032d55 No.14060 [View All]
Let's have a weapons discussion in trek. What phaser rifles would you like to have. Would you want a Fed model, or the more brutally simple spoonhead made direct energy rifle. If the technology reaches a point where stopping powah and ammo capacity becomes relatively same, would the shape and size of direct energy weapons favor a submachine gun size instead of full length rifles.
Would you rather have a makleth instead of the larger bat'leth due to the extreme short distance of melee CQC in space ship boarding or battle situations. Do you think Worf is a klingon weeaboo who is far too focused on muh million times folded bat'leth because HONOR when he could have got a lot more more out of practical shorter bladed klingon weapons.
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b4a7df No.23653
>>23650
So your canon hierarchy means that it is completely impossible for the character of Jean luc Picard to get angry? He's literally a (hippy version of) mythic zen master in charge of a starship?
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3b38e1 No.23669
>>23650
>TV is primary canon
One issue with this is that multiple series also can contradict each other. I propose that TNG be used as the "master" canon, and then the other series are ranked lower from there. Only higher series can out-canon lower ones.
TNG
DS9
TOS
VOY
ENT
\/
\/
\/
DIS (I hesitate to put this here at all, because just like the JJ-verse it's clearly a hard reboot of the series. Maybe both of those should each just be considering their own self-contained canon?)
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cc0325 No.23670
>>23669
>DS9<TNG
I'd recommend that these two be switched around, because DS9 went a long way towards correcting some issues with lore from TNG.
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b4a7df No.23680
>>23669
JJverse (including STD) is a separate and distinct continuity. It has no interaction with Star Trek.
>>23670
Also this.
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63bf4b No.23682
>>23631
Can we remove the 75-year timeskip between TOS and TNG in our reformed canon? Asking for a friend.
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efbcb6 No.23686
>>23680
>JJverse (including STD) is a separate and distinct continuity. It has no interaction with Star Trek.
Of courshe. But yes really, I'd treat anything pre JewJew as Trek, that's the demarcation line as far as I'm concerned.
>>23670
I'd say yes on that one too.
>>23682
I'll give you a (You) for causing a slight chuckle.
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8dc5ae No.23696
>>14157
Apparently in most battles in edo-period Japan (a time when the other civilised countries all had muskets / rifles, but Japan was isolated on purpose and the few firearms they had were locked away by lords), the samurai used spears / pikes or bows. Even when they didn't have firearms the katana and wakazishi (or whatever the short one is called) were ceremonial / dueling weapons.
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bd5ad2 No.23699
>>23669
The only thing that makes sense is to make TOS + first 6 movies the primary canon and everything else be treated as an AU canon. Possibly several AU's.
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b4a7df No.23700
>>23699
It could be simpler to define every individual show (and its associated movies) as its own universe.
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3b38e1 No.23706
>>23700
It would be simpler, but there's a lot of crossover between TNG, DS9, and VOY as they took place at the same time and sometimes swapped characters or events. And the Mirror Universe supposedly bridges all of them.
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b4a7df No.23713
>>23706
True, but there's enough contradictions between those three shows that treating the crossovers as special cases would be easier than the other way around.
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efbcb6 No.23853
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/reused_props_beam_weapons.htm
A site about the weapon props through out different series.
>Starfleet rifle
>Quark demonstrates a rifle with gold tarnish to his customers in DS9: "Business as Usual". The weapon appears to be a modification of the Starfleet weapon that is in use since "Star Trek: First Contact".
A possibly unlicensed copy or mod of a Fed rifle. Even if personally I still rather have a Cardi space AK, the thought of a jailbroken Fed phaser rifle lubed with Fed tears sold by a Ferengi sounds pretty sweet.
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716967 No.23858
>>23653
Do you not understand the difference between movie Picard and television Picard? Have you never seen a fucking Star Trek movie? He yells, screams, flips out and smashes random objects, breaks starfleet laws nonstop, does immoral shit, murders crew members…. it's not the same character.
>>23669
>s that multiple series also can contradict each other.
Try reading the whole post next time
>In the case where plot points on a single medium (TV, or movie, or book) contradict each other, the earlier plot point or the more common plot point in the same medium will take precedence over a later or less common plot point.
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e751b8 No.24081
>>23858
>it's not the same character.
and yet it is the same character. You wanting them to be two different characters doesn't make it so.
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3ca9a1 No.24090
>>24081
The two characters are acting differently, this doesn't make them the same. I don't get your post, no one wants picard to be a schizophrenic.
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3b38e1 No.24094
>>24090
>People can never get angry or want revenge
>PTSD doesn't exist
>Everyone in Trek should have one-dimensional characters
Seriously, dude. You're a retard.
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e751b8 No.24102
>>24090
>Be Picard
>Watch the Borg do time shit at Earth to destroy everything you care about
>Get sucked back through time to a primitive and barbarous era
>Borg invade ship, kill your own man to save him from assimilation
>Start getting PTSD flashbacks to that one time the Borg raped your everything with power tools
>Literally fighting to save everything you know
<Hmm, I guess that this intense stress means that I will act the way I normally do at the office.
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3ca9a1 No.24103
>>24094
>>24102
>go through far more stressful situations without spazzing out
>get assimilated and brought back
>fight borg without spazzing out
>doesn't spazz out and kill hugh
>doesn't spazz out and kill the borg cult
Cut to movie
>order crew to kill assimilated crew despite the fact that they can be brought back
Yeah totally consistent.
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3b38e1 No.24116
>>24103
>I know Picard's mind more than the writers who created him
>I'm an expert on PTSD and know it will either always happen or never happen
>Picard's assimilation was exactly the same as a normal drone's assimilation
Get outta here, kid.
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3ca9a1 No.24118
>>24116
>implying the writers who created him were a single group of people
>implying Angry Picard wasn't a retarded invention to draw dudebros to the big screen
Fucking lol.
>Picard's assimilation was exactly the same as a normal drone's assimilation
They actually said it was in the show. Also how do you explain the fact he didn't kill Hugh or the homicidal Borg Cult under the control of Lore, yet he spazzed out and killed his own crew with whom he served for years.
Also I know enough about PTSD to know it doesn't strike at random intervals.
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3b38e1 No.24141
>>24118
>They actually said it was in the show
Except it clearly wasn't. It went more in depth in FC with the whole "counterpart" thing, but it was still obvious in BoBW because he didn't have as much shit stuck in his face as the average drone did. He was literally the spokesperson for the Borg for their interactions with humanity; it was in his fucking NAME: Locutus. HE HAD A FUCKING NAME!! How can you even think he was the same as every other drone?!
>I know enough about PTSD
You don't know a goddamn thing; don't lie. What, you once read a wikipedia article? Pathetic.
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3ca9a1 No.24146
>>24141
>because he didn't have as much shit stuck in his face
Fucking lol. So because of your subjective determination YOU have the power to determine canon.
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cc0325 No.24150
>>24141
>He was literally the spokesperson for the Borg for their interactions with humanity
But he was still just a drone. That wasn't Picard speaking, it was the Collective speaking; they believed that using a human as a representative would make the Federation more amicable to assimilation, and/or demoralize them in battle if they resisted.
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b1f4e3 No.24155
>>24103
To be fair those crewmembers were complete jerks to him. He just wanted an excuse to shoot them.
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4fd93b No.29852
Bumping this thread cause want thoughts on Orville guns?
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174fb2 No.29853
>>29852
I like the design, their weapons have the same sleek approach as their ships.
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d19d54 No.29855
>>29853
NO TRIGGER GUARDS
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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e16c8a No.29873
>>29853
>>29852
I've not seen The Orville because it's on Pay to View TV here, but it reminds me of the weapons from Mass Effect (not Andromeda), especially from the first game, where they were designed to fold up and then unfold when you needed to use them.
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3b4aa2 No.29875
>>29855
Trigger guards would be racist.
Plus IRL winter weapons often don't have them, and space is very cold.
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dc9f4a No.29876
>>29855
If you're making winter capable gun, you make it so gloved fingers can use it. This is why a lot of Soviet weapons had removable trigger guards, or extra large ones.
Maybe this is meant to be used with a EVA suit?
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dc9f4a No.29877
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>>29875
GET OUT
OF MY
FUCKING
HEAD
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3b4aa2 No.29879
>>29876
>>29877
Snap nigga
That, and I guess since point is to avoid snags or worse, discharging from snagging, there's no need for a guard on a gun that isn't typically carried (only grabbed in emergency situations) and probably has a fucking supercomputer in it that can tell whether or not you meant to pull the trigger.
Kinda like how TNG phasers knew where to aim even when they were pointed nowhere near the target, lol
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7384b2 No.29898
What I don't get is why there is still no gun that can be fired with your benis?
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09972b No.29977
>>29898
Why no ass phasers?
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eb44ce No.30241
Why did Feds switch from Blue to Orange phasers?
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6d1d38 No.30244
>>30241
Orange looks more menacing.
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6f25c2 No.30254
>>29875
>Plus IRL winter weapons often don't have them, and space is very cold.
Would it not make sense to design phasers for use in EVA suits? Or even to design phasers specifically for use while wearing an EVA suit while issuing different phasers for regular use in a pressurised environment or in a suitable atmosphere?
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4f5d9b No.30264
>>30254
Well yeah.Why not put a phaser in every codpiece, commbadge, croissant…
In Orville? They're clearly products of our own time and appropriately retarded just like we are.
Completely not going to be surprised when they eventually reveal that everything about how the Union operates is that way because they're all Star Trek fans.
But in Star Trek? They have the technology to be a thousand times more deadly than they are, but don't.
As long as we're headcanoning we might as well assume there's some ideological reason why. In fact they all seem kinda preoccupied with rising above their worst tendancies. Even the most warlike consider themselves products of a legacy of honour.
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c28f50 No.30268
>>30244
Better stay in the Federation goyim!
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6f25c2 No.30276
>>30264
>Well yeah.Why not put a phaser in every codpiece, commbadge, croissant…
Maybe you misunderstood me.
I meant more phasers which were designed to be usable while the user was in an EVA suit.
Much like how tools for use in space while on an EVA are designed specifically to be easier to use while wearing an EVA suit makes sense and why those same tools are not used inside the pressurised elements of spacecraft and spacestations.
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a4984c No.30279
>>30276
No, I got you, but my point was: why do they use archaic weapon paradigms like handguns and rifles at all? Why do the Klingons use those dumb fucking bat'leth?
They have the technology to turn every away party member into a fully-shielded beam-hedgehog who can transport your heart out of your chest with a gesture, but they don't.
When it comes to phaser rifles, they *could* have a huge arsenal of specialised weapon types, sure. EVA issue variants are just the tip of that iceberg. But once you start gearing up like you're *expecting* to fight (as opposed to maintaining the pretence that every vessel is a science/exploration/diplomacy platform only and Starfleet has no warships), why aren't you using antigrav phaser drones, orbital sniping, or nanite phage clouds?
All of those are more efficacious tools, if that's the goal. than putting a more ergonomic handle on what is essentially a 17th-century weapon design.
We're just fanwanking here but I say it might be because they're solemn instruments used only with regret.
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acc840 No.30282
>>30279
Startrek was written and developed by a utopian pacifist rather than a /k/ommando trying to picture what warfare could look like with the technologies in the setting.
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9481a6 No.30286
>>30282
Which is pretty funny that it has some really good tense naval action episodes. Some of which is considered quite realistic in grand scale of things in how space combat would be fought.
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acc840 No.30294
>>30286
>Star Trek
>Anywhere near what RL space combat might look like
I'm going to have to ask you which episodes you're talking about there.
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1c2b0b No.30344
>>30294
Did you ever watch TOS anon?
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acc840 No.30389
>>30344
>ENT
>TNG
>DS:9
>A few episodes of Voyager
Yeah, I've got to give you that one.
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c02d5a No.30674
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1734d7 No.30681
>>30389
Watch Balance of Terror anon. And the one with the Organians I forget which one that is but think Season 1 It's like WW2 Naval Combat in space.
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dfa79d No.30737
>>30681
>It's like WW2 Naval Combat in space.
Ah, fair enough, I thought that you were talking about an episode where they went out of their way to show what combat with that technology might look like in a zero g vacuum, my bad.
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ffea01 No.30802
>>29875
>space is very cold
Common Hollywood myth. Space isn't cold. Space is nothing. There is no air or anything else in space to come into contact with objects to change their temperature. In fact, in most cases space is too hot. Things that produce heat (read: literally everything that does things, because entropy) must have careful cooling methods as they naturally can only lose heat through radiation, not convection or conduction. Satellites and spacecraft have radiator panels, and astronauts have cooling suits that circulate water through tubes in their undergarments. If that system malfunctioned, you'd boil to death from your own body heat in minutes.
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