great character

>great character

The show is worse than shit, anon. You sound like some fan or something.

>>28736

He was great character because he was a ruthless asshole who somehow made it far enough to become a star fleet captain and initially wasn't just there to be some one off bad guy who only existed to make another character look morally superior. Then they flushed that down the toilet by making him be from the universe where everyone is a ruthless asshole and presented a woman who genocided billions and eats sentient creatures as being a morally superior character to him.

>>28744

That all sounds retarded anon. Why did you watch that garbage?

>>28734

>I hate to say it but the bloke from the NuTrek films did an alright job…

No he did't. Zack always seemed like an angry asshole waiting to snap at people. Nimoy was chill, informed, and insightful.

It looks like STD is taking the nu-Trek course as well, kid Spock is depicted as some sort of bitter brat instead of the good boy he surely was.

>>28717

Unlike Geordi he went for the VISOR 2.0 version that comes with auto-Rogaine dispenser.

>>28079

So long as they don't touch the holograms or have forcefields behind them I will accept it.

>>28747

I always liked the little detail of Geordi's visor giving him headaches off-and-on through his life (I think "Cause and Effect" introduced the idea). It made all this fantastic tech seem less like "miraculous awesome future utopia" stuff, and more "we're doing a little better, but we're still sorting shit out, we're not perfect".

Funny how so many things about TNG got much better when Roddenberry stopped being involved.

>>28768

>Funny how so many things about TNG got much better when Roddenberry stopped being involved

Because Roddenberry envisioned a future where humanity had become so advanced and perfect that they effectively stopped being human, which is boring and cringy as fuck.

The best example of why Roddenberry having too much say over star trek is the story about how he was extremely unhappy about the episode "Family" (the episode where Picard heads to back to earth while recovering from being de-borg-ified). His reason? He hated the interaction between Picard and his brother. In his ideal vision of the future, the federation's advanced social engineering had eliminated such basic human feelings as sibling rivalry and animosity. And when you actually stop and think about that, how much of the human condition that would have to be stamped out of existence to do such a thing, it's just scary as fuck as a concept. It paints the Federation as being Orwell's Ingsoc except they ended scarcity by inventing replicators, created world peace by conquering Eastasia and Eurasia, and so thoroughly crushed the human spirit and restrained free thought that the Ministry of Love and tight control over civil liberties is no longer necessary, and the end result is a dystopian earth that technically looks like a wonderous utopia at a casual glance.

>>28777

>humanity had become so advanced and perfect that they effectively stopped being human, which is boring and cringy as fuck.

Trek writers were aware of this though, that's why the Q were created in TNG (you can can easily see the result of limitless knowledge and power) and why DS9 took the direction it did after Gene was no longer able to touch it.

>>28714

BAZUNGA

>>28778

Wait, wasn't Roddenberry the one who came up with Q in the first place?

>>28812

>Wait, wasn't Roddenberry the one who came up with Q in the first place?

Yup. >>28778 has no blessed clue what he's talking about. Roddenberry came up with the Q as a way to shoehorn "humans are sooooo special compared to icky aliens that even gods are fascinated by humans" idiocy into scripts.

Roddenberry's true skill was in being a fantastic executive producer. He had a singular ability to gather talented writers, directors, producers, and other creative people to work on his show. But any time that he exercised creative input, things got bad. Witness TOS episodes he wrote like The Omega Glory, or the way he lorded over the early-TNG writing room via his lawyer Leonard Maizlish.

Why do they always have Sarek on board? Shouldn't he do vulcan stuff? That scene where he said to Burnham that he learned empathy from her, that makes no sense, Vulcans have emotions but they've learn to control them.

>>28811

>Am I the only one who is a little disappointed that a bridge crew officer (even a second stringer) dies and doesn't even get a "im sad" moment from pike (let alone a funeral or at least hte mention of a funeral)

The white male dared mansplain to Burnham. He got what he deserved.

Jokes aside, I also found that sequence disturbing, once again the show pretends to be a drama/character driven but the writers ignore the basic human emotions and interactions.

Also it's funny how Burnham didn't break her back with the thrusters when she landed on the asteroid.

>>28815

>Also it's funny how Burnham didn't break her back with the thrusters when she landed on the asteroid.

Well they did have her say. that she can stay awake during 10g's like 900 times longer than any human on earth has ever managed so apparently she's just that inhumanly strong.

Honestly, at this point the only way you could maybe redeem this character is to pull a Bashir and reveal Sarek had Mikey augmented as a child in order to help her keep up with the Vulcan kids and just plain not fucking die from spending too much time out in the vulcan sun. giving the character a in-universe reason why she's not only seemingly superhuman at everything but also an arrogant autistic cunt.

>>27109

Actually, there's more of an argument for them having reddish skin.

>>28824

>Vulcan sun

Niggers don't sunburn anon. She can handle the heat.

The latest episode setup is actually fairly common Trek fare: a distress signal leads the crew to a previously unknown colony of pre-warp humans who arrived on their imperiled planet via mysterious circumstances. Except in this case, it's STD, so everything is fucked six ways from Sunday. The colony was apparently uprooted whole cloth by the "red angel" during WW3 who then, presumably, sent the Discovery to the colony 200 years later in order to save it from a radioactive disaster?

The colony has its own religion that worships the angel for saving their ancestors from the horrors of war, but it's a bastardized amalgam of all major Earth religions because that's obviously how it would work out. And the colonists all seems seem kind of blase about the fact that jamming all the major religions together to worship a cosmic entity is dumb, but they do it anyway? The show is fucking stupid. Here's some highlights:

-Michael Burnham is an expert on all major Earth religions because of course she is. Also Shakespeare.

-Later in the episode Burnham casually dismisses the colonist's religion as false, which it is, but someone as woke as Michael Fucking Burnham should know that people can believe whatever they want and she needs to check her goddamn privilege.

-The spore drive is back and still as stupid as fucking ever.

-One of the nameless bridge drones gets to go on the away mission because she was raised by Luddites and is therefore more knowledgeable about the pre-warp civilization the planet. This manifests by her ability to open a barrel bolt latch. Also, Luddites make great starship officers, apparently.

-Ginger Tits extracts some dark matter from her pet asteroid and gets blasted into a fucking wall by an energy discharge. That was great.

-She also now has a guardian ghost angel thing in the form of an equally autistic and insufferable bitch named May who calls her "Stilly."

-The ship does a donut maneuver in space and FUCK the rest of this.

>>28834

>Also, Luddites make great starship officers, apparently.

Between her and "My people were still living in fucking mudhuts" Saru, I kind of have to wonder why even have a prime directive at all since according to STD you can uplift someone from a pre-iron age society into being a qualified star fleet science officer in less than a decade.

Was that Amanda in the preview for the next episode? The show really loves dragging up both her and Sarek for no reason at all. Also

>Jim, did I ever tell you about that time I was in a psychiatric ward?

I really don't want the show to make Spock such a special snowflake, which I'm sort of fearing will happen ever since they talked about how he's had visions of the red peakons long before Starfleet became aware of them.

I fucking hate Tilly so much. She is so fucking insufferable and I don't understand why Kurtzman thought the show needed such an obnoxious comic relief character. There's also no way in hell I believe her to ever make a good captain. I'd be embarrassed to serve on the same ship as her. And that pajeet ghost gave Michael's actress a run for her money as the worst actor on the show.

There's was that scene at the end there, with Pike talking to the black scientist guy that was alright actually. It probably helped that Michael wasn't there to ruin the scene. I do wonder how he's going to explain to the people there how he suddenly managed to get the electricity working without the religious lady thinking it was the work of their Red Angels, but whatever.

Also, is it just me or could Pike have just thrown away the phaser instead of jumping on it? The plast wasn't going to be that big considering it didn't just blow a hole right through him. Seemed kinda stupid to do so.

Random other stuff

>the editing was really weird at parts, especially in that scene where the religious lady was explaining their origins

>the text Pike read in the church seemed to imply the religion was more extreme and opressive, but they never really showed that in action. Black scientist man was grumpy, sure, but nothing that implied they were going to burn him at the stake for not wanting to let go of their past

>the redheaded helmsman woman, Froggo, could've had a moment where she showed off her flying skills, but it was weirdly cut short by Kevin Spacey's buttbuddy going "oh, we'll just jump to the right location". She still did that fucking donut move, sure, but it wasn't particularly impressive

>Michael going full "UMMM I AM A WOMAN OF SCIENCE, YOUR RELIGION WRONG AND DUMB" was hilarious in the wrong way. Kurtzman probably thoight this would make her seem #woke instead of making it seem like she knows nothing about the core values of the Federation

>>28850

>I really don't want the show to make Spock such a special snowflake

They're turning him into an incel.

>Michael going full "UMMM I AM A WOMAN OF SCIENCE, YOUR RELIGION WRONG AND DUMB" was hilarious in the wrong way

There's a scene where Pike suggests that maybe there are alien races out there who are superior to them and that people might see them as gods and it felt like if Burnham wanted to adjust her fedora and shame him for having that idea.

>>28844

Why should the Prime Directive even apply to any group of humans by the 2250s?

Fucking stupid interpretation of that rule.

>>28850

>And that pajeet ghost gave Michael's actress a run for her money as the worst actor on the show.

Yeah it was awful, I looked away every time she spoke, you could grab anyone off the street and they could read lines better than that. It's almost like that's exactly what they did.

>Musk Junior High School

I wonder if Elon watches this show..

>>28849

> Starfleet have condemned them to remain as cattle forever.

The priest/chieftain dude was probably selectively removing anyone that was a big brain or a troublemaker. Even though they were related, he'd probably still toss Saru into the meat grinder eventually if Saru didn't get with the program.

>>28857

It's funny how much he has fallen in reputation. Did STD curse him?

>>28744

I'm kind of fascinated by Lorca because of what his character tells you about the writers. We're supposed to view him as this great villain, and yet he never really comes across as that bad of a guy. His only real crimes were concealing his identity, and taking the war effort seriously. He was simply a man from a warrior culture, who behaved as such. If they'd kept him around the show might actually have an interesting layer, but we can't have that. Something something Donald Trump. Throw him into a sun. Yay, love trumps hate.

With more talented writers, the relationship between an idealistic youngster, and a no nonsense military man could actually form a solid premise for a Star Trek show. Actually seeing these two characters grow and change over several seasons could have been something. But, well, here we are.

>>28897

>I'm kind of fascinated by Lorca because of what his character tells you about the writers.

I agree. After the Groundhog Day episode it became quite clear that the writers and the showrunners weren't fans of the character

>We're supposed to view him as this great villain

I think the writers saw him as a "piece of shit who deserves to die in a brutal manner" more than a great villain like Dukat or Sheev for example.

I'd like to know what they had in mind originally (before Fuller got fired) because if I remember correctly there was no Mirror Universe story planned.

>>28897

This is why the sudden transformation of him into a villain was so utterly unbelievable. He literally didn't violate a single moral or ethical code as a captain, he didn't show any unnecessary cruelty or bloodlust - and the "lesser evil person", the one who is supposed to win and come back later, empress Georgiou, was shown to be literally worse than Hitler (exterminating a planet) and eating another sentiment species. Why in hell's name are we supposed to assume that Lorca was somehow worse?

As for the last episode, it wasn't one of its worst. But the story was already a dead horse, with TNG, VOY and ENT already having episodes like that, and as expected, it was somehow worse. I didn't find it interesting, there was no real conflict or big ethical dilemma played out. A Picard would have had a great monolog in response to some antagonist on the planet when they end up in some sort of witch trial, but there is no time for that for STD, everything needs to rushed, muh grimdark setting muh shaky cam. Tiresome and not fitting for Star Trek. I expected better from Frakes who should know how to direct a Trek episode.

However, the trailer for the next episode doesn't actually look that bad. But I know I'm just gonna be disappointed again. Does anybody else think that mysterious alien lady could be a Cardassian? The way they redesigned the Klangs this could be what they do the Cardies .

>>28903

Mirror universe story ruined it for me completely. They should have learned from the lesson of DS9: Mirror universe is so comically hyperbolic, it works as a gimmick episode like in TOS and ENT but don't try to have a sincere story revolve around it. It was completely unnecessary as well. I wouldn't have mind a creepy parallel universe, especially after the gloomy visions Stammets had which left the viewer with the feeling that at some point the jump is gonna go wrong, but to copy paste the TOS mirror universe 1:1 was just lame. I mean, they were free to be creative here and all they could conjure up was this.

>>28909

>they were free to be creative here and all they could conjure up was this.

That's the thing, these people aren't creative. They have no culture other than "pop culture". Like a lot of people have said, they could've set the show in a post-VOY era but no, they had to make it a prequel set 10 years before TOS so they could play with the nostalgia (member the Enteprise? member Sarek? member Spock? etc.) and deconstruct/destroy everything Trek stands for from the root.

>>28879

Twitter cursed him.

When has frequent Twitter use ever improved your reputation? If you have any wealth or social standing you should just avoid social media like the fucking plague.

I guess we need to make a new thread at some point, I think it's hit bump limit?

>>28907

>Does anybody else think that mysterious alien lady could be a Cardassian?

Which one? I recall a female alien design shown in the preview, but I believe the trailer actually just spoiled that it was Georgiou in disguise, doing her super secret edgy missions for Section 31.

>>28917

Probably. Gotta give Stamets something to do and remind people that hey, we had a gay couple on the show, remember that? They should just completely drop this part of the story. Them casually jumping to the Beta Quadrant was so lame and it kinda makes all the accomplishments of previous Trek look weak as shit.

>oh there was this ship that actually could travel to anywhere in the universe :) we didn't really use it to explore new regions of space and gather info about the new races there, that's not exciting

And they have to come up with a reason why the spore drive will not exist at some point anymore. So what was ever the point? It's such a childish way to make your story "cooler".

>>28907

>Does anybody else think that mysterious alien lady could be a Cardassian?

It's MirrorGeorgiou. In the trailers her face was hidden behind a hologram of another alien species (caitian?).

>>28907

I don't know if they'd redesign an established alien species like that again. They know people hated the Klingon redesign, and despite how poorly they're doing, they do seem to want to win over the Star Trek audience.

Pike: "Was [Mary Sue Burnham] this bossy as a kid?"

Amanda: "On Vulcan we call that persistent, and yes she was. She learned that from me."

WELL FUCKING THANKS AMANDA, YOU SOUR HUMAN CUNT.

>creepy CGI klingorc baby

>ridiculous slow motion fighting sequence between the klingorcs

>electric guitar starts playing

W-what the hell?!

>>28897

Ideally, the best way to handle 'Lorca as a villian' would have been to take him more and more into a Colonel Kurtz direction where he actually starts trying to prolong the war because he realizes his current value to star fleet is entirely based on being a good fighter and without that he loses all his power and goes back to being an embarrassment in danger of losing his command. This would explain him wanting Mikey on board, because he assumes she's also into killing klingons and disobeying starfleet. With Mikey's arc eventually ending with her having to stage another mutiny only this time to stop the war by preventing Lorca from doing a "undiscovered country" to sabotage a peace talk.

>>28981

Between this pajeet parasite, the Klingon re-redesign that is somehow even less appealing than the bald orcs of season one, the Section 31 non-drama, and the absolute nuclear carpet bombing of both Spock and Amanda Grayson's characters, this easily outstrips "Threshold" as the worst piece of Star Trek content ever produced.

>>28984

> less appealing than the bald orcs

I don't know how they've manage to make the Klingon thot even uglier.

Also why couldn't they have just recorded the the Klingon dude threatening to kill the baby? I mean, that sort of tactic has got to get you put on some sort of empire wide "Kill this Honorless Pig Dog on Sight" list.

I mean granted that would have been a far more interesting resolution, he walks into the chamber boasting about how he's running this place now and every other Klingon there casually takes out a disruptor and shoots him because they just saw what he did.

Can we have a new thread for the second season?

>>28981

>"Tilly, the Captain is white, that's not right"

>S31 has badges

stop

>Ash casually knows about them

STD, please. I get that some people would know about them, but why Ash of all people?

>pajeet was a spore parasite

ok, whatever, but that scene where Stamets extracted her from Tilly looked like a bad parody of Ghostbusters. I think I laughed at that. Also, let's hope this is the last time we see her "actress".

Very little Pike this time around. He doesn't make the show better, mind you, but he's the most tolerable part of the show.