/strek/ - Star Trek

>>18788

Voyager was actually a great show TNG only improved.

>>cut yourself off almost entirely from all preexisting lore by putting the entire ship 70 years away from the nearest familiar culture at maximum warp

<Borg never existed in any other ST series ever.

I think you are wrong on this one however I admit the other standard races did not normally show up (excluding hologram replicas, the solo Klingon ship and Belana getting turned into a 100% Klingon).

Even despite this you got Tuvok where you can explore standard Vulcan.

You must admit that all series did have its gimmick aliens to explore DS9 explored Ferengi and their culture, TNG the Klingons and their culture.

Voyager explored more the Borg.

Its also incredibly disingenuous considering the fact that Voyager did have 1 prime villain alien for every season and it made perfect sense they where crossing this civilizations territory in the time frame of this season.

>>have to invent entirely new species and civilizations without having the familiar ones to compare them to

Full stop.

You want me to list every alien civilization of the episode in TNG and DS9? Civilizations who only show up for 1 (ONE) episode and are never seen again?

Or do you admit this is something all Trek series did?

Because to conclude otherwise would make you insane or a hypocrite since all trek series did this.

Or are you talking about the characters saying "this is exactly like the Klingons/Vulcan" etc?

To my knowledge they did it form time to time and to the same extent like all trek series.

Where is this Voyager hate coming from?

>>24797

>VOYboys

>>24852

> the discussion looks something insane like VOY sucks because its a Science Fiction show!!!

so, you can't understand a common argument against Voyager so you compare them to a non-sequitur and proceed to argue against the non-sequitur? That kind of strawmanning doesn't seem like it would be good for your mental health.

>>24853

Because this slight exaggeration is only a handful of steps away from actual VOY-haters arguments or reasoning.

>That kind of strawmanning

How about you actually present a real argument why VOY sucks etc?

I'm waiting all I have ever seen and these are real examples(Pink = exaggerated parody; green = real quotes) is shit like

>VOY sucks!

Assertion without explanation

Or the insane >>18788

Like shown in >>24795

the

<Muh Voyager did have "civilization of the episode" episodes

(actual paraphrasing of what pases for VOY-haters dribble)

Is equally valid for all Trek series I even included the most memorable looking ones like Sheliaks in the picture >>24795.

What is the counter response to this:

>>24797

>VOYboys still trying to gaslight

<Stop gaslight me REEEEEE

How far away from the real VOY-haters argument is my parody?

Also I have never seen anyone who was not a insane feminist use the word gaslight.

So can you ever explain yourself and why you hate VOY? And Please something other then things that are in all Trek series.

Like having "civilization of the episode" because this condemns all of Trek equally.

Thank you.

>>24855

Checked on general principle and here's a rare Kate to ease your troubled spirit

>How about you actually present a real argument why VOY sucks etc?

why? If we're being honest, i used to hate it, but to me Voyager officially stopped sucking the night STD premiered. Now it's just "least amongst the Treks", but I dont hate it. It's still Star Trek, even with all its many and consistent flaws

To be honest, you sound as though if you have any autism, you aren't applying it correctly. Why don't you compose for /strek/ an extended treatment for post-Nemesis Starfleet uniforms or muse on why and how the Miranda-class gets by without an obvious main deflector dish and post it in the appropriate thread? Also, you should make sure you're getting-in a good 30-minutes of cardio at least 5-times a week and of course, lifting. Also, you may want to get your bloodwork done and have your hormones and shit checked-out, just to be on the safe side. Moderate your 'screen' exposure and get some goddamn sun. You want to be sure that the meltdown your having isn't avoidable with reasonably swole-centric lifestyle changes.

>>24860

I'm actually curious why people dislike it or did dislike it.

>Now it's just "least amongst the Treks", but I dont hate it

It did have some great stories and great episodes.

>least amongst the Treks

Even less then Enterprise?

>even with all its many and consistent flaws

I like to hear about them, I'm not a blind fanboy I like to know other peoples opinions.

While I watched it I liked it and so did my other friends(we laugh about its idiosyncrasies; think of it like Dr. Who fans talking about stairs and Daleks) I was never aware of the hate for it.

SF Debree looked like a raving lunatic entering at insane tangents over Voyager that simply make no sense while ignoring far more silly and stupid things in Trek or other fiction.

I simply want to know why people dislike it, however all answer are really impossible arguments because they will condemn every other Trek equally.

> Why don't you compose for

<I don't want to give any reasons why I don't like VOY

Sorry I like to see a answer for this because you people keep inserting it into every discussion there is and if questioned why its so bad run like cockroaches from the light.

Here have a short list of civilization of the episode in other trek.

TNG

<Bynars

(gimmicky civilization that is stupid to advance a plot point)

<Shelliacks

(actually look interesting could be explored to be a big antagonist however forgotten forever)

DS9

<Hunters/Tosk

(whatever the living fuck the name of their civilization was or if it even was given) (have a gimmick to advance a plot) (are never seen after this)

<Wadi

(Have a gimmick to create drama) (are never seen after this)

Dosi (red faced merchants who have anger problems ) (could be used to interact with the Ferengi) (are never seen after this episode)

<Skrreeans

(the aliens who did not get translated instantly however the problem solves itself after 10 minutes) (they did no even have a reason to be included and their episode was generally pointless and boring) (the only memorable thing about them is that the actors themselves did have trouble even saying their stupid name and commonalty did say "screens" or "screams" instead)

>Why do they wear the mask?

THE HUNT.

Hunter aliens are the best alien cultural trope.

>>26927

>In VOY 6x15 What was a hirogen doing 30,000 light-years from hirogen space?

The backstory is a little complex, but I think it can best be explained through a super-advanced quantum spacetime travel technology known to Federation scientists as "we already had costumes".

I mean, do we really need to nitpick everything? There's no master plan in the Star Trek universe(s), particularly when it comes to Voyager. There's just a whole lot ad-hoc price-conscious weirdness.

Why was there a gangster planet in TOS? Because Desilu studios had a whole bunch of props and costumes left over from The Untouchables after it was cancelled.

Why did 90% of DS9's off-station adventures take place inside buildings or inside That One Cave Set? Budget.

Why did Voyager reuse Hirogen as villains thirty thousand lightyears away from where they were supposed to be? They already had the costumes sitting on shelves.

Why was the bridge of the Enterprise D huge and mostly empty space with ramps everywhere? Because they were shooting on huge film cameras that needed big dollies.

And the average Star Trek producer didn't even care enough about continuity to have the same people writing and directing both parts of two-parters, let alone throughout and across entire seasons. Don't look for logic in Star Trek. Look for the fun high concept sci-fi episodes and accept them for what they are. Slightly goofy and slightly poignant entertainment.

Leave the unified-universe-obsession stuff to those fucking Star Wars fanboys who get a hard-on for seeing Oombloo L'athgell, Jedi-knight-in-hiding, for two seconds in a background shot in that Han Solo movie which obviously MEANS SOMETHING(tm) in the grand scheme of things. Also, I just made up that character. But you believed it for a second, because that really is the sort of thing those plastic-lightsaber-waving losers cream their Kylo Ren little boy briefs over.

We're trekkies, goddammit. The budget-induced plotholes in our shows are a source of whimsical charm, and we love them despite it. Embrace the lack of logic in the writing room. As a wise man once said, "Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end."

>>26935

>Not to sperg,

The three most self-contradicting words in the english language. But okay, have at it.

>but you do realize fans of that horseshit and fans of Star Wars's ridiculously expansive EU are two mutually exclusive groups right?

Its not about the specific fictional universe, it's about the fanboy mentality in general. Zahnverse, Disneyverse, whatever man. Same shit different day. It's all mass-market entertainment intended to turn a profit for a corporation. Long ago I was really into that fanboy nitpicking stuff. But now I've simply let it go. It's not important. I'm into Trek for the occasional interesting high-concept sci-fi episodes.

>/trek/ and /sw/ may be united in their hatred for JewJew Abrams and the damage he's done to either IP.

Look, I understand that you're doing this amateur-shock-jock blame-the-jews thing for attention and for some sad facsimile of camaraderie on internet forums with other unhappy people. But is that the kind of person you really want to be? You can be better than that.

Everything in life really boils down to a choice of one of two metaphorical uniforms, of upholding a set of ideals that each uniform represents through your words and your actions. Which one of these two uniforms does the best version of yourself wear?

Remember… you can't wear both.

>>26936

>Remember… you can't wear both.

Is that so?

>>26936

>Remember… you can't wear both.

But you can combine them.

>>26936

>You can be better than that.

>be better

wtf is going on with /strek/? this is supposed to be slow season and we've got faggots shitting on bro autismos in one thread, trying to shut down the board, and literal reddit moralfags shilling in this one.

>>26963

Oh, gee, I didn't know that the spirit of Star Trek was actually antisemitism. Maybe I missed that chapter in Gene Roddenberry's biography.

Attention dipshits fond of triple parentheses who claim to be Trek fans: let's play "spot the famous Jewish actors".

Some people's kids…

>>26970

>I didn't know that the spirit of Star Trek was actually antisemitism

Welcome, vigorous defender of God's Chosen People (tm). Here's a tip to someone new to the history Jews in the west: Jews were (and still are) present and involved at every step in anti-semitic movements and are some of the most virulent jew-haters themselves. That's not to say that Trek has been "anti-semitic", because it wasn't, generally. What it does mean is that evidence of Jewish presence shouldn't imply lack of anti-semitism, which you would know if you weren't a naive child on this issue. Jews subvert. They "cleanse" and "judaize" by joining-with and steering any movement that will tolerate their presence, even (and perhaps especially) right-wing movements. Trek is not right-wing, but it is pro-Western, which has been attacked/steered/subverted from the beginning… starting with Nemoy's portrayal of Vulcans as "space jews" where they were not initially conceived that way.

>>26970

>Oh, gee, I didn't know that the spirit of Star Trek was actually antisemitism.

That's because you aren't looking hard enough, lad.

>>26973

So now the question remains: Who are the biggest kikes in trek? Prime candidates include:

>shekel-grubbing Ferengi

>Wrinklenoses and muh 15 million Occuhoax Daily reminder that per capita the Cardie occupation was less deadly than Canadian sniffles

>elitist cabal of literal shapeshifters that infiltrate foreign governments and institutions for their own ends, the justification for which is "oy vey you dumb goyim solids, don't go forgetting the 6 gorillion liters"

>>26977

>Jews

>people

>implying

>>26977

Have you ever actually watched Star Trek? I mean… like given it a good serious bit of consideration besides glancing up from your phone or laptop to catch the meme scenes? Because "being, like, cool to one another, man" probably isn't even in the top 5 of "fundamental messages" of Star Trek. It's literally a storyworld based on the idea that a fucking eugenics war took place, wiped out the possibly all the jews, most niggers, and all non-based individuals, leaving humanity to be rebuilt by highly ethno-nationalist, distinct groups, led by literal white, male, Americans. That's the show we are talking about here and that is not disputable if you actually watch it. It's a show about ethnics getting along, led by whitey - aka a traditionally-liberal WASP-y white guy's dream scenario. How you fucking retards glean post-modern "progressive" politics out of that based on one inter-racial kiss is beyond me.

>muh black and white face paint episode

again, another wishful-thinking white guys morality play, which we're all fine with. I know you think you're landing these slam-dunk takedowns, but with every comment you reveal you haven't actually paid attention to the show, only these 'meme scenes' that you selectively cite and misinterpret to fit you and your ideology. I have no idea where you get the impression that "everybody" on Star Trek was a "mutt". Worf wasn't, but i can see how you might think that since when you should be giving your attention to our beloved Star Trek, you were instead posting to reddit about how "I FUCKING LOVE STAR TREK" and upvoting every virtue signaling screed about Star Trek's exquisite sjw pedigree. The only problem is, that aint the fucking show, retard. You're literally watching a show by liberal (but not modern progressive) white men projecting their dominance out into time and space and bringing their diverse get-along-gang - the talented 10-percent of every ethnic group remaining after the rest eat themselves - along for the ride.

STD is obviously made by people who never really absorbed Star Trek and are only aware of surface references. It appears that a large number of leftoid "fans" are the same way.