/mu/ - Music

Listening to this currently, pretty chaotic and overwhelming

I found this album awhile ago.

The singing is absolute shite but the music itself is decent.

Anyone know any other metal bands that have improvised or free-form parts like Pyrrhon?

Thanks Razorfist

Are Liturgy, by /metal/ standards, bad?

Yes i like Aesthethica.

>>79841

EMBRYOOOOOOOOO

I had to check for the third time that I wasn't asleep as I was reading Brendon Small's twitter. I just rewatched Metalocalypse, and loved it and how metal, manly, brutal and funny it was. And I'm reading Brendon's twitter and he's 100% SJW, it's not like he's subtle, his twitter contains a ton of Trump bashing and #I'mWithHer.

What the god damn fuck? If a death metal comedy writer is a fucking sjw then I'm done, this might just be an alternative universe.

>>79841

Liturgy are bad by any standards.

>>80107

Why did you tell us? It's better not to know such sad shit.

>>80107

Rich celebrities somehow all want to act like poor niggas in the ghetto. We're in the timeline when rich people support left-wing and poor whites support the right.

Does everyone listen to drone and death here?

Post 8/10+ metal albums

Recently started listening to brutal death metal, this is my favourite album so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgfa5UlZAL8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-bNa5LrCPs

>>80152

Sorry anon… I know I would've been happier too if I didn't knew.

>>80153

I just expected different things from a death metal guy who made a show about guys being brutal and awesome, and made some pretty manly metal songs. When I read, "I'm obviously with her guys, if you don't like that then free to unfollow," I just "What the fuck"ed. Makes no sense.

Now, I won't start hating metalocalypse or his music, especially since I watched the opera like 10 times, but it's just disappointing and it will probably mean that his future work will be shit.

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>>80107

Is it even surprising at this point?

You know he woudn't have gotten the show were he not in that crowd for starters.

>>80850

From my personal experience death metal crowd is the most likely to be vegetarian too.

>>80869

That's uh… bullshit. Form my personal experience, that's not the case.

Fav 2017 albums so far?

>>80880

>>80835

Try these albums if you like sci-fi horror themes.

https://youtu.be/60O4O0Milgc

https://youtu.be/XsGgmwAzEy0

>>79656

Try Sumac and Old Man Gloom.

What One Becomes and The Ape Of God II are particularly great releases that utilize free form passages to crushing effect.

Yes, I suck Aaron Turner's cock.

You may have already heard of these records, but give Scorn by Primitive Man as well as Revengeance by Conan a few spins. Revengeance uses several sections of heavy feedback between riffs with the weight and pace of tectonic shifts, while Scorn features far more atonality, experimental/minimalist guitar work and free ambience.

>>80880

For me i'd say Artificial Brain's new album and Trumpeting Ecstasy.

Since there is already a metal thread.

Metallica ain't got shit on Ensiferum. Anyone know any other good folk metal?

>>81876

Folk in the way Ensiferum is folk? Brymir.

>>81047

This is great. Now, quick, someone ruin it for me by telling me how the band members are all bernie bros.

>>82043

Well read the lyrics and the ideas behind them a bit and it's pretty clear it's all hating on Christianity.

Really fucking retarded considering that the Irish enthusiastically adopted Christianity on their own and that there was never ever any persecution of pagans going on there whatsoever. But nobody gives a fuck, muh druids hurr durr.

>>82045

Standard fare edgy (safe) metal lyrics then. Doesn't really ruin it. I'd have to stop listening to most metal if I were to cut out bands critical of the most popular religion among whites. Christianity is questionable in it's various forms, anyway. I certainly can't count on a Christian not being a cucked faggot by virtue of the fact that he's a Christian. Same goes for Pagans. But when someone says "I'm a feminist", or supports communism in any way, I know I'm dealing with an unthinking, real life NPC.

I'm dreading finding out this band takes immigrant cock up the ass and begs for more, 'cause their albums sound great. Judging by their appearance and nationality it's almost ithout question, though.

>>82055

I find it normal and historically accurate when, say, Finns do it (who got crusade'd by Swedes), but for Celts, anything about muh baganism is roleplaying no better than Wicca bullshit.

>>80850

I had the same experience when I found out about Fever Ray.

>>82055

I've always wondered what a christian metal band might sound like tbh

>>82311

Antestor is bretty gud imo.

>>82312

Holy shit this is pretty good, thanks for the recommendation anon

>>82312

I've listened to their first album soon after it came out and I still need to see them live. Had the chance I think three times so far but never ended up going.

What's everyone's favourite albums from last year? Mine's vid related

>>82518

>>>/4chan/

>>>/reddit/

/metal/gen isn't as bad as most of the other generals on cuck/mu/, but they're still cancerous

>>82518

Are you aware that a lot of people on 4/mu/ like a lot of those albums and that they mix them in with other albums that none of them like just to make people asshurt?

>>82546

That fucking idiot doesn't even play and knows nothing about music!!! 4chan is full of underage children.

>>82539

>>82545

>>82546

>>82558

I warned you about the image being shitstorm-inducing, but I didn't expect so much salt so quick

I didn't make this chart, just showing it to y'all

>>82576

Why do you think any of us want to hear about 4chan? Most of us left that website nearly 3 years ago holy shit it's been nearly 3 years. Great way to derail the thread I guess.

>>82578

last time I checked, they were doing "post spongebob qoutes to albums" threads.

Anyone knows anything on this list?

https://daily.bandcamp.com/2016/10/27/new-true-metal-power-metal-bands-list/

Haven't heard of any of those before (I wasn't really paying attention to metal lately much tbh), and I don't feel like sifting through garbage too much

>>82312

>numale buttmetal

>>82518

>the sword

3/10 made me reply

I want to get into black metal.

Should I start with second wave (Burzum, Gorgoroth, Immortal, Emperor, etc)?

>>82621

Idk. I started with symphoblack (Dimmu Borgir etc) and post-black (WITTR, Agalloch).

>>82621

I'd say start with the first wave (Venom, Hellhammer/Celtic Frost, pre-AO Sodom) first then go second wave

What the fuck is this. It's their best song and they completely ruined it by changing one of the guitars to only emit an earsplitting screech. I can almost not keep from busting from laughing just at the thought of some guy sitting there intermittently making that seemingly at random.

>>81876

If you like Ensiferum you're basically guaranteed to like Wintersun. I also like Korpiklaani but they kind of get shit on for some reason. I dunno, a lot of the bands I like get shit on so I look at what the top rated bands are and they all sound like pop music. Even the top rated black metal sounds like fucking pop.

>>82621

Symphonic Black Metal is the best starting point if you want to get into Black Metal. Just jumping right into the deep end may not yield great results. You have to warm up to it. Same thing goes for Death Metal, and various other """""extreme""""" genres of metal. You gotta start small before you bust into the heavier shit.

>>82518

>Slow Deep and Hard

>nu-male metal

What. Peter Steele even confirmed that record was basically a Carnivore album with TON's name on it.

>>81876

Equilibrium's first couple of albums were pretty fun. Now they have a jew in the band and make anti german music.

>>82621

I started with more melodic bands, it's catchy and not as harsh on the ears as if you were to jump straight into the real raw stuff like Jewicide.

As for the topic of the thread, I've been listening to this.

With ARF's new thread in mind, post your favorite grind recordings

>>83273

>>83268

>Karp Self Titled LP

jesus christ, what hidden gem did you just unearth?

Anyone like Windir?

>>83303

>fag nig

I used to listen to Vreid but for some reason never picked up Windir. Guess it will be now.

>>82518

>Filosofem

>Murmuüre

switch for Deathspell Omega, and Gevurah

>>79608

How does /metal/ generally feel about reunion albums/tours etc?

>>83084

Why would you want to listen to this boring shit in the first place, though?

Literally just noises and stupid autists growling.

>>83611

>it's just a bunch of white noise

>I can't understand the lyrics

>where's the drop

>my feet hurt

Symphonic black metal is objectively a shitty genre though

>>83612

Symphonic metal was a mistake

Is anyone else bored with 99% of the metal that comes out these days?

>>83660

tbh I mostly find myself listening ti and looking up 80s/90s metal records. This isn't to sound like a redditfag, but most metal records that come out nowadays isn't all that intriguing; maybe 25%

>>83660

Yes, I started dropping it years ago.

>>83612

>Objectively a shitty genre

>Objectively

There's that word again…

>>83679

What are you implying? Symphonic metal is objectively a shitty genre. It's factual that it's a shitty genre. Logic and reason dictate that all symphonic metal is shitty.

>>83681

Hmm, well explain yourself. Why do you believe so?

In any case, embed is my fav symphoblack record.

>>83688

I believe so in the same way that I believe in science. It's just factual. It's all just natural processes and shit.

>>83709

Don't you try to dictate my shitposts. Also have you seen the state of music threads on /b/? I'm glad most of them don't seem to come here.

>>83714

>same way that I believe in science. It's just factual.

Very well put… because science itself in its fundament doesn't work with facts. The whole point of science is wanting to come up with a system that lets us build logicomathematical models of real world phenomena, that give correct predictions, despite us being unaware of the whole truth about the physical world. And that is the true meaning of the term "scientific theory".

>>83716

Very well put… because symphonic metal itself in its fundament doesn't work with ears. The whole point of symphonic metal is wanting to come up with a system that lets us build lower quality models of music that isn't shit, that are made of notes and rhythms, despite being really, really shitty. And that is the true meaning of the term "symphonic metal".

>>83717

The fact that it's usually done by incompetent talentless hacks who don't know how layering needs to be done doesn't make it inherently shitty anymore than one might argue that metal itself is always shitty due to the fact that it builds upon pop music song structure, and as we know pop music is shit.

>>83732

>>83733

Okay, look. The first post I made, I felt like it was pretty fucking obvious that I was being sarcastic. I was even making fun of someone for making fun of a genre. Then this one massive autist comes along who thinks I'm being 100% serious and starts a genuine conversation with me about it. If other people are joining in and I'm somehow the butt of the joke, I'm just going to go ahead and stop.

>>83740

>he doesn't like it when he gets shitposted back at

heh

>>82518

I know a faggot that listens to 99% of these albums and looks like a stereotypical hipstercuck with thick rimmed glasses and flannel shirt and studies (((humanities and social sciences))).

>>83744

That must have been a pretty unique thread then, because not one time have I seen a music thread on /b/ that wasn't just stuff like Eminem and Dragonforce.

>>83778

The first good and actual metal album in this whole thread.

>>83754

Guarantee you then if he's listened to Slow Deep and Hard that he must've been triggered into a heart attack when listening to lyrics about raping women with a jack hammer and calling out niggers for leeching off welfare.

>>83740

>waaaah stop being mean to me i was only sarcastically shit posting

Go ahead and stop off at >>>/cuckchan/ nigger

I'm probably late as fuck to Mistur, but I discovered them just recently and I must share.

Black Metal:

- М8Л8ТХ [M8L8TH]: Russian/Ukrainian Black Metal with a distinct folksy RAC influence. Their latest album has a wonderful blend of clean and harsh vocals.

- Nachtgeblüt: Argentinian Black Metal/Neoclassical crossover project of Eviigne. Previous albums had some classical pieces metallicized, but "Dying Echos of a Past Forlorn" highlights Eviigne's talents as a musician.

- Campo de Mayo: Another project of Eviigne. The music here is much harsher and more direct with fiercely anti-communist lyrics and songs glorifying the regime of Jorge Rafael Videla, infamous for putting communist dissidents on death flights.

- Kristallnacht: Their entire discography on one album. Raw French Black Metal with plenty of harsh tremolo picked lines. Pretty standard.

- Dub Buk: Highly folksy Ukrainian Black Metal with foot-stomping riffs, gang shouts and flutes.

- Grand Belial's Key: A US NS Black Metal classic. Not only one of the most intentionally hilarious Black Metal bands, but also one of the most intentionally hilarious NS Black Metal bands. Anti-Judeo-Christian lyrics with plenty of potshots at Jews and Jesus.

- Fanisk: Another US NS Black Metal classic. Epic keyboard-driven passages and walls of tremolo craft a fantastic atmosphere transporting you to somewhere beyond space and time.

- Absurd: All their classic tunes rerecorded for a new generation. Those who found their earlier work childish, raw and amateurish will appreciate the dedication from the new band to polish the old tunes into something quite powerful.

- Der Stürmer: Harsh Greek NS Black Metal with members active in Golden Dawn. Plenty of fast, furious, tremolo-picked power chords and feral shouts.

- Veles: Polish NS Black Metal classic.

- Graveland: Another Polish NS Black Metal classic. Slow, epic passages crafting an atmosphere of Viking warriors charging into battle with lyrics influenced by Ron McVan

- Темнозорь [Temnozor]: Russian Folk/Black Metal crossover. Pagan lyrics and epic passages with clean and harsh vocals.

- Pantheon: USNSBM concept album. Much of their discography sucks, but they struck gold once with this concept album.

- Spear of Longinus: Australian NS Black Metal with a distinct old school influence. Hellhammer and Celtic Frost fans will enjoy this. Loads of lyrics of Nazi mysticism and Hinduism.

- Genocide: Thrashy Chilean Black Metal.

- Sombre Chemin: French Black Metal with an RAC undercurrent. Imagine early Absurd with Burzum-like atmosphere.

- Totenburg: Triumphant, but fierce German Black Metal that packs quite a punch. Like later Absurd with more aggression and thrashiness.

- Peste Noire: National Anarchist Black Metal with a very faint folksy influence. Plenty of feral vocals and blast beats with tremolo picked lines from hell.

- Aryan Blood: German Black Metal with a distinct influence from old school Heavy Metal. Worth it for "To Build an Empire" alone.

- Mjölnir: Unique German Black Metal with some melodic and symphonic influences altogether crafting a distinct atmosphere. Think old Lucifugum mixed in with Bathory, Enslaved, and Nokturnal Mortum.

- Naastrand: what happens when traditional French folk songs discover Black Metal. Very unique and quite powerful.

- Wolfnacht: Personally, "Night of the Werewolf" is the best thing they've done. Everything else is rather mediocre Darkthrone worship, but the debut has some Absurd influences.

- Thunderbolt: The Polish lovechild of Emperor and Dissection. The atmospheric interludes are implemented nicely, rather than feeling superfluous. In a word, tasteful.

- Bannerwar: To Honour Fatherland has a bright tone elevated by the constant sheen of the guitar melodies, the symphonic regalia of the pianos and keyboards, and the bloodied rasp of its front man. Energetic anthems bearing a semblance to Emperor's In the Nightside Eclipse or Dimmu Borgir's Enthroned Darkness Triumphant, though not strikingly so. Don't expect much RAC influences. Even their cover of Blue Eyed Devil's "Eternal Fight" is given a pretty grim spin

I'm ashamed to say that I didn't know Kansas until a few days ago (yeah, not really metal, I know).

>>84121

>natsoc

>uses NSA/Windows

I need to take some time to properly listen to Bal-Sagoth again.

Has anything good come out this year?

>>82518

god this chart is gayer than the albums themselves

>>84334

The Ruins of Beverast's new album is fucking great, just like all of his previous albums.

>>83660

yeah, but I'm also getting older so that's a factor too. I used to listen to metal obsessively all throughout my late teens and 20s, now I'm 31 and mostly listen to synthwave, darkwave, dark electro, ambient techno, etc. i.e. mostly electronic music. I still listen to metal, but very little of it is new.

>>84121

my nigga

Check out Ordensburg - Legenden des Krieges and also Sieg Oder Tod - Die Hoffnung Stirbt Zuletzt. You will like them.

>>84334

I plan on listening to Prong's new album, after I listen to the last one that only came put a year ago.

>>84334

I plan on listening to Prong's new album, after I listen to the last one that only came put a year ago.

>>79608

good

>>79613

utter bullshit fuck you for making me listen to this bland amateur noodling with incompetent gay singing

>>79648

I sort of like the vocals, shit's decent for this style. You heard Methdrinker? You might like.

>>79841

troll/10

>>80121

unbearable

>>80208

how did I not know this? Excellent. Superb vocals.

>>81047

Takes its time, admirable. Perhaps a bit too much riff repetition; dramatic sense is there though. Probably would not listen again but I can see how some would.

>>81883

>>81876

I hate this shit

>>82313

troll/10

>>83303

ok, would probably have to investigate other albums

>>83689

heard before; a very unique album with infectious harmonies but ultimately gay

>>83778

10/10 legend status obviously. I hope you've heard the demo because it's sick. Also check out Threnodist, pre-Infester, if you haven't already.

>>83786

essential

>>83956

better than the intro portended; structurally a little boring

>>84104

>>84121

Fanisk is dope, so is Nachtgeblut

>>84420

For some reason never checked this guy's shit out; it sounds cluttered. layering techniques reminiscent of Aevangelist. Some good moments.

>>84449

derivative bullshit grow a brain

I listened to this today.

dumping a few

lo-fi traditional

heavy/speed with punk flavor

nwobhm, very angel witchy

black metal

last one. black/heavy. have fun

i love bathory

>>79608

I just discovered In Flames not too long ago, and normally I prefer clean vocals with my metal that I can sing along to if it's a good song, but for these guys I'll make an exception because their guitar work is just so fucking beautiful. the solo for December Flower is a beautiful masterpiece and moonshield in its entirety is fucking amazing. honestly the album The Jester Race as a whole is a magnum opus of melodic death metal and needs to be heard as a whole to get the full effect of what In Flames was aiming for with this album.

>>84800

if you want something like faster thrash with incomprehensible lyrics, clean vocals, and high pitched autistic screeching you want power metal dubsman. something like Helloween, Dragonforce, Rhapsody of fire, Gamma ray, Iced Earth, Hammerfall, etc.

>>84800

What bands did you listen to? If you want to start with the classic stuff try the earlier albums of Darkthrone, Burzum, Emperor, Immortal, Satyricon, Mayhem. If you want more of that you can find hundreds of bands which imitated their style without any change or improvements at all but there are also many bands that took it into their own direction. Definitely listen to Thorns' self-titled release, it's different from the other Norwegian bands since it has some Industrial elements but it's an excellent album.

Another unique band from Norway was Windir, they had a distinct melodic sound with folk and electronic elements but without sounding cheesy like typical folk metal. Plenty of bands have tried to carry on that style, some of them with former members of Windir. Some examples would be Mistur, Cor Scorpii or Sigtyr.

My personal favorite is the German scene, most notably bands like Lunar Aurora, Nocte Obducta (until 2006) and Nagelfar, which aren't quite as low-fi and harsh but often have more refined songwriting, quite varied vocals and really well-written lyrics (though they are mostly in German so you probably won't care). Embed related is one of the greatest black metal albums ever made in my opinion, fairly experimental but very coherent and atmospheric.

The Japanese band Sigh is worth listening to if you want something really weird and avant-garde. There's also a fairly big scene in Eastern Europe with bands like Graveland, Nokturnal Mortum or Mgla but I never really got into it that much.

>>84800

>tfw i know what that is now

Oh what have I become. I have become that I hate.

>>84800

look into cosmic thrash instead (voivod as the band who started it all, then vektor, black fast, teleport, vexovoid, there should be more but not stuff I'm aware of enough)

Christian Metal for the Discriminating Ear:

https://rateyourmusic.com/list/asadv/christian_metal_for_the_discriminating_ear/

Armia - Triodante

Barren Cross - Rock for the King, Atomic Arena, State of Control

Believer - Sanity Obscure, Believer, Dimensions

The Crucified - The Pillars of Humanity

Guardian - First Watch

Incubus/Opprobrium - Serpent Temptation, Beyond the Unknown

Last Descendants - One Nation Under God

Messiah - Final Warning

Mortification - Mortification, Scrolls of the Megilloth

Paramæcium - Exhumed of the Earth

Sacred Warrior - Master's Command, Wicked Generation

Saint - Too Late for Living, Saint Collection 1984-1999 [2CD]

Saviour Machine - Saviour Machine

Scarlet Rayne - Theatre Humanitarian

Seventh Angel - Lament for the Weary

Stryper - The Yellow and Black Attack!, Soldiers Under Command, To Hell With the Devil

Tourniquet - Stop the Bleeding, Psycho Surgery

Trouble - Psalm 9, The Skull, Run to the Light, Trouble

Tyrant - Legions of the Dead, Too Late to Pray

Warlord - And the Cannons of Destruction Have Begun…

What are some of the best technical bass heavy metal albums? This is the reason I still listen to metal.

>>84947

>>84948

>>84949

>>84825

>no King's X or Galactic Cowboys

Trash list

>>84965

King's X is Hard Rock.

Galactic Cowboys have stayed off my radar, so I can't say.

Still, anyone who says this isn't the single greatest Christian Metal album of all time needs to get the fuck out.

While we're at it, here's the whole album.

found them a while back, this is one of my favorite songs.

Dodecahedron has been on the top of my playlist lately, you can't go wrong with song titles such as TETRAHEDRON - The Culling of the Unwanted from the Earth

Their first album will melt your face right off.

Post recent finds, boyos

>>84777

>Never heard of At The Gates, quite literally the Godfathers of the Goteborg Melodic Death Metal scene.

>>85010

>>85052

>>85053

whoops

>>84471

10/10 album, I'm surprised this one isn't more well known, leave it to thrash fags to stick to Megadeth and Exodus records and never expand off that.

>>84517

Really digging this, has a early 80's Swedish flavor to it, like Heavy Load and Gotham City.

>>84518

Idk what is it about modern Venom-worship bands that I could never get into. A lot of the atmosphere and feel of older Venom-worship bands from the 80's came from the god awful shit production. Cleaning it up like this seems a little counterproductive imo.

>>84519

I'm also digging this but man, I feel the guitar is far too weak. Like it has the typical cranked JTM marshall sound but it sounds flaccid and sterile, like the warmth is somehow artificial. Could be just me though, I barely listen to anything outside the 80's in terms of trad metal.

Dropping some essential Death/Black

>>85071

There really isn't

Did anyone check out the new Pyrrhon album?

Could Discharge be considered metal?

>>85277

While taking parts of metal and essentially having a harsher and darker sound than regular punk, it's not enough to consider it metal per se. You could say the same about GBH, who shared certain stylistic elements with Discharge, it sounds metallic, but it isn't metal per se.

Eventually Bones from Discharge would form Broken Bones, which is a more full fledged crossover band, while Cal would take Discharge into terrible glam/hard rock territory.

>>85293

>bands that go to glam rock

I will never understand this.

>>85312

TSOL went the same route due to them being friends with G'n'R. Their output was mediocre though, not fullblown awful.

Can anyone recommend some good drone doom that Stephen O'Malley isn't involved in or related to at all? I like what he's done, I'm just trying to find other stuff.

>>85394

Bump

Criminally underrated.

>>85620

>>85619

IMO this is was one of the harder speed metal albums for me to get into, blame the excessive usage of major scale in most other speed metal.

Oh man that reminds me, Helstar's first album has godly guitar tone.

>>85624

Speaking of older speed metal bands…

>>85394

>>85586

One more bump

>>85647

Fuck man that album is wicked good. Legit best album of their later career, competes with Fire Down Under for best Riot album. You're gonna love vid related by the way, I dug it up a couple weeks ago from a comp, which in itself is really good, has some cuts by Num Skull and Necromancy though those are more Thrash than speed/power.

>>85617

Tony Martin era Sabbath is ridiculously underrated per se. Mostly cause retarded DUDEWEEDLMAO Ozzy fans that devour the entirety of Riding Easy's catalog hate it because it's "generic 80's heavy metal" and Dio era fans can't stop stroking Dio's dead cock enough to pay attention to these albums. Sad really.

>>85654

Drone/Doom ain't really my field and I assume most other anons aren't familiar with it. It should come as obvious but have you checked the related bands tab in metal-archives? Although it lists obvious bands it has one or two obscure picks.

I apologize if I can't be of more help.

>>84777

You might like embed related, Dark Tranquillity and Sentenced. Don't bother with any material past the first 2 or 3 albums as it's gay as shit. That goes for all the bands I mentioned and to In Flames as well

>>85693

>>84777

To add to this, if you ever wish to expand to Stockholm Death Metal, Dismember has quite a few melodic parts spaced between the brutality.

Time Heals Nothing off The God that Never Was also has this same kind of vibe.

Got banned on 4chan /meal/, so I came to shitpost here.

Have some goregrind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmC8lkC9Ok4

>>86161

>look at me guys, I was banned from 4chan, give me attention

>let me proceed to not have any idea how to embed a YouTube link

I was people were banned for this shit.

>>86161

Lurk more, newfag

is there good sludge metal

>>79608

This thread sucks and this board is dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlFn74ozzr4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r26exX3LVgY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdF5wwHvtgQ&t=83s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY7NKyMaxyU&list=PLfLIJHZOQ7o4ulsfmsyke4D7IKjfmskDw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFFvZ1w9dZg&list=PL3b2h3sJ1vT9RdH1PQrXYzQmRxdeuZy_e

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-hcspK5KM8&t

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWchevdSqp8&list=PLRUnDAdUaV_r9q-tdEy0jrTcPMWQ-1m_6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNJhrIATZ0M&t=1s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upv6_4WT6hY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpxnEbEYBw4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo9z_rwdmC8&t=17s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7TLXgf5OL0&list=PLFrLQACs8fdbaeIvdMBzUKDxenbFbgLrq

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0o3Qg_aerw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To2u9QFEq3g&list=PLWzURv0GXNEBZqaBFFNPQOWgvtOIIZcn_

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O5f8R6einw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rBbA1KGgic&list=PLgZh7bxJ5Z4-S2tUTwqPVSlzznau3yh2O

>>86521

>look at me I'm so much better than everyone else

>can't embed

Fuck offs

>>84128

How had you never heard Carry On Wayward Son

>>80107

"death metal"

>>84825

>no mention of azmaveth

You dissapoint me.

>>85306

I first heard about it in 2010-11 maybe, when devourment was getting big. It has changed little. It is basically Suffocation And Cryptopsy with breakdowns.

I have no clue WTF it really is. We just called it Brutal Death in 2002.

Metalcore fucked everything up.

>>86497

Sleep and Electric Wizard, maybe? EyeHateGod is always a classic.

I would say sunn 0))) but that is for the especially masochistic metalhead.

>>85306

>>85306

>Is this as close to meme metal as we're gonna get, lads?

>he doesn't know of Chainsaw Penis

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Chainsaw_Penis/3540355229

>>84825

Serpent Temptation, is actually really fucking good!

>>87788 (mightily checked)

Thank you for the effort.

>>87813

Thor's Hammer sucks. Also, that cover is retarded.

>>87788

>>87788

Cool chart, I am a massive fan of Fanisk, Graveland and Nokturnal Mortum among others, but this list could be expanded even further:

Absolutely Essential Masterpiece of Highest Caliber:

>ELDRIG: Everlasting War Divinity

High Quality Material

>BRANIKALD: Frost Vision

>KATAXU: Hunger of Elements

>MUNRUTHEL: Epoch of Aquarius

Meme Worthy Material

>ARYAN TERRORISM: War

>FINIST: Awakening

>WARHEAD: Aryan Nation's Rebirth

Material of which I am not personally a fan, but is notable/respectable in terms of influence and/or musicianship

>FULLMOON: United Aryan Evil

>GONTYNA KRY: Welowie

>SOLAR WISDOM: The Temple of Honour

Material I haven't listened to yet but seems notable enough to warrant inclusion

>AD HOMINEM: Planet ZOG - The End

>BENIGHTED LEAMS: Astral Tenebrion

>INFERNUM: Farewell

>THOR'S HAMMER: The Fate Worse Than Death

Real obvious stuff that I can only assume was excluded because the bands in question are too famous and/or not "explicit" enough in their lyrics/imagery

>BURZUM: Filosofem

>DRUDKH: Blood in Our Wells

>>84334

Nokturnal Mortum's Verity was pretty good even if somewhat of a disappointment compared to their previous God-tier material

>>87903

>Meme Worthy Material

>Aryan Terrorism

Aryan Terrorism are actually really good though

>>87903

I've been trying to keep things balanced because close to half the bands on the chart are Black Metal, so I didn't want one genre to be overrepresented. I will keep adding Black Metal bands, but not too many of them.

Finist is kind of silly, but I may add them just as the token NS Power Metal band. Personally, I would recommend "Sin miedo" by Estirpe Imperial.

I can't say I'm familiar with Eldrig, Kataxu, Munruthel, Warhead, Infernum, Benighted Leams or Solar Wisdom, so obviously, I've got some catching up to do.

Of course, I'll add "United Aryan Evil" in my next update since that's sorely missing.

I don't really like Thor's Hammer's material enough to add it to the chart, and the cover of "The Fate Worse Than Death" is painfully stupid.

Likewise, Aryan Terrorism sucks.

Burzum was never a political project, so including them wouldn't make sense. I always assumed Drudkh was another case of guilt-by-association since they never were expressly nationalistic to my knowledge.

As I understand it, Ad Hominem was just really edgy more so than NS by intent. The guy apparently denies being NS, so until I see some hard evidence this was a political project, Ad Hominem stays off the chart.

>>87903

Ad Hominem's newest album is actually pretty good too.

>>87910

oh dont get me wrong i do like them, but you can't deny stuff like "Crush the Lies" and "A National Socialistic Call" is the meme of the century [i meant n a good way like nsbm version of moonman]

>>87912

>I can't say I'm familiar with Eldrig, Kataxu, Munruthel, Warhead, Infernum, Benighted Leams or Solar Wisdom, so obviously, I've got some catching up to do.

Eldrig is the titular solo project of one half of Fanisk. I consider the work of both bands to quite possibly be the epitome of all Metal as a genre in terms of their artistic transcendence and could not recommend them enough.

Kataxu is another "epic cosmic" sounding band, one could kind of describe them as being like a somewhat sloppier/rawer attempt at doing what Fanisk do. Their Hunger of Elements album is the perfect example of a "flawed masterpiece"

Warhead is an RAC/BM side project with Varggoth of Nokturnal Mortm and one of the guys from Honor. Nothing exceptional by any means but enjoyable enough.

Munruthel is the solo project of Nokturnal Mortum's drummer. Quality stuff, if maybe a bit too "pretty" sounding for some people, and the best NM side-project IMO.

Infernum is a Graveland side project of Darken and Capricornus featuring lyrics from Vitholf of Fanisk. As I said I haven't listened to it yet, but with the people involved I'm sure it will be at the very least interesting.

Benighted Leams is Alex Kurtagic's band.

Solar Wisdom is another "epic" NSBM band, although kind of amateurish and not that impressive in execution compared to the actual greats of the genre, but decently respectable in concept enough to warrant inclusion

>Burzum was never a political project, so including them wouldn't make sense

Well I mean many stuff on stuff on that chart, like Nokturnal Mortum - Goat Horns for instance, don't have any "political" lyrics either. I mean like I said maybe Varg is way too obvious to be on the chart, but if nothing else he was the first person in the BM scene to explicitly endorse NS/far-right/traditionalist ideas, and one could maybe even argue that a lot of NSBM bands wouldn't have existed without Varg's indirect ideological influence.

>I always assumed Drudkh was another case of guilt-by-association since they never were expressly nationalistic to my knowledge.

"Ukrainian Insurgent Army" ? Nah, if anything it's the case of the ol' "Nah we are totally not political band" to get journalists to back-off/not hurt record sales, which almost every band with far-right beliefs does to some extent or another.

>As I understand it, Ad Hominem was just really edgy more so than NS by intent. The guy apparently denies being NS, so until I see some hard evidence this was a political project, Ad Hominem stays off the chart.

Like I said I'm not really that familiar with those guys, but just a cursory glance:

"Although Kaiser used NS-related content on Planet ZOG, he claims he never dealt with topics regarding the white Aryan race, but rather with elitist/individualistic matters"

Like I said before, it sounds like typical excuse everyone says. That sounds like Varg being like "I'm not a Nazi I'm an Odalist/Tribalist" or Darken being like "I'm not a Nazi I'm just proud of being white and think Hitler did nothing wrong or Varggoth being like "Slava we are total apolitical band not NSBM even though we're still openly friends with everyone in the scene and play shows for Pravy Sektor and haven't even specifically brought up and denouced are past involving among other things being in a band called AryanTerrorism instead we just wrote an extremely vague facebook in bad english and that somehow means we aren't right wing anymore lol" or Fanisk being like "We are not Nazis, for our ideology is beyond materialistic politics misundstood by plebian mortals, transcendental blah blah etc etc", which is all maybe technically true in some way but is really just PR in a (typically failed) attempt to avoid Antifa or whatever.

I mean even taking that quote at face value the Ad Hominem guy is saying "uh we don't believe in white supremacy or anything we just want to call out the elite jews running the world is all" lmao i mean "Planet Zog" really dude?

>>87940

Jesus Christ this is fucking eye cancer. Why the hell do you space shit like this? Sage for off-topic.

What do you think of Sabaton? I've heard they're great live.

https://youtu.be/Us2ylGAwBnk

>>87980

>Sadly, most WP Death Metal sucks mightily with the exception of Arghoslent and Excalibur's last two albums.

try antisemitex, they're better than a number of bands on your list.

>>87980

awesome man glad my recommendations were taken into consideration.

only other suggestion i would give would be to maybe, if it's not too difficult, maybe re-organize he chart? either alphabetical order by band name or organized by sub-genre or whatever to make it easier to read/look through as they seem to be in basically random order

>>87984

>better than a number of bands on your list

Seriously? That's a bold claim to make for an ostensibly "Black Metal" band that sounds like a generic phat chugz Groove band. That song specifically sounds like blackened Pantera. I know Antisemitex is popular, but really, they're hardly what I call good. Fuck, Fueled by Hate is better, and I don't rate them highly at all.

>>88003

That'll take some time since this wasn't exactly in order to begin with. I write the descriptions so anyone can decide what they can pick and choose according to their tastes. One of these days, I'll sort them by genre or perhaps chronologically, but for now, I'm just content to keep adding bands.

>>88008

They're not black metal you fucking faggot. Your list is shit and so are you because you're a faggot BM fan and most shit you list as "essential" is just another generic BM band. And then you ask why there are no good WP death metal bands. There are good WPDM bands but you won't like them because simply they're not black metal. So fuck you and your shitty list of gay BM bands, you make-up wearing faglord.

>>88025

There's a bit of a disconnect here. Metal-Archives calls them Death Metal, but the userbase of RYM deems them Black Metal. Puzzling. Perhaps I'll have to listen to them more to get a better grip.

Either way, that Antisemitex song isn't that good, and frankly, you're in no position to be indignant. Grand Belial's Key, Peste Noire, Fanisk, Fullmoon, Thunderbolt, Drudkh, Nokturnal Mortum and Spear of Longinus have all earned respect from metal subculture regardless of their politics.

You had racist bands in just about every Metal subgenre, but none of them played as instrumental a role in forging the genre like the prominent segments of the Second Wave. It's inevitable that Black Metal will be overrepresented since people with far-right ideas were producing albums at the very outset of the movement. Burzum was arguably the biggest influence considering the cult of Varg's personality, but Absurd played a similarly influential role. Eastern Europe went even further than their Western brethren.

On another note, this song absolutely slays.

>>88026

>metal-archives

>RYM

No wonder you're such a faggot.

I wanna like this album, I really do, but I cant help but see it as just another halfbaked OSDM retro act, only with a Carcass feel to it that makes it sound like General Surgery in their Left Hand Pathology era; hell, they even have the same Carcass, Xysma, Repulsion influences. I really this nostalgia pandering phase dies out soon.

>>88146

You'll have better luck searching between rac-forum.org and 88nsm.com

It'll be a project to upload every solitary album on various filesharing sites, but I can rank 25 of my personal favorites and you can decide from there:

1. Bound For Glory - The Fight Goes On (Hate Train Rolling, too)

2. Mudoven - Truth and Tragedy: Life in the Occupied Zone

3. The Raunchous Brothers - Hail Metal…Destroy Faggotry

4. Arghoslent - Incorrigible Bigotry (Galloping Through the Battle Ruins, too)

5. Kontingent 88 - Generations futures

6. Vaginal Jesus - Affirmative Apartheid

7. Spear of Longinus - Nazi Occult Metal (Black Sun Society, too)

8. Grand Belial's Key - Judeobeast Assassination (Mocking the Philanthropist, too)

9. Campo de Mayo - Campo de Mayo

10. Thunderbolt - Black Clouds Over Dark Majesty

11. Peste Noire - La Sanie des siècles - Panégyrique de la dégénérescence (all their albums, really, but start here)

12. Berserkr - Crush the Weak (Voice of Our Ancestors, too)

13. Estirpe Imperial - Una Grande Fuerte

14. Fortress - The Fires of Our Rage (Victory or Valhalla, too)

15. Excalibur - Apokalypsa (Thurisaz and The Water, the Soil & the Sand, too)

16. Frakass - Bouclier contre boucliers

17. Fanisk - Noontide

18. Buldok - Triumf

19. Absurd - Der fünfzehnjährige Krieg (Asgardsrei and Facta Loquuntur, of course)

20. Коррозия металла [Korrozia Metalla] - Russian Vodka

21. Коловрат [Kolovrat] - Правое Дело

22. Sunwheel - Industry of Death

23. Durandal - La Peste brune

24. Warlord - Ascension

25. Shutdown - Pray for War

>>88146

>>88149

Also, be sure to hit up Soulseek.

>>88150

>>88149

Thanks brother, means a lot. I'm off to download them over at filesloop

>>82559

I wouldn't mind a retard reviewing shit if he was at least consistent. He rails albums for doing something he praised another one for. He's an annoying layman.

Technically this is /metal/

Anyone off the top of their head know the title of the metal or near metal song that starts out with some arabian sounding women chanting before the song starts? It's often used as bumper music for the Alex Jones Show.

Pretty much only listen to goregrind, black metal (including NS stuff, bite me), 80s death/thrash and NWOBHM/power metal these days. If you're gonna be a whiny SJW stay out of the metal scene. Video related

https://youtu.be/CiSMwHvNlM4

>>88149

Underrated post

Recently I've been digging into my brain for all the somewhat obscure metal music I used to listen to ad nauseum during the early 2000's. This one popped into my head and made me smile.

who /warmetal/ here

>>88341

War Metal is for fucking wimps

Anal Nutsack

>>79613

It's like Angel by Massive Attack but an albumful, and better

>>88341

me

ROSS BAY CULT ETERNAL!!

>>88380

BLACK DEATH HOLOCAUST CANADIAN ROSS BAY ASSAULT METAL

>>88486

this was intended as a reply to>>88442

but whatever ive been on a real war metal binge as of the late

Is post-grindcore a thing?

>>88641

Yes. It's called "becoming an adult"

>>88656

>>88695

>burn

What? I asked if something existed or not. How is that a burn?

>>88710

Because grindcore is death metal for babies

t. grind fan

>>88715

Most of the real grindcore bands such as Blood, Napalm Death, Repulsion and Terrorizer died out in the early nineties and now we're only left with a bunch of leftist cucks playing nu metal that pretends to be grindcore in the vein of Nasum, Pig Destroyer, Rotten Sound etc.

>>88751

I was taking the piss mate, but yeah, a lot of nu-grind outside of old Dead Infection, LDOH or Pre-Deviant Regurgitate are basically crust punk or metalcore with a grind skin, especially the Relapse bands.

>leftist cucks

They were always leftist m8; Napalm, ENT and Carcass were involved in the lefty punk scene for a good while

>>88757

Napalm Death and Carcass shared half their members. And ENT, like ND and Cc, are Britbongs who indeed all came from the lefty punk scene.

These are the main bands that the (((media))) keeps telling us invented grindcore.

Wow I guess grindcore must have always been leftist! What a coincidence that the (((media))) who constantly namedrops the same few bands is also leftist. I guess without this support the entire grindcore scene consisting of only three bands would have never existed!

>>88770

Given that Repulsion's guitarist became a tranny, I'm certain they were lefties too. Remember that leftism was counter culture in the 80s, and all metal, punk, noise etc. is counter culture by it's nature

>>88778

>>88770

>>88757

>>88751

About the only non-leftist grindcore band was Vaginal Jesus, and quite frankly, they weren't purely grind. They're a mix of hardcore and death metal with underpinnings of grindcore. The most pure grind release of theirs was "Beat Rodney Down", and even that has plenty of hardcore elements.

>>88784

Dog bless Seth Putnam

>>88757

>>88751

>>88770

>>88778

>>88784

>>88793

Y'all forget about Meat Shits?

They were anti-leftist as fuck.

>>88861

why even bother? I came to the conclusion that these faggots don't deserve good metal a lot of posts ago. All they ever know is the big names and some random youtube shit and if you mention something outside of their narrow definitions then they won't even listen to it or have some retarded reply indicating they really know nothing about music.

Me the poster of

>>87984

>>88025

>>88027

>>88656 (heh)

>>88770

And sure I know the Meat Shits and considered mentioning them but like I said why bother? For every lefty grindcore band there are at least a dozen porngrind projects but they don't even know that. This thread is filled with poseurs who deserve to listen to shit bands and the internet was always bad for the underground scene so fuck them and fuck this thread and certainly fuck handfeeding a bunch of drooling retards.

>hurrr there isn't any racist death metal

>hurrr grindcore is an entirely leftwing genre

>hurrr black metal is the only racist metal

>hurrr black metal is the only true racist metal

and they learned all of this from metal-archives and rateyourmusic.com

What could I like if I like Ihsahn's solo work but emperor not so much?

>>88865

You're probably fucking gay then

>>88866

No you

>>88863

Most pornogrind sucks ass though, it's all the same oompa loompa bullshit

>>88870

You're right and should go listen to Brutal Truth instead.

>>88778

Dan Martinez was only a member for two years. "She" certainly wasn't around during the years "Horrified" was recorded. Fuck, Brutality had a tranny guitarist in the past named Larry Sapp (now Raine von Kiszka), but that still doesn't take away the quality of their demo years. If it's any consolation, "she" wasn't on "Screams of Anguish".

There are tons of non-political Grindcore that was around during the early days, although yes, left-wingers played a huge part forging the genre. Fuck, Meat Shits has been making music since the late '80s, and even after Robert Deathrage got doxxed by that cunt who ran some Metal magazine, he's still going strong.

I wouldn't get too worked up over leftists in Grindcore. In the end, it's just a creative arrangement of abstract sounds.

>>88863

What are your favorite Metal bands of all time?

>>88884

>bands

>not albums

I was respecting you until you said that. What fucking bands? By the time their fifth album is released they've usually turned to complete shit. There's tons of bands with good debut albums, some bands are good up til their third or fourth. But there are very few bands that have five albums I care about. And I can't think of any right now with more than five. I know you wanted to bait me with that question but here's your fucking answer: none. I listen to releases, not bands.

>>88897

Man, you're pissy.

Just name your fucking favorite albums, you little bitch.

>>88866

>>88865

update: I found something nice even without your help, fuck you buddy.

>>88861

I think I just found my go to fap album.

>>79608

And, to take a break from ideological music, here's one of the best albums I've heard in years.

These guys do Medieval Metal better than those kitschy German bands In Extremo or Subway to Sally. A masterpiece from start to finish.

>>88968

hey, I could swear I posted this album in the arf discord or at least played it in the arf cytube

What do you niggers think of Annihilator?

What do you think lads? That album art is fan-fucking-tastic and I'm really liking what I'm hearing. It's only 16 seconds but my hopes are pretty high, especially with Andy Sneap producing.

Posting more Windir.

>>84229

SUBLIME

>>89281

I would have liked them more if they had a real drummer

can anyone who fluently speaks German and/or familiar with Hitler's speeches be able to tell me what the samples at 7:12 and 1:01:25 of this album are saying. i've been listening to this for years but for some reason never tried to find out until now

How do you guys like this? I think it's pretty good for their first album. :^)

>>89352

hipster hype like deathspell omega

Metal Church was the bestest band of all tbh

I just found out Warrel Dane died on the 13th. He was my favorite vocalist, and Nevermore my favorite band about 10 years ago before they released "The Obsidian Conspiracy". I'd say I'm bummed out by Warrel's death, but Nevermore died with their last album, and so did Warrel's voice, so I've already accepted their time is up. Still I'm listening to all of Warrel's old stuff to remember him at his best.

Anyone have favorite songs from Warrel's past? Including Sanctuary era?

Nailbomb - Proud To Commit Commercial Suicide

>>87788

checked and hailed, thanks for the work anon

>>87813

lel been a while since I saw that

>>87912

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>>87980

>>88149

>>84423

>>84121

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>>87903

bm nuplebs please read only these posts

Hate Forest should probably be added to the infographic; did I miss it or something?

Posting more dope French NSBM

Does /metal/ stoner/doom?

usually what I put on when the dishwasher is not working

>>79861

I bet he shoves that up his ass during sex

>>86174

most people dislike goregrind here but its my bread and butter.

>>88971

after their second album they're not worth it

>>88954

shit man, I forgot about that guy. I think its a one man project. I think that guy from ANUS used to hype them.

>>89729

used to be a fan of that genre until it saturated my local music scene. and I hate stoners.

>metal thread

>>89293

7:12 and 1:01:25 are from this speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUPrjzRaj8c

1st one says:

"Man kann nicht dem untreu werden, was einem ganzen Leben Inhalt, Sinn und Zweck gegeben hat."

>One can not become unfaithful to what gave purpose to his whole exsitence

2nd one says:

"Und solange auch nur einer von uns atmen kann, wird er dieser Bewegung seine Kräfte leihen und für sie eintreten"

>As long as one of us is still breathing, he will lend our movement his power and support

God I love the Führer.

>>89783

thanks friend. hail victory

Rest in RIP, Fast Eddie Clarke.

>>84825

>no Antestor

pleb tbh

>>90217

see this

>>89756

>tfw this song and Carnivore's discography triggered a socialist activist group in the Netherlands and got Type O banned form playing in the country

>A war is raging that we don't understand

>And I doubt that we can

>There's no mistaking the mad sons of Islam

>As they spill blood on the sand

>A strange religion, that destroys through the Koran

>Freedom's lost in this land

>Hades or heaven. they're under it's command

>Whatever rights had a man

>We'll hear the bomb blasts round' the world

>With two world wars passed they want to start the third

>As they argue 'bout the planes they shot down

>And count the dead they have found

>An unholy war that's raising hell to the ground

This album rules

>>90242

>>90217

m8, have you even listened to Saviour Machine's first album? Do yourself a favor and check it out.

>>88897

Holy fucking shit dude

What a positively stellar album. Their influences are clear, but they have actually evolved their sound, even if by just a tad.

>>88897

>I know you wanted to bait me with that question but here's your fucking answer: none. I listen to releases, not bands.

.q

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>>90339

If you are a false, don't entry

nice >:]

>>90339

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>>90352

I really hope you're being ironic

god-tier

>>90355

The first 2 weren't ironic.

>>90348

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>>90361

As much as Nu-Metal is (rightly) slagged off, we can't ignore the trends leading to its creation. Nu-Metal stood at the vertex of Hip-Hop, Alternative Rock/Grunge, Industrial Rock, Funk Metal and Groove Metal, all of which were popular on MTV from the late '80s up until '94. Couple that with all those awful goatee'd Rap Rock bands that were building speed and you have the perfect storm.

The following bands were either directly responsible for its genesis or influential-but-not-necessarily-Nu-Metal: Pantera, Helmet, Prong, 24-7 Spyz, Living Colour, Fishbone, Deftones, Mordred, RATM, Infectious Grooves, Mr. Bungle, Faith No More, '90s Sepultura, Alice in Chains, Body Count, White Zombie, L.A.P.D., Korn, Biohazard, Ministry, Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson, Skinlab, Slipknot, Soulfly, Mushroomhead, One Minute Silence, Powerman 5000 and several others.

>>88897

Holy shit, fuck off back to deathmetal.org, you pretentious ANUSite.

>>90388

>Pantera, Helmet, Prong, 24-7 Spyz, Living Colour, Fishbone, Deftones, Mordred, RATM, Infectious Grooves, Mr. Bungle, Faith No More, '90s Sepultura, Alice in Chains, Body Count, White Zombie, L.A.P.D., Korn, Biohazard, Ministry, Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson, Skinlab, Slipknot, Soulfly, Mushroomhead, One Minute Silence, Powerman 5000 and several others.

All those bands fall into the Alternative Metal genre. Nu-metal was the end of that era. And then everything broke up into goth metal, emo and indie as smaller splinter groups. Until those trends died too. Now all new music is electronic except for the occasional "revival"

>>90409

Since we're going to split hairs over semantics, reread what I wrote.

>>90407

>Nu-Metal stood at the vertex of Hip-Hop, Alternative Rock/Grunge, Industrial Rock, Funk Metal and Groove Metal

Alternative Metal is Metal influenced by Alt-Rock. Ergo, a subcategory of Alt-Rock.

What's important is that most of those bands were influential to, but not necessarily Nu-Metal themselves. Mordred was a product Thrash bands experimenting with Funk as was Infectious Grooves, a side-project of Suicidal Tendencies. Faith No More was a straight up metallic Funk band until Mike Patton took vocal duties in 1989 and introduced his trademark weird sensibilities. Likewise, Mr. Bungle has all the hallmarks of Mike Patton's zaniness.

We can continue ad infinitum, but for brevity's sake…

Alternative Metal: Alice in Chains*, Deftones, (later) Faith No More

Avant-Garde: Mr. Bungle

Funk Metal: 24-7 Spyz, Living Colour, Mordred, Infectious Grooves, Fishbone, (early) Faith No More, L.A.P.D.

Groove Metal: Pantera, Helmet, Prong, Fear Factory, '90s Sepultura, White Zombie, (early) Skinlab

Rap Metal: Biohazard, Body Count, Rage Against the Machine

Industrial Rock/Metal: Marilyn Manson, Ministry, Nine Inch Nails

Nu-Metal proper: KoRn, (later) Skinlab, Slipknot, Soulfly, Mushroomhead, One Minute Silence, Powerman 5000

Headbanger's Ball aggressively marketed most of these bands with all those crappy music videos, which undoubtedly inspired many young minds to experiment with these sounds in their own creative way.

For the sake of argument, let's say 1994 was the dawn of Nu-Metal's creation. Just listen to KoRn's self-titled album from 1994 and you can clearly hear those styles blending into each other. The music has all the grooves of Pantera blended with some Hip-Hop basslines and downtuned slap bass of their previous incarnation L.A.P.D.

>>90426

>Alternative Metal is Metal influenced by Alt-Rock

Wrong. Fishbone predates REM's existence and back in 1979 Husker Du was still playing hardcore punk. Alternative metal pre-dates alternative rock. I'll add that Fishbone was an influence on the Red Hot Chili Peppers who in turn were an influence on Faith No More (particularly after Mike Patton joined) In fact Anthony Kiedis hates Mike Patton and thinks he ripped off his style. Look it up, they've hated each other ever since the late eighties. Now those bands really influenced each other.

Nirvana being friends with REM means nothing to the development of alternative metal. They were happy to make it seem REM were somehow mentors because Kurt's real mentor Buzz Osborne (who introduced Kurt and Krist to Dave Grohl and also was part of Kurt's original band) has been shitting on them ever since they got famous. And everybody knows Bleach is Nirvana trying to sound like the Melvins.

And all those shit bands you name fall under the Alternative Metal umbrella. Look it up. Funk metal is a subgenre of alternative metal. Industrial metal is a subgenre of alternative metal (and real industrial is shit like Throbbing Gristle, not "industrial metal without guitars") And thrash with funk influences is part of the thrash genre, don't get it mixed up.

And I'm straight up laughing at you calling Mr Bungle "avant-garde" just because they have some jazzy parts. It makes me think you never listened to actual avant-garde in your life. Mr Bungle is Mike Patton doing his best RHCP imitation and adding random weirdness and even more toilet humor than RHCP.

Here's a classic video for you of Mike Patton, Dave Lombardo and Buzz Osborne shitting on Anthony Kiedis after he got Faith No More booted off a festival where they were both supposed to play. Enjoy! But please stop making these lists of bands and which genre you think they are, nobody cares really. They're all alternative metal and most metalheads don't even like alternative metal Again if you know your history you'd know that Kurt calling metal racist and misogynistic was seen as betrayal because the metal scene originally not only influenced but also supported a lot of the alternative metal bands like Alice in Chains getting to tour with Metallica, and Soundgarden and Faith No More touring with Guns n Roses, this is what actually led to the rift between metal and "grunge" at the time. In the end it's all spoiled rockstars first trying to sound like each other and then pretending to be morally superior.

>>90440

Come to think of it Nirvana were to the Melvins like Sonic Youth were to Glenn Branca: more pop influences and willing to sign to a major label.

>>90440

>real industrial is shit like Throbbing Gristle, not "industrial metal without guitars"

That wasn't up for debate. It's pretty obvious that Industrial proper has absolutely nothing to do with Industrial Rock and Metal. About the only Metal band I can think of that was influenced by Industrial proper was Godflesh, who cited Whitehouse as an influence.

It's common knowledge that Grunge as a "subculture" was a reaction against AOR, Glam, Thrash and all other major label Rock'n'Roll bands. Kurt Cobain was tight with Kathleen Hanna and her Bikini Kill cunts. And yeah, Alice in Chains has far more in common with Pantera than Melvins or Soundgarden. It's not exactly a secret that Alice in Chains, much like Pantera, used to be a Glam band. Only after they recruited Jerry Cantrell did Alice in Chains become a "Grunge" band. Beyond that, they have nothing in common with Sub-Pop's catalog. Speaking of which, here's Layne Staley in concert with teased hair and skintight clothes.

>Alternative metal pre-dates alternative rock.

What active recording and touring Alt-Metal bands existed in the late '70s, early or mid '80s? Fishbone's early catalog was firmly rooted in Funk Rock, and their heavier sound didn't come until 1988. Likewise, Living Colour's "Vivid" dropped in 1988. I'd really love to hear this.

>>90451

>I think what separated nu-metal from their influences was a willingness to conform and the return to machismo thanks to the hiphop and hardcore influences.

I think this about nails it. Nu-Metal possessed much more machismo than Alt-Metal/Alt-Rock ever had (if they ever had in the first place) on account of their Hip-Hop influences. The Hip-Hop influences from all those Rap Metal and Rap Rock bands was the tipping point leading to the genesis of Nu-Metal.

>>90407

>ethos without ideology

I personally enjoy this as well. The difference between stuff like a Hill to Die Upon, My Dying Bride, Paramaecium, Extol, and maybe even Crypt Sermon or Jacob's Dream from Vengence Rising or Deliverance is big. I get they want to spread the Word but sometimes an evenhanded approach is a good change. Regardless, anyone can enjoy something Crimson Thorne or Incubus regardless of their lyrical themes.

>>84800

Dunno for the fast part but first wave black metal is what you're looking for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SgtScsVUg4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC6DvbEVHcI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0-knE7bSe0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plk2bK1-FLc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnqDI0X5N7o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_27DRSCB6M