No.6494 [Last50 Posts]
So /ratanon/, what animes do you like? Which ones do you think are a good fit for the rationalist-adjacent community, and why?
Pic naturally related.
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No.6495
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No.6496
>>6494
Job Trumpnicht, Yang Bernie, and Reinhard von Putingramm.
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No.6497
>>6494
This thread took longer to appear than expected, and that show took even less time to appear in it than expected.
Given the small cross-section, this thread seems hard to post in anonymously. Fuck it.
Shin Sekai Yori is pretty cool sci-fi; shame about the budget. Eve no Jikan is just plain great. Mm, delicious antiCGfag tears. Serial Experiments Lain is overrated. Fine, but overrated.
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No.6498
Crest of the Stars/Banner of the Stars. If you liked Legend of the Galactic Heroes, it's the next best thing.
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No.6499
I like Makoto Shinkai's movies. They have pretty pictures of clouds in them.
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No.6500
Mostly the things I like that mark me as rationalist/adjacent and the things I like in the anime I rate most highly are orthogonal.
I mean, there's anime that I'd like to share with My Tribe (and bad anime that I will insist is good), but rationalist-specific recommendations tend towards "it's good, fun, smart, and it maybe vaguely touches on subjects relevant to LW/SSC interests (e.g. 'there's some transhumanism')", or just two or three of those. Doesn't seem specific enough to be naming any as material for rationalist/adjacents. Anyone ITT ready to make a case for why their show is "rationalist material" or whatever?
And then meanwhile the shows I actually really like just have cute girls being moe and ambiguously lesbian. Watch Kiniro Mosaic, it's good for what ails you.
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No.6501
>>6500
Kiniro Mosaic is racist as hell
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No.6502
>>6501
That's what makes it rationalist material.
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No.6503
>>6500
Haruhi had rationalist themes out the ass. Madoka was also 3rationalist5you
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No.6504
>>6501
I think at one point the white girl who has the same blonde hair blue eyes combo as any white person in anime says that Japanese people look the same to her? It's not exactly The Turner Diaries.
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No.6505
>>6494
Yang Wenli = Scott Alexander
Reinhard = Neoreactionary Ideals
The Free Planets Alliance = Liberal Democracy
Phezzan = The Jews/The 1%
Earth Cult = Social Justice
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No.6506
>>6505
Thislooks like it belongs on that "terrible political alignment charts" post I see around Tumblr.
Someone please complete it for all characters and organisations, I want maximum headfuck.
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No.6507
Ghost in the Shell.
It's all transhumanist and shit.
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No.6509
>>6500
I basically agree, there are some anime series that touch on LW-ish ideas or feelings, but that's not really key to why I like it.
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No.6510
What I'm curious about is the whole "Anime Nazi" thing (who variously may be literal Nazis or just some flavour of NRx/WN/alt-right). (NB afaik most anime fans aren't conservative and most right-winger aren't anime fans, but there seems to be more overlap than you'd naively expect).
On a superficial level, anime tends to be quite "degenerate", so you wouldn't think it would appeal to social conservatives. On the other hand, I think there's a deeper vein of Japanese social conservatism running underneath the T&A. Sure, there's boob grabbing, homosexuals actual or implied, etc. But the yuri is usually either left implied or portrayed as perverted, girls tend to show an exaggerated degree of modesty (which the show is still letting the audience see them), etc.
Anime is also mostly portraying a racially and culturally homogeneous society.
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No.6511
>>6510
OTOH it could also just be a historical contingency of 4chan starting as an anime forum and the anonymity being suitable for the alt-right, but I feel like there's probably more to it than that.
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No.6512
>>6510
A lot of anime is the opposite of degeneracy at a non-superficial level.
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No.6513
>>6511
Indeed, the people hanging out on 2ch are also stereotypically awkward anime otaku, as well as nazis, and I don't think 2ch was an anime thing to begin with?
I think this is a demographic thing: much anime is marketed to the NEET crowd, who are feeling generally disaffected with their life. ("single childless men who masturbate to anime"). Lonely single young men is also exactly the demographic who join extreme political movements, become terrorists or rebels or suicide bombers, etc.
Meanwhile, give them a job, a wife, and a few kids, and they will start voting for centrist candidates. And probably lose interest in the loli fanservice shows.
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No.6514
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No.6515
>>6513
>>6514
I think there's something to both these aspects (obviously the image is rather one-sided).
PS what show's that "typical anime heroine" from
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No.6516
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No.6517
>>6516
The pictured videogame girl more or less *is* a bitch princess from hell, though. And a strong woman. Terrifyingly strong.
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No.6518
>>6517
And I can kiss her cute ass.
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No.6519
>>6517
that's not canon. play the games you filthy secondary
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No.6520
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No.6521
>>6510
>On a superficial level, anime tends to be quite "degenerate", so you wouldn't think it would appeal to social conservatives. On the other hand, I think there's a deeper vein of Japanese social conservatism running underneath the T&A
Some anime definitely have traditional values, for example:
>Planetes
Exploring space is for men, waifus should stay home and faithfully wait 10 years for their husbands to come back from space exploration
>Persona 4
You may think you want to choose your own life but really you should just take over your parent's job
>Welcome to the NHK
The only cure for hikikomori is taking over your parent's job
>Psycho Pass
a dictatorship of cyborg psychopaths is still better than letting filthy immigrants steal our superoats.
>Death Note
someone acting as judge and jury and handing out death sentences for minor crimes is actually not that bad as a form of society, the only real objection we have is that it's against the rules.
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No.6522
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No.6523
>>6521
There are a lot of anime with anti-civilization themes where the protagonists are affiliated with terrorist revolutionary organizations. Code Geass you could forgive as just a power struggle within the monarchy, but in Shimoneta to Iu Gainen ga Sonzai Shinai Taikutsu na Sekai the protagonists were literally rebels for the cause of sexual degeneracy.
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No.6524
>>6523
On the other hand the show's main argument for it is "censorship backfires and makes degeneracy worse"
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No.6525
>>6523
I'm watching Shimoneta now based on your "recommendation". As a sexual degenerate, I find it very amusing.
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No.6526
Jesus fuck you fucking plebs. "No Game No Life" literally featured Bayesian reasoning from ep1.
lrn2bayes, faggots
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No.6528
>>6526
reasoning is not "Bayesian" just because it mentions a probability, scrub
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No.6529
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No.6530
Here's a good article on reaction and anime (though he has a somewhat incorrect view of Utena from not having finished it yet): https://antidem.wordpress.com/2014/09/19/on-homosexuality-and-uranus/
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No.6531
>>6530
I'm bisexual and I dream of the day people once again understand the point that post is presenting, however…
Everybody lost their minds! Which is understandable and not entirely the fault of the left like the author says. His vision of deviancy as taboo and something to be done in private is perfect but that's not how it worked for a lot of people, like Turing.
The "right" overreacts with appalling results as much as the left does, christianity is far from having a healthy relationship with sexuality, not only when it comes to deviancy, they also get modesty wrong (Sinfully wrong!) and many more things.
The second you start castrating homosexuals, being disquieted by human nudity or just rejecting pleasure and sensuality as something essentially bad, you are as stupid as the faggots trying to "get married", the trannies asking for special pronouns and all that crowd.
The East (Indian tradition, for example) should serve as our inspiration, not the things that led us to this sad situation in the first place.
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No.6532
http://forward.com/opinion/national/342905/unmasking-the-anti-semitic-meme-of-asuka/
> I didn’t find much — but I did find something. On a reddit-like thread from January, 2016, I found a different image of Asuka-as-Trump as well as one post saying “If elected, Trump will bomb the shit out of SELEE [sic] and take their oil.? While this would seem to align SEELE with Arab states rather than Jews, if one takes the conspiratorial worldview that, in fact, the great conspiracy (Jewish, UN, Masonic, whatever) controls everything, then of course they also orchestrate the world’s wars over scarce resources. SEELE is as much behind Saudi Arabia and Iran as it is behind Israel.
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No.6533
>>6501
Thanks for the rec.
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No.6534
i don't know but i like Code Geass
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No.6535
>>6530
https://antidem.wordpress.com/2014/03/26/tiger-bunny-trash-bin/
Based on this article this guy is pretty fucking ignorant. The homosexuality in anime like Tiger and Bunny has nothing to do with leftism.
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No.6536
Wait, no, I just realised what anime is *the best fit* for the rationalist-adjacent community:
http://myanimelist.net/anime/8426/Hourou_Musuko
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No.6537
>>6530
Is this paragraph a Freudian slip revealing too much about his ideal society?
>To mix fictional metaphors a bit, I am reminded of the Borg from the Star Trek franchise. In one episode of, I believe, The Next Generation, several members of the crew find that they can, if they are discreet and quiet, move unmolested through a Borg ship, though they are in plain view of numerous Borg drones. The Borg, it turns out, are interested in assimilation at a civilizational level, not an individual level. Thus, if an individual, or even a very small group, moves through their ship and seems to present no threat, they are ignored. Below a certain level of prominence, they are simply not worth doing anything about.
>>6535
>The homosexuality in anime like Tiger and Bunny has nothing to do with leftism.
Homosexuality is only linked to leftism through Westernization anyway. The entire premise that homosexuality = antitraditionalism is predicated on the idea that all traditions are broadly similar to the Western Christian one.
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No.6538
>>6537
Why are neoreactionaries so stupid in general though?
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No.6539
>>6536
More like http://myanimelist.net/anime/13141/Shibainuko-san amirite?
>>6494
Puella Magi Madoka Magica deals with themes like rationality, wishes, p-zombies, utility, and hope. That's what we're here for, right?
Gwern seems really into NGE.
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No.6540
>>6539
>Gwern seems really into NGE.
All my respect for him just vanished.
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No.6541
>>6540
>not liking Evangelion
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No.6542
>>6540
Don't let the tang wet you on the way out, normie scum.
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No.6543
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No.6544
>>6543
A really straightforwards story (including EoE) about growing up and learning to live with other people is bad because some people hyped it as being some kind of super 2deep4u weed lmao show?
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No.6545
>>6538
Right wingers are always stupid, and I say that as a non-leftist. The problem is that some inconvenient facts have fallen into the possession of such a group of dunces, simply because they've been discarded.
It's weird how the smartest group falls prey to the equality myth. Moldbug was a lot closer to the truth than most of those that came after him, since he's entirely comfortable with the idea of making Obama CEO of America. Literally the only thing wrong with liberals is that they refuse to be the honest and open natural aristocracy they could and should be.
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No.6546
>>6545
Depends on whether you consider "right-winger" to be "conservative" or "doesn't give a fuck about the poor", there are plenty of smart people in the latter category.
Of course, thanks to the magic of memes, right winger nowadays means "anyone who disagrees with any aspect of American east coast progressive culture".
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No.6547
>>6540
>>6541
>>6538
>>6542
There's plenty of other places for this kind of thing (ie content-free sneering at anyone with a different opinion, serious or not). I'd hoped that rational-chan would be a little more thoughtful…
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No.6548
>>6547
>chans
>rational
>rationalists
>rational
Topkek, as they say.
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No.6549
>>6548
I don't see why this little one can't be. It's not actually mandatory to copy the posting style of /b/ (or /a/ for that matter).
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No.6550
>>6547
I'm just here to shitpost to be honest. Looking at all the crap being posted here so is everyone else.
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No.6551
>>6545
Their entire framework depends on Christian ideas about fundamental human equality, they can't discard it and keep the rest.
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No.10548
>>6510
https://humaniterations.net/2017/05/23/authoritarians-and-ideology-of-love/
I don't care enough about the question to read this article critically enough to be able to tell you whether it satisfactorally answers that question, but I can tell you that it contains some truly sumptuous Three Pepper Hot Fire Discourse and, as such, I recommend it pretty hard
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No.10550
>>10548
>For decades radical politics was almost exclusively the domain of anarchists and other explicit anti-authoritarians. Sure there were neonazi gangs on the streets of many cities and the occasional Trotskyist or Maoist on the edges of the activist scene, but anti-authoritarianism was for all intents and purposes hegemonic.
This doesn't ring true. Radicals' revealed preference for making their values law is as old as radicalism. How is that anti-authoritarian?
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No.10551
>>10550
Progressives calling their authoritarianism anti-authoritarian is as old as "progress",
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No.10553
>>10548
>The lunkheads, the privileged brutes who can barely remember what was stolen from them, rarely rise as high as the true ideologues of love. The fratboy is not a true believer, the nerdy girly boy is. The fratboy will pillage, but the nerdy girly boy will kill millions in service to his religion. Every moment carrying the raw tension that this might be the last chance to win.
>The fratboy chortles with delight at anything that gets things back to the simplistic formula he knows, that removes the obstacles of those feminists and weird kids. He wears his MAGA cap like a party hat. But the nerdy girly boy wears it like a talisman, a crucifix, a holy pact.
There's a Chad vs Virgin meme in here somewhere.
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No.10555
>>10553
Only if it's Chad Nerdy Girly Boy and Virgin Fratboy
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No.10556
>>6498
Someone convince me the franchise isn't just the LN writer wanking off his own personal brand of space elves, because I saw the wiki once and the Abh sound like fuckin' Chakats
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No.10557
You're really just asking for recommendations.
Gankutsuou is good and contains rat-adjacent levels of traps and gay. Funimation has the dub free on youtube but you miss out on Nakata Jouji if you take that route so don't do it.
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No.10559
>>10557
>ever watching anything dubbed
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No.10560
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No.10567
It's not rationalist, but I'm really enjoying Made in Abyss.
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No.10568
>>10567
For non-rationalist recs, other top picks this season are Gamers! and Tsurezure Children.
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No.10570
>>10557
Not really, I made the thread for general anime discussion. I've already seen all the good animes.
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No.10572
>>10570
>I've already seen all the good animes.
Then it's time to stop.
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No.10573
Hunter X is the objectively best anime
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No.10574
>>10570
Actually no you haven't because your taste is shit
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No.13019
>>10553
>the nerdy girly boy will kill millions in service to his religion
Hot.
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No.13020
>>6551
most of those ideas about liberty, egalitarianism, etc. come from the enlightenment, which was a mistake
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No.13021
Isekai Maou to Shoukan Shoujo no Dorei Majutsu, which just wrapped up, seems like a VERY good fit for the rat(-adjacent) community right now, if you get my meaning.
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No.13033
>>10559
>watching undubbed Cowboy Bebop, Big O, Fullmetal Alchemist…
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No.13034
>>13033
Joke's on you, I did actually watch dubbed Cowboy Bebop, because the torrent was the dual audio and it defaulted to English.
I endured 12 entire seconds of dialogue because I'd heard the Cowboy Bebop dub was really good. I'm not going to make that mistake again when I watch Big O.
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No.13035
>>13033
I have recently realized that I simply accepted the default opinion about Cowboy Bebop's Japanese voice acting, which is strange because I don't like dubs. Cowboy Bebop just has a different mood in Japanese. Spike is not quite the same person. He isn't as perky. However, that does not make the Japanese voice acting worse.
Do Fullmetal Alchemist and Big O have famously good dubs like Bebop?
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No.13050
>>13033
Bebop's dub is watchable. It's not good. I don't know how anyone can endure Faye's English voice for more than 30 seconds.
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No.13060
>>13050
I think people call it good because they only care about Spike's sexy voice, maybe Jet's.
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No.13062
>>13035
A rule I follow is to default to the language the characters should be speaking in-story.
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No.13088
>>13062
So you watch Big O and Fullmetal Alchemist in English, Attack on Titan in German, and Cowboy Bebop in Chinese?
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No.13093
>>13088
…Is Chinese canon for Cowboy Bebop? I thought it was explicitly English. Is there a Chinese dub?
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No.14300
Do you watch virtual youtubers, ratanon? They are the latest anime-adjacent fad.
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No.14349
Fate/Zero's main plotline is an argument against utilitarianism in favor of something like virtue ethics.
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No.14350
>>14349
I have never heard anything about Fate that didn't confuse me
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No.14351
>>14349
Each of Fate/stay night's three routes is about letting go of utilitarianism (under different circumstances). What is actually pretty clever is that in one of the routes characters who bonded over utilitarianism abandon it for the sake of each other. It sort of makes you wish it happened more often in real life.
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No.14362
>>14349
No it isn't, dude just gets visions of how the local Monkey's Paw magic item is going to use his utilitarianism to justify killing everyone when he makes his wish, and that plus having to murder his waifu (again) mind-breaks him and turns him into a virtue ethicist. No actual argument against utilitarianism, just a bunch of fucked up shit happens.
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No.14378
>>14362
Every real argument against utilitarianism is going to take a form that utilitarian true believers refuse to recognize as an argument.
Following utilitarianism broke him long before he got to the grail. It was just the idea of the grail that kept him going.
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No.14428
>>14378
Literally the same thing as woo-ists saying that skepticism makes astrology or psychic powers or whatever not work.
At what point would him switching to Kantianism or whatever make the events of Fate/Zero all sunshine and daisies?
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No.14437
>>14350
The thing to understand about Fate is that there's not anything to understand, it's pure chuunibyou: Rule of Cool crossbred with fractally complex power-levels/world-building. It's like Warhammer 40k or other nerd universes: it hacks your systemizing, but there's never an end to it, there's always another unit or character or secret.
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No.14440
>>14428
It doesn't make the challenges of life go away. But pic related wouldn't happen.
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No.14441
>>14440
Yeah, so an Airbus full of ghouls touches down in JFK. You think when he goes in to extract Natalia from the ensuing clusterfuck and watches tourists get eaten alive while knowing "I could have prevented this", that's going to be psychologically healing?
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No.14483
I really enjoyed Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou. It's serene.
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