a1a70f No.17198 [Last50 Posts]
Why do they wear the mask?
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18b12b No.17199
>Hirogen
Actually surprised they haven't been mentioned before. Considering they allowed for some watchable Voyager episodes.
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b53af5 No.17206
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dbbadb No.17225
I like them more than predators
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4704af No.17232
>>17198
More efficient than filling a whole ship with what you breathe.
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70bef1 No.17270
>>17225
It does help that they can effectively communicate their ideas instead of indecipherable clicks and hisses.
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aaab0f No.18229
Hirogen must have had a FUCKHUGE Empire at some point.
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32e3ef No.18389
>>18229
Less Empire and more hunting grounds. But yeah, they strayed far and wide, and had incredibly advanced power generation capabilities. SFDebris sperged about how "Stupid" it was that Hirogen tech was more compatible…..because SFDebris is fucking retarded.
They just brought over some generators fucktard.
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9aae44 No.18390
>>17199
>hirogen getting redpilled by a holodeck character
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32aee8 No.18391
>>17199
>watchable Voyager episodes.
Ha ha no
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b1d180 No.18397
>>18391
>Le all Voyager was shit meme
Nigger even though most of Voyager was terrible there was some good scenes. Mainly Hirogen and EMH episodes.
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7a969e No.18411
>>18397
>see there’s a corn kernel in that shit
Just stop
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32e3ef No.18418
>>18391
Fuck off, Chuck. People liked Voyager. Deal with it.
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1ece08 No.18435
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4c1a5f No.18436
Why is it the Hirogen look better in Klingon armor than Klingons do? Hell, even Quark looked better in Klingon armor than the Klingons did and didn't Paris wear Klingon armor in one episode?
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94180d No.18437
>>18436
Klingon armor makes you look better because it makes you look more like a Klingon. Klingons already look like Klingons so the armor doesn't add anything.
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5a1947 No.18439
>>18418
>>18435
I think even Chuck admits to what >>18397 says. It doesn't make it a good show, however, merely a bad show with redeeming features.
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32e3ef No.18450
>>18397
>>18439
Yeah, but no. EMH episodes are a boring pain in the ass to watch unless anyone else is the focus. Literally anyone else. the one with him possessing 7 of 9? Hilarious fetish fuel, and largely good because I didn't have to look at Robert Picardo's ugly ass frog face.
>>18435
Even with Chuck's ridiculous bias's and stupid shitty, nitpicking, I'd still recommend his website, his editing and narration on most stuff isn't bad. And sometimes, even when he is desperately ragging on Voyager, he accidentally is nicely informative on the backstory of something.
But good fucking god does he bring up some of the dumbest shit, Chuck Sonnenburg actually has a review where he brings up UPN's episode previews as a detriment to the episode.
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32e3ef No.18452
>>18450
Regarding the EMH, I'll explain myself.
Data was made to be a person. A citizen. His form and function is to be an Artifical Person. Or Synthetic Person. So watching Data's personal journeys, acted out quite wonderfully, is genuinely interesting to watch, even when its boring because its TNG.
The EMH was made and designed to be a fancy fucking tool. It would have been for the show for the EMH to remain that way, to never be expanded beyond that, and to have part of the crew's problem relate to emotionally bonding with a machine.
Chuck, and others, praising one of the worst mistakes of Voyager makes it damned clear that they utterly hate the show, largely for illogical and irrational reasons that they may be ashamed to admit, and every review is beyond biased.
Praising the Doctor episodes is the surest way to proclaim loudly to everyone that you have no taste, and should never be listened to regarding what was wrong with the show.
Criticize the WOMAN writer that wrote Janeway as a Mary Sue. In fact, Chuck almost outright does this occasionally, but stringently avoids making it a feature. Almost like he's a pussy to really let loose with his honest opinions and scrambles for a substitute. Don't criticize CAPTAIN Janeway going Commando and playing the gun toting badass like every other fucking Captain in the show has(The Giant Plague Space Bugs). And Chuck bitched about what they were called and knocked the episode for it. What in the fuck?! Why?! Wooptey Do, some halfwitted miners call it a macrophage, or it makes it through the translators all derpy. Maybe its a nickname based off of misunderstood interpretation of what they do and the medical name is complex and unknown.
Rhino Virus any one?
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94180d No.18454
>>18452
I'm sorry anon but your explanation isn't very coherent.
>Data was made to be a person. A citizen. His form and function is to be an Artifical Person. Or Synthetic Person. So watching Data's personal journeys, acted out quite wonderfully, is genuinely interesting to watch, even when its boring because its TNG.
>The EMH was made and designed to be a fancy fucking tool. It would have been for the show for the EMH to remain that way, to never be expanded beyond that, and to have part of the crew's problem relate to emotionally bonding with a machine.
Why must the intended design of either be such a hard indicator of the character's development? Data might have been "designed" to be a person by Soong, but it's not as if anyone knew that for most of his Starfleet career, because they didn't even know he was designed by Soong. Even after that discovery, Pulaski tended to treat Data as just a walking computer. We had an entire episode on TNG dedicated to the question of whether Data was an entity in his own right or Starfleet property.
And why, exactly, does the EMH being "made and designed to be a fancy fucking tool" preclude the Doctor from developing into something more? If anything, isn't the arc of a "fancy fucking tool" becoming more than he was ever designed have the potential to be more compelling than the arc of someone "made to be a person" by his creator dutifully fulfilling that role?
>Criticize the WOMAN writer that wrote Janeway as a Mary Sue. In fact, Chuck almost outright does this occasionally, but stringently avoids making it a feature. Almost like he's a pussy to really let loose with his honest opinions and scrambles for a substitute. Don't criticize CAPTAIN Janeway going Commando and playing the gun toting badass like every other fucking Captain in the show has(The Giant Plague Space Bugs). And Chuck bitched about what they were called and knocked the episode for it. What in the fuck?! Why?! Wooptey Do, some halfwitted miners call it a macrophage, or it makes it through the translators all derpy. Maybe its a nickname based off of misunderstood interpretation of what they do and the medical name is complex and unknown.
I'm afraid your train of thought here is a bit of a runaway, I can't understand what you're talking about or what point you're trying to make so I can't rightly respond.
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32e3ef No.18455
>>18454
>And why, exactly, does the EMH being "made and designed to be a fancy fucking tool" preclude the Doctor from developing into something more?
Because its fucking faggotry that forces a lame justification to look at Robert Picardo's fugly mug.
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94180d No.18459
>>18455
You're really caught up on that. Did Picardo corner you with Kim's clarinet at a convention or something?
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c9aa70 No.18462
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6cb68c No.18476
>>18455
You seem rather upset over nothing.
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7cf79d No.18478
>>18476
Tbh Kira vs The Doctor would be an intersting convo.
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1d75ae No.18551
>>18455
You seem emotional
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96d5ef No.18751
>>17198
No-one cared who they were until they put on the masks.
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2214bc No.18760
I think the Hirogen are the only memorable race from Voyager which makes me wonder, how did they manage to make the Delta Quadrant so boring?
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96d5ef No.18788
>>18760
>make a Star Trek series, hot on the heels of DS9
>cut yourself off almost entirely from all preexisting lore by putting the entire ship 70 years away from the nearest familiar culture at maximum warp
>have to invent entirely new species and civilizations without having the familiar ones to compare them to
>even undermine what traces you have of the existing cultures by constantly fudging your existing principles
>undermine the very core tension of the show by casually interrupting the harrowing journey home for idle exploration at the drop of a hat
>render the central conflict livening up relations between the crew almost entirely irrelevant by the very premise of your show (nothing for the Maquis to fight for in the Delta Quadrant, d'oh!)
>on top of that, also be terrible writers, making shitty versions of the races carefully developed in other series
>undermine the very limitations you wrote into your own show by lazily ignoring them when they become inconvenient
>realize that your show is shit and viewership is tanking
>have the only genuinely artificial crew member show orders of magnitude more humanity than two other actual flesh-and-blood crew members (one of whom is just a hot chick in spandex put there in a transparent bid to glue desperate nerds to the TV to shore up ratings, and the other of whom is supposed to be the captain's most trusted confidant)
Need I go on?
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9aae44 No.18790
>>18788
>realize that your show is shit and viewership is tanking
but worst of all
get better ratings than ds9, justifying any dogshit aired on voy
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7683b0 No.18796
>>18760
>how did they manage to make the Delta Quadrant so boring?
it was dull because it was trying to do two things and ends up doing neither of them even remotely well. Somehow, during development the staff got it in their heads that they needed to do an "edgy" Star Trek that "took risks", but in reality what they wanted to do (and what the studios wanted them to do as well) was to keep making TNG and telling TNG stories. The initial premise of Voyager appears to have been a function of groupthink, which no one seems to have questioned or thought-through (probably for fear of seeming like they "dont get it"). Its sort of like the social justice shit shoe-horned in to projects now, where it all just seems perfunctory box-checking. Few are motivated to include it, but almost all are afraid not to.
If the writers really were crazy about the premise, they would have kept writing for it despite the studios pressuring them to tell TNG stories. They would have found a way to make it work. Instead, most of the run is just TNG but without the familiar backstory, races, and most tragic of all, very few cameos from the TNG actors who at that time were doing very little. They literally found a way to repeat one of the deepest flaws of TNG in walling themselves off from the other series.
What they needed and what they wanted was a TNG relaunch with a budget cast. Fans would have gone along with it, too. But because there were all these assumed boxes they believed they needed to check, they ended up with a crippling premise that should have been a 4-episode mini-arc with a season finale cliffhanger in the middle, maybe like a year of hell sort of thing. Literally the rest of the series run could have been TNG 2.0
The wild card is Ron Moore who it seems had a legit interest in that kind of storytelling considering the work he went on to do with the BSG reboot. He didn't stay with Voyager very long, so it's hard to say what he really would have done. It's hard to take anything these people say after the fact at face value. They probably could have kept him for the promise of 1 grimdark Klingon 2-part story per season.
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16a67c No.18924
>>18790
Wait a second Voyager got better views than DS9? How?
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a6f99c No.18925
>>18796
Ron Moore would have fucked it up like he did nuBSG. Ultimately he had nothing mapped out and he would indulge impulses without figuring out an answer for anything he was doing.
As disappointing as Voyager was, it was better than nuBSG, which started off string but got so fucking bad it ended up totally collapsing to the point it’s barely mentioned.
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0b04cd No.18926
>>18925
I forgot what happened to nuBSG. How badly did they fuck it up?
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ab3916 No.18931
>>18926
I remember watching it as it came out - near the end, they laid on the misery so think it started to get funny and completely ruined the show. I watched it for years and tapped out five eps before the finale and have no regrets.
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6b7e84 No.19217
>>18926
>I forgot what happened to nuBSG. How badly did they fuck it up?
It's been awhile since I watched through the series and there are a lot of autistic details that were fussed over with the show after around the mid-point in the run (most of which I don't even remember) and it jumped the shark around about the time the song All Along the Watchtower became a literal plot device in the show and not a cool motif/reference. Or maybe it jumped the shark when Kara Thrace became a supernatural resurrected magic being to add to her can-do kickass chick resume along with fighter pilot, lethal crackshot sniper, and edgy troubled artist but the gist of it is that that little brief text synopsis in the opening sequence of each episode was total bullshit: there was no plan. And it wasn't just that Cylons had no plan… the writers didn't either.
I really don't know why they attempt these serialized story-arc shows without a overarching plot outline already written, but I'm sure there's a reason. Personally, I think they reached a point when they found Earth and it was nuked that the show was absolutely supposed to turn dark and end badly for most of the characters and they probably could have pulled-off a bittersweet ending with a few survivors on a new planet and their decendents "tellin' the tell" like the end of Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome except that they had gotten all the mystical shit started and they didn't know how to wrap it up so they stretched it long enough to give that dumb shit some kind of ending and then abruptly ended the show. I remember that the lead-up to the finale is pretty short. The show has a rather abrupt ending as I recall.
In retrospect, they should have focused more on the fleet and the survivors and fleshed-out the internal politics and more characters and treated the Cylons like some kind of environmental hazard / force of nature… sort of how zombie shows tend to be (as much as I hate zombie shows and think they're played-out). Some of the best characters and plots were just these random people plucked out of the fleet like that lawyer guy with the cat Romo Lampkin. I would have liked these characters and their backgrounds to have more verisimilitude by fleshing out the fleet.
It seemed like they were trying to give the show a more philosophical approach, which deteriorated into a pseudo-spiritual wank-fest. This could have been avoided if they had bothered to plot the series out. There is supposedly a logic to the ending and you can read about it. I'm not trying to say it's nonsensical, it's just bad from the perspective of the characters themselves and the worldbuilding. The worldbuilding becomes really… dumb.. by the end. I remember liking Gaita's arc though. His character never got dipped in mystical shit, if i recall, and he pretty much stayed believable.
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b0eb37 No.19289
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6b97ab No.19366
>>19289
Hirogen are absolutely in charge.
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16a67c No.19602
>>19289
>Hirogen Bane
>/bane/ wins Hunger Games
What kind of meme magic is at work here?
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ab43de No.19902
>>18397
>Nazis with guns
>somehow get overrun by drunken space vikings with poorly designed melee weapons
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70bef1 No.19921
>>19902
Barring advances in medical technology a knife in the gut is as deadly today as it was a thousand years ago, of you're fleshy and a big bit of sharp metal goes through that flesh it's going to ruin your day, today, tomorrow or four hundred years in the future.
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18b12b No.19923
>>19921
>>19902
The real question is how the Klingons seemingly lacking explosives managed to have artillery.
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85095a No.19931
>>19923
>>19921
>>19902
Klingons are more intelligent than they appear. They are the Trek equivalent of Russian Hackers.
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32e3ef No.20031
>>18924
Because like it or not, you butthurt Chuck cock riders, Voyager was a good show with a likable cast, even if it had a few flaws.
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a0db4a No.20033
>>20031
>Voyager was a good show
Anon, pretending to be retarded is the same as being retarded.
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42e7b4 No.21393
>>17198
THE HUNT.
>>18391
Caretaker is best pilot episode, and Intrepid class ships are the most aesthetically pleasing.
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4ce445 No.21401
>>19931
>Klingons are the Trek equivalent of Russian Hackers.
No, Romulans are the russian hackers
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5433a1 No.21403
>>20031
>Voyager was a good show with a likable cast
User was sent to Rura Penthe for this post
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1c4a33 No.21407
>>18418
People like Ciscovery you ignorant twat. Enterprise and Voyager sucked. Get some taste.
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5a1947 No.21429
>>21407
>people like STD
Anon, are you feeling well?
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0d6e7f No.21622
>>21407
>People
I wouldn't class them as "people" anon
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5ddce7 No.21626
>>21407
>People like Ciscovery
What? When, where, how, show some proof you slut.
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111539 No.21755
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85095a No.21910
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42e7b4 No.22307
>>19217
> without a overarching plot outline already written
It's a gamble. You see the writers don't want to work on something that will probably be cancelled, they had a "holy fuck people are actually watching this" moment and pulled their shit together better than the writers of Lost.
BSG ended with a literal deus ex machina moment if I recall correctly.
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7ad0f0 No.22339
>>21407
The ratings are miserable and ENT and VOY were both received far better by general audiences and fans.
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94180d No.22342
>>21407
Sure, that's why all of CBS's comments about the success of All-Access are vague comments about how the userbase has doubled, instead of giving any concrete numbers. And why all the ST veterans are going to The Orville instead of STD, while what few veterans remained at STD are getting poached by MacFarlane for his show.
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3c8601 No.22712
>>18454
> If anything, isn't the arc of a "fancy fucking tool" becoming more than he was ever designed have the potential to be more compelling than the arc of someone "made to be a person" by his creator dutifully fulfilling that role?
If that is true than the exocomps in one single episode of TNG did more to engross the audience than an entire series.
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3c8601 No.22713
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94180d No.22714
>>22712
>>22713
If the Exocomps could talk, it's entirely possible you could have stretched out their development over a few episodes and create a similarly compelling story.
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3f2a65 No.22824
>>18437
I just laughed out loud perhaps too loud.
>>21401
Romulans were Nazi boogeyman, Klingons were Russian. This is established since Kirk weighed less than 200lb.
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f9eed5 No.22829
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>>22342
>Sure, that's why all of CBS's comments about the success of All-Access are vague comments about how the userbase has doubled, instead of giving any concrete numbers.
I'm sure it will be a huge success in due time and the future will judge it to be as successful as crystal pepsi.
:^)
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25060f No.22833
>>22829
They've done a couple limited-run "reboots" of that stuff in the last couple years, and I actually thought it was breddy gud.
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f9eed5 No.22836
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>>22833
>I actually thought it was breddy gud.
I don't remember the taste much if at all, but bepis in general seems to be sweeter than coke. A bit too sweet for me actually.
It was a strange time in the 90's. And now here is a supposed illuminati decoding of the crystal bepis returns commercial because hey why not, it's still more entertaining to me than STD.
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dcd9e6 No.22838
>>18476
i always though paris should have slapped the shit out of him after he reconfigured the emitter again.
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37ab29 No.22844
>>22838
Paris probably realized that the Doc would just phase out the moment he tried and continue to troll him.
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2d4cac No.22919
>>18389
Wasn't there a retarded bit about why the Holodecks *couldn't* be trurned off for some bullshit reason early in Soyager?
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2d4cac No.22920
>>20031
It must hard for your family, dealing with this level of retardation.
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8942d0 No.22928
>>19921
Nobody is saying a knife wound isn't dangerous, moron. How the hell are people armed with poorly designed melee weapons overruning trained soldiers armed with rifles, machine guns, and hand grenades?
When someone asks how a handful of Zulu warriors with spears managed to kill a platoon of US Marines, you don't reply by saying "getting stabbed with a spear is deadly", dumbass.
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26f8e0 No.22969
>>22714
is there any reason they could do all that other stuff yet not talk
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4eb221 No.24795
>>18788
Voyager was actually a great show TNG only improved.
>>cut yourself off almost entirely from all preexisting lore by putting the entire ship 70 years away from the nearest familiar culture at maximum warp
<Borg never existed in any other ST series ever.
I think you are wrong on this one however I admit the other standard races did not normally show up (excluding hologram replicas, the solo Klingon ship and Belana getting turned into a 100% Klingon).
Even despite this you got Tuvok where you can explore standard Vulcan.
You must admit that all series did have its gimmick aliens to explore DS9 explored Ferengi and their culture, TNG the Klingons and their culture.
Voyager explored more the Borg.
Its also incredibly disingenuous considering the fact that Voyager did have 1 prime villain alien for every season and it made perfect sense they where crossing this civilizations territory in the time frame of this season.
>>have to invent entirely new species and civilizations without having the familiar ones to compare them to
Full stop.
You want me to list every alien civilization of the episode in TNG and DS9? Civilizations who only show up for 1 (ONE) episode and are never seen again?
Or do you admit this is something all Trek series did?
Because to conclude otherwise would make you insane or a hypocrite since all trek series did this.
Or are you talking about the characters saying "this is exactly like the Klingons/Vulcan" etc?
To my knowledge they did it form time to time and to the same extent like all trek series.
Where is this Voyager hate coming from?
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26f8e0 No.24797
VOYboys still trying to gaslight
Give it up, it's not funny
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376ae3 No.24826
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c7848b No.24852
>>24797
>>24826
Why do some have a raging hate boner for VOY?
Literally every time you ask them they can not answer the questions and the discussion looks something insane like this
<VOY sucks because its a Science Fiction show!!!
All of Trek is SF so by this logic all of Trek is bad why is VOY a bad Trek show if this criticism is equally valid for all Trek shows?
<[Literally fails to answer counter question, gets angry]
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02e923 No.24853
>>24852
> the discussion looks something insane like VOY sucks because its a Science Fiction show!!!
so, you can't understand a common argument against Voyager so you compare them to a non-sequitur and proceed to argue against the non-sequitur? That kind of strawmanning doesn't seem like it would be good for your mental health.
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c7848b No.24855
>>24853
Because this slight exaggeration is only a handful of steps away from actual VOY-haters arguments or reasoning.
>That kind of strawmanning
How about you actually present a real argument why VOY sucks etc?
I'm waiting all I have ever seen and these are real examples(Pink = exaggerated parody; green = real quotes) is shit like
>VOY sucks!
Assertion without explanation
Or the insane >>18788
Like shown in >>24795
the
<Muh Voyager did have "civilization of the episode" episodes
(actual paraphrasing of what pases for VOY-haters dribble)
Is equally valid for all Trek series I even included the most memorable looking ones like Sheliaks in the picture >>24795.
What is the counter response to this:
>>24797
>VOYboys still trying to gaslight
<Stop gaslight me REEEEEE
How far away from the real VOY-haters argument is my parody?
Also I have never seen anyone who was not a insane feminist use the word gaslight.
So can you ever explain yourself and why you hate VOY? And Please something other then things that are in all Trek series.
Like having "civilization of the episode" because this condemns all of Trek equally.
Thank you.
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02e923 No.24860
>>24855
Checked on general principle and here's a rare Kate to ease your troubled spirit
>How about you actually present a real argument why VOY sucks etc?
why? If we're being honest, i used to hate it, but to me Voyager officially stopped sucking the night STD premiered. Now it's just "least amongst the Treks", but I dont hate it. It's still Star Trek, even with all its many and consistent flaws
To be honest, you sound as though if you have any autism, you aren't applying it correctly. Why don't you compose for /strek/ an extended treatment for post-Nemesis Starfleet uniforms or muse on why and how the Miranda-class gets by without an obvious main deflector dish and post it in the appropriate thread? Also, you should make sure you're getting-in a good 30-minutes of cardio at least 5-times a week and of course, lifting. Also, you may want to get your bloodwork done and have your hormones and shit checked-out, just to be on the safe side. Moderate your 'screen' exposure and get some goddamn sun. You want to be sure that the meltdown your having isn't avoidable with reasonably swole-centric lifestyle changes.
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79ee9b No.24861
>>24860
I'm actually curious why people dislike it or did dislike it.
>Now it's just "least amongst the Treks", but I dont hate it
It did have some great stories and great episodes.
>least amongst the Treks
Even less then Enterprise?
>even with all its many and consistent flaws
I like to hear about them, I'm not a blind fanboy I like to know other peoples opinions.
While I watched it I liked it and so did my other friends(we laugh about its idiosyncrasies; think of it like Dr. Who fans talking about stairs and Daleks) I was never aware of the hate for it.
SF Debree looked like a raving lunatic entering at insane tangents over Voyager that simply make no sense while ignoring far more silly and stupid things in Trek or other fiction.
I simply want to know why people dislike it, however all answer are really impossible arguments because they will condemn every other Trek equally.
> Why don't you compose for
<I don't want to give any reasons why I don't like VOY
Sorry I like to see a answer for this because you people keep inserting it into every discussion there is and if questioned why its so bad run like cockroaches from the light.
Here have a short list of civilization of the episode in other trek.
TNG
<Bynars
(gimmicky civilization that is stupid to advance a plot point)
<Shelliacks
(actually look interesting could be explored to be a big antagonist however forgotten forever)
DS9
<Hunters/Tosk
(whatever the living fuck the name of their civilization was or if it even was given) (have a gimmick to advance a plot) (are never seen after this)
<Wadi
(Have a gimmick to create drama) (are never seen after this)
Dosi (red faced merchants who have anger problems ) (could be used to interact with the Ferengi) (are never seen after this episode)
<Skrreeans
(the aliens who did not get translated instantly however the problem solves itself after 10 minutes) (they did no even have a reason to be included and their episode was generally pointless and boring) (the only memorable thing about them is that the actors themselves did have trouble even saying their stupid name and commonalty did say "screens" or "screams" instead)
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376ae3 No.24879
>>24861
Not enough of the main cast won me over. TOS, TNG, DS9, all had extremely charismatic main casts. I didn't like them all but I liked most of them. Voyager only had holodoctor. Others could have their moments, Tuvok from time to time, Janeway wasn't bad don't get me wrong, that actress is talented as fuck, Seven was a great actress too but her default form was hit, but I didn't like them enough to make enduring the steaming heaps of shittiness worth it. Kim was so fucking boring, Paris was even worse, fuck that guy with a rake, Chikotay was just a bland asshole, that half Klong bitch was just an obnoxious bitch, and Neelix of course was the worst fucking thing they could have possibly come up with, and you are… stuck with these assholes… episode after episode… shitting up everything they touch. Enterprise had the same problem but was only one step up because unlike most I actually liked Archer and most episodes centered around him. I also found the writing better. Still no DS9 mind you. So Voyager is the bottom bitch and you're all VOYboys now because I'm right.
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0e261e No.24881
>>24879
Hmm I mostly watch my fiction for the stories and Voyager did have its great stories.
My favorite
Scientific method
Heross and demons and every hologram or Holodoctor or holodeck episode.
Warhead
Warlord
The one where they repair the robot
The clown in the virtual reality who embodies fear
And others
The fake ship.
The time war ship year of hell or what was it.
The Klingon afterlife.
The planet where time moves super fast was great.
The 2 Voyagers thing (where they got new Kim from).
As for the cast, I'm not big into casts mind you.
Holodoctor was really good.
Janeway was a great captain I even noted some episodes where she is actually intelligent the best example is prime factors where she is a real diplomat and thinks and reasons with the natives and also is understanding that they are on the other side of the prime directive now.
From what I remember nearly all TNG diplomacy was screaming like a madman while demanding things and flip flopping for no reason.
There is only so much the actors can make if the script is written terribly. She was simply better written.
As for the rest of the cast Paris was someone I liked his personality was nice (no Garak charming however nice) also I liked how they actually gave him interests namely his captain proton show. It was so nice for him to actually try to use ideas form old fiction to improve the delta flier.
Belana (or how you write this) was also a interesting character and did have things to say better engineer then O’Brien she also generated most of the drama in the episodes.
Seven was interesting however I noted that the writers flip flopped if she is a complete loner or freaks out with no others around based on her Borg history.
Tuvok was OK he was there.
Chikotay he was there nothing special however they really tried to make him interesting with his native tradition gimmick.
Kim was basically a background character that people took on missions nothing bad nothing special.
Neelix at my original viewing I simply did not notice this character more like another Kim to me. Now he is kind of in your face and really not respectful of the crew, however he did have some development i liked how he was dragged into illegal stuff because he was afraid he would be useless after they leave the space he knows.
>Enterprise
For me the biggest problem with Enterprise is no super fiction stories at least in S1 + S2 (the Xindi make everything better). No time travel no clones or alternative dimensions simply only traveling the galaxy, bitching about how the Vulcan restrict humans and the tiered whatever the fuck these super genetically manipulated lizard things where.
The night in sickbay is simply watching Archer bitch and nothing of interest coming whatsoever.
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4afc65 No.24908
I wouldn't describe VOY as bad so much as disappointing. It could have been great, but the best thing I can say about it is that is was better then ENT.
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ce2e91 No.24937
>>18788
>have to invent entirely new species and civilizations without having the familiar ones to compare them to
Voyager has had episodes with Klingons, a Romulan, Ferrengi, a Cardassian hologram, Bolean crewman, and a bunch of Borg episodes.
Besides, what's wrong with making up new species?
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ce2e91 No.24938
>>24881
>The clown in the virtual reality who embodies fear
That episode is called The Thaw and is literally a 2/10.
>The planet where time moves super fast was great.
That one is called Blink of An Eye and is one of my favourites 8/10.
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aa58a4 No.26749
>Why do they wear the mask?
THE HUNT.
Hunter aliens are the best alien cultural trope.
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aa58a4 No.26838
>>24881
>The planet where time moves super fast was great.
>
>The 2 Voyagers thing (where they got new Kim from).
Yeah these were good. Did you like the Dinosaur people?
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ce2e91 No.26927
In VOY 6x15 What was a hirogen doing 30,000 light-years from hirogen space?
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37ab29 No.26929
>>26927
The Hirogen were highly nomadic, no? Their communications networked extended out to the Beta Quadrant and to the edge of Romulan space, so it's not too much of a stretch to say they could pop up anywhere in between now and again.
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16332e No.26934
>>26927
>In VOY 6x15 What was a hirogen doing 30,000 light-years from hirogen space?
The backstory is a little complex, but I think it can best be explained through a super-advanced quantum spacetime travel technology known to Federation scientists as "we already had costumes".
I mean, do we really need to nitpick everything? There's no master plan in the Star Trek universe(s), particularly when it comes to Voyager. There's just a whole lot ad-hoc price-conscious weirdness.
Why was there a gangster planet in TOS? Because Desilu studios had a whole bunch of props and costumes left over from The Untouchables after it was cancelled.
Why did 90% of DS9's off-station adventures take place inside buildings or inside That One Cave Set? Budget.
Why did Voyager reuse Hirogen as villains thirty thousand lightyears away from where they were supposed to be? They already had the costumes sitting on shelves.
Why was the bridge of the Enterprise D huge and mostly empty space with ramps everywhere? Because they were shooting on huge film cameras that needed big dollies.
And the average Star Trek producer didn't even care enough about continuity to have the same people writing and directing both parts of two-parters, let alone throughout and across entire seasons. Don't look for logic in Star Trek. Look for the fun high concept sci-fi episodes and accept them for what they are. Slightly goofy and slightly poignant entertainment.
Leave the unified-universe-obsession stuff to those fucking Star Wars fanboys who get a hard-on for seeing Oombloo L'athgell, Jedi-knight-in-hiding, for two seconds in a background shot in that Han Solo movie which obviously MEANS SOMETHING(tm) in the grand scheme of things. Also, I just made up that character. But you believed it for a second, because that really is the sort of thing those plastic-lightsaber-waving losers cream their Kylo Ren little boy briefs over.
We're trekkies, goddammit. The budget-induced plotholes in our shows are a source of whimsical charm, and we love them despite it. Embrace the lack of logic in the writing room. As a wise man once said, "Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end."
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37ab29 No.26935
>>26934
>Leave the unified-universe-obsession stuff to those fucking Star Wars fanboys
Come now, don't tell me you're not the least bit titillated by the thought of creating autistically detailed in-universe explanations for all the budget contrivances and flimsy writing that pop up throughout the franchise, that's half the fun of it all.
>Han Solo movie
>Kylo Ren
Not to sperg, but you do realize fans of that horseshit and fans of Star Wars's ridiculously expansive EU are two mutually exclusive groups right? It's like saying the twenty people who watched STD are the embodiment of trekkies. /trek/ and /sw/ may be united in their hatred for JewJew Abrams and the damage he's done to either IP.
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16332e No.26936
>>26935
>Not to sperg,
The three most self-contradicting words in the english language. But okay, have at it.
>but you do realize fans of that horseshit and fans of Star Wars's ridiculously expansive EU are two mutually exclusive groups right?
Its not about the specific fictional universe, it's about the fanboy mentality in general. Zahnverse, Disneyverse, whatever man. Same shit different day. It's all mass-market entertainment intended to turn a profit for a corporation. Long ago I was really into that fanboy nitpicking stuff. But now I've simply let it go. It's not important. I'm into Trek for the occasional interesting high-concept sci-fi episodes.
>/trek/ and /sw/ may be united in their hatred for JewJew Abrams and the damage he's done to either IP.
Look, I understand that you're doing this amateur-shock-jock blame-the-jews thing for attention and for some sad facsimile of camaraderie on internet forums with other unhappy people. But is that the kind of person you really want to be? You can be better than that.
Everything in life really boils down to a choice of one of two metaphorical uniforms, of upholding a set of ideals that each uniform represents through your words and your actions. Which one of these two uniforms does the best version of yourself wear?
Remember… you can't wear both.
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d2b279 No.26951
>>26936
>Remember… you can't wear both.
Is that so?
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16332e No.26952
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6eb4cd No.26955
>>26936
>Remember… you can't wear both.
But you can combine them.
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67dfc4 No.26963
>>26936
>You can be better than that.
>be better
wtf is going on with /strek/? this is supposed to be slow season and we've got faggots shitting on bro autismos in one thread, trying to shut down the board, and literal reddit moralfags shilling in this one.
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37ab29 No.26967
>>26963
reddit banned a bunch of shit over the past couple weeks, including a sub dedicated to Qlarp. Now there's a horde of rootless MAGApede boomers roving the internet like gypsies, trying to find a place that tolerates them.
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16332e No.26970
>>26963
Oh, gee, I didn't know that the spirit of Star Trek was actually antisemitism. Maybe I missed that chapter in Gene Roddenberry's biography.
Attention dipshits fond of triple parentheses who claim to be Trek fans: let's play "spot the famous Jewish actors".
Some people's kids…
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026b76 No.26973
>>26970
>I didn't know that the spirit of Star Trek was actually antisemitism
Welcome, vigorous defender of God's Chosen People (tm). Here's a tip to someone new to the history Jews in the west: Jews were (and still are) present and involved at every step in anti-semitic movements and are some of the most virulent jew-haters themselves. That's not to say that Trek has been "anti-semitic", because it wasn't, generally. What it does mean is that evidence of Jewish presence shouldn't imply lack of anti-semitism, which you would know if you weren't a naive child on this issue. Jews subvert. They "cleanse" and "judaize" by joining-with and steering any movement that will tolerate their presence, even (and perhaps especially) right-wing movements. Trek is not right-wing, but it is pro-Western, which has been attacked/steered/subverted from the beginning… starting with Nemoy's portrayal of Vulcans as "space jews" where they were not initially conceived that way.
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37ab29 No.26974
>>26970
>Oh, gee, I didn't know that the spirit of Star Trek was actually antisemitism.
That's because you aren't looking hard enough, lad.
>>26973
So now the question remains: Who are the biggest kikes in trek? Prime candidates include:
>shekel-grubbing Ferengi
>Wrinklenoses and muh 15 million Occuhoax Daily reminder that per capita the Cardie occupation was less deadly than Canadian sniffles
>elitist cabal of literal shapeshifters that infiltrate foreign governments and institutions for their own ends, the justification for which is "oy vey you dumb goyim solids, don't go forgetting the 6 gorillion liters"
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16332e No.26977
>>26973
>>26974
Oh for fuck's sake. The fundamental message of Star Trek boils down to "don't be shitty to other people". You are being shitty to other people. Why the fuck don't you see this?
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37ab29 No.26978
>>26977
>Jews
>people
>implying
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c88b0a No.26979
>>26977
Have you ever actually watched Star Trek? I mean… like given it a good serious bit of consideration besides glancing up from your phone or laptop to catch the meme scenes? Because "being, like, cool to one another, man" probably isn't even in the top 5 of "fundamental messages" of Star Trek. It's literally a storyworld based on the idea that a fucking eugenics war took place, wiped out the possibly all the jews, most niggers, and all non-based individuals, leaving humanity to be rebuilt by highly ethno-nationalist, distinct groups, led by literal white, male, Americans. That's the show we are talking about here and that is not disputable if you actually watch it. It's a show about ethnics getting along, led by whitey - aka a traditionally-liberal WASP-y white guy's dream scenario. How you fucking retards glean post-modern "progressive" politics out of that based on one inter-racial kiss is beyond me.
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f42326 No.26981
>>26979
>everyone and their mother (worf, spock, etc) is a mutt.
>you think a human-human kiss is "interracial."
But… I am black on the LEFT side of my face!
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b87a75 No.26989
>muh black and white face paint episode
again, another wishful-thinking white guys morality play, which we're all fine with. I know you think you're landing these slam-dunk takedowns, but with every comment you reveal you haven't actually paid attention to the show, only these 'meme scenes' that you selectively cite and misinterpret to fit you and your ideology. I have no idea where you get the impression that "everybody" on Star Trek was a "mutt". Worf wasn't, but i can see how you might think that since when you should be giving your attention to our beloved Star Trek, you were instead posting to reddit about how "I FUCKING LOVE STAR TREK" and upvoting every virtue signaling screed about Star Trek's exquisite sjw pedigree. The only problem is, that aint the fucking show, retard. You're literally watching a show by liberal (but not modern progressive) white men projecting their dominance out into time and space and bringing their diverse get-along-gang - the talented 10-percent of every ethnic group remaining after the rest eat themselves - along for the ride.
STD is obviously made by people who never really absorbed Star Trek and are only aware of surface references. It appears that a large number of leftoid "fans" are the same way.
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37ab29 No.26992
>>26981
"Everyone" certainly wasn't a mutt–and those few characters that are actually give credence to "racist" ideas about mulattos, as rather than marveling at how wonderful [CURRENT STARDATE] is for being so accepting of interspecies marriage, all of the havus and mongrels we see onscreen lament their mixed ancestry and the fact that they can never fully belong in any one place. Torres claimed she'd "never been more at peace" than when all the Klingon DNA was sucked out of her, Spock experienced disdain from full-blooded Vulcans, and K'Ehleyr is always acting out and has severe anger issues. Even Troi, who seems fine on the surface, suffers from her rootlessness and turns into an aimless, thrill-seeking whore, always stuffing her mouth with either a chocolate binge or a crewmember's cock.
Worf isn't a mutt, he's pure Klingon, which you would know if you were more than a casual reddit-tier observer. But even he's another example of how even culture-mixing has debilitating effects. He never felt at ease around humans, and decided to study his people and immerse himself in their culture. But he never had the chance to experience it and could only ever be an unbearable klingaboo, and couldn't fit in with his own kind either. Your own token mutts prove that racemixing is a mistake.
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f42326 No.26996
>>26992
> Even Troi, who seems fine on the surface, suffers from her rootlessness and turns into an aimless, thrill-seeking whore, always stuffing her mouth with either a chocolate binge or a crewmember's cock.
…of course, half her lineage is from an entire PLANET which is always stuffing their mouth with chocolate or cock, but sure, it's the "love knows no species" thing. which defines the Trekverse.
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aa58a4 No.26997
>>26979
I like that even retards like this guy have found their way here, makes /strek/ more entertaining than it would be otherwise.
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37ab29 No.26998
>>26997
Yeah, as long as the boomers stumble in one at a time you can have some fun with 'em, it's when they migrate in droves that you have to worry.
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eb155f No.28116
>>26970
>Oh, gee, I didn't know that the spirit of Star Trek was actually antisemitism. Maybe I missed that chapter in Gene Roddenberry's biography.
<The congenial Roddenberry concluded what I later realized was a slow burn. “You Jews,” he snarled, “have a lamentable habit of identifying those characteristics in a society that you deem positive and then taking credit for inventing them”
https://archive.is/XJlM1
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