/ratanon/ - Rationalists Anonymous

>>10982

>Stalin and Beria were Georgians. Yezhov was a Russian. Dzerzhinsky was a Pole. Max Weber wasn't a communist. Nor was he Jewish.

>Please check the picture.

>There are real Jews there but also many non-Jews.

Thank you for the correction.

Did you notice that Scott posted a generally anodyne post immediately after this one? You weren't supposed to. The bland diatribe on New Athiesm is just a smokescreen for the Kolmogorov post.

>>10985

He has to in order to detract the irrational mob.

Currently autists are moving towards HBD and NRx because it is the Blue Tribe that acts irrationally in a way that bothers most secular autists.

>>10986

That's a bad way to pick opinions, in case you weren't aware. Avoid tribal thinking, avoid picking opinions just because people you don't like disagree with them. Remember Niven's law: "There is no cause so right that one cannot find a fool following it.".

You keep dividing the world into "rational" and "irrational" with yourself on the "rational" side while gleefully following and promoting antipatterns.

>>10987

I don't pick my opinions along tribal lines. In fact most autists enjoy picking and choosing good parts of every ideology we know about.

Almost all major cultures have an autism-friendly subculture. This applies to the alt-right as well. For example autists aren't likely to be interested in joining skinheads. However HBD and some sects of NRx are attractive to autists.

Here is why:

On the problem of HBD what we autists really care about is the usual autistic concern, namely whether it is factually accurate. We hate the liberal establishment on this issue not because the liberal view is necessarily factually inaccurate but because liberals use morality to shut HBD down instead of facts and science to argue with it. From an autistic point of view when you have a point and can use reason to defend your case you don't use morality to shut people down. The very action of appealing to morality, values, tradition etc in an intellectual debate signals that you don't have a lot of intellectual confidence in your position. This is very suspicious from an autistic point of view. Hence we autists will be more and more likely to support HBD unless the moral censorship of it stops.

On the issue of NRx it is another ideology that completely goes against the neurotypical norm. Here are several reasons why we autists are attracted to at least some sects of NRx:

1. We autists are really tired of neurotypical unreason (or neurotypical subtlety and non-literal speech we interpret as unreason) which can be called autistic fatigue. Democracy means rule of the crowd aka neurotypicals. Neurotypicals appear irrational and unpredictable to us. Hence we don't want neurotypical rule. We autists will never be satisfied with majority rule because the majority is always neurotypical. We don't really like kings and queens either because they are also likely to be neurotypical. It's really just a "one unpredictable NT tyrant vs an unpredictable NT mob" thing. Neither is good and both are frightening.

2.It is unpopular. Due to autistic fatigue mentioned above the more neurotypicals emotionally bash something the more we like it because we want to rebel against neurotypicals.

3.It is antifeminist. Autistic guys don't get mates in the modern feminist society. Hence some of us who aren't asexual advocate for a more provider-friendly society to get some chicks.

4.For religious autists some believe that in order to establish religious rule they have to abolish democracy or the less devoted people will vote fundamentalists out.

>>10987

May I ask what are the antipatterns I promote? Really thanks because I do want to know my own irrationality so that it can be cured.

One key reason why I might have incorrectly declared a large part of humanity to be irrational is that I still don't have good understanding of neurotypicality. Autistic communication is analogous to text files while neurotypical communication is analogous to PDF files. In a world of PDFs it is really hard for someone who have no access to PDF reader but only a pdf2txt converter to understand others. In fact sometimes PDFs look like nonsense to me.

Neurotypicals are very confusing to me.

nice troll OP. The imageboard cap in the top right is obvious sarcasm, probably mocking someone making the same kind of claims as you are. also with my top-notch photoshop detection skills I'm pretty sure that the quote at the bottom has been doctored - the change of colour, font and font size is a bit of a giveaway, sorry.

>>10988

HBD is factually correct, too bad that the racists who were already racists before finding SOMEthing that they think justifies their racism discovered it and are using it to justify their racism instead of understanding that genehacking means that this justification for their racism will disappear at the speed of deployment of the free genehacking clinics + demographic replacement

NRX : "hey let's be super tribalist as fuck and adopt the most authoritarian militant ideology that's entirely about getting a Supreme Leader to optimize for xenociding every single other tribe, as long as we're the last tribe left standing what could possibly go wrong, eh?"

For the more specific points:

1. remove democracy, replace with p2p contractualism

2. it's unpopular and will stay unpoplar because universal culture is best culture

3. argument from my enemy X therefore Y.

4. religious autists : lrn2atheism, religion is bad

>>11020

>genehacking means that this justification for their racism will disappear at the speed of deployment of the free genehacking clinics + demographic replacement

Clearly this anon is posting from an alternate dimension, because in this one Westerners are deathly afraid of anything related to genetics. We're scared of GMO tomatoes ffs, let alone genetic modification of humans.

Meanwhile in China BGI and the government are all-in…and if you think the Chinese are going to use genehacking to achieve the progressive post-racial utopia, you are sorely mistaken.

Also democracies go to war more than monarchies. Even a cursory look at the data would prevent you from saying stupid shit like "getting a Supreme Leader to optimize for xenociding every single other tribe".

>>10973

Don't punish nonpunishers.

>>11020

Since HBD is factually correct or at least the default/null hypothesis disbelieving in HBD is:

1.Irrational

and

2.Anti-epistemology-inducing.

I have already observed intelligent Blue Tribe liberals drinking the woo of anti-epistemology to justify anti-HBD.

Any factually inaccurate statement you deliberately believe in can induce anti-epistemology which is why cultural bullshit is so dangerous.

>>11020

Least convenient possible world: What if we're in the Great Stagnation, and genehacking will never actually get good? What's the "correct" view on race politics then?

(relevancy to non-hypothetical scenarios: most normies think that kind of transhumanism is actually pure sci-fi shit so it's not a hypothetical for them)

>>11024

We don't even need a Least Convenient Possible World. In this world which races will benefit from transhumanism the most? Will this make HBD disappear? No. Will this make HBD even more significant? Yes.

>>11021

> Also democracies go to war more than monarchies. Even a cursory look at the data would prevent you from saying stupid shit like "getting a Supreme Leader to optimize for xenociding every single other tribe".

"getting a Supreme Leader to optimize for xenociding every single other tribe" is what the NRX ideology is all about. The idiotic line you just spouted poves that you're either too retarded to have parsed the one about p2p contractualism, or too dishonest to address it instead of defending your evil pet ideology.

>>11023

1. I'm too autistic to care for anti-epistemological tribal woo.

2. There seems to be this view, in both of the tribes, that "if there are races that are actually objectively statistically* worse at whatever, that means that their members must be treated like shit". Which reads to me as "I WANT TO BE EVIL TO PEOPLE AND WILL TAKE ANY FUCKING EXCUSE I CAN FIND MWAHAHAHAHA"

*: inb4 "but but people can't comprehend that not everyone under the CURVE is living right under the median LINE" : YES THAT IS A YUGE PART OF THE PROBLEM

>>11024

> Least convenient possible world: What if we're in the Great Stagnation, and genehacking will never actually get good? What's the "correct" view on race politics then?

we're not. http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/21/promising-the-moon/

>>11021

> Clearly this anon is posting from an alternate dimension, because in this one Westerners are deathly afraid of anything related to genetics. We're scared of GMO tomatoes ffs, let alone genetic modification of humans.

> Meanwhile in China BGI and the government are all-in…and if you think the Chinese are going to use genehacking to achieve the progressive post-racial utopia, you are sorely mistaken.

>>11024

> (relevancy to non-hypothetical scenarios: most normies think that kind of transhumanism is actually pure sci-fi shit so it's not a hypothetical for them)

Those who won't get genehacked will be the roadkill of history, China and the clinical tourists of genehacking going there will goto space and Win The Future

… for what it'll be worth anyway, who cares lol, we'll all be dead or frozen at that time, "but but descendants" yeah that's the "who cares lol" part, the only thing that matters in the world is my (illusionary) subjective continuity so *shrug*

>>11029

Humanity is facing an existential crisis and only a few who get on the Ark of Transhumanism will survive if any will indeed survive.

I assume that you are white (or Jewish) or Northeast Asian or high caste Indian or in some other group with some advantage. So we should try our best to make sure that we don't get fucked. As for blacks etc if they will ever unfuck themselves they will unfuck themselves. If they won't then they are fucked forever for those who aren't fucked are still almost fucked and hence won't have time to save them. That's it. The universe is a cruel place. Whoever has what it takes to live does live, be it human, animal, AI or alien.

Good luck and hope we will be among the survivors.

>>11029

>"getting a Supreme Leader to optimize for xenociding every single other tribe" is what the NRX ideology is all about.

Do you think Bush would invade Iraq if he was paying out of his own pocket?

>>11020

>NRX : "hey let's be super tribalist as fuck and adopt the most authoritarian militant ideology that's entirely about getting a Supreme Leader to optimize for xenociding every single other tribe, as long as we're the last tribe left standing what could possibly go wrong, eh?"

You seem to have mistaken The Turner Diaries for NRx. Moldbug is concerned with how to create the conditions for contractualism in a world beyond the reach of God. You should read his Open Letter, specifically https://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/05/ol5-shortest-way-to-world-peace.html and on, but https://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/12/why-i-am-not-libertarian.html is also good and self-contained.

>>11029

The whole point of "least convenient possible world" is to sidestep any debate about whether the facts conveniently make the actual point of the hypothetical irrelevant.

Doing that debate anyway, and doing so by linking to a post by the guy who coined the term… is the quality of "rationalism" I expect from you, HFARationalist. Maybe you should staple your identity to a subculture that actually matches your intellectual caliber, like "gamer"?

>>11033

Hey I'm not >>11029 .

I'm

>>10979

>>10982

>>10986

>>10988

>>10989

>>11023

>>11027

>>11030

I'm not that person who seems to be a liberal. On the other hand I'm an HBDer who at least like some (secular) aspects of NRx.

>>11033

I post here a lot so it should not be hard to find me. :-)

Does >>11029 even sound like me in terms of beliefs and style? Nope.

What's my response to "muh racism"? The universe is a harsh place and those who do not survive die. Racism is just a part of the environment and whoever can not survive despite it loses. No one cares. Emulate the Jews and live.

BTW I don't believe in democracy. The world should be ruled by STEM nerds and rationalists enforced by AI and robots while seducers should have no say in how the world is run.

>>11036

>>11037

>might makes right there is no "should" muh moralfag

>no wait, seducers have a say in how the world is run noooooooooo it SHOULD NOT be like this

YES the nigger over at >>11029 sounds like you:

>I'm too autistic to care for anti-epistemological tribal woo.

>too dishonest to address it instead of defending your evil pet ideology.

>Those who won't get genehacked will be the roadkill of history

>the only thing that matters in the world is my (illusionary) subjective continuity so *shrug*

in the sense that you are a pair of autists signalling hardheadedness by pretending that you're above morality while letting it slip that you're not above it whenever* either of you, for example, call stuff "evil".

* e.g. in this thread for the liberal autist, and in >>10828 for HFARationalist

>Every human is an island. Any entity that attempts to absorb the islands into something else is evil.

>>11039

lolwut? i'm >>11029 and i'm not HFAtard tyvm

>>11039

He is indeed not me. I actually believe in Ashkenazi Jewish Supremacism which is a correct statement about the current world. This is a Shibboleth that can be used to identify me. Many people here support or are at least fine with White Nationalism. However very few are into the Jewish far right. I'm an exception. If you find someone who really likes Ashkenazis, hates morality, does not hate White Nationalism, like Northeast Asia and Slavs and do NOT defend blacks then it is probably me.

>>11040

Why do you hate me? Because I have no compassion for blacks?

Sorry. I don't hate them but they are the only ones who can save themselves. If they don't unfuck themselves on time then they are just fucked. There was a time when Germans were oppressed by Rome. There was a time when Mongols and later Tatars fucked Russia. There was a time when Poles were oppressed by Russia and Germany. There was a time when China and Japan were fucked. There was a time when Greece was ruled by Ottomans. There was a time when Jews were murdered and their property was confiscated. However all of them managed to unfuck themselves which is why their inhabitants will be represented in future space humans.

As for blacks they need to unfuck themselves now. I have compassion for the strong who is temporarily poor, disabled (because we will be able to cure disability in the future) or messed up. On the other hand I have no compassion for the weak who have lost their hope and pride. Even at an average IQ of 85 New World Blacks should be judged according to the standards of other people with comparable IQs. Iranians came to my mind. Do NWBs perform remotely as well as Iranians or even Qataris? No. They mostly perform at an IQ level of 70 or below. So it's not really a genetic problem here. Instead they need to and have the obligation to unfuck themselves. They have no excuses.

>>11040

So if I understand things correctly, that's two counts of you calling things evil and zero for HFAR, rather than one and one. Okay, that weakens my point some but you two still sound similar as hell. However, from now on I will endeavor to keep the differences in mind. I appreciate the list of further clarifications in >>11041.

>>11043

Sorry but it is actually 1:1. I'm indeed >>10828

Further Shibboleths:

1.I know some Hebrew words despite not being Jewish.

2.I really hate human sexuality and seducers/chads.

3.I really hate families.

4.I support legalization of prostitution.

5.I hate drugs.

6.I do use vulgarity in a really informal setting due to 8chan. However in general I enjoy being formal and polite.

7.I support Autistic/Nerd/STEM Pride World Wide.

>>11043

Look at the speech patterns of >>11040 and >>11029 . It is certainly not me. I tend to be too formal to post something like that because I enjoy being hostile to many aspects of the popular culture.

If you want to ask me which songs I enjoy I would say fascist marching songs and Jewish and Christian religious songs despite the fact that I'm an agnostic. I have almost no knowledge of pop music or movies.

So much for anonymity.

It's not a coincidence that social justice is primarily female, or that rationalism is primarily male.

The early 20th century antifeminists warned us that women were irrational and emotional. As feminism and social justice get stronger, social justice norms gradually overtake rationality norms.

The sickness of feminine thinking has infected even the once-hallowed halls of Science, making certain conclusions unthinkable - not on the strength of evidence, but rather of politics. It doesn't matter what the data say, if your thesis is deemed to be "sexist" or "racist" or "problematic" or whatever the latest euphemism is for doubleplusungood.

>>11052

Yes. Feminity has its purposes but so does masculinity.

One of my views may not be popular but I will voice it anyway. (Biblical) Christianity is a sissy religion. It is not really feminine in the sense of being women-oriented nor is it gay. However it is probably best described as a religion of sissy eunuchs with the only male its deity. All authoritarian entities tend to make their men somewhat like slaves or eunuchs but Christianity is pretty extreme about that.

SJWs won't ever reach their goal. SJW sissiness is even worse than Christian sissiness and we will witness their epic failure.

Humanity will enter a new stage of Social Darwinism after the SJW bust. With both Christian sentimentalism and liberal crybabies out of the way an unprecedented age of science, reason and lack of excessive empathy will come.

>>11053

t. Nietzsche edited by his sister

>>11054

Nietzsche was still good though. Down with slave morality!

I love this wording.

>(warning: this study was done by Jean Rushton, who is most famous for studies claiming that between-race differences are genetic. You may wish to use this information when considering how much to trust his work).

http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/03/21/if-opposites-attract-why-is-my-sister-so-pretty/

>>11436

Is that a literal quote?

>>11436

Big if true.

>>11438

Ozy uses gender-neutral pronouns, as you well know. And that's an uncharitable paraphrasing of what they said, while drunk, in an irreverent social setting.

>>11441

So he did say it :^)

then how come they can make hiphop ?

>>11436

Really? I thought ozy was incapable of saying something sensible. Looks like I was wrong.

>>11447

Nice jewess.

>>11447

I'm really sad she had to jump ship. Out of all the alt right thots she had the most pleasant to look at face.

>>11436

wtf I love Ozy now

>>11515

This post of mine >>11449 is on that person's blog. I am rationalist famous.

>>11516

I found a cool trick where you can make a Tumblr account and say things to rationalists and sometimes they'll say things back