/strek/ - Star Trek

>>28812

>Wait, wasn't Roddenberry the one who came up with Q in the first place?

Yup. >>28778 has no blessed clue what he's talking about. Roddenberry came up with the Q as a way to shoehorn "humans are sooooo special compared to icky aliens that even gods are fascinated by humans" idiocy into scripts.

Roddenberry's true skill was in being a fantastic executive producer. He had a singular ability to gather talented writers, directors, producers, and other creative people to work on his show. But any time that he exercised creative input, things got bad. Witness TOS episodes he wrote like The Omega Glory, or the way he lorded over the early-TNG writing room via his lawyer Leonard Maizlish.

Why do they always have Sarek on board? Shouldn't he do vulcan stuff? That scene where he said to Burnham that he learned empathy from her, that makes no sense, Vulcans have emotions but they've learn to control them.

>>28811

>Am I the only one who is a little disappointed that a bridge crew officer (even a second stringer) dies and doesn't even get a "im sad" moment from pike (let alone a funeral or at least hte mention of a funeral)

The white male dared mansplain to Burnham. He got what he deserved.

Jokes aside, I also found that sequence disturbing, once again the show pretends to be a drama/character driven but the writers ignore the basic human emotions and interactions.

Also it's funny how Burnham didn't break her back with the thrusters when she landed on the asteroid.

>>28815

>Also it's funny how Burnham didn't break her back with the thrusters when she landed on the asteroid.

Well they did have her say. that she can stay awake during 10g's like 900 times longer than any human on earth has ever managed so apparently she's just that inhumanly strong.

Honestly, at this point the only way you could maybe redeem this character is to pull a Bashir and reveal Sarek had Mikey augmented as a child in order to help her keep up with the Vulcan kids and just plain not fucking die from spending too much time out in the vulcan sun. giving the character a in-universe reason why she's not only seemingly superhuman at everything but also an arrogant autistic cunt.

>>27109

Actually, there's more of an argument for them having reddish skin.

>>28824

>Vulcan sun

Niggers don't sunburn anon. She can handle the heat.

The latest episode setup is actually fairly common Trek fare: a distress signal leads the crew to a previously unknown colony of pre-warp humans who arrived on their imperiled planet via mysterious circumstances. Except in this case, it's STD, so everything is fucked six ways from Sunday. The colony was apparently uprooted whole cloth by the "red angel" during WW3 who then, presumably, sent the Discovery to the colony 200 years later in order to save it from a radioactive disaster?

The colony has its own religion that worships the angel for saving their ancestors from the horrors of war, but it's a bastardized amalgam of all major Earth religions because that's obviously how it would work out. And the colonists all seems seem kind of blase about the fact that jamming all the major religions together to worship a cosmic entity is dumb, but they do it anyway? The show is fucking stupid. Here's some highlights:

-Michael Burnham is an expert on all major Earth religions because of course she is. Also Shakespeare.

-Later in the episode Burnham casually dismisses the colonist's religion as false, which it is, but someone as woke as Michael Fucking Burnham should know that people can believe whatever they want and she needs to check her goddamn privilege.

-The spore drive is back and still as stupid as fucking ever.

-One of the nameless bridge drones gets to go on the away mission because she was raised by Luddites and is therefore more knowledgeable about the pre-warp civilization the planet. This manifests by her ability to open a barrel bolt latch. Also, Luddites make great starship officers, apparently.

-Ginger Tits extracts some dark matter from her pet asteroid and gets blasted into a fucking wall by an energy discharge. That was great.

-She also now has a guardian ghost angel thing in the form of an equally autistic and insufferable bitch named May who calls her "Stilly."

-The ship does a donut maneuver in space and FUCK the rest of this.

>>28834

>Also, Luddites make great starship officers, apparently.

Between her and "My people were still living in fucking mudhuts" Saru, I kind of have to wonder why even have a prime directive at all since according to STD you can uplift someone from a pre-iron age society into being a qualified star fleet science officer in less than a decade.

Was that Amanda in the preview for the next episode? The show really loves dragging up both her and Sarek for no reason at all. Also

>Jim, did I ever tell you about that time I was in a psychiatric ward?

I really don't want the show to make Spock such a special snowflake, which I'm sort of fearing will happen ever since they talked about how he's had visions of the red peakons long before Starfleet became aware of them.

I fucking hate Tilly so much. She is so fucking insufferable and I don't understand why Kurtzman thought the show needed such an obnoxious comic relief character. There's also no way in hell I believe her to ever make a good captain. I'd be embarrassed to serve on the same ship as her. And that pajeet ghost gave Michael's actress a run for her money as the worst actor on the show.

There's was that scene at the end there, with Pike talking to the black scientist guy that was alright actually. It probably helped that Michael wasn't there to ruin the scene. I do wonder how he's going to explain to the people there how he suddenly managed to get the electricity working without the religious lady thinking it was the work of their Red Angels, but whatever.

Also, is it just me or could Pike have just thrown away the phaser instead of jumping on it? The plast wasn't going to be that big considering it didn't just blow a hole right through him. Seemed kinda stupid to do so.

Random other stuff

>the editing was really weird at parts, especially in that scene where the religious lady was explaining their origins

>the text Pike read in the church seemed to imply the religion was more extreme and opressive, but they never really showed that in action. Black scientist man was grumpy, sure, but nothing that implied they were going to burn him at the stake for not wanting to let go of their past

>the redheaded helmsman woman, Froggo, could've had a moment where she showed off her flying skills, but it was weirdly cut short by Kevin Spacey's buttbuddy going "oh, we'll just jump to the right location". She still did that fucking donut move, sure, but it wasn't particularly impressive

>Michael going full "UMMM I AM A WOMAN OF SCIENCE, YOUR RELIGION WRONG AND DUMB" was hilarious in the wrong way. Kurtzman probably thoight this would make her seem #woke instead of making it seem like she knows nothing about the core values of the Federation

>>28850

>I really don't want the show to make Spock such a special snowflake

They're turning him into an incel.

>Michael going full "UMMM I AM A WOMAN OF SCIENCE, YOUR RELIGION WRONG AND DUMB" was hilarious in the wrong way

There's a scene where Pike suggests that maybe there are alien races out there who are superior to them and that people might see them as gods and it felt like if Burnham wanted to adjust her fedora and shame him for having that idea.

>>28844

Why should the Prime Directive even apply to any group of humans by the 2250s?

Fucking stupid interpretation of that rule.

>>28850

>And that pajeet ghost gave Michael's actress a run for her money as the worst actor on the show.

Yeah it was awful, I looked away every time she spoke, you could grab anyone off the street and they could read lines better than that. It's almost like that's exactly what they did.

>Musk Junior High School

I wonder if Elon watches this show..

>>28849

> Starfleet have condemned them to remain as cattle forever.

The priest/chieftain dude was probably selectively removing anyone that was a big brain or a troublemaker. Even though they were related, he'd probably still toss Saru into the meat grinder eventually if Saru didn't get with the program.

>>28857

It's funny how much he has fallen in reputation. Did STD curse him?

>>28744

I'm kind of fascinated by Lorca because of what his character tells you about the writers. We're supposed to view him as this great villain, and yet he never really comes across as that bad of a guy. His only real crimes were concealing his identity, and taking the war effort seriously. He was simply a man from a warrior culture, who behaved as such. If they'd kept him around the show might actually have an interesting layer, but we can't have that. Something something Donald Trump. Throw him into a sun. Yay, love trumps hate.

With more talented writers, the relationship between an idealistic youngster, and a no nonsense military man could actually form a solid premise for a Star Trek show. Actually seeing these two characters grow and change over several seasons could have been something. But, well, here we are.

>>28897

>I'm kind of fascinated by Lorca because of what his character tells you about the writers.

I agree. After the Groundhog Day episode it became quite clear that the writers and the showrunners weren't fans of the character

>We're supposed to view him as this great villain

I think the writers saw him as a "piece of shit who deserves to die in a brutal manner" more than a great villain like Dukat or Sheev for example.

I'd like to know what they had in mind originally (before Fuller got fired) because if I remember correctly there was no Mirror Universe story planned.

>>28897

This is why the sudden transformation of him into a villain was so utterly unbelievable. He literally didn't violate a single moral or ethical code as a captain, he didn't show any unnecessary cruelty or bloodlust - and the "lesser evil person", the one who is supposed to win and come back later, empress Georgiou, was shown to be literally worse than Hitler (exterminating a planet) and eating another sentiment species. Why in hell's name are we supposed to assume that Lorca was somehow worse?

As for the last episode, it wasn't one of its worst. But the story was already a dead horse, with TNG, VOY and ENT already having episodes like that, and as expected, it was somehow worse. I didn't find it interesting, there was no real conflict or big ethical dilemma played out. A Picard would have had a great monolog in response to some antagonist on the planet when they end up in some sort of witch trial, but there is no time for that for STD, everything needs to rushed, muh grimdark setting muh shaky cam. Tiresome and not fitting for Star Trek. I expected better from Frakes who should know how to direct a Trek episode.

However, the trailer for the next episode doesn't actually look that bad. But I know I'm just gonna be disappointed again. Does anybody else think that mysterious alien lady could be a Cardassian? The way they redesigned the Klangs this could be what they do the Cardies .

>>28903

Mirror universe story ruined it for me completely. They should have learned from the lesson of DS9: Mirror universe is so comically hyperbolic, it works as a gimmick episode like in TOS and ENT but don't try to have a sincere story revolve around it. It was completely unnecessary as well. I wouldn't have mind a creepy parallel universe, especially after the gloomy visions Stammets had which left the viewer with the feeling that at some point the jump is gonna go wrong, but to copy paste the TOS mirror universe 1:1 was just lame. I mean, they were free to be creative here and all they could conjure up was this.

>>28909

>they were free to be creative here and all they could conjure up was this.

That's the thing, these people aren't creative. They have no culture other than "pop culture". Like a lot of people have said, they could've set the show in a post-VOY era but no, they had to make it a prequel set 10 years before TOS so they could play with the nostalgia (member the Enteprise? member Sarek? member Spock? etc.) and deconstruct/destroy everything Trek stands for from the root.

>>28879

Twitter cursed him.

When has frequent Twitter use ever improved your reputation? If you have any wealth or social standing you should just avoid social media like the fucking plague.

I guess we need to make a new thread at some point, I think it's hit bump limit?

>>28907

>Does anybody else think that mysterious alien lady could be a Cardassian?

Which one? I recall a female alien design shown in the preview, but I believe the trailer actually just spoiled that it was Georgiou in disguise, doing her super secret edgy missions for Section 31.

>>28917

Probably. Gotta give Stamets something to do and remind people that hey, we had a gay couple on the show, remember that? They should just completely drop this part of the story. Them casually jumping to the Beta Quadrant was so lame and it kinda makes all the accomplishments of previous Trek look weak as shit.

>oh there was this ship that actually could travel to anywhere in the universe :) we didn't really use it to explore new regions of space and gather info about the new races there, that's not exciting

And they have to come up with a reason why the spore drive will not exist at some point anymore. So what was ever the point? It's such a childish way to make your story "cooler".

>>28907

>Does anybody else think that mysterious alien lady could be a Cardassian?

It's MirrorGeorgiou. In the trailers her face was hidden behind a hologram of another alien species (caitian?).

>>28907

I don't know if they'd redesign an established alien species like that again. They know people hated the Klingon redesign, and despite how poorly they're doing, they do seem to want to win over the Star Trek audience.

Pike: "Was [Mary Sue Burnham] this bossy as a kid?"

Amanda: "On Vulcan we call that persistent, and yes she was. She learned that from me."

WELL FUCKING THANKS AMANDA, YOU SOUR HUMAN CUNT.

>creepy CGI klingorc baby

>ridiculous slow motion fighting sequence between the klingorcs

>electric guitar starts playing

W-what the hell?!

>>28897

Ideally, the best way to handle 'Lorca as a villian' would have been to take him more and more into a Colonel Kurtz direction where he actually starts trying to prolong the war because he realizes his current value to star fleet is entirely based on being a good fighter and without that he loses all his power and goes back to being an embarrassment in danger of losing his command. This would explain him wanting Mikey on board, because he assumes she's also into killing klingons and disobeying starfleet. With Mikey's arc eventually ending with her having to stage another mutiny only this time to stop the war by preventing Lorca from doing a "undiscovered country" to sabotage a peace talk.

>>28981

Between this pajeet parasite, the Klingon re-redesign that is somehow even less appealing than the bald orcs of season one, the Section 31 non-drama, and the absolute nuclear carpet bombing of both Spock and Amanda Grayson's characters, this easily outstrips "Threshold" as the worst piece of Star Trek content ever produced.

>>28984

> less appealing than the bald orcs

I don't know how they've manage to make the Klingon thot even uglier.

Also why couldn't they have just recorded the the Klingon dude threatening to kill the baby? I mean, that sort of tactic has got to get you put on some sort of empire wide "Kill this Honorless Pig Dog on Sight" list.

I mean granted that would have been a far more interesting resolution, he walks into the chamber boasting about how he's running this place now and every other Klingon there casually takes out a disruptor and shoots him because they just saw what he did.

Can we have a new thread for the second season?

>>28981

>"Tilly, the Captain is white, that's not right"

>S31 has badges

stop

>Ash casually knows about them

STD, please. I get that some people would know about them, but why Ash of all people?

>pajeet was a spore parasite

ok, whatever, but that scene where Stamets extracted her from Tilly looked like a bad parody of Ghostbusters. I think I laughed at that. Also, let's hope this is the last time we see her "actress".

Very little Pike this time around. He doesn't make the show better, mind you, but he's the most tolerable part of the show.

>I heard post-war Klingons were growing their hair again

more like

>the audiences hated the look of the nuKlingons so we were forced to give them their hair back pls watch our show

The Klingon storyline was alright I guess, though the fight scene looked so silly and I still don't get why L'Rell couldn't just ask Ash to prove himself to the Klangons. They always boast about having honour and shit, and TOS and beyond have shown that they're willing to accept non-Klingons if they can prove themselves worthy in their eyes. It seemed like such a non-problem that only exists because STD made the Klingons too fucking edgy.

As >>28984 said, Spock and Amanda's characters are being raped to here and beyond. I can't even imagine how bad it'll be when Spock finally shows up. And the sad thing is, I think the actress playing Amanda is pretty cute (unironically the most attractive woman on the show, which is so sad), but Michael just has a talent of sucking the scene dry of any resemblance of personality or logic.

I see nuNumber One will be showing up next week. Curious to see how she'll be presented.

>>28993

I genuinely expected the curry-parasite to suddenly say that Mikey was supposed to be the captain there.

>>29001

Yeah me too, especially since Burnham was the one who was writing the log for some reason and screwed up the stardate.

Why did the episode start with Fatty stopping during a half-marathon and then sprinting past people who look much fitter than her? All because of Burnham's training?

>>29012

The show is contractually obligated to have at least two scenes of self-congratulatory stronk womynism per episode, regardless of physical or mental plausibility.

The better question is why when Tilly, a commissioned officer in the command training program, starts having an obvious dissociative metal episode on the bridge in the middle of an exercise, everyone including Pike just stands around gawking instead of calling for a goddamn medic?

Because it's Tilly. And they probably already took bets over what kind of autistic sperg out she would have during her first mock command test.

If they wanted to add some real comedy, then right after she leaves they could of had Cyber Bitch Face or The Other Black Click suddenly say, "Okay, who had 'scream at the captain to shut up' in the betting pool?"

Considering all the awkward poorly thought out ways the writing is responding to criticism people had over the 1st season, does it feel like they're shitting on Saru and Tilly's characters this season just because the writers know they were the only two characters people marginally liked last year? I don't know if it's intentional, out of spite because people liked a couple of c grade side characters more than the glorious master-crafted wonder of Michael Burnswhenipee, or Cannibal Granny Space Hitler. Or if just the writers are just that shit, and this is what happens when they try to give any character a larger role.

>>29020

The writers are just that shit. There have been a few attempts this season to course correct and address fan complaints, but every single one of them has come off feeling cack-handed at best, and at worst almost insulting to the fans. In the first episode alone they had Burnham, Stamets, and at least one of the bridge nobodies all swooning about how beautiful and advanced and badass the Enterprise was. Like the fucking show is apologizing for its own existence.

>People don't like how the nuKlingons look or talk

Hey, look at that! All of a sudden they have costume wigs stapled to their shitty prosthetics and they start speaking English for no good reason. Still can't enunciate for shit through all that silicone, though.

>People complained that the bridge crew has no personality or names, even

STD has an actual goddamned roll call to identify all the nameless drones, who go right on being completely inconsequential.

>People complained that the tech level is too advanced for a TOS prequel

Suddenly we're finding ways to back-handedly retcon all the stupid shit, like taking the spore drive offline (which lasts for one whole episode), and having Pike be "old school" and communicating via screens rather than holograms.

>People don't like how dark and serious the show is

They blatantly rip off the Orville with cringeworthy "humor" like the turbolift scene, Tilly going totally over the top with her sperginess, and Pike's atta-boy "Let's have some fun" attitude.

The sad part is I'd be on board for a Pike series with that sort of attitude. Kirk had a certain confident swagger with the way he approached exploration and discovery. If they wanted to build a series around a captain like Pike who is more of a goofy nerd about it, I could totally get behind that. Unfortunately these people fucking suck and would rather shit on the canon to justify their own existence rather than make something new.

>>29021

And as for Georgiou, you can find better acting on Pornhub. Michelle Yeoh is a perfectly serviceable actor, but she can't play a ruthless, psychotic, cannibalistic killer for shit.

Enterprise at least knew if you're going to do a Mirror Universe arc that EVERYONE has to play over the top for it to work and they knew to keep it separate from the main continuity.

On STD now we've got a singular cartoon villain strutting around like Cruella deVille amidst a group of mop-headed autists all standing around being sad about having the best job in the galaxy.

>>28998

>Klingons shave their hair during times of war

Since when? Just say different clans have different styles. That would have done it.

>>29034

>I might have to rewatch the episode but didn't they retcon Burnham's origin story? I thought her parents got killed by the klingorcs when they raided their colony but now it's the Logic extremists™ who did it?

I forgot about that part, but Memory Alpha says the nuKlingons were the ones to kill her parents, while after arriving on Vulcan, the Lawgic extremists were the ones to go full autism over her.

>Shortly after she arrived on Vulcan, Burnham was targeted by Vulcan logic extremists who believed that Humans were a threat to their logical civilization and who launched an attack on the Learning Center. The bombing left Burnham physically dead for three minutes, forcing Sarek to initiate a mind meld with Burnham in order to revive her. As a result of this, a portion of Sarek's katra remained inside her mind, which later allowed him to communicate with her across interstellar distances and the two to share physical sensations such as pain.

You'd think Archer carrying Surak's katra and whatnot would make the extremist parts of Vulcan non-existant, but whatever.

>>29036

>You'd think Archer carrying Surak's katra and whatnot would make the extremist parts of Vulcan non-existant, but whatever.

I think the STD writers completely misinterpreted the Syrrannite story arc. They weren't extremists, they were the scapegoats for the current Vulcans in power who were working with the Romulans.

I bet they didn't watch the episodes and only read the synopsis on Wikipedia and called it "research".

>>29034

>saying that fat people can run faster than a healthy individual.

Honestly I just assumed the parasite was giving her magic mushroom super powers or some shit since it claimed it was helping her and that's how she was able to win the race.

>>18505

I love that guy, he's awesome in every movie.

>>29034

WHAT THE FUCK, Star Trek Discovery has an actual ROBOT commander and they don't even bother investigating this story line???