No.596 [Last50 Posts]
>you will never keep Asriel as himself through sheer DETERMINATION
>you will never reunite him with his remarried parents
>you will never go to the surface as Frisk Dreemurr and have half the planet wondering whether to call you a prince or princess
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No.600
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No.613
Toby did his players a disservice, if he didn't want people rewriting his ending through fanfics and images he shouldn't have fucking gone "LOL NO YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY SAVE HIM TROLOLOLOL"
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No.617
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No.626
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No.628
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No.664
File: 1447883481466.png (Spoiler Image,40.85 KB,486x491,486:491,hey mom did I bring him ba….png)
Trigger Warning: horse-shaped goat
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No.772
How far would you go to SAVE him, /mtt/?
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No.773
Would you give up half your SOUL to save your goatbro, even if it turned you into a furry?
I would, but it wouldn't be my first choice
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No.785
>>773
I'd rather give all of it or find another way
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No.788
>>785
I like this solution the best
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11601057/1/Inseparable
>your goatbro can literally never leave you
>goatmom and goatdad are back together
>Donald Trump is president
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No.789
>>788
There's no way this won't end with either me or goatbro wearing a leash.
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No.792
>>789
>your goatbro will never tearfully hand you a collar and leash because he needs your presence to remain himself
>you will never put the collar around your own neck and hand him the end of the leash, promising him that it'll be all right
why even live
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No.811
>>792
that's not brotherly!
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No.979
Which goat do you prefer? Kid goat…
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No.980
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No.1059
>You will never grow up alongside your beloved goatbro
>The only warmth you can even give him is the knowledge that everyone will be happy without him
Its not fair, he is the only one that even needed saving ;~;
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No.1105
>>1059
That's not what happened, Chara possessed Toby into writing the ending wrong.
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No.1109
>>1059
That's what I felt too.
Then I decided that if I can't have my happy ending, and asriel can't get his happy ending, then nobody is going to get their fucking happy ending
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No.1110
>>1105
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
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No.1119
>>1110
You don't click on "SAVE" over and over again and not have him actually be saved unless the game's broken.
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No.1121
>you will never spend Thanksgiving with a family who actually cares about you
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No.1122
So… what exactly is stopping Asriel from keeping one of the human souls?
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No.1123
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No.1165
>>1123
>>1122
Okay wait, what I don't get are the following things:
1.
> monsters are made of very little mass, and it is magic that holds it together, until they die, the magic fails and they collapse into dust
> Asriel dies, his ashes serve as fertile ground for flowers
> flower emerges that, after DT injection, is convinced it is Asriel and has all his memories.
> unless a copy of the entirety of his memories is stored in each piece or 'molecule' of dust/ash, there must have been some sort of residue of his magic, or his soul, that simply osmosized into the flower
2.
> Flowey's attitude before true pacifist ending: Fuck it, kill everyone, Frisk, I don't feel anything seeing my parents die, might as well do it myself, it's meaningless either way, we can just reset in the worst case
> Flowey's attitude after pacifist ending: Player, please don't restart the game, I can't do this again (implying from an emotional standpoint) Flowey feels something and for some reason suddenly cares about monsters
> what happened during true pacifist ending: Flowey carried lots of souls in his body
Either when he restored the world, he restored his own soul and decided to become some sort of secret guardian of the monsters, or Flowey had some sort of miniscule fragment of Asriel's soul to begin with and it grew when he was surrounded by other souls.
Therefore why does he not:
> go on journey, relieving dying humans of their regrets and absorbing their souls for as long as he needs them in exchange
> keep traveling and doing this until his souls has regrown enough for Toriel and Asgore to start aging again
> send Frisk a letter, telling him that he's gonna have a little bro after all
> recreate his old body, set the human souls free and go back home as Asriel
> if the Dreemurrs aren't remarried by then, the catalyst for their divorce (Asriel's death) being undone will bring them back together again
The only other explanation I'd have as to why he doesn't do this, is that the knowledge of having killed his friends and family over and over and having brought as much suffering to them as he did, using his determination, would inflict such overwhelming emotional pain on him if he was capable of emotions, that he would rather feel nothing and remain a soulless flower for all eternity than to go through this again (as this is probably part of what happens in the end of his Delta Rune encounter).
If this is the case, then yes, the player did save him, but exactly that was the problem. He doesn't want to be saved. Getting saved means insufferable pain to him. He is truly pic related.
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No.1182
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Or Toby just ran out of ideas.
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No.1201
Reminder he isn't gone. Not completely. Not yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0dlm_p1ZxA
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No.1204
>>788
New chapter is up.
"Critical Race Theory for Grade Schoolers…"
"Well, yes, there's something on resource officers… and active shooter drills…" Toriel wasn't sure what the students were being drilled to actively shoot. "and bullying prevention…"
"She's just telling Dad how she's going to look for pictures of herself on Google."
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No.1252
>>613
Wait for hard mode to come out.
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No.1253
>>792
No, we both wear collars. And they're attached to each other.
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No.1349
normal mode is best endign
omega flowey is best final boss
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No.1356
non-emo teenage goat is best goat of all goats
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No.1357
>>1356
third is a shit fanfiction
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No.1431
pew pew take that friendship
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No.1778
I can understand Toby's burden as a creator; one doesn't choose to let a beloved character die unless it's absolutely impossible to avoid. It's never easy, and it always hurts. He had a good reason to do things the way he did.
Asriel is Undertale's version of the Kobiyashi Maru test. It's a no-win scenario. You are not meant to save Asriel, and in fact it is impossible under any circumstances (short of editing the game code, ie: cheating). You can't even save him by letting him beat you and thus take over the world, as it is literally impossible to lose against him.
"How we face death is at least as important as how we face life."
Concerning Asriel, the player is forced to face death in all its normality and inevitability and irreversibility. I can't say it's necessarily a sign of maturity, because everyone grieves differently, but eventually you have to move on and face the fact that he isn't coming back. He can't. Oh sure, you can try and ignore it, or get around it by latching onto non-canon fiction where you could save him, or where things went differently, or whatever, but the fact of reality is that he is dead. You can't stop it, you can't change it. The only thing you can do is honor his last wishes and cherish the life he had. Remember him as himself and forget the flower that's left in the ruins. Take care of his parents. Keep up the friendships you've built. Forge a new future for yourself. He can't hurt anymore, so try not to hurt, either.
Remember his smile, his warmth, his scent, the brightness and love in his eyes. If you keep those things inside of your heart, he'll never really be completely gone.
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No.1785
>>1778
>this "irreversible" shit
>in a game where the main character's power is reversing shit
sorry, but this fails on a great many levels, most notably you're right there and talking to him- the only reason that Frisk didn't immediately go, say, "HEY ALPHYS GET HERE NOW AND DO ANYTHING YOU CAN TO STABILIZE HIM" is because it's not part of the story.
Have some more goats.
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No.1788
>>1785
It's a lesson that while you can fix many things, eventually, you will find something you simply can't fix.
And then the only thing you can do, is let it go, and try to move on.
By trying to stop it, or save something that cannot, and should not be saved, you can then make a situation worse.
From there, things spiral out of control, until you're left with little to no options.
You can only do what you planned to do from the outset. Let it go, and move on. .
The above sums up the major theme of the game. Think about Flowey after you read this, and the pieces should fall into place.
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No.1795
>>1778
If Asriel doesn't live
nobody lives
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No.1797
>>1788
And again, it's fucking stupid, especially in context.
The only reason any of this works is that Frisk has to go through the motions, has to play along, and can't talk. Frisk can't just call up Alphys after a reset and go "Hey, Flowey is Asriel, and he can use everyone's souls to blast through the barrier, can you find a way to keep him not from turning back into a flower after he does that?"
But, because it's a game, the player simply lacks the agency to do things like that.
Imagine if you were trying to DM a fucking tabletop game of Undertale with a player who could rewind and do things as many times as he liked.
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No.1799
>>1797
You're assuming there IS a way to keep him as himself. You're assuming that Frisk hasn't actually TRIED in multiple resets already.
You're assuming that the being standing in front of you is actually Asriel, instead of some kind of echo laid upon a shell of dust and Determination, and that you aren't infringing upon what HE wants by keeping his soul (or whatever monsters have in lieu of a soul) from leaving the realm of the living as it is meant to.
Did Asriel ever once ask you to save him? Didn't he, in nicer words, tell you to fuck off and let him go in peace, to live your life and move on?? I think you're being selfish by going against this.
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No.1801
You're all missing what's right in front of you. Quoted from some other guy:
>If you want to change history that badly, the game effectively tells you what you need to do.
>SAVE and LOAD are only small aspects of DETERMINATION. If you have enough real DETERMINATION, you can reach in and alter reality on behalf of Frisk and Asriel.
>In my playthrough, Asriel did not tell Frisk that they need to be careful of the outside. Instead, he told Frisk that they had SAVEd his SOUL through pure DETERMINATION and that he would be visiting the surface with everyone else.
>How? The dialogue in data.win is in plaintext, and if you make sentences with the same length of the originals, you can change the dialogue as you like. That's how.
So there. The true power of determination is the ability to change the code of the game itself.
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No.1802
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>>1799
>You're assuming that Frisk hasn't actually TRIED in multiple resets already.
This is blatantly retarded. "You're assuming that something we never see happen hasn't happened"
>from leaving the realm of the living
Except he's not dead, he's Flowey.
>Did Asriel ever once ask you to save him? Didn't he, in nicer words, tell you to fuck off and let him go in peace, to live your life and move on?? I think you're being selfish by going against this.
He didn't ask you to try to save him while he was busy trying to kill you, either. But you did it anyway. Except you can't (without just tossing the story itself out) because doguniverse and emo.
>>1801
In the end, this. You can call it "cheating" if you want but in-universe the player is basically straight-up labeled a godlike, transdimensional force (Flowey comes straight out and says that you're the only one with the power to kill their happy ending). Change the game, change the story.
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No.1809
>>1801
You might as well go into every game you play and edit the files to allow an instant victory condition. Why even bother playing games, then? Just stamp your foot and proclaim "I win everything!!"
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No.1811
>>1121
Daddy issues leaking through
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No.1933
>>1809
Because other games don't recognize the power that the player holds over the world.
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No.1936
>>1797
>>1799
>>1801
You're all forgetting the fact that you AREN'T Frisk, I posted this in the /v/ thread but it's like the game called OFF.
I theorize Chara and Frisk are one in the same, Chara who become a flower like Flowey and eventually reincarnated their form when they got a push- the push being the player, Chara probably went postal on the humans in the village then went to the monsters, problem being; that's a long ass fall.
A fall so long they lost all their EXP, Sans even says something along the lines of "You're not completely innocent, but you kept a certain tenderness about you" in the true pacifist route.
In the Genocide route you give Chara enough power to complete their mission, it's why Frisk is a non element here, Frisk doesn't exist in a Genocide route because you didn't set the new vessel on that path, it's why at the end after beating Sans Chara stabs themself without your input, and addresses you as a good partner, Chara is now strong enough to go through the game without any LOVE and not become Frisk.
Fisk on the other hand becomes strong enough in a true pacifist ending, and names themself it's because they are now strong enough to control their own body, but leaves you in control.
It's why you can't die against Asriel; Frisk won't let it happen, I also think it's why you can't hurt any of the True Lab enemies.
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No.2447
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No.2509
Keep posting more cute gotes.
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No.2782
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No.3042
>>626
Who's the robot on the far left?
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No.3045
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No.3047
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No.3091
I wish DeviantArt didn't suck so much.
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No.3409
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No.3410
Artist is from Vietnam. Would we have gotten this if we didn't invade 40 years ago?
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No.3421
>>3410
Why didn't we take Asriel's hand to show Toriel and Asgore again?
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No.3439
>>3421
It'd turn to dust
also you really wanna show his parents his severed hand holy shit nigger
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No.3582
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No.3788
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No.4052
>>788
new chapter
>donald j trump k-12 school
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No.4056
>>4052
>"You have to name it after monsters" in chapter 3
>but the community gets called Newer Home
>it's the school that ends up being named after Trump
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No.4130
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No.4135
>>4130
The beach part is almost an exact replica of a Calvin and Hobbes strip.
But it's about 50,000 times more adorable than C&H, so I forgive it.
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No.4190
>>788
new chapter
>she was called a shill along with pictures of a smiling man with cold hands and an excellent sense of smell
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No.4217
>>4190
I laughed audibly when I read that.
now the wait for another chapter
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